From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Tue Nov  1 02:51:22 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 21:51:22 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Beta testing - Photo organizer.
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 <27164284-5303-8f9c-85ad-f5c63f6a58cb@belmotek.net>
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On 10/31/22 17:33, Bruce Steers wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 at 23:11, Martin <mbelmonte at belmotek.net <mailto:mbelmonte at belmotek.net>> wrote:
> 
>     El 29/10/22 a las 20:59, T Lee Davidson escribi?:
> 
> 
>      ?> The application now launches with no errors. But, I am unable to test
>      ?> it any further because selecting "Computer" from the drop-down does
>      ?> not show devices and Dialog.SelectDirectory does not allow for
>      ?> entering a location manually. I would need to enter a location using
>      ?> Media Transfer Protocol (MTP).
> 
>     What graphics library is the desktop you are using based on? GTK, QT
>     other? I'm using Manjaro GTK then I see the devices on the dialog box.
>     maybe if you are using qt based try to switch to to "qt" components.
> 
> 
> 
> Have you tried adding gb.dialog component and see if the enhanced dialog works better?
> 
> failing that it won't take long to make a custom selection dialog.
> 
> Respects
> BruceS

I think you meant gb.form.dialog. :-)


-- 
Lee


From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Wed Nov  2 20:46:16 2022
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 20:46:16 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Beta testing - Photo organizer.
In-Reply-To: <54430078-77ab-dc15-9521-e5efc00d81b3@gmail.com>
References: <304fe999-791e-8544-23e6-7b132ef91150@belmotek.net>
 <fc330bf9-9fa4-b6c3-6576-efd7162b2167@gmail.com>
 <27164284-5303-8f9c-85ad-f5c63f6a58cb@belmotek.net>
 <54430078-77ab-dc15-9521-e5efc00d81b3@gmail.com>
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El 31/10/22 a las 20:59, T Lee Davidson escribi?:
> The filename of the shared libexif library on my system is 
> 'libexif.so.12'. I had to change line 30 in Meta.module like so:
> Library "libexif:12"
Here: 
https://www.gambas-it.org/wiki/index.php/Extern:_richiamare_funzioni_esterne_a_Gambas
It is possible call the library without version number.
?Why in your system is necessary specify the version? ?maybe yo have 
more versions?

From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Wed Nov  2 20:52:04 2022
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 20:52:04 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Beta testing - Photo organizer.
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCDSP8SFHXogExAfRPrKxkJGz-D1YY0Or2SW650E_NXivg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <304fe999-791e-8544-23e6-7b132ef91150@belmotek.net>
 <fc330bf9-9fa4-b6c3-6576-efd7162b2167@gmail.com>
 <27164284-5303-8f9c-85ad-f5c63f6a58cb@belmotek.net>
 <CABuQYCDSP8SFHXogExAfRPrKxkJGz-D1YY0Or2SW650E_NXivg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20f1c226-dae1-1e96-8773-7a3fa5dbf259@belmotek.net>

El 31/10/22 a las 22:33, Bruce Steers escribi?:
> Have you tried adding gb.dialog component and see if the enhanced dialog
> works better?
> 
> failing that it won't take long to make a custom selection dialog.
I will try it.

Note: This is a earlier alpha version so I don't recommend touch 
directly the internal camera or smartphone memory there is some risk to 
loose all the files. is safer "copy" manually first to temp directory to 
work whit it.


From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Wed Nov  2 21:08:07 2022
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 21:08:07 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Beta testing - Photo organizer.
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCDSP8SFHXogExAfRPrKxkJGz-D1YY0Or2SW650E_NXivg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <304fe999-791e-8544-23e6-7b132ef91150@belmotek.net>
 <fc330bf9-9fa4-b6c3-6576-efd7162b2167@gmail.com>
 <27164284-5303-8f9c-85ad-f5c63f6a58cb@belmotek.net>
 <CABuQYCDSP8SFHXogExAfRPrKxkJGz-D1YY0Or2SW650E_NXivg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <29989f2d-4d01-2dc8-a4c7-4dde59bb88f6@belmotek.net>

El 31/10/22 a las 22:33, Bruce Steers escribi?:
> Have you tried adding gb.dialog component and see if the enhanced dialog
> works better?
> failing that it won't take long to make a custom selection dialog.
gb.form.dialog doesn't work for me also, is not possible to select the 
USB devices like smartphones or cameras.
In the system (in my case XFCE, buy GTK3 dialog is possible manage the 
devices connected)

So, the solution will be a custom dialog form but there are the problem 
of show and "activate"[1] the device before use it.

[1] Is necessary to handle the USB devices, mount, umount etc. it I 
don't know how to do that.


From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  2 23:19:51 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 22:19:51 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Beta testing - Photo organizer.
In-Reply-To: <29989f2d-4d01-2dc8-a4c7-4dde59bb88f6@belmotek.net>
References: <304fe999-791e-8544-23e6-7b132ef91150@belmotek.net>
 <fc330bf9-9fa4-b6c3-6576-efd7162b2167@gmail.com>
 <27164284-5303-8f9c-85ad-f5c63f6a58cb@belmotek.net>
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On Wed, 2 Nov 2022, 20:08 Martin, <mbelmonte at belmotek.net> wrote:

> El 31/10/22 a las 22:33, Bruce Steers escribi?:
> > Have you tried adding gb.dialog component and see if the enhanced dialog
> > works better?
> > failing that it won't take long to make a custom selection dialog.
> gb.form.dialog doesn't work for me also, is not possible to select the
> USB devices like smartphones or cameras.
> In the system (in my case XFCE, buy GTK3 dialog is possible manage the
> devices connected)
>
> So, the solution will be a custom dialog form but there are the problem
> of show and "activate"[1] the device before use it.
>
> [1] Is necessary to handle the USB devices, mount, umount etc. it I
> don't know how to do that.
>

Maybe with dbus?
Check out this application...
https://forum.gambas.one/viewtopic.php?p=6032#p6032

That has in it a folder with classes to manage/mount/unmount and react to
device changes using dbus

It has many device functions and it also detects signals about drive
changing.
(I have not really explored it's full potential)

Written by Fabien Boddard (I think, I am not home to check)
It was never fully finished for inclusion with Gambas and it's undocumented
but it has many uses as you will see. Possibly will help with those needs
you have.

You'll have to study my source for example of usage.

Best of luck.

BruceS

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From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 00:09:29 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 19:09:29 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Beta testing - Photo organizer.
In-Reply-To: <cfebc3b5-4f7b-1008-0725-5866f91daeb3@belmotek.net>
References: <304fe999-791e-8544-23e6-7b132ef91150@belmotek.net>
 <fc330bf9-9fa4-b6c3-6576-efd7162b2167@gmail.com>
 <27164284-5303-8f9c-85ad-f5c63f6a58cb@belmotek.net>
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 <cfebc3b5-4f7b-1008-0725-5866f91daeb3@belmotek.net>
Message-ID: <68ec9d52-4165-fcb7-cc6b-9f63bbcc9843@gmail.com>

On 11/2/22 15:46, Martin wrote:
> El 31/10/22 a las 20:59, T Lee Davidson escribi?:
>> The filename of the shared libexif library on my system is 'libexif.so.12'. I had to change line 30 in Meta.module like so:
>> Library "libexif:12"
> Here: https://www.gambas-it.org/wiki/index.php/Extern:_richiamare_funzioni_esterne_a_Gambas
> It is possible call the library without version number.
> ?Why in your system is necessary specify the version? ?maybe yo have more versions?

There is only one version installed on my system:
ll /usr/lib64/libexif*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     17 Mar 31  2022 /usr/lib64/libexif.so.12 -> libexif.so.12.3.4
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 289880 Mar 31  2022 /usr/lib64/libexif.so.12.3.4

Specifying the library without the version number does not work on my system.


-- 
Lee


From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 00:12:47 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 19:12:47 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Beta testing - Photo organizer.
In-Reply-To: <29989f2d-4d01-2dc8-a4c7-4dde59bb88f6@belmotek.net>
References: <304fe999-791e-8544-23e6-7b132ef91150@belmotek.net>
 <fc330bf9-9fa4-b6c3-6576-efd7162b2167@gmail.com>
 <27164284-5303-8f9c-85ad-f5c63f6a58cb@belmotek.net>
 <CABuQYCDSP8SFHXogExAfRPrKxkJGz-D1YY0Or2SW650E_NXivg@mail.gmail.com>
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On 11/2/22 16:08, Martin wrote:
> So, the solution will be a custom dialog form but there are the problem of?show?and?"activate"[1]?the?device?before?use?it.
> 
> [1] Is necessary to handle the USB devices, mount, umount etc. it I don't?know?how?to?do?that.

It should not be necessary to handle the mount status of the USB devices. That should be handled by the operating system or 
manually by the user.

Indeed, when using GTK3, the devices are listed in the dialog. With Qt5, they are not for whatever reason.


-- 
Lee


From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 00:14:13 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2022 09:44:13 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Beta testing - Photo organizer.
In-Reply-To: <68ec9d52-4165-fcb7-cc6b-9f63bbcc9843@gmail.com>
References: <304fe999-791e-8544-23e6-7b132ef91150@belmotek.net>
 <fc330bf9-9fa4-b6c3-6576-efd7162b2167@gmail.com>
 <27164284-5303-8f9c-85ad-f5c63f6a58cb@belmotek.net>
 <54430078-77ab-dc15-9521-e5efc00d81b3@gmail.com>
 <cfebc3b5-4f7b-1008-0725-5866f91daeb3@belmotek.net>
 <68ec9d52-4165-fcb7-cc6b-9f63bbcc9843@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <93567d3a-b714-c5b8-37da-15dda53df78f@gmail.com>


On 3/11/22 9:39 am, T Lee Davidson wrote:
> On 11/2/22 15:46, Martin wrote:
>> El 31/10/22 a las 20:59, T Lee Davidson escribi?:
>>> The filename of the shared libexif library on my system is 
>>> 'libexif.so.12'. I had to change line 30 in Meta.module like so:
>>> Library "libexif:12"
>> Here: 
>> https://www.gambas-it.org/wiki/index.php/Extern:_richiamare_funzioni_esterne_a_Gambas
>> It is possible call the library without version number.
>> ?Why in your system is necessary specify the version? ?maybe yo have 
>> more versions?
>
> There is only one version installed on my system:
> ll /usr/lib64/libexif*
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root???? 17 Mar 31? 2022 /usr/lib64/libexif.so.12 -> 
> libexif.so.12.3.4
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 289880 Mar 31? 2022 /usr/lib64/libexif.so.12.3.4
>
> Specifying the library without the version number does not work on my 
> system.
>
>
So, create a link like the /usr/lib64/libexif.so.12 one.

cd /usr/lib64

ln -s libexif.so.12.3.4 libexif.so


b


From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Thu Nov  3 00:43:48 2022
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2022 00:43:48 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Beta testing - Photo organizer.
In-Reply-To: <68ec9d52-4165-fcb7-cc6b-9f63bbcc9843@gmail.com>
References: <304fe999-791e-8544-23e6-7b132ef91150@belmotek.net>
 <fc330bf9-9fa4-b6c3-6576-efd7162b2167@gmail.com>
 <27164284-5303-8f9c-85ad-f5c63f6a58cb@belmotek.net>
 <54430078-77ab-dc15-9521-e5efc00d81b3@gmail.com>
 <cfebc3b5-4f7b-1008-0725-5866f91daeb3@belmotek.net>
 <68ec9d52-4165-fcb7-cc6b-9f63bbcc9843@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <31c7f17a-8545-4e1b-36d7-646c0d84d9b5@belmotek.net>

El 3/11/22 a las 0:09, T Lee Davidson escribi?:
> There is only one version installed on my system:
> ll /usr/lib64/libexif*
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root???? 17 Mar 31? 2022 /usr/lib64/libexif.so.12 -> 
> libexif.so.12.3.4
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 289880 Mar 31? 2022 /usr/lib64/libexif.so.12.3.4
> 
> Specifying the library without the version number does not work on my 
> system.
> 
ok, I have:
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     17 nov 26  2021 /usr/lib/libexif.so -> 
libexif.so.12.3.4
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     17 nov 26  2021 /usr/lib/libexif.so.12 -> 
libexif.so.12.3.4
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 321288 nov 26  2021 /usr/lib/libexif.so.12.3.4

You have not the no-version .so file

Solutionns:
1) OpenSuse ( or all rpm based? ) Create the link /usr/lib/libexif.so in 
the system
ln -s /usr/lib/libexif.so.12.3.4 /usr/lib/libexif.so

2) For all systems that have the link /usr/lib/libexif.so.12 use the 
sentence Library "libexif:12"

Solutions 2 works for me also then, I`ll change the code to Library 
"libexif:12"




From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 02:19:01 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 21:19:01 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Beta testing - Photo organizer.
In-Reply-To: <93567d3a-b714-c5b8-37da-15dda53df78f@gmail.com>
References: <304fe999-791e-8544-23e6-7b132ef91150@belmotek.net>
 <fc330bf9-9fa4-b6c3-6576-efd7162b2167@gmail.com>
 <27164284-5303-8f9c-85ad-f5c63f6a58cb@belmotek.net>
 <54430078-77ab-dc15-9521-e5efc00d81b3@gmail.com>
 <cfebc3b5-4f7b-1008-0725-5866f91daeb3@belmotek.net>
 <68ec9d52-4165-fcb7-cc6b-9f63bbcc9843@gmail.com>
 <93567d3a-b714-c5b8-37da-15dda53df78f@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a0229f6-df0c-a28a-c484-609823d2bfda@gmail.com>

On 11/2/22 19:14, BB wrote:
> So,?create?a?link?like?the?/usr/lib64/libexif.so.12?one.
> 
> cd?/usr/lib64
> 
> ln?-s?libexif.so.12.3.4?libexif.so
> 
> 
> b
> 

Yes, a user could do that. But, should a user be expected to modify his system to accommodate an application? Or, should it be 
the other way around?


-- 
Lee


From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 02:39:12 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2022 12:09:12 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Beta testing - Photo organizer.
In-Reply-To: <2a0229f6-df0c-a28a-c484-609823d2bfda@gmail.com>
References: <304fe999-791e-8544-23e6-7b132ef91150@belmotek.net>
 <fc330bf9-9fa4-b6c3-6576-efd7162b2167@gmail.com>
 <27164284-5303-8f9c-85ad-f5c63f6a58cb@belmotek.net>
 <54430078-77ab-dc15-9521-e5efc00d81b3@gmail.com>
 <cfebc3b5-4f7b-1008-0725-5866f91daeb3@belmotek.net>
 <68ec9d52-4165-fcb7-cc6b-9f63bbcc9843@gmail.com>
 <93567d3a-b714-c5b8-37da-15dda53df78f@gmail.com>
 <2a0229f6-df0c-a28a-c484-609823d2bfda@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fd64e290-1687-ead2-6da2-6659b3bf317d@gmail.com>


On 3/11/22 11:49 am, T Lee Davidson wrote:
> On 11/2/22 19:14, BB wrote:
>> So,?create?a?link?like?the?/usr/lib64/libexif.so.12?one.
>>
>> cd?/usr/lib64
>>
>> ln?-s?libexif.so.12.3.4?libexif.so
>>
>>
>> b
>>
>
> Yes, a user could do that. But, should a user be expected to modify 
> his system to accommodate an application? Or, should it be the other 
> way around?
>
Well, the problem is not the user or the distro (per se), its the people 
who package the libraries for the distro who wont conform to a 
"standard" set of links.

Many years ago on another distro I had to create dozens of these links 
to get many things to compile and link, including gambas.

But you're right. It shouldn't be the users job, the program should find 
any library it requires as long as it is installed.

b


From jose.rodriguez at cenpalab.cu  Thu Nov  3 03:59:09 2022
From: jose.rodriguez at cenpalab.cu (jose.rodriguez at cenpalab.cu)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2022 22:59:09 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Beta testing - Photo organizer.
In-Reply-To: <31c7f17a-8545-4e1b-36d7-646c0d84d9b5@belmotek.net>
References: <304fe999-791e-8544-23e6-7b132ef91150@belmotek.net>
 <fc330bf9-9fa4-b6c3-6576-efd7162b2167@gmail.com>
 <27164284-5303-8f9c-85ad-f5c63f6a58cb@belmotek.net>
 <54430078-77ab-dc15-9521-e5efc00d81b3@gmail.com>
 <cfebc3b5-4f7b-1008-0725-5866f91daeb3@belmotek.net>
 <68ec9d52-4165-fcb7-cc6b-9f63bbcc9843@gmail.com>
 <31c7f17a-8545-4e1b-36d7-646c0d84d9b5@belmotek.net>
Message-ID: <360c51ec23f4abbe7e6dce7a45a598a2@cenpalab.cu>

On 2022-11-02 19:43, Martin wrote:
> El 3/11/22 a las 0:09, T Lee Davidson escribi?:
>> There is only one version installed on my system:
>> ll /usr/lib64/libexif*
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root???? 17 Mar 31? 2022 /usr/lib64/libexif.so.12 -> 
>> libexif.so.12.3.4
>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 289880 Mar 31? 2022 
>> /usr/lib64/libexif.so.12.3.4
>> 
>> Specifying the library without the version number does not work on my 
>> system.
>> 
> ok, I have:
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     17 nov 26  2021 /usr/lib/libexif.so ->
> libexif.so.12.3.4
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     17 nov 26  2021 /usr/lib/libexif.so.12 ->
> libexif.so.12.3.4
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 321288 nov 26  2021 /usr/lib/libexif.so.12.3.4
> 
> You have not the no-version .so file
> 
> Solutionns:
> 1) OpenSuse ( or all rpm based? ) Create the link /usr/lib/libexif.so
> in the system
> ln -s /usr/lib/libexif.so.12.3.4 /usr/lib/libexif.so
> 
> 2) For all systems that have the link /usr/lib/libexif.so.12 use the
> sentence Library "libexif:12"
> 
> Solutions 2 works for me also then, I`ll change the code to Library 
> "libexif:12"
> 
> 


I have not seen the code (no available time at the moment) so I don't 
know how the library is used, but if you need to check on the presence 
of a library and it's links, you can use the following and do some 
parsing on the result, hope it helps:

joe1962 at minthome:~$ ldconfig -p | grep libexif
	libexif.so.12 (libc6,x86-64) => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libexif.so.12

Regards,
Joe1962


From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 07:07:00 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2022 16:37:00 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] BUG: gb.db.postgres doesn't handle partitioned tables
Message-ID: <42c4a43b-532c-a9cc-7eff-51faf4a8f4d9@gmail.com>

Beno?t,

One of our databases has grown so large that we have partitioned several 
tables to get some efficiency going. Having done that I find that the 
postgres component doesn't find the partitioned table and only "sees" 
the actual partitions.

However ?, there are only 4 changes that need to be made in the 
*main.c* class in the gb.db.postgres component to solve this problem. 
They are changes to the queries used to handle the metadata. These 
changes are:

*table_exist() function
*

change the 2 queries to:

 ??? const char *query =
 ??? ??? "select relname from pg_class where (relkind in ('r', 'v', 'm', 'p')) "
 ??? ??? "and (relname = '&1') "
 ??? ??? "and (relnamespace not in (select oid from pg_namespace where nspname = 'information_schema'))";

 ??? const char *query_schema =
 ??? ??? "select relname from pg_class where (relkind in ('r', 'v', 'm', 'p')) "
 ??? ??? "and (relname = '&1') "
 ??? ??? "and (relnamespace in (select oid from pg_namespace where nspname = '&2'))";

*table_is_system() function*

change the query to

	const char *query =
		"select 1 from pg_class where (relkind in ('r', 'v', 'm', 'p')) "
		"and (relname = '&1') "
		"and (relnamespace in (select oid from pg_namespace where nspname = 'pg_catalog'))";**

*table_list_73() function
*

change the query to

	const char *query =
		"select pg_class.relname,pg_namespace.nspname from pg_class,pg_namespace where (relkind in ('r', 'v', 'm', 'p')) "
		"and (pg_namespace.oid = pg_class.relnamespace) "
		"and (pg_namespace.oid not in (select oid from pg_namespace where nspname = 'information_schema'))";

I have checked the queries and they all work in various postgres 
versions. I have also made these changes locally and it now works fine. 
Hope you can find the time to put these in the system.

By way of explanation, the partitioned tables have a relkind of 'p' 
which wasn't being included in the queries, so it was a simple matter of 
including them.

regards

bruce

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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Thu Nov  3 12:36:41 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2022 12:36:41 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] BUG: gb.db.postgres doesn't handle partitioned
 tables
In-Reply-To: <42c4a43b-532c-a9cc-7eff-51faf4a8f4d9@gmail.com>
References: <42c4a43b-532c-a9cc-7eff-51faf4a8f4d9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <05b3060e-6baf-96df-c1aa-4ac29e2dc177@gambas-basic.org>

Le 03/11/2022 ? 07:07, BB a ?crit?:
> Beno?t,
> 
> One of our databases has grown so large that we have partitioned several 
> tables to get some efficiency going. Having done that I find that the 
> postgres component doesn't find the partitioned table and only "sees" 
> the actual partitions.
> 
> However ?, there are only 4 changes that need to be made in the 
> *main.c* class in the gb.db.postgres component to solve this problem. 
> They are changes to the queries used to handle the metadata. These 
> changes are:
> 
 > [...]

OK, I will merge that.

I hope you are sure that everything is OK with these new tables! :-)

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 12:34:28 2022
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2022 12:34:28 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Error in gb.report2
In-Reply-To: <70982f2f-0246-05af-afaa-20e08557ff72@libero.it>
References: <5f4f2bd7-22ea-4c68-9118-be413cd14957@gmail.com>
 <de894458-603c-94ff-5c93-45d102196b90@gambas-basic.org>
 <fdb1579a-2438-81ea-d951-953d98095d27@libero.it>
 <70982f2f-0246-05af-afaa-20e08557ff72@libero.it>
Message-ID: <CAFkCsL6hpTR74-58hrUp24F6NcVbRNtbGP-bxyev-iWqGSnm5Q@mail.gmail.com>

I have already corrected this bug in the master branche.. no ?

Le ven. 28 oct. 2022 ? 14:02, gian via User <user at lists.gambas-basic.org> a
?crit :

> Il 28/10/22 13:47, gian via User ha scritto:
> > Il 28/10/22 11:29, Benoit Minisini ha scritto:
> >> I don't understand all your english, but I think only Fabien can
> >> answer these questions correctly. I guess ReportLabel is just for a
> >> simple text, and ReportTextLabel for rich text (HTML-like).
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> --
> >> Beno?t Minisini.
> >
> >
> > Hi Benoit,
> >
> > I think I figured out what happened: if you try the LoremReport (or
> > ReportTest) project on a virtual without having a printer installed and
> > type a number in TextBox Page you get the error in the image
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Gianluigi
>
> I posted the wrong image :-(
>
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From bagoneo at libero.it  Thu Nov  3 13:47:17 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2022 13:47:17 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Error in gb.report2
In-Reply-To: <CAFkCsL6hpTR74-58hrUp24F6NcVbRNtbGP-bxyev-iWqGSnm5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5f4f2bd7-22ea-4c68-9118-be413cd14957@gmail.com>
 <de894458-603c-94ff-5c93-45d102196b90@gambas-basic.org>
 <fdb1579a-2438-81ea-d951-953d98095d27@libero.it>
 <70982f2f-0246-05af-afaa-20e08557ff72@libero.it>
 <CAFkCsL6hpTR74-58hrUp24F6NcVbRNtbGP-bxyev-iWqGSnm5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2d5ae7cb-503f-b0d5-39e0-75b86a4ad2ae@libero.it>

Il 03/11/22 12:34, Fabien Bodard ha scritto:
> I have already corrected this bug in the master branche.. no ?

Hi Fabien,

Angel was referring to this:

[System]
Gambas=3.17.3
OperatingSystem=Linux
Kernel=5.10.0-18-amd64
Architecture=x86_64
Distribution=debian 11.5
Desktop=MATE
Font=Serif,11
Scale=8
Theme=traditionalgreen
Language=es_ES.UTF-8
Memory=15980M

Regards

Gianluigi


From bagoneo at libero.it  Thu Nov  3 23:52:13 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2022 23:52:13 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
Message-ID: <fbd69270-a024-314c-577b-901139d3f850@libero.it>

Hi Benoit,

my wife wanted to have on her desktop, a clock (type alarm clock), as 
simple as the one she has on her nightstand, but nice as an day-date 
clock, with the moon phase, and that started automatically with the 
Linux session.

On the Farm named mdDDclock (moon phase Day Date clock) is the result of 
my work.

It can only work if the Gambas IDE is installed (it have to run an 
executable).

Is there any way to create a project that starts automatically without 
having to install the IDE ?

Thank you and regards

Gianluigi

From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 03:56:18 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 02:56:18 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
In-Reply-To: <fbd69270-a024-314c-577b-901139d3f850@libero.it>
References: <fbd69270-a024-314c-577b-901139d3f850@libero.it>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCCpUdp3FP=iPMWnPiH6MotGf5oWApS8FZfoi=QyfB-UKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Gian, I use the following bash script with some of my applications to
compile without the IDE...
It offers to compile the exe and optionally make a desktop icon.

It is run from the project folder and makes the exe there (and the desktop
icon will use the same location)

it uses gbc3 and gba3 to compile so they need to be installed and of course
the components required for the application. not the IDE
(it also uses zenity for Messages)

it takes into account PublicModule and PublicControl options (handles old
and new method to pass the options to the compiler)
it also passes -wax flags

Maybe what you need.
Unless you need "AutoStart" (if so, read below)

----------------------------------------------
#!/usr/bin/env bash

# Get application directory and name
WD=${0%/*}
AppName=${WD##*/}

source $HOME/.config/user-dirs.dirs
DESK=$XDG_DESKTOP_DIR

REP=$(zenity --question --width=400 --extra-button='Just Compile'
--cancel-label="Abort" --ok-label="Do it" --text="Compile $AppName.gambas
in...\n$WD\n\nThen create a Desktop Launcher in...\n$XDG_DESKTOP_DIR
?\n\n(Launcher will run $AppName from this location)")
ERR=$?

if [ -z "$REP" ]; then
  if [ $ERR -eq 1 ]; then exit; fi
fi

cd "$WD"

ControlPublic=0
ModulePublic=0
eval $(cat .project|grep Public)

KeepDebugInfo=1
eval $(cat .project|grep KeepDebugInfo)

echo "Compiling gambas executable..."
FLG="-wax"
MODE="-f"
CHK=$(gbc3 --help| grep public-module| awk {'print $1'})
if [[ $CHK != "-f" ]]; then
MODE="-"
fi
if [ $KeepDebugInfo -eq 1 ]; then FLG="$FLG"g; fi
if [ $ControlPublic -eq 1 ]; then FLG="$FLG "$MODE"public-control"; fi
if [ $ModulePublic -eq 1 ]; then FLG="$FLG "$MODE"public-module"; fi

gbc3 $FLG
gba3

if [ $ERR -eq 1 ]; then exit; fi

echo "Making launcher..."

# try to get icon from .project file or use default
IC=$(cat "$WD/.project" |grep Icon=)

if [ -z "$IC" ]; then Icon=".icon.png"; else Icon=${IC##*=}; fi

echo "[Desktop Entry]
Type=Application
Name=$AppName
Icon=$WD/$Icon
Exec=$WD/$AppName.gambas" >"$XDG_DESKTOP_DIR/$AppName.desktop"

chmod +x "$XDG_DESKTOP_DIR/$AppName.desktop"

zenity --info --width=400 --text="All Done,
$XDG_DESKTOP_DIR/$AppName.desktop created."
----------------------------------


But that is to compile without IDE not "Autostart"

Here's my gambas code for making an application auto-start at computer boot
up...
IsAutoStarted(True) tests if autostart is available (probably) should work
for mate/gnome/kde, possibly others
MNU_Startup_Click() is a toggle menu to toggle autostart.

-------------------------------

Public Sub IsAutoStarted(Optional bTest As Boolean) As Boolean

  If Not AutoStartFile Then
    AutoStartFolder = User.Home &/ If(GetDesktop() Like "KDE*",
".kde/Autostart", ".config/autostart")
    AutoStartFile = File.Name(Args[0])
    If File.Ext(AutoStartFile) <> "gambas" Then AutoStartFile &= ".gambas"
    AutoStartFile &= ".desktop"
  Endif

  If bTest Then Return Exist(AutoStartFolder)

  Return Exist(AutoStartFolder &/ AutoStartFile)

End

Public Sub MNU_Startup_Click()

  If Not IsAutoStarted(True) Then Error.Raise("Cannot set AutoStart")

  If Last.Value Then
    Dim sMe As String = Application.Path &/ File.Name(Args[0])
    If File.Ext(sMe) <> "gambas" Then sMe &= ".gambas"

    Dim sData As String = "[Desktop Entry]\nType=Application\nExec="
    sData &= sMe & "\nHidden=false\nName=" & Application.Name
    sData &=
"\nX-MATE-Autostart-enabled=true\nX-MATE-Autostart-Delay=5\nX-GNOME-Autostart-Delay=5"
    File.Save(AutoStartFolder &/ AutoStartFile, sData)
  Else
    Kill AutoStartFolder &/ AutoStartFile
  Endif

Catch
  Message.Error("Error!\n" & Error.Text)

End

-------------------------

Best of luck
BruceS


On Thu, 3 Nov 2022 at 22:53, gian via User <user at lists.gambas-basic.org>
wrote:

> Hi Benoit,
>
> my wife wanted to have on her desktop, a clock (type alarm clock), as
> simple as the one she has on her nightstand, but nice as an day-date
> clock, with the moon phase, and that started automatically with the
> Linux session.
>
> On the Farm named mdDDclock (moon phase Day Date clock) is the result of
> my work.
>
> It can only work if the Gambas IDE is installed (it have to run an
> executable).
>
> Is there any way to create a project that starts automatically without
> having to install the IDE ?
>
> Thank you and regards
>
> Gianluigi
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 08:26:49 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 17:56:49 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] weird line in console
Message-ID: <39ef3d11-19ef-d2be-392c-0537f9083c22@gmail.com>

QXcbClipboard: Unable to receive an event from the clipboard manager in a reasonable time

This appears on a random basis after closing a running project from 
within the IDE. I really don't understand why, when I am not using the 
clipboard in any way?

Has anyone seen this? Any clues?

b


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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Fri Nov  4 11:12:40 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 11:12:40 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
In-Reply-To: <fbd69270-a024-314c-577b-901139d3f850@libero.it>
References: <fbd69270-a024-314c-577b-901139d3f850@libero.it>
Message-ID: <e69f88df-232b-df25-cd62-5bf4bbfeb7d2@gambas-basic.org>

Le 03/11/2022 ? 23:52, gian via User a ?crit?:
> Hi Benoit,
> 
> my wife wanted to have on her desktop, a clock (type alarm clock), as 
> simple as the one she has on her nightstand, but nice as an day-date 
> clock, with the moon phase, and that started automatically with the 
> Linux session.
> 
> On the Farm named mdDDclock (moon phase Day Date clock) is the result of 
> my work.
> 
> It can only work if the Gambas IDE is installed (it have to run an 
> executable).
> 
> Is there any way to create a project that starts automatically without 
> having to install the IDE ?
> 

I don't understand: you never need the IDE to run a Gambas executable. 
You just need the runtime.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Fri Nov  4 11:14:24 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 11:14:24 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] weird line in console
In-Reply-To: <39ef3d11-19ef-d2be-392c-0537f9083c22@gmail.com>
References: <39ef3d11-19ef-d2be-392c-0537f9083c22@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c153a9d4-3910-c24f-ac4f-8b7a6926dace@gambas-basic.org>

Le 04/11/2022 ? 08:26, BB a ?crit?:
> QXcbClipboard: Unable to receive an event from the clipboard manager in a reasonable time
> 
> This appears on a random basis after closing a running project from 
> within the IDE. I really don't understand why, when I am not using the 
> clipboard in any way?
> 
> Has anyone seen this? Any clues?
> 
> b
> 

I have already seen that, but rarely.

As soon as you use Qt, GTK+, Chromium, or any other heavy beast, you 
usually many ugly warning messages on the console.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From the_watchmann at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  4 13:01:30 2022
From: the_watchmann at yahoo.com (David Silverwood)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 12:01:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas Web Info
References: <1696484099.2109434.1667563290337.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1696484099.2109434.1667563290337@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi
Quick question. Where can I get some reading/study material on Gambas Web. I cannot seem to find much anywhere. If I can find something basic it would help a lot.
Thanks
David
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 13:44:16 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 12:44:16 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas Web Info
In-Reply-To: <1696484099.2109434.1667563290337@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1696484099.2109434.1667563290337.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1696484099.2109434.1667563290337@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCBPs1MFgc_oafN4LDE2ZYzBpkFu12GwXmp25VbD5bqGBg@mail.gmail.com>

search the gambas farm for examples.

also see here...
http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/howto/getstartedwebgambas

BruceS

On Fri, 4 Nov 2022 at 12:02, David Silverwood via User <
user at lists.gambas-basic.org> wrote:

> Hi
>
> Quick question. Where can I get some reading/study material on Gambas Web.
> I cannot seem to find much anywhere. If I can find something basic it would
> help a lot.
>
> Thanks
>
> David
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 14:44:28 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 13:44:28 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
In-Reply-To: <fbd69270-a024-314c-577b-901139d3f850@libero.it>
References: <fbd69270-a024-314c-577b-901139d3f850@libero.it>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCArY-F2+fSb46V+j=j_1-XJQ_w6_PBtRrMuk3dz6-BTWQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 3 Nov 2022 at 22:53, gian via User <user at lists.gambas-basic.org>
wrote:

> Hi Benoit,
>
> my wife wanted to have on her desktop, a clock (type alarm clock), as
> simple as the one she has on her nightstand, but nice as an day-date
> clock, with the moon phase, and that started automatically with the
> Linux session.
>
> On the Farm named mdDDclock (moon phase Day Date clock) is the result of
> my work.
>
> It can only work if the Gambas IDE is installed (it have to run an
> executable).
>
> Is there any way to create a project that starts automatically without
> having to install the IDE ?
>
> Thank you and regards
>

So to summarize...
to compile without the IDE you need gbc3 and gba3 and to pass some possibly
vital arguments like -fpublic-control -fpublic-module so application works.
try gbc3 --help gba3 --help to see options.

To Auto-start you just need a .desktop launching icon to reside in
$HOME/.kde/Autostart/ (for kde) or $HOME/.config/autostart/ for others (i
know of)

Auto-start may require a delay to ensure the desktop/toolkits/system
tray/etc have loaded properly before the gambas application starts
I use these settings in the .desktop file...
X-MATE-Autostart-Delay=5
X-GNOME-Autostart-Delay=5

sometimes even the delay didn't work and the application was not able to
detect a system tray before loading so i also added an option to wait for
the tray with this code...

 UseTray = False
 $bHasTray = Desktop.HasSystemTray
  $bWaitForTray = Settings["WaitForTray", False]
  If $bWaitForTray And If Not $bHasTray Then
    For c As Integer = 1 To 60
      Wait 1
      fList.Retries = c
      $bHasTray = Desktop.HasSystemTray
      If $bHasTray Then Break
    Next
    Message("System tray did not load")
  Endif

  If $bHasTray Then UseTray = Settings["UseSysTray", True]

that checks every second for up to 60 seconds if the SysTray has loaded.

Hope that all makes sense :)
BruceS
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 14:47:48 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 13:47:48 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCArY-F2+fSb46V+j=j_1-XJQ_w6_PBtRrMuk3dz6-BTWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fbd69270-a024-314c-577b-901139d3f850@libero.it>
 <CABuQYCArY-F2+fSb46V+j=j_1-XJQ_w6_PBtRrMuk3dz6-BTWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCCA1Amcx-PsGbPq4ZzvHFCnEbchvtzKWs+ZEnMwVuHk_A@mail.gmail.com>

      If $bHasTray Then Break

>     Next
>     Message("System tray did not load")
>   Endif
>

Oops correction..
  Next
  If Not $bHasTray Then Message("System tray did not load")
  Endif

BruceS
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From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 15:04:14 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 10:04:14 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCCpUdp3FP=iPMWnPiH6MotGf5oWApS8FZfoi=QyfB-UKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fbd69270-a024-314c-577b-901139d3f850@libero.it>
 <CABuQYCCpUdp3FP=iPMWnPiH6MotGf5oWApS8FZfoi=QyfB-UKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49ff411e-8efa-36e4-4541-992bc17c7156@gmail.com>

On 11/3/22 22:56, Bruce Steers wrote:
> Public Sub IsAutoStarted(Optional bTest As Boolean) As Boolean
> 
>  ? If Not AutoStartFile Then
>  ? ? AutoStartFolder = User.Home &/ If(GetDesktop() Like "KDE*", ".kde/Autostart", ".config/autostart")

Just FYI, on my KDE5 system there is no "~/.kde" directory. The "autostart" directory (along with "autostart-scripts") is in 
"~/.config".


-- 
Lee


From bagoneo at libero.it  Fri Nov  4 15:31:07 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 15:31:07 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
In-Reply-To: <e69f88df-232b-df25-cd62-5bf4bbfeb7d2@gambas-basic.org>
References: <fbd69270-a024-314c-577b-901139d3f850@libero.it>
 <e69f88df-232b-df25-cd62-5bf4bbfeb7d2@gambas-basic.org>
Message-ID: <eb14f4e1-9bbb-e0cd-3abd-0ef439180668@libero.it>

Hi Benoit, Bruce, Lee,

thank you very much for the help :-)


Il 04/11/22 11:12, Benoit Minisini ha scritto:
> I don't understand: you never need the IDE to run a Gambas executable. 
> You just need the runtime.

then the error is either in my code or in the way I create the package.

If it is in the code, it is probably in this step:
Shell "cd " & Application.Path & " && gbc3 -agt && gba3 -v -o " &/ sPath 
&/ Application.Name & ".gambas" Wait
I think it's possible that the compiler doesn't know Application.Path, 
something about that I had read.

If it is in the way I create the package it is probably always because 
of gbc3 and gba3 you need to indicate something to the compiler.

If you would like to take a look at the MMain code ... I would be very 
grateful.

Note: For the packaging test, I compiled the code into a Mint-21 stable 
and created the packages with that.
On VBox I added a Mint-21 without Gambas but with only the PPA repository.

You can see from the zipped images in this link:
https://paste.c-net.org/IncomingSolemnly

That the process is successful only the program does not start, I click 
on it but nothing happens.

I apologize to everyone for the insistence but I would like to 
understand, thanks

Regards
Gianluigi

From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 15:41:09 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 14:41:09 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
In-Reply-To: <49ff411e-8efa-36e4-4541-992bc17c7156@gmail.com>
References: <fbd69270-a024-314c-577b-901139d3f850@libero.it>
 <CABuQYCCpUdp3FP=iPMWnPiH6MotGf5oWApS8FZfoi=QyfB-UKQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, 4 Nov 2022 at 14:05, T Lee Davidson <t.lee.davidson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 11/3/22 22:56, Bruce Steers wrote:
> > Public Sub IsAutoStarted(Optional bTest As Boolean) As Boolean
> >
> >    If Not AutoStartFile Then
> >      AutoStartFolder = User.Home &/ If(GetDesktop() Like "KDE*",
> ".kde/Autostart", ".config/autostart")
>
> Just FYI, on my KDE5 system there is no "~/.kde" directory. The
> "autostart" directory (along with "autostart-scripts") is in
> "~/.config".
>
>
Ahh i did not know that, thank you Lee
I guess best to just pop a launcher in both locations to be sure :)

BruceS
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 15:58:45 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 14:58:45 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
In-Reply-To: <eb14f4e1-9bbb-e0cd-3abd-0ef439180668@libero.it>
References: <fbd69270-a024-314c-577b-901139d3f850@libero.it>
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On Fri, 4 Nov 2022 at 14:33, gian via User <user at lists.gambas-basic.org>
wrote:

> Hi Benoit, Bruce, Lee,
>
> thank you very much for the help :-)
>
>
> Il 04/11/22 11:12, Benoit Minisini ha scritto:
> > I don't understand: you never need the IDE to run a Gambas executable.
> > You just need the runtime.
>
> then the error is either in my code or in the way I create the package.
>
> If it is in the code, it is probably in this step:
> Shell "cd " & Application.Path & " && gbc3 -agt && gba3 -v -o " &/ sPath
> &/ Application.Name & ".gambas" Wait
> I think it's possible that the compiler doesn't know Application.Path,
> something about that I had read.
>
> If it is in the way I create the package it is probably always because
> of gbc3 and gba3 you need to indicate something to the compiler.
>

Does the exe get created in the correct place? sPath  (where is sPath?)

Does running application exe from a terminal give any error msg to see
what's wrong?
Does the application have options "controls are public" or "module symbols
are public" set?

Just somethings to consider.
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From angelnunez123 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 22:18:09 2022
From: angelnunez123 at gmail.com (Angel)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 22:18:09 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Arrangement property in ScrollView.
Message-ID: <c81964d4-d4cd-1d22-b1c3-9f9a0cdec0cf@gmail.com>

ScrollView has Arrangement property at design time in the gambas3 ide, 
but at run time it does not support Arrangement property, in the gambas 
help it has Arrangement as property. Is it a bug?


From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Fri Nov  4 19:20:22 2022
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 11:20:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCCS0OYkYU9+M+V7kAA7S2tuhh=vKgs_LEBTkkwJXSNpMA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fbd69270-a024-314c-577b-901139d3f850@libero.it>
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Sorry but why not just use a gambas script! 

Develop the project using the ide, and then just use the scripter(gbs3) to create a script that can be run directly without all the fooling around....? 

Just a thought 

gbs3 -convert-project "path to project directory" "path to directory to store the script" 

example 
gbs3 --convert-project "~/myclock" "~/bin" 

This created a gambas script called myclock.gbs in the ~/bin directory 

so if ~/bin is in your path then run from prompt 

$ myclock.gbs & 

Or for example on mint use the startup app entry on the control panel. 


