[Gambas-user] Gambas Future or what kind of Gambas we want.

[Tom]

I have to agree 100% with Carl!

I too have experience programming GUI's for about 15 years with VB6. I have a 
very small amount of Linux experience.
The reason I am reading this list is that I did not like .Net and wanted to find 
an alternative to VB6.  I found Gambas and it looked good.  I managed to get 
(after a week of trying) a version of Linux running and got Gambas running on 
it. All I wanted to do was create some sample user screens to show someone my 
concepts. That was at least 6 months ago.  The whole Linux experience was more 
than I had time for or wanted to suffer through.  The first graphical drag/drop 
thing I tried to do wouldn't work with Gambas, however was not too difficult 
with VB6.

I don't know how to compile a new version/release of Gambas when bug fixes come 
out.  Its far to complicated for me.  If I had a few months of spare time, 
maybe.  So I gave up, found my old copy of VB6 and was running in about an hour. 
I don't feel I can use VB6 for anything for a customer these days, so I am still 
looking for something like VB6 that I can use without needing to learn a new 
operating system to use it.

 From what I have seen, and some of the playing around with Gambas, it looks 
very nice and the closest I have seen to VB6.
I just get very frustrated when it takes months of work to do an eight hour project.

I know a lot of people will say "its not that hard" or "I did it in only four 
hours" but you are already knowledgeable in Linux.
Tom

On 1/23/2014 7:57 AM, Carl Nilsson wrote:
> Tobias:
> Thank you for reply.  I think maybe you misunderstood a couple of
> points I was trying to make.
> I was not criticizing any language, particularly not Gambas.  Nor was
> inferring that Linux is not a great set of op. systems, one or many
> of which would be of long-term advantage to a user.  Switching to
> Linux does however pose a early barrier that must be surmounted
> before many people become comfortable with it.  I have been
> programming off and on for nearly 55 years, but only as a scientific
> user and not a professional.  I met Unix in the 1970's, but did not
> continue to use it.  To put VB6 onto Windows XP, I insert the CD,
> click a few times, put in my keycode and it is done.  Heaps and heaps
> of online help, both from MS and the net.  The installation process
> for Gambas into Linux, plus other components gets better with time,
> but is still challenging for many, including those with significant
> past programming experience.
>
> You said it yourself: "There are also seasoned Linux users who will
> appreciate Gambas
> and there are youngsters whose first language Gambas may be. All the old VB6
> users _I_ have met (shortly after their switch to Linux and Gambas,
> admittedly!) were really confused about the distributions' way of package
> management, Gambas components, etc. and more complained about the whole
> situation. I can't remember having heard from them again.".
>
> That's my main point.   The original question was about how to ensure
> the future of gambas.  Maybe that's already been done by it's
> intrinsic quality.  However, to increase the takeup and use - and
> hence continued development long into the future - you have to pay
> attention to potential users and meet their requirements for
> installation and maintenance.  A bit more attention to nearly two
> million users of a board like the RPi would not go amiss.   The
> BeagleBone Black creates another opportunity.  Why Python and not Gambas?
> Carl
>
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