[Gambas-user] Project templates

[willy at ...3474...]

On 2015-09-22 21:36, Tobias Boege wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Sep 2015, Adrien Prokopowicz wrote:
>> Le Sat, 19 Sep 2015 03:51:01 +0200, Beno??t Minisini
>> <gambas at ...1...> a ??crit:
>> 
>> > Le 19/09/2015 03:26, Adrien Prokopowicz a ??crit :
>> >> Le Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:12:49 +0200, Beno??t Minisini
>> >> <gambas at ...1...> a ??crit:
>> >>
>> >>> Le 18/09/2015 09:45, Jorge Carri??n a ??crit :
>> >>>> That is a fine option, Benoit!
>> >>>> I always begin a proyect by choosing components, linking libraries,
>> >>>> copying
>> >>>> and pastin company icons, etc. etc. now I suppouse I can create a
>> >>>> template
>> >>>> with all that stuff an just click on new... Awsome!
>> >>>> Keep doing the goob work...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Regards
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> So am I. I don't know why nobody asked for that. Or maybe I missed it.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> I don't remember anyone asking for this either. That's weird, because
>> >> this feature is awesome ! :)
>> >>
>> >> I have one question though : why are there different project templates
>> >> for each GUI toolkit ? Because we can switch toolkits so easily,
>> >> isn't "Graphical Application" enough ?
>> >> Plus, it's very confusing for less experimented developers who might
>> >> not even know what Qt and GTK+ are.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Because they were mainly there before. And if a less experimented
>> > developer is not aware of what QT and GTK+ are, he will quickly have
>> > problems, so...
>> >
>> 
>> Will he ? You probably know better than me, but I never had any 
>> problem
>> letting gb.gui choose for me when making a GUI project.
>> Also, when getting someone to discover Gambas, I always say "Just use
>> Graphical Application, it will automagically select the right 
>> toolkit",
>> and it always worked fine.
>> 
>> Even as a more experienced user, I see restricting my GUI app to a
>> specific toolkit basically useless, unless I want to use Qt-specific
>> components (like ext or webkit), which happens very rarely. And if I
>> ever want to use these, it's just so easy to click a few checkboxes
>> in the components dialog.
>> 
> 
> I have experienced the contrary. Regularly (but not frequently) I see 
> people
> complaining that their projects look or sometimes even behave 
> differently
> depending on the machine they are used on. The recent cases which I 
> remember
> where all caused by using gb.gui -- well, and the people not knowing 
> about
> themes, etc.. I always explain the situation and then recommend to use
> gb.qtX. Maybe that's a bad advice but the people come always back 
> satisfied.
> 
> I would opt for the QT template to remain [ or be created in the first 
> place;
> don't know, I just arrived home and haven't compiled yet :-) ]. OTOH, 
> if I
> can create my own templates, I don't care. On the first hand again, I 
> will
> care if after release of Gambas 3.9 people come in crying that they 
> don't
> know anymore how to create QT4 projects... Indeed I explained 
> surprisingly
> often lately where the Components tab is located and what its meaning 
> is.
> 
> Regards,
> Tobi

I agree with Tobi,

I find that the gb.qt4 component works best overall on all desktops, 
compared to the gtk ones (even though I run a gtk based desktop). I 
never use gb.gui and have only 1 project using gb.gtk.
Besides that, the gb.qt4 project has the .ext and webkit that lack in 
gb.gtk.

I also advice newbees getting in trouble with gb.gui to use gb.qt4 and 
they seem satisfied with that.

I would love to use templates as I can see good use for them, but I 
would like to have the freedom to select the GUI component I prefer.

gbWilly