"Failure is the key to success; 
each mistake teaches us something" .. Morihei Ueshiba 
Brian G 

----- On Nov 4, 2022, at 2:58 PM, Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com> wrote: 





On Fri, 4 Nov 2022 at 14:33, gian via User < [ mailto:user at lists.gambas-basic.org | user at lists.gambas-basic.org ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN
Hi Benoit, Bruce, Lee, 

thank you very much for the help :-) 


Il 04/11/22 11:12, Benoit Minisini ha scritto: 
> I don't understand: you never need the IDE to run a Gambas executable. 
> You just need the runtime. 

then the error is either in my code or in the way I create the package. 

If it is in the code, it is probably in this step: 
Shell "cd " & Application.Path & " && gbc3 -agt && gba3 -v -o " &/ sPath 
&/ Application.Name & ".gambas" Wait 
I think it's possible that the compiler doesn't know Application.Path, 
something about that I had read. 

If it is in the way I create the package it is probably always because 
of gbc3 and gba3 you need to indicate something to the compiler. 



Does the exe get created in the correct place? sPath (where is sPath?) 

Does running application exe from a terminal give any error msg to see what's wrong? 
Does the application have options "controls are public" or "module symbols are public" set? 

Just somethings to consider. 



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From bagoneo at libero.it  Fri Nov  4 23:11:40 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 23:11:40 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCCS0OYkYU9+M+V7kAA7S2tuhh=vKgs_LEBTkkwJXSNpMA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fbd69270-a024-314c-577b-901139d3f850@libero.it>
 <e69f88df-232b-df25-cd62-5bf4bbfeb7d2@gambas-basic.org>
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Il 04/11/22 15:58, Bruce Steers ha scritto:
> Does the exe get created in the correct place? sPath? (where is sPath?)
> 
> Does running application exe from a terminal give any error msg to see 
> what's wrong?
> Does the application have options "controls are public" or "module 
> symbols are public" set?
> 
> Just somethings to consider.
> 

I don't know what to say I think there was misunderstanding.

The project works fine on Gnome, Ubuntu, KDE, Cinnamon, Mate, Xfce but 
only if you have the Gambas IDE.
If you try to install a package created with Gambas the project does not 
work.

There are no errors when creating packages ending with:
The packages were created correctly.

And there are no errors when installing the packages, as you can see 
from the images linked above.

Good night

Gianluigi

From bagoneo at libero.it  Fri Nov  4 23:29:24 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 23:29:24 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
In-Reply-To: <1334489251.3764.1667586022667.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
References: <fbd69270-a024-314c-577b-901139d3f850@libero.it>
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Il 04/11/22 19:20, Brian G ha scritto:
> Sorry but why not just use a gambas script!
> 
> Develop the project using the ide, and then just use the scripter(gbs3) 
> to create a script that can be run directly without all the fooling 
> around....?
> 
> Just a thought
> 
> gbs3 -convert-project "path to project directory" "path to directory to 
> store the script"
> 
> example
> gbs3 --convert-project "~/myclock" "~/bin"
> 
> This created a gambas script called myclock.gbs in the ~/bin directory
> 
> so if ~/bin is in your path then run from prompt
> 
> $ myclock.gbs &
> 
> Or for example on mint use the startup app entry on the control panel.

Hi Brian,

I thank you, I get your email only now and I am not sure I understand 
what you are suggesting.
I am going to sleep now, tomorrow night (Saturday is busy) with a 
fresher mind I hope to understand.

Good night

Gianluigi

From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 23:03:41 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 18:03:41 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Arrangement property in ScrollView.
In-Reply-To: <c81964d4-d4cd-1d22-b1c3-9f9a0cdec0cf@gmail.com>
References: <c81964d4-d4cd-1d22-b1c3-9f9a0cdec0cf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c90c06db-ef86-af20-816e-af9b2ed32288@gmail.com>

On 11/4/22 17:18, Angel wrote:
> ScrollView has Arrangement property at design time in the gambas3 ide, but at run time it does not support Arrangement property, 
> in the gambas help it has Arrangement as property. Is it a bug?

The Arrangement property for ScrollView is available at runtime.
[code]
Public Sub Form_Open()

   ScrollView1.Arrangement = Arrange.Fill
   Print ScrollView1.Arrangement

End
[/code]

Outputs the numeral 5 to the console at run time.


-- 
Lee

Desktop: KDE5


From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Sat Nov  5 06:02:26 2022
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (=?UTF-8?B?QnJpYW4gRw==?=)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2022 08:02:26 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] =?utf-8?q?Automatic_Startup?=
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References: <fbd69270-a024-314c-577b-901139d3f850@libero.it>
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Don't need packages, just the script.. I think should work, as long as scripter, and gambas are installed
--
Thanks
Brian G Friday, 04 November 2022, 03:31PM -07:00 from gian via User  user at lists.gambas-basic.org :

>Il 04/11/22 19:20, Brian G ha scritto:
> Sorry but why not just use a gambas script!
>
> Develop the project using the ide, and then just use the scripter(gbs3) 
> to create a script that can be run directly without all the fooling 
> around....?
>
> Just a thought
>
> gbs3 -convert-project "path to project directory" "path to directory to 
> store the script"
>
> example
> gbs3 --convert-project "~/myclock" "~/bin"
>
> This created a gambas script called myclock.gbs in the ~/bin directory
>
> so if ~/bin is in your path then run from prompt
>
> $ myclock.gbs &
>
> Or for example on mint use the startup app entry on the control panel.
>
>Hi Brian,
>
>I thank you, I get your email only now and I am not sure I understand 
>what you are suggesting.
>I am going to sleep now, tomorrow night (Saturday is busy) with a 
>fresher mind I hope to understand.
>
>Good night
>
>Gianluigi
>
>----[  http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  5 07:43:38 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 17:13:38 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Tab size in a textarea
Message-ID: <34bb2395-bdb6-4a1d-ded4-dc20cf1b0e3d@gmail.com>

Is there any way to set the tab size in a TextArea control?

I mean the width on the left when I hit the Tab key when editing the 
TextArea text.

Mainly interested in QT5 but regardless of the gui it is "Huge", about 
10 characters.

tia

bruce


From angelnunez123 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  5 07:56:17 2022
From: angelnunez123 at gmail.com (Angel)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 07:56:17 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Arrangement property in ScrollView.
In-Reply-To: <c90c06db-ef86-af20-816e-af9b2ed32288@gmail.com>
References: <c81964d4-d4cd-1d22-b1c3-9f9a0cdec0cf@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <b5667d2d-6d85-bf51-8fce-b02f21be3358@gmail.com>


El 4/11/22 a las 23:03, T Lee Davidson escribi?:
> On 11/4/22 17:18, Angel wrote:
>> ScrollView has Arrangement property at design time in the gambas3 
>> ide, but at run time it does not support Arrangement property, in the 
>> gambas help it has Arrangement as property. Is it a bug?
>
> The Arrangement property for ScrollView is available at runtime.
> [code]
> Public Sub Form_Open()
>
> ? ScrollView1.Arrangement = Arrange.Fill
> ? Print ScrollView1.Arrangement
>
> End
> [/code]
>
> Outputs the numeral 5 to the console at run time.


You are right, it's a mistake of mine.

He called the Arrangement of the Scollview object from another function.

[code]

Public Sub LlenarScrol(Contenedor As Container)

 ??? Contenedor.Arrangement = Arrange.Column

End

[/code]

I sent a scrolview to the sub and obtained the error

'ScrollView.Arrangement' is not a property

I get obsessed that the scrolview control had a bug, the bug was me

The container object does not have the Arrangement property,

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From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Sat Nov  5 08:00:08 2022
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 08:00:08 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
In-Reply-To: <1667624546.140873924@f6.my.com>
References: <fbd69270-a024-314c-577b-901139d3f850@libero.it>
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If the scripter is installed then the gambas runtime also. So normally the
packaged executable will run too.

Can you try to run it in a terminal on you wife computer ? And see what
error is returned ?

Best regards,

Fabien
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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Sat Nov  5 11:02:10 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 11:02:10 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Arrangement property in ScrollView.
In-Reply-To: <b5667d2d-6d85-bf51-8fce-b02f21be3358@gmail.com>
References: <c81964d4-d4cd-1d22-b1c3-9f9a0cdec0cf@gmail.com>
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Le 05/11/2022 ? 07:56, Angel a ?crit?:
> 
> You are right, it's a mistake of mine.

Yes and no: The error message should be 'Container.Arrangement' is not a 
property, but it takes the actual class of the object to generate the 
error message hence confusing...

> 
> He called the Arrangement of the Scollview object from another function.
> 
> [code]
> 
> Public Sub LlenarScrol(Contenedor As Container)
> 
>  ??? Contenedor.Arrangement = Arrange.Column
> 
> End
> 
> [/code]
> 
> I sent a scrolview to the sub and obtained the error
> 
> 'ScrollView.Arrangement' is not a property
> 
> I get obsessed that the scrolview control had a bug, the bug was me
> 
> The container object does not have the Arrangement property,
> 

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Sat Nov  5 12:03:08 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 12:03:08 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] RegExp not returning submatches
In-Reply-To: <9eb74aaf-edef-ecbd-b822-1c54928f820b@gmail.com>
References: <c6004745-26ab-5bbd-0323-8cc2eefb1434@gmail.com>
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Le 21/10/2022 ? 02:43, T Lee Davidson a ?crit?:
> On 10/20/22 17:31, gian via User wrote:
>> Hi?Lee,
>>
>> to me your code is correct and is based on what is written in the 
>> Gambas wiki.
>>
>> I?think?this?is?a?bug?that?should?be?reported.
> 
> Thank you for looking into it, Gianluigi.
> 
> Bug reported.
> 
> 

For information: this was not a bug, but a misunderstood of the RegExp 
(strange) API where the Count property is the number of submatches, but 
not the number of elements managed by the RegExp array operator.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From bagoneo at libero.it  Sat Nov  5 15:44:35 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 15:44:35 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
In-Reply-To: <CAFkCsL7ACVbC=4j5mrx=sFjcTap2ZW9_8XpQ6KVHvATXcu4xAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fbd69270-a024-314c-577b-901139d3f850@libero.it>
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Il 05/11/22 08:00, Fabien Bodard ha scritto:
> If the scripter is installed then the gambas runtime also. So normally 
> the packaged executable will run too.
> 
> Can you try to run it in a terminal on you wife computer ? And see what 
> error is returned ?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Fabien
> 

Hi Fabien,

Yes, you are right, and yes, I am an idiot for not doing it ;-D

That's what the terminal says:

lino at lino-VirtualBox:~$ gbx3 --version
3.17.3
lino at lino-VirtualBox:~$ mpDDclock
gb.gui.qt: error: 'gb.qt5' component not found, unable to find any QT 
replacement component

Thank you very much and regards
(help me please ?)


Gianluigi

From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Sat Nov  5 15:50:43 2022
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (=?UTF-8?B?QnJpYW4gRw==?=)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2022 17:50:43 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] =?utf-8?q?Automatic_Startup?=
In-Reply-To: <ee1d0d5d-428a-4fb4-92c4-117fc0811efe@libero.it>
References: <fbd69270-a024-314c-577b-901139d3f850@libero.it>
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Message-ID: <1667659843.103833106@f40.my.com>


Sorry, my fault you must have the full gambas3 environment installed, gb.gt should have been installed when you did that. 
What version of scripter is running
--
Thanks
Brian G Saturday, 05 November 2022, 07:45AM -07:00 from gian via User  user at lists.gambas-basic.org :

>Il 05/11/22 08:00, Fabien Bodard ha scritto:
> If the scripter is installed then the gambas runtime also. So normally 
> the packaged executable will run too.
>
> Can you try to run it in a terminal on you wife computer ? And see what 
> error is returned ?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Fabien
>
>
>Hi Fabien,
>
>Yes, you are right, and yes, I am an idiot for not doing it ;-D
>
>That's what the terminal says:
>
>lino at lino-VirtualBox:~$ gbx3 --version
>3.17.3
>lino at lino-VirtualBox:~$ mpDDclock
>gb.gui.qt: error: 'gb.qt5' component not found, unable to find any QT 
>replacement component
>
>Thank you very much and regards
>(help me please ?)
>
>
>Gianluigi
>
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From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Sat Nov  5 15:54:05 2022
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (=?UTF-8?B?QnJpYW4gRw==?=)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2022 17:54:05 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] =?utf-8?q?Automatic_Startup?=
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References: <fbd69270-a024-314c-577b-901139d3f850@libero.it>
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Sorry gb.qt5 I mean
--
Thanks
Brian G Saturday, 05 November 2022, 07:51AM -07:00 from Brian G  brian at westwoodsvcs.com :

>Sorry, my fault you must have the full gambas3 environment installed, gb.gt should have been installed when you did that. 
>What version of scripter is running
>--
>Thanks
>Brian G Saturday, 05 November 2022, 07:45AM -07:00 from gian via User  user at lists.gambas-basic.org :
>
>>Il 05/11/22 08:00, Fabien Bodard ha scritto:
> If the scripter is installed then the gambas runtime also. So normally 
> the packaged executable will run too.
>
> Can you try to run it in a terminal on you wife computer ? And see what 
> error is returned ?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Fabien
>
>>
>>Hi Fabien,
>>
>>Yes, you are right, and yes, I am an idiot for not doing it ;-D
>>
>>That's what the terminal says:
>>
>>lino at lino-VirtualBox:~$ gbx3 --version
>>3.17.3
>>lino at lino-VirtualBox:~$ mpDDclock
>>gb.gui.qt: error: 'gb.qt5' component not found, unable to find any QT 
>>replacement component
>>
>>Thank you very much and regards
>>(help me please ?)
>>
>>
>>Gianluigi
>>
>>----[  http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
>----[  http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From bagoneo at libero.it  Sat Nov  5 16:05:54 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 16:05:54 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
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Il 05/11/22 15:54, Brian G ha scritto:
> Sorry gb.qt5 I mean

 From the image I had posted, it looks like the installer put in gb.gui 
and gb.gtk instead of gb.gui.qt and gb.qt5.
Maybe it's my fault, but I had understood that you use the generic deb 
and then the installer does everything.

Evidently I misunderstood :-(

Regards

Gianluigi

From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  5 16:42:32 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 15:42:32 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
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On Fri, 4 Nov 2022 at 22:15, gian via User <user at lists.gambas-basic.org>
wrote:

> Il 04/11/22 15:58, Bruce Steers ha scritto:
> > Does the exe get created in the correct place? sPath  (where is sPath?)
> >
> > Does running application exe from a terminal give any error msg to see
> > what's wrong?
> > Does the application have options "controls are public" or "module
> > symbols are public" set?
> >
> > Just somethings to consider.
> >
>
> I don't know what to say I think there was misunderstanding.
>
> The project works fine on Gnome, Ubuntu, KDE, Cinnamon, Mate, Xfce but
> only if you have the Gambas IDE.
> If you try to install a package created with Gambas the project does not
> work.
>
> There are no errors when creating packages ending with:
> The packages were created correctly.
>
> And there are no errors when installing the packages, as you can see
> from the images linked above.
>
> Good night
>
> Gianluigi
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]---



I think if you run the program from terminal you may get error messages
that help you detect the problem.
then you may understand better the solution.

BruceS
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From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Sat Nov  5 16:55:05 2022
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 16:55:05 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
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Hi GIanluigi.
I create the package in Manjaro 21 XFCE then I install it.
The menu entry was created well.
At the first run appear the info dialog box to select the font then the 
clock not appear.
At the seccond try it run fine, the clock works properly.
https://imgur.com/SYY6dvo

In my system, that I mention before, Manjaro XFCE, is possible add a 
start-up entry to run the program when the user login to the desktop.
https://imgur.com/SaE4Xum

Regards.
Martin.

From bagoneo at libero.it  Sat Nov  5 17:59:54 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 17:59:54 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
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Il 05/11/22 16:55, Martin ha scritto:
> Hi GIanluigi.
> I create the package in Manjaro 21 XFCE then I install it.
> The menu entry was created well.
> At the first run appear the info dialog box to select the font then the 
> clock not appear.
> At the seccond try it run fine, the clock works properly.
> https://imgur.com/SYY6dvo
> 
> In my system, that I mention before, Manjaro XFCE, is possible add a 
> start-up entry to run the program when the user login to the desktop.
> https://imgur.com/SaE4Xum
> 
> Regards.
> Martin.
> 

Hi Martin and folk,

First I want to thank everyone who participated in the discussion.
Unfortunately, and I don't know for what reason, some emails came late 
and the discussion may seem surreal :-) it is nobody's fault.

Martin is right, it is easy to auto-start the programs we want, however, 
it is also nice to know how it can be done through Gambas.

I installed qt5 (see image)
the program starts with the help window but when I give it the ok it 
closes with this error:

lino at lin-VirtualBox:~$ mpddclock
/bin/sh: 1: gbc3: not found
/bin/sh: 1: /home/lino/.mpddclock/mpddclock.gambas: not found


rightly because the program did not create the .gambas file, the 
.mpddclock folder is empty

When in doubt, I tried again with mpDDclock but nothing changes.

But launching the program from the Mint menu started the clock, the 
alarm clock works, etc.

Thanks to this terminal response:
lino at lino-VirtualBox:~$ sudo find / -iname "mpddclock.gambas"
[sudo] password di lino:
find: ?/run/user/1000/gvfs?: Permesso negato

and after re-reading more carefully what Prof. Tobias had written to 
Bruce (was that what you wanted to talk about?) about gambas scripts, I 
think I understand what is going on:

this command:

Shell "cd " & Application.Path & " && gbc3 -agt && gba3 -v -o " &/ sPath 
&/ Application.Name & ".gambas" WaitShell "cd " & Application.Path & " 
&& gbc3 -agt && gba3 -v -o " &/ sPath &/ Application.Name & ".gambas" Wait

does not create the .gambas application where indicated but creates a 
temporary file that I believe can be copied (with the right permissions?).

I will continue to study but I think I am on the right path.

Again thanks to all

Regards

Gianluigi
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From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Sat Nov  5 18:05:33 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 13:05:33 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Tab size in a textarea
In-Reply-To: <34bb2395-bdb6-4a1d-ded4-dc20cf1b0e3d@gmail.com>
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On 11/5/22 02:43, BB wrote:
> Is there any way to set the tab size in a TextArea control?
> 
> I mean the width on the left when I hit the Tab key when editing the TextArea text.
> 
> Mainly interested in QT5 but regardless of the gui it is "Huge", about 10 characters.
> 
> tia
> 
> bruce

It appears that having the ability to set the tab size would require modification of the TextArea code[1].



Since tabStopDistance is specified in pixels, the font metrics would need to be taken into account. An example from 
StackExchange[2] for Python:
textedit = QtWidgets.QPlainTextEdit()
textedit.setTabStopDistance( QtGui.QFontMetricsF(textedit.font() ).horizontalAdvance(' ') * 4)

I don't know how that would translate to a Gambas TextArea.


In the meantime, you could manipulate TextArea.Text yourself:
' Gambas class file

Private iTabSize As Integer = 4
Private bTabKey As Boolean

Public Sub TextArea1_Change()

   If bTabKey Then
     bTabKey = False
     Object.Lock(TextArea1)
     ' TextArea1.Undo ' Does not work; Undo is greedy taking more than just the last keystroke.
     ' TextArea1.Insert("\b") ' Neither the backspace control character nor Chr(8) behave as expected.
     TextArea1.Text = String.Left(TextArea1.Text, -1)
     TextArea1.Insert(Space(iTabSize))
     Object.Unlock(TextArea1)
   Endif

End

Public Sub TextArea1_KeyPress()

   If Key.Code = Key.Tab Then ' Do not edit TextArea.Text in this event.
     bTabKey = True ' Use a semaphore because Key information is not available in the Change event.
   Endif

End


-- 
Lee

[1] https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qplaintextedit.html#tabStopDistance-prop
[2] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/50190860/how-to-change-the-width-of-tabs-in-a-qplaintextedit

From bagoneo at libero.it  Sat Nov  5 18:08:26 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 18:08:26 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
In-Reply-To: <c04e25db-0626-593a-40ac-d150b245ef32@belmotek.net>
References: <fbd69270-a024-314c-577b-901139d3f850@libero.it>
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Il 05/11/22 16:55, Martin ha scritto:
> Hi GIanluigi.
> I create the package in Manjaro 21 XFCE then I install it.
> The menu entry was created well.
> At the first run appear the info dialog box to select the font then the 
> clock not appear.
> At the seccond try it run fine, the clock works properly.
> https://imgur.com/SYY6dvo
> 
> In my system, that I mention before, Manjaro XFCE, is possible add a 
> start-up entry to run the program when the user login to the desktop.
> https://imgur.com/SaE4Xum
> 
> Regards.
> Martin.


Hi Martin,

if I am not mistaken about the analysis I did earlier, your clock should 
no longer work tomorrow.

I am sorry :-(

As I wrote in the help the program (as is) works only if the IDE is 
installed.

I thank you very much for the test :-)

Regards

Gianluigi

From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Sat Nov  5 18:39:01 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 13:39:01 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
In-Reply-To: <f22b195a-b359-8014-b054-04e24251146a@libero.it>
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On 11/5/22 13:08, gian via User wrote:
> As I wrote in the help the program (as is) works only if the IDE is installed.

Gianluigi, I downloaded your app from the Farm and took a quick look at MMain.

I have to assume that your wife has her own computer. But, I am unsure of that as I do not recall you mentioning how you 
transferred your program to her desktop. Anyway...

I do not understand why you are doing this:
Shell "cd " & Application.Path & " && gbc3 -agt && gba3 -v -o " &/ sPath &/ Application.Name & ".gambas" Wait

Why not simply make an installation package thereby letting Gambas determine and handle dependencies?

You could specify an extra file (Step 8) that could be a launch script to be placed in the system's autostart folder.


-- 
Lee


From bagoneo at libero.it  Sat Nov  5 23:37:29 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 23:37:29 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
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Hi Lee,

Il 05/11/22 18:39, T Lee Davidson ha scritto:
> Gianluigi, I downloaded your app from the Farm and took a quick look at 
> MMain.
> 
> I have to assume that your wife has her own computer. But, I am unsure 
> of that as I do not recall you mentioning how you transferred your 
> program to her desktop. Anyway...

yes my wife has her own desktop pc with Linux Ubuntu, she has for 
convenience Gambas IDE so for the programs she asks me I install an 
executable for her, but also a work in progress and I do it faster.

This time I felt like trying to create everything from code and indeed 
the clock installed from his IDE works fine.

At this point I wondered, what if I wanted to distribute it with packages?

I realized that I didn't actually know many things:

For example, Benoit told me that the runtime is enough to run an 
executable, I didn't know that, I thought you need to have the IDE.
And other things I still don't know, as you might have guessed from the 
questions I asked.
Now I understand why Bruce is fascinated by scripts (which work even 
without the IDE).

> 
> I do not understand why you are doing this:
> Shell "cd " & Application.Path & " && gbc3 -agt && gba3 -v -o " &/ sPath 
> &/ Application.Name & ".gambas" Wait

With the above in mind, the idea was to create the executable with the 
collected data (font and location) to start it with a launcher and a 
symlink in autostart.

> 
> Why not simply make an installation package thereby letting Gambas 
> determine and handle dependencies?
> 
> You could specify an extra file (Step 8) that could be a launch script 
> to be placed in the system's autostart folder.

Everything you wrote after that I did not understand and I apologize.

Can you be more clear?

I am going to sleep now, I wish you a good night (here) and good morning 
(there) :-)

Gianluigi

From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 04:17:19 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 03:17:19 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
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On Sat, 5 Nov 2022 at 22:38, gian via User <user at lists.gambas-basic.org>
wrote:

> Hi Lee,
>
> Il 05/11/22 18:39, T Lee Davidson ha scritto:
> > Gianluigi, I downloaded your app from the Farm and took a quick look at
> > MMain.
> >
> > I have to assume that your wife has her own computer. But, I am unsure
> > of that as I do not recall you mentioning how you transferred your
> > program to her desktop. Anyway...
>
> yes my wife has her own desktop pc with Linux Ubuntu, she has for
> convenience Gambas IDE so for the programs she asks me I install an
> executable for her, but also a work in progress and I do it faster.
>
> This time I felt like trying to create everything from code and indeed
> the clock installed from his IDE works fine.
>
> At this point I wondered, what if I wanted to distribute it with packages?
>
> I realized that I didn't actually know many things:
>
> For example, Benoit told me that the runtime is enough to run an
> executable, I didn't know that, I thought you need to have the IDE.
> And other things I still don't know, as you might have guessed from the
> questions I asked.
> Now I understand why Bruce is fascinated by scripts (which work even
> without the IDE).
>

scripts are awesome :)


>
> > I do not understand why you are doing this:
> > Shell "cd " & Application.Path & " && gbc3 -agt && gba3 -v -o " &/ sPath
> > &/ Application.Name & ".gambas" Wait
>
> With the above in mind, the idea was to create the executable with the
> collected data (font and location) to start it with a launcher and a
> symlink in autostart.
>

I do not think you can symlink a gambas application directly in autostart,
i think it needs to be just .desktop [Desktop Entry] files in there.
The same file as that script i posted makes on the Desktop , you could
modify that script to save the file in autostart not on the Desktop  (you
may want the delay options)


To be honest i have veered away from all the packager stuff and dealt with
things myself.

The script i posted will compile a downloaded project source, i think
negating the need for any official install.
all that script needs is to make another .desktop file in
$HOME/.local/share/applications to add it to the system menu as well. but
it needs to handle the menu categories well like gambas does.

and maybe an option to copy the exe to /usr/bin or somewhere if you don't
want to just use it from within the project folder.


I also made an updater class that i've added to some of my apps that checks
version to an online source and downloads/compiles/overwrites old version,
either a whole project folder or just a standalone exe. further negating
the need for a packager. nor any more compilations from the user, they can
just click "Update" and it's automatically done.

Respects
BruceS
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From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Sun Nov  6 14:53:21 2022
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 14:53:21 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
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El 5/11/22 a las 18:08, gian via User escribi?:
> if I am not mistaken about the analysis I did earlier, your clock should 
> no longer work tomorrow.
> I am sorry ?
> As I wrote in the help the program (as is) works only if the IDE is 
> installed.
> I thank you very much for the test ?

Today it is still working normally, it is installed but not with the IDE.
When entering the system the clock started by itself, everything 
perfect, see the link below.
https://imgur.com/AxGK4Uy
Regards.
Martin.

From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 15:04:15 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 14:04:15 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Screen.class could do with "TotalWidth" or
 something
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I added this function to Screens.class in my project that i think correctly
gets total size...















*Static Private Function Area_Read() As Rect  $hRect = New
Rect(Screens[0].X, Screens[0].Y, Screens[0].W, Screens[0].H)  If
Screens.Count > 1 Then    Dim hNewRect As Rect    For c As Integer = 1 To
Screens.Count - 1      hNewRect = New Rect(Screens[c].X, Screens[c].Y,
Screens[c].W, Screens[c].H)      $hRect = $hRect.Union(hNewRect)    Next
Endif  Return $hRectEnd*

So i can inspect Screens.Area for the Rect of total size.
I also added *Screens.Width* and *Screens.Height* that are *.W* & *.H* of
the *Rect* like this...
*Return Area_Read().Width*

Also *Screens.Max*

currently working on a *Screens.Active* as a more functional way to get the
active screen at application startup.


On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 at 14:29, Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've just been investigating Screen.class with 2 monitors connected.
>
> It seems if my primary monitor is to the left of the secondary I get this
> info from Screen.class
>
> Screen.X = 0
> Screen.Width = Primary width
> (no information about secondary display)
>
> If the primary is to the right then i get this..
> Screen.X = secondary screen width
> Screen.Width = primary screen width
>
> so seeing Screen.X is the width of the other monitor i can see i have 2
> monitors and i can move the window over to the other screen.
> (i did not try but i assume Form.Move() will use a negative number)
>
> even if i have to use X11.MoveWindow at least i can use the fact Screen.X
> is not zero to detect a secondary monitor to the left.
>
> It would be great to get better info about another monitor if the primary
> is on the left though.
>
> Maybe something like a Screen.TotalWidth or Screen.ExtendedWidth could be
> something that refers to a larger overall usable display size not just the
> monitor width? then we can detect a secondary on the right as well.
>
> Respects
> BruceS
>
>
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From bagoneo at libero.it  Sun Nov  6 15:28:10 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 15:28:10 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
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Il 06/11/22 14:53, Martin ha scritto:
> El 5/11/22 a las 18:08, gian via User escribi?:
>> if I am not mistaken about the analysis I did earlier, your clock 
>> should no longer work tomorrow.
>> I am sorry ?
>> As I wrote in the help the program (as is) works only if the IDE is 
>> installed.
>> I thank you very much for the test ?
> 
> Today it is still working normally, it is installed but not with the IDE.
> When entering the system the clock started by itself, everything 
> perfect, see the link below.
> https://imgur.com/AxGK4Uy
> Regards.
> Martin.
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

Hi Martin,

So if I understand correctly, you created the package and then installed 
it (as created by the IDE) on a computer or VBox without the Gambas IDE.
The clock started on the second try and when you reboot you get the 
clock on the desktop.

If this is the case, I don't get it anymore, how do you explain it?

Why on Mint-21 this doesn't happen, you don't create the project in the 
home, in autostart you don't write anything, and the same in 
.local/share/applications?

I had given myself an explanation but it seems to be wrong.

Any ideas?

Thank you very much, regards

Gianluigi

From bagoneo at libero.it  Sun Nov  6 15:58:15 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 15:58:15 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
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Il 06/11/22 04:17, Bruce Steers ha scritto:

> 
> scripts are awesome :)
> 
> ...

> 
> I do not think you can symlink a gambas application directly in 
> autostart, i think it needs to be just .desktop [Desktop Entry] files in 
> there.
> The same file as that script i posted makes on the Desktop , you could 
> modify that script to save the file in autostart not on the Desktop  
> (you may want the delay options)
> 
> 
> To be honest i have veered away from all the packager stuff and dealt 
> with things myself.
> 
> The script i posted will compile a downloaded project source, i think 
> negating the need for any official install.
> all that script needs is to make another .desktop file in 
> $HOME/.local/share/applications to add it to the system menu as well. 
> but it needs to handle the menu categories well like gambas does.
> 
> and maybe an option to copy the exe to /usr/bin or somewhere if you 
> don't want to just use it from within the project folder.
> 
> 
> I also made an updater class that i've added to some of my apps that 
> checks version to an online source and downloads/compiles/overwrites old 
> version, either a whole project folder or just a standalone exe. further 
> negating the need for a packager. nor any more compilations from the 
> user, they can just click "Update" and it's automatically done.
> 
> Respects
> BruceS


Hi Bruce,

I was rehearsing to be able to answer you properly.

Then Martin's e-mail came and now I don't understand it at all.

To make a point I list what I thought I understood.

When creating a package Gambas translates Application.Path to /tmp/whatever.
If I type the shell command:
sPath = User.Home &/ "." & Application.Name
If Not Exist(sPath) Then Try Mkdir sPath.
Shell "cd " & Application.Path & " && gbc3 -agt && gba3 -v -o " &/ sPath 
&/ Application.Name & ".gambas" Wait

Is Gambas able to understand it and process it?

I thought I understood that it was not capable but now Martin disproves 
this.

Please can some Guru clarify because the more I read on the subject the 
more my old brain gets confused and my spirit gets depressed.

One might think that the topic has already been eviscerated enough, but 
for me it has not and I don't think it costs too much effort to help, 
here the question is clear and the answer can be as well.

Then there would also be the problem of endianness, but that is another 
story.

Regards

Gianluigi



From bagoneo at libero.it  Sun Nov  6 16:18:38 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 16:18:38 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
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You have to admit one thing though, the watch I designed for my wife is 
really beautiful :-P

Regards

Gianluigi
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From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 17:56:23 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 11:56:23 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
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On 11/5/22 18:37, gian via User wrote:

> At this point I wondered, what if I wanted to distribute it with packages?

Then, perhaps, simply use the Gambas IDE package creator (Project -> Make -> Installation package)?


> Now I understand why Bruce is fascinated by scripts (which work even without the IDE).

Graphical applications work without the IDE as well. One of the reasons BruceS writes scripts, as he stated, is to avoid an 
"official" installation. (@BruceS: Why? Is there something wrong with an install?)


>> I do not understand why you are doing this:
>> Shell "cd " & Application.Path & " && gbc3 -agt && gba3 -v -o " &/ sPath &/ Application.Name & ".gambas" Wait
> 
> With the above in mind, the idea was to create the executable with the collected data (font and location) to start it with a 
> launcher and a symlink in autostart.

Why would you need to choose the location? Let the package creator handle that. It would place the executable in /usr/bin. It 
also creates a desktop file and places the application icon in the appropriate location.

And, as far as choosing the font, why not allow the user to select the preferred font at will at any time by providing a 
Settings/Preferences form.

The form could also allow the user to select if the application should autostart. If the user enables autostart, simply copy the 
desktop configuration file from /usr/share/applications to ~./config/autostart (and of course, remove it if the user disables 
autostart).


Why complicate things more than necessary? Why try to reinvent the wheel? Why write scripts or shell commands to do what the 
package creator already does rather well? Do we rewrite existing Gambas Components? No, we use the tools that already exist 
provided they produce an adequate solution. (I think Bruce invents excuses to write a program or script! :-P And, I can 
understand that as I have found myself doing the same thing once or thrice.)


>> Why not simply make an installation package thereby letting Gambas determine and handle dependencies?
>>
>> You could specify an extra file (Step 8) that could be a launch script to be placed in the system's autostart folder.
> 
> Everything you wrote after that I did not understand and I apologize.
> 
> Can you be more clear?

I was referring to making an installation package as mentioned above.

However, Bruce is correct. One cannot simply place a script to launch the application in ~/.config/autostart; it would have to 
go in ~./config/autostart-scripts if your system recognizes that convention.



-- 
Lee


From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Sun Nov  6 18:57:33 2022
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 18:57:33 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
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El 6/11/22 a las 15:28, gian via User escribi?:
> So if I understand correctly, you created the package and then installed 
> it (as created by the IDE) on a computer or VBox without the Gambas IDE.
> The clock started on the second try and when you reboot you get the 
> clock on the desktop.
Hi, I did everything as you describe but I installed it on my 
workstation which has the IDE installed.
I'm going to install it in an environment without IDE and then I'll tell 
you.
Martin.

From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 21:05:38 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 20:05:38 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] an observation on window placement with multiple
 screens
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 at 14:17, bb <adamnt42 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 2022-10-13 at 14:42 +0200, Benoit Minisini wrote:
> > Le 13/10/2022 ? 14:03, Bruce Steers a ?crit :
> > > I want to handle it first hand, not after via save/restore a
> > > setting
> > > if i use Settings.Write(MyForm)
> > > It saves the window geometry and the screen number so i could read
> > > the
> > > Form.Settings property but Benoit has stated this syntax may change
> > > so
> > > it's not wise to use it.
> > > I've looked at the Screen class and there is no ID or Number
> > > property to
> > > get data about the current screen.
> > >
> > > Can the Screens[] array Index be a reliable Id, so Screens[1] is 1
> > > as
> > > the Form.Settings would save it?
> > >
> > > Can i tell what screen my open application is on?
> > > Then force other windows like Dialogs and Messages and widows that
> > > have
> > > not had their position saved to be on the chosen screen?
> > >
> > > If not then i think gambas could really do with this feature.
> > > It was not my experience that all other applications behaved this
> > > way.
> > > only some.
> > >
> > > Respects
> > > BruceS
> > >
> >
> > The problem are the following:
> >
> > - You can't directly specifiy the screen a window is. You can only
> > specify its position, and the screen is deduced from that position
> > (all
> > screens making one sole big logical screen).
> >
> > - The window manager decides where a window appears. On X11, you can
> > suggest a position.
> >
> > - On Wayland, you can't specify a window position!
> >
> > So it's almost impossible to have a window opening intelligently
> > automatically in all cases. I will think a bit and see what I can do,
> > but I'm afraid that on Wayland we can't do anything.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> There are acouple of things here that I'd like to comment on.
>
> First, I see and agree with Benoit that "the window manager decides
> where a window appears". It is a right royal pain that most window
> managers either deny nor respect any wish that a window should appear
> on a particular "screen" i.e a specific virtual desktop "screen".
> Windows will appear by default on the current virtual desktop, no
> matter how I wish otherwise.
>
> Secondly, and more importantly as BruceS has intimated, there is no way
> that I can control where modal popups or message windows appear. But my
> wish would be this...
> I would really like the popups to be centered in the window that called
> the popup not just in the center of the screen. For example 1) when
> using an extended screen across two "X terminals" popups appear
> centered exactly on the entire screen. In other words, half on my
> primary display and half on the extended display. This is bad enough if
> both displays are running at the same resolution and worse if they are
> not. For example 2) if I am running several instances of a project
> tiled on the display (whether using an extended display or not) the
> popup appears in the center of the screen. This gives me no indication
> of which instance the message (for instance) belongs to. It would be
> much more preferrable that it was in the center of the window that it
> belongs to.
>

I figured out this Bruce..
The attached project has a Form.class and an override for ShowModal()
it checks if there is a calling window and notes it to get Window.Screen
info.

it creates a timer to move the window to the center of the correct calling
screen on opening if not on the same screen.

the attached project can be tested by moving the main window to a screen
and hit the Message button to open a message box

The override means it should operate on ANY ShowModal call your application
does itself or triggers. (it certainly works for Message() )

It could be modified to use the calling windows position and be positioned
relevant to the window and not just center screen

My be a good start to a fix :)
Just pop the Form.class into your own projects .src folder to have them use
it.

Respects
BruceS



------ File name Form.Class  ----------
' Gambas class file

Export

Public $MoveTimer As Timer
Private $actW As Window

Public Sub ShowModal() As Integer

  If Application.ActiveWindow Then
    $actW = Application.ActiveWindow
    $MoveTimer = New Timer As "MTimer"
    $MoveTimer.Delay = 0
    $MoveTimer.Start
  Endif

  Return Super.ShowModal()

End

Public Sub MTimer_Timer()

  $MoveTimer.Stop
  $MoveTimer = Null
  If Me.Screen = $actW.Screen Then Return

  Me.Move(((Screens[$actW.Screen].W - Me.W) / 2) + Screens[$actW.Screen].X,
    ((Screens[$actW.Screen].H - Me.H) / 2) + Screens[$actW.Screen].Y)

End
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From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Sun Nov  6 21:20:35 2022
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 21:20:35 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
In-Reply-To: <1db7b06d-3fad-ce10-c149-44e29e6a2b60@belmotek.net>
References: <fbd69270-a024-314c-577b-901139d3f850@libero.it>
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ok, I found the error
You have to change the line 56 of MMain.module [1]

It happens that when installing the package the installer copies the 
gambas executable in the system directory, this makes that the 
executable "mpDDclock" is registered, so when you create the .desktop 
that you will use to open the clock automatically, this .desktop has to 
point to "mpDDclock" that is what the system knows and not to 
"/home/mpDDDclock.gambas" that the system doesn't know.

[1]
'sApplicationPath = User.Home &/ "." & Application.Name &/ 
Application.Name & ".gambas"

sApplicationPath = "mpDDclock"

Regards.
Martin.


From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Sun Nov  6 21:34:58 2022
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 21:34:58 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
In-Reply-To: <ae9e0bf2-bade-0ca0-6012-d034bb03906d@belmotek.net>
References: <fbd69270-a024-314c-577b-901139d3f850@libero.it>
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Message-ID: <83e06769-e1c1-07c3-f78b-4bdef19ff579@belmotek.net>

Finally, all the data of the process.

https://imgur.com/16NSW9Y

1) On a system with Gambas3 IDE (3.17.3) package the program.
2) Then copy the program to a system without Gambas3 nothing at all, no 
IDE no runtime nothing.
3) Install the package and asked for the dependencies, install them and 
everything is working the first time.
Detail of the output in the terminal see attachment.

Regards.
Martin.
-------------- next part --------------
[testing at runtime sf_archlinux]$ sudo pacman -U mpddclock-0.1.0-1-any.pkg.tar.zst 
[sudo] contrase?a para testing: 
cargando los paquetes...
resolviendo dependencias...
:: Existen 2 proveedores disponibles para gambas3-gui:
:: Repositorio community
   1) gambas3-gb-gtk3  2) gambas3-gb-qt5

Introduzca un n?mero (por omisi?n=1): 2
buscando conflictos entre paquetes...

