Re: Gambas and Wayland

[Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr@xxxxxxxxx>]

Fabien Bodard

Le mer. 30 juil. 2025 à 21:31, gbWilly <gbWilly@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :

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> gbWilly
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> Gambas3 for Debian/Ubuntu
> GambOS
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> ...there is always a Catch if things go wrong!
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> On Wednesday, July 30th, 2025 at 18:29, Benoît Minisini <
> benoit.minisini@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > Hi,
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> > I just read that page, named "Think twice before abandoning X11. Wayland
> > breaks everything!".
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> > https://gist.github.com/probonopd/9feb7c20257af5dd915e3a9f2d1f2277
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> > As you may know, Gambas tries to create an uniform API for accessing GUI
> > toolkits, i.e. Qt and GTK+ at the moment.
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> > I had to introduce in both of them some sort of specific sub-components
> > to handle the difference between X11 and Wayland: gb.qt6.wayland,
> > gb.qt6.x11, gb.gtk3.wayland, and so on...
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> > And by making these components, I noticed that a lot of things are not
> > implemented in Wayland.
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> > At the beginning, I thought these missing features will be implemented
> > in the future, that they were not there because of more prioritary
> > things to do first.
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> > But then I noticed that Wayland has now the same age than Xorg had when
> > the development of Wayland started.
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> > And I read the document I mentioned at the beginning of the mail.
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> > Now I'm afraid that Wayland will never be fixed, and will be imposed by
> > force to the user. The exact contrary of the spirit of free software.
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> > And I even not talking about the politic drama around the XLibre fork.
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> > I don't want to spend hours of coding just to try to workaround Wayland
> > limitations and the resulting incompatibilities between each Wayland
> > window manager implementations and their "desktop portal thing", whereas
> > on X11 all window managers speaks the same language.
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> > There are some bad designs too in some of X11 protocols, but why not
> > just fixing them?
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> > What do you think?
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> > --
> > Benoît Minisini.
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> Corporate interests taking over the free software community, in the same
> manner that it is happening in all aspects of society. The trojan horse
> 'comfort, easy, time conserving and other blablabla' is traded of for
> literally the loss of privacy, possibilities and thus also choices.
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> Haven't you noticed how all made nowadays is inferior to what used to be
> made 40-50 years ago, just as commercial model to ensure ever bigger
> profits for the few.


Gambas is a relic of this old world ( well not my own code 😅)


Haven't you noticed how our governments are transforming to censorship and
> suppression supporters? You might wonder who they actually serve, not the
> people, that's for sure.
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> You don't need a tin foil to see what is going on, just some common sense
> and the courage to face it.
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> It is systematic and will not go away through passive waiting for change...
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So true 🙄


> gbWilly
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Wayland as many pseudo revolutionary tool is just made people loosing
theire time.

As an old men today, I try to concentrate myself on essential ( less
socialnetwork, less Internet, more real crafting).

Less tv, more books...