[Gambas-user] Runtime

[Epíleg]

En/na Emil Tchekov ha escrit:
> There was (from the begining of modern computing on) the same discussion -
> 
> 1) do you need the last quant of speed, efficience, whole controle over
> ressources etc.
> 
> or
> 
> 2) do you wish fast and uncomplicated RESULTS
> 
> 
> You will pay for the first one with long hard work until you can get useable
> results.
> (Remember the best efficience is only reachable on machine level - I have
> heard /may be fairy tale/ that in the ROM of the spaceship Voyager /which is
> on trip trough the Milky Way with some demo of us - mankind/ there was round
> about 280 Bytes free after installing the OS. SO.. one of the programmers
> was able to write a Star-Light orientation routine (image recognition for
> star constelations) which fits in those 280 Bytes... In 2 Years...
> 
> 
> You will pay for the second one with some resources und may be with some
> unefficience or even need of runtime environment, but you can get working
> results within minutes...
> 
> Packing the runtime with the executable is space wasting from that moment
> on, after you have more than one app on your HDD...
> 
> 
> Very best regards
> 
> Emil
> 
> P.S. I will be the first user of language, that combines RAD with code&space
> efficience of Assembler ;-), but I am realist enough to know, that you can
> NOT have everything together...

I'm realist about this too, but we are talking about this because somebody has asked why Benoit chose bytecode compiling style.

Best regards,
Epíleg.

> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Von: gambas-user-bounces at lists.sourceforge.net
> [mailto:gambas-user-bounces at lists.sourceforge.net]Im Auftrag von Epíleg
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Mai 2008 13:35
> An: mailing list for gambas users
> Betreff: Re: [Gambas-user] Runtime
> 
> 
> En/na Benoit Minisini ha escrit:
>> On mercredi 21 mai 2008, Leonardo Miliani wrote:
>>> Kari Laine ha scritto:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I don't understand much about compilers - so I ask...
>>>>
>>>> Benoit, why you decided to use runtime instead making Gambas a "true"
>>>> compiler without the need for a runtime?
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards
>>>> Kari Laine
>>> Interesting question...
>>> I'm curios too ;-)
>> 1) Writing a compiler (like gcc) is too complex for me. Well, not really,
> but
>> I don't have the time to do that.
>>
>> 2) Writing an interpreter is easier, and allow more freedom. Writing its
> own
>> interpreter is a bit like writing its own CPU. The runtime is that CPU.
> The
>> last sentence is a shortcut, it is more complex, of course.
>>
>> 3) A program written in C/C++ has its "runtime" too, but you don't see it.
> gcc
>> links it to your program by default. The only difference is that the gcc
>> runtime (let's use that name for libc.so or libgcc_s.so) is always
> installed
>> by default. Not the Gambas runtime.
> 
> Very interesting but, if the Gambas runtime is writen in c/c++, this mean
> that Gambas add another abstraction layer between compiled gambas program
> and the hardware. In other words, Gambas runtime has also it's runtime too,
> the gcc one. Isn't it?
> 
> Best regards,
> Epíleg.
> 
>> 4) Installing the runtime would not be a problem with binary packages
>> correctly done and a modern packaging system.
>>
>> Other questions?
>>
> 
> 
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