Re: Gambas and Wayland

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Using wayland is kind of like being "woke", young people decided to 
reinvent something to have a modern, progressive, perfect!!!, most of 
all - their own, version of something that was already there and was 
already good enough. All in all after more and more people will realize 
what a disaster it is - it'll pass, naturally.

Wayland will never be fixed not because there are errors that nobody is 
fixing, but the very idea of what wayland is [against X11] is very 
broken in it's foundation. It will only get worse until eventually it's 
unusability would become too obvious for too much people to tolerate 
further.

No offense.

Dmitry.

30.07.2025 23:29, Benoît Minisini пишет:
> Hi,
>
> I just read that page, named "Think twice before abandoning X11. 
> Wayland breaks everything!".
>
> https://gist.github.com/probonopd/9feb7c20257af5dd915e3a9f2d1f2277
>
> As you may know, Gambas tries to create an uniform API for accessing 
> GUI toolkits, i.e. Qt and GTK+ at the moment.
>
> I had to introduce in both of them some sort of specific 
> sub-components to handle the difference between X11 and Wayland: 
> gb.qt6.wayland, gb.qt6.x11, gb.gtk3.wayland, and so on...
>
> And by making these components, I noticed that a lot of things are not 
> implemented in Wayland.
>
> At the beginning, I thought these missing features will be implemented 
> in the future, that they were not there because of more prioritary 
> things to do first.
>
> But then I noticed that Wayland has now the same age than Xorg had 
> when the development of Wayland started.
>
> And I read the document I mentioned at the beginning of the mail.
>
> Now I'm afraid that Wayland will never be fixed, and will be imposed 
> by force to the user. The exact contrary of the spirit of free software.
>
> And I even not talking about the politic drama around the XLibre fork.
>
> I don't want to spend hours of coding just to try to workaround 
> Wayland limitations and the resulting incompatibilities between each 
> Wayland window manager implementations and their "desktop portal 
> thing", whereas on X11 all window managers speaks the same language.
>
> There are some bad designs too in some of X11 protocols, but why not 
> just fixing them?
>
> What do you think?