[Gambas-devel] Release of gambas 1.9.34

[Fabien Bodard]

Le Jeudi 20 Juillet 2006 00:04, Benoit Minisini a écrit :
> On Wednesday 19 July 2006 23:29, Ron Onstenk wrote:
> > On Wednesday 19 July 2006 13:08, Daniel Campos wrote:
> > > In fact there's a Stock class...
> > >
> > > 2006/7/18, Fabien Bodard <sirfabien at ...176...>:
> >
> > Nice, but how to use it?
> >
> > Maybe in the gnome/gtk world it is known for developers in C/C++
> > But how to expect simple mind kde/qt users using gambas while C/C++
> > is to cryptic for them are able to use it.
> >
> > Mostly programmers know very well how things are related and
> > how it (should) work, in there speciality environment.
> > Like me with a norton commander clone on a z80 based TRS80.
> > I do understand exactly what uncommented calls doing in that
> > program but the simple gambas user can have a very had time
> > to follow the source of the IDE.
it is a devel version :)
> > Of course it is optimized and the parts more then once are
> > transfered to a Sub/Function.
> >
> > A good help is when users can open the called/used class aside
> > the code they are inspecting.
> > I mean view them together without switching editors because that
> > distract them from the sofar understanding of the current part.
>
> It is true that there are not enough documentation and examples. I just do
> what I can, and I don't have the time to write all of them.
>
> > Same problem with XML and pdf.
> > The pdf example does simply do not work here.
>
> Which pdf example?
>
> > The object/class is unknown or expecting object xyz but got integer.
>
> ???
>
> > With XML I did also not have success.
> > A working/updated example for the current version of gambas would be
> > nice. I'm not able to create it because I do not have a clue how the
> > object construction of pdf/xml is implemented.
> >
> > For the project I'm working on I wished to use XML.
> > no luck
> > For the printing/email the bill I wanted to use the pdf part.
> > no luck
>
> The pdf component is not finished at all. It can display pdf pages, that's
> all.
>
> > The gb.form.db is not usable, (at least for me).
>
> Did you read the information in the gambas 1.9.25 release mail? Did you
> read the database example? There is a form which make use of all gb.form.db
> controls in it.
>
> > I can't simple put the controls on a form.
> > When I put a combobox/listbox on a form and try to fill them
> > in the form _new event the click/select events are fired,
> > just like the user has chosen something.
> > How to preset a value during new without the click/select event?
>
> Which version do yo use? This behaviour has been removed since a few one.
>
> > The fact you say 'In fact there's a Stock class' is telling enough.
> > Yes I have seen the 'Stock' class too.
>
> The Stock class is not documented because it is not terminated. Generally,
> I'm starting documenting things when I think their interface is stable,
> which is not the case there. See my other mail about Stock class.
>
> > Internal help and website say:
> >   Stock (gb.qt)
> >
> >   Symbols
> >   This class is static.
> >   This class acts like a read-only array.
> > ???????
> > 'read-only' array
> > At our repair centre we have also a stock.
> > It is filled with resistors, diodes, IC, and all those stuff in your PC.
> > But what does this stock contain?
> > This page say's effective nothing so why look futher.
> > I know what 'read-only' is there for no need to follow link
> > to read what read-only' is.
> >
> >
> > But I follow it, curious what to find there
> >
> >   Stock (gb.qt)
> >
> >   Syntax
> >   DIM hPicture AS Picture
> >   hPicture = Stock [ Key AS String ]
> >
> > ??????? is every thing called 'read-only' this?
> >
> >
> > OK Stock looks as array by the '[' and ']'.
> > But Key ?
> > If it is readonly then somewhere gambas must have prepared it with
> > content. Correct me when i'm wrong, maybe cups or samba does it :)
>
> "read-only" there means that you cannot use the syntax: Stock["xxx"] = yyy.
>
> > How do I know that key if I'm not able to add items to STOCK[].
> > Pleas remember, I'm a simple mind person.
>
> Key must have defined values, which must be written in a list. This list
> does not exist because I don't know what to put exactly in that stock yet.
> This is not simple becasue this list must be the same for gb.qt and gb.gtk,
> and must be translated in the real icon names of both components.
>
> > I have learned already now that readonly is
> >   DIM hPicture AS Picture
> >   hPicture = Stock [ Key AS String ]
> > So when there is somewhere told it is 'read-only' I understand it is
> > this.
> >
> > From Fabien:
> > About icons now... i've a question... isn't it possible to make a better
> > stock class that take the icon directly in the kde and gtk theme ?
>
> This is the goal :-)
This is what i say... i know how to do in  kde... but i've always some 
bugs .... i will join my trying ... it's not the final because i've not done 
the parsing part like Daniel. And there is a bug that crash all... (benoit un 
coup de pouce a un nul stp)

Normally for use the Stock or maybe Icon Class we will type :

Stock["size/name"]

ex:

Stock["menu/open"] = Stock["16/open"]

By luke the kde work look like to the gtk one...

My idea for stock will be different :
** this is important under kde style concern effect on icon too.
Stock.Style  = Stock.Custom

Stock.Size = 15
pic = Stock["open"]

it's more clear

and :

** this is like application.env ...
For each s in Stock
  pic = Stock[s]
next

>
> > How the hell he knows the stock has something to do with icons.
> > I have only resistors, diode etc in stock.
>
> This name comes from Daniel that implemented it first in gb.gtk, and took
> the name from the GTK+ library.
>
> > Well in my opinion a better stock class should then
> > in the completion box for the key give something as
> > 'stock.folder', 'stock.close', 'stock.myicon' or the class
> > should have it in the help like Align.xyz and Alignment.xyz.
>
> Maybe, but may constants have an higher cost that a key string.
and what about a _next that return the name of the icon name list ?




>
> > I can't remember all those fancy names KDE uses and not readable
> > in there own Select icon form.
> > See kde-icon-mess picture. Do you know what behind the dots?
> > And this is the only view possible, no details listing.
> >
> > In the pre v1 / v2 version it got in reviews so many compliments
> > about the embedded help, I wonder those reviewers still do.
> >
> > For those people saying do it yourself. Be realistic.
> > Benoit did work now for 4 years on it and did really a great job.
> > He designed the background system to make it possible to work with.
> >
> > When I (could) create the same and deliver the same but undocumented
> > and/or partial help you could also not use it for the 100% as
> > Benoit or I create the program had in mind during the development.
> >
> > This is a general problem with almost all software.
> > Lack of proper documentation or at least an explanation what the
> > intention is and how to basically use it.
> > When I add this explanations to the wiki I can in most
> > cases only guess what the meaning is, and be wrong!
> >
> > I'm a bit sad with the way gambas is going now.
>
> I am very aware of this problem. But this is just a lack of time. Sure if
> I'm payed to work on Gambas next year (Daniel? :-)) I will spend more time
> on documentation.
>
> Otherwise, the way gambas is going now is exactly the same as the way it is
> going from the beginning (or not?). I know what I want to put in Gambas
> almost since the beginning (see the roadmap freemind map) and I try to
> explain things a little when I release them.
>
> It just depends on my free time.
>
> If you want to know some precise things about some parts of Gambas, do ask.
> For example, I didn't know that you had problems with gb.db.form. Or 
maybecabn
> I missed your mail?

The principal problem on gb.db.form is to not have a graphical component to 
set the Connection.

If you have a minute can you tell me if you can do a columncombobox or mabe 
tell me what i can use to do it.
>
> > With all respect, gambas is goooooood
> >
> > Ron.
> >
> > PS sorry for the length but I had to ventilate it.
>
> Regards,

ouahou a true talk !!
*
Fabien