<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno mar 3 dic 2019 alle ore 22:49 Christof Thalhofer <<a href="mailto:chrisml@deganius.de">chrisml@deganius.de</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Am 03.12.19 um 18:13 schrieb Gianluigi:<br>
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> Christof,<br>
> are you sure that google is not boycotting you?<br>
> <br>
> :-(<br>
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No. It's boycotting you respective the mailinglist ...<br>
<br>
I maintain the mailinglist. Google is boycotting the Gambas mailinglists<br>
and I see that Gmail bounces mails from the mailinglist to Gmail<br>
accounts because I receive the bounces. For one mail that Google does<br>
not like (like your's with the attachment SpinFloat-0.0.1.tar.gz) I<br>
receive a lot of bounces, one for each member of the mailinglist with a<br>
Gmail account.<br>
<br>
I have no problem to receive your mail which contained<br>
SpinFloat-0.0.1.tar.gz because I have my own mailserver<br>
(<a href="http://degmail.deganius.de" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">degmail.deganius.de</a>). And if someone has a mail account at a *reliable<br>
provider* this one would also receive *every* mail from the mailinglist.<br>
<br>
Spam and fraud detection is expensive. Google says:<br>
<br>
"Attachment with tar.gz and something weird in it? I'll bounce it back<br>
and do not deliver it to my customer. If it contains a virus or not."<br>
<br>
That's cheap.<br>
<br>
Look. I handle with email for about 20 years for my firm and for other<br>
firms. Email is absolutely reliable, if done right. But what Google does<br>
makes me angry. First they say to everybody: "Come to us, you get a free<br>
email account with plenty of space."<br>
<br>
And then they make something *not reliable* out of email. And if you<br>
complain about that they say: "Upload files and folders to Google Drive<br>
[so that we can explore you]".<br>
<br>
<a href="https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6590?p=BlockedMessage&visit_id=637109081706241547-779792091&rd=1&hl=en" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6590?p=BlockedMessage&visit_id=637109081706241547-779792091&rd=1&hl=en</a><br>
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Fuck off, Google! They destroy email.<br>
<br>
The only thing I can recommend to everyone here is: If you want to have<br>
a working mailing list, use a reliable mail propvier and pay a few euro<br>
per year for it.<br>
<br>
Alles Gute<br>
<br>
Christof Thalhofer<br>
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Dies ist keine Signatur<br>
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