[Fwd: Re: [Gambas-user] Questions]

Thu Dec 25 23:15:19 CET 2003

El jue, 25-12-2003 a las 23:14, Ken Schrock escribió:
> Appearantly a difference of opinion
> 
> I believe, even in this development stage environment
> It would have been nice to have milestones (say 0.48, 0.58, 0.68)
> So that all development work isn't like the dog chasing his tail
> 

 Yes, I agree in the fact that milestones and a well-defined roadmap
are important, but think that this kind of planification needs lots
of people working on it, so projets like Mozilla, KDE, or OpenOffice
can support it; but here and now more hands are needed to do it, for
instance, people becoming mantainers for old versions.

I think a more organized plan will come in a future, when this project
become more stable, used and known by many people.

> I also find it detractive to both Gambas' development and adaption
> That everybody not using Mandrake has to struggle to use it
> 

I also agree with this, but... where are the people doing this work? At
this moment there are mantainers for Mandrake, SUSE, and may be Debian?,
i'm not sure, so as I said in the previous point, I suppose some more
people will join to that project in the future, writing scripts for that
packages, and many other needed things...

> For something to improve, it needs critics as well as cheerleaders
> 

 Ah, yes, of course. I think the only point in which we disagree is that
I think it's not time yet for a massive use of that Basic
implementation, we should let it mature a little more, so programmers
can have a really stable and powerful environment. All the big changes
I've seen in the time I know Gambas has been the product of good ideas,
including all the big changes Benoît "ordered" me to the network
component. I mean Gambas is not YABI, (yet another Basic implementation
:), but an idea that's growing  and becoming almost perfect.

 The final idea is that other projects has been finally abandoned by
programmers, as big changes were made when lots of people were already
using it as an stable platform, and they had no time to change all they
had made (for instance VB6 -> VB.Net, not all programmers wants at all
to adapt its programs to that new technology); and of course I would
like to see packages for Fedora,Debian, and other distributions, but,
we need help to do it

Regards,

Daniel Campos 

> OMHO
> 
> On Thursday 25 December 2003 10:17 am, daniel wrote:
> > > At least the Lindows method allows some "standard"
> > > They had 0.53 and now 0.62, which is only two versions
> > > Except for the 20 people on this list who always have the "current" one
> > > Most of the folks out in the real world got whatever version they got
> > > And it is hard as hell writing software for 100 possible versions
> > >
> > > Gambas needs...
> > > 1. A real "stable" version for people to work against
> >
> > mmmhh... OK, but before you have an stable version, you need to program
> > it, and that's what people (mainly Benoît) is doing now, remember that
> > alpha and beta versions of any software are intended only for testing
> > pourposes, so I don't undestand at all why you need to program for 100
> > versions; just play with them and learn more about this new Basic. There
> > will be time in the future for a 1.0 version and big programs written
> > with that stable platform...
> >
> >  People of big companies like RedHat or Mandrake uses to put unstable
> > versions of new software: remember thar RedHat suffered a lot with its
> > 7.0 Linux distribution due to gcc and kernel, but there was not a
> > problem of gcc nor kernel people, they saw in big capital letters that
> > it was an unstable version, so there was possible changes and bugs. What
> > we should do now? Stop Gambas developement because Lindows folks decided
> > to include 0.53 in its distribution? Remember that Gambas people are not
> > Lindows employees, they (we) are trying to write a really good
> > developement tool, but it need more work, and changes if neccesary
> >
> > > 2. The ability to easily install on most major Linux distros
> >
> > Some people are working on it, you already have easy packages for
> > Mandrake, and other distributions will come soon, I suppose, as Benoît
> > has been adding lot of changes at MakeFiles to allow compile in
> > many distributions...
> >
> > > The "killer" would be a Win version
> > > Gambas is easy and powerful and logical
> > > It could be the oft promised but never delivered
> > > Holy grail of programming, a true cross platform development tool
> >
> > Yes, this is true, and Gambas-Cygwin begins to work. More people that
> > can help on it? They will be very welcome!
> >
> > Another possibility would be a Windows native version, but al least
> > all graphical part should be rewritten, as QT for Windows is not free at
> > all (may be the GTK or wxWindows component would be the cross-platform
> > answer), and of course all the network part using Winsock...
> >
> > But remember that Gambas, in fact, is already cross-platform, as it
> > begins to compile and run on Solaris and FreeBSD. I mean cross-platform
> > does not mean Windows-Linux at all (do not forget OS/2 is still alive in
> > many computers)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Daniel Campos
> >
> >
> >
> >
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