Re: About the last exchange on bugtracker

[Bruce Steers <bsteers4@xxxxxxxxx>]

I like the SDL2 idea.
I've often thought about a gambas toolkit using gb.sdl2 or gb.cairo.

Something that would work without any of the toolkits at all.
maybe it could import toolkit looks if required.
and otherwise be fully customizable.
Mind you I haven't seen how sdl2 works on wayland.

I feel for Benoit with GTK4, from what i read it's completely different
(incompatible) to GTK3 meaning a whole new component will need to be built
from the ground up.

The OP on the bugtracker i think just does not like the variance of linux
and prefers windows.

He even keeps complaining that it's absurd he has to add the gambas repo to
get the latest version because "we" have not updated the debian
repository!  I thought I'd explained why we couldn't update debian repo but
i don't think he's listening to reason.

Respects
BruceS


On Wed, 19 Nov 2025 at 14:55, Tim Dickson <dickson.tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> from Fabien's comments. it sounds a lot like SDL2 with a toolkit.
> steam client uses SDL2, presumably with a toolkit. that may give a
> starting point.
> that will give regular and accelerated graphics. The challange is
> interacting with other windows.
> wayland doesn't like that, so unless x-wayland is installed that will be
> a problem going forward.
> having said that, how does krdp work on wayland? there must be a way.
>
> SDL2 has advantages that it is well supported thanks to games, is cross
> platform and lgpl licensed
> so you can make commercial as well as OpenSource software without the
> instability of gtk platform or
> potential licensing costs of qt for non-opensource stuff.
>
> the challenge is that whatever lower level toolkit is used, it just
> becomes the replacement for gtk/qt4/5/6
>
> I agree with gbWilly, most stuff done under the name of "security" and
> "safety" just reduces your freedom to do what you want on your pc. uefi
> and secureboot is a classic example. your os is now time limited based
> on boot loader certs issues by microsoft if secure boot is enabled. if
> not, it is more involved to get a system to boot unless it still
> supports legacy boot, and with above 4g relocated graphics entry points
> from boot, classic boot is no longer as reliable.
> Software that refuses to run as root or patronises you telling you it is
> unsafe is somewhat annoying as well. I can see why they might warn a
> noob, but not everyone wants hand-holding.
> I also like os packages, which are distro specific and managed from one
> place, rather than the bloatware of "one package for all" of flatpacks
> and snaps and suchlike. I can see why people like the convenience but
> you loose the benefits of having up to date system libs, and get a
> slower program which may as well be statically compiled, and you are
> still dependent on some (gui) system libs that are different over
> different distros. You also have to put up with kludges for
> interconnectivity on the sandboxes of each program.
>
> oh well, hopefully gambas can manage through all the various system
> hurdles that get pushed as "the next greatest thing".
> regards, Tim
>
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