[Gambas-user] Re; Website ...

Wed Aug 22 10:08:41 CEST 2007

Hi,

>I think we should be very careful with this notion of being "professional". 
>Begin professional and looking professional are really not the same thing, and I don't think it is important if Gambas and his web site do not *look* "professional". This is a marketing thing :-)

Sure .. don't mistake me for a salesman, I've been writing code (device driver upwards) for Linux since 1991 .. :)

IMHO The web site should have two purposes;

a. To provide a resource for existing users
b. To draw in new users

If you're not interested in (b) , then the old site is sustainable .. however as a user who has put a fair bit of time into using Gambas, I would love to see more people using it and helping to develop it. (so I had considered (b) to be quite important)

Wen I use the word "professional", I'm really talking about presenting Gambas to potential new users as a "real" "sustainable" project / product that "really" works and isn't going to vanish tomorrow.

> What is possible with plone in look customization.

Absolutely anything you could do by hand in html ...

> If you could remove some lines, boxes, and the frame around everything that clutter the interface. Just compare a Gnome dialog-box with a KDE one, you will see what I want.

Ok, generally the lines and boxes are there to separate out different components of the site. If you can point as specific lines and boxes I can try to re-design bits so that they "work" without those specific lines and boxes, but if I take "everything" away, you'll be left with a page of bland text which won't look good at all !

>Another point: you put a link to Firefox with the text "Best viewed with 

Ok, based on experience, this link was factual rather than simply being ad advert, Firefox historically works "better" with Plone than Konquerer or any other browser (although I've no experience of more recent versions). However, you don't want it - it's gone!
:)

>As for the Gambas documentation, I think that it should stay outside of the 

gambasdoc?  Yup, sure ... I've still to do the documentation page, will insert links to Rod's site ..

>Is it possible to embed the documentation as I did with the current web site? 

Urm, yes ... sort of ..

>Well, it was easy as I used frames. But one told me that frames are bad, so...

Not so much "bad" as "evil" .. :)
Will see what I can do ...

>And as said Fabien, the better thing that your Plone web site could bring is a forge that could replace Fabien's web site http://gambasforge.net.

Will be looking to add a component to do this shortly ...

Gareth.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Benoit Minisini" <gambas at ...1...>
To: "mailing list for gambas users" <gambas-user at lists.sourceforge.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:58:24 PM (GMT) Europe/London
Subject: Re: [Gambas-user] Re; Website ...

On mardi 21 août 2007, ron wrote:
> On Tuesday 21 August 2007 18:44, Gareth Bult wrote:
> > >Is it possible to have the same look as in http://gambas.sf.net?
> >
> > Urm, define "the same look" ? What I was looking for was something that
> > would look "professional" on the context of current sites .. at the
> > moment although Gambas is good, the site doesn't make it "look" good ...
>
> I think I do understand Benoits point.
> The 'Professional good' as you say is not bad but there is also a
> 'Functional good' way. That is the menu at the current gambas website, and
> are mostly in conflict with each other.
>
> The first look nice and the second mostly not but the information is in
> short with more overview to find you required stuff quickly.
> That is how I (not a professional) prefer a site most times.
> I hate to step trough 4 menu click to find the main page for the required
> (importand) stuff.
>
> Just for fun take a look at my providers website http://www.tiscali.nl and
> you will see. They behave like professionals but....
> Be carefull with clicking because items on unexpected places inside the
> 'good' stuff are advertisements despite they have a small corner marked as
> advertisements.
>
> > Gareth.
> > --
>
> For the current test site.
> It looks not bad and it is nice you set it up in so short time.
> One site for the maillist, forum, examplecode and etc sounds good to me.
>
>
> Ron
>

I think we should be very careful with this notion of being "professional". 
Begin professional and looking professional are really not the same thing, 
and I don't think it is important if Gambas and his web site do not 
*look* "professional". This is a marketing thing :-)

When I asked if it is possible to have the same look, I didn't actually wanted 
the same look, but I wanted to know:

* What is possible with plone in look customization.

* If you could remove some lines, boxes, and the frame around everything that 
clutter the interface. Just compare a Gnome dialog-box with a KDE one, you 
will see what I want.

Anyway, Plone seems to be powerful. I just want to simplify the look.

Another point: you put a link to Firefox with the text "Best viewed with 
FireFox". Ironically, on my Mandriva, the web site is far best viewed with 
Konqueror :-) With FireFox (2.0), some lines cut the text, and the page is 
displayed with a bitmap font (even if all fonts defined in the preferences 
are true type fonts). I think you should remove it!

As for the Gambas documentation, I think that it should stay outside of the 
plone site, on Rob Kudla's machine, because I have too many tools made around 
it: the documentation is generated by a Gambas Wiki, and the static version 
of the documentation is directly integrated in the source code from it.

Is it possible to embed the documentation as I did with the current web site? 
Well, it was easy as I used frames. But one told me that frames are bad, 
so...

And as said Fabien, the better thing that your Plone web site could bring is a 
forge that could replace Fabien's web site http://gambasforge.net.

Regards,

-- 
Benoit Minisini

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