Paquetes (19) gambas3-gb-dbus-3.17.3-4  gambas3-gb-desktop-3.17.3-4
              gambas3-gb-form-3.17.3-4  gambas3-gb-form-mdi-3.17.3-4
              gambas3-gb-image-3.17.3-4  gambas3-gb-qt5-3.17.3-4
              gambas3-gb-sdl2-audio-3.17.3-4  gambas3-gb-settings-3.17.3-4
              gambas3-gb-util-3.17.3-4  gambas3-runtime-3.17.3-4
              minizip-1:1.2.13-1  opusfile-0.12-2  qt5-location-5.15.6+kde+r3-1
              qt5-webchannel-5.15.6+kde+r3-1  qt5-webengine-5.15.11-1
              re2-1:20220601-1  sdl2_mixer-2.6.2-1  snappy-1.1.9-2
              mpddclock-0.1.0-1

Tama?o total de la descarga:      51,70 MiB
Tama?o total de la instalaci?n:  163,06 MiB

:: ?Continuar con la instalaci?n? [S/n] s
:: Obteniendo los paquetes...
 qt5-webengine-5....    48,7 MiB  6,32 MiB/s 00:08 [######################] 100%
 qt5-location-5.1...  1204,4 KiB  5,71 MiB/s 00:00 [######################] 100%
 gambas3-runtime-...   569,8 KiB  4,38 MiB/s 00:00 [######################] 100%
 gambas3-gb-form-...   269,0 KiB  3,28 MiB/s 00:00 [######################] 100%
 gambas3-gb-qt5-3...   233,5 KiB  2,75 MiB/s 00:00 [######################] 100%
 re2-1:20220601-1...   158,3 KiB  2,58 MiB/s 00:00 [######################] 100%
 sdl2_mixer-2.6.2...   154,2 KiB  2,69 MiB/s 00:00 [######################] 100%
 qt5-webchannel-5...    74,9 KiB  1873 KiB/s 00:00 [######################] 100%
 opusfile-0.12-2-...    63,7 KiB  1723 KiB/s 00:00 [######################] 100%
 gambas3-gb-deskt...    60,3 KiB  1630 KiB/s 00:00 [######################] 100%
 gambas3-gb-dbus-...    53,9 KiB  1587 KiB/s 00:00 [######################] 100%
 gambas3-gb-form-...    53,0 KiB  1432 KiB/s 00:00 [######################] 100%
 gambas3-gb-util-...    45,9 KiB  1391 KiB/s 00:00 [######################] 100%
 gambas3-gb-image...    34,1 KiB  1136 KiB/s 00:00 [######################] 100%
 minizip-1:1.2.13...    27,6 KiB  1060 KiB/s 00:00 [######################] 100%
 snappy-1.1.9-2-x...    26,5 KiB   884 KiB/s 00:00 [######################] 100%
 gambas3-gb-sdl2-...    12,2 KiB   408 KiB/s 00:00 [######################] 100%
 gambas3-gb-setti...    12,0 KiB   443 KiB/s 00:00 [######################] 100%
 Total (18/18)          51,7 MiB  5,64 MiB/s 00:09 [######################] 100%
(19/19) comprobando las claves del dep?sito        [######################] 100%
(18/19) verificando la integridad de los paquetes  [######################] 100%
(18/19) cargando los archivos de los paquetes      [######################] 100%
(19/19) comprobando conflictos entre archivos      [######################] 100%
(19/19) comprobando el espacio disponible en e...  [######################] 100%
:: Procesando los cambios de los paquetes...
( 1/19) instalando gambas3-runtime                 [######################] 100%
( 2/19) instalando gambas3-gb-image                [######################] 100%
( 3/19) instalando qt5-webchannel                  [######################] 100%
( 4/19) instalando qt5-location                    [######################] 100%
( 5/19) instalando snappy                          [######################] 100%
( 6/19) instalando minizip                         [######################] 100%
( 7/19) instalando re2                             [######################] 100%
( 8/19) instalando qt5-webengine                   [######################] 100%
Dependencias opcionales para qt5-webengine
    pipewire: WebRTC desktop sharing under Wayland [instalado]
( 9/19) instalando gambas3-gb-qt5                  [######################] 100%
(10/19) instalando gambas3-gb-form                 [######################] 100%
(11/19) instalando gambas3-gb-dbus                 [######################] 100%
(12/19) instalando gambas3-gb-desktop              [######################] 100%
(13/19) instalando gambas3-gb-util                 [######################] 100%
(14/19) instalando gambas3-gb-settings             [######################] 100%
(15/19) instalando gambas3-gb-form-mdi             [######################] 100%
(16/19) instalando opusfile                        [######################] 100%
(17/19) instalando sdl2_mixer                      [######################] 100%
Dependencias opcionales para sdl2_mixer
    fluidsynth: MIDI software synth, replaces built-in timidity [instalado]
(18/19) instalando gambas3-gb-sdl2-audio           [######################] 100%
(19/19) instalando mpddclock                       [######################] 100%
:: Ejecutando los ?hooks? de posinstalaci?n...
(1/2) Arming ConditionNeedsUpdate...
(2/2) Updating the desktop file MIME type cache...
[testing at runtime sf_archlinux]$ 

From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 21:43:12 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 20:43:12 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] an observation on window placement with multiple
 screens
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCAWmU81q6iP0CfeZ8=+kPxfT97iMS22BF6LKg3VPn8W-w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CABuQYCDaD0vG8YGFTv1z5gurPeRqkk0umvKrvC_-i4ZR6BZd0w@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 at 20:05, Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 at 14:17, bb <adamnt42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2022-10-13 at 14:42 +0200, Benoit Minisini wrote:
>> > Le 13/10/2022 ? 14:03, Bruce Steers a ?crit :
>>
>> Secondly, and more importantly as BruceS has intimated, there is no way
>> that I can control where modal popups or message windows appear. But my
>> wish would be this...
>> I would really like the popups to be centered in the window that called
>> the popup not just in the center of the screen. For example 1) when
>> using an extended screen across two "X terminals" popups appear
>> centered exactly on the entire screen. In other words, half on my
>> primary display and half on the extended display. This is bad enough if
>> both displays are running at the same resolution and worse if they are
>> not. For example 2) if I am running several instances of a project
>> tiled on the display (whether using an extended display or not) the
>> popup appears in the center of the screen. This gives me no indication
>> of which instance the message (for instance) belongs to. It would be
>> much more preferrable that it was in the center of the window that it
>> belongs to.
>>
>
> I figured out this Bruce..
> The attached project has a Form.class and an override for ShowModal()
> it checks if there is a calling window and notes it to get Window.Screen
> info.
>
> it creates a timer to move the window to the center of the correct calling
> screen on opening if not on the same screen.
>
> the attached project can be tested by moving the main window to a screen
> and hit the Message button to open a message box
>
> The override means it should operate on ANY ShowModal call your
> application does itself or triggers. (it certainly works for Message() )
>

Note:
You can make it only work on Message windows (and others you select) and
not All your other modal windows by inspecting the window name (Ie.
Message.class uses FMessage)

like so...

Public Sub ShowModal() As Integer

  If Application.ActiveWindow And if Me.Name = "FMessage" Then
    $actW = Application.ActiveWindow
    $MoveTimer = New Timer As "MTimer"
    $MoveTimer.Delay = 0
    $MoveTimer.Start
  Endif

  Return Super.ShowModal()

End

All the best.

BruceS
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From bagoneo at libero.it  Sun Nov  6 23:29:20 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 23:29:20 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
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Il 06/11/22 21:34, Martin ha scritto:
> Finally, all the data of the process.
> 
> https://imgur.com/16NSW9Y
> 
> 1) On a system with Gambas3 IDE (3.17.3) package the program.
> 2) Then copy the program to a system without Gambas3 nothing at all, no 
> IDE no runtime nothing.
> 3) Install the package and asked for the dependencies, install them and 
> everything is working the first time.
> Detail of the output in the terminal see attachment.
> 
> Regards.
> Martin.
> 

Hi Martin,

I thank you very much for your many tests.
You make me feel like a jerk since I have not tested your organizer yet.
Unfortunately, yours can't be the solution because that way it doesn't 
work if you have the IDE installed.
And it is not possible to know beforehand for sure whether you start 
from the IDE or from the packages, Tobias had demonstrated that in a 
discussion that I can't find anymore :-(

I will try to reciprocate, but now I am tired and going to sleep.

Greetings

Gianluigi

From bagoneo at libero.it  Sun Nov  6 23:33:50 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 23:33:50 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
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Il 06/11/22 17:56, T Lee Davidson ha scritto:
> On 11/5/22 18:37, gian via User wrote:
> 

> Then, perhaps, simply use the Gambas IDE package creator (Project -> 
> Make -> Installation package)?
> 
> ...

> Why complicate things more than necessary? Why try to reinvent the 
> wheel? Why write scripts or shell commands to do what the package 
> creator already does rather well? Do we rewrite existing Gambas 
> Components? No, we use the tools that already exist provided they 
> produce an adequate solution. (I think Bruce invents excuses to write a 
> program or script! :-P And, I can understand that as I have found myself 
> doing the same thing once or thrice.)
> 
> ...
> I was referring to making an installation package as mentioned above.
> 

Hi Lee,

Look you completely misunderstood my intentions.
I wanted to do a project that would work in the Gambas way, a 100% 
orthodox project.
It is only my ignorance that led me to think that the one I had 
undertaken was the right way.

Tomorrow I will calmly try to understand what you are suggesting and try 
to do it.

I thank you

Gianluigi


From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 23:50:01 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 22:50:01 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] an observation on window placement with multiple
 screens
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On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 at 20:43, Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 at 20:05, Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 at 14:17, bb <adamnt42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 2022-10-13 at 14:42 +0200, Benoit Minisini wrote:
>>> > Le 13/10/2022 ? 14:03, Bruce Steers a ?crit :
>>>
>>> Secondly, and more importantly as BruceS has intimated, there is no way
>>> that I can control where modal popups or message windows appear. But my
>>> wish would be this...
>>> I would really like the popups to be centered in the window that called
>>> the popup not just in the center of the screen. For example 1) when
>>> using an extended screen across two "X terminals" popups appear
>>> centered exactly on the entire screen. In other words, half on my
>>> primary display and half on the extended display. This is bad enough if
>>> both displays are running at the same resolution and worse if they are
>>> not. For example 2) if I am running several instances of a project
>>> tiled on the display (whether using an extended display or not) the
>>> popup appears in the center of the screen. This gives me no indication
>>> of which instance the message (for instance) belongs to. It would be
>>> much more preferrable that it was in the center of the window that it
>>> belongs to.
>>>
>>
>> I figured out this Bruce..
>> The attached project has a Form.class and an override for ShowModal()
>> it checks if there is a calling window and notes it to get Window.Screen
>> info.
>>
>> it creates a timer to move the window to the center of the correct
>> calling screen on opening if not on the same screen.
>>
>> the attached project can be tested by moving the main window to a screen
>> and hit the Message button to open a message box
>>
>> The override means it should operate on ANY ShowModal call your
>> application does itself or triggers. (it certainly works for Message() )
>>
>
> Note:
> You can make it only work on Message windows (and others you select) and
> not All your other modal windows by inspecting the window name (Ie.
> Message.class uses FMessage)
>
> like so...
>
> Public Sub ShowModal() As Integer
>
>   If Application.ActiveWindow And if Me.Name = "FMessage" Then
>     $actW = Application.ActiveWindow
>     $MoveTimer = New Timer As "MTimer"
>     $MoveTimer.Delay = 0
>     $MoveTimer.Start
>   Endif
>
>   Return Super.ShowModal()
>
> End
>
> All the best.
>
> BruceS
>


i've edited it to have a couple of additional properies...

*Form.ModalMode*
select a mode
can be  MODAL_NORMAL, MODAL_SAMESCREEN, MODAL_WINDOWSTACK,
MODAL_WINDOWCENTER

 MODAL_NORMAL, normal gambas mode
 MODAL_SAMESCREEN, move centered on the same screen as the active window
 MODAL_WINDOWSTACK, move to the calling windows TopLeft position
 MODAL_WINDOWCENTER, move centered to the active window

*Form.ModalMode_Windows* As String[]
to limit the windows it will operate on by checking the Forms name
Eg.
Form.ModalMode_Windows = ["FMessage", "FInputBox"]

Attached is a simple test app to see the different modes on the message box.

Maybe this will help others , or even inspire our Ben to implement
something similar in the matrix :)

Respects
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 01:14:59 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2022 00:14:59 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] an observation on window placement with multiple
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On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 at 22:50, Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> i've edited it to have a couple of additional properies...
>
> *Form.ModalMode*
> select a mode
> can be  MODAL_NORMAL, MODAL_SAMESCREEN, MODAL_WINDOWSTACK,
> MODAL_WINDOWCENTER
>
>  MODAL_NORMAL, normal gambas mode
>  MODAL_SAMESCREEN, move centered on the same screen as the active window
>  MODAL_WINDOWSTACK, move to the calling windows TopLeft position
>  MODAL_WINDOWCENTER, move centered to the active window
>
> *Form.ModalMode_Windows* As String[]
> to limit the windows it will operate on by checking the Forms name
> Eg.
> Form.ModalMode_Windows = ["FMessage", "FInputBox"]
>
> Attached is a simple test app to see the different modes on the message
> box.
>
> Maybe this will help others , or even inspire our Ben to implement
> something similar in the matrix :)
>
> Respects
>


Oops a bug, sorry.
had to add the line "Create Static" to the top of the Form.class or it
breaks things like InputBox()
Tested now with inputbox and it behaves the same as message with the
ModalMode options.

Respects
BruceS
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From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Mon Nov  7 01:46:44 2022
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2022 01:46:44 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
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El 6/11/22 a las 23:29, gian via User escribi?:
> Unfortunately, yours can't be the solution because that way it doesn't 
> work if you have the IDE installed.
> And it is not possible to know beforehand for sure whether you start 
> from the IDE or from the packages ...

As my wife says, relax Max. Don't worry.

The "solution" works, it doesn't matter if you have the ide installed or 
not, what matters is that you install the package.
And while we're at it, I think the best way to distribute an application 
is through the package, but if you still don't want to use the package 
it is possible that the application "knows" how it is working if from 
the ide or from the installed executable, like follow:

'' Indicates if the program is running from the IDE or from an 
executable only using prawn code.

Static Public Function WhereRun() As Integer

   Dim strProcess As String
   Dim intRun As Integer

   strProcess = File.Load("/proc" &/ CStr(Application.Id) &/ "comm")

   If Left(strProcess, 4) = "gbx3" Then

     intRun = 1
   Else
     intRun = 0
   Endif

   Return intRun

End

Regards.
Martin.

From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 04:47:19 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 22:47:19 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
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On 11/6/22 17:33, gian via User wrote:
> Look?you?completely?misunderstood?my?intentions.
> I wanted to do a project that would work in the Gambas way, a 100% orthodox?project.
> It is only my ignorance that led me to think that the one I had undertaken?was?the?right?way.

I wondered if I had perhaps missed something or misunderstood in the midst of my confusion. I just could not understand why you, 
it seemed to me, were making things more complicated than they needed to be, thereby causing yourself difficulty and frustration.

There can be, BTW, more than one "right" way to do a thing; especially in (personal) software design. If it gets the job done 
without any undue side effects, who's to say it isn't right?


-- 
Lee


From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 17:22:10 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2022 16:22:10 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] an observation on window placement with multiple
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On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 at 00:14, Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 at 22:50, Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> i've edited it to have a couple of additional properies...
>>
>> *Form.ModalMode*
>> select a mode
>> can be  MODAL_NORMAL, MODAL_SAMESCREEN, MODAL_WINDOWSTACK,
>> MODAL_WINDOWCENTER
>>
>>  MODAL_NORMAL, normal gambas mode
>>  MODAL_SAMESCREEN, move centered on the same screen as the active window
>>  MODAL_WINDOWSTACK, move to the calling windows TopLeft position
>>  MODAL_WINDOWCENTER, move centered to the active window
>>
>> *Form.ModalMode_Windows* As String[]
>> to limit the windows it will operate on by checking the Forms name
>> Eg.
>> Form.ModalMode_Windows = ["FMessage", "FInputBox"]
>>
>> Attached is a simple test app to see the different modes on the message
>> box.
>>
>> Maybe this will help others , or even inspire our Ben to implement
>> something similar in the matrix :)
>>
>> Respects
>>
>

I made a few updates to this routine.
I added a *Form.ModalUseForm* property so if you set it to FMain then all
modal windows use the selected ModalMode on FMain and not the Active window
(i figured ActiveWindow could change and not be what you want)

It's kinda handy not just as a fix for opening on the same screen as your
app but also nice if you have another reason for messages and other modal
windows to stick to a particular window and not just be center screen.


Rather than keep posting it here you can get it at the gambasone forum

 https://forum.gambas.one/viewtopic.php?t=1407

Benoit, would you consider something like this for us ?
Having modals and other windows open on the same screen as the application
is quite beneficial and to be frank, the fact it's not how it works by
default is a bit of a let down. (hence my initial moaning)
 I tried while on holiday to have a movie playing on the cabins telly
through the laptops hdmi while doing gambas on the laptop screen. it was
impossible as the display config had the telly above the laptop. i wish i
had know then that if i had it so the laptop was to the left of the telly
then my windows would have popped up on the correct screen. swapping
screens primary/secondary had no effect.

Having them cling to another window is also beneficial (and btw it fixed
the other Bruces issue and made him very happy)

But the way I'm doing it here is clearly a tacky workaround (an awesome
tacky workaround ;) ) as the window opens at it's original position for a
moment then moves to the desired one.
possibly you could open up a similar method as I have implemented here.

To be blunt using gambas on multiple screens can be rubbish. It is only
practical if the screens are a certain way round, otherwise every window
that does not use Settings.Write() opens on the wrong screen.
This can be said for any gambas application including the gambas IDE

It would be good if all forms/windows could have an option or by default
attempt to either stick to A) the active screen , B) a selected screen, C)
the active window, D) a selected window.

I understand that some desktops like wayland do not support it but it's be
great to have the option/feature if on a system that does.
Or could it be possible that I could use the above mentioned code I made
but could somehow modify the modal windows position "before" it opens?


Many Respects
BruceS
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From bagoneo at libero.it  Mon Nov  7 17:29:39 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2022 17:29:39 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
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Il 07/11/22 01:46, Martin ha scritto:

> As my wife says, relax Max. Don't worry.
> 
> The "solution" works, it doesn't matter if you have the ide installed or 
> not, what matters is that you install the package...

Hi Martin,

I am relaxed, or at least I am no more stressed than usual :-)

I tried to package the project by changing sApplicationPath and it works 
great.
Thank you very much.

Instead, the code you propose for figuring out if you are in the IDE I 
don't implement it.
If Tobias tells me it is not done it is dogma to me.

I hope you don't mind that I added you in the authors.
I explained in the help the difference between starting from IDE and 
packaging.

I also uncovered a bug in FAlarm that I fixed.

Tomorrow I get my second buster plus flu shot, If you don't hear back, 
it's not out of discourtesy.

Regards

Gianluigi


From gambas at servinfo.it  Mon Nov  7 17:51:01 2022
From: gambas at servinfo.it (Marco Ancillotti)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2022 17:51:01 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] webform questions.
Message-ID: <855584d6-8e93-b7dc-a634-4219bb44bc77@servinfo.it>

Hi all ,

i'm rewriting some tools from gambas desktop (kde) to gambas webform.

I've made 99% of work but I can't find a way to make two things:

1) I need to open a url in a new tab passing some parameters , I've made 
it works in plain html and
 ??? I've put it in a webhtml container that works but I would like to 
do it directly in a gambas webbutton.

 ??? The code I use in the webhtml is:

 ??? <form action="http://miohost/xxx/yyy.cgi" method="GET">
 ??? <input type="hidden" name="user" value="pippo">
 ??? <input type="hidden" name="pass" value="pluto">
 ??? <button type="submit" formtarget="_blank"/>Open in new 
tab</button></form>

 ??? This open a new tab passing values, but I can't find a way to made 
the same in the _click code of a webbutton.


2) I have a webtabpanel , is there a way to delete/disable/hide a tab ? 
I can do it on gambas/kde but I don't find
 ??? a way to do it in the webtabpanel.


Thank's in advance,
marco.


From gambas at servinfo.it  Mon Nov  7 17:51:01 2022
From: gambas at servinfo.it (Marco Ancillotti)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2022 17:51:01 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] webform questions.
Message-ID: <855584d6-8e93-b7dc-a634-4219bb44bc77@servinfo.it>

Hi all ,

i'm rewriting some tools from gambas desktop (kde) to gambas webform.

I've made 99% of work but I can't find a way to make two things:

1) I need to open a url in a new tab passing some parameters , I've made 
it works in plain html and
 ??? I've put it in a webhtml container that works but I would like to 
do it directly in a gambas webbutton.

 ??? The code I use in the webhtml is:

 ??? <form action="http://miohost/xxx/yyy.cgi" method="GET">
 ??? <input type="hidden" name="user" value="pippo">
 ??? <input type="hidden" name="pass" value="pluto">
 ??? <button type="submit" formtarget="_blank"/>Open in new 
tab</button></form>

 ??? This open a new tab passing values, but I can't find a way to made 
the same in the _click code of a webbutton.


2) I have a webtabpanel , is there a way to delete/disable/hide a tab ? 
I can do it on gambas/kde but I don't find
 ??? a way to do it in the webtabpanel.


Thank's in advance,
marco.


From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 18:19:01 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2022 17:19:01 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] webform questions.
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References: <855584d6-8e93-b7dc-a634-4219bb44bc77@servinfo.it>
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On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 at 16:57, Marco Ancillotti <gambas at servinfo.it> wrote:

> Hi all ,
>
> i'm rewriting some tools from gambas desktop (kde) to gambas webform.
>
> I've made 99% of work but I can't find a way to make two things:
>
> 1) I need to open a url in a new tab passing some parameters , I've made
> it works in plain html and
>      I've put it in a webhtml container that works but I would like to
> do it directly in a gambas webbutton.
>
>      The code I use in the webhtml is:
>
>      <form action="http://miohost/xxx/yyy.cgi" method="GET">
>      <input type="hidden" name="user" value="pippo">
>      <input type="hidden" name="pass" value="pluto">
>      <button type="submit" formtarget="_blank"/>Open in new
> tab</button></form>
>
>      This open a new tab passing values, but I can't find a way to made
> the same in the _click code of a webbutton.
>
>
> 2) I have a webtabpanel , is there a way to delete/disable/hide a tab ?
> I can do it on gambas/kde but I don't find
>      a way to do it in the webtabpanel.
>
>
> Thank's in advance,
> marco.
>

for question 2
 WebTabPanel1.Remove(Index As Integer)
to remove the tab at Index

there does not seem to be a way to disable/hide
BruceS
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From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 19:10:14 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2022 13:10:14 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] webform questions.
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On 11/7/22 11:51, Marco Ancillotti wrote:
> 1) I need to open a url in a new tab passing some parameters , I've made it?works?in?plain?html?and
>  ??? I've put it in a webhtml container that works but I would like to do?it?directly?in?a?gambas?webbutton.
> 
>  ????The?code?I?use?in?the?webhtml?is:
> 
>  ????<form?action="http://miohost/xxx/yyy.cgi"?method="GET">
>  ????<input?type="hidden"?name="user"?value="pippo">
>  ????<input?type="hidden"?name="pass"?value="pluto">
>  ??? <button type="submit" formtarget="_blank"/>Open in new tab</button></form>
> 
>  ??? This open a new tab passing values, but I can't find a way to made the?same?in?the?_click?code?of?a?webbutton.

Do you mean the Click event of WebButton? See:
http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp/gb.web.gui/webbutton/immediate

I have not worked with gb.web.gui, so I am unsure exactly how to generate javascript on the client side. Nonetheless, if I am 
understanding the documentation correctly, you would need to give your form a name, for example:
<form name=myForm action="http://miohost/xxx/yyy.cgi" method="GET">

and then generate this javascript code in the Click event of your WebButton:
document.myForm.submit()


Now you may already know this, so for the sake of others: by using the GET method in your form, you are sending the "user" and 
"pass" values in clear text in the URL.


-- 
Lee


From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 19:17:53 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2022 18:17:53 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] webform questions.
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On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 at 16:57, Marco Ancillotti <gambas at servinfo.it> wrote:

> Hi all ,
>
> i'm rewriting some tools from gambas desktop (kde) to gambas webform.
>
>
> 2) I have a webtabpanel , is there a way to delete/disable/hide a tab ?
> I can do it on gambas/kde but I don't find
>      a way to do it in the webtabpanel.
>
>
> Thank's in advance,
> marco.
>

Hey marco
Find attached a little tester i just did.
What I have done..  (and you can do similar things just as easy)

*  I imported the WebTabPanel.class from gb.web.gui and renamed it to
WebTabPanel2.class
*  I then added a Tabs property that points to the WebTabPanels
WebContainer[] array $aTab.

Now by referencing WebTabPanel1.Tabs[0] i have control of that individual
WebContainer object.

I can set WebTabPanel1.Tabs[0].Enabled and it will only disable the
container in tab 0
You could probably do some other things.
I also exposed the $sText array so that all the tab texts can be set in one
hit.
WebTabPanel1.TabTexts = ["1st Tab", "2nd Tab", "3rd Tab"]

In the attached project there is a 3 tab panel, you can enable/disable tab
2 and delete tab 3

Hope it helps.
BruceS
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 19:45:56 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2022 18:45:56 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] webform questions.
In-Reply-To: <855584d6-8e93-b7dc-a634-4219bb44bc77@servinfo.it>
References: <855584d6-8e93-b7dc-a634-4219bb44bc77@servinfo.it>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCBzd67km2NGQ9aG-cv3s_Q+0brr7W87anv7ePt09QQHjg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 at 16:57, Marco Ancillotti <gambas at servinfo.it> wrote:

> Hi all ,
>
> i'm rewriting some tools from gambas desktop (kde) to gambas webform.
>
> I've made 99% of work but I can't find a way to make two things:
>
> I can do it on gambas/kde but I don't find
>      a way to do it in the webtabpanel.
>


to be honest you just can't compare gb.gui with gb.web.gui.

the gambas gb.gui (kde) uses quite advanced and configurable toolkits on
the linux platforms to make GUIs

gb.web.gui is having to do what it can with available HTML/Javascript/css
code because it is not your gui toolkits doing things but just your web
browser. So it is no way near as advanced or comparable to the gui toolkits.

also it is not hugely used so it's a little under-developed, the
WebTabPanel for example i would think could do with being able to
enable/disable tabs and set tab text without having to cycle through the
indexes. but I guess there's never been any call for it.

So i'm just saying you cannot compare gb.web.gui to gb.gui, they are very
different and you will find gb.web.gui quite limited in some places when it
comes to converting complex gb.gui projects and you may need to find some
workarounds to fit the html limitations.

But as i just showed you with the WebTabPanel2.class it's pretty easy to
modify components to suit your more complex needs.

But now don't let that stop you coming here to the mailing list and saying
things like "hey, gb.web.gui needs to do this.." !
A suggestion for improvement is always a suggestion worth making  :)

Respects
BruceS
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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Mon Nov  7 20:10:53 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2022 20:10:53 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] webform questions.
In-Reply-To: <855584d6-8e93-b7dc-a634-4219bb44bc77@servinfo.it>
References: <855584d6-8e93-b7dc-a634-4219bb44bc77@servinfo.it>
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Le 07/11/2022 ? 17:51, Marco Ancillotti a ?crit?:
> Hi all ,
> 
> i'm rewriting some tools from gambas desktop (kde) to gambas webform.
> 
> I've made 99% of work but I can't find a way to make two things:
> 
> 1) I need to open a url in a new tab passing some parameters , I've made 
> it works in plain html and
>  ??? I've put it in a webhtml container that works but I would like to 
> do it directly in a gambas webbutton.
> 
>  ??? The code I use in the webhtml is:
> 
>  ??? <form action="http://miohost/xxx/yyy.cgi" method="GET">
>  ??? <input type="hidden" name="user" value="pippo">
>  ??? <input type="hidden" name="pass" value="pluto">
>  ??? <button type="submit" formtarget="_blank"/>Open in new 
> tab</button></form>
> 
>  ??? This open a new tab passing values, but I can't find a way to made 
> the same in the _click code of a webbutton.
> 

To run some javascript into the browser from an event handler, use the 
WebForm.Exec() method.

> 
> 2) I have a webtabpanel , is there a way to delete/disable/hide a tab ? 
> I can do it on gambas/kde but I don't find
>  ??? a way to do it in the webtabpanel.
> 

There is no API for that at the moment.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 20:30:04 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2022 19:30:04 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] webform questions.
In-Reply-To: <cecd96e1-23ee-8bbc-41a6-f26dbdafc4d1@gambas-basic.org>
References: <855584d6-8e93-b7dc-a634-4219bb44bc77@servinfo.it>
 <cecd96e1-23ee-8bbc-41a6-f26dbdafc4d1@gambas-basic.org>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCBUyqyZN4qHQ0Pqja=Ma1f2yE7+fmyrd0oyoxP68C1q1A@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 at 19:11, Benoit Minisini <
benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org> wrote:

> Le 07/11/2022 ? 17:51, Marco Ancillotti a ?crit :
> > Hi all ,
> >
> > i'm rewriting some tools from gambas desktop (kde) to gambas webform.
> >
> > I've made 99% of work but I can't find a way to make two things:
> >
> > 1) I need to open a url in a new tab passing some parameters , I've made
> > it works in plain html and
> >      I've put it in a webhtml container that works but I would like to
> > do it directly in a gambas webbutton.
> >
> >      The code I use in the webhtml is:
> >
> >      <form action="http://miohost/xxx/yyy.cgi" method="GET">
> >      <input type="hidden" name="user" value="pippo">
> >      <input type="hidden" name="pass" value="pluto">
> >      <button type="submit" formtarget="_blank"/>Open in new
> > tab</button></form>
> >
> >      This open a new tab passing values, but I can't find a way to made
> > the same in the _click code of a webbutton.
> >
>
> To run some javascript into the browser from an event handler, use the
> WebForm.Exec() method.
>
> >
> > 2) I have a webtabpanel , is there a way to delete/disable/hide a tab ?
> > I can do it on gambas/kde but I don't find
> >      a way to do it in the webtabpanel.
> >
>
> There is no API for that at the moment.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini.
>

what about just adding a simple _get() to it Ben?

Public Function _get(Index As Integer) As WebContainer

  Return $aTab[Index]

End

Then could use WebTabPanel[0].Enabled or any individual WebContainer you
wanted.

Or would you prefer a hidden _WebTabPanelContainer.class to only permit
certain actions?
(i've done that too, has Enabled and Text only)

Respects
BruceS
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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Mon Nov  7 20:35:34 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2022 20:35:34 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] webform questions.
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References: <855584d6-8e93-b7dc-a634-4219bb44bc77@servinfo.it>
 <cecd96e1-23ee-8bbc-41a6-f26dbdafc4d1@gambas-basic.org>
 <CABuQYCBUyqyZN4qHQ0Pqja=Ma1f2yE7+fmyrd0oyoxP68C1q1A@mail.gmail.com>
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Le 07/11/2022 ? 20:30, Bruce Steers a ?crit?:
> 
> what about just adding a simple _get() to it Ben?
> 
> Public Function _get(Index As Integer) As WebContainer
> 
>  ? Return $aTab[Index]
> 
> End
> 
> Then could use WebTabPanel[0].Enabled or any individual WebContainer you 
> wanted.
> 
> Or would you prefer a hidden _WebTabPanelContainer.class to only permit 
> certain actions?
> (i've done that too, has Enabled and Text only)
> 
> Respects
> BruceS
> 

It's more complex than just accessing the underlying containers, if we 
want to hide tabs.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 21:53:43 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2022 20:53:43 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] webform questions.
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On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 at 19:36, Benoit Minisini <
benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org> wrote:

> Le 07/11/2022 ? 20:30, Bruce Steers a ?crit :
> >
> > what about just adding a simple _get() to it Ben?
> >
> > Public Function _get(Index As Integer) As WebContainer
> >
> >    Return $aTab[Index]
> >
> > End
> >
> > Then could use WebTabPanel[0].Enabled or any individual WebContainer you
> > wanted.
> >
> > Or would you prefer a hidden _WebTabPanelContainer.class to only permit
> > certain actions?
> > (i've done that too, has Enabled and Text only)
> >
> > Respects
> > BruceS
> >
>
> It's more complex than just accessing the underlying containers, if we
> want to hide tabs.
>
> Regards,
>

Yes i was thinking about the "hide" that did not seem so simple.
at least being able to access the containers we can disable/enable and
add/remove contents (plus other options)

Are we likely to break things accessing the underlying containers?

I can hide tabs by setting the Enabled property and modifying the _Render()
event
(i tried with the .Visible property but it failed)

So find attached here Marco a WebTabPanel2.class that will hide tabs by
setting their enabled property (sadly not Visible property)
Do something like this to toggle hidden state..

  WebTabPanel1[1].Enabled = Not WebTabPanel1[1].Enabled
  WebTabPanel1.Refresh

Well wishes
BruceS
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 22:33:03 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2022 21:33:03 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] webform questions.
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On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 at 20:53, Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 at 19:36, Benoit Minisini <
> benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org> wrote:
>
>> Le 07/11/2022 ? 20:30, Bruce Steers a ?crit :
>> >
>> > what about just adding a simple _get() to it Ben?
>> >
>> > Public Function _get(Index As Integer) As WebContainer
>> >
>> >    Return $aTab[Index]
>> >
>> > End
>> >
>> > Then could use WebTabPanel[0].Enabled or any individual WebContainer
>> you
>> > wanted.
>> >
>> > Or would you prefer a hidden _WebTabPanelContainer.class to only permit
>> > certain actions?
>> > (i've done that too, has Enabled and Text only)
>> >
>> > Respects
>> > BruceS
>> >
>>
>> It's more complex than just accessing the underlying containers, if we
>> want to hide tabs.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>
> Yes i was thinking about the "hide" that did not seem so simple.
> at least being able to access the containers we can disable/enable and
> add/remove contents (plus other options)
>
> Are we likely to break things accessing the underlying containers?
>
> I can hide tabs by setting the Enabled property and modifying the
> _Render() event
> (i tried with the .Visible property but it failed)
>
> So find attached here Marco a WebTabPanel2.class that will hide tabs by
> setting their enabled property (sadly not Visible property)
> Do something like this to toggle hidden state..
>
>   WebTabPanel1[1].Enabled = Not WebTabPanel1[1].Enabled
>   WebTabPanel1.Refresh
>

Dang, Almost perfect, sorry,
that glitches if you are on tab 2 and remove tab 2 the contents do not
refresh, so fix by changing the index

Public Sub HideTab2()  ' toggle Tab2 (indexed at 1)

  Dim bEnable As Boolean = Not WebTabPanel1[1].Enabled
  WebTabPanel1[1].Enabled = bEnable
  If WebTabPanel1.Index = 1 And If Not bEnable Then WebTabPanel1.Index =  0
  WebTabPanel1.Refresh
End

Note, you can set index to a hidden tab and it will show it's contents so
avoid doing that.

Respects
BruceS
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  8 14:37:37 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2022 13:37:37 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Custom ShowModal() Is it good enough?
Message-ID: <CABuQYCCEPqLXkDPQnEpqH1DnHrsQVjRhX8VxRcVRom+93tF=pg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all.

Would the following code be an acceptable ShowModal() override/replacement
in a Form.class for a pseudo modal window?
This overrides modal window positioning center screen, with properties
StickyModals and StickyForms it forces modals or forms to center on active
window if required and if a forms X,Y has not been explicitly set.

My doubt is in the way i am making ShowModal() open a non-modal window but
in a modal mode (i think)
Can someone look at the ShowModal() method I've used and let me know if
it's missing anything vital that a modal window requires?

Attached is a test application that shows how it works, you can
enable/disable the properties and test Message, Modal, Form opening.

Thanks in advance
BruceS


' Gambas class file

Create Static

Export

Private $bIsModal As Boolean
Private $iModalValue As Integer

'' Make all modal windows center on the active window
Static Property StickyModals As Boolean Use $bStickyModals
'' Make all form windows without X,Y set center on the active window
Static Property StickyForm As Boolean Use $bStickyForm

Public Sub Show()

  Dim XY As Integer = -16 ' gtk uses -16 and a non set position value, qt
uses 0
  If Component.IsLoaded("gb.qt4") Or If Component.IsLoaded("gb.qt5") Then
xy = 0

  If $bStickyForm And If Me.X = xy And If Me.Y = xy And If
Application.ActiveWindow Then MoveMe
  Super.Show

End

Private Sub MoveMe()

  With Application.ActiveWindow
    Me.Move(.X + (.W / 2) - (Me.W / 2), .Y + (.H / 2) - (Me.H / 2))
  End With

End

Public Sub ShowModal() As Integer

  If $bStickyModals And If Application.ActiveWindow Then
    Dim hWin As Window = Application.ActiveWindow
    Dim bEnabled As Boolean = hWin.Enabled
    $bIsModal = True
    MoveMe
    hWin.Enabled = False
    Me.Utility = True
    Me.Show
    While Object.IsValid(Me)
      Wait 0.1
    Wend

    hWin.Enabled = bEnabled

    Return $iModalValue

  Else
    Return Super.ShowModal()
  Endif

End

Public Sub Close(Optional Value As Integer) As Boolean

  If $bIsModal Then
    $iModalValue = Value
  Endif
  Super.Close(Value)

End
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From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Tue Nov  8 15:07:24 2022
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2022 15:07:24 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
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El 7/11/22 a las 17:29, gian via User escribi?:
> I tried to package the project by changing sApplicationPath and it works 
> great.
> Instead, the code you propose for figuring out if you are in the IDE I 
> don't implement it.
> If Tobias tells me it is not done it is dogma to me.

> I hope you don't mind that I added you in the authors.
> I explained in the help the difference between starting from IDE and 
> packaging.
> 
> I also uncovered a bug in FAlarm that I fixed.
> 
> Tomorrow I get my second buster plus flu shot, If you don't hear back, 
> it's not out of discourtesy.

I'm glad it works with the path change.
About the method to know if it runs in the IDE or not, why is it not 
done, what is the reason?
Regarding being on the authors list, it is not necessary, but thanks for 
the courtesy, you are very kind.
I am interested in the method to make something autostart from gambas, 
since I have a program called Giskard which is to mount network 
directories using sshfs but to make it start you just have to add it by 
hand in "autostart".
I hope all goes well with the vaccines.
Best regards.
Martin.



From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Tue Nov  8 16:07:00 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2022 10:07:00 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
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On 11/8/22 09:07, Martin wrote:
> I am interested in the method to make something autostart from gambas, since I have a program called Giskard which is to mount 
> network directories using sshfs but to make it start you just have to add it by hand?in?"autostart".

Just FYI, KDE desktop settings configuration utility (called System Settings for some reason) has, in "Startup and Shutdown", an 
Autostart tab which allows for programs and scripts to be added (under the hood to "autostart" and "autostart-scripts", 
respectively). Perhaps other desktops have a similar facility.


-- 
Lee


From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Tue Nov  8 16:19:16 2022
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2022 16:19:16 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic Startup
In-Reply-To: <ef16423d-b6d1-1b84-00d4-4aeef5b24e42@gmail.com>
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El 8/11/22 a las 16:07, T Lee Davidson escribi?:
> Just FYI, KDE desktop settings configuration utility (called System 
> Settings for some reason) has, in "Startup and Shutdown", an Autostart 
> tab which allows for programs and scripts to be added (under the hood to 
> "autostart" and "autostart-scripts", respectively). Perhaps other 
> desktops have a similar facility.
Yes, of course there are tools in all serius desktops, indeed I use one 
of this en XFCE.

From bagoneo at libero.it  Tue Nov  8 17:13:23 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2022 17:13:23 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Beta testing - Photo organizer.
Message-ID: <accb9df2-f55f-e4af-aa57-8911209a7a09@libero.it>


Hi Martin,

I tried to get photo-organizer-main to work but I can't :-(

Here's what I did:

I installed libexif-dev
I connected my phone with the USB cable to transfer the photos
in pictures I created two folders (organizer and organizer2) to tell the 
program where to download.
i downloaded photo-organizer-main version 0.0.6
on startup it gives me division by zero error on line 109 of FMain 
(iRemaining = (Config.PicturesQty) / Config.PicturesRatio)

then i downloaded version 0.0.5

a window pops up I click on the Directory button (there is a memory 
drawn) and navigate to the folder 
/run/user/1000/gvfs/mtp:host=...DCIM/Camera where I see all the pictures 
but I can't select anything.

What am I doing wrong?

Regards

Gianluigi

From gambas at servinfo.it  Tue Nov  8 18:03:14 2022
From: gambas at servinfo.it (Marco Ancillotti)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2022 18:03:14 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] webform questions.
In-Reply-To: <855584d6-8e93-b7dc-a634-4219bb44bc77@servinfo.it>
References: <855584d6-8e93-b7dc-a634-4219bb44bc77@servinfo.it>
Message-ID: <e4508908-814b-82c5-0a73-f70e297294eb@servinfo.it>

Il 07/11/22 17:51, Marco Ancillotti ha scritto:

Thank's to all for the answers !


* For the first question if I understand well I have to:

- Put a button and set it immediate = true
- Convert my:

/<form action=//"http://miohost/xxx/yyy.cgi"//method="GET"><input 
type="hidden" name="user" value="pippo"> //
//<input type="hidden" name="pass" value="pluto"><button type="submit" 
formtarget="_blank"/>Open in new tab</button></form>/

/to Javascript./

- Create a button _click event where i run webform.exec(<javascript code 
as string>)

is it right ?


* For the Second question I can adapt my code to use 
WebTabPanel.Remove(Index As Integer) ,
so I'm ok with that.


* Another little question , how can I open a form on a new tab ?
 ? I can have the need to use somethink like:

/public sub button_click()//
//???? dim pluto as new myformxxx//
//???? pluto.data1 = "blabla"//
//???? pluto.data2 = "popipopi"//
//???? pluto.show() '<- in a new tab//
//? end/

 ? and open multiple form on multiple tab with different data.

is it possible ?



Thank's a lot , I've moved a lot of little programs to web and they work 
really well.

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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Tue Nov  8 18:41:16 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2022 18:41:16 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] webform questions.
In-Reply-To: <e4508908-814b-82c5-0a73-f70e297294eb@servinfo.it>
References: <855584d6-8e93-b7dc-a634-4219bb44bc77@servinfo.it>
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Le 08/11/2022 ? 18:03, Marco Ancillotti a ?crit?:
> Il 07/11/22 17:51, Marco Ancillotti ha scritto:
> 
> Thank's to all for the answers !
> 
> 
> * For the first question if I understand well I have to:
> 
> - Put a button and set it immediate = true
> - Convert my:
> 
> /<form action=//"http://miohost/xxx/yyy.cgi"//method="GET"><input 
> type="hidden" name="user" value="pippo"> //
> //<input type="hidden" name="pass" value="pluto"><button type="submit" 
> formtarget="_blank"/>Open in new tab</button></form>/
> 
> /to Javascript./
> 
> - Create a button _click event where i run webform.exec(<javascript code 
> as string>)
> 
> is it right ?

Settings Immediate is not needed. It us faster in that case, as you 
avoid one request with the server, but then you can't run any other code 
(for example if you want to do some tests before opening the link).

> 
> 
> * For the Second question I can adapt my code to use 
> WebTabPanel.Remove(Index As Integer) ,
> so I'm ok with that.
> 
> 
> * Another little question , how can I open a form on a new tab ?
>  ? I can have the need to use somethink like:
> 
> /public sub button_click()//
> //???? dim pluto as new myformxxx//
> //???? pluto.data1 = "blabla"//
> //???? pluto.data2 = "popipopi"//
> //???? pluto.show() '<- in a new tab//
> //? end/
> 
>  ? and open multiple form on multiple tab with different data.
> 
> is it possible ?

No. With 'gb.web.gui' your application has only one page. Every other 
form is opened in pseudo-windows (made with HTML) inside the unique page.

