[Gambas-devel] Good luck Gambas 1.0

Wed Aug 11 17:06:10 CEST 2004

Are there bugs in the net component?

Tell me soon! I can not help if you do not report them

Regards,

Daniel Campos

El mié, 11-08-2004 a las 12:06, Bodard Fabien escribió:
> Le mercredi 11 Août 2004 07:20, Yizhou He a écrit :
> > Dear Mr.Benoit Minisini:
> > > This will not be done immediately, because this imply a lot of
> > > change in the
> > > editor. But this could be done in a pretty-printer integrated into
> > > the
> > > compiler.
> >
> > I really think so called pretty-printer is a good stuff, recommend
> > include in 1.0
> >
> > > > This will be very useful while many developer working on one project
> > > > and writing components, control, libs, developer don't have to
> > >
> > > search> document for how to use the function,sub,
> > >
> > > I will do that in a next version.
> > >
> > > As a workaround, if I open the help on the Split() page if I press
> > > F2 while
> > > the cursor in on the Split instruction, will you be happy ?
> >
> > I don't think let developer press F2 is a good idea. It involves extra
> > button press and opens another window, load help opener program
> > (typically as slow as web browser or it is web browser). More
> > importantly, my solution allow user add memo to the function (or class
> > or component) they wrote easily. No need to write separate help file
> > (he may just need this information for develop the program, he don't
> > want to show it to the user of his program)
> >
> > > > 3. Treeview control should add a memo or tip function so that when
> > > > mouse move over a node will display a help or memo information for
> > > > different node. The memo information should be input in
> > >
> > > "treeview.add"> method.
> > >
> > > I don't know if it is possible with QT. But you can do it by hand
> > > by tracking
> > > the mouse and changing the global treeview tooltip each time the
> > > mouse enter
> > > a node. To find a node from the mouse coordinates, there is the
> > > TreeView.Find() method.
> >
> > Whatever method can be used, it should be packed into the control. The
> > reason we need control is to make develop easier.
> >
> > > > 4. Fproperty form should add a text control to display the memo
> > >
> > > about> the selected property
> > >
> > > I will do that in a next version.
> >
> > I know what I asked for involve a lot of work and typing. if it is
> > something that can copy and paste from menu, you can distribute the
> > work to different developer in developer mail list. Different people
> > work for different part and you go over it and make it looks uniform.
> >
> > > > The memo means tips help information, comments, anything can help
> > > > developer or user to use Gambas and it's application.
> > > >
> > > > Do I ask for too much?
> > >
> > > No, but I want to release a 1.0 the earlier as possible, and put
> > > such
> > > development in next releases.
> >
> > Is there any reason to release a 1.0 the earlier as possible. I thought
> > you don't have to catch time for the stock or market. I have problem to
> > tracking error using debug, first many step is ok, but after step in 10
> > or 15 steps, the varible value become error message. I don't think it
> > is a good idea to release 1.0 without slove the problem.
> 
> Hi, Mr Yizhou He, 
> 
> You make a good job in the ide. But i think you must to understand that. When 
> Benoit, say he want to finish the 1.0 before, he talk about the gambas 
> language. In fact the language can be in stable version and the ide in beta 
> version, i think it's not really a problem. And it's the same about the 
> components these are not part of gambas language but just addons.
> 
> So, if for exemple there is some bug in the gb.qt or gb.net when the 1.0 is 
> released, it's not really important. The more important for Benoit, i think 
> is to have zero bug in the gambas internal classes, nor in the interpreter, 
> neither in the compiler...
> 
> In summary, with the gambas 1.0, you can have bug :
>   - in the Ide
>   - in the components (as less as possible)
>   - in your own program !
> 
> But not in the language !
> 
> OUps, i'm repeating the same thing three time no ?
> 
> The more important job on the IDE is planed for after the 1.0 version.
> 
> If i remember all, We talk about a near complete redesign of the ide, about 
> add a report designer, and many other little interesting thing that i've 
> writed somewhere but i don't remember where...
> 
> So, get ready, there is many job, but after the 1.0 gambas version... And your 
> ideas will be welcome !
> 
> 
> good holliday ;-)
> 
> Fabien Bodard
> 
> (hum sorry Benoit... mabe i've act at a bad time ? But i think this 
> explanation about the diferent parts of gambas is important for all users. 
> If i've say something bad... shoot me !(<fr>frapper... hum type ?</fr>)
> )
> 
> > In my mind, 1.0 may not necessary to be fancy, may not very convenient,
> > may not very powerful, but all function listed should be usable,
> > stable, user friendly.
> 
> 
> 
> > Many people may use gambas for the first time, may just because they
> > read a news article about gambas 1.0 released and download for a trial.
> >
> > Unable (don't know where) to download a copy of linux and install it
> > will kill one third of the people (I suggest put a link about how to
> > download a recommend version of linux on website right after the link
> > about where to download Gambas).
> >
> > Problem with redhat 9.0 will kill one third of the rest(recommend
> > detect redhat9.0 and fix the problem automatically or provide download
> > for redhat9.0).
> >
> > User friendly design may make them learn the difference between VB and
> > GB quickly. After try and learn something quickly allow him write first
> > simple program on linux will make he feel like he is powerful with
> > linux too. Requirement of reading long and boring manual about the
> > difference between VB and GB, and searching the menu to find out how to
> > use one function will kill two third of the rest.
> >
> > program bug, crash, errors that user can not understand will kill 90%
> > of the rest, 10% of the rest who really like gambas or program on linux
> > will send bug report or join the develop mail list.
> >
> > My English is not good; I can not understand the feeling beside or
> > inside the words. If any words make you feel uncomfortable. I apologize
> > for that. I don't want to criticize Gamebas, I just want it better and
> > sucess.
> >
> > Before put release 1.0 on website, can you send it to translators
> > first, after get it translated, put on website. Otherwise, there always
> > some new function is not translated.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Yizhou He
> > Research Technician (Xiong Lab)
> > Lineberger Comprehensive Cancer Center
> > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
> > Chapel Hill, NC 27599-7295
> > Tel: (919)-962-2143
> >
> >
> >
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