[Gambas-user] Menu editor - not a bug but annoying

[Fabien Bodard]

pour une explivation des menu delphi
http://www.jmdoudoux.fr/delphi/menu/index.htm

2009/11/28 Doriano Blengino <doriano.blengino at ...1909...>:
> Benoît Minisini ha scritto:
>>> Kadaitcha Man ha scritto:
>>>
>>>> 2009/11/28 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at ...626...>:
>>>>
>>>>> There are many GUIs where you must validate your input with enter.
>>>>> Example, if you send message with pidgin.
>>>>>
>>>> Enter means, "I am finished. It's your turn to do something, mister
>>>> pooter." Tab means, "I am not finished. It's still my turn and I'm still
>>>> doing stuff." Escape means, "I am finished, and you can throw all my work
>>>> out, mister pooter."
>>>>
>>>> Based on that, can you see why pidgin sends text when you press enter?
>>>> And can you now understand why windows with default buttons tend to
>>>> close when you press enter?
>>>>
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>>> Dear Kadaitcha, keep in mind that there is a lot of people out there
>>> which do not exactly understand what a keyboard is. Typically, when a
>>> message box with an OK button pops up, they leave up the right hand from
>>> the keyboard to grab the mouse and click the OK button. In this
>>> philosophy, you should not wonder when you see applications you can't
>>> use without a mouse, because the majority of people don't even notice.
>>> But the majority of people also believes to be a computer guru, and if
>>> you say "I think this is a mistake" they will reply "it's you who is
>>> wrong, because things have always been done this way".
>>>
>>> Being used to delphi, the first time I've seen the VB menu editor I
>>> laughed: it was crap compared to delphi's one. When I discovered gambas,
>>> I saw the same menu editor. But I didn't laugh anymore; there are many
>>> things I would love to change but, on the other hand, gambas has an
>>> unbeated productivity in the linux desktop. What you are saying is right
>>> - everyone would benefit from this change, but not everyone understands it.
>>>
>>> Salutations,
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yes, the IDE menu editor was copied from the VB one. But hey, this is some
>> code that comes from Gambas 1, done even before the TreeView control, with
>> just some little changes in it.
>>
>> I have never used Delphi, so I have no idea of how its menu editor looks like.
>>
> My intention was not to blame you - my mail was oscillating between
> criticizing some kind of people and award gambas of its merits.
>
> Back to the question; when I use the gambas menu editor I find it a
> little annoying: if the Enter key would confirm the current item instead
> of closing the form, it would be nice. I say it now because someone else
> did it before. In addition I think that, anyway, the gambas menu editor
> performs what it should perform: it *does* edit menus. It could be
> better, but probably there are other things more important just now (who
> knows... QT4?).
>
> The Delphi's way to edit menus is simply as follows: an empty form
> opens, which shows a menu bar (the one you are editing) exactly as you
> would see it in the real application - the only difference is that one
> of the main items, in the bar, is always "opened" (dropped down). Every
> item is managed like any other visual controls - you edit its properties
> in the property editor. You can drag and drop items around, and a double
> click opens the code editor the same way as any other event. I think
> that they had to rebuild "by hand" the whole menu management, because
> windows (tm) does not support drag and drop, non-transient menu pages,
> and so on. The same as GTK and perhaps QT, I think.
> I don't want to say that this is the best possible way, I only say that
> it seems better than the gambas current one.
>
> Just these days (or these months, should I say?) I am trying to write a
> GTK IDE for freepascal. Given that, I try to never miss a chance to see
> what others do in similar situations. I downloaded and tried many of the
> IDEs and programmer's editors I am aware of. Just to see and learn (or
> steal ideas...). Try to take a look at delphi: you will discover that in
> many things gambas is well designed (strange, if it was inspired by VB!)
> and will perform well; but may also happen that you get new ideas and,
> if not, you will be entitled to say "I know - but this is not good".
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Doriano Blengino
>
> "Listen twice before you speak.
> This is why we have two ears, but only one mouth."
>
>
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