[Gambas-user] A curious thing happens with translations.

[Martin]

/I'm not talking about how languages codes (fr_FR) are interpreted by 
the system, but by the Gambas interpreter./
 > Ok, I understand you point now.
/So you have "es_ES" and "es", but you have "fr" and not "fr_FR" in 
Gambas.//
//There is the "es_ES" / "es" distinction because some spanish user told 
me that the distinction must be made./
 > Ok, now is very clear. I will discus it in spanish forum.
/When the interpreter search for a translation, it tries the one 
specified by the system localization ("xx_YY"), and if it does not 
exist, it tries the more general "xx" one.//
/> Ok, I agree with this logic in general but in the particular case of 
the spanish language, it would only be necessary "es_XX.po" in the case 
of a very specific program in which, for example, legal terms or 
something like that are used. then for 95% of the programs it is enough 
with "es.po".

/This is why there is no "fr_FR" one in Gambas, because it would be the 
same as "fr".//
//The language you define in the project property dialog is the language 
you use to write your untranslated strings. It's by default the current 
language, but, of course, if you write your strings in English, you must 
put "English" there.//
/> I'm agree

/You said: "I prefer that by default the IDE generates files without 
localization because in the case of Spanish there are many variants.//
//Then if you want to create a specific localization you can do it 
manually."//
/

 > Yes, but, obligatorily, the interpreter creates a translation 
es_ES.po or the specific version of Spanish it finds in the localisation 
of the system, for example, es_PE.po, es_AR.po etc. This, in practice, 
would mean that there would be many repeated translations. Then knowing 
that there are 500 million native Spanish speakers in the world, the 
default translation should be common Spanish and not a variant of 
Spanish specific to a region or country. This is a statistical issue.
So to conclude. As you explained before that someone from Spain 
requested that by default it should be the particular option (local) 
rather than the general one (common), I would like to leave the 
reflection in the air anyway.
As global Spanish is much more standard than French for example, don't 
you think that the logical default translation option should be common 
Spanish?

I'm not talking about removing the localised Spanish translation 
options, but rather that these should be the options to be added manually.

1st  > Spanish(Common)
2nd > Spanish(Localized)

Regards.

Martín.

El 4/5/21 a las 17:10, Benoît Minisini escribió:
> Le 04/05/2021 à 16:58, Martin a écrit :
>> Hello, first of all, I tell you that I am very happy with Gambas3 
>> IDE. I give my opinion as a developer and user, I try to be 
>> constructive and it is not my intention to criticize, I just try that 
>> some small details change to make the user experience better. I am 
>> replying in bold so you don't confuse the paragraphs.
>> ----------
>
> You don't get the point, but it's my fault, I was not clear in my answer.
>
> I'm not talking about how languages codes (fr_FR) are interpreted by 
> the system, but by the Gambas interpreter.
>
> So you have "es_ES" and "es", but you have "fr" and not "fr_FR" in 
> Gambas.
>
> There is the "es_ES" / "es" distinction because some spanish user told 
> me that the distinction must be made.
>
> When the interpreter search for a translation, it tries the one 
> specified by the system localization ("xx_YY"), and if it does not 
> exist, it tries the more general "xx" one.
>
> This is why there is no "fr_FR" one in Gambas, because it would be the 
> same as "fr".
>
> The language you define in the project property dialog is the language 
> you use to write your untranslated strings. It's by default the 
> current language, but, of course, if you write your strings in 
> English, you must put "English" there.
>
> You said: "I prefer that by default the IDE generates files without 
> localization because in the case of Spanish there are many variants.
> Then if you want to create a specific localization you can do it 
> manually."
>
> It's already the case. You can choose any of the Spanish variants (if 
> one is missing, I will add it).
>
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