'gb.web.gui' mimics the desktop way of creating UI.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From gambas at servinfo.it  Tue Nov  8 18:52:43 2022
From: gambas at servinfo.it (Marco Ancillotti)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2022 18:52:43 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] webform questions.
In-Reply-To: <ef7b63b3-af4b-1deb-3422-568390f6b9b6@gambas-basic.org>
References: <855584d6-8e93-b7dc-a634-4219bb44bc77@servinfo.it>
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Message-ID: <12b6a2f7-c093-5be0-39fe-6638772db2a9@servinfo.it>

Il 08/11/22 18:41, Benoit Minisini ha scritto:
>
> Settings Immediate is not needed. It us faster in that case, as you 
> avoid one request with the server, but then you can't run any other 
> code (for example if you want to do some tests before opening the link).
>
Ok , perfect , I will try.


> No. With 'gb.web.gui' your application has only one page. Every other 
> form is opened in pseudo-windows (made with HTML) inside the unique page.
>
> 'gb.web.gui' mimics the desktop way of creating UI.

Ok , but I can create another app , put it in another url and call it 
with js as the first question right ?




From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Tue Nov  8 19:00:51 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2022 19:00:51 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] webform questions.
In-Reply-To: <12b6a2f7-c093-5be0-39fe-6638772db2a9@servinfo.it>
References: <855584d6-8e93-b7dc-a634-4219bb44bc77@servinfo.it>
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 <12b6a2f7-c093-5be0-39fe-6638772db2a9@servinfo.it>
Message-ID: <db29c158-ce11-7216-2c42-162ba19f5348@gambas-basic.org>

Le 08/11/2022 ? 18:52, Marco Ancillotti a ?crit?:
> Il 08/11/22 18:41, Benoit Minisini ha scritto:
>>
>> Settings Immediate is not needed. It us faster in that case, as you 
>> avoid one request with the server, but then you can't run any other 
>> code (for example if you want to do some tests before opening the link).
>>
> Ok , perfect , I will try.
> 
> 
>> No. With 'gb.web.gui' your application has only one page. Every other 
>> form is opened in pseudo-windows (made with HTML) inside the unique page.
>>
>> 'gb.web.gui' mimics the desktop way of creating UI.
> 
> Ok , but I can create another app , put it in another url and call it 
> with js as the first question right ?
> 

Provided that, if it is another application made with 'gb.web.gui', it 
does not have the same name.

It's how it works at the moment, but it will change. The idea is that 
you can't run twice the same application in the same browser.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Tue Nov  8 19:09:02 2022
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2022 19:09:02 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Beta testing - Photo organizer.
In-Reply-To: <accb9df2-f55f-e4af-aa57-8911209a7a09@libero.it>
References: <accb9df2-f55f-e4af-aa57-8911209a7a09@libero.it>
Message-ID: <bcd35c81-a859-4e90-3077-ab8f0ae16315@belmotek.net>

El 8/11/22 a las 17:13, gian via User escribi?:
> I installed libexif-dev
> I connected my phone with the USB cable to transfer the photos
> in pictures I created two folders (organizer and organizer2) to tell the 
> program where to download.
> i downloaded photo-organizer-main version 0.0.6
> on startup it gives me division by zero error on line 109 of FMain 
> (iRemaining = (Config.PicturesQty) / Config.PicturesRatio)

Hello Gianluigi.

You haven't done anything wrong I guess.
Maybe the errors are because I added a method of scanning photos from 
the existing photo directory and that division by zero error is from 
that change, I will correct it and upload the new version.
I am also in the process of adding support for a sqlite database.
The intention is to have everything tidy and allow more refined searches.

The installation of the libexif-dev library is correct.

Attention: Please work with a copy of the photos from the phone or 
camera, it's a TESTING program and there can be errors.

Thanks for the feedback.

Martin.


From gambas at servinfo.it  Tue Nov  8 19:23:10 2022
From: gambas at servinfo.it (Marco Ancillotti)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2022 19:23:10 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] webform questions.
In-Reply-To: <db29c158-ce11-7216-2c42-162ba19f5348@gambas-basic.org>
References: <855584d6-8e93-b7dc-a634-4219bb44bc77@servinfo.it>
 <e4508908-814b-82c5-0a73-f70e297294eb@servinfo.it>
 <ef7b63b3-af4b-1deb-3422-568390f6b9b6@gambas-basic.org>
 <12b6a2f7-c093-5be0-39fe-6638772db2a9@servinfo.it>
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Message-ID: <a78a18a0-789b-5292-4508-62ba6f9a5cd9@servinfo.it>

Il 08/11/22 19:00, Benoit Minisini ha scritto:
>
> Provided that, if it is another application made with 'gb.web.gui', it 
> does not have the same name.
>
> It's how it works at the moment, but it will change. The idea is that 
> you can't run twice the same application in the same browser.
>
Is it possible when it will change to add a flag to permit multiple same 
application on the same browser ?



From olivier.cruilles at yahoo.fr  Tue Nov  8 20:22:43 2022
From: olivier.cruilles at yahoo.fr (Linus)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2022 14:22:43 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] webform questions.
In-Reply-To: <a78a18a0-789b-5292-4508-62ba6f9a5cd9@servinfo.it>
References: <855584d6-8e93-b7dc-a634-4219bb44bc77@servinfo.it>
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 <ef7b63b3-af4b-1deb-3422-568390f6b9b6@gambas-basic.org>
 <12b6a2f7-c093-5be0-39fe-6638772db2a9@servinfo.it>
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Message-ID: <B740295A-09AE-4D80-A0EA-E99B94D69732@yahoo.fr>

Hello,

Yes you can run multiple instance of the same web application, you just need to change the port of each instance like that:


GB_HTTP_PORT=9080  gbr3 -H </path/of/your/application/myapplication.gambas

GB_HTTP_PORT=9081  gbr3 -H </path/of/your/application/myapplication.gambas

?

And to reach them:

http://localhost:9080 <http://localhost:9080/>

http://localhost:9081



Olivier


> Le 8 nov. 2022 ? 13:23, Marco Ancillotti <gambas at servinfo.it> a ?crit :
> 
> Il 08/11/22 19:00, Benoit Minisini ha scritto:
>> 
>> Provided that, if it is another application made with 'gb.web.gui', it does not have the same name.
>> 
>> It's how it works at the moment, but it will change. The idea is that you can't run twice the same application in the same browser.
>> 
> Is it possible when it will change to add a flag to permit multiple same application on the same browser ?
> 
> 
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

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From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Tue Nov  8 20:56:57 2022
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2022 20:56:57 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Beta testing - Photo organizer.
In-Reply-To: <accb9df2-f55f-e4af-aa57-8911209a7a09@libero.it>
References: <accb9df2-f55f-e4af-aa57-8911209a7a09@libero.it>
Message-ID: <72253a34-0b52-3fde-4eb2-567e781d137d@belmotek.net>

Is there the version  Bond :-)

https://gitlab.com/belmotek/photo-organizer

Best Regards.
Martin.

From tercoide at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  9 16:57:57 2022
From: tercoide at hotmail.com (martin p cristia)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2022 12:57:57 -0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] Little bug in Format$
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1667992321.15214.user@lists.gambas-basic.org>
References: <mailman.1.1667992321.15214.user@lists.gambas-basic.org>
Message-ID: <DM6PR12MB3946E7DB2203507C474C5B88C83E9@DM6PR12MB3946.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Format(123456789,"0.000000E+000") = "1,234568E+008" wich is correct, but

Format(0.000123,"0.000000E+000") = "1,230000E0-4" wich leads to bad 
re-conversion with CSingle()

it shoud be "1,230000E-004"

-- 
Saludos

Ing. Martin P Cristia


From hans at gambas-buch.de  Wed Nov  9 18:43:22 2022
From: hans at gambas-buch.de (Hans Lehmann)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2022 18:43:22 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CFloat() and CDate()
Message-ID: <ab4fda92-3fec-ed44-415d-6694b56aa4d9@gambas-buch.de>

Hello,

why do the following two lines

(1) Print CFloat(Date("01/01/-4801 01:00:00"))
(2) Print CFloat(Date("01/01/-4801 00:00:00"))

the *same* real number 0.958333333333333

and

Print CDate(0.95833333333)

23:00:00

?

With kind regards

Hans
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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Wed Nov  9 19:43:42 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2022 19:43:42 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CFloat() and CDate()
In-Reply-To: <ab4fda92-3fec-ed44-415d-6694b56aa4d9@gambas-buch.de>
References: <ab4fda92-3fec-ed44-415d-6694b56aa4d9@gambas-buch.de>
Message-ID: <013b7106-12d7-e7a8-8bcd-cbfee155777a@gambas-basic.org>

Le 09/11/2022 ? 18:43, Hans Lehmann a ?crit?:
> Hello,
> 
> why do the following two lines
> 
> (1) Print CFloat(Date("01/01/-4801 01:00:00"))
> (2) Print CFloat(Date("01/01/-4801 00:00:00"))
> 
> the *same* real number 0.958333333333333
> 

Because Date() returns the date part without the time part (and converts 
your string into a Date with CDate automatically).

> and
> 
> Print CDate(0.95833333333)
> 
> 23:00:00
> 
> ?

Because Date() is for localized dates, which are a string converted 
automatically with CDate() is not.

As soon as you mix date functions using localization and date functions 
not using localization without knowing exactly what you are doing, you 
get problems.

In that specific case, your date is '31/12/-4802 23:00:00 GMT', and as 
the minimum date is -4801, you get a time only.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 21:20:11 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2022 20:20:11 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Getting the launcher name if no
 Env["GIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE"]
Message-ID: <CABuQYCDvuZxCetzOhg04fWSGHDYc3sXXipmJz2o5+T8BTOPVHw@mail.gmail.com>

I wanted a way to find the name of the launcher that runs my program.
i found this
Print Env["GIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE"]
prints /usr/local/share/applications/gambas3.desktop

just what i wanted but that Env is only filled if i run the launcher from
the MATE Desktop or system menu but it's not if i run from the mate-panel
icon

Has anyone looked at another way to get the launchers name?
I thought maybe backtracing PIDs or using Apllication.ParentHandle or
something.
Or the launcher is just mate-panel and i cannot get any info about the
.desktop file.

Cheers
BruceS
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 01:06:16 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 00:06:16 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] With (can we use it?)
Message-ID: <CABuQYCBQf2rz=7VbXET9k5tSrj6gqNEeJPT=pbzvUA47R72Gjw@mail.gmail.com>

Can we use With or is it a private internal only thing reserved for
specific commands?

If it's private could it's usage be made public with a way to retrieve the
With data?

Thanks
BruceS
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 01:15:55 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 10:45:55 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] With (can we use it?)
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCBQf2rz=7VbXET9k5tSrj6gqNEeJPT=pbzvUA47R72Gjw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABuQYCBQf2rz=7VbXET9k5tSrj6gqNEeJPT=pbzvUA47R72Gjw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <04660731-731f-9462-e68a-dc3020a2e9d1@gmail.com>


On 10/11/22 10:36 am, Bruce Steers wrote:
> Can we use With or is it a private internal only thing reserved for 
> specific commands?
>
> If it's private could it's usage be made public with a way to retrieve 
> the With data?
>
> Thanks
> BruceS
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----


You sure can use it anywhere


With MyClass

 ??? .Ahab=12

End With

or

With MyClass.Subclass
With Mylass._hiddensubclass  ' !! very handy
With MyClass.Subclass.Subclass2....

I think that the only things that don't work / aren't supported are

With MyClass!someproperty
With MyClass["someproperty"]

Go at it! It's saved about 3mm of my fingers over the years.

b

p.s. With within a With isn't a good idea

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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 01:29:25 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 00:29:25 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] With (can we use it?)
In-Reply-To: <04660731-731f-9462-e68a-dc3020a2e9d1@gmail.com>
References: <CABuQYCBQf2rz=7VbXET9k5tSrj6gqNEeJPT=pbzvUA47R72Gjw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CABuQYCA_mch+OzsKJnn5ba9Yb5aBM6Q4H+d_Yjxv4VNiX9Fekg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022, 00:17 BB, <adamnt42 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On 10/11/22 10:36 am, Bruce Steers wrote:
>
> Can we use With or is it a private internal only thing reserved for
> specific commands?
>
> If it's private could it's usage be made public with a way to retrieve the
> With data?
>
> Thanks
> BruceS
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
>
> You sure can use it anywhere
>
>
> With MyClass
>
>     .Ahab=12
>
> End With
>
>
> or
>
> With MyClass.Subclass
> With Mylass._hiddensubclass  ' !! very handy
> With MyClass.Subclass.Subclass2....
>
>
> I think that the only things that don't work / aren't supported are
>
> With MyClass!someproperty
> With MyClass["someproperty"]
>
>
> Go at it! It's saved about 3mm of my fingers over the years.
>
> b
>
> p.s. With within a With isn't a good idea
>
> Aah sorry I meant with a function call.

Like
Shell "command" With aEnvArray

Funny as soon as I posted this I wondered if I even need it now as I think
I can use an optional arg instead ?

Thanks anyway ?
Respects
BruceS


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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 10:12:03 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 19:42:03 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] With (can we use it?)
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCA_mch+OzsKJnn5ba9Yb5aBM6Q4H+d_Yjxv4VNiX9Fekg@mail.gmail.com>
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On 10/11/22 10:59 am, Bruce Steers wrote:
>
> Aah sorry I meant with a function call.
>
> Like
> Shell "command" With aEnvArray
>
> Funny as soon as I posted this I wondered if I even need it now as I 
> think I can use an optional arg instead ?
>
> Thanks anyway ?
> Respects
> BruceS
>
I didn't think you could specify an environment for a Shell command?

From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 13:42:54 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 12:42:54 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] With (can we use it?)
In-Reply-To: <4350af12-ef9e-d4fc-1c5d-57007c34b030@gmail.com>
References: <CABuQYCBQf2rz=7VbXET9k5tSrj6gqNEeJPT=pbzvUA47R72Gjw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 at 09:13, BB <adamnt42 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On 10/11/22 10:59 am, Bruce Steers wrote:
> >
> > Aah sorry I meant with a function call.
> >
> > Like
> > Shell "command" With aEnvArray
> >
> > Funny as soon as I posted this I wondered if I even need it now as I
> > think I can use an optional arg instead ?
> >
> > Thanks anyway ?
> > Respects
> > BruceS
> >
> I didn't think you could specify an environment for a Shell command?
>

Indeed you can :)

I thought it would make perfect sense to use it with something like
Form.Show()
Ie..
Form1.Show With Screen[1]

But then it occurred to me if i'm overriding the Show() method then i can
probably just put the arg inside the brackets.
Using With made grammatical sense , seemed like a good idea at the time.

Respects
BruceS
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From gambas at servinfo.it  Thu Nov 10 17:54:54 2022
From: gambas at servinfo.it (Marco Ancillotti)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 17:54:54 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] New problem on webform.
Message-ID: <37328e6d-bdb1-9aa2-f1ba-a5fc588799ce@servinfo.it>

Hi all,

my project made with gb.web.form is growing up.

Now I have update to gambas 3.17.3 (ubuntu ppa) and every time I open a 
secondo form with .showmodal()
browser hang , I made some debugging and found that error on the browser:

lib:0.0.59.js:404 Uncaught RangeError: Maximum call stack size exceeded
 ??? at Object.onFocus (lib:0.0.59.js:404:20)
 ??? at Object.setFocus (lib:0.0.59.js:470:10)
 ??? ...
 ??? at Object.setFocus (lib:0.0.59.js:470:10)

It continue a lot speaking of lines , I download the generated .js and I 
found that every line have a:
gw.setFocus(gw.active); or a gw.onFocus();

Is this a bug ?



From gambas at servinfo.it  Thu Nov 10 17:54:54 2022
From: gambas at servinfo.it (Marco Ancillotti)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 17:54:54 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] New problem on webform.
Message-ID: <37328e6d-bdb1-9aa2-f1ba-a5fc588799ce@servinfo.it>

Hi all,

my project made with gb.web.form is growing up.

Now I have update to gambas 3.17.3 (ubuntu ppa) and every time I open a 
secondo form with .showmodal()
browser hang , I made some debugging and found that error on the browser:

lib:0.0.59.js:404 Uncaught RangeError: Maximum call stack size exceeded
 ??? at Object.onFocus (lib:0.0.59.js:404:20)
 ??? at Object.setFocus (lib:0.0.59.js:470:10)
 ??? ...
 ??? at Object.setFocus (lib:0.0.59.js:470:10)

It continue a lot speaking of lines , I download the generated .js and I 
found that every line have a:
gw.setFocus(gw.active); or a gw.onFocus();

Is this a bug ?



From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Thu Nov 10 19:25:42 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 19:25:42 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] New problem on webform.
In-Reply-To: <37328e6d-bdb1-9aa2-f1ba-a5fc588799ce@servinfo.it>
References: <37328e6d-bdb1-9aa2-f1ba-a5fc588799ce@servinfo.it>
Message-ID: <1e776099-cb38-b2d5-96d4-a594d4ffb93b@gambas-basic.org>

Le 10/11/2022 ? 17:54, Marco Ancillotti a ?crit?:
> Hi all,
> 
> my project made with gb.web.form is growing up.
> 
> Now I have update to gambas 3.17.3 (ubuntu ppa) and every time I open a 
> secondo form with .showmodal()
> browser hang , I made some debugging and found that error on the browser:
> 
> lib:0.0.59.js:404 Uncaught RangeError: Maximum call stack size exceeded
>  ??? at Object.onFocus (lib:0.0.59.js:404:20)
>  ??? at Object.setFocus (lib:0.0.59.js:470:10)
>  ??? ...
>  ??? at Object.setFocus (lib:0.0.59.js:470:10)
> 
> It continue a lot speaking of lines , I download the generated .js and I 
> found that every line have a:
> gw.setFocus(gw.active); or a gw.onFocus();
> 
> Is this a bug ?
> 

'gb.web.form' is deprecated. You should port your project to 
'gb.web.gui' instead. I can help you for that.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From gambas at servinfo.it  Thu Nov 10 19:40:16 2022
From: gambas at servinfo.it (Marco Ancillotti)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 19:40:16 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] New problem on webform.
In-Reply-To: <1e776099-cb38-b2d5-96d4-a594d4ffb93b@gambas-basic.org>
References: <37328e6d-bdb1-9aa2-f1ba-a5fc588799ce@servinfo.it>
 <1e776099-cb38-b2d5-96d4-a594d4ffb93b@gambas-basic.org>
Message-ID: <7a6891ca-640d-5db8-35eb-82065b4e3284@servinfo.it>

Il 10/11/22 19:25, Benoit Minisini ha scritto:
>
> 'gb.web.form' is deprecated. You should port your project to 
> 'gb.web.gui' instead. I can help you for that.
>
My Fault , I'm already using gb.web.gui , I simply write it wrong.




From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Fri Nov 11 07:40:20 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 07:40:20 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] New problem on webform.
In-Reply-To: <7a6891ca-640d-5db8-35eb-82065b4e3284@servinfo.it>
References: <37328e6d-bdb1-9aa2-f1ba-a5fc588799ce@servinfo.it>
 <1e776099-cb38-b2d5-96d4-a594d4ffb93b@gambas-basic.org>
 <7a6891ca-640d-5db8-35eb-82065b4e3284@servinfo.it>
Message-ID: <01839c0a-4705-7578-0002-6874e2ec7e01@gambas-basic.org>

Le 10/11/2022 ? 19:40, Marco Ancillotti a ?crit?:
> Il 10/11/22 19:25, Benoit Minisini ha scritto:
>>
>> 'gb.web.form' is deprecated. You should port your project to 
>> 'gb.web.gui' instead. I can help you for that.
>>
> My Fault , I'm already using gb.web.gui , I simply write it wrong.
> 

Ah, OK. Then I think you should try the development version where the 
bug must have been fixed.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From gambas at servinfo.it  Fri Nov 11 10:22:05 2022
From: gambas at servinfo.it (Marco Ancillotti)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 10:22:05 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] New problem on webform.
In-Reply-To: <01839c0a-4705-7578-0002-6874e2ec7e01@gambas-basic.org>
References: <37328e6d-bdb1-9aa2-f1ba-a5fc588799ce@servinfo.it>
 <1e776099-cb38-b2d5-96d4-a594d4ffb93b@gambas-basic.org>
 <7a6891ca-640d-5db8-35eb-82065b4e3284@servinfo.it>
 <01839c0a-4705-7578-0002-6874e2ec7e01@gambas-basic.org>
Message-ID: <b72a07f8-8e7e-d318-41e8-59b30a25e181@servinfo.it>

Il 11/11/22 07:40, Benoit Minisini ha scritto:
>
> Ah, OK. Then I think you should try the development version where the 
> bug must have been fixed.
>
ok , version 3.17.90 works !

Thank's.




From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Fri Nov 11 18:08:17 2022
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 09:08:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Quick way to see Which Gambas components and
 Libraries are Insalled and available
Message-ID: <267286367.5896.1668186497075.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>

Scripter(gbs3) supports an interface to list all the components and libraries available to your application through standard environment variable paths. There are a couple of examples using this at the end. 

Maybe this is usefull to some. 

So if Scripter is installed on your system the following will display all the components installed and available to be used by a Gambas3 application. 

$ gbs3 -l component 

Will list all installed and available components on the system 

$ gbs3 -l library 

Will list all installed and available Gambas3 libraries on the system with the path that locates them. 

I hope this helps a few people. 

Example Component: 
11/11/2022 08:00:00 > gbs3 -l component 
gb 
gb.args 
gb.cairo 
gb.chart 
gb.clipper 
gb.complex 
gb.compress 
gb.compress.bzlib2 
gb.compress.zlib 
gb.compress.zstd 
gb.crypt 
gb.data 
gb.db 
gb.db.form 
gb.db.mysql 
gb.db.odbc 
gb.db.postgresql 
gb.db.sqlite2 
gb.db.sqlite3 
gb.dbus 
gb.dbus.trayicon 
gb.debug 
gb.desktop 
gb.desktop.x11 
gb.eval 
gb.eval.highlight 
gb.form 
gb.form.dialog 
gb.form.editor 
gb.form.htmlview 
gb.form.mdi 
gb.form.print 
gb.form.stock 
gb.form.terminal 
gb.geom 
gb.gmp 
gb.gsl 
gb.gtk 
gb.gtk.opengl 
gb.gtk3 
gb.gtk3.opengl 
gb.gtk3.wayland 
gb.gtk3.webview 
gb.gtk3.x11 
gb.gui 
gb.gui.base 
gb.gui.opengl 
gb.gui.qt 
gb.gui.qt.opengl 
gb.gui.qt.webkit 
gb.gui.trayicon 
gb.gui.webview 
gb.httpd 
gb.image 
gb.image.effect 
gb.image.imlib 
gb.image.io 
gb.inotify 
gb.jit 
gb.libxml 
gb.logging 
gb.map 
gb.markdown 
gb.media 
gb.media.form 
gb.memcached 
gb.mime 
gb.mysql 
gb.ncurses 
gb.net 
gb.net.curl 
gb.net.pop3 
gb.net.smtp 
gb.openal 
gb.opengl 
gb.opengl.glsl 
gb.opengl.glu 
gb.opengl.sge 
gb.openssl 
gb.option 
gb.pcre 
gb.pdf 
gb.poppler 
gb.qt5 
gb.qt5.ext 
gb.qt5.opengl 
gb.qt5.wayland 
gb.qt5.webkit 
gb.qt5.webview 
gb.qt5.x11 
gb.report 
gb.report2 
gb.scanner 
gb.scripter 
gb.sdl 
gb.sdl.sound 
gb.sdl2 
gb.sdl2.audio 
gb.settings 
gb.signal 
gb.term 
gb.term.form 
gb.terminfo 
gb.test 
gb.util 
gb.util.web 
gb.v4l 
gb.vb 
gb.web 
gb.web.feed 
gb.web.form 
gb.web.gui 
gb.xml 
gb.xml.html 
gb.xml.rpc 
gb.xml.xslt 

Example Libaray 

11/11/2022 08:00:00 > gbs3 -l library 
/usr/lib/gambas3/biz1/liba:1.1.0.gambas 
/usr/lib/gambas3/biz1/liba:1.2.0.gambas 
/usr/lib/gambas3/biz1/liba:2.1.0.gambas 
/usr/lib/gambas3/biz1/liba:3.1.3.gambas 
/usr/lib/gambas3/gb/gb.scripter:3.16.gambas 


"Failure is the key to success; 
each mistake teaches us something" .. Morihei Ueshiba 
Brian G 
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 18:17:16 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 03:47:16 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Quick way to see Which Gambas components and
 Libraries are Insalled and available
In-Reply-To: <267286367.5896.1668186497075.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
References: <267286367.5896.1668186497075.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
Message-ID: <cf5ac5b1-69e9-15c8-1226-78910a15f919@gmail.com>


On 12/11/22 3:38 am, Brian G wrote:
> Scripter(gbs3) supports an interface to list all the components and 
> libraries available to your application through standard environment 
> variable paths. There are a couple of examples using this at the end.
>
> Maybe this is usefull to some.
>
> So if Scripter is installed on your system? the following will display 
> all the components installed and available to be used by a Gambas3 
> application.
>
> $ gbs3 -l component
>
> Will list all installed and available components on the system
>
> $ gbs3 -l library
>
> Will list all installed and available Gambas3 libraries on the system 
> with the path that locates them.
>
> I hope this helps a few people.
>
> 8<
>
> "Failure is the key to success;
> ?each mistake teaches us something" ?.. Morihei Ueshiba
> Brian G
>
That needs to show up in the Args help i.e. gbs3 -h

b

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From claus.dietrich at freenet.de  Fri Nov 11 18:29:18 2022
From: claus.dietrich at freenet.de (Claus Dietrich)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 18:29:18 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
Message-ID: <5634f16a-4402-2bca-c13e-b3a298de7e38@freenet.de>

Hi Beno?t

 From my humble point of view the documentation of CDate on 
http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/lang/cdate has a few issues:

1. CDate converts the date to UTC, when the argument contains a date and 
time component. This fact is not mentioned.

2. The UTC-Offset is always the current UTC-Offset - even if the offset 
at given date/point of time is supposed to be different.
Example for the time zone Berlin/Germany:
Print CDate("11/11/2022 13:00:00")???? -> 11.11.2022 14:00:00
Print CDate("08/11/2022 13:00:00")???? -> 11.08.2022 14:00:00 (should 
actually be 15:00:00)
I don't regard this as a bug, but it is important to know. An according 
information would be helpful.

3. The provided example may mislead the reader, because it doesn't show 
any UTC-offset.

4. There is only an indirect mentioning about the mandatory format of 
the date component, which must be the US-format mm/dd/yyyy. I suggest to 
provide an according information.

5. The example should have provided a day > 12 to indicate where the day 
has to be placed.

6. The "run" example is irritating, because in my case it shows a 
different result - dd/mm/yyyy instead of dd/mm/yyyy. The reason may be 
found in the following point.

7. The result of Print CDate(..) depends on the locale of the platform. 
Hence the result of Print CDate on the GambasWiki depends on the time 
zone and locale of the server platform. That means, that visitors may 
get a different result on their local platform - because of a different 
time zone and locale.


I suggest an according revision of that wiki page.


Best regards

Claus


From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Fri Nov 11 18:44:26 2022
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 09:44:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Quick way to see Which Gambas components and
 Libraries are Insalled and available
In-Reply-To: <cf5ac5b1-69e9-15c8-1226-78910a15f919@gmail.com>
References: <267286367.5896.1668186497075.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
 <cf5ac5b1-69e9-15c8-1226-78910a15f919@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1212203444.5968.1668188666944.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>

----- On Nov 11, 2022, at 9:17 AM, Bruce <adamnt42 at gmail.com> wrote: 

> On 12/11/22 3:38 am, Brian G wrote:

>> Scripter(gbs3) supports an interface to list all the components and libraries
>> available to your application through standard environment variable paths.
>> There are a couple of examples using this at the end.

>> Maybe this is usefull to some.

>> So if Scripter is installed on your system the following will display all the
>> components installed and available to be used by a Gambas3 application.

>> $ gbs3 -l component

>> Will list all installed and available components on the system

>> $ gbs3 -l library

>> Will list all installed and available Gambas3 libraries on the system with the
>> path that locates them.

>> I hope this helps a few people.

>> 8<

>> "Failure is the key to success;
>> each mistake teaches us something" .. Morihei Ueshiba
>> Brian G

> That needs to show up in the Args help i.e. gbs3 -h

> b

It was in originally for testing, Did not know if it was useful to others 

Brian G 
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From gambas at servinfo.it  Fri Nov 11 19:03:58 2022
From: gambas at servinfo.it (Marco Ancillotti)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 19:03:58 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] webtree select from code
Message-ID: <96f857fa-f95f-251b-fd7c-b320d1d3165c@servinfo.it>

Hi all ,

I'm using gb.web.gui webtree but I don't find a way to select the first 
item from code.

When I do webtree.movefirst first item is not selected , I search but 
don't find a way to do that ,
where is the trick ?

thank's in advance ,
marco.



From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 21:05:56 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 06:35:56 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] webtree select from code
In-Reply-To: <96f857fa-f95f-251b-fd7c-b320d1d3165c@servinfo.it>
References: <96f857fa-f95f-251b-fd7c-b320d1d3165c@servinfo.it>
Message-ID: <2531dc33-070f-fe37-3299-df49530e5a33@gmail.com>


On 12/11/22 4:33 am, Marco Ancillotti wrote:
> Hi all ,
>
> I'm using gb.web.gui webtree but I don't find a way to select the 
> first item from code.
>
> When I do webtree.movefirst first item is not selected , I search but 
> don't find a way to do that ,
> where is the trick ?
>
> thank's in advance ,
> marco.
>
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

I presume that you are trying to select a node as if the user clicked on it.

The trick is to read _every word_ of the help page. WebTree.MoveFirst 
moves the index of the *internal cursor*. It does nothing about the 
"selection" on the screen. What you want is to find a particular node, 
which is a *_WebTreeItem*, and set its *Selected* property. I note that 
the help page for the _WebTreeItem hasn't been written yet but we can 
assume that it is the same as the TreeView._TreeItem property. So 
research that page 
<https://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp/gb.qt4/_treeview_item>.

b

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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Sat Nov 12 10:17:23 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 10:17:23 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
In-Reply-To: <5634f16a-4402-2bca-c13e-b3a298de7e38@freenet.de>
References: <5634f16a-4402-2bca-c13e-b3a298de7e38@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <c93f4f69-70ce-a009-b987-efb7bd2feb68@gambas-basic.org>

Le 11/11/2022 ? 18:29, Claus Dietrich a ?crit?:
> Hi Beno?t
> 
>  From my humble point of view the documentation of CDate on 
> http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/lang/cdate has a few issues:
> 
> 1. CDate converts the date to UTC, when the argument contains a date and 
> time component. This fact is not mentioned.

No. CDate() does not "convert a date to UTC". It converts a string 
representation of a date that is assumed to be in UTC into a date value.

> 
> 2. The UTC-Offset is always the current UTC-Offset - even if the offset 
> at given date/point of time is supposed to be different.
> Example for the time zone Berlin/Germany:
> Print CDate("11/11/2022 13:00:00")???? -> 11.11.2022 14:00:00
> Print CDate("08/11/2022 13:00:00")???? -> 11.08.2022 14:00:00 (should 
> actually be 15:00:00)
> I don't regard this as a bug, but it is important to know. An according 
> information would be helpful.

Indeed. I don't know if there is some code somewhere in the OS that can 
take into account every time zone change at any time in any country. I 
don't think so!

> 
> 3. The provided example may mislead the reader, because it doesn't show 
> any UTC-offset.

Yes. It's because the playground uses 'en_GB.UTF-8' localization.
> 
> 4. There is only an indirect mentioning about the mandatory format of 
> the date component, which must be the US-format mm/dd/yyyy. I suggest to 
> provide an according information.
> 

Yes.

> 5. The example should have provided a day > 12 to indicate where the day 
> has to be placed.

Maybe. If 4) is fixed, it should be enough.

> 
> 6. The "run" example is irritating, because in my case it shows a 
> different result - dd/mm/yyyy instead of dd/mm/yyyy. The reason may be 
> found in the following point.
> 
> 7. The result of Print CDate(..) depends on the locale of the platform. 
> Hence the result of Print CDate on the GambasWiki depends on the time 
> zone and locale of the server platform. That means, that visitors may 
> get a different result on their local platform - because of a different 
> time zone and locale.

Yes. This must be explained clearly too, which timezone is used by the 
playground server.

> 
> 
> I suggest an according revision of that wiki page.
> 

If you can do that, you are welcome!

Best regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From gambas at servinfo.it  Sat Nov 12 10:43:22 2022
From: gambas at servinfo.it (Marco Ancillotti)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 10:43:22 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] webtree select from code
In-Reply-To: <2531dc33-070f-fe37-3299-df49530e5a33@gmail.com>
References: <96f857fa-f95f-251b-fd7c-b320d1d3165c@servinfo.it>
 <2531dc33-070f-fe37-3299-df49530e5a33@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0a40b177-d502-cc2b-a4a5-8dc66188f57c@servinfo.it>

Il 11/11/22 21:05, BB ha scritto:
>
> I presume that you are trying to select a node as if the user clicked 
> on it.
>
> The trick is to read _every word_ of the help page. WebTree.MoveFirst 
> moves the index of the *internal cursor*. It does nothing about the 
> "selection" on the screen. What you want is to find a particular node, 
> which is a *_WebTreeItem*, and set its *Selected* property. I note 
> that the help page for the _WebTreeItem hasn't been written yet but we 
> can assume that it is the same as the TreeView._TreeItem property. So 
> research that page 
> <https://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp/gb.qt4/_treeview_item>.
>
I've read the help page , I try using same way as TreeView but don't work.

This TreeView code work without problem:

/Treeview1.Add("0", "CIAO", Picture.Load("icon:/32/add"))//
//?Treeview1.Add("1", "PIPPO", Picture.Load("icon:/32/agenda"))//
//?Treeview1.Add("2", "PLUTO", Picture.Load("icon:/32/alarm"))//
//?Treeview1.Add("3", "MINNI", Picture.Load("icon:/32/blue"))//
//?Treeview1.Add("4", "TOPO", Picture.Load("icon:/32/color"))//
//?Treeview1["0"].Selected = True/

But when I do the same with WebTree on the line where I set selected = 
true I get:

/Type mismatch: wanted String, got _WebTreeItem instead/

The line is the same:

WebTree1["0"].Selected = True

What is wrong ? I'm using dev ppa on ubuntu ( 3.17.90 ).

Thank's,
marco.



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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 12 10:44:40 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 20:14:40 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
In-Reply-To: <c93f4f69-70ce-a009-b987-efb7bd2feb68@gambas-basic.org>
References: <5634f16a-4402-2bca-c13e-b3a298de7e38@freenet.de>
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On 12/11/22 7:47 pm, Benoit Minisini wrote:
> Le 11/11/2022 ? 18:29, Claus Dietrich a ?crit?:
>> Hi Beno?t
>>
>> ?From my humble point of view the documentation of CDate on 
>> http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/lang/cdate has a few issues:
>>
>> 1. CDate converts the date to UTC, when the argument contains a date 
>> and time component. This fact is not mentioned.
>
> No. CDate() does not "convert a date to UTC". It converts a string 
> representation of a date that is assumed to be in UTC into a date value.
>
>>
>> 2. The UTC-Offset is always the current UTC-Offset - even if the 
>> offset at given date/point of time is supposed to be different.
>> Example for the time zone Berlin/Germany:
>> Print CDate("11/11/2022 13:00:00")???? -> 11.11.2022 14:00:00
>> Print CDate("08/11/2022 13:00:00")???? -> 11.08.2022 14:00:00 (should 
>> actually be 15:00:00)
>> I don't regard this as a bug, but it is important to know. An 
>> according information would be helpful.
>
> Indeed. I don't know if there is some code somewhere in the OS that 
> can take into account every time zone change at any time in any 
> country. I don't think so!
>
>>
>> 3. The provided example may mislead the reader, because it doesn't 
>> show any UTC-offset.
>
> Yes. It's because the playground uses 'en_GB.UTF-8' localization.
>>
>> 4. There is only an indirect mentioning about the mandatory format of 
>> the date component, which must be the US-format mm/dd/yyyy. I suggest 
>> to provide an according information.
>>
>
> Yes.
>
>> 5. The example should have provided a day > 12 to indicate where the 
>> day has to be placed.
>
> Maybe. If 4) is fixed, it should be enough.
>
>>
>> 6. The "run" example is irritating, because in my case it shows a 
>> different result - dd/mm/yyyy instead of dd/mm/yyyy. The reason may 
>> be found in the following point.
>>
>> 7. The result of Print CDate(..) depends on the locale of the 
>> platform. Hence the result of Print CDate on the GambasWiki depends 
>> on the time zone and locale of the server platform. That means, that 
>> visitors may get a different result on their local platform - because 
>> of a different time zone and locale.
>
> Yes. This must be explained clearly too, which timezone is used by the 
> playground server.
>
>>
>>
>> I suggest an according revision of that wiki page.
>>
>
> If you can do that, you are welcome!
>
> Best regards,
>
I?would have thought that the complete explanation in the Date & Time 
Management <https://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/date> page would have been 
enough for anyone. Perhaps all that is needed is a warning box at the 
top of the page linking to that doc.

I am a *firm* believer that the main documentation should be as brief 
and succinct as possible. Gambas help is generally excellent in that 
respect. I would hate to see something like the godawful Lazarus help 
pop up whenever I am typing some code (or if you-all are really 
masochistic, try the QT documentation for real fun.)? I reckon that:

  * any help that is going to pop up while typing code should be as
    brief as possible
  * any sample code should be as basic as possible
  * any long involved explanations as to why, where, who (and who was
    she with, what they ate etc etc etc) belongs in the *Documents*
    section.

The Documents <https://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc> and Topics 
<https://gambaswiki.org/wiki/topic> section of the wiki is not used 
enough by many people IMHO.

!

b

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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Sat Nov 12 10:53:14 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 10:53:14 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] webtree select from code
In-Reply-To: <0a40b177-d502-cc2b-a4a5-8dc66188f57c@servinfo.it>
References: <96f857fa-f95f-251b-fd7c-b320d1d3165c@servinfo.it>
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Message-ID: <cf1ae3d8-156c-2726-97bc-be1f44deff25@gambas-basic.org>

Le 12/11/2022 ? 10:43, Marco Ancillotti a ?crit?:
> But when I do the same with WebTree on the line where I set selected = 
> true I get:
> 
> /Type mismatch: wanted String, got _WebTreeItem instead/
> 
> The line is the same:
> 
> WebTree1["0"].Selected = True
> 
> What is wrong ? I'm using dev ppa on ubuntu ( 3.17.90 ).
> 
> Thank's,
> marco.
> 

You are not wrong, it's a bug. It's fixed in commit 
https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/-/commit/795cd79f61b7a9d8cf1d4bbc69ce2e6869d8e1d2.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From gambas at servinfo.it  Sat Nov 12 11:02:03 2022
From: gambas at servinfo.it (Marco Ancillotti)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 11:02:03 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] webtree select from code
In-Reply-To: <cf1ae3d8-156c-2726-97bc-be1f44deff25@gambas-basic.org>
References: <96f857fa-f95f-251b-fd7c-b320d1d3165c@servinfo.it>
 <2531dc33-070f-fe37-3299-df49530e5a33@gmail.com>
 <0a40b177-d502-cc2b-a4a5-8dc66188f57c@servinfo.it>
 <cf1ae3d8-156c-2726-97bc-be1f44deff25@gambas-basic.org>
Message-ID: <281df082-1c2f-59c2-69e9-e6c31c2a6eaa@servinfo.it>

Il 12/11/22 10:53, Benoit Minisini ha scritto:
>
> You are not wrong, it's a bug. It's fixed in commit 
> https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/-/commit/795cd79f61b7a9d8cf1d4bbc69ce2e6869d8e1d2.
>
Ok thank's a lot !




From claus.dietrich at freenet.de  Sat Nov 12 16:34:16 2022
From: claus.dietrich at freenet.de (Claus Dietrich)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 16:34:16 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
Message-ID: <02eef39c-55e8-282b-1510-a32c0e1349e7@freenet.de>

Hi Beno?t

>Indeed. I don't know if there is some code somewhere in the OS that can 
>take into account every time zone change at any time in any country. I 
>don't think so!

Correct, but I just developed a Gambas function based on tzdata which is
supposed to do this for all time zones and a huge time range which
should cover most practical cases. First tests are encouraging.

>/>I suggest an according revision of that wiki page./
>If you can do that, you are welcome!

Will be done.

Brgds
Claus


From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 00:47:16 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 01:47:16 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
In-Reply-To: <c93f4f69-70ce-a009-b987-efb7bd2feb68@gambas-basic.org>
References: <5634f16a-4402-2bca-c13e-b3a298de7e38@freenet.de>
 <c93f4f69-70ce-a009-b987-efb7bd2feb68@gambas-basic.org>
Message-ID: <CAFJMe7SchSi7+MZf=Yj1duYf5sQpwKScNZvDEoURjW1VRZi4=w@mail.gmail.com>

>
> > 2. The UTC-Offset is always the current UTC-Offset - even if the offset
> > at given date/point of time is supposed to be different.
> > Example for the time zone Berlin/Germany:
> > Print CDate("11/11/2022 13:00:00")     -> 11.11.2022 14:00:00
> > Print CDate("08/11/2022 13:00:00")     -> 11.08.2022 14:00:00 (should
> > actually be 15:00:00)
> > I don't regard this as a bug, but it is important to know. An according
> > information would be helpful.
>
> Indeed. I don't know if there is some code somewhere in the OS that can
> take into account every time zone change at any time in any country. I
> don't think so!
>

This could be fixed as suggested several times; assume the user is always
correct. IE no conversions.
So you would simply get what you give, instead of something unexpected:

Print CDate("11/11/2022 13:00:00")     -> 11.11.2022 13:00:00
Print CDate("08/11/2022 13:00:00")     -> 08.11.2022 13:00:00

But I think it would need its own class or set of methods to maintain the
old way people are using.


Jussi
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 13:53:58 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 12:53:58 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] can gambas package itself?
Message-ID: <CABuQYCBb+0aeaq5gMGu9DPA1i0ykqUwEmqnB1JN52uB-9-TsiA@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a function/script anywhere that packages all of gambas into
repository ready packages after compilation?

