[Gambas-user] We should offer online Gambas courses!

richard terry rterry at ...1946...
Tue Mar 31 06:20:16 CEST 2009 

On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:26:20 pm jbskaggs wrote:
> Thanks for the code!
What code, is that a note oc cynicism?

Richard

> JB
>
> richard terry-5 wrote:
> > On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:49:37 am jbskaggs wrote:
> >> Like I said I'd admin the site so I guess that's what you mean by
> >> co-ordinate the samples.
> >>
> >> Ill setup a site tonite, so when you get a chance you can email me the
> >> samples to just remove the spaces:
> >
> > Personally I think the samples should be part of a gambas program - an
> > overview of gambas like I said wxPython demo does - and not part of a web
> > site.  I think there needs to be two parts of this
> >
> > 1) More detailed examples in the documentation wiki even for really
> > simple things
> >
> > 2) Complete code examples as part of a larger demo included with the
> > distribution of Gambas, and maintained as part of the source code in svn
> >
> > That way, if you or I get run over by a truck it is still there.
> >
> > Ive never experienced much joy looking for code on websites - it tends to
> > be
> > fragmented, difficult to maintain and I don't really want to contribute
> > to it
> > if that is the format.
> >
> > I enclose a screen dump of a very simple one for beginners (my code may
> > be bad - so if so you can fix it), which shows the concept I think would
> > work,
> > and could be included as part of a whole demo. I've others I've done.
> >
> >> jbskaggs   @   skaggs   world  .   com
> >>
> >> Im in the states but Im in the office from noon central time till about
> >> 4 or 5 am. I work and live  children's home (used to be called
> >> orphanages) so
> >> at night  have time to program and write etc.  I'm the one who makes
> >> sure kids don't run away, are comforted when scared or lonely, provide
> >> counseling, that kind of thing.
> >>
> >> jb skaggs
> >>
> >> richard terry-5 wrote:
> >> > On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 07:43:22 am Ron wrote:
> >> >> richard terry wrote:
> >> >> > On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 07:22:48 am jbskaggs wrote:
> >> >> >> I would like to set up a online gambas school where the more
> >> >>
> >> >> experienced
> >> >>
> >> >> >> users and coders here could offer an online workshop on Gambas for
> >> >> >> users.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Make it an affordable cost (Like a $0 to $25 a course, depending
> >> >> >> on complexity, length, and time required. A course on making Forms
> >> >> >> should be free, but a all inclusive course on writing a mmorpg in
> >> >> >> gambas
> >> >>
> >> >> should
> >> >>
> >> >> >> have a fee attached)  and offer a workshop for different
> >> >> >> fundamentals:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I know for me a lot of Gambas is intuitive but much of it isn't.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Im thinking it could be setup on a moodle or someother workshop /
> >> >>
> >> >> class
> >> >>
> >> >> >> software.  With online lessons and quizzes for free but to get the
> >> >> >> actual coding graded it would require a live teacher to grade and
> >> >> >> comment thereby why a nominal fee would be justified.  I could
> >> >> >> even
> >> >>
> >> >> host
> >> >>
> >> >> >> the moodle site and help admin it but my programming knowledge is
> >>
> >> so
> >>
> >> >> low
> >> >>
> >> >> >> I wouldn't make a good teacher.  But I could help someone setup a
> >> >>
> >> >> course
> >> >>
> >> >> >> and host it and that person could charge a reasonable fee to teach
> >> >> >> the course. (Though in the spirit of linux the less money the
> >> >> >> better.)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> For example I would be willing to pay right now to be tutored in
> >>
> >> how
> >>
> >> >> to
> >> >>
> >> >> >> reference, manipulate, and check objects and controls via code
> >> >> >> (dynamically via nested loops and such).  I read the documents- I
> >> >> >> look at the examples and still I get the wrong impressions and
> >>
> >> waste
> >>
> >> >> >> hours and hours on many different controls or functions.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I helped setup an online bible college and the way it ran was
> >> >> >> every course had a different instructor (or most did) and those
> >>
> >> instructors
> >>
> >> >> >> set their own prerequisites and graded assignments on their own
> >> >>
> >> >> schedule
> >> >>
> >> >> >> (within reason).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> But the very basic courses were almost entirely automated - no
> >> >> >> need to have heavy instructor interaction.  But as the courses
> >> >> >> became
> >>
> >> more
> >>
> >> >> >> in depth then instructors became paramount.  Because students
> >>
> >> needed
> >>
> >> >> >> to
> >> >>
> >> >> ask
> >> >>
> >> >> >> questions and yes other students could answer and even grade
> >>
> >> (though
> >>
> >> >> >> their gradings were subject to instructor override.)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I look at the number of basic questions on Nabbles and just think
> >> >> >> that
> >> >>
> >> >> a
> >> >>
> >> >> >> systematic instruction courses would make gambas bloom even more.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Maybe something like:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 1- Setting up your Gambas
> >> >> >>      a. download and installation
> >> >> >>      b. Defining preferences and intro to Gambas
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 2- Mastering the IDE interface:
> >> >> >>      a. creating projects, forms, simple control, saving,
> >>
> >> compiling,
> >>
> >> >> and
> >> >>
> >> >> >> packaging
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 3- Gambas Programming fundamentals: A big unit broken into smaller
> >> >> >> courses a. Forms
> >> >> >>      b. Controls
> >> >> >>      c. Assignments, Operators, Strings, Numbers, and Booleans
> >> >> >>      d. Comparisons, Loops, and nestings
> >> >> >>      e. Good programming, coding practices, and the Gambas
> >> >> >> Programming language
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 4. Components: Another big unit
> >> >> >>      a. gb
> >> >> >>      b. gb.compress
> >> >> >>      c. gb.chart etc...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 5. FX
> >> >> >>     a. BMP, JPG, PNG, GIF, etc what they are.  Editing and making
> >> >>
> >> >> them.
> >> >>
> >> >> >>     b. Animations and movies
> >> >> >>     c. creating, editing, and sounds and music
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 6. Application specific courses:
> >> >> >>    a. How to write a text editor
> >> >> >>    b. How to write a scrolling shooter game etc and so on
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> and so forth.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> And of course offer a Certificates for completing the courses.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I know moodle and setting up the site would be easy- and if
> >> >> >> someone wanted to teach a course I could setup the course, forums,
> >> >> >> and quizzes etc.  I could make some beginner courses on my own-
> >> >> >> but I would need help with more advanced subjects.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Any thoughts? Objections? Volunteers?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> JB Skaggs
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Personally I think we should do what I've pushed for before -
> >>
> >> include
> >>
> >> >> > extensively commented sample code along with gambas. We could all
> >> >> > contribute on our own level - have a look at the wxPython demo as
> >>
> >> such
> >>
> >> >> an
> >> >>
> >> >> > sample code-base of how to use the language.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Richard
> >> >>
> >> >> I agree, an example code/snippets site or part on the official wiki
> >>
> >> for
> >>
> >> >> it would be much better.
> >> >>
> >> >> Ron_2nd.
> >> >
> >> > I for one will put up my hand to contribute with simple sample
> >> > programs if someone will do the co-ordination. My working day (I'm in
> >> > general practice in
> >> > Australia) starts at 7:30am and I finish around 6-630PM - it is so
> >> > long that
> >> > I have only a few hours at night for my life, so I can't volunteer the
> >> > co-ordination role.
> >> >
> >> > If someone could take responsibility for that, I'd be happy to be
> >> > organised
> >> > and asked to contribute.
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> >
> >> > Richard
> >>
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