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[Benoît Minisini]

Le 30/11/2021 à 22:53, Gambas at YoungJules.net a écrit :
>   * Let's suppose that a vaccine work. Then how could a non-vaccinated
>     people put the health of vaccinated people at risk?
> 
>  1. Firstly, the definition of a “A working vaccine” is not one that
>     gives perfect protection against catching a disease, although that
>     would be lovely. If it significantly reduces your chance of dying
>     from or catching a disease and has a very low incidence of
>     side-effects then it’s working.
>  2. Non-vaccinated people put vaccinated people at risk simply by
>     allowing the virus more chances to mutate into something more
>     deadly, or to mutate into a form that’s more resistant to the
>     current vaccines, or into a far more infectious form, or ....(you
>     might want to google RNA virus mutation rate...)

This argument seems intellectually satisfying, but is false in practice.

The more mutations (technically it's not really mutations, but let's 
ignore that fact), the less dangerous a RNA virus become.

By preventing the virus to live its life, i.e. mutating, you just make 
the epidemic longer.

People vaccinated by these mARN-based injections get a random number of 
their cells hijacked to produce part of the famous "spike" protein of 
the virus, so that our immune system is trained to recognize it. By 
indirectly targetting only a small part of the virus, these injections 
actually lead to the same problematic mutations than the mutations 
occurring in non-vaccinated people.

This is the reason why these injections do not work anymore.


>  3. Vaccinated people with underlying health conditions can still get
>     very sick (and die) from being infected by unvaccinated people.

And by vaccinated people too, as the ARNm injections do not prevent 
virus spread.

>  4. Unvaccinated people who get sick still insist on getting treated in
>     hospital, taking up hospital beds and ICU places that would normally
>     be available to people suffering strokes, heart attacks, cancer ...
>     causing deaths among the vaccinated because they can't get treated
>     in a timely manner for non-Covid related diseases.

I can't tell for other countries, but this argument is totally false in 
France.

The French State has just issue a report on the activity of the hospital 
in 2020: 2% of the activity was dedicated to the Covid in mean, and 7% 
in March, when the epidemic was at the highest. But, in the same time, 
as the government forces the hospital to close most of the non-Covid 
services, these 7% must be related to an hospital running at 50% of its 
actual capacity.

So the real number is actually 3.5%: of course a number does not show 
the actual work of the nurses and doctors during the epidemic pic, but 
for sure the reality was not the "hospital completely overwhelmed by a 
virus similar to Ebola" that the media sold us.

Another statistic is the number of people sicked: The usual yearly flu 
epidemic, at his highest, makes (in France) 600 people sick by week for 
100 000 people.

The Covid "epidemic" at his highest in 2020, made 140 people sick by 
week for 100 000 people.

We see the same pattern when examining the global mortality: the Covid 
has no significant effect on the mortality in 2020. In other words, it 
killed very old people with problems that would have died otherwise from 
something else.

So, no, non-vaccinated people have absolutely no effect on what happens 
in the hospital. A lot of people died or will die because their disease 
was not treated in time, I agree. But because of political decision 
only. Should I add that my mother lost her godmother last year because 
of these political decisions?

Nowadays, as the mRNA-based injections do not work anymore, the hospital 
is full of vaccinated people getting the Covid. The rate is the same as 
the rate of vaccination in the full population. In absolute numbers, 
there are hopefully far less people sick than in 2020.

And if you imply that unvaccinated people should be discriminated at the 
hospital, because these horrible people takes hospital bed, let's talk 
about people who smoke too much; who drink too much; who had an accident 
because they drive too fast; who have AIDS; and so on... We will all 
love to live in this kind of social-credit based society for sure.

Again, I am not against vaccine -in general and theoretically -, and I 
agree with your arguments in that case, but I'm against these injections 
-specifically and practically-.

I have heard that the Chinese vaccine is a traditional vaccine. No 
problem with that. It's just forbidden in the western world. Bad luck, 
it's political again.

All vaccine made, except "Russian roulette" experimental injections that 
do not work anymore.

-- 
Benoît Minisini