I'm wondering if we can expand from just having the launchpad ppa method on
ubuntu systems?

I'm guessing something like this exists for ubuntu (unless it's all done by
launchpad).

I have a gambas enabled web server on a DigitalOcean droplet.
I chose an ubuntu system when i created it for the ppa bonus but i compile
and install gambas via autotools so ubuntu isn't essential.
I could probably use anything.
So i could also create repo-packages for whatever system it is if it's
possible.
And if it is possible i could probably also make it auto-update to stay
current.

I'm thinking Debian at least would probably be able to use the same package
making method as used for launchpad (or something very similar, just a few
tweaks maybe to make compatible .debs and set the info).

Any ideas?


Respects
BruceS
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From hans at gambas-buch.de  Sun Nov 13 14:15:17 2022
From: hans at gambas-buch.de (Hans Lehmann)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 14:15:17 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] WebPage and external files
Message-ID: <a65ca062-79f8-e250-2c25-3953d318c6df@gambas-buch.de>

Hello.

For the Gambas book on gambas-buch.de I would like to provide some 
simple web projects based on the class `WebPage`.
For this I want to use the internal HTTP server - either in the IDE or 
in the console (**) with

(1)
Console:??? hans at pc-mint20:~/CGI/wp_example1$ GB_HTTPD_PORT=8080 gbx3 -H
(2)
URL:??? ??? http://localhost:8080/

Reason: Not everyone wants to install and configure an HTTP server like 
Lighttpd or Apache2 for first tests.

For CSS I use Inline-CSS and for JavaSript Inline-JS, but this makes the 
source code difficult to read.

However, I am unable to integrate multimedia objects such as images, 
favicons, audio files or video files.

Question:
When using the internal HTTP server in the IDE or via the console as in 
(**), is it possible to include the content of external files (CSS, 
JavaScript, multimedia objects)? If `Yes`, then I would like to know how 
this can be realised.

With kind regards

Hans

From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 16:23:26 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 15:23:26 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] WebPage and external files
In-Reply-To: <a65ca062-79f8-e250-2c25-3953d318c6df@gambas-buch.de>
References: <a65ca062-79f8-e250-2c25-3953d318c6df@gambas-buch.de>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCA4DP6wxLt0RDYdxmTYjzjzWvOWZqDQESXOM=wcut_5Cw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 at 13:16, Hans Lehmann <hans at gambas-buch.de> wrote:

> Hello.
>
> For the Gambas book on gambas-buch.de I would like to provide some
> simple web projects based on the class `WebPage`.
> For this I want to use the internal HTTP server - either in the IDE or
> in the console (**) with
>
> (1)
> Console:    hans at pc-mint20:~/CGI/wp_example1$ GB_HTTPD_PORT=8080 gbx3 -H
> (2)
> URL:        http://localhost:8080/
>
> Reason: Not everyone wants to install and configure an HTTP server like
> Lighttpd or Apache2 for first tests.
>
> For CSS I use Inline-CSS and for JavaSript Inline-JS, but this makes the
> source code difficult to read.
>

So don't then ;)

However, I am unable to integrate multimedia objects such as images,
> favicons, audio files or video files.
>
> Question:
> When using the internal HTTP server in the IDE or via the console as in
> (**), is it possible to include the content of external files (CSS,
> JavaScript, multimedia objects)? If `Yes`, then I would like to know how
> this can be realised.
>
> With kind regards
>
> Hans
>

How exactly do you mean "external" ?
Files on your computer that are not part of the project or URLs?

I would say only if they are online.
(I do no know this for concrete fact, but this is as i understand things)

You should be able to use online URLs,
URLs of online resources should be reachable (if the computer is online)
but not anything on your local machine external to your project as the
server will not be configured to see your computers files in any way except
for the currently running project files.

Running the internal server is like letting gambas do the "install and
configure" a server for you and It does nothing at all fancy in any way.
it's a minimum requirement server to run the current project only.

I find using the .public folder is a good place to put things your project
will be able to see.
Pretty sure gambas internal server can use the .public folder.

For your examples for your book entries you should try to use online URLs
to the resources or provide them with the source project.

I think ultimately if you are going to write web projects then configuring
apache or lighttpd is a bridge you must cross pretty early on.


BruceS
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From claus.dietrich at freenet.de  Sun Nov 13 17:28:20 2022
From: claus.dietrich at freenet.de (Claus Dietrich)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 17:28:20 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
Message-ID: <bc1f7c7c-00dc-f262-b956-096454bc875c@freenet.de>

>This could be fixed as suggested several times; assume the user is always
>correct. IE no conversions.
>So you would simply get what you give, instead of something unexpected:
>
>Print CDate("11/11/2022 13:00:00")     -> 11.11.2022 13:00:00
>Print CDate("08/11/2022 13:00:00")     -> 08.11.2022 13:00:00
>
>But I think it would need its own class or set of methods to maintain the
>old way people are using.

I also think, that that no conversion to UTC would have been better. The
function Date() also doesn't do this and in VBA and Visual Basic 6 CDate
also doesn't convert to UTC.

So far and because of the traps I used this function with a time component
only, which is not converted to UTC. So to me a hard cut would be
acceptable but this is easily said.

Brgds
Claus







From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 17:46:11 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 16:46:11 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] WebPage and external files
In-Reply-To: <a65ca062-79f8-e250-2c25-3953d318c6df@gambas-buch.de>
References: <a65ca062-79f8-e250-2c25-3953d318c6df@gambas-buch.de>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCCnNyMxULT=bFaOA04dn975YtORPvbBTZebbR0Dp6NfEA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 at 13:16, Hans Lehmann <hans at gambas-buch.de> wrote:

> Hello.
>
> For the Gambas book on gambas-buch.de I would like to provide some
> simple web projects based on the class `WebPage`.
> For this I want to use the internal HTTP server - either in the IDE or
> in the console (**) with
>
> (1)
> Console:    hans at pc-mint20:~/CGI/wp_example1$ GB_HTTPD_PORT=8080 gbx3 -H
> (2)
> URL:        http://localhost:8080/
>
> Reason: Not everyone wants to install and configure an HTTP server like
> Lighttpd or Apache2 for first tests.
>
> For CSS I use Inline-CSS and for JavaSript Inline-JS, but this makes the
> source code difficult to read.
>
> However, I am unable to integrate multimedia objects such as images,
> favicons, audio files or video files.
>
> Question:
> When using the internal HTTP server in the IDE or via the console as in
> (**), is it possible to include the content of external files (CSS,
> JavaScript, multimedia objects)? If `Yes`, then I would like to know how
> this can be realised.
>
> With kind regards
>

Or maybe you are talking about this?...
WebForm.AddJavascriptFile(sFile As String)  ' to add your .js url
(I used this once and i think it mattered where i put it, it had to be
early, like in the header or the _new or _init i cannot remember, i'm sure
you will figure it out. you can use chromium or firefox devtools to see if
it's loaded properly)


as for css i think you can use WebControl._AddStyleSheet(sStyle As String)
but it not a URL it's the style text so you must load the file first using
File.load()

(there may be a way to load a css url directly but i do not know)

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From hans at gambas-buch.de  Sun Nov 13 17:48:40 2022
From: hans at gambas-buch.de (Hans Lehmann)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 17:48:40 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] WebPage and external files
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCA4DP6wxLt0RDYdxmTYjzjzWvOWZqDQESXOM=wcut_5Cw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a65ca062-79f8-e250-2c25-3953d318c6df@gambas-buch.de>
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Message-ID: <4595ae41-233d-a4d1-d033-5d8238898701@gambas-buch.de>

Am 13.11.22 um 16:23 schrieb Bruce Steers:
> I find using the .public folder is a good place to put things your 
> project will be able to see.
> Pretty sure gambas internal server can use the .public folder.

Hello Bruce,

unfortunately the implementation of this hint does not bring the hoped 
for access to the content of external files like style.css or logo.png.

With kind regards

Hans
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 17:49:12 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 16:49:12 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] WebPage and external files
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCCnNyMxULT=bFaOA04dn975YtORPvbBTZebbR0Dp6NfEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a65ca062-79f8-e250-2c25-3953d318c6df@gambas-buch.de>
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Message-ID: <CABuQYCBAJh-eCv6GooL=fvxaWXOvk7PLY5VEPUL4wD6oPxXH+g@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 at 16:46, Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 at 13:16, Hans Lehmann <hans at gambas-buch.de> wrote:
>
>> Hello.
>>
>> For the Gambas book on gambas-buch.de I would like to provide some
>> simple web projects based on the class `WebPage`.
>> For this I want to use the internal HTTP server - either in the IDE or
>> in the console (**) with
>>
>> (1)
>> Console:    hans at pc-mint20:~/CGI/wp_example1$ GB_HTTPD_PORT=8080 gbx3 -H
>> (2)
>> URL:        http://localhost:8080/
>>
>> Reason: Not everyone wants to install and configure an HTTP server like
>> Lighttpd or Apache2 for first tests.
>>
>> For CSS I use Inline-CSS and for JavaSript Inline-JS, but this makes the
>> source code difficult to read.
>>
>> However, I am unable to integrate multimedia objects such as images,
>> favicons, audio files or video files.
>>
>> Question:
>> When using the internal HTTP server in the IDE or via the console as in
>> (**), is it possible to include the content of external files (CSS,
>> JavaScript, multimedia objects)? If `Yes`, then I would like to know how
>> this can be realised.
>>
>> With kind regards
>>
>
> Or maybe you are talking about this?...
> WebForm.AddJavascriptFile(sFile As String)  ' to add your .js url
> (I used this once and i think it mattered where i put it, it had to be
> early, like in the header or the _new or _init i cannot remember, i'm sure
> you will figure it out. you can use chromium or firefox devtools to see if
> it's loaded properly)
>
>
> as for css i think you can use WebControl._AddStyleSheet(sStyle As String)
> but it not a URL it's the style text so you must load the file first using
> File.load()
>
> (there may be a way to load a css url directly but i do not know)
>
> BruceS
>

Oops.
My apologies this is relevant to gb.web.gui not gb.web/webpage
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From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 17:50:15 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 11:50:15 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] can gambas package itself?
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On 11/13/22 07:53, Bruce Steers wrote:
> Is there a function/script anywhere that packages all of gambas into repository ready packages after compilation?
> 
> I'm wondering if we can expand from just having the launchpad ppa method on ubuntu systems?
> 
[snip]
> So i could also create repo-packages for whatever system it is if it's possible.

Before you go about reinventing the wheel (unless of course you want to), you might take a look at a public service that already 
exists for community members to provide package repos for various distros:
https://build.opensuse.org/

For example, if you go to https://software.opensuse.org and search for "gambas3", you will find that there are 
community-provided package repos for Debian as well as openSUSE (although they appear to be outdated). I use the package 
provided by a repo maintained by user 'munix9' which is hosted at https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:munix9/gambas3

It should just be a matter of creating a repo for the target distribution & version, and customizing the SPEC file for each 
package & for each target.


-- 
Lee


From hans at gambas-buch.de  Sun Nov 13 17:52:41 2022
From: hans at gambas-buch.de (Hans Lehmann)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 17:52:41 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] WebPage and external files
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Am 13.11.22 um 17:46 schrieb Bruce Steers:
> Or maybe you are talking about this?...

No Bruce, that won't work because I only use the /WebPage/ class 
consistently.

With kind regards

Hans
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From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 18:35:37 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 12:35:37 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] WebPage and external files
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On 11/13/22 11:48, Hans Lehmann wrote:
> unfortunately the implementation of this hint does not bring the hoped for access to the content of external files like 
> style.css or logo.png.

Hmmm, that should work.

Are you certain you are specifying the path correctly?

If you have a style sheet in the project's Public directory (and not in a subdirectory of that directory), the link tag in the 
HEAD of the web page should be similar to:
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="<%/%>/style.css">

I just tried it with both a style sheet and an image (in a "img" subdirectory), and it does work.


-- 
Lee


From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Sun Nov 13 20:26:41 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 20:26:41 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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Le 13/11/2022 ? 17:28, Claus Dietrich a ?crit?:
>> This could be fixed as suggested several times; assume the user is always
>> correct. IE no conversions.
>> So you would simply get what you give, instead of something unexpected:
>>
>> Print CDate("11/11/2022 13:00:00")???? -> 11.11.2022 13:00:00
>> Print CDate("08/11/2022 13:00:00")???? -> 08.11.2022 13:00:00
>>
>> But I think it would need its own class or set of methods to maintain the
>> old way people are using.
> 
> I also think, that that no conversion to UTC would have been better. The
> function Date() also doesn't do this and in VBA and Visual Basic 6 CDate
> also doesn't convert to UTC.
> 
> So far and because of the traps I used this function with a time component
> only, which is not converted to UTC. So to me a hard cut would be
> acceptable but this is easily said.
> 
> Brgds
> Claus
> 

You both don't get it.

When transforming a string into a date, there is no such "no conversion" 
thing. You must guess an implicit timezone. Exactly with a string, where 
you have to guess an implicit charset.

So you have CDate(), that uses UTC as timezone, and Val(), that uses the 
timezone of the current localization.

CDate() is the contrary of CStr(). I.e.: CStr(CDate(X)) = X and 
CDate(CStr(aDate)) = aDate. The same way, Val() is the contrary of Str() 
or Print (which uses Str() to print its arguments).

Jussi wants 'CDate()' to act like 'Val()'. But then just use 'Val()', 
not 'CDate()'.

A real enhancement would be to add a syntax to allow to specify the 
timezone explicitely inside the string representation of a date:

CDate("11/11/2020 13:00:00 UTC+2") for example.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 21:02:47 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 22:02:47 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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> You both don't get it.
>
> When transforming a string into a date, there is no such "no conversion"
> thing. You must guess an implicit timezone. Exactly with a string, where
> you have to guess an implicit charset.
>

No, Benoit you don't get it. The assumed time zone does not matter,
when the conversion is left to the user. It can be anything I want.


So you have CDate(), that uses UTC as timezone, and Val(), that uses the
> timezone of the current localization.
>
> CDate() is the contrary of CStr(). I.e.: CStr(CDate(X)) = X and
> CDate(CStr(aDate)) = aDate. The same way, Val() is the contrary of Str()
> or Print (which uses Str() to print its arguments).
>
> Jussi wants 'CDate()' to act like 'Val()'. But then just use 'Val()',
> not 'CDate()'.
>

No. All that is just an unnecessary mess.


A real enhancement would be to add a syntax to allow to specify the
> timezone explicitely inside the string representation of a date:
>
> CDate("11/11/2020 13:00:00 UTC+2") for example.
>

I agree, this would also fix the problem.


Jussi
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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Sun Nov 13 22:05:34 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 22:05:34 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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Le 13/11/2022 ? 21:02, Jussi Lahtinen a ?crit?:
> 
>     You both don't get it.
> 
>     When transforming a string into a date, there is no such "no
>     conversion"
>     thing. You must guess an implicit timezone. Exactly with a string,
>     where
>     you have to guess an implicit charset.
> 
> 
> No, Benoit you don't get it. The assumed time zone does not matter,
> when the conversion is left to the user. It can be anything I want.
> 

Please explain how you convert a string representation of a date with no 
explicit timezone into a date timestamp, without an implicit timezone.

I'm curious!

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 22:25:43 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 23:25:43 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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Please explain how you convert a string representation of a date with no
> explicit timezone into a date timestamp, without an implicit timezone.
>

In most cases you don't need to convert at all, you just assume it is the
timezone in use.
If you need to convert it to some specified timezone, then you need to have
information what was the timezone given with the date.
IE you are in the same situation as we are now, expect no automatic
failures.


Jussi
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 22:40:26 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 23:40:26 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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In other words, this is exactly equal to how a simple paper calendar works.

Jussi


On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 11:25 PM Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> Please explain how you convert a string representation of a date with no
>> explicit timezone into a date timestamp, without an implicit timezone.
>>
>
> In most cases you don't need to convert at all, you just assume it is the
> timezone in use.
> If you need to convert it to some specified timezone, then you need to
> have information what was the timezone given with the date.
> IE you are in the same situation as we are now, expect no automatic
> failures.
>
>
> Jussi
>
>
>
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 22:41:54 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 23:41:54 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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IE you are in the same situation as we are now, *except* no automatic
failures.
Auto correct...

Jussi

On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 11:25 PM Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> Please explain how you convert a string representation of a date with no
>> explicit timezone into a date timestamp, without an implicit timezone.
>>
>
> In most cases you don't need to convert at all, you just assume it is the
> timezone in use.
> If you need to convert it to some specified timezone, then you need to
> have information what was the timezone given with the date.
> IE you are in the same situation as we are now, expect no automatic
> failures.
>
>
> Jussi
>
>
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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Sun Nov 13 22:46:19 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 22:46:19 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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Le 13/11/2022 ? 22:25, Jussi Lahtinen a ?crit?:
> 
>     Please explain how you convert a string representation of a date
>     with no
>     explicit timezone into a date timestamp, without an implicit timezone.
> 
> 
> In most cases you don't need to convert at all, you just assume it is 
> the timezone in use.
> If you need to convert it to some specified timezone, then you need to 
> have information what was the timezone given with the date.
> IE you are in the same situation as we are now, expect no automatic 
> failures.
> 
> 
> Jussi
> 

If you want the timezone in use, just use 'Val()' then. Leave 'CDate()' 
alone. I don't see why it is a problem.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Sun Nov 13 22:49:22 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 22:49:22 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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Le 13/11/2022 ? 22:46, Benoit Minisini a ?crit?:
> Le 13/11/2022 ? 22:25, Jussi Lahtinen a ?crit?:
>>
>> ??? Please explain how you convert a string representation of a date
>> ??? with no
>> ??? explicit timezone into a date timestamp, without an implicit 
>> timezone.
>>
>>
>> In most cases you don't need to convert at all, you just assume it is 
>> the timezone in use.
>> If you need to convert it to some specified timezone, then you need to 
>> have information what was the timezone given with the date.
>> IE you are in the same situation as we are now, expect no automatic 
>> failures.
>>
>>
>> Jussi
>>
> 
> If you want the timezone in use, just use 'Val()' then. Leave 'CDate()' 
> alone. I don't see why it is a problem.
> 
> Regards,
> 

And if you want to understand why it is like that, it's because in 2000, 
when I designed Gambas from VB, I took its date functions, but there 
were a lot of incoherences.

To fix that, I decided that some of the functions assumes GMT, and other 
the timezone in use. And in both cases I had to have one function that 
converts from string to date, and one that converts from date to string.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 22:50:56 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 08:20:56 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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On 14/11/22 8:10 am, Jussi Lahtinen wrote:
> In other words, this is exactly equal to how a simple paper calendar 
> works.
>
> Jussi

I didn't know that simple paper calendars could do datetime conversions! ?

To be serious and with apologies, I agree with Benoit - You just don't 
seem to get it.

A Date is a number and a String is a string.

b


From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 22:58:55 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 23:58:55 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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> > In other words, this is exactly equal to how a simple paper calendar
> > works.
>
> I didn't know that simple paper calendars could do datetime conversions! ?
>
> To be serious and with apologies, I agree with Benoit - You just don't
> seem to get it.
>


If I have a date "24.12.2024 12:00" in a paper calendar, then what is the
ambiguity?
In Gambas that can mean just about anything depending on example whether
the date was given in winter or summer (if you live in a country which has
different summer and winter time).


A Date is a number and a String is a string.
>

LOL, of course. Was this really an issue?


Jussi
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 00:06:12 +0200
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> If you want the timezone in use, just use 'Val()' then. Leave 'CDate()'
> alone. I don't see why it is a problem.
>

Yes, I don't use CDate at all, but still the problem occurs when switching
from summer time to winter time.

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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 23:20:54 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 00:20:54 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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If this really wasn't obvious, then here, the common way:
iTimeStamp = (iYear - 1900) * 31556926 + iMonth * 2629743 + iDay * 86400 +
and so on...

No need to put a timezone anywhere. Just like with a paper calendar. Unless
you need/want to specify it.


Jussi

On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 11:58 PM Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
>> > In other words, this is exactly equal to how a simple paper calendar
>> > works.
>>
>> I didn't know that simple paper calendars could do datetime conversions!
>> ?
>>
>> To be serious and with apologies, I agree with Benoit - You just don't
>> seem to get it.
>>
>
>
> If I have a date "24.12.2024 12:00" in a paper calendar, then what is the
> ambiguity?
> In Gambas that can mean just about anything depending on example whether
> the date was given in winter or summer (if you live in a country which has
> different summer and winter time).
>
>
> A Date is a number and a String is a string.
>>
>
> LOL, of course. Was this really an issue?
>
>
> Jussi
>
>
>
>
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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Mon Nov 14 00:27:26 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 00:27:26 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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Le 13/11/2022 ? 23:20, Jussi Lahtinen a ?crit?:
> If this really wasn't obvious, then here, the common way:
> iTimeStamp = (iYear - 1900) * 31556926 + iMonth * 2629743?+ iDay * 86400 
> + and so on...
> 
> No need to put a timezone anywhere. Just like with a paper calendar. 
> Unless you need/want to specify it.
> 
> 
> Jussi
> 

A timestamp, which the Gambas 'Date' datatype is, must represent the 
same physical moment, whereever the program using it runs, so that it 
can be freely moved over the Internet.

Your timestamp computation return different values with different 
timezones for the same physical moment. So it is useless as a timestamp.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 00:47:53 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 01:47:53 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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>
> A timestamp, which the Gambas 'Date' datatype is, must represent the
> same physical moment, whereever the program using it runs, so that it
> can be freely moved over the Internet.
>
> Your timestamp computation return different values with different
> timezones for the same physical moment. So it is useless as a timestamp.
>

Then you need to give the timezone as one of the parameters. Right now it
is not in the datatype.


Jussi
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 05:20:05 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 14:50:05 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Request property for gd.db.Result mode
Message-ID: <97511746-520d-39e5-f3fa-a37936dcc7a3@gmail.com>

Benoit,

Would it be possible that you could add a (readonly) property to the 
Result class to indicate the mode of that result?

I am passing some result objects between several classes in a project 
and sometimes they are updateable and sometimes not (on purpose). At the 
moment all one of these classes can do is to try to update the result 
and if it gets an error then re-read the result in a updateable mode and 
then do the update. This is extremely messy and requires up to three 
accesses to the database.

I have had a look at the CResult.c class but the level of C is well 
beyond my abilities.


tia

bruce


From gambas at servinfo.it  Mon Nov 14 11:41:31 2022
From: gambas at servinfo.it (Marco Ancillotti)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 11:41:31 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Two bugs on gb.web.gui
Message-ID: <66d832fc-be60-e28d-6e72-df0c8f300685@servinfo.it>

HI all ,

I think I found two bug on gb.web.gui .

FIRST:
I've create a simple web page with a webtabpanel and a webcombobox 
linked by code:

/Public Sub cbox_Click()//
//? tab.index = cbox.Index//
//End/

So when combobox change tabpanel change as well.
Now on webform_open I have a /
/

/tab.index = 2
cbox.index = 2/

And everythink work as expected...
BUT if I put before the index change a simple webtextbox.text = 
"somethink" ti completely hangs.


SECOND:

if I call the same webform from another as form.showmodal() the tabbox 
don't refresh the tab selected if I change it
on form opening.


I attach an example of bugs.

gambas is latest daily trunk from ubuntu ppa.

Thank's in advance ,
marco.

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From rwe-sse at osnanet.de  Mon Nov 14 11:47:38 2022
From: rwe-sse at osnanet.de (Rolf-Werner Eilert)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 11:47:38 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] QR codes in PDF
Message-ID: <dc080fbf-15a9-36ab-88e4-0ab8e08fac6d@osnanet.de>

Hi folks,

For printing confirmational PDFs for participants in a course, I would 
appreciate using a QR code rather than stamp/signature (which had to be 
printed + signed + scanned again).

As far as I can see, Paint does not include a QR functionality, so my 
question is, is there any in Gambas yet?

Or if not, how have you possibly solved this?

Thanks for any hints!

Regards
Rolf

From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Mon Nov 14 12:30:33 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:30:33 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] QR codes in PDF
In-Reply-To: <dc080fbf-15a9-36ab-88e4-0ab8e08fac6d@osnanet.de>
References: <dc080fbf-15a9-36ab-88e4-0ab8e08fac6d@osnanet.de>
Message-ID: <fec930e3-1fb6-8608-1729-6e8b66f7955e@gambas-basic.org>

Le 14/11/2022 ? 11:47, Rolf-Werner Eilert a ?crit?:
> Hi folks,
> 
> For printing confirmational PDFs for participants in a course, I would 
> appreciate using a QR code rather than stamp/signature (which had to be 
> printed + signed + scanned again).
> 
> As far as I can see, Paint does not include a QR functionality, so my 
> question is, is there any in Gambas yet?
> 
> Or if not, how have you possibly solved this?
> 
> Thanks for any hints!
> 
> Regards
> Rolf
> 

I use the 'qrencode' program to get a 'png' file with the wanted QR code.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 12:33:21 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 11:33:21 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] QR codes in PDF
In-Reply-To: <dc080fbf-15a9-36ab-88e4-0ab8e08fac6d@osnanet.de>
References: <dc080fbf-15a9-36ab-88e4-0ab8e08fac6d@osnanet.de>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCBDfw+8Gjj7nBzzm2oCJLzP4W-a-9Z4tTXDq6m7xJqPrg@mail.gmail.com>

Command 'zbarimg' can be installed with:
sudo apt install zbar-tools

Command 'qrencode' can be installed with:
sudo apt install qrencode

Here's some info.
https://askubuntu.com/questions/22871/software-to-read-a-qr-code

BruceS


On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 10:54, Rolf-Werner Eilert <rwe-sse at osnanet.de> wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> For printing confirmational PDFs for participants in a course, I would
> appreciate using a QR code rather than stamp/signature (which had to be
> printed + signed + scanned again).
>
> As far as I can see, Paint does not include a QR functionality, so my
> question is, is there any in Gambas yet?
>
> Or if not, how have you possibly solved this?
>
> Thanks for any hints!
>
> Regards
> Rolf
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From claus.dietrich at freenet.de  Mon Nov 14 12:43:42 2022
From: claus.dietrich at freenet.de (Claus Dietrich)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:43:42 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
Message-ID: <cca73b10-3b5d-3642-93ef-d680fb734e3c@freenet.de>

I agree with Jussi. Here is my summary of concrete arguments to change 
the CDate() function:

1. Visual Basic is not inconsistent - Gambas is inconsistent because
a. Other than CDate() the Date() function of Gambas doesn't convert to UTC
b. The CDate() function potentially delivers a wrong UTC time
because it always applies the current UTC offset instead of the real
offset

2. To get a timestamp, the user has to decide, whether he wants
a local or UTC timestamp. Other than in Visual Basic it can easily
be recalculated with System.Timezone in Gambas.

3. Other than CDate() the Val() function the string representation
of a date must comply with the locale of the platform. This is
a different capability and may impose inconsistencies for
applications if used in different regions.

4. For timestamps Gambas also provides Unix-timestamps.

5. Timestamps transported over the Internet sometimes contain a
time zone information:
Gas prices here in Germany are i.e. delivered with following timestamp:
2022-07-20 23:10:09+02

6. Although we don't want a Visual Basic clone, we should at least
take note that CDate() in VB doesn't convert to UTC and should
reflect whether a deviation is necessary.

With best regards
Claus








From rwe-sse at osnanet.de  Mon Nov 14 12:49:55 2022
From: rwe-sse at osnanet.de (Rolf-Werner Eilert)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:49:55 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] QR codes in PDF
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCBDfw+8Gjj7nBzzm2oCJLzP4W-a-9Z4tTXDq6m7xJqPrg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dc080fbf-15a9-36ab-88e4-0ab8e08fac6d@osnanet.de>
 <CABuQYCBDfw+8Gjj7nBzzm2oCJLzP4W-a-9Z4tTXDq6m7xJqPrg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c2410357-9252-2c66-7780-cf01b5bef8c2@osnanet.de>

Thank you for this quick answer, I'll try these!

Regards
Rolf


Am 14.11.22 um 12:33 schrieb Bruce Steers:
> 
> 
> Command 'zbarimg' can be installed with:
> sudo apt install zbar-tools
> 
> Command 'qrencode' can be installed with:
> sudo apt install qrencode
> 
> Here's some info.
> https://askubuntu.com/questions/22871/software-to-read-a-qr-code 
> <https://askubuntu.com/questions/22871/software-to-read-a-qr-code>
> 
> BruceS
> 
> 
> On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 10:54, Rolf-Werner Eilert <rwe-sse at osnanet.de 
> <mailto:rwe-sse at osnanet.de>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi folks,
> 
>     For printing confirmational PDFs for participants in a course, I would
>     appreciate using a QR code rather than stamp/signature (which had to be
>     printed + signed + scanned again).
> 
>     As far as I can see, Paint does not include a QR functionality, so my
>     question is, is there any in Gambas yet?
> 
>     Or if not, how have you possibly solved this?
> 
>     Thanks for any hints!
> 
>     Regards
>     Rolf
> 
>     ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette
>     <http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette> ]----
> 
> 
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----


From rwe-sse at osnanet.de  Mon Nov 14 12:50:25 2022
From: rwe-sse at osnanet.de (Rolf-Werner Eilert)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:50:25 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] QR codes in PDF
In-Reply-To: <fec930e3-1fb6-8608-1729-6e8b66f7955e@gambas-basic.org>
References: <dc080fbf-15a9-36ab-88e4-0ab8e08fac6d@osnanet.de>
 <fec930e3-1fb6-8608-1729-6e8b66f7955e@gambas-basic.org>
Message-ID: <4a45ac2e-6f18-7cac-3eac-ea23b20f0bcf@osnanet.de>

Am 14.11.22 um 12:30 schrieb Benoit Minisini:
> Le 14/11/2022 ? 11:47, Rolf-Werner Eilert a ?crit?:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> For printing confirmational PDFs for participants in a course, I would 
>> appreciate using a QR code rather than stamp/signature (which had to 
>> be printed + signed + scanned again).
>>
>> As far as I can see, Paint does not include a QR functionality, so my 
>> question is, is there any in Gambas yet?
>>
>> Or if not, how have you possibly solved this?
>>
>> Thanks for any hints!
>>
>> Regards
>> Rolf
>>
> 
> I use the 'qrencode' program to get a 'png' file with the wanted QR code.
> 
> Regards,
> 

Thank you for the tip Benoit, I'll try it.

Regards
Rolf


From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Mon Nov 14 13:02:18 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 13:02:18 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
In-Reply-To: <cca73b10-3b5d-3642-93ef-d680fb734e3c@freenet.de>
References: <cca73b10-3b5d-3642-93ef-d680fb734e3c@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <60e8c302-ca36-dba7-fdf3-a83c3a89f5a2@gambas-basic.org>

Le 14/11/2022 ? 12:43, Claus Dietrich a ?crit?:
> I agree with Jussi. Here is my summary of concrete arguments to change 
> the CDate() function:
> 
> 1. Visual Basic is not inconsistent - Gambas is inconsistent because
> a. Other than CDate() the Date() function of Gambas doesn't convert to UTC
> b. The CDate() function potentially delivers a wrong UTC time
> because it always applies the current UTC offset instead of the real
> offset
> 
> 2. To get a timestamp, the user has to decide, whether he wants
> a local or UTC timestamp. Other than in Visual Basic it can easily
> be recalculated with System.Timezone in Gambas.
> 
> 3. Other than CDate() the Val() function the string representation
> of a date must comply with the locale of the platform. This is
> a different capability and may impose inconsistencies for
> applications if used in different regions.
> 
> 4. For timestamps Gambas also provides Unix-timestamps.
> 
> 5. Timestamps transported over the Internet sometimes contain a
> time zone information:
> Gas prices here in Germany are i.e. delivered with following timestamp:
> 2022-07-20 23:10:09+02
> 
> 6. Although we don't want a Visual Basic clone, we should at least
> take note that CDate() in VB doesn't convert to UTC and should
> reflect whether a deviation is necessary.
> 
> With best regards
> Claus
> 

You don't understand:

1) That the Gambas 'Date' datatype is a timestamp, not a local 
representation of a date.

2) That a timestamp is the representation of a *absolute physical 
instant*. It is not relative like a string representation of a date.

If you can't get with this logic, because you still mix relative 
representation of time and absolute representation (as shown by your 
point #5), just create your own "date" datatype. Or, in other words, 
store your dates as strings.

Gambas will keep its logic, because it's logic, and CDate() won't 
change, because it will break programs.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 13:52:27 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:52:27 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
In-Reply-To: <60e8c302-ca36-dba7-fdf3-a83c3a89f5a2@gambas-basic.org>
References: <cca73b10-3b5d-3642-93ef-d680fb734e3c@freenet.de>
 <60e8c302-ca36-dba7-fdf3-a83c3a89f5a2@gambas-basic.org>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCBgzcOJ9vvQzFQM-fSPnpVJqdGbYs4GRz1HvMV9=dXPyA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 12:03, Benoit Minisini <
benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org> wrote:

> Le 14/11/2022 ? 12:43, Claus Dietrich a ?crit :
> > I agree with Jussi. Here is my summary of concrete arguments to change
> > the CDate() function:
> >
>
> Gambas will keep its logic, because it's logic, and CDate() won't
> change, because it will break programs.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini.
>


That is a VERY strong counter-argument and one to remember for any argument
that something in gambas must change.
Any commands that have been around for sometime cannot just change as
they're probably being used in many programs already and may break them.

Like Benoit says Claus you either have to get your head around the logic of
the way it is and has always been (most others have), or make a command to
do it how you think it should be done.
No long-time gambas command is going to change how it works for you or
anyone unless there is a bug that's interfering with how Benoit made it to
function.

So...
What EXACTLY is the desired result you are wanting to achieve with the
existing date functions as they currently work?


Respects
BruceS
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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Mon Nov 14 14:02:58 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 14:02:58 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCBgzcOJ9vvQzFQM-fSPnpVJqdGbYs4GRz1HvMV9=dXPyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cca73b10-3b5d-3642-93ef-d680fb734e3c@freenet.de>
 <60e8c302-ca36-dba7-fdf3-a83c3a89f5a2@gambas-basic.org>
 <CABuQYCBgzcOJ9vvQzFQM-fSPnpVJqdGbYs4GRz1HvMV9=dXPyA@mail.gmail.com>
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Le 14/11/2022 ? 13:52, Bruce Steers a ?crit?:
> 
> 
> On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 12:03, Benoit Minisini 
> <benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org 
> <mailto:benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org>> wrote:
> 
>     Le 14/11/2022 ? 12:43, Claus Dietrich a ?crit?:
>      > I agree with Jussi. Here is my summary of concrete arguments to
>     change
>      > the CDate() function:
>      >
> 
>     Gambas will keep its logic, because it's logic, and CDate() won't
>     change, because it will break programs.
> 
>     Regards,
> 
>     -- 
>     Beno?t Minisini.
> 
> 
> 
> That is a VERY strong counter-argument and one to remember for any 
> argument that something in gambas must change.
> Any commands that have been around for sometime cannot just change as 
> they're probably being used in many programs already and may break them.
> 
> Like Benoit says Claus you either have to get your head around the logic 
> of the way it is and has always been (most others have), or make a 
> command to do it how you think it should be done.
> No long-time gambas command is going to change how it works for you or 
> anyone unless there is a bug that's interfering with how Benoit made it 
> to function.
> 
> So...
> What EXACTLY is the desired result you are wanting to achieve with the 
> existing date functions as they currently work?
> 
> 
> Respects
> BruceS
> 

I think the core of this misunderstanding is the definition of what is a 
"date".

The Gambas "Date", is not a "date" in the common sense, but an integer 
representation of an absolute instant in time.

So if you think that a Gambas "Date" is a "date" in the common sense, 
the behaviour of the different date/time functions becomes automatically 
not coherent with what you have in mind.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From bagoneo at libero.it  Mon Nov 14 15:45:31 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 15:45:31 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Two bugs on gb.web.gui
In-Reply-To: <66d832fc-be60-e28d-6e72-df0c8f300685@servinfo.it>
References: <66d832fc-be60-e28d-6e72-df0c8f300685@servinfo.it>
Message-ID: <a55018ed-4e5b-5b17-7d6e-543dcc89f037@libero.it>

Il 14/11/22 11:41, Marco Ancillotti ha scritto:
> HI all ,
> 
> I think I found two bug on gb.web.gui .
> 
> FIRST:
> I've create a simple web page with a webtabpanel and a webcombobox 
> linked by code:
> 
> /Public Sub cbox_Click()//
> //? tab.index = cbox.Index//
> //End/
> 
> So when combobox change tabpanel change as well.
> Now on webform_open I have a /
> /
> 
> /tab.index = 2
> cbox.index = 2/
> 
> And everythink work as expected...
> BUT if I put before the index change a simple webtextbox.text = 
> "somethink" ti completely hangs.
> 
> 
> SECOND:
> 
> if I call the same webform from another as form.showmodal() the tabbox 
> don't refresh the tab selected if I change it
> on form opening.
> 
> 
> I attach an example of bugs.
> 
> gambas is latest daily trunk from ubuntu ppa.
> 
> Thank's in advance ,
> marco.
> 

Hi Marco,

In test.class delete the current code and try this code:

Public Sub cbox_Click()

   tab.Index = cbox.Index

End

 From the project menu first you need to give a "Compile All"

Regards

Gianluigi


From claus.dietrich at freenet.de  Mon Nov 14 15:51:51 2022
From: claus.dietrich at freenet.de (Claus Dietrich)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 15:51:51 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
Message-ID: <16722389-a409-68f5-34d4-4cb74c80124c@freenet.de>

>You don't understand:
>
>1) That the Gambas 'Date' datatype is a timestamp, not a local 
>representation of a date.

I didn't refer to Date as datatype. I clearly referred to the Date
function and both functions
- Date(y,m,d,h,m,s) and CDate(mm/dd/yyyy hh:mm:ss)-
deliver the datatype Date but with different results.

>2) That a timestamp is the representation of a *absolute physical 
>instant*. It is not relative like a string representation of a date.

Then standard ISO 8601 must be a misunderstanding.

>If you can't get with this logic, because you still mix relative 
>representation of time and absolute representation (as shown by your 
>point #5)

I don't see reasons to have doubts about my logic and to get personal.

>just create your own "date" datatype. Or, in other words, 
>store your dates as strings.
>
>Gambas will keep its logic, because it's logic, and CDate() won't 
>change, because it will break programs.

As said earlier it is no problem for me. So I will provide you
with a change proposal for the CDate documentation.

Best regards
Claus


From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 16:49:26 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 15:49:26 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Two bugs on gb.web.gui
In-Reply-To: <66d832fc-be60-e28d-6e72-df0c8f300685@servinfo.it>
References: <66d832fc-be60-e28d-6e72-df0c8f300685@servinfo.it>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCAm5XebAsUDtB=gWJ8qR6cmAkJo9gC0VUS8pcKgByOJig@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 10:44, Marco Ancillotti <gambas at servinfo.it> wrote:

> HI all ,
>
> I think I found two bug on gb.web.gui .
>
> FIRST:
> I've create a simple web page with a webtabpanel and a webcombobox linked
> by code:
>
> *Public Sub cbox_Click()*
> *  tab.index = cbox.Index*
> *End*
>
> So when combobox change tabpanel change as well.
> Now on webform_open I have a
>
>
> *tab.index = 2 cbox.index = 2*
>

By setting the cbox.index without locking it first it will trigger the
cbox_Click event so tabs.index gets set twice.
Having the cbox_Click() event means you should only have to set cbox.Index
and tab.index will update itself so try removing tabs.Index = 2.
(I do not think this is the reason for the hang though)

> And everythink work as expected...
> BUT if I put before the index change a simple webtextbox.text =
> "somethink" ti completely hangs.
>
Yes for some reason the tab cannot set itself in WebForm_Open
I fixed it by creating a WebTimer and in WebForm_Open() i start the timer,
then set tab.Index in the timer event.
This frees the main event loop i believe thus preventing the hang.

SECOND:

if I call the same webform from another as form.showmodal() the tabbox
don't refresh the tab selected if I change it
on form opening.

I attach an example of bugs.
>
WebTabPanel not setting in a modal window does seem like a bug but modal
windows are different.
Attached is a working version using a webtimer.
I also made it set the cbox.Index if tab changes and use tab.Refresh in the
cbox_Click event to ensure tab shows correctly.

It all seems to function/refresh correctly with the minor change to using a
timer

Respects
BruceS
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From gambas at servinfo.it  Mon Nov 14 16:49:53 2022
From: gambas at servinfo.it (Marco Ancillotti)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 16:49:53 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Two bugs on gb.web.gui
In-Reply-To: <a55018ed-4e5b-5b17-7d6e-543dcc89f037@libero.it>
References: <66d832fc-be60-e28d-6e72-df0c8f300685@servinfo.it>
 <a55018ed-4e5b-5b17-7d6e-543dcc89f037@libero.it>
Message-ID: <084a0439-28f5-1ef7-f06d-953d02daacda@servinfo.it>

Il 14/11/22 15:45, gian via User ha scritto:
>
> In test.class delete the current code and try this code:
>
> Public Sub cbox_Click()
>
> ? tab.Index = cbox.Index
>
> End

Removing the code from webform_open () obviously works but the bugs 
remain ....

You get the same code I have already reported as working in the comments.



From gambas at servinfo.it  Mon Nov 14 16:53:16 2022
From: gambas at servinfo.it (Marco Ancillotti)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 16:53:16 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Two bugs on gb.web.gui
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCAm5XebAsUDtB=gWJ8qR6cmAkJo9gC0VUS8pcKgByOJig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <66d832fc-be60-e28d-6e72-df0c8f300685@servinfo.it>
 <CABuQYCAm5XebAsUDtB=gWJ8qR6cmAkJo9gC0VUS8pcKgByOJig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1a60a15d-876b-3e27-cdf1-feb47d492003@servinfo.it>

Il 14/11/22 16:49, Bruce Steers ha scritto:
> ...

I also found a workaround, if I insert a message.info when changing the 
tab everything works magically, in my opinion, however, the bug remains.



