Re: Gambas and Wayland

[Brian G <brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 7/30/25 09:29, Benoît Minisini wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just read that page, named "Think twice before abandoning X11. 
> Wayland breaks everything!".
>
> https://gist.github.com/probonopd/9feb7c20257af5dd915e3a9f2d1f2277
>
> As you may know, Gambas tries to create an uniform API for accessing 
> GUI toolkits, i.e. Qt and GTK+ at the moment.
>
> I had to introduce in both of them some sort of specific 
> sub-components to handle the difference between X11 and Wayland: 
> gb.qt6.wayland, gb.qt6.x11, gb.gtk3.wayland, and so on...
>
> And by making these components, I noticed that a lot of things are not 
> implemented in Wayland.
>
> At the beginning, I thought these missing features will be implemented 
> in the future, that they were not there because of more prioritary 
> things to do first.
>
> But then I noticed that Wayland has now the same age than Xorg had 
> when the development of Wayland started.
>
> And I read the document I mentioned at the beginning of the mail.
>
> Now I'm afraid that Wayland will never be fixed, and will be imposed 
> by force to the user. The exact contrary of the spirit of free software.
>
> And I even not talking about the politic drama around the XLibre fork.
>
> I don't want to spend hours of coding just to try to workaround 
> Wayland limitations and the resulting incompatibilities between each 
> Wayland window manager implementations and their "desktop portal 
> thing", whereas on X11 all window managers speaks the same language.
>
> There are some bad designs too in some of X11 protocols, but why not 
> just fixing them?
>
> What do you think?
I agree,

While Wayland may fix performance for games in some ways, it is by far 
inferior to x11 as a standard.

Too much is ignored or broken.

I don't actually wear a tin hat, but it seem amazing at just the time 
that win10 supports ends and forces win 11 and more and more people are 
turning to linux to avoid the info steal, that red hat/fedora produces a 
substandard user interface that pretty much breaks Linux desktop to a 
large degree, forces it's adoption and persuades other distros to do the 
same, and who's primary source of income is IBM, and MS... umm. And also 
shames anyone willing to continue support through dei, and flame attacks....

it is becoming a very strange world indeed !

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~~~~ Brian

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