[Gambas-user] hardware requirments?

Mon Dec 11 09:27:26 CET 2017

Hi Piccoro,
remember, not me but mikeB said this:
On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>>>>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's
>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.

Regards
Gianluigi

2017-12-11 4:14 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:

> 2017-12-10 14:08 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>
>> But here we talk about 8 GB of RAM, CPU can not be older than 9 years,
>> could not support them.
>>
> umm in this case there's something wrong with your hardware description..
>
> you said athlon and never athlon motherboards support more thn 6Gb of ram
> i think so
>
> could you provide the ooutput of :
>
> /proc/cpuinfo
> lspci
>
> or could you try to compile and run gambas from tarball? in a testing
> installation?
>
> or reinstall and retest.. maybe its your hard-drive or some RAM dimm in
> bad status
>
>
>
>>
>> Regards
>> Gianluigi
>>
>> 2017-12-10 18:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> 9 years are not old! Athlon was made by firts time at 1999 a 18 year
>>> old, ok
>>>
>>> gambas must be compiled in the host in that case or you must use my
>>> packages for older computers that really works optimized (venenux)
>>>
>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> 2017-12-10 11:48 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> My computer is 9 years old and works perfectly with Linux Mint (64bit).
>>>> I really like the cinnamon desktop.
>>>> I compile Gambas myself and I compile every component except Qt5 stuff.
>>>> Never had problems.
>>>>
>>>> When was last 32bit CPU for PCs made? Was it Athlon from 2005?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jussi
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you like laughing...
>>>>> Mine is a 13-year old hardware (excluding monitors and mouse, just
>>>>> bought the monitor) and with Xubuntu 16.04 it works great.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-12-10 12:47 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-12-10 4:39 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here (Gambas-it) there were discussions that would make us think
>>>>>>> otherwise.
>>>>>>> Sometimes Mint gives different results.
>>>>>>> Taking a test does not cost much effort and removes any doubt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> jajaja never mind. witn a winbuntu derivative never will work..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> use a kernel with no so many up to date.. a kernel that fith the
>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrong thinking that the most recent its the better
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2017-12-10 2:03 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Interesting, then I would guess the fault is not on Linux Mint
>>>>>>>> either... their repos contain pretty much the same stuff.
>>>>>>>> But hard to say without testing... or knowing the actual error
>>>>>>>> message.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [System]
>>>>>>>>> Gambas=3.10
>>>>>>>>> OperatingSystem=Linux
>>>>>>>>> Kernel=4.4.0-103-generic
>>>>>>>>> Architecture=x86
>>>>>>>>> Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
>>>>>>>>> Desktop=XFCE
>>>>>>>>> Theme=Cleanlooks
>>>>>>>>> Language=it_IT.UTF-8
>>>>>>>>> Memory=3018M
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-09 20:10 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <
>>>>>>>>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Have you actually tested that with 32bit version?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A possible solution that allows installing 3.10 from PPA is
>>>>>>>>>>> Xubuntu 16.04
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 19:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>>>>>>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the problem its the winbuntu derived distro mint..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> i installed gambas in the very older eeepc asus with 2G disk
>>>>>>>>>>>> ssd internal, 512Mb ram and geode CPU 800MHz perfectly..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> but recent stupid linuxes (including recent kernel) now removed
>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of support for older hardware lest take a example to xorg:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> since 7.3 xorg does not support intel i810 complety, lie to
>>>>>>>>>>>> said that its supported due that chip does not offer 32bit dept only 16bit
>>>>>>>>>>>> "true color" so newer xorg does not complety provide all the chip
>>>>>>>>>>>> capabilities
>>>>>>>>>>>> so if you have intel 810 based chip and wants DIR and opengl,
>>>>>>>>>>>> xorg must be fewer rather thant 7.2  so an older linux must be used..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> in my case i backporte gambas for older linuxes.. like debian
>>>>>>>>>>>> lenny and squeeze perfectly.. of course, thanks to benoit that still does
>>>>>>>>>>>> not "up" the requerimients...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 13:47 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A possibly relevant difference between those systems is that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMD Athlons
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are 32 bit, unless I'm mistaken. Maybe some dependencies are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that architecture.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway it would be time to provide some real error messages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it's the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bitness or too high version requirements for some dependencies
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that came
>>>>>>>>>>>>> since 3.8.4, the package manager should be able to say that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tobi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monk
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