From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 17:57:15 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 11:57:15 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] WebPage and external files
In-Reply-To: <7e36d49a-01cd-8851-00d7-68d962c0488f@gmail.com>
References: <a65ca062-79f8-e250-2c25-3953d318c6df@gambas-buch.de>
 <CABuQYCA4DP6wxLt0RDYdxmTYjzjzWvOWZqDQESXOM=wcut_5Cw@mail.gmail.com>
 <4595ae41-233d-a4d1-d033-5d8238898701@gambas-buch.de>
 <7e36d49a-01cd-8851-00d7-68d962c0488f@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1f6fe4e-6af9-6c1c-cc35-7dd466503d63@gmail.com>

On 11/13/22 12:35, T Lee Davidson wrote:
> On 11/13/22 11:48, Hans Lehmann wrote:
>> unfortunately the implementation of this hint does not bring the hoped for access to the content of external files like 
>> style.css or logo.png.
> 
> Hmmm, that should work.
> 
> Are you certain you are specifying the path correctly?
> 
> If you have a style sheet in the project's Public directory (and not in a subdirectory of that directory), the link tag in the 
> HEAD of the web page should be similar to:
> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="<%/%>/style.css">
> 
> I just tried it with both a style sheet and an image (in a "img" subdirectory), and it does work.

Attached is the test project I used based on the example given at:
http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/webpage


-- 
Lee
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From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 18:10:06 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:10:06 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] QR codes in PDF
In-Reply-To: <4a45ac2e-6f18-7cac-3eac-ea23b20f0bcf@osnanet.de>
References: <dc080fbf-15a9-36ab-88e4-0ab8e08fac6d@osnanet.de>
 <fec930e3-1fb6-8608-1729-6e8b66f7955e@gambas-basic.org>
 <4a45ac2e-6f18-7cac-3eac-ea23b20f0bcf@osnanet.de>
Message-ID: <69cfe0f3-afc2-4b9f-2113-5531b3071b52@gmail.com>

On 11/14/22 06:50, Rolf-Werner Eilert wrote:
> Am 14.11.22 um 12:30 schrieb Benoit Minisini:
>> Le 14/11/2022 ? 11:47, Rolf-Werner Eilert a ?crit?:
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> For printing confirmational PDFs for participants in a course, I would appreciate using a QR code rather than stamp/signature 
>>> (which had to be printed + signed + scanned again).
>>>
>>> As far as I can see, Paint does not include a QR functionality, so my question is, is there any in Gambas yet?
>>>
>>> Or if not, how have you possibly solved this?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any hints!
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Rolf
>>>
>>
>> I use the 'qrencode' program to get a 'png' file with the wanted QR code.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
> 
> Thank you for the tip Benoit, I'll try it.
> 
> Regards
> Rolf

On my system there is also a C library, libqrencode4, if you'd like to go the external interface route.


-- 
Lee


From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 18:30:15 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:30:15 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
In-Reply-To: <16722389-a409-68f5-34d4-4cb74c80124c@freenet.de>
References: <16722389-a409-68f5-34d4-4cb74c80124c@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <0bd191dc-fbf6-d800-c179-d50075d3501d@gmail.com>

On 11/14/22 09:51, Claus Dietrich wrote:
>> 2) That a timestamp is the representation of a *absolute physical 
>> instant*.?It?is?not?relative?like?a?string?representation?of?a?date.
> 
> Then?standard?ISO?8601?must?be?a?misunderstanding.

Unless I missed it, ISO 8601 does not even mention, "timestamp". It covers, instead, the format of *string* representation of 
dates and times.


-- 
Lee


From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Mon Nov 14 18:56:42 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 18:56:42 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
In-Reply-To: <16722389-a409-68f5-34d4-4cb74c80124c@freenet.de>
References: <16722389-a409-68f5-34d4-4cb74c80124c@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <b99a54d5-c8c7-282d-bfd2-37a1bb9c6546@gambas-basic.org>

Le 14/11/2022 ? 15:51, Claus Dietrich a ?crit?:
>> You don't understand:
>>
>> 1) That the Gambas 'Date' datatype is a timestamp, not a local 
>> representation of a date.
> 
> I didn't refer to Date as datatype. I clearly referred to the Date
> function and both functions
> - Date(y,m,d,h,m,s) and CDate(mm/dd/yyyy hh:mm:ss)-
> deliver the datatype Date but with different results.
> 
>> 2) That a timestamp is the representation of a *absolute physical 
>> instant*. It is not relative like a string representation of a date.
> 
> Then standard ISO 8601 must be a misunderstanding.

ISO 8601 tries to represent timestamp with the usual human "date as a 
string" representation - as soon as the timezone is specified of course. 
It works only by using Gregorian calendar.

> 
>> If you can't get with this logic, because you still mix relative 
>> representation of time and absolute representation (as shown by your 
>> point #5)
> 
> I don't see reasons to have doubts about my logic and to get personal.

Sorry, I didn't want to be personal at all. I just try to untie the 
problem where we both use the same words with different meanings, which 
won't lead the discussion anywhere.

This is why I talked about point #5: it seems that you think Gambas 
understands in some way the usual concept of date. But Gambas doesn't. 
It does not store things like day, month, year... It only manipulates 
timestamp, i.e. absolute time instants.

Maybe if "Date" datatype and "CDate" functions had been named 
"Timestamp" and "CTimestamp", it would have been more clear?

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 19:30:55 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 18:30:55 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Two bugs on gb.web.gui
In-Reply-To: <1a60a15d-876b-3e27-cdf1-feb47d492003@servinfo.it>
References: <66d832fc-be60-e28d-6e72-df0c8f300685@servinfo.it>
 <CABuQYCAm5XebAsUDtB=gWJ8qR6cmAkJo9gC0VUS8pcKgByOJig@mail.gmail.com>
 <1a60a15d-876b-3e27-cdf1-feb47d492003@servinfo.it>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCAVd-GDpnja3p0neJt25L1++eWBxHMPv0hcxeY+VwWRKA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 15:54, Marco Ancillotti <gambas at servinfo.it> wrote:

> Il 14/11/22 16:49, Bruce Steers ha scritto:
> > ...
>
> I also found a workaround, if I insert a message.info when changing the
> tab everything works magically, in my opinion, however, the bug remains.
>

If it is a bug? , it could be a limitation.
As much as gb.web.gui tries to mimic gb.gui it's not the same and
restricted in some ways.

I do not know why but moving setting the combo from the Open() event and
into a timer started in Open() seems to fix everything.

I tried all manner of different ways to get it all to work in the Open()
event but all failed in various ways, mostly the tab view would not update
as you say when changing.

The difference with my workaround is the WebTimer happens client-side after
the code is sent not server-side. I don't understand the exact reason it
makes it work but it does. (plus i think more reasonable than calling
Message())

I have had a few previous issues with gambas that the problem turned out to
be "You should not do that inside an event handler". The answer was to use
a timer as I have here instead thus freeing the event handler.  That was
why i thought of it as a solution to this problem and it worked :)


I noticed things like using WebForm_Event() in the main form triggers okay.
in the form opened by the main form it does not.
There seems to be a few differences with a main window and a sub window in
web.gui.
Perhaps there is a big difference that causes limitations?

Or it's just a bug? ;)

Benoit of course is the best qualified to know the difference here i think,
I'm just good at workarounds :)

Respects
BruceS
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 20:10:35 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 19:10:35 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Two bugs on gb.web.gui
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References: <66d832fc-be60-e28d-6e72-df0c8f300685@servinfo.it>
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 18:30, Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 15:54, Marco Ancillotti <gambas at servinfo.it> wrote:
>
>> Il 14/11/22 16:49, Bruce Steers ha scritto:
>> > ...
>>
>> I also found a workaround, if I insert a message.info when changing the
>> tab everything works magically, in my opinion, however, the bug remains.
>>
>
> If it is a bug? , it could be a limitation.
> As much as gb.web.gui tries to mimic gb.gui it's not the same and
> restricted in some ways.
>
> I do not know why but moving setting the combo from the Open() event and
> into a timer started in Open() seems to fix everything.
>
> I tried all manner of different ways to get it all to work in the Open()
> event but all failed in various ways, mostly the tab view would not update
> as you say when changing.
>
> The difference with my workaround is the WebTimer happens client-side
> after the code is sent not server-side. I don't understand the exact reason
> it makes it work but it does. (plus i think more reasonable than calling
> Message())
>
> I have had a few previous issues with gambas that the problem turned out
> to be "You should not do that inside an event handler". The answer was to
> use a timer as I have here instead thus freeing the event handler.  That
> was why i thought of it as a solution to this problem and it worked :)
>
>
> I noticed things like using WebForm_Event() in the main form triggers
> okay. in the form opened by the main form it does not.
> There seems to be a few differences with a main window and a sub window in
> web.gui.
> Perhaps there is a big difference that causes limitations?
>
> Or it's just a bug? ;)
>
> Benoit of course is the best qualified to know the difference here i
> think, I'm just good at workarounds :)
>

Pretty sure it's a bug in WebTabPanel
after all i said there i changed the other form to be the Startup class and
when that was the main form It still hangs.

changing cbox.Index did not hang but tab.Index did.

I think it is because the tabs have not initialized properly before you set
the text box items.

The following code also fixes it by setting index to all tabs before you
set the text box strings...

Public Sub WebForm_Open()

' Run through the tabs to initialize them
For c As Integer = tab.Count - 1 DownTo 0
   tab.Index = c
 Next

' nothing fails now :)

   cbox.Index = 2

  T1.Text = "CIAO1"
  T2.Text = "CIAO2"
  T3.Text = "CIAO3"


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Respects
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From claus.dietrich at freenet.de  Mon Nov 14 22:45:51 2022
From: claus.dietrich at freenet.de (Claus Dietrich)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 22:45:51 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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>This is why I talked about point #5: it seems that you think Gambas 
>understands in some way the usual concept of date. But Gambas doesn't. 
>It does not store things like day, month, year... It only manipulates 
>timestamp, i.e. absolute time instants.
>Maybe if "Date" datatype and "CDate" functions had been named 
>"Timestamp" and "CTimestamp", it would have been more clear?

I am aware of the details of the datatype Date including
how data are stored and I also don't mix up things. The example
in #5 is just a real practical example of a timestamp with UTC
notation represented by a string and communicated over the Internet.

The term timestamp refers to a certain event and doesn't
have to be absolute. The Gambas datatype Date just represents
an absolute value for a particular point of time and CDate
delivers such a value against a certain input argument.
That's a different thing and regrettably the result is only
consistent and usable as timestamp if the input argument
is exactly the current local date and time. This hardly
makes sense to me I am wondering about the intended
practical use of CDate.

Nevertheless, the argument of maintaining compatibility
is fully accepted.

Best regards
Claus















   

  



  


From chrisml at deganius.de  Mon Nov 14 23:29:19 2022
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 23:29:19 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] 
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Am 14.11.22 um 22:45 schrieb Claus Dietrich:

>> This is why I talked about point #5: it seems that you think Gambas
>> understands in some way the usual concept of date. But Gambas doesn't.
>> It does not store things like day, month, year... It only manipulates
>> timestamp, i.e. absolute time instants.
>> Maybe if "Date" datatype and "CDate" functions had been named
>> "Timestamp" and "CTimestamp", it would have been more clear?
> 
> I am aware of the details of the datatype Date including
> how data are stored and I also don't mix up things. The example
> in #5 is just a real practical example of a timestamp with UTC
> notation represented by a string and communicated over the Internet.

When you quote, can you please specify who you are quoting and when the 
quote is from? Like I did here:

"Am 14.11.22 um 22:45 schrieb Claus Dietrich:"

Otherwise it is difficult to follow the discussion.

Also please reply to a mail you are quoting instead of creating a new 
one with the same topic and pasting the quote inside the text. AFAICS 
you started four different threads with the same topic "CDate 
Documentation" by writing a new mail with the same topic.

When you reply instead, your email program creates an "In-Reply-To" 
header that allows different clients to sort your reply to the correct 
place in the thread.

Thank you!

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Tue Nov 15 02:15:20 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 02:15:20 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Request property for gd.db.Result mode
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Le 14/11/2022 ? 05:20, BB a ?crit?:
> Benoit,
> 
> Would it be possible that you could add a (readonly) property to the 
> Result class to indicate the mode of that result?
> 
> I am passing some result objects between several classes in a project 
> and sometimes they are updateable and sometimes not (on purpose). At the 
> moment all one of these classes can do is to try to update the result 
> and if it gets an error then re-read the result in a updateable mode and 
> then do the update. This is extremely messy and requires up to three 
> accesses to the database.
> 
> I have had a look at the CResult.c class but the level of C is well 
> beyond my abilities.
> 
> 
> tia
> 
> bruce
> 
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

If I add a "ReadOnly" or "Editable" boolean property, that tells if you 
can modify the Result contents, will it fit?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 15 02:18:32 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 11:48:32 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Request property for gd.db.Result mode
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On 15/11/22 11:45 am, Benoit Minisini wrote:
> Le 14/11/2022 ? 05:20, BB a ?crit?:
>> Benoit,
>>
>> Would it be possible that you could add a (readonly) property to the 
>> Result class to indicate the mode of that result?
>>
>> I am passing some result objects between several classes in a project 
>> and sometimes they are updateable and sometimes not (on purpose). At 
>> the moment all one of these classes can do is to try to update the 
>> result and if it gets an error then re-read the result in a 
>> updateable mode and then do the update. This is extremely messy and 
>> requires up to three accesses to the database.
>>
>> I have had a look at the CResult.c class but the level of C is well 
>> beyond my abilities.
>>
>>
>> tia
>>
>> bruce
>>
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
> If I add a "ReadOnly" or "Editable" boolean property, that tells if 
> you can modify the Result contents, will it fit?
>
That would be fine. I think? "ReadOnly" would be more consistent with 
general Gambas.



From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Tue Nov 15 03:06:24 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 04:06:24 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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>
> If you want the timezone in use, just use 'Val()' then. Leave 'CDate()'
>> alone. I don't see why it is a problem.
>>
>
> Yes, I don't use CDate at all, but still the problem occurs when switching
> from summer time to winter time.
>

Let's say I have a date variable, which contains my chosen date "something
12:00", which internally (IE in UTC) is "something 10:00" (in reality of
course as float).
Now suddenly "timezone changes" and instead of +2, becomes +1. IE still
internally "something 10:00", but shown is "something 11:00".
IE the shown is *not* the date I have chosen!

I could run my program as "TZ=UTC ./myprogram" to avoid that, but then I
would not have the correct output from Time(), etc functions.
Or alternatively a lot of similar problems, if I do equivalent in Gambas
(IE use only and show only the internal presentation forced to be
"something 12:00").

If there would be let's say LocalDate datatype which would not have
timezone at all, then "something 12:00" would always be shown "something
12:00" independently of timezone and internally it could be float as well.
Of course it would not have much sense if transferred as float over
internet, without data about the timezone.
But I see this as very trivial problem, just use a string instead.

However, how to fix the current problem? I'm out of ideas.


Jussi
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 15 03:38:40 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 13:08:40 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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@ everyone

Just in case everyone is cooling down, what's this?

Public Sub Main()

   Dim LunchDate As Date

   LunchDate = Date(2023, 5, 1, 12, 30, 0)
   Print Format(LunchDate, "ddd d mmm yy hh:nn t")

End

Outputs: *Mon 1 May 23 12:30 ACDT*

Here in South Aus it is currently late spring and daylight savings is in 
use. The TZ abbrev is ACDT.

But the 1st of May next year is NOT daylight saving time. It should 
print IMO *Mon 1 May 23 12:30 ACST*


?

b

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From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 04:46:18 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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This is related to what I have tried to explain several times. The date
datatype does not contain timezone information, UTC is always used
internally and what is shown is adjusted according to the currently used
timezone. Thus you can't get correct results like that. It does not work
like a paper calendar.


Jussi


On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 4:39 AM BB <adamnt42 at gmail.com> wrote:

> @ everyone
>
> Just in case everyone is cooling down, what's this?
>
> Public Sub Main()
>
>   Dim LunchDate As Date
>
>   LunchDate = Date(2023, 5, 1, 12, 30, 0)
>   Print Format(LunchDate, "ddd d mmm yy hh:nn t")
>
> End
>
> Outputs: *Mon 1 May 23 12:30 ACDT*
>
> Here in South Aus it is currently late spring and daylight savings is in
> use. The TZ abbrev is ACDT.
>
> But the 1st of May next year is NOT daylight saving time. It should print
> IMO *Mon 1 May 23 12:30 ACST*
>
> ?
>
> b
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 15 04:39:21 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 14:09:21 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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On 15/11/22 1:16 pm, Jussi Lahtinen wrote:
> This is related to what I have tried to explain several times. The 
> date datatype does not contain timezone information, UTC is always 
> used internally and what is shown is adjusted according to the 
> currently used timezone. Thus you can't get correct results like that. 
> It does not work like a paper calendar.
>
>
> Jussi
>
>
Maybe I am finally starting to see your issue.

But the date and time are correct in that they are a specific instance. 
I have changed the TZ in Env to several places and it always returns the 
same date and time. What I think here is wrong is that Gambas is just 
printing the Env["TZ"] value, it is not looking at the date and deciding 
which *local timezone* to print based on that date.

So if you and I agree to meet for lunch in Honolulu at 12:30 
America/Hawaii next MayDay to both of us the Date value should be 
2492170.52083333 and should not change no matter what the current TZ is 
on our respective laptops. However when you display that date (in ECT?) 
it should be 1/May/2023 12:30pm _unless you want to see what date/time 
it would be in "your time" or "my time" etc._ Is that what you are 
getting at?

AFAIK we dont have a datetime conversion function. Historically, I have 
used a postgres function to do this like "SELECT '2023-5-1 12:30 HST' AT 
TIME ZONE 'ACDT';" as it was easier than doing the complex conversion 
myself.

b

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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Tue Nov 15 05:00:52 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 06:00:52 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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>
> But the date and time are correct in that they are a specific instance. I
> have changed the TZ in Env to several places and it always returns the same
> date and time. What I think here is wrong is that Gambas is just printing
> the Env["TZ"] value, it is not looking at the date and deciding which *local
> timezone* to print based on that date.
>
> So if you and I agree to meet for lunch in Honolulu at 12:30
> America/Hawaii next MayDay to both of us the Date value should be
> 2492170.52083333 and should not change no matter what the current TZ is on
> our respective laptops. However when you display that date (in ECT?) it
> should be 1/May/2023 12:30pm *unless you want to see what date/time it
> would be in "your time" or "my time" etc.* Is that what you are getting
> at?
>
Yes, my timezone does not matter at all, if we plan to meet in Honolulu
local time 12:30.
Try different TZ values with this code (note that wrongly given values
fallback to UTC):

Dim hDate1 As Date = CDate("12/24/2024 12:00") ''<-- here it is given as UTC
Dim hDate2 As Date = Val("12/24/2024 12:00") ''<-- here it is given as
local time

Print CStr(hDate1);; Str(hDate1) ''internal presentation & localized
presentation accordingly
Print CStr(hDate2);; Str(hDate2)


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From tobs at taboege.de  Tue Nov 15 05:47:27 2022
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2022, BB wrote:
> 
> On 15/11/22 1:16 pm, Jussi Lahtinen wrote:
> > This is related to what I have tried to explain several times. The date
> > datatype does not contain timezone information, UTC is always used
> > internally and what is shown is adjusted according to the currently used
> > timezone. Thus you can't get correct results like that. It does not work
> > like a paper calendar.
> > 
> > 
> > Jussi
> > 
> > 
> Maybe I am finally starting to see your issue.
> 
> But the date and time are correct in that they are a specific instance. I
> have changed the TZ in Env to several places and it always returns the same
> date and time. What I think here is wrong is that Gambas is just printing
> the Env["TZ"] value, it is not looking at the date and deciding which *local
> timezone* to print based on that date.
> 
> So if you and I agree to meet for lunch in Honolulu at 12:30 America/Hawaii
> next MayDay to both of us the Date value should be 2492170.52083333 and
> should not change no matter what the current TZ is on our respective
> laptops. However when you display that date (in ECT?) it should be
> 1/May/2023 12:30pm _unless you want to see what date/time it would be in
> "your time" or "my time" etc._ Is that what you are getting at?
> 
> AFAIK we dont have a datetime conversion function. Historically, I have used
> a postgres function to do this like "SELECT '2023-5-1 12:30 HST' AT TIME
> ZONE 'ACDT';" as it was easier than doing the complex conversion myself.
> 

Calendar date/time is so, so subtle! I for one prefer the Date as it is in
Gambas: an instant. Its string representation looks different depending on
the timezone it is rendered for and it alone is entirely unsuitable for
presenting the date and time of an appointment to humans, as your LunchDate
demonstrates. We don't care so much about instants, but about the time
relative to the instant our nearest clock shows 00:00 on any given day
(or maybe 03:00 twice a year).

Creating a Date subjects it to your local timezone in that it is subtracted
to yield a UTC timestamp of the instant you meant. Here Gambas is crucially
making an assumption (but a documented one) about what you mean when you
create a Date: you mean that date in the current timezone. This can be
confusing in the commonly cited scenario that you're trying to represent a
local appointment in the future that crosses a daylight savings boundary;
but I feel like I have wrapped my head around this a while ago and have not
been surprised by CDate & co. since then.

Calendar date/time should be its own and separate datatype that can deal
with all the human subtlety associated with it. If we plan to meet N years
from now, who knows if daylight saving will still be a thing? What if the
time lords add another leap second [1]? Both are things that will screw up
an instant such as Date and they are out of control of my small computer
at the moment we make the appointment. They should not screw up a robust
implementation of a calendar date/time because most of our appointments do
not depend on the leap second or daylight saving (my lunch time certainly
doesn't).

The Date in Gambas is for storing dumb instances and doing dumb arithmetic
on them. That's just right for a basic datatype, IMHO.

Best,
Tobias

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second

-- 
"There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk

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On 15/11/22 3:17 pm, Tobias Boege via User wrote:
> If we plan to meet N years
> from now, who knows if daylight saving will still be a thing? What if the
> time lords add another leap second [1]?

TZData (the website) is quite explicit on this, any "future" *tzdata* 
that does not exist in the database should be assumed to be the same as 
the "latest" data for that TZ. IOW the one with "max" in it.

So for here,

# South Australia
# Rule??? NAME??? FROM??? TO??? -??? IN??? ON??? AT??? SAVE??? LETTER/S
Rule??? AS??? 1971??? 1985??? -??? Oct??? lastSun??? 2:00s??? 1:00??? D
Rule??? AS??? 1986??? only??? -??? Oct??? 19??? 2:00s??? 1:00??? D
Rule??? AS??? 1987??? 2007??? -??? Oct??? lastSun??? 2:00s??? 1:00??? D
Rule??? AS??? 1972??? only??? -??? Feb??? 27??? 2:00s??? 0??? S
Rule??? AS??? 1973??? 1985??? -??? Mar??? Sun>=1??? 2:00s??? 0??? S
Rule??? AS??? 1986??? 1990??? -??? Mar??? Sun>=15??? 2:00s??? 0??? S
Rule??? AS??? 1991??? only??? -??? Mar??? 3??? 2:00s??? 0??? S
Rule??? AS??? 1992??? only??? -??? Mar??? 22??? 2:00s??? 0??? S
Rule??? AS??? 1993??? only??? -??? Mar??? 7??? 2:00s??? 0??? S
Rule??? AS??? 1994??? only??? -??? Mar??? 20??? 2:00s??? 0??? S
Rule??? AS??? 1995??? 2005??? -??? Mar??? lastSun??? 2:00s??? 0??? S
Rule??? AS??? 2006??? only??? -??? Apr??? 2??? 2:00s??? 0??? S
Rule??? AS??? 2007??? only??? -??? Mar??? lastSun??? 2:00s??? 0??? S
Rule??? AS??? 2008??? max??? -??? Apr??? Sun>=1??? 2:00s??? 0??? S
Rule??? AS??? 2008??? max??? -??? Oct??? Sun>=1??? 2:00s??? 1:00??? D

any date after 2008 should use the 2008 rules.

But I agree with everything you are saying, the only "gripe" I have with 
the entire Gambas "Date" regime is that Format(fDate, "t" or "tt") gave 
me the wrong local timezone for a specific date.

It should return the timezone for that date, not simply the current 
timezone as seen in the Env[] value. Since Gambas does the subtraction 
to get its UTC value for the "date" then it should be able to figure out 
the DST/nonDST variant for a date. In fact it must have already have 
done that in order to do that subtraction.

AFAICS the "dates" are right, *Format* isn't.


b

(p.s. If my lunch isn't on time to the millisecond then words will be 
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Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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On 15/11/22 2:30 pm, Jussi Lahtinen wrote:
>
> Dim hDate1 As Date = CDate("12/24/2024 12:00") ''<-- here it is given 
> as UTC
> Dim hDate2 As Date = Val("12/24/2024 12:00") ''<-- here it is given as 
> local time
>
> Print CStr(hDate1);; Str(hDate1) ''internal presentation & localized 
> presentation accordingly
> Print CStr(hDate2);; Str(hDate2)
>
>
> Jussi

I gave that a try (albeit, slightly differently) over several timezones 
and everything worked as expected?

   Dim hDate1 As Date = CDate("12/24/2024 12:00")  ''<-- here it is assumed that the string is UTC"
   Dim hDate2 As Date = Val("24/12/2024 12:00")    ''<-- here it is assumed to be a local time

   ' So whats the values?
   Print Env["TZ"], CFloat(hdate1), CFloat(hDate2)                                      '' "As expected, they are different"
   
   ' Now do some conversions...
   ' CStr(Date) gives the representation of the date in UTC TZ
   ' Str(Date) gives the representation of the date in the "current" TZ i.e. Env("TZ")
   ' Printing the raw date is the same as Str(Date)
   ' Printing the Formatted raw time gives the converted time and the right TZ
   Print CStr(hDate1), Str(hDate1), hDate1, "!", Format(hDate1, "hh:nn t")   '' "All 4 outputs are as expected"
   Print CStr(hDate2), Str(hDate2), hDate2, "!", Format(hDate2, "hh:nn t")   '' "All 4 ouputs are as expected"
   Print CStr(CDate(CFloat(hDate1)))                                         '' "UTC As expected"
   Print (CDate(CFloat(hDate1)))                                             '' "Local As expected"
   Print CStr(CDate(CStr(hDate1)))                                           '' "UTC As expected"

Sample output:

HST     2492773.5       2492773.91666667
12/24/2024 12:00:00     24/12/2024 02:00:00     24/12/2024 02:00:00     !       02:00 HST
12/24/2024 22:00:00     24/12/2024 12:00:00     24/12/2024 12:00:00     !       12:00 HST
12/24/2024 12:00:00
24/12/2024 02:00:00
12/24/2024 12:00:00

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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Tue Nov 15 09:21:31 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 09:21:31 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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Le 15/11/2022 ? 03:06, Jussi Lahtinen a ?crit?:
>         If you want the timezone in use, just use 'Val()' then. Leave
>         'CDate()'
>         alone. I don't see why it is a problem.
> 
> 
>     Yes, I don't use CDate at all, but still the problem occurs when
>     switching from summer time to winter time.
> 
> 
> Let's say I have a date variable, which contains my chosen date 
> "something 12:00", which internally (IE in UTC) is "something 10:00" (in 
> reality of course as float).

No, Gambas "Dates" are not "internally UTC" at all.

Again, Gambas "Dates" are not dates, they are timestamp, i.e. *points in 
time*.

> Now suddenly "timezone changes" and instead of +2, becomes +1. IE still 
> internally "something 10:00", but shown is "something 11:00".
> IE the shown is *not* the date I have chosen!

Because you think you are storing a date inside the Date datatype, 
whereas you are not.

Here is a similar confusion with strings and charsets.

``
Let's say I have a String variable, which contains my chosen character 
string "Winter is coming", which internally is 87, 105, 110, 116, 101, 
114, 32, 105...

Now suddenly my local charset changes, and instead of "Windows-1252" 
becomes "EBCDIC-FR". IE still internally 87, 105, 110..., but shown is 
"????@??@??????". IE the shown is *not* the character string I have chosen!
''

Of course, as you don't store characters in a string, but bytes. Bytes 
becomes characters through a charset. There is always an implicit 
charset when Gambas deals with String datatype. UTF-8 or ASCII. And so 
there is always an implicit timezone when dealing with Date datatype.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Tue Nov 15 09:30:43 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 09:30:43 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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Le 15/11/2022 ? 03:38, BB a ?crit?:
> @ everyone
> 
> Just in case everyone is cooling down, what's this?
> 
> Public Sub Main()
> 
>    Dim LunchDate As Date
> 
>    LunchDate = Date(2023, 5, 1, 12, 30, 0)
>    Print Format(LunchDate, "ddd d mmm yy hh:nn t")
> 
> End
> 
> Outputs: *Mon 1 May 23 12:30 ACDT*
> 
> Here in South Aus it is currently late spring and daylight savings is in 
> use. The TZ abbrev is ACDT.
> 
> But the 1st of May next year is NOT daylight saving time. It should 
> print IMO *Mon 1 May 23 12:30 ACST*
> 
> 
> ?
> 
> b
> 

Because you think Gambas Date datatype stores a date. But it does not.

A Gambas Date is a *point in time*.

``LunchDate = Date(2023, 5, 1, 12, 30, 0)'' means:

Store in LunchDate the "time point" associated with the specified local 
date in current timezone.

``Print Format(LunchDate, "ddd d mmm yy hh:nn t")'' means:

Get that time point and print the date associated with it in local 
format using the current timezone.

Anyway I don't think there is an API in Linux to know what the timezone 
is for a specific timestamp (and a specific country).

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 15 10:27:25 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 19:57:25 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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Now you've got me confused. (Inline)

On 15/11/22 7:00 pm, Benoit Minisini wrote:
> A Gambas Date is a *point in time*.
>
> ``LunchDate = Date(2023, 5, 1, 12, 30, 0)'' means:
>
> Store in LunchDate the "time point" associated with the specified 
> local date in current timezone.

I thought that we had all agreed that the *point in time*was a numerical 
(float) representation of the parameters converted to a UTC based 
equivalent. Or is it arbitrary?

If it is UTC then how do you do it? From the Env["TZ"] value? From the 
timezone offset? If so how do you get the -9.5 in winter and -10.5 in 
summer? Whatever a) the "point in time is correct AFAICS but b) then you 
must know how to get a timezone in the "active environment".

>
> ``Print Format(LunchDate, "ddd d mmm yy hh:nn t")'' means:
>
> Get that time point and print the date associated with it in local 
> format using the current timezone.
>
I have no problem with that apart from "t" is not correct within the 
*timeframe* for that date. IOW, I am totally happy with the way that 
Dates work but disappointed in the way Format works. I dont want it to 
change the date or time, just to print/display the correct timezone for 
the "date" concerned. So where or how does Format() get the timezone 
information? It appears to me that it is just using the "environment" 
timezone at the time the project is loaded. But this raises another 
matter, if I change the Env["TZ"] value on the fly printing the 
Env["TZ"] value works as expected *but* the Format() function still 
prints the value in force when the program was started? I would have 
expected that if I set Env["TZ"]="EET" then format would display that 
value i.e. Format(Now, "d-mmm-yy hh:nn t") would display (say) "1-May-23 
12:30 EET" but it doesn't. It still displays "1-May-23 12:30 ACDT". 
(When slightly more correctly it should display "1-May-23 12:30 ACST")

> Anyway I don't think there is an API in Linux to know what the 
> timezone is for a specific timestamp (and a specific country). 


I am having a look through the*tzset, tzname, timezone, daylight* man 
pages at the moment to see if their is anything there. (I should be 
working on that massive database conversion, but hey.)

[Aside] Oh and thanks for the Result.Editable property it has revealed 
how many errors I had in my migration code. Also you asked about the 
partitioned tables, they are giving us a throughput benefit of more than 
80%. Batch queries that used to take around 8 minutes now complete in 
seconds! :-) I am eager to see what happens when we use similar queries 
from inside Gambas but expect the same benefit.

regards

b

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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Tue Nov 15 16:29:04 2022
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 17:29:04 +0200
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>
> > Let's say I have a date variable, which contains my chosen date
> > "something 12:00", which internally (IE in UTC) is "something 10:00"
> *(in > reality of course as float).*
>
> No, Gambas "Dates" are not "internally UTC" at all.
>
> Again, Gambas "Dates" are not dates, they are timestamp, i.e. *points in
> time*.
>

You insist on this point again and again, but I have never made it!!!
Please re-read what I actually wrote.
The timestamp is in float, but it corresponds to UTC time.



> Here is a similar confusion with strings and charsets.
>

Yeah, and this would make strings quite useless in Gambas. This really is a
similar issue to the date datatype.


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From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
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Le 15/11/2022 ? 16:29, Jussi Lahtinen a ?crit?:
>      > Let's say I have a date variable, which contains my chosen date
>      > "something 12:00", which internally (IE in UTC) is "something
>     10:00" *(in
>      > reality of course as float).*
> 
>     No, Gambas "Dates" are not "internally UTC" at all.
> 
>     Again, Gambas "Dates" are not dates, they are timestamp, i.e.
>     *points in
>     time*.
> 
> 
> You insist on this point again and again, but I have never made it!!! 

That's exactly the problem.

> Please re-read what I actually wrote.
> The timestamp is in float, but it corresponds to UTC time.
> 
>     Here is a similar confusion with strings and charsets.
> 
> 
> Yeah, and this would make strings quite useless in Gambas. This really 
> is a similar issue to the date datatype.
> 
> Jussi
> 

After having written thousands of lines of code in Gambas for 
applications sold to dozen of clients having completely different 
activities and using it daily with millions of objects, I'm relatively 
confident that the way strings and dates work in Gambas is perfectly 
useful and valid.

I'm not arguing with you. I'm just trying to explain you how it 
*actually* works, because you seems to not get it and try to twist the 
Date datatype in a way that can't work.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Tue Nov 15 17:56:02 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 18:56:02 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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> ... I'm relatively confident that the way strings and dates work in Gambas
> is perfectly useful and valid.
>

Does the character set spontaneously change twice a year? No, thus Gambas
strings *are* useful.
Not sure about the date datatype, but maybe it is good enough for most
people. However, I think the situation could be improved.
Read what Tobias wrote. He gets the problem and his solution is good (new
datatype for calendar dates).


I'm not arguing with you. I'm just trying to explain you how it
> *actually* works, because you seems to not get it and try to twist the
> Date datatype in a way that can't work.
>

You are arguing with me. I know how they work and I'm trying to tell you
about the limitations of the design. Instead of listening you claim I don't
understand how they work.
Your argument against timezoneless date is that they are not usable when
sent over the internet, which is not a valid argument as explained already.


Jussi
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From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 02:41:03 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 20:41:03 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] WebPage and external files
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On 11/14/22 11:57, T Lee Davidson wrote:
> On 11/13/22 12:35, T Lee Davidson wrote:
>> On 11/13/22 11:48, Hans Lehmann wrote:
>>> unfortunately the implementation of this hint does not bring the hoped for access to the content of external files like 
>>> style.css or logo.png.
>>
>> Hmmm, that should work.
>>
>> Are you certain you are specifying the path correctly?
>>
>> If you have a style sheet in the project's Public directory (and not in a subdirectory of that directory), the link tag in the 
>> HEAD of the web page should be similar to:
>> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="<%/%>/style.css">
>>
>> I just tried it with both a style sheet and an image (in a "img" subdirectory), and it does work.
> 
> Attached is the test project I used based on the example given at:
> http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/webpage

[I apologize to the members of this list for the lack of context as the other half of this conversation has been sent to me 
off-list.]

That particular project works fine with the IDE's embedded http server. However, it does not work as expected on either Apache 
or Lighttpd web servers.

It appears that the files, linked in the WebPage using <%=Application.Root%>, are provided to the server by the Gambas 
executable (eg. the path for style.css in the project's Public directory is <Document_Root>/webapp.gambas/style.css).

This does not work on the web servers, apparently, due to what the executable is providing to the server as hinted at by this 
browser console error message:
The stylesheet http://localhost:8888/~user/webapp.gambas/style.css was not loaded because its MIME type, ?text/html?, is not 
?text/css?.

Indeed, what the server is receiving is the actual HTML of the page itself as can be seen by the attached pic.


I think it is a bug. But, I could be wrong.


-- 
Lee

P.S. Hans, the questions you ask me privately are more appropriately posed to this list. In that way, the community can benefit 
from the discussion and solution. There is no reason for you to contact me off-list. I am not your personal consultant.
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From chrisml at deganius.de  Wed Nov 16 13:14:59 2022
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2022 13:14:59 +0100
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Am 15.11.22 um 10:27 schrieb BB:

> I thought that we had all agreed that the *point in time*was a numerical
> (float) representation of the parameters converted to a UTC based
> equivalent. Or is it arbitrary?

No. It is not converted to UTC or local time in any way.

The datatype 'Date' in Gambas is a point in time, aka just a number.
It's for example 2022.11.16 13:10:00 stored as floating point.

There's no additional information at all. So there is no further
information about a timezone or whether it is UTC.

Your program must decide whether it considers it being UTC or any local
time. I think that's pretty simple and ingenious, by the way.

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

-- 
Dies ist keine Signatur


From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 14:52:15 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2022 15:52:15 +0200
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>
> No. It is not converted to UTC or local time in any way.
>
> The datatype 'Date' in Gambas is a point in time, aka just a number.
> It's for example 2022.11.16 13:10:00 stored as floating point.
>
> There's no additional information at all. So there is no further
> information about a timezone or whether it is UTC.
>
> Your program must decide whether it considers it being UTC or any local
> time. I think that's pretty simple and ingenious, by the way.
>

That is not true.
The float value corresponds to the date in UTC. If you do not believe me,
then test it. Give local date (in area of UTC+X, where X<>0) and you will
see that the date without localization is printed as the date-X.

Jussi
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 15:06:42 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2022 16:06:42 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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"Internally, the date is stored in UTC."
- Beno?t Minisini Sun, Oct 27, 2019, 8:26 PM

Jussi


On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 3:52 PM Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>
wrote:

> No. It is not converted to UTC or local time in any way.
>>
>> The datatype 'Date' in Gambas is a point in time, aka just a number.
>> It's for example 2022.11.16 13:10:00 stored as floating point.
>>
>> There's no additional information at all. So there is no further
>> information about a timezone or whether it is UTC.
>>
>> Your program must decide whether it considers it being UTC or any local
>> time. I think that's pretty simple and ingenious, by the way.
>>
>
> That is not true.
> The float value corresponds to the date in UTC. If you do not believe me,
> then test it. Give local date (in area of UTC+X, where X<>0) and you will
> see that the date without localization is printed as the date-X.
>
> Jussi
>
>
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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Wed Nov 16 20:27:56 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2022 20:27:56 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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Le 16/11/2022 ? 15:06, Jussi Lahtinen a ?crit?:
> 
>       "Internally, the date is stored in UTC."
> 
> 
>       - Beno?t Minisini Sun, Oct 27, 2019, 8:26 PM
> 
> 

It's actually not really true, it's a simplification.

To be exact, a Date instant is stored as a duration between the instant 
and another pre-defined instant in the past.

That duration is stored as a number of days (all supposed to be equal to 
86,400 seconds, which is an approximation), and a number of microseconds.

The pre-defined instant is a specific day in the past (see it as as a 
number of days backwards from the first day of the Gregorian calendar), 
and at midnight, in UTC.

This is why I summarized that by "the date is stored in UTC.".

But that pre-defined instant could have been anything else.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 22:44:58 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2022 23:44:58 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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>
> This is why I summarized that by "the date is stored in UTC.".
>

Yes, and others are criticized for using the same shorthand.
Everyone knows it is actually a numerical value. We get that. Doesn't
change a thing I have said.


But that pre-defined instant could have been anything else.
>

Yes, could have been, but it is *not* something else. And if aunt had
balls, then they would be uncle. However, I think we should focus on how
things actually are.
IE date is numerical value corresponding to UTC. And the majority of the
relevant functions use localization as well as your system clock, which
makes this not so handy.

Are we finally at the same page?


Jussi
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Le 16/11/2022 ? 22:44, Jussi Lahtinen a ?crit?:
>     This is why I summarized that by "the date is stored in UTC.".
> 
> 
> Yes, and others are criticized for using the same shorthand.
> Everyone knows it is actually a numerical value. We get that. Doesn't 
> change a thing I have said.
> 
>     But that pre-defined instant could have been anything else.
> 
> 
> Yes, could have been, but it is *not* something else. And if aunt had 
> balls, then they would be uncle. However, I think we should focus on how 
> things actually are.
> IE date is numerical value corresponding to UTC. And the majority of the 
> relevant functions use localization as well as your system clock, which 
> makes this not so handy.
> 
> Are we finally at the same page?
> 
> 
> Jussi
> 

If you want, I can store the date with a random origin in the day that 
changes at each program startup.

It will change nothing.

Everything will continue to work exactly the same way.

And then I will be able to remove the sentence "the date is stored in 
UTC" from the wiki.

Got it?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 22:58:29 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2022 23:58:29 +0200
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>
> If you want, I can store the date with a random origin in the day that
> changes at each program startup.
>
> It will change nothing.
>
> Everything will continue to work exactly the same way.
>
> And then I will be able to remove the sentence "the date is stored in
> UTC" from the wiki.
>
> Got it?
>

And how would that work with the timestamps sent over the Internet?


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From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2022 23:02:39 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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Le 16/11/2022 ? 22:58, Jussi Lahtinen a ?crit?:
>     If you want, I can store the date with a random origin in the day that
>     changes at each program startup.
> 
>     It will change nothing.
> 
>     Everything will continue to work exactly the same way.
> 
>     And then I will be able to remove the sentence "the date is stored in
>     UTC" from the wiki.
> 
>     Got it?
> 
> 
> And how would that work with the timestamps sent over the Internet?
> 
> 
> Jussi
> 

The internal representation of any datatype is never sent over the Internet.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 23:04:35 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 00:04:35 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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> The internal representation of any datatype is never sent over the
> Internet.
>




*"A timestamp, which the Gambas 'Date' datatype is, must represent the same
physical moment, whereever the program using it runs, so that it can be
freely moved over the Internet."*

 - Beno?t Minisini.

Your words, not mine.


