[Gambas-user] make install 0.83

[Henri Girard]

Maybe it would be a good idea to make yum or apt rpms ? (redhat and fedora)
If it's not already done ?
Henri
----- Original Message -----
From: "ron" <ronstk at ...239...>
To: <gambas-user at lists.sourceforge.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Gambas-user] make install 0.83


> On Monday 09 February 2004 14:47, Rob wrote:
> > On Monday 09 February 2004 06:04, ron wrote:
> > > Gambas as platform to make programs is super and not to
> > > complex. Why can't it be for C to, the languge is not the bad
> > > thing but the stuff (environment) around it is to complex i
> > > think.
> >
> > When you get right down to it, C's function in modern operating
> > systems is that of a portable, slightly abstracted assembler.
> > Ultimately you're twiddling bits of memory directly, and you
> > call functions in shared libraries by (to oversimplify a bit)
> > loading them and jumping to predefined memory locations within
> > them.  This means that sometimes seemingly minor changes can
> > make everything blow up with a segv, and even bugfix releases
> > can introduce incompatibilities at the source level, especially
> > when the developer assumes that everyone is building everything
> > from scratch instead of installing packages.
> >
> > In your case, it sounds like you've been bitten by SuSE's lack of
> > a package manager with dependency handling that can deal with
> > packages not produced by SuSE.  Red Hat has it (apt-rpm or yum),
> > Mandrake has it (urpmi, which I even like better than apt),
> > Debian has it (apt).  With SuSE, and they're not the only
> > offender by any means, if you're not installing an official
> > package you're stuck in dependency hell.  And it sounds like
> > they don't really make newer versions of packages available for
> > older versions of SuSE (I can't blame them because of all the
> > regression testing that would need to happen.)
> >
> > I would suggest learning how to package your own RPM's for SuSE
> > and maybe even becoming SuSE's gambas maintainer, because I was
> > almost as much in the dark as you a year ago before I started
> > doing it for Mandrake.  (I even started my packaging based on an
> > old, obsolete SuSE source rpm, so it's not unheard of.)  You
> > could start by finding the source rpm of libcurl for SuSE 9.0
> > and see if you can build it for SuSE 8.2 by going rpm --rebuild
> > (or maybe rpmbuild --rebuild) libcurl-whatever.src.rpm.  If that
> > fails on you, email me and I'll see if I can help you out.
> >
> > But it sounds like you've solved your problem in the short term,
> > so all of this may be unnecessary for this version at least.
> >
> > > I did try Kdevelop but it's not so simple to write and run
> > > instant as gambas
> >
> > PerlQt with PQtDesigner isn't bad, and I actually prefer it for
> > some things (because it's perl ;) ) but it's not as easy or as
> > quick as gambas.
> >
> > Rob
> >
>
> Hi Rob,
>
> First alinea:
> I understand this part, it's needed to be able to run on different
platforms
> and distro's to.
>
> Second alinea:
> SuSE uses also RH rpm based files. That should not be the problem.
> With Yast, there install handler for rpm's, the problem is it can not see
what
> is installed with Kpackage and Kpackage not what is done by Yast.
> I understand this as fact.
>
> What I don't like is you are not able to uninstall with Yast  easy way.
> Yast start (un)install if you press the button 'Accept' and when Yast is
ready
> it close the window. Result about success or failure is not shown.
> You have to guess the results.
>
> If I try to install the lower version he says a newer version is already
> installed and that after I did uninstall of it before?.
> Lack of a force install here?
> I had this problem before with the C compiler, libxml2 and now with curl.
All
> where installed with Yast.
>
> That SuSE not releases new packages for old suse versions is to
understand.
>
> Third alinea:
> > I would suggest learning how to package your own RPM's for SuSE
> > and maybe even becoming SuSE's gambas maintainer, because I was
>
> You guess it. I wish I could help Benoit a bit. The idea to make the .rpm
for
> SuSE 8.2 and 9.0 isn't so bad but I can only test on 8.2.
> Two are possible, a binairy and a source.
> The binairy is nice for people to start instant with gambas. A global
layout
> what must be in the pack can be stolen from an other package from SuSE.
>
> For a source pack the question raises why. The .gz works o.k. sofar almost
> every time for every user out of the box.
> This time I was one of the few that had problems I could handle after the
good
> 0.8.0 till 0.8.2 results.
>
> For me is there an other question. I unpack it in /usr/local/src an do the
> compile and install as root (bad way i know). I don't have a guide rule if
it
> should be done in /usr/src or /usr/local/src. Both have a bin and when i
use
> the local path my trials are in /usr/local/bin and not poluting /usr/bin.
> Or should i use /home/myname/src (/root/src). I wish gambas for all users
> available (there is only one, thats me).
> Configure installs it in /opt/gambas and that sounds as global for all
users.
> I think for this part, linux rulez (SuSE rulez),  i'm a big newbie.
>
> Your suggestion to repack libcurl for SuSE 8.2 from source is also nice.
> The rpm is version 3.0.6 from RH on my system.
> rpm {--rebuild} [--rcfile <file>] [-v] source1.rpm ... sourceN.rpm
> I have a choice 7.10.5 (suse9.0) or the real one 7.11.x
> I need 7.10.2 to know where and what for suse8.2 (curl, yast depends on
it )
> i need 7.10.5 to know the connections between curl, crypt and ssl (??)
> i need 7.11.x to have the version for the net component.
> Versions before 7.10.6 is to low regarding Daniels comment.
> I will start the download for 7.11 and take a look.
> Ater all I have to repair the curl stuff anyway.
> The binairy should be still the original 7.10.2 but the -devel is from
7.10.5
>
> Any help is welcome, as I say before I am newbie for this system stuff.
> This is already again to long, I know, but I'm stand alone for this and
will
> forget the unwashed windows/fenster/ramen.
>
> Ron
>
>
>
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