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[Jussi Lahtinen]

Benoit, is this really an appropriate list for these debunked conspiracies
or should we dedicate it to Gambas only?

Jussi


On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 3:36 PM Benoît Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Le 30/11/2021 à 22:53, Gambas at YoungJules.net a écrit :
> >   * Let's suppose that a vaccine work. Then how could a non-vaccinated
> >     people put the health of vaccinated people at risk?
> >
> >  1. Firstly, the definition of a “A working vaccine” is not one that
> >     gives perfect protection against catching a disease, although that
> >     would be lovely. If it significantly reduces your chance of dying
> >     from or catching a disease and has a very low incidence of
> >     side-effects then it’s working.
> >  2. Non-vaccinated people put vaccinated people at risk simply by
> >     allowing the virus more chances to mutate into something more
> >     deadly, or to mutate into a form that’s more resistant to the
> >     current vaccines, or into a far more infectious form, or ....(you
> >     might want to google RNA virus mutation rate...)
>
> This argument seems intellectually satisfying, but is false in practice.
>
> The more mutations (technically it's not really mutations, but let's
> ignore that fact), the less dangerous a RNA virus become.
>
> By preventing the virus to live its life, i.e. mutating, you just make
> the epidemic longer.
>
> People vaccinated by these mARN-based injections get a random number of
> their cells hijacked to produce part of the famous "spike" protein of
> the virus, so that our immune system is trained to recognize it. By
> indirectly targetting only a small part of the virus, these injections
> actually lead to the same problematic mutations than the mutations
> occurring in non-vaccinated people.
>
> This is the reason why these injections do not work anymore.
>
>
> >  3. Vaccinated people with underlying health conditions can still get
> >     very sick (and die) from being infected by unvaccinated people.
>
> And by vaccinated people too, as the ARNm injections do not prevent
> virus spread.
>
> >  4. Unvaccinated people who get sick still insist on getting treated in
> >     hospital, taking up hospital beds and ICU places that would normally
> >     be available to people suffering strokes, heart attacks, cancer ...
> >     causing deaths among the vaccinated because they can't get treated
> >     in a timely manner for non-Covid related diseases.
>
> I can't tell for other countries, but this argument is totally false in
> France.
>
> The French State has just issue a report on the activity of the hospital
> in 2020: 2% of the activity was dedicated to the Covid in mean, and 7%
> in March, when the epidemic was at the highest. But, in the same time,
> as the government forces the hospital to close most of the non-Covid
> services, these 7% must be related to an hospital running at 50% of its
> actual capacity.
>
> So the real number is actually 3.5%: of course a number does not show
> the actual work of the nurses and doctors during the epidemic pic, but
> for sure the reality was not the "hospital completely overwhelmed by a
> virus similar to Ebola" that the media sold us.
>
> Another statistic is the number of people sicked: The usual yearly flu
> epidemic, at his highest, makes (in France) 600 people sick by week for
> 100 000 people.
>
> The Covid "epidemic" at his highest in 2020, made 140 people sick by
> week for 100 000 people.
>
> We see the same pattern when examining the global mortality: the Covid
> has no significant effect on the mortality in 2020. In other words, it
> killed very old people with problems that would have died otherwise from
> something else.
>
> So, no, non-vaccinated people have absolutely no effect on what happens
> in the hospital. A lot of people died or will die because their disease
> was not treated in time, I agree. But because of political decision
> only. Should I add that my mother lost her godmother last year because
> of these political decisions?
>
> Nowadays, as the mRNA-based injections do not work anymore, the hospital
> is full of vaccinated people getting the Covid. The rate is the same as
> the rate of vaccination in the full population. In absolute numbers,
> there are hopefully far less people sick than in 2020.
>
> And if you imply that unvaccinated people should be discriminated at the
> hospital, because these horrible people takes hospital bed, let's talk
> about people who smoke too much; who drink too much; who had an accident
> because they drive too fast; who have AIDS; and so on... We will all
> love to live in this kind of social-credit based society for sure.
>
> Again, I am not against vaccine -in general and theoretically -, and I
> agree with your arguments in that case, but I'm against these injections
> -specifically and practically-.
>
> I have heard that the Chinese vaccine is a traditional vaccine. No
> problem with that. It's just forbidden in the western world. Bad luck,
> it's political again.
>
> All vaccine made, except "Russian roulette" experimental injections that
> do not work anymore.
>
> --
> Benoît Minisini
>
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