Jussi
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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Wed Nov 16 23:23:34 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2022 23:23:34 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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Le 16/11/2022 ? 23:04, Jussi Lahtinen a ?crit?:
> 
>     The internal representation of any datatype is never sent over the
>     Internet.
> 
> 
> /"A timestamp, which the Gambas 'Date' datatype is, must represent the
> same physical moment, whereever the program using it runs, so that it
> can be freely moved over the Internet."
> /
> 
>  ?- Beno?t Minisini.
> 
> Your words, not mine.
> 
> 
> Jussi
> 

Yes, but now, if the origin changes at each run, the Gambas 'Date' 
datatype is not an universal timestamp anymore.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 23:25:28 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 00:25:28 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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>
> Yes, but now, if the origin changes at each run, the Gambas 'Date'
> datatype is not an universal timestamp anymore.
>

Yeah, no shit. You made that idea and claimed it doesn't change anything.
Are you drunk?


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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 23:40:38 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 09:10:38 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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Personally, I don't care if it is stored internally as the number of 
beans in two small pots in a grass hut on the Plains of Zebulon on a 
planet somewhere near Betelgeuse.

On 947265.277254, Jussi Lahtinen and others wrote:
> A lot of stuff that is generally getting us nowhere.

My only issue is that when the keeper of the grass hut tells me the 
datetime he demands to know the current timezone on my laptop and does 
some magic incantations that changes his response accordingly. What he 
doesn't do is figure out what the current**time *frame* of the program I 
am running at the exact moment I ask. For example, I am currently in a 
timezone (if being "in" a timezone is possible) of ACDT (otherwise 
"Adelaide summer time") and a time*frame* of "Australia/Adelaide". See 
the difference.

Getting back to lunch, if there are 2492170 and 8333333 beans in the 
pots respectively, then he should work out that 2492170/0833333 is not a 
"summer time" in "Australia/Adelaide" and respond "oh that is 12:30 on 
the 1st May, 2023 *ACST*". It's why many other programs eschew returning 
the timeframe in formatted displays of "moments".

I have found a promising R library that might have routines suitable for 
converting timeframes to timezones for a "moment", but I haven't been 
able to obtain the source code at the moment.

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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Thu Nov 17 02:13:59 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 02:13:59 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Syntax of dates represented in a string
Message-ID: <35ac952d-7c9a-f460-cdaa-717825f2155b@gambas-basic.org>

Hi,

To fix the difficulties encountered by Claus and others, I added in the 
last commit the ability to explicitly specify the timezone in a date 
inside a string.

For example (in english format):

"11/17/2022 01:41 UTC+1"

It should help those that don't get the difference between functions 
that use UTC implicitly, and functions that use local timezone implicitly.

With that, in French localization (UTC+1), you will have:

Print CDate("11/17/2022 01:41")
17/11/2022 02:41

Print Val("17/11/2022 01:41")
17/11/2022 01:41

Print CDate("11/17/2022 01:41 UTC")
17/11/2022 02:41

Print Val("17/11/2022 01:41 UTC")
17/11/2022 02:41

Print CDate("11/17/2022 01:41 UTC+1")
17/11/2022 01:41

Print Val("17/11/2022 01:41 UTC+1")
17/11/2022 01:41

To understand the printed result, remember that 'Print' internally uses 
'Str()', that converts the date to a string using the current 
localization and the local timezone.

Note that you can use "GMT" instead of "UTC", and there is still no 
function to format a date at a specific timezone other than the local one.

The other problem raised by Bruce (BB <adamnt42 at gmail.com>) is another 
beast: in a few words, how to know which timezone must be used at a 
specific date.

The data exists, but apparently the C library does not have any API for 
that.

Moreover, the problem can be circular: to define the specific date, you 
may need the timezone you are looking for.

So I don't think there is a solution for that at the moment.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.

From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 17 07:59:39 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 17:29:39 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Syntax of dates represented in a string
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On 17/11/22 11:43 am, Benoit Minisini wrote:
> The other problem raised by Bruce (BB <adamnt42 at gmail.com>) is another 
> beast: in a few words, how to know which timezone must be used at a 
> specific date.
>
> The data exists, but apparently the C library does not have any API 
> for that.
>
> Moreover, the problem can be circular: to define the specific date, 
> you may need the timezone you are looking for.
>
> So I don't think there is a solution for that at the moment. 


I now believe that you are fully correct. Although the libc "tm" struct 
contains "tm_isdst" which supposedly can indicate whether a date/time is 
or is not in dst, it is never set as specified in all the documentation. 
All the libraries I have looked at so far depend on this struct. All 
that is ever returned in this integer is the same value that went in on 
the call. There is a plethora of complaints about this across the 
internet with no satisfactory reply. So much for linux! (or was it that 
Kernighan et al had never heard of daylight savings?)

Bah!

b


From chrisml at deganius.de  Thu Nov 17 09:43:38 2022
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 09:43:38 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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Am 16.11.22 um 23:25 schrieb Jussi Lahtinen:

> Yeah, no shit. You made that idea and claimed it doesn't change anything.
> Are you drunk?

Can you please remain friendly? That's not the kind of behavior we need 
here.

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

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From claus.dietrich at freenet.de  Thu Nov 17 13:54:21 2022
From: claus.dietrich at freenet.de (Claus Dietrich)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 13:54:21 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
Message-ID: <e2c4cbff-0db1-a222-e2f5-ab312d45c2a0@freenet.de>

On Thu Nov 17 09:43:38 Christof Thalhofer wrote:

>Can you please remain friendly? That's not the kind of behavior we need 
>here.

Thanks Christof.
The subject was raised by me and you may have noticed, that I
stepped out of this thread. Although the actual subject is
rather trivial, people are are easily carried away and come
up with arguments, which are barely related to the actual
subject. While this may be regarded as rather normal for
forums it is much more frustrating to see, that people
are occasionally offended - often for shallow reasons or
because of an obvious misunderstanding.
So far I didn't catch up any reason to change my position
with regard to the usability of the CDate function but I
decided to live with it instead of further stomach ache.

Best regards
Claus






     


From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Thu Nov 17 14:44:12 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 14:44:12 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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Le 17/11/2022 ? 13:54, Claus Dietrich a ?crit?:
> So far I didn't catch up any reason to change my position
> with regard to the usability of the CDate function but I
> decided to live with it instead of further stomach ache.
> 
> Best regards
> Claus
> 

Actually you should never use the CDate() function. Because it only and 
arbitrarily interprets strings as UTC dates in the american format.

The only case I would see it useful is when storing and retrieving UTC 
dates from configuration files.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Thu Nov 17 14:47:24 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 14:47:24 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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Le 17/11/2022 ? 14:44, Benoit Minisini a ?crit?:
> Le 17/11/2022 ? 13:54, Claus Dietrich a ?crit?:
>> So far I didn't catch up any reason to change my position
>> with regard to the usability of the CDate function but I
>> decided to live with it instead of further stomach ache.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Claus
>>
> 
> Actually you should never use the CDate() function. Because it only and 
> arbitrarily interprets strings as UTC dates in the american format.
> 
> The only case I would see it useful is when storing and retrieving UTC 
> dates from configuration files.
> 
> Regards,
> 

By the way, does the last commit help you with dealing with CDate()?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Thu Nov 17 17:13:14 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 18:13:14 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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>
> Can you please remain friendly? That's not the kind of behavior we need
> here.
>

Oh, like Benoit? It was an honest question for a man who argue against his
own arguments.
It just seems to be all wrong when *I* say the same things. Re-read the
thread.


Jussi


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From gambas at cd-bahia.com  Thu Nov 17 19:25:41 2022
From: gambas at cd-bahia.com (Dag JNJ)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 19:25:41 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Problem with String[]
Message-ID: <b42c1ac3-5a20-6050-e594-a5cdc346e5dc@cd-bahia.com>

Hi all,
I have defined this:

P/ublic arorder As New String[]//
//Public arorderb As New String[]//
/
and make this in a subroutine:

/??? arorder.Add(fld)//
//??? arorderb.Add(ada)

///
/fld/ contains a field name, /ada/ = "ASC"

the first assignment with /aroder/ succeeds, the second with /arorderb/ 
makes an error : null object
I can't see any difference between these objects, and they are only 
changed in? this routine (so far).
I am thankful for any help, allt he best, Dag JNJ
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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Thu Nov 17 21:42:25 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 21:42:25 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Little bug in Format$
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR12MB3946E7DB2203507C474C5B88C83E9@DM6PR12MB3946.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
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Le 09/11/2022 ? 16:57, martin p cristia a ?crit?:
> Format(123456789,"0.000000E+000") = "1,234568E+008" wich is correct, but
> 
> Format(0.000123,"0.000000E+000") = "1,230000E0-4" wich leads to bad 
> re-conversion with CSingle()
> 
> it shoud be "1,230000E-004"
> 

It should be fixed by commit 
https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/-/commit/5621991e1f3b805e17da97a572f5c9bbe03dbed3.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From chrisml at deganius.de  Thu Nov 17 21:54:42 2022
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 21:54:42 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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Am 17.11.22 um 17:13 schrieb Jussi Lahtinen:

> Re-read the thread.

No. It was enough to read your mail and I am not the kindergarten 
teacher here.

:-)

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Thu Nov 17 22:02:35 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 23:02:35 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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>
> No. It was enough to read your mail and I am not the kindergarten
> teacher here.
>

Sure? You sound like one.

Jussi
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From chrisml at deganius.de  Thu Nov 17 22:33:36 2022
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 22:33:36 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
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Am 17.11.22 um 22:02 schrieb Jussi Lahtinen:

>> No. It was enough to read your mail and I am not the kindergarten
>> teacher here.
> 
> Sure? You sound like one.

Oh! ... Yes, my little one ... and be nice to the others now, dear 
little Jussi, or I'll tell your mom.

;-)

Alles Gute

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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Fri Nov 18 01:38:58 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 01:38:58 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Two bugs on gb.web.gui
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Le 14/11/2022 ? 11:41, Marco Ancillotti a ?crit?:
> HI all ,
> 
> I think I found two bug on gb.web.gui .
> 
> FIRST:
> I've create a simple web page with a webtabpanel and a webcombobox 
> linked by code:
> 
> /Public Sub cbox_Click()//
> //? tab.index = cbox.Index//
> //End/
> 
> So when combobox change tabpanel change as well.
> Now on webform_open I have a /
> /
> 
> /tab.index = 2
> cbox.index = 2/
> 
> And everythink work as expected...
> BUT if I put before the index change a simple webtextbox.text = 
> "somethink" ti completely hangs.
> 
> 
> SECOND:
> 
> if I call the same webform from another as form.showmodal() the tabbox 
> don't refresh the tab selected if I change it
> on form opening.
> 
> 
> I attach an example of bugs.
> 
> gambas is latest daily trunk from ubuntu ppa.
> 
> Thank's in advance ,
> marco.
> 

Hi,

The two bugs should have been fixed by commit 
https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/-/commit/d8831c7bbc49f1a914e19752d9dcf9afb6a88c79.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 02:38:10 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 12:08:10 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] IDE suggestion/request
Message-ID: <5f2b7267-9978-6d1f-a9ae-5958522458e4@gmail.com>

Would you mind adding the following generic editors to the list that the 
IDE checks whether they are installed.

  * Geany
  * CodeBlocks (I know at least one other mailing list user uses it)

and perhaps

  * Tea

regards

bruce

(perhaps it's time to move towards one of those "Default Applications" 
popup configurators type of thing?)

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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 02:48:07 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 12:18:07 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] EDITOR environment variable
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I know this is old, but as far as I know it doesn't appear if the 
project isn't version controlled.

b

On 30/10/22 2:29 am, gian via User wrote:
> Il 29/10/22 14:16, Benoit Minisini ha scritto:
>> Le 28/10/2022 ? 23:17, gian via User a ?crit?:
>>> Il 28/10/22 15:28, Benoit Minisini ha scritto:
>>>> The $EDITOR environment variable is used only when the IDE run 
>>>> specific git / svn commands that requires it.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe I should find a way to workaround this requirement...
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Beno?t Minisini.
>>>
>>> Hi Benoit,
>>>
>>> OK, stable Gambas (compiled on Mint 21) no longer asks to set an 
>>> environment variable, no more problems, everything works fine.
>>>
>>> Although I didn't understand how you did it.... Thank you very much
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Gianluigi
>>>
>>
>> I did nothing yet.
>>
>
> Hi Benoit,
>
> I don't know what to say, I installed both Mint 21 and Ubuntu 22.10 on 
> VBox, installed both stable and master and nothing happened.
>
> No request for $EDITOR.
>
> Yet on both systems the required editors are not installed and the 
> environment variable :-\
>
> Regards
>
> Gianluigi
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 09:50:22 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 19:20:22 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Starting a new process - but not as a child
Message-ID: <41cf5678-b0ca-b569-0450-218f9b2af6be@gmail.com>

This one has got me beat.

In a non-gui project: (let's call it the "megaparser")

 ??? I'm processing a large bunch of text files, during which a status 
is decided on each ones fundamental validity.

 ??? If it looks OK then I want to start a new program/project (the 
"fileparser") that has a GUI that I want to, *at MY leisure*, look at 
how it is going and what to do about it.

 ??? So far so fine, the megaparser shells the fileparser quite nicely 
without a wait, so I get what I expected - a gazillion forms each 
displaying the progress and any problems it's having. Fine.

So, here's my problem...

When the megaparser has finished it wants to exit, but there are all 
these child processes running and I want them to keep going.

?

I'll try again. I have about 30,000 text (actually ahem "xml") files 
that I need to firstly check that each one looks "reasonable" and if so 
start a processing job for that file. No, thats still not clear. The 
megaparser looks at each of the files and determines if it is valid xml 
if so then it starts a new process to parse that file and update the 
database. That new job needs to be *async**hronous* as the megaparser 
continues on and creates more and more parser jobs, no problem yet. 
*BUT* if the meagaparser fails and crashes as it is frequently doing 
(which is not a Gambas issue, it's normally a result of the rotten XML 
file being totally or partially unreadable) the megaparser crashes and I 
lose all the spawned jobs.

I have been going through this repetitive joke for 8 days now so I am 
screaming for help.

*Is there any way to spawn a new process that is **_not_**a child of the 
running gambas process?*

Going slightly bonkers here

bruxe, or brice or wahayetever my name is.

b

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From gambas at servinfo.it  Fri Nov 18 10:38:00 2022
From: gambas at servinfo.it (Marco Ancillotti)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 10:38:00 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Two bugs on gb.web.gui
In-Reply-To: <be47a031-5e65-97cb-26aa-28549d4dcdd7@gambas-basic.org>
References: <66d832fc-be60-e28d-6e72-df0c8f300685@servinfo.it>
 <be47a031-5e65-97cb-26aa-28549d4dcdd7@gambas-basic.org>
Message-ID: <526d462a-b35f-34e9-a976-e29bb1f71ce5@servinfo.it>

Il 18/11/22 01:38, Benoit Minisini ha scritto:
> Hi,
>
> The two bugs should have been fixed by commit 
> https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/-/commit/d8831c7bbc49f1a914e19752d9dcf9afb6a88c79.
>

---> TOP !! <---


Thank's a lot,
marco.


From bagoneo at libero.it  Fri Nov 18 11:34:34 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 11:34:34 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Starting a new process - but not as a child
In-Reply-To: <41cf5678-b0ca-b569-0450-218f9b2af6be@gmail.com>
References: <41cf5678-b0ca-b569-0450-218f9b2af6be@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <802b9d07-8f10-7e87-0816-5eab50f81a44@libero.it>

Il 18/11/22 09:50, BB ha scritto:
> *Is there any way to spawn a new process that is **_not_**a child of the 
> running gambas process?*
> 


I don't know if it is feasible.
If I were to do it myself (to puttanesca :-)), I would do a 
pre-megaparser to skim text files to send to three folders (Rotten, 
Sick, Healthy) and then run the megaparser for the Healthy folder and 
then the parsers.

Regards

Gianluigi

From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 11:52:46 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 21:22:46 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Starting a new process - but not as a child
In-Reply-To: <802b9d07-8f10-7e87-0816-5eab50f81a44@libero.it>
References: <41cf5678-b0ca-b569-0450-218f9b2af6be@gmail.com>
 <802b9d07-8f10-7e87-0816-5eab50f81a44@libero.it>
Message-ID: <dc7a3e77-a5f2-8639-a0c1-5e36bd890987@gmail.com>


On 18/11/22 9:04 pm, gian via User wrote:
> Il 18/11/22 09:50, BB ha scritto:
>> *Is there any way to spawn a new process that is **_not_**a child of 
>> the running gambas process?*
>>
>
>
> I don't know if it is feasible.
> If I were to do it myself (to puttanesca :-)), I would do a 
> pre-megaparser to skim text files to send to three folders (Rotten, 
> Sick, Healthy) and then run the megaparser for the Healthy folder and 
> then the parsers.
>
> Regards
>
> Gianluigi
>
You are probably right, I was trying to avoid this (for reasons of 
non-disclosure agreements, I was trying to avoid that).

But you may have given me another idea. If the megaparser thinks the 
file is a puttanesca (yes, I know what it means) then I'll just send it 
back to them with a "Garbage In - Garbage Out" message. Let's see how 
that like that!

thanks for the input

b

p.s. The remainder of this post is in Australian and describes what I 
think of W*n*o*s programmers.

&&*&%^$## %^$%% ^ ^%$%%%$$#34$#$@#! (*&*& ^%%? %%$%$$###%!!!



From dag at cd-bahia.com  Fri Nov 18 12:19:44 2022
From: dag at cd-bahia.com (Dag JNJ)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 12:19:44 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Only a mail test
Message-ID: <05ba6dc9-c9f6-a4ec-9168-5a859975f560@cd-bahia.com>

Hi,
I have some problems with the subscription, either my mails to the list 
doesn't occur or I can't answer to the list.

Please ignore!
Dag

From gambas at cd-bahia.com  Fri Nov 18 12:31:35 2022
From: gambas at cd-bahia.com (Dag JNJ)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 12:31:35 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Just a mail test
Message-ID: <8c78e9b7-f5eb-8d84-5394-3baf31032f73@cd-bahia.com>

Please ignore
Dag JNJ

From gambas at cd-bahia.com  Fri Nov 18 12:38:46 2022
From: gambas at cd-bahia.com (Dag JNJ)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 12:38:46 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Just a mail test
In-Reply-To: <8c78e9b7-f5eb-8d84-5394-3baf31032f73@cd-bahia.com>
References: <8c78e9b7-f5eb-8d84-5394-3baf31032f73@cd-bahia.com>
Message-ID: <0d0bca2c-9879-3b55-da71-e685be83f54d@cd-bahia.com>

Now it works.
But my name doesn't occur like all the others,...
only user at lists.gambas-basic.org
Although I am registered

Am 18/11/22 um 12:31 schrieb Dag JNJ:
> Please ignore
> Dag JNJ
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>


From karl.reinl at fen-net.de  Fri Nov 18 12:39:06 2022
From: karl.reinl at fen-net.de (Karl Reinl)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 12:39:06 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Starting a new process - but not as a child
In-Reply-To: <dc7a3e77-a5f2-8639-a0c1-5e36bd890987@gmail.com>
References: <41cf5678-b0ca-b569-0450-218f9b2af6be@gmail.com>
 <802b9d07-8f10-7e87-0816-5eab50f81a44@libero.it>
 <dc7a3e77-a5f2-8639-a0c1-5e36bd890987@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <05678e30d898a19f5619d9f39891846827e17471.camel@fen-net.de>

Am Freitag, dem 18.11.2022 um 21:22 +1030 schrieb BB:
> But you may have given me another idea. If the megaparser thinks the 
> 
> file is a puttanesca (yes, I know what it means) then I'll just send
> it 
> 
> back to them with a "Garbage In - Garbage Out" message. Let's see
> how 
> 
> that like that!

Salut,

look with your browser  'linux check if a xml is valid' , 
choose one of the found way to make the triage.
Copy all xml to a start folder and let the engine make the Cinderella
job.  
-- 
Amicalement
Charlie


From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 12:58:55 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 22:28:55 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Starting a new process - but not as a child
In-Reply-To: <05678e30d898a19f5619d9f39891846827e17471.camel@fen-net.de>
References: <41cf5678-b0ca-b569-0450-218f9b2af6be@gmail.com>
 <802b9d07-8f10-7e87-0816-5eab50f81a44@libero.it>
 <dc7a3e77-a5f2-8639-a0c1-5e36bd890987@gmail.com>
 <05678e30d898a19f5619d9f39891846827e17471.camel@fen-net.de>
Message-ID: <45229497-6f43-0c51-f2c2-c5dd5f26f002@gmail.com>


On 18/11/22 10:09 pm, Karl Reinl wrote
> Salut,
>
> look with your browser  'linux check if a xml is valid' ,
> choose one of the found way to make the triage.
> Copy all xml to a start folder and let the engine make the Cinderella
> job.

Salute Charlie!

Basically that's what I m doing (with a few tweaks). Thanks to Gian I am 
now sending the garbage back to them.

Damn the magic, let them sort this ordure out.

I should have quoted about $2M USD per hour for this job, but my rotten 
lousy friend (now degraded to "acquaintance") fooled me into it.

b


From chrisml at deganius.de  Fri Nov 18 13:09:23 2022
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 13:09:23 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Just a mail test
In-Reply-To: <0d0bca2c-9879-3b55-da71-e685be83f54d@cd-bahia.com>
References: <8c78e9b7-f5eb-8d84-5394-3baf31032f73@cd-bahia.com>
 <0d0bca2c-9879-3b55-da71-e685be83f54d@cd-bahia.com>
Message-ID: <f2bf3ab7-51d7-8669-33c3-6ef4bf444df5@deganius.de>

Am 18.11.22 um 12:38 schrieb Dag JNJ:

> Now it works.
> But my name doesn't occur like all the others,...
> only user at lists.gambas-basic.org

That's a problem of Thunderbird/102.4.2. Your name can be seen properly.

I also can't see my name. Someone should write a bugreport for the TB 
developers.

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

-- 
Dies ist keine Signatur

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From gambas at cd-bahia.com  Fri Nov 18 13:14:09 2022
From: gambas at cd-bahia.com (Dag JNJ)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 13:14:09 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Just a mail test
In-Reply-To: <f2bf3ab7-51d7-8669-33c3-6ef4bf444df5@deganius.de>
References: <8c78e9b7-f5eb-8d84-5394-3baf31032f73@cd-bahia.com>
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Message-ID: <94c11944-525b-45ba-833b-f20fd3123925@cd-bahia.com>


Am 18/11/22 um 13:09 schrieb Christof Thalhofer:
> Am 18.11.22 um 12:38 schrieb Dag JNJ:
>
>> Now it works.
>> But my name doesn't occur like all the others,...
>> only user at lists.gambas-basic.org
>
> That's a problem of Thunderbird/102.4.2. Your name can be seen properly.
>
> I also can't see my name. Someone should write a bugreport for the TB 
> developers.
>
> Alles Gute
>
> Christof Thalhofer
>
> Ach danke sehr, auch alles Gute
Dag
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----


From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 13:18:59 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 22:48:59 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
Message-ID: <ec432593-2f50-0d17-4c12-ed8d309f9b97@gmail.com>

In the "old days" when I and you all wrote COBOL

there was a way to specify a thingo called, i think, a report line. It 
looked something like

88 something or other

Mneh, it doesnt matter.? the point is . I? am getting there ...

Print, sprintf etc etc etc are really (he said) remnants of the 1970's 
or perhaps even earlier. Now, I want to disregard the eminently 
beautiful gb.report components here BUT

surely in this day and age it is possible to come up with "something"? 
that would allow use to "Print" a set of stuff to stdout (or wherever).

Maybe this damn project IS sending me insane(r).


anyone

anyone, surely you have used COBOL?\


b



From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 14:00:03 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 23:30:03 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Starting a new process - but not as a child
In-Reply-To: <802b9d07-8f10-7e87-0816-5eab50f81a44@libero.it>
References: <41cf5678-b0ca-b569-0450-218f9b2af6be@gmail.com>
 <802b9d07-8f10-7e87-0816-5eab50f81a44@libero.it>
Message-ID: <98297c11-99ac-7e66-b4d4-0bdaa9940e32@gmail.com>


On 18/11/22 9:04 pm, gian via User wrote:
> Il 18/11/22 09:50, BB ha scritto:
>> *Is there any way to spawn a new process that is **_not_**a child of 
>> the running gambas process?*
>>
>
>
> I don't know if it is feasible.
> If I were to do it myself (to puttanesca :-)), I would do a 
> pre-megaparser to skim text files to send to three folders (Rotten, 
> Sick, Healthy) and then run the megaparser for the Healthy folder and 
> then the parsers.
>
> Regards
>
> Gianluigi
>
Gian, you are a genius! I have just sent 17,324 emails back to them.

If I can stop giggling I may just be able to sneak into the bed beside 
"whatshername" and coax her over to the cold side!

By the way I hope it might amuse that the subjects of the emails were all "

Il tuo pollo ? in fiamme e la signora ? in fondo alla strada a far 
visita alla sua "amica"?,?

hee hee


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From bagoneo at libero.it  Fri Nov 18 15:20:36 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 15:20:36 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Starting a new process - but not as a child
In-Reply-To: <98297c11-99ac-7e66-b4d4-0bdaa9940e32@gmail.com>
References: <41cf5678-b0ca-b569-0450-218f9b2af6be@gmail.com>
 <802b9d07-8f10-7e87-0816-5eab50f81a44@libero.it>
 <98297c11-99ac-7e66-b4d4-0bdaa9940e32@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e3ef5588-1d1c-d736-0ce1-1c3c3f5125c0@libero.it>

Il 18/11/22 14:00, BB ha scritto:
> 
> On 18/11/22 9:04 pm, gian via User wrote:
>> Il 18/11/22 09:50, BB ha scritto:
>>> *Is there any way to spawn a new process that is **_not_**a child of 
>>> the running gambas process?*
>>>
>>
>>
>> I don't know if it is feasible.
>> If I were to do it myself (to puttanesca :-)), I would do a 
>> pre-megaparser to skim text files to send to three folders (Rotten, 
>> Sick, Healthy) and then run the megaparser for the Healthy folder and 
>> then the parsers.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Gianluigi
>>
> Gian, you are a genius! I have just sent 17,324 emails back to them.
> 
> If I can stop giggling I may just be able to sneak into the bed beside 
> "whatshername" and coax her over to the cold side!
> 
> By the way I hope it might amuse that the subjects of the emails were all "
> 
> Il tuo pollo ? in fiamme e la signora ? in fondo alla strada a far 
> visita alla sua "amica"?,?
> 
> hee hee


LOL

But if she's gone away how do you get her on the cold side of the bed?
Anyway check in the kitchen first, maybe she's back :-D

I may be "something" but I'm definitely not a genius

Ciao

Gianluigi


From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 17:51:04 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 11:51:04 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] Problem with String[]
In-Reply-To: <b42c1ac3-5a20-6050-e594-a5cdc346e5dc@cd-bahia.com>
References: <b42c1ac3-5a20-6050-e594-a5cdc346e5dc@cd-bahia.com>
Message-ID: <448a28a7-435e-7618-7afd-a12f368e7e08@gmail.com>

On 11/17/22 13:25, Dag JNJ wrote:
> Hi all,
> I have defined this:
> 
> P/ublic arorder As New String[]//
> //Public arorderb As New String[]//
> /
> and make this in a subroutine:
> 
> /??? arorder.Add(fld)//
> //??? arorderb.Add(ada)
> 
> ///
> /fld/ contains a field name, /ada/ = "ASC"
> 
> the first assignment with /aroder/ succeeds, the second with /arorderb/ makes an error : null object
> I can't see any difference between these objects, and they are only changed in? this routine (so far).
> I am thankful for any help, allt he best, Dag JNJ

It is quite difficult to determine what may be causing that without seeing the full code. Perhaps somewhere 'arorderb' is 
getting nullified. Can you pare it down to a small project, that reproduces the issue, that you can share?


-- 
Lee


From claus.dietrich at freenet.de  Fri Nov 18 17:57:12 2022
From: claus.dietrich at freenet.de (Claus Dietrich)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 17:57:12 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
Message-ID: <c970f8b2-1808-d897-2883-a9b124bda1fb@freenet.de>

First upon all I have to apologize that I always open a new thread

with my posts. This will be the last one with this problem.

On /Thu Nov 17 14:47:24 CET 2022 Benoit wrote:/

>By the way, does the last commit help you with dealing with CDate()?

Sorry, I had to wait until today for an up-to-date ppa-master.
Thanks for your efforts, but your modification seems to relate to
posts from others and I don't understand the approach:

1. To me, the manual entrance of a static UTC offset makes things
worse because the daylight saving is changing over the year. Hence
this syntax will provide inconsistent results over the year, also
within the own time zone.

2. To obtain a correct UTC+n parameter for a different time
zone and a different date/ time is practically feasible. I have
developed such a heavy weight routine based on tzdata but I
am assuming that nobody would use it in conjunction with the
CDate function.

I was just looking for a small modification where the resulting
Date (as datatype ) is not shifted by the current time zone offset
of the platform.

For a moment I thought about an optional boolean CDate parameter,
which tells the function, not to shift to UTC. This would maintain
compatibility, but rather looks like patch work, i.e.:

Print  CDate("11/18/2022 15:00:00")        --> 18.11.2022 16:00:00
Print  CDate("11/18/2022 15:00:00", False) --> 18.11.2022 15:00:00

On Thu Nov 17 14:44:12 CET 2022 Benoit wrote:
>Actually you should never use the CDate() function. Because it only and 
>arbitrarily interprets strings as UTC dates in the american format.

I fully agree and that's the reason for my posts.

Best regards
Claus


  
  









From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 18:04:55 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 12:04:55 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
In-Reply-To: <ec432593-2f50-0d17-4c12-ed8d309f9b97@gmail.com>
References: <ec432593-2f50-0d17-4c12-ed8d309f9b97@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <184b9bc9-c566-1af2-9981-481244ce176d@gmail.com>

On 11/18/22 07:18, BB wrote:
> Print, sprintf etc etc etc are really (he said) remnants of the 1970's or perhaps even earlier. Now, I want to disregard the 
> eminently beautiful?gb.report?components?here?BUT
> 
> surely in this day and age it is possible to come up with "something" 
> that?would?allow?use?to?"Print"?a?set?of?stuff?to?stdout?(or?wherever).
> 

Are OUTPUT TO and File.Out insufficient for your needs?
http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/lang/outputto
http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp/gb/file/out

Maybe I misunderstood, again.


> anyone,?surely?you?have?used?COBOL?\

Nope. RPG.


-- 
Lee


From bagoneo at libero.it  Fri Nov 18 18:05:11 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 18:05:11 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Problem with String[]
In-Reply-To: <448a28a7-435e-7618-7afd-a12f368e7e08@gmail.com>
References: <b42c1ac3-5a20-6050-e594-a5cdc346e5dc@cd-bahia.com>
 <448a28a7-435e-7618-7afd-a12f368e7e08@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <019de831-2781-38ae-da6d-9b9ed3d53df4@libero.it>

Il 18/11/22 17:51, T Lee Davidson ha scritto:
> On 11/17/22 13:25, Dag JNJ wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I have defined this:
>>
>> P/ublic arorder As New String[]//
>> //Public arorderb As New String[]//
>> /
>> and make this in a subroutine:
>>
>> /??? arorder.Add(fld)//
>> //??? arorderb.Add(ada)
>>
>> ///
>> /fld/ contains a field name, /ada/ = "ASC"
>>
>> the first assignment with /aroder/ succeeds, the second with 
>> /arorderb/ makes an error : null object
>> I can't see any difference between these objects, and they are only 
>> changed in? this routine (so far).
>> I am thankful for any help, allt he best, Dag JNJ
> 
> It is quite difficult to determine what may be causing that without 
> seeing the full code. Perhaps somewhere 'arorderb' is getting nullified. 
> Can you pare it down to a small project, that reproduces the issue, that 
> you can share?
> 
> 

Hi Dag,

this code here works fine:
'-----------------
Public arorder As New String[]
Public arorderb As New String[]

Public Sub Main()

   Dim fld As String = "Asc"
   Dim ada As String = "FOO"

   arorder.Add(fld)
   arorderb.Add(ada)
   Print arorder[0];; arorderb[0]

End
'------------------
Regards

Gianluigi

From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 18:38:33 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 12:38:33 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] Starting a new process - but not as a child
In-Reply-To: <dc7a3e77-a5f2-8639-a0c1-5e36bd890987@gmail.com>
References: <41cf5678-b0ca-b569-0450-218f9b2af6be@gmail.com>
 <802b9d07-8f10-7e87-0816-5eab50f81a44@libero.it>
 <dc7a3e77-a5f2-8639-a0c1-5e36bd890987@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <69647b1b-457c-3dd4-56b7-f82ab3692414@gmail.com>

On 11/18/22 05:52, BB wrote:
> On?18/11/22?9:04?pm,?gian?via?User?wrote:
>> Il?18/11/22?09:50,?BB?ha?scritto:
>>> *Is there any way to spawn a new process that is **_not_**a child of the?running?gambas?process?*
>>>
>>
>>
>> I?don't?know?if?it?is?feasible.
>> If I were to do it myself (to puttanesca :-)), I would do a pre-megaparser to skim text files to send to three folders 
>> (Rotten, Sick, Healthy) and then run the megaparser for the Healthy folder and then?the?parsers.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Gianluigi
>>
> You are probably right, I was trying to avoid this (for reasons of non-disclosure?agreements,?I?was?trying?to?avoid?that).

Yes, that is a good idea and along the lines of what I was thinking.

I see, from the rest of the discussion, that you have at least alleviated the problem. But, allow me to shoot one more idea at you.

If it were me, I think I would put the 'good' files in a spool folder, and then have a separate spool consumer that spins up the 
processing with the GUI monitoring, pulling the files out based on timestamp. If storing the files locally may subject them to 
disclosure, perhaps setting the permissions on the spool directory to 600 for specific user(s) might suffice to prevent it.


-- 
Lee


From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 19:43:09 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 20:43:09 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate Documentation
In-Reply-To: <c970f8b2-1808-d897-2883-a9b124bda1fb@freenet.de>
References: <c970f8b2-1808-d897-2883-a9b124bda1fb@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <CAFJMe7TgRjF6SfJsNYW01HbPU8c_6femZEXLdrv5DkS3tpN1fw@mail.gmail.com>

If you look at how calendar time works example in GNU C library, you will
see that timezone is always parameter or conversions are only manual.
Benoit has rejected this approach for Gambas because he doesn't (want to?)
understand the problem. There is no good and easy way to deal with this
problem in Gambas.
It is a problem by design. But of course everything is doable, just not
always reasonable.

Here this will help you:
Print  Val("11/18/2022 15:00:00")        --> 18.11.2022 15:00:00

But there is no solution for the core problem.


Jussi



On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 6:58 PM Claus Dietrich <claus.dietrich at freenet.de>
wrote:

> First upon all I have to apologize that I always open a new thread
>
> with my posts. This will be the last one with this problem.
>
> On /Thu Nov 17 14:47:24 CET 2022 Benoit wrote:/
>
> >By the way, does the last commit help you with dealing with CDate()?
>
> Sorry, I had to wait until today for an up-to-date ppa-master.
> Thanks for your efforts, but your modification seems to relate to
> posts from others and I don't understand the approach:
>
> 1. To me, the manual entrance of a static UTC offset makes things
> worse because the daylight saving is changing over the year. Hence
> this syntax will provide inconsistent results over the year, also
> within the own time zone.
>
> 2. To obtain a correct UTC+n parameter for a different time
> zone and a different date/ time is practically feasible. I have
> developed such a heavy weight routine based on tzdata but I
> am assuming that nobody would use it in conjunction with the
> CDate function.
>
> I was just looking for a small modification where the resulting
> Date (as datatype ) is not shifted by the current time zone offset
> of the platform.
>
> For a moment I thought about an optional boolean CDate parameter,
> which tells the function, not to shift to UTC. This would maintain
> compatibility, but rather looks like patch work, i.e.:
>
> Print  CDate("11/18/2022 15:00:00")        --> 18.11.2022 16:00:00
> Print  CDate("11/18/2022 15:00:00", False) --> 18.11.2022 15:00:00
>
> On Thu Nov 17 14:44:12 CET 2022 Benoit wrote:
> >Actually you should never use the CDate() function. Because it only and
> >arbitrarily interprets strings as UTC dates in the american format.
>
> I fully agree and that's the reason for my posts.
>
> Best regards
> Claus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 19:45:06 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 20:45:06 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
In-Reply-To: <ec432593-2f50-0d17-4c12-ed8d309f9b97@gmail.com>
References: <ec432593-2f50-0d17-4c12-ed8d309f9b97@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFJMe7R1W3fqJdbKLVg9EPK1d6CjoBEmCzFns96uGQeXPQ1O1w@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, I don't understand the question. There is "print" keyword and the
output goes to stdout.

Jussi


On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 2:23 PM BB <adamnt42 at gmail.com> wrote:

> In the "old days" when I and you all wrote COBOL
>
> there was a way to specify a thingo called, i think, a report line. It
> looked something like
>
> 88 something or other
>
> Mneh, it doesnt matter.  the point is . I  am getting there ...
>
> Print, sprintf etc etc etc are really (he said) remnants of the 1970's
> or perhaps even earlier. Now, I want to disregard the eminently
> beautiful gb.report components here BUT
>
> surely in this day and age it is possible to come up with "something"
> that would allow use to "Print" a set of stuff to stdout (or wherever).
>
> Maybe this damn project IS sending me insane(r).
>
>
> anyone
>
> anyone, surely you have used COBOL?\
>
>
> b
>
>
>
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 19:50:04 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 20:50:04 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Starting a new process - but not as a child
In-Reply-To: <41cf5678-b0ca-b569-0450-218f9b2af6be@gmail.com>
References: <41cf5678-b0ca-b569-0450-218f9b2af6be@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFJMe7RE0yNtnyQEm8eDny4dAavSuA4x_Tnv_ML1ySiUGd13QQ@mail.gmail.com>

Try with shell; ( yourapplication ) & exit
Works with terminal, but I haven't tested within Gambas.

Jussi

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 10:51 AM BB <adamnt42 at gmail.com> wrote:

> This one has got me beat.
>
> In a non-gui project: (let's call it the "megaparser")
>
>     I'm processing a large bunch of text files, during which a status is
> decided on each ones fundamental validity.
>
>     If it looks OK then I want to start a new program/project (the
> "fileparser") that has a GUI that I want to, *at MY leisure*, look at how
> it is going and what to do about it.
>
>     So far so fine, the megaparser shells the fileparser quite nicely
> without a wait, so I get what I expected - a gazillion forms each
> displaying the progress and any problems it's having. Fine.
>
> So, here's my problem...
>
> When the megaparser has finished it wants to exit, but there are all these
> child processes running and I want them to keep going.
>
> ?
>
> I'll try again. I have about 30,000 text (actually ahem "xml") files that
> I need to firstly check that each one looks "reasonable" and if so start a
> processing job for that file. No, thats still not clear. The megaparser
> looks at each of the files and determines if it is valid xml if so then it
> starts a new process to parse that file and update the database. That new
> job needs to be *async**hronous* as the megaparser continues on and
> creates more and more parser jobs, no problem yet. *BUT* if the
> meagaparser fails and crashes as it is frequently doing (which is not a
> Gambas issue, it's normally a result of the rotten XML file being totally
> or partially unreadable) the megaparser crashes and I lose all the spawned
> jobs.
>
> I have been going through this repetitive joke for 8 days now so I am
> screaming for help.
>
> *Is there any way to spawn a new process that is **not** a child of the
> running gambas process?*
>
> Going slightly bonkers here
>
> bruxe, or brice or wahayetever my name is.
>
> b
>
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From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Fri Nov 18 20:36:30 2022
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 11:36:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Possible CDATE issue Latest version
Message-ID: <1209091373.8569.1668800190569.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>

With the latest version of gambas, I am getting the strangest issue, I dont understand, not sure if its a bug 
cdate returns different values if called with a class public variable. Locks like possibly like in the last case 
its return the gmt time. 

Hello world 11/18/2022 11:30:56 
CDATE(now) 11/18/2022 11:30:56 
Eval("cdate(now) 11/18/2022 11:30:56 
Try ddate = Eval(thedate) 11/18/2022 19:30:56.895 

I ran the following script to test. This issue popped up in some of my apps 

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
#!/usr/bin/env gbs3 
class mydate 
' Gambas class file 
Public thedate As String 
Public Sub _call() 
Dim ddate As String 
Try ddate = Eval(thedate) 
Print "CDATE(now) \t"; CDate(Now) 
Print "Eval(\"cdate(now) \t"; Eval("cdate(now)") 
Print "Try ddate = Eval(thedate) \t"; ddate 
End 
end class 

public sub main() 
Print "Hello world \t"; CDate(Now) 
Dim getdate As New Mydate 
getdate.thedate = "cdate(now)" 
getdate() 
end 
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 

"Failure is the key to success; 
each mistake teaches us something" .. Morihei Ueshiba 
Brian G 
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 23:34:43 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 00:34:43 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Possible CDATE issue Latest version
In-Reply-To: <1209091373.8569.1668800190569.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
References: <1209091373.8569.1668800190569.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
Message-ID: <CAFJMe7S4JxW6exsxgReWF9rqg-2fRGSCfuJ-Bji=XpCUb=1L5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Are you sure this has worked before?
By quick look I guess it is about how Gambas does the conversions
internally, print uses Str() and maybe that "ddate =" or uses Cstr().


