[Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.5.1

[Willy Raets]

On Fri, 2013-11-15 at 12:15 +0100, Kende Krisztián wrote:
> 2013-11-14 15:11 keltezéssel, Willy Raets írta:
> > On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 18:16 +0100, Kende Krisztián wrote:
> >> It seems that this was a very well done release. Gambas3-runtime was
> >> downloaded ~15.000 times from nemh/gambas3 PPA, so far, no bug reports. :-)
> >
> > Here is what happens on my test system.
> > It is a replication of Gambas applications running in a production
> > environment, installed using .deb packages.
> >
> > I'll first give you some details on the situation.
> >
> > The system had Gambas 3.4.2 applications installed (no Gambas IDE as it
> > is on end user sytems).
> > The Gambas applications installed:
> > App 1
> > -> depends on gb.args, gb.desktop, gb.form, gb.gui, gb.image,
> > gb.net.curl, gb.net.smtp, gb.settings
> > -> depends on a Gambas library depending on gb.gui, gb.image, gb.net,
> > gb.net.curl, gb.net.smtp, gb.settings
> >
> > Apps 2 and 3
> > -> depends on gb.args, gb.cairo, gb.desktop, gb.form, gb.image,  gb.net,
> > gb.net.curl, gb.net.smtp, gb.qt4, gb.qt4.ext, gb.settings
> > -> depends on a Gambas library depending on gb.image, gb.net,
> > gb.net.curl, gb.net.smtp, gb.qt4, gb.settings
> >
> > Apps 4
> > -> depends on gb.args, gb.cairo, gb.desktop, gb.form, gb.image,  gb.net,
> > gb.net.curl, gb.net.smtp, gb.qt4, gb.qt4.ext, gb.qt4.webkit, gb.settings
> > -> depends on a Gambas library depending on gb.image, gb.net,
> > gb.net.curl, gb.net.smtp, gb.qt4, gb.settings
> >
> > App 5
> > -> depends on gb.args, gb.form, gb.image, gb.mime, gb.qt4, gb.settings
> >
> > When updating from 3.4.2 to 3.5.1 these parts get updated:
> > gambas3-gb-cairo
> > gambas3-gb-form
> > gambas3-gb-gtk
> > gambas3-gb-image
> > gambas3-gb-net
> > gambas3-gb-net-curl
> > gambas3-gb-qt4
> > gambas3-gb-qt4-ext
> > gambas3-gb-qt4-webkit
> >
> > All other parts stayed at 3.4.2 and where not updated.
> > After this none of the applications would install!!
> >
> > So I upgraded gambas3-runtime (still at 3.4.2) to 3.5.1
> > This caused App 1 + Gambas library it needs to be removed
> > This caused App 5 to be uninstalled
> >
> > App 2, 3 and 4 still run, although following components are still on
> > 3.4.2 version:
> > gambas3-gb-args
> > gambas3-gb-desktop
> > gambas3-gb-net-smtp
> >
> > I did upgrade them to 3.5.1 after testing the Apps.
> >
> > The Gambas library using gb.gui can not be reinstalled
> > Dependency error = gambas3-gb-gui (>=3.0.90).
> > Because of this App 1 can't be installed as it depends on above Gambas
> > library.
> >
> > App 5 did reinstall and I still wonder why it got removed!!
> > Could be an older version of the app using gb.gtk was still installed.
> > The newest version used gb.qt4, at that seems to be okay.
> >
> > It seems that gb.gui apps will not install if there are other Gambas
> > apps installed using gb.qt4.
> >
> > The system is a Lubuntu 12.04 LXDE, so gb.gui would prefer using gb.gtk.
> > What has changed that Gambas apps using gb.gtk and gb.qt4 can't run on
> > the same system?
> >
> > So seems I'll need to stick to 3.4.2 a bit longer in a production
> > environment.
> 
> This is a fixed Gambas bug in the integrated packager. Please re-build 
> the installation packages with Gambas 3.5.1 IDE.
> (I prefer the manual building.)

So repackaging the applications in 3.5.1 IDE will solve the problem.
Great, I'll have a go at it, thanks


> 
> > @ Benoît:
> > Fact that gb.media will not run an a Ubuntu 12.04 is another of my
> > concerns. In production and personal environment I always stick to the
> > latest stable release (being 12.04 in buntu with a 5 year support cycle)
> > and this advise I also give to friends that I got onto linux.
> >
> > Why does Gambas need to depend on stuff that doesn't run on the latest
> > stable releases that are just 1 1/2 year out there and will be used for
> > several years to come.
> > Do we really need these hight dependencies when they only run on the
> > latest unstable releases (releases I only run the in VMs for testing
> > purposes and would never consider using in a production environment).
> >
> > I aim at running systems unchanged as long as possible, meaning a much
> > lower cost of ownership. So if Ubuntu 12.05 comes with a 5 year service,
> > it will run for at least 5 years in the production environment it is
> > being used. Why change what works just fine? Just because there is some
> > new fancy stuff out there?
> >
> > I am migrating a Windows production environment to Linux and all custom
> > written apps from VB to Gambas. The apps are used 7 days a week, 365
> > days a year for 13 hours a day. For the migration to work I can't afford
> > future components not being able to install because the OS running at
> > work are 2 years old.
> >
> > I really need some clarity here, before continuing with the migration to
> > Gambas as I don't want an upgrade to a higher version of Gambas break
> > stuff that worked just fine, purely because of dependencies that can't
> > be met.
> >
> 
> If you want, I backport the new 'gb.media' component.

Backport, I like that word :)
Would be great, thanks.


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