[Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?

Thu Dec 14 19:40:18 CET 2017

Unfortunately, fast and well, they do not walk together.
Other people, better than me, give better advice.

Regards
Gianluigi

2017-12-14 19:25 GMT+01:00 mikeB <mb at code-it.com>:

> yes = I'm referring to the "Unbuntu World" and thank you for your fast
> reply!
> mikeB
>
>
> On 12/14/2017 11:19 AM, Gianluigi wrote:
>
>> If you are referring only to the Ubuntu world and derivatives, the easiest
>> thing for you and your customers (Windows way) is to make them install
>> stable Gambas3 from PPA and provide the executable of your program.
>> Taking advantage of the tricks of Tobias and making him eliminate the
>> current Gambas installed if of a lower version of the program.
>>
>> Regards
>> Gianluigi
>>
>> 2017-12-14 18:18 GMT+01:00 mikeB <mb at code-it.com>:
>>
>> mikeB here again (i'm sure that most folks think i should just go away &
>>> figure it out myself- but just maybe others have these same questions?
>>> amd i'm having a heck of a time 'figuring it out myself' ;-(
>>>
>>>
>>> *******************************************************
>>> In comparing a setup file (VB6 to Gambas):
>>>
>>> VB6 INSTALL = the script of almost all M$ Windows install files includes
>>> at the very beginning the current VB runtime files (at least in any
>>> setup I
>>> ever created) to make sure the end users' system is up to date with the
>>> software being installed.
>>>
>>> GAMBAS INSTALL = if an app is developed using Gambas version 3.10 and the
>>> end users system has v3.8 runtime files installed (or none) the program
>>> (end user app) will not install - comes back with the message
>>> that v.10 runtime files are required. Not a peep on how to get them or
>>> offer to do it automatically.
>>> ********************************************************
>>>
>>> So - my question is = would there be a way to include the v.10 runtime
>>> files in the install script - to upgrade if needed - just like a VB6
>>> install? And if so,  would that cause any unforeseen problems?
>>>
>>> For the somewhat advanced Linux user - none of this matters much
>>> cuz they are use to handling these issues - but my concern is the
>>> person that just switched from Wins 10 to Linux 3 days ago - as I have
>>> a large following that I'm trying to help make the switch not only to
>>> Linux but to Gambas programming;-)  I want the end user to have NO
>>> problems
>>> installing a Gambas programmed app - just double click the file (to
>>> install) like they are use to. Not having to check v or anything else -
>>> just double click the file.
>>>
>>> Sorry for the long post as some of it was prob unnecessary,
>>> have a GREAT day,
>>> mikeB
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/13/2017 02:22 PM, Gianluigi wrote:
>>>
>>> Right, not only the runtime is not installed, nothing is installed.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>
>>>> 2017-12-13 20:25 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> That does not install anything. It just adds the repo and updates.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:58 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry maybe I'm wrong, but I know this:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
>>>>>>> sudo apt-get update
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It does not install the runtime but only the libraries and therefore
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> we are saying here is useless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-12-13 19:25 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is standard for exit codes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/exitcodes.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:02 PM, T Lee Davidson <
>>>>>>> t.lee.davidson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [shell-script]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> #!/bin/bash
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> which gbx3 &>/dev/null
>>>>>>>> if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then
>>>>>>>>       echo "Gambas runtime (gbx3) not found in path. Cannot
>>>>>>>> continue."
>>>>>>>>       exit 1 # arbitrary exit code of your choice
>>>>>>>> fi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> if [[ $(gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0')
>>>>>>>> ==
>>>>>>>> "False" ]]; then
>>>>>>>>       echo "So sorry."
>>>>>>>>       exit 2 # also an arbitrary exit code
>>>>>>>> fi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> # Great, do Gambas stuff now
>>>>>>>> [/shell-script]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The line under the "which" statement basically says, "If the exit
>>>>>>>> code
>>>>>>>> from the 'which' command is not equal to zero, then..."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Strangely on my system, this prints, "So sorry," even though my
>>>>>>>> package
>>>>>>>> manager says version 3.10.0 of gambas-runtime is
>>>>>>>> installed. I have to assume that's an issue with the packager.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Lee
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/13/2017 12:33 PM, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OKAY then - I'll try that (what Tobi wrote). I just didn't really
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> understand it but I will after hack'n at it for awhile;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> THANKS - we can put this subject to bed unless someone has
>>>>>>>>> something else,
>>>>>>>>> mikeB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/13/2017 08:44 AM, Karl Reinl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am Mittwoch, den 13.12.2017, 08:26 -0700 schrieb mikeB:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> thats what i was thinking (works only if Gambas is installed) but
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I really would prefer NOT to force the end user to install Gambas
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> only the v10 runtime files that are required to run the Gambas
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> developed
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> software/ program. A terminal command to just check if the v10
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> runtime
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> files are installed is really what I was looking for;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to all that have taken to time to respond -
>>>>>>>>>>> it's highly APPRECIATED! Have learned something from every post.
>>>>>>>>>>> mikeB
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/13/2017 07:43 AM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the suggestin from tobias are the best for check a specific
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> version string,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> due return a exact result, not an interpretative result
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> good, but only works if gambas are installed, if not return
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "commando not
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> found"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-13 9:21 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <
>>>>>>>>>>>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> gbx3 -V
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gbx3 --version
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Works also...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Tobias Boege <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> taboege at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On my web site, that I offer software programmed using Gambas,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> notice :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ***********
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> VERY IMPORTANT: before installing this app you will need to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gambas
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Runtime  v10 files - most systems will not have these very new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> installed yet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do so via the terminal commands:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo apt-get update
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ***********
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now that Gambas runtime 10 files are more common - being
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Distro - is there a way for the user (terminal command) to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> check if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> they are
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installed?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a real newbie question I'm sure but hey.. I'm a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> newbie!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any all help on this matter and have a GREAT day,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mikeB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First check if the interpreter gbx3 is found in PATH, using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "which"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> utility. If not, I wouldn't call Gambas properly installed
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (although
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> some people might disagree -- it's their computer -- but then
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> be able to figure their Gambas version out themselves).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once you have that, the System class has FullVersion which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gives
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gambas version as a string and you can compare it like this:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       $ gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >=
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Comp will return the sign (-1, 0 or 1) of subtracting the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version 3.10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> from your Gambas version. You want the comparison to yield 0 or
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With the above line, you will see either the string "True" or
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "False"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> printed to the terminal; you can make the output fancier.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOTE: gb.Natural makes the comparison by natural sort, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to compare version numbers. Observe:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10")'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10", gb.Natural)'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       -1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because "2" comes before "1" in the alphabet, the default
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lexicographic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> comparison mode declares the string "3.2" to be greater than
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "3.10",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but gb.Natural gets it right.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also never coerce the string version into a float for easier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comparison
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> because you'll run into nasty bugs caused by float roundoff.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tobi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Salut mikeB,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> reread what Tobi wrote: "which" is the magic command for that.
>>>>>>>>>>
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