[Gambas-user] We should offer online Gambas courses!
jbskaggs
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Tue Mar 31 03:26:20 CEST 2009
Thanks for the code!
JB
richard terry-5 wrote:
>
> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:49:37 am jbskaggs wrote:
>> Like I said I'd admin the site so I guess that's what you mean by
>> co-ordinate the samples.
>>
>> Ill setup a site tonite, so when you get a chance you can email me the
>> samples to just remove the spaces:
>
> Personally I think the samples should be part of a gambas program - an
> overview of gambas like I said wxPython demo does - and not part of a web
> site. I think there needs to be two parts of this
>
> 1) More detailed examples in the documentation wiki even for really simple
> things
>
> 2) Complete code examples as part of a larger demo included with the
> distribution of Gambas, and maintained as part of the source code in svn
>
> That way, if you or I get run over by a truck it is still there.
>
> Ive never experienced much joy looking for code on websites - it tends to
> be
> fragmented, difficult to maintain and I don't really want to contribute to
> it
> if that is the format.
>
> I enclose a screen dump of a very simple one for beginners (my code may be
> bad - so if so you can fix it), which shows the concept I think would
> work,
> and could be included as part of a whole demo. I've others I've done.
>
>
>>
>> jbskaggs @ skaggs world . com
>>
>> Im in the states but Im in the office from noon central time till about 4
>> or 5 am. I work and live children's home (used to be called orphanages)
>> so
>> at night have time to program and write etc. I'm the one who makes sure
>> kids don't run away, are comforted when scared or lonely, provide
>> counseling, that kind of thing.
>>
>> jb skaggs
>>
>> richard terry-5 wrote:
>> > On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 07:43:22 am Ron wrote:
>> >> richard terry wrote:
>> >> > On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 07:22:48 am jbskaggs wrote:
>> >> >> I would like to set up a online gambas school where the more
>> >>
>> >> experienced
>> >>
>> >> >> users and coders here could offer an online workshop on Gambas for
>> >> >> users.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Make it an affordable cost (Like a $0 to $25 a course, depending on
>> >> >> complexity, length, and time required. A course on making Forms
>> >> >> should be free, but a all inclusive course on writing a mmorpg in
>> >> >> gambas
>> >>
>> >> should
>> >>
>> >> >> have a fee attached) and offer a workshop for different
>> >> >> fundamentals:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I know for me a lot of Gambas is intuitive but much of it isn't.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Im thinking it could be setup on a moodle or someother workshop /
>> >>
>> >> class
>> >>
>> >> >> software. With online lessons and quizzes for free but to get the
>> >> >> actual coding graded it would require a live teacher to grade and
>> >> >> comment thereby why a nominal fee would be justified. I could even
>> >>
>> >> host
>> >>
>> >> >> the moodle site and help admin it but my programming knowledge is
>> so
>> >>
>> >> low
>> >>
>> >> >> I wouldn't make a good teacher. But I could help someone setup a
>> >>
>> >> course
>> >>
>> >> >> and host it and that person could charge a reasonable fee to teach
>> >> >> the course. (Though in the spirit of linux the less money the
>> >> >> better.)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> For example I would be willing to pay right now to be tutored in
>> how
>> >>
>> >> to
>> >>
>> >> >> reference, manipulate, and check objects and controls via code
>> >> >> (dynamically via nested loops and such). I read the documents- I
>> >> >> look at the examples and still I get the wrong impressions and
>> waste
>> >> >> hours and hours on many different controls or functions.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I helped setup an online bible college and the way it ran was every
>> >> >> course had a different instructor (or most did) and those
>> instructors
>> >> >> set their own prerequisites and graded assignments on their own
>> >>
>> >> schedule
>> >>
>> >> >> (within reason).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But the very basic courses were almost entirely automated - no need
>> >> >> to have heavy instructor interaction. But as the courses became
>> more
>> >> >> in depth then instructors became paramount. Because students
>> needed
>> >> >> to
>> >>
>> >> ask
>> >>
>> >> >> questions and yes other students could answer and even grade
>> (though
>> >> >> their gradings were subject to instructor override.)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I look at the number of basic questions on Nabbles and just think
>> >> >> that
>> >>
>> >> a
>> >>
>> >> >> systematic instruction courses would make gambas bloom even more.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Maybe something like:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 1- Setting up your Gambas
>> >> >> a. download and installation
>> >> >> b. Defining preferences and intro to Gambas
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2- Mastering the IDE interface:
>> >> >> a. creating projects, forms, simple control, saving,
>> compiling,
>> >>
>> >> and
>> >>
>> >> >> packaging
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 3- Gambas Programming fundamentals: A big unit broken into smaller
>> >> >> courses a. Forms
>> >> >> b. Controls
>> >> >> c. Assignments, Operators, Strings, Numbers, and Booleans
>> >> >> d. Comparisons, Loops, and nestings
>> >> >> e. Good programming, coding practices, and the Gambas
>> >> >> Programming language
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 4. Components: Another big unit
>> >> >> a. gb
>> >> >> b. gb.compress
>> >> >> c. gb.chart etc...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 5. FX
>> >> >> a. BMP, JPG, PNG, GIF, etc what they are. Editing and making
>> >>
>> >> them.
>> >>
>> >> >> b. Animations and movies
>> >> >> c. creating, editing, and sounds and music
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 6. Application specific courses:
>> >> >> a. How to write a text editor
>> >> >> b. How to write a scrolling shooter game etc and so on
>> >> >>
>> >> >> and so forth.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And of course offer a Certificates for completing the courses.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I know moodle and setting up the site would be easy- and if someone
>> >> >> wanted to teach a course I could setup the course, forums, and
>> >> >> quizzes etc. I could make some beginner courses on my own- but I
>> >> >> would need help with more advanced subjects.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Any thoughts? Objections? Volunteers?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> JB Skaggs
>> >> >
>> >> > Personally I think we should do what I've pushed for before -
>> include
>> >> > extensively commented sample code along with gambas. We could all
>> >> > contribute on our own level - have a look at the wxPython demo as
>> such
>> >>
>> >> an
>> >>
>> >> > sample code-base of how to use the language.
>> >> >
>> >> > Richard
>> >>
>> >> I agree, an example code/snippets site or part on the official wiki
>> for
>> >> it would be much better.
>> >>
>> >> Ron_2nd.
>> >
>> > I for one will put up my hand to contribute with simple sample programs
>> > if someone will do the co-ordination. My working day (I'm in general
>> > practice in
>> > Australia) starts at 7:30am and I finish around 6-630PM - it is so long
>> > that
>> > I have only a few hours at night for my life, so I can't volunteer the
>> > co-ordination role.
>> >
>> > If someone could take responsibility for that, I'd be happy to be
>> > organised
>> > and asked to contribute.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Richard
>> >
>> >>
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