[Gambas-user] Feature Request - Package Management

[Sergio A. Hernandez]

The idea itself sound nice, a unique way to install your favorite
application.
But, the concept is a contradiction to what Linux: is almost 300 different
distros most of them active. 1000s of diferent projects, manuals, tutorials,
books, etc.

Some people think that is one of the weakest links of Linux, that all we are
divided in several distros and several projects. But I think is what make
Linux so attractive, the freedom to use whatever desktop, software, distro,
etc you want. Who cares if Linux will never beat Windows?
Me and my family use Linux and we love it, and is what really matters.

On my opinion, of the two major distros (Ubuntu & OpenSuse) the one that
makes your life easier is Ubuntu, some time ago I just give up to have the
latest and greatest version of Gambas and other projects, I try to be
patient and wait to the ubuntu package.
*BTW, when is going to be ready the newest Gambas packages for Ubuntu???????
*
:-) have a nice day.

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Rob <sourceforge-raindog2 at ...94...> wrote:

> On Tuesday 19 May 2009 03:07, KhurramM wrote:
> > gambas-3.1.2-install.bin or gambas-3.1.2-install.sh
> > for every new release (stable or unstable), for all linuxes.
> > 2> Faster bug fixing (as every one uses it).
>
> I certainly wouldn't.  If I can't install something using apt-get, I build
> my own package rather than using some binary installer.
>
> > 5> Be independent of compiling and dependency seeking.
>
> You realize that for Gambas to include all its dependencies in the
> installer - Gtk, KDE, mysql, all the other libraries, statically linked so
> they'll run on any version of Linux - would make the Gambas installer fill
> a CD and maybe more, right?
>
> > 8> Easy testing of a unstable release.
>
> When it comes to unstable development versions of programs, I think putting
> the "make barrier" in place is useful because it prevents less technical
> users from testing software that isn't safe for them to use yet.  If you
> have trouble compiling things, you're also going to have trouble running a
> debugger to post a stack trace after a crash.
>
> > 3> More documentation to configure and use.
> > 10> More helps available.
>
> How will putting Gambas into a monolithic installer create more
> documentation and help?
>
> > Just as sun offers jdk and jre releases fro linuxes.
>
> Sun offers their jdk and jre installers because they used to be proprietary
> software and most distributions wouldn't package them.  That has changed,
> at least partly, but their culture is already in place.  Also, Java has
> very few dependencies, because it reinvents the wheel for the most part
> rather than using existing toolkits and libraries the way Gambas does.
>
> > Currently I am on hardy, and I dont find it comfortable to compile.
>
> There is an installer system called Klik that would provide what you're
> describing, a single file that includes all dependencies, and years ago
> someone packaged Gambas 1.x for Klik.  But I don't know if anyone updates
> it any more and even so, if you're running a KDE 3 system and try to
> install a version of Gambas that includes an entire copy of KDE 4, for
> example, I think it's not going to work too well.  It's a moot point,
> since even when they kept Klik up to date, they only included stable
> versions of programs, not development ones.
>
> Rob
>
>
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