Jussi


On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 11:28 PM Brian G <brian at westwoodsvcs.com> wrote:

> With the latest version of gambas, I am getting the strangest issue, I
> dont understand, not sure if its a bug
> cdate returns different values if called with a class public variable.
> Locks like possibly like in the last case
> its return the gmt time.
>
> Hello world                     11/18/2022 11:30:56
> CDATE(now)                      11/18/2022 11:30:56
> Eval("cdate(now)                11/18/2022 11:30:56
> Try ddate = Eval(thedate)       11/18/2022 19:30:56.895
>
> I ran the following script to test. This issue popped up in some of my apps
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> #!/usr/bin/env gbs3
> class mydate
> ' Gambas class file
> Public thedate As String
> Public Sub _call()
>     Dim ddate As String
>     Try ddate = Eval(thedate)
>     Print "CDATE(now)                \t"; CDate(Now)
>     Print "Eval(\"cdate(now)         \t"; Eval("cdate(now)")
>     Print "Try ddate = Eval(thedate) \t"; ddate
> End
> end class
>
> public sub main()
>     Print "Hello world                \t"; CDate(Now)
>     Dim getdate As New Mydate
>     getdate.thedate = "cdate(now)"
>     getdate()
> end
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> "Failure is the key to success;
>  each mistake teaches us something"  .. Morihei Ueshiba
> Brian G
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 01:48:26 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 11:18:26 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
In-Reply-To: <CAFJMe7R1W3fqJdbKLVg9EPK1d6CjoBEmCzFns96uGQeXPQ1O1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ec432593-2f50-0d17-4c12-ed8d309f9b97@gmail.com>
 <CAFJMe7R1W3fqJdbKLVg9EPK1d6CjoBEmCzFns96uGQeXPQ1O1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ecc5bccf-5766-b417-a4c3-d3af0d98674d@gmail.com>


On 19/11/22 5:15 am, Jussi Lahtinen wrote:
> Sorry, I don't understand the question. There is "print" keyword and 
> the output goes to stdout.
>
> Jussi
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 2:23 PM BB <adamnt42 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:adamnt42 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     [junk]
>
>
> No, I'm sorry. I (in a saner frame of mind) actually meant:

surely in this day and age it is possible to come up with "something"? 
that would allow use to "Print" a set of stuff to stdout (or wherever) 
/in a formatted set of columns/ rather than a ragged bunch of lines.

By way of example

For each Cust

 ??? Print Cust.ID, Cust.Name, Cust.Balance, Cust.Phone

Next

gives lines like

312	Mary K Jones??? 350	0423-614-012
472	Jim Bo??? 75.5	0416-763-274
666	The Devil Incarnate Himself??? 99.999	0413-100-200
2   Bozo Dog	1.23	0413-627-123

The example is trivial but for longer Print commands it becomes almost 
totally unreadable.

What I'm looking for is a _simple_ way to format the output. Something like

 ??? Print Cust.ID; Tab(6); Cust.Name; Tab(50); Cust.Balance; Tab(70); Cust.Phone
or maybe
     Print [0,6,50,70], Cust.ID, Cust.Name, Cust.Balance, Cust.Phone
where the numbers are the starting position for the next item

that would give

312   Mary K Jones??? 		     350	0423-614-012
472   Jim Bo???                      75.5	0416-763-274
666   The Devil Incarnate Himself??? 99.999	0413-100-200
2     Bozo Dog			     1.23	0413-627-123

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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 02:17:54 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 03:17:54 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
In-Reply-To: <ecc5bccf-5766-b417-a4c3-d3af0d98674d@gmail.com>
References: <ec432593-2f50-0d17-4c12-ed8d309f9b97@gmail.com>
 <CAFJMe7R1W3fqJdbKLVg9EPK1d6CjoBEmCzFns96uGQeXPQ1O1w@mail.gmail.com>
 <ecc5bccf-5766-b417-a4c3-d3af0d98674d@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFJMe7RjYdODdsco=LAAeD7X-io1wWYHpiiM7jfE8TaWiMLgkw@mail.gmail.com>

I see... you can use tabs this way:
Print Cust.ID & gb.Tab & Cust.Name & gb.Tab & Cust.Balance & gb.Tab &
Cust.Phone

Many tabs by String(n, gb.Tab). Not very handy though. I think it is best
to write your own function to show things neatly.
See here to learn how to take variable amount of parameters:
http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp/gb/param

This would be a nice feature... but I can do it only with C.
Print [0,6,50,70], Cust.ID, Cust.Name, Cust.Balance, Cust.Phone


Jussi

On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 2:49 AM BB <adamnt42 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On 19/11/22 5:15 am, Jussi Lahtinen wrote:
>
> Sorry, I don't understand the question. There is "print" keyword and the
> output goes to stdout.
>
> Jussi
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 2:23 PM BB <adamnt42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> [junk]
>>
>>
> No, I'm sorry. I (in a saner frame of mind) actually meant:
>
> surely in this day and age it is possible to come up with "something"
> that would allow use to "Print" a set of stuff to stdout (or wherever) *in
> a formatted set of columns* rather than a ragged bunch of lines.
>
> By way of example
>
> For each Cust
>
>     Print Cust.ID, Cust.Name, Cust.Balance, Cust.Phone
>
> Next
>
> gives lines like
>
> 312	Mary K Jones    350	0423-614-012
> 472	Jim Bo    75.5	0416-763-274
> 666	The Devil Incarnate Himself    99.999	0413-100-200
> 2   Bozo Dog	1.23	0413-627-123
>
> The example is trivial but for longer Print commands it becomes almost
> totally unreadable.
>
> What I'm looking for is a *simple* way to format the output. Something
> like
>
>     Print Cust.ID; Tab(6); Cust.Name; Tab(50); Cust.Balance; Tab(70); Cust.Phone
> or maybe
>     Print [0,6,50,70], Cust.ID, Cust.Name, Cust.Balance, Cust.Phone
> where the numbers are the starting position for the next item
>
> that would give
>
> 312   Mary K Jones    		     350	0423-614-012
> 472   Jim Bo                         75.5	0416-763-274
> 666   The Devil Incarnate Himself    99.999	0413-100-200
> 2     Bozo Dog			     1.23	0413-627-123
>
> b
>
>
>
>
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 03:45:10 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 13:15:10 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
In-Reply-To: <CAFJMe7RjYdODdsco=LAAeD7X-io1wWYHpiiM7jfE8TaWiMLgkw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ec432593-2f50-0d17-4c12-ed8d309f9b97@gmail.com>
 <CAFJMe7R1W3fqJdbKLVg9EPK1d6CjoBEmCzFns96uGQeXPQ1O1w@mail.gmail.com>
 <ecc5bccf-5766-b417-a4c3-d3af0d98674d@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <a6226aff-5e25-cfc9-3fb6-7282773bf419@gmail.com>

Well, it turned out to be simple!

On 19/11/22 11:47 am, Jussi Lahtinen wrote:
> I see... you can use tabs this way:
> Print Cust.ID & gb.Tab & Cust.Name & gb.Tab & Cust.Balance & gb.Tab & 
> Cust.Phone
>
> Many tabs by String(n, gb.Tab). Not very handy though. I think it is 
> best to write your own function to show things neatly.
> See here to learn how to take variable amount of parameters: 
> http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp/gb/param 
> <http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp/gb/param>
>
> This would be a nice feature... but I can do it only with C.
> Print [0,6,50,70], Cust.ID, Cust.Name, Cust.Balance, Cust.Phone
>
>
> Jussi
>
>

Public Sub Main()

   PrintF([0, 6, 30, 45, 60, 132], "ACCT", "NAME", "BALANCE", "PHONE", "DUE")
   PrintF([0, 6, 30, 45, 60, 132], String(5, "_"), String(23, "_"), String(45 - 31, "_"), String(60 - 45 - 1, "_"), String(22, "_"))
   PrintF([0, 6, 30, 45, 60, 132], 12345, "Doris Day", Format(45.67, "$#.00"), "N/A", Now())
   PrintF([0, 6, 30, 45, 60, 132], 145, "Michaelango Vesputti", Format(125.67, "$#.00"), "", Date(Now() - 1))
   PrintF([0, 6, 30, 45, 60, 132], 45, "Bozo Dog", Format(5.60, "$#.00"), "Woof", Null)
   PrintF([0, 6, 30, 45, 60, 132], 666, "The Devil Incarnate Himself", Format(-66666, "($,#.00"), "0666-666-666", Date(666))
   PrintF([0, 6, 30, 45, 60, 132], 427, "Jim Bo", Format(75.5, "$#.00"), "0416-763-274", Date(2023, 5, 1, 12, 30))
   
End

Private Sub PrintF(fmt As Integer[], ...)

   Dim idx As Integer
   Dim iPad As Integer ' the number of spaces to add
   
   If Param.Count > (fmt.Count - 1) Then Error.Raise("Mismatched format")
   
   For idx = 0 To Param.Max
     If Len(Str(Param[idx])) >= fmt[idx + 1] - fmt[idx] Then
       Print Left(Str(Param[idx]), fmt[idx + 1] - fmt[idx] - 1); "?";
     Else
       iPad = (fmt[idx + 1] - fmt[idx]) - Len(Str(Param[idx]))
       If ipad < 0 Then Print "?";
       Print Param[idx];
       If idx < Param.Max Then Print String(iPad, " ");
     Endif
   Next
   Print

End

Yields

ACCT  NAME                    BALANCE        PHONE          DUE
_____ _______________________ ______________ ______________ ______________________
12345 Doris Day               $45.67         N/A            19/11/2022 13:04:09
145   Michaelango Vesputti    $125.67                       18/11/2022 00:00:00
45    Bozo Dog                $5.60          Woof
666   The Devil Incarnate Him?($66,666.00)   0666-666-666   28/10/-4800 00:00:00
427   Jim Bo                  $75.50         0416-763-274   01/05/2023 12:30:00

A bit rudimentary and would be "nicer" if numbers were right or decimal 
point aligned and may need a? bit more error control.

Amazing what a good sleep and two days free of malformed XML ahead can do.

regards

bruce

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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 04:11:12 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 05:11:12 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
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References: <ec432593-2f50-0d17-4c12-ed8d309f9b97@gmail.com>
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 <ecc5bccf-5766-b417-a4c3-d3af0d98674d@gmail.com>
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Looks good!
You just need an additional argument for the alignment (perhaps by changing
integer[] to string[] or variant[]), if you want to add it, or you will
narrow the function's use cases.

Jussi

On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 4:46 AM BB <adamnt42 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, it turned out to be simple!
> On 19/11/22 11:47 am, Jussi Lahtinen wrote:
>
> I see... you can use tabs this way:
> Print Cust.ID & gb.Tab & Cust.Name & gb.Tab & Cust.Balance & gb.Tab &
> Cust.Phone
>
> Many tabs by String(n, gb.Tab). Not very handy though. I think it is best
> to write your own function to show things neatly.
> See here to learn how to take variable amount of parameters:
> http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp/gb/param
>
> This would be a nice feature... but I can do it only with C.
> Print [0,6,50,70], Cust.ID, Cust.Name, Cust.Balance, Cust.Phone
>
>
> Jussi
>
>
>
> Public Sub Main()
>
>   PrintF([0, 6, 30, 45, 60, 132], "ACCT", "NAME", "BALANCE", "PHONE", "DUE")
>   PrintF([0, 6, 30, 45, 60, 132], String(5, "_"), String(23, "_"), String(45 - 31, "_"), String(60 - 45 - 1, "_"), String(22, "_"))
>   PrintF([0, 6, 30, 45, 60, 132], 12345, "Doris Day", Format(45.67, "$#.00"), "N/A", Now())
>   PrintF([0, 6, 30, 45, 60, 132], 145, "Michaelango Vesputti", Format(125.67, "$#.00"), "", Date(Now() - 1))
>   PrintF([0, 6, 30, 45, 60, 132], 45, "Bozo Dog", Format(5.60, "$#.00"), "Woof", Null)
>   PrintF([0, 6, 30, 45, 60, 132], 666, "The Devil Incarnate Himself", Format(-66666, "($,#.00"), "0666-666-666", Date(666))
>   PrintF([0, 6, 30, 45, 60, 132], 427, "Jim Bo", Format(75.5, "$#.00"), "0416-763-274", Date(2023, 5, 1, 12, 30))
>
> End
>
> Private Sub PrintF(fmt As Integer[], ...)
>
>   Dim idx As Integer
>   Dim iPad As Integer ' the number of spaces to add
>
>   If Param.Count > (fmt.Count - 1) Then Error.Raise("Mismatched format")
>
>   For idx = 0 To Param.Max
>     If Len(Str(Param[idx])) >= fmt[idx + 1] - fmt[idx] Then
>       Print Left(Str(Param[idx]), fmt[idx + 1] - fmt[idx] - 1); "?";
>     Else
>       iPad = (fmt[idx + 1] - fmt[idx]) - Len(Str(Param[idx]))
>       If ipad < 0 Then Print "?";
>       Print Param[idx];
>       If idx < Param.Max Then Print String(iPad, " ");
>     Endif
>   Next
>   Print
>
> End
>
>
> Yields
>
> ACCT  NAME                    BALANCE        PHONE          DUE
> _____ _______________________ ______________ ______________ ______________________
> 12345 Doris Day               $45.67         N/A            19/11/2022 13:04:09
> 145   Michaelango Vesputti    $125.67                       18/11/2022 00:00:00
> 45    Bozo Dog                $5.60          Woof
> 666   The Devil Incarnate Him?($66,666.00)   0666-666-666   28/10/-4800 00:00:00
> 427   Jim Bo                  $75.50         0416-763-274   01/05/2023 12:30:00
>
> A bit rudimentary and would be "nicer" if numbers were right or decimal
> point aligned and may need a  bit more error control.
>
> Amazing what a good sleep and two days free of malformed XML ahead can do.
>
> regards
>
> bruce
>
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From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 04:26:50 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 22:26:50 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
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On 11/18/22 21:45, BB wrote:
> Private Sub PrintF(fmt As Integer[], ...)
> 
>    Dim idx As Integer
>    Dim iPad As Integer ' the number of spaces to add
>    
>    If Param.Count > (fmt.Count - 1) Then Error.Raise("Mismatched format")
>    
>    For idx = 0 To Param.Max
>      If Len(Str(Param[idx])) >= fmt[idx + 1] - fmt[idx] Then
>        Print Left(Str(Param[idx]), fmt[idx + 1] - fmt[idx] - 1); "?";
>      Else
>        iPad = (fmt[idx + 1] - fmt[idx]) - Len(Str(Param[idx]))
>        If ipad < 0 Then Print "?";
>        Print Param[idx];
>        If idx < Param.Max Then Print String(iPad, " ");
>      Endif
>    Next
>    Print
> 
> End

Interesting. I think we must have been working on it separately together.

But, what I came up with is simpler :-P

[code]
' Gambas module file

Public Sub Main()

   Dim Customers As New Collection[]

   Customers.Add(["id": "312", "name": "Mary K Jones", "balance": 350, "phone": "423-614-12"])
   Customers.Add(["id": "472", "name": "Jim Bo", "balance": 75.5, "phone": "0416-763-274"])
   Customers.Add(["id": "666", "name": "The Devil Incarnate Himself", "balance": 99.999, "phone": "0413-100-200"])
   Customers.Add(["id": "2", "name": "Bozo Dog", "balance": 1.23, "phone": "0413-627-123"])

   For Each cust As Collection In Customers
     Print Pad(cust["id"], 8); Pad(cust["name"], 35); Pad(cust["balance"], 10); cust["phone"]
   Next

End

Public Sub Pad(sStr As String, iWidth As Integer) As String

   Return sStr & Space(iWidth - Len(sStr))

End
[/code]

Maybe not as versatile though.


-- 
Lee


From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 04:39:02 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 14:09:02 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
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On 19/11/22 1:56 pm, T Lee Davidson wrote:
> Maybe not as versatile though. 

yep. I have elision when the data is too "wide" for the space it needs 
to fit in and

your approach uses column widths, I got away from that as column 
position was just more intuitive to me in this respect as I dont need to 
figure out what the proper widths should be. Others may prefer the 
column width though and I may try it that way to see.


b


From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 04:44:41 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 14:14:41 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
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On 19/11/22 1:41 pm, Jussi Lahtinen wrote:
> Looks good!
> You just need an additional argument for the alignment (perhaps by 
> changing integer[] to string[] or variant[]), if you want to add it, 
> or you will narrow the function's use cases.
>
> Jussi
>
I'm actually thinking now of using a negative position to right align 
the item. Decimal point alignment is probably too hard ATM as it would 
need to know too much about stuff.

b


From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Sat Nov 19 07:25:04 2022
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (=?UTF-8?B?QnJpYW4gRw==?=)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 09:25:04 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] =?utf-8?q?Possible_CDATE_issue_Latest_version?=
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Yes, it has worked for a long time, and just this week fails.
--
Thanks
Brian G Friday, 18 November 2022, 02:35PM -08:00 from Jussi Lahtinen  jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com :

>Are you sure this has worked before?
>By quick look I guess it is about how Gambas does the conversions internally, print uses Str() and maybe that "ddate =" or uses Cstr().
>
>
>Jussi
>
>
>On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 11:28 PM Brian G < brian at westwoodsvcs.com> wrote:
>>With the latest version of gambas, I am getting the strangest issue, I dont understand, not sure if its a bug
>>cdate returns different values if called with a class public variable. Locks like possibly like in the last case
>>its return the gmt time.
>>
>>Hello world? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?11/18/2022 11:30:56
>>CDATE(now)? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 11/18/2022 11:30:56
>>Eval("cdate(now)? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 11/18/2022 11:30:56
>>Try ddate = Eval(thedate)? ? ? ?11/18/2022 19:30:56.895
>>
>>I ran the following script to test. This issue popped up in some of my apps
>>
>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>#!/usr/bin/env gbs3
>>class mydate
>>' Gambas class file
>>Public thedate As String
>>Public Sub _call()
>>? ? Dim ddate As String
>>? ? Try ddate = Eval(thedate)
>>? ? Print "CDATE(now)? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? \t"; CDate(Now)
>>? ? Print "Eval(\"cdate(now)? ? ? ? ?\t"; Eval("cdate(now)")
>>? ? Print "Try ddate = Eval(thedate) \t"; ddate
>>End
>>end class
>>
>>public sub main()
>>? ? Print "Hello world? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? \t"; CDate(Now)
>>? ? Dim getdate As New Mydate
>>? ? getdate.thedate = "cdate(now)"
>>? ? getdate()
>>end
>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>"Failure is the key to success; 
>>?each mistake teaches us something" ?.. Morihei Ueshiba
>>Brian G
>>----[  http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Sat Nov 19 11:43:36 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 11:43:36 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Possible CDATE issue Latest version
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Le 18/11/2022 ? 20:36, Brian G a ?crit?:
> With the latest version of gambas, I am getting the strangest issue, I 
> dont understand, not sure if its a bug
> cdate returns different values if called with a class public variable. 
> Locks like possibly like in the last case
> its return the gmt time.
> 
> Hello world? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?11/18/2022 11:30:56
> CDATE(now)? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 11/18/2022 11:30:56
> Eval("cdate(now)? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 11/18/2022 11:30:56
> Try ddate = Eval(thedate)? ? ? ?11/18/2022 19:30:56.895
> 

The printed strings are normal. What did you expect?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From bagoneo at libero.it  Sat Nov 19 13:55:41 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 13:55:41 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
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Il 19/11/22 04:44, BB ha scritto:
> 
> On 19/11/22 1:41 pm, Jussi Lahtinen wrote:
>> Looks good!
>> You just need an additional argument for the alignment (perhaps by 
>> changing integer[] to string[] or variant[]), if you want to add it, 
>> or you will narrow the function's use cases.
>>
>> Jussi
>>
> I'm actually thinking now of using a negative position to right align 
> the item. Decimal point alignment is probably too hard ATM as it would 
> need to know too much about stuff.
> 
> b
> 
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

Hi,

my penny (do they say that?), you need to check gb.util

'-------------------------------------------------------
Public Sub Main()

   Dim aRight As Boolean[] = [True, True, False, False]
   Dim aSpace As Integer[] = [6, 30, 10, 15]
   Dim aField1 As String[] = ["312", "Mary K Jones", Format(350, 
"$,#.00"), "0423-614-012"]
   Dim aField2 As String[] = ["472", "Jim Bo", Format(75.5, "$,#.00"), 
"0416-763-274"]
   Dim aField3 As String[] = ["666", "The Devil Incarnate Himself", 
Format(9999.99, "$,#.00"), "0413-100-200"]
   Dim aField4 As String[] = ["2", "Bozo Dog", Format(1.23, "$,#.00"), 
"0413-627-123"]

   PrintVarPad(aRight, aSpace, aField1)
   PrintVarPad(aRight, aSpace, aField2)
   PrintVarPad(aRight, aSpace, aField3)
   PrintVarPad(aRight, aSpace, aField4)

End

Private Sub PrintVarPad(aRight As Boolean[], aSpace As Integer[], aField 
As String[])

   For i As Integer = 0 To aField.Max
     If aRight[i] = True Then
       Print String.PadRight(aField[i], aSpace[i]);
     Else
       Print String.PadLeft(aField[i], aSpace[i]);
     Endif
   Next
   Print

End
'---------------------------------------

Regards

Gianluigi

From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 14:56:42 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 00:26:42 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
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On 19/11/22 11:25 pm, gian via User wrote:
> Hi,
>
> my penny (do they say that?), you need to check gb.util
>
> '-------------------------------------------------------
> Public Sub Main()
>
> ? Dim aRight As Boolean[] = [True, True, False, False]
> ? Dim aSpace As Integer[] = [6, 30, 10, 15]
> ? Dim aField1 As String[] = ["312", "Mary K Jones", Format(350, 
> "$,#.00"), "0423-614-012"]
> ? Dim aField2 As String[] = ["472", "Jim Bo", Format(75.5, "$,#.00"), 
> "0416-763-274"]
> ? Dim aField3 As String[] = ["666", "The Devil Incarnate Himself", 
> Format(9999.99, "$,#.00"), "0413-100-200"]
> ? Dim aField4 As String[] = ["2", "Bozo Dog", Format(1.23, "$,#.00"), 
> "0413-627-123"]
>
> ? PrintVarPad(aRight, aSpace, aField1)
> ? PrintVarPad(aRight, aSpace, aField2)
> ? PrintVarPad(aRight, aSpace, aField3)
> ? PrintVarPad(aRight, aSpace, aField4)
>
> End
>
> Private Sub PrintVarPad(aRight As Boolean[], aSpace As Integer[], 
> aField As String[])
>
> ? For i As Integer = 0 To aField.Max
> ??? If aRight[i] = True Then
> ????? Print String.PadRight(aField[i], aSpace[i]);
> ??? Else
> ????? Print String.PadLeft(aField[i], aSpace[i]);
> ??? Endif
> ? Next
> ? Print
>
> End
> '---------------------------------------
>
> Regards
>
> Gianluigi
>
>
While you are right Luigi it's not exactly what I was driving at.

The main reason I want this is usually to quickly print out some things 
from a collection of Objects.

For each hBeast as Animal in TheZoo

 ??? Print hbeast.Species, hBeast.Name, hBeast.Microchip, hBeast.Keeper.Name, hBeast.Keeper.Phone, hBeast.IsAlive, hBeast.etc etc

Next

So what I now have is

Dim iFmt as Variant=[0,15,35,42,60,68,74,etc etc]

For Each hBeast as Animal in TheZoo

 ??? PrintF(iFmt, hbeast.Species, hBeast.Name, hBeast.Microchip, hBeast.Keeper.Name, hBeast.Keeper.Phone, hBeast.IsAlive, hBeast.etc etc)

Next

Which is about as simple as I can get it, no mucking around with putting 
stuff in arrays, especially the data variables themselves.

I know about gb.Util and the string functions therein. I just didn't use 
it simply to save having to load another Component. That's all. (If I 
recall correctly I was the one that submitted those functions when 
gb.Util was first being built ?)

Thanks for the interest anyway.

b

For those still interested here's the current state



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From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Sat Nov 19 17:26:13 2022
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 08:26:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Possible CDATE issue Latest version
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----- On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:43 AM, Benoit Minisini benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org wrote:

> Le 18/11/2022 ? 20:36, Brian G a ?crit?:
>> With the latest version of gambas, I am getting the strangest issue, I
>> dont understand, not sure if its a bug
>> cdate returns different values if called with a class public variable.
>> Locks like possibly like in the last case
>> its return the gmt time.
>> 
>> Hello world? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?11/18/2022 11:30:56
>> CDATE(now)? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 11/18/2022 11:30:56
>> Eval("cdate(now)")? ? ? ? ? ? ? 11/18/2022 11:30:56
>> dim thedate as string = "CDate(now)"
>> Try ddate = Eval(thedate)? ? ? ?11/18/2022 19:30:56.895
>> 
> 
> The printed strings are normal. What did you expect?
> 
> --
> Beno?t Minisini.
> 
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

I expect the times to all be the same, the last time printed is a different time zone
although the same expression is being evaluated.

Has anyone else tried to run the provided script

"Failure is the key to success; 
?each mistake teaches us something" ?.. Morihei Ueshiba
Brian G


From bagoneo at libero.it  Sat Nov 19 18:14:09 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 18:14:09 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
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Il 19/11/22 14:56, BB ha scritto:
> So what I now have is
> 
> Dim iFmt as Variant=[0,15,35,42,60,68,74,etc etc]
> 
> For Each hBeast as Animal in TheZoo
> 
>  ??? PrintF(iFmt, hbeast.Species, hBeast.Name, hBeast.Microchip, hBeast.Keeper.Name, hBeast.Keeper.Phone, hBeast.IsAlive, hBeast.etc etc)
> 
> Next
> 
> Which is about as simple as I can get it, no mucking around with putting 
> stuff in arrays, especially the data variables themselves.
> 
> I know about gb.Util and the string functions therein. I just didn't use 
> it simply to save having to load another Component. That's all. (If I 
> recall correctly I was the one that submitted those functions when 
> gb.Util was first being built ?)
> 
> Thanks for the interest anyway.
> 
> b
> 

Hi,

sorry for the delay in replying, but I am busy with house cleaning on 
Saturday.
I don't understand what you mean, if you don't want to check off the 
component import functions (see attached project)
However you need to know first how many columns you are using, so what 
does that change?
I really don't see the point of having a variadic function?

Regards

Gianluigi

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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Sat Nov 19 18:43:36 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 18:43:36 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Possible CDATE issue Latest version
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Le 19/11/2022 ? 17:26, Brian G a ?crit?:
> 
> ----- On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:43 AM, Benoit Minisini benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org wrote:
> 
>> Le 18/11/2022 ? 20:36, Brian G a ?crit?:
>>> With the latest version of gambas, I am getting the strangest issue, I
>>> dont understand, not sure if its a bug
>>> cdate returns different values if called with a class public variable.
>>> Locks like possibly like in the last case
>>> its return the gmt time.
>>>
>>> Hello world? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?11/18/2022 11:30:56
>>> CDATE(now)? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 11/18/2022 11:30:56
>>> Eval("cdate(now)")? ? ? ? ? ? ? 11/18/2022 11:30:56
>>> dim thedate as string = "CDate(now)"
>>> Try ddate = Eval(thedate)? ? ? ?11/18/2022 19:30:56.895
>>>
>>
>> The printed strings are normal. What did you expect?
>>
>> --
>> Beno?t Minisini.
>>
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> 
> I expect the times to all be the same, the last time printed is a different time zone
> although the same expression is being evaluated.
> 

It can't be the same as in your script, 'ddate' is a string that 
receives the result of evaluating an expression that returns a date.

Hence this date is converted to a string automatically with CDate() to 
be put inside the 'ddate' variable, and so you get the UTC 
representation of the date as returned by CDate().

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Sat Nov 19 19:26:26 2022
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 10:26:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Possible CDATE issue Latest version
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----- On Nov 19, 2022, at 9:43 AM, Benoit Minisini benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org wrote:

> Le 19/11/2022 ? 17:26, Brian G a ?crit?:
>> 
>> ----- On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:43 AM, Benoit Minisini
>> benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org wrote:
>> 
>>> Le 18/11/2022 ? 20:36, Brian G a ?crit?:
>>>> With the latest version of gambas, I am getting the strangest issue, I
>>>> dont understand, not sure if its a bug
>>>> cdate returns different values if called with a class public variable.
>>>> Locks like possibly like in the last case
>>>> its return the gmt time.
>>>>
>>>> Hello world? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?11/18/2022 11:30:56
>>>> CDATE(now)? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 11/18/2022 11:30:56
>>>> Eval("cdate(now)")? ? ? ? ? ? ? 11/18/2022 11:30:56
>>>> dim thedate as string = "CDate(now)"
>>>> Try ddate = Eval(thedate)? ? ? ?11/18/2022 19:30:56.895
>>>>
>>>
>>> The printed strings are normal. What did you expect?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Beno?t Minisini.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>> 
>> I expect the times to all be the same, the last time printed is a different time
>> zone
>> although the same expression is being evaluated.
>> 
> 
> It can't be the same as in your script, 'ddate' is a string that
> receives the result of evaluating an expression that returns a date.
> 
> Hence this date is converted to a string automatically with CDate() to
> be put inside the 'ddate' variable, and so you get the UTC
> representation of the date as returned by CDate().
> 
> Regards,
> 
> --
> Beno?t Minisini.
> 
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
Maybe I am just a bit thick but I had expected

print   cdate(now)

and 

dim a as string = cdate(now)
print a

To produce the same output value! 

This is what is produced

11/19/2022 10:19:18
11/19/2022 18:19:18.16


if this is correct output, why it seems so very wrong!

and doing this

print date(now)
or
a = date(now)
print a

produces as output

11/19/2022 00:00:00
11/19/2022 08:00:00

This also seems incorrect...





 

From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 19:34:04 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 20:34:04 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Possible CDATE issue Latest version
In-Reply-To: <2036511727.8814.1668882386126.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
References: <1209091373.8569.1668800190569.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
 <5a018892-4970-787e-a56c-38fe57d3c8ef@gambas-basic.org>
 <127800810.8753.1668875173891.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
 <0600c9c2-e719-07d4-195a-3b69bdb0669d@gambas-basic.org>
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Welcome to Gambas dates where everything is wonderful and intuitive.

Jussi

On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 8:27 PM Brian G <brian at westwoodsvcs.com> wrote:

> ----- On Nov 19, 2022, at 9:43 AM, Benoit Minisini
> benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org wrote:
>
> > Le 19/11/2022 ? 17:26, Brian G a ?crit :
> >>
> >> ----- On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:43 AM, Benoit Minisini
> >> benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org wrote:
> >>
> >>> Le 18/11/2022 ? 20:36, Brian G a ?crit :
> >>>> With the latest version of gambas, I am getting the strangest issue, I
> >>>> dont understand, not sure if its a bug
> >>>> cdate returns different values if called with a class public variable.
> >>>> Locks like possibly like in the last case
> >>>> its return the gmt time.
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello world                     11/18/2022 11:30:56
> >>>> CDATE(now)                      11/18/2022 11:30:56
> >>>> Eval("cdate(now)")              11/18/2022 11:30:56
> >>>> dim thedate as string = "CDate(now)"
> >>>> Try ddate = Eval(thedate)       11/18/2022 19:30:56.895
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> The printed strings are normal. What did you expect?
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Beno?t Minisini.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> >>
> >> I expect the times to all be the same, the last time printed is a
> different time
> >> zone
> >> although the same expression is being evaluated.
> >>
> >
> > It can't be the same as in your script, 'ddate' is a string that
> > receives the result of evaluating an expression that returns a date.
> >
> > Hence this date is converted to a string automatically with CDate() to
> > be put inside the 'ddate' variable, and so you get the UTC
> > representation of the date as returned by CDate().
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > --
> > Beno?t Minisini.
> >
> >
> > ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> Maybe I am just a bit thick but I had expected
>
> print   cdate(now)
>
> and
>
> dim a as string = cdate(now)
> print a
>
> To produce the same output value!
>
> This is what is produced
>
> 11/19/2022 10:19:18
> 11/19/2022 18:19:18.16
>
>
> if this is correct output, why it seems so very wrong!
>
> and doing this
>
> print date(now)
> or
> a = date(now)
> print a
>
> produces as output
>
> 11/19/2022 00:00:00
> 11/19/2022 08:00:00
>
> This also seems incorrect...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From tobs at taboege.de  Sat Nov 19 19:47:51 2022
From: tobs at taboege.de (Tobias Boege)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 20:47:51 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Possible CDATE issue Latest version
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Message-ID: <20221119184751.GB3944342@T580.localdomain>

On Sat, 19 Nov 2022, Brian G wrote:
> ----- On Nov 19, 2022, at 9:43 AM, Benoit Minisini benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org wrote:
> 
> > Le 19/11/2022 ? 17:26, Brian G a ?crit?:
> >> 
> >> ----- On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:43 AM, Benoit Minisini
> >> benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Le 18/11/2022 ? 20:36, Brian G a ?crit?:
> >>>> With the latest version of gambas, I am getting the strangest issue, I
> >>>> dont understand, not sure if its a bug
> >>>> cdate returns different values if called with a class public variable.
> >>>> Locks like possibly like in the last case
> >>>> its return the gmt time.
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello world? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?11/18/2022 11:30:56
> >>>> CDATE(now)? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 11/18/2022 11:30:56
> >>>> Eval("cdate(now)")? ? ? ? ? ? ? 11/18/2022 11:30:56
> >>>> dim thedate as string = "CDate(now)"
> >>>> Try ddate = Eval(thedate)? ? ? ?11/18/2022 19:30:56.895
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> The printed strings are normal. What did you expect?
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Beno?t Minisini.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> >> 
> >> I expect the times to all be the same, the last time printed is a different time
> >> zone
> >> although the same expression is being evaluated.
> >> 
> > 
> > It can't be the same as in your script, 'ddate' is a string that
> > receives the result of evaluating an expression that returns a date.
> > 
> > Hence this date is converted to a string automatically with CDate() to
> > be put inside the 'ddate' variable, and so you get the UTC
> > representation of the date as returned by CDate().
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > --
> > Beno?t Minisini.
> > 
> > 
> > ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> Maybe I am just a bit thick but I had expected
> 
> print   cdate(now)
> 
> and 
> 
> dim a as string = cdate(now)
> print a
> 
> To produce the same output value! 
> 
> This is what is produced
> 
> 11/19/2022 10:19:18
> 11/19/2022 18:19:18.16
> 

No! The Print instruction converts dates to strings for humans, i.e.,
using the current locale, including timezone. By contrast, assigning
to a string variable uses the low-level conversion function CStr()
which does not use the current locale.

You should expect

  Dim a As String = CDate(Now)
  Print a

and

  Print CStr(Now)

to produce the same output, as well as

  Dim a As String = Str$(Now)
  Print a

and

  Print Now

And indeed, they do. The Print documentation tells you that.

Best,
Tobias

-- 
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 20:54:59 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 21:54:59 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Possible CDATE issue Latest version
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Tobias, don't you think that this would be easier if the dates would mimic
the behavior of a paper calendar?
To me this is so obvious, it's old, proven tech and immune to timezone
issues (and GNU Lib C supports it). Maybe I'm missing something?
Of course, it is too late to modify the existing behavior, because of
backward compatibility, but am I really the only one who thinks that would
be a useful feature?

Jussi


On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 8:48 PM Tobias Boege via User <
user at lists.gambas-basic.org> wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Nov 2022, Brian G wrote:
> > ----- On Nov 19, 2022, at 9:43 AM, Benoit Minisini
> benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org wrote:
> >
> > > Le 19/11/2022 ? 17:26, Brian G a ?crit :
> > >>
> > >> ----- On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:43 AM, Benoit Minisini
> > >> benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Le 18/11/2022 ? 20:36, Brian G a ?crit :
> > >>>> With the latest version of gambas, I am getting the strangest
> issue, I
> > >>>> dont understand, not sure if its a bug
> > >>>> cdate returns different values if called with a class public
> variable.
> > >>>> Locks like possibly like in the last case
> > >>>> its return the gmt time.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hello world                     11/18/2022 11:30:56
> > >>>> CDATE(now)                      11/18/2022 11:30:56
> > >>>> Eval("cdate(now)")              11/18/2022 11:30:56
> > >>>> dim thedate as string = "CDate(now)"
> > >>>> Try ddate = Eval(thedate)       11/18/2022 19:30:56.895
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> The printed strings are normal. What did you expect?
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Beno?t Minisini.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> > >>
> > >> I expect the times to all be the same, the last time printed is a
> different time
> > >> zone
> > >> although the same expression is being evaluated.
> > >>
> > >
> > > It can't be the same as in your script, 'ddate' is a string that
> > > receives the result of evaluating an expression that returns a date.
> > >
> > > Hence this date is converted to a string automatically with CDate() to
> > > be put inside the 'ddate' variable, and so you get the UTC
> > > representation of the date as returned by CDate().
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > --
> > > Beno?t Minisini.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> > Maybe I am just a bit thick but I had expected
> >
> > print   cdate(now)
> >
> > and
> >
> > dim a as string = cdate(now)
> > print a
> >
> > To produce the same output value!
> >
> > This is what is produced
> >
> > 11/19/2022 10:19:18
> > 11/19/2022 18:19:18.16
> >
>
> No! The Print instruction converts dates to strings for humans, i.e.,
> using the current locale, including timezone. By contrast, assigning
> to a string variable uses the low-level conversion function CStr()
> which does not use the current locale.
>
> You should expect
>
>   Dim a As String = CDate(Now)
>   Print a
>
> and
>
>   Print CStr(Now)
>
> to produce the same output, as well as
>
>   Dim a As String = Str$(Now)
>   Print a
>
> and
>
>   Print Now
>
> And indeed, they do. The Print documentation tells you that.
>
> Best,
> Tobias
>
> --
> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Sat Nov 19 21:14:11 2022
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 12:14:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Possible CDATE issue Latest version
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----- On Nov 19, 2022, at 11:54 AM, Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> wrote: 

> Tobias, don't you think that this would be easier if the dates would mimic the
> behavior of a paper calendar?
> To me this is so obvious, it's old, proven tech and immune to timezone issues
> (and GNU Lib C supports it). Maybe I'm missing something?
> Of course, it is too late to modify the existing behavior, because of backward
> compatibility, but am I really the only one who thinks that would be a useful
> feature?

> Jussi

> On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 8:48 PM Tobias Boege via User < [
> mailto:user at lists.gambas-basic.org | user at lists.gambas-basic.org ] > wrote:

>> On Sat, 19 Nov 2022, Brian G wrote:
>>> ----- On Nov 19, 2022, at 9:43 AM, Benoit Minisini [
>>> mailto:benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org | benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org ]
>> > wrote:

>> > > Le 19/11/2022 ? 17:26, Brian G a ?crit :

>> > >> ----- On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:43 AM, Benoit Minisini
>>> >> [ mailto:benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org | benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org ]
>> > >> wrote:

>> > >>> Le 18/11/2022 ? 20:36, Brian G a ?crit :
>> > >>>> With the latest version of gambas, I am getting the strangest issue, I
>> > >>>> dont understand, not sure if its a bug
>> > >>>> cdate returns different values if called with a class public variable.
>> > >>>> Locks like possibly like in the last case
>> > >>>> its return the gmt time.

>> > >>>> Hello world 11/18/2022 11:30:56
>> > >>>> CDATE(now) 11/18/2022 11:30:56
>> > >>>> Eval("cdate(now)") 11/18/2022 11:30:56
>> > >>>> dim thedate as string = "CDate(now)"
>> > >>>> Try ddate = Eval(thedate) 11/18/2022 19:30:56.895


>> > >>> The printed strings are normal. What did you expect?

>> > >>> --
>> > >>> Beno?t Minisini.


>>> >>> ----[ [ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette |
>> > >>> http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ] ]----

>> > >> I expect the times to all be the same, the last time printed is a different time
>> > >> zone
>> > >> although the same expression is being evaluated.


>> > > It can't be the same as in your script, 'ddate' is a string that
>> > > receives the result of evaluating an expression that returns a date.

>> > > Hence this date is converted to a string automatically with CDate() to
>> > > be put inside the 'ddate' variable, and so you get the UTC
>> > > representation of the date as returned by CDate().

>> > > Regards,

>> > > --
>> > > Beno?t Minisini.


>>> > ----[ [ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette |
>> > > http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ] ]----
>> > Maybe I am just a bit thick but I had expected

>> > print cdate(now)

>> > and

>> > dim a as string = cdate(now)
>> > print a

>> > To produce the same output value!

>> > This is what is produced

>> > 11/19/2022 10:19:18
>> > 11/19/2022 18:19:18.16


>> No! The Print instruction converts dates to strings for humans, i.e.,
>> using the current locale, including timezone. By contrast, assigning
>> to a string variable uses the low-level conversion function CStr()
>> which does not use the current locale.

>> You should expect

>> Dim a As String = CDate(Now)
>> Print a

>> and

>> Print CStr(Now)

>> to produce the same output, as well as

>> Dim a As String = Str$(Now)
>> Print a

>> and

>> Print Now

>> And indeed, they do. The Print documentation tells you that.

>> Best,
>> Tobias

>> --
>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk

>> ----[ [ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette |
>> http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ] ]----

> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
I am sorry but that is crazy. 
both should use the same conversion as, this is incredibly confusing for the user. 

if i want something other that what print would diplay I can specify the correct conversion - cstr(now) 

print now 
and 
dim a as string = now 
print a 

should by common logic be equivelent, or have more confused users that anything else 

It would simplify so much if what is expected is shown. 
The default conversion should be he same for all uses of the date functions and values , and anything else shoul;d be specified. 

And what about the date(now) it is not working correctly at all it always a returns a time portion when it should only return the date according to the documentation. and the time is always 00:00:00 or 08:00:00 which is the diffrence to GMT for my location. 

This seems so messed up. 

"Failure is the key to success; 
each mistake teaches us something" .. Morihei Ueshiba 
Brian G 
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From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Sat Nov 19 21:38:57 2022
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 12:38:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Possible CDATE issue Latest version
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I am not trying to cause change, I understand it's the way it is. 
I am just expressing my own confusion... 

Maybe just a bit thick then..... 

"Failure is the key to success; 
each mistake teaches us something" .. Morihei Ueshiba 
Brian G 

----- On Nov 19, 2022, at 11:54 AM, Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> wrote: 

> Tobias, don't you think that this would be easier if the dates would mimic the
> behavior of a paper calendar?
> To me this is so obvious, it's old, proven tech and immune to timezone issues
> (and GNU Lib C supports it). Maybe I'm missing something?
> Of course, it is too late to modify the existing behavior, because of backward
> compatibility, but am I really the only one who thinks that would be a useful
> feature?

> Jussi

> On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 8:48 PM Tobias Boege via User < [
> mailto:user at lists.gambas-basic.org | user at lists.gambas-basic.org ] > wrote:

>> On Sat, 19 Nov 2022, Brian G wrote:
>>> ----- On Nov 19, 2022, at 9:43 AM, Benoit Minisini [
>>> mailto:benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org | benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org ]
>> > wrote:

>> > > Le 19/11/2022 ? 17:26, Brian G a ?crit :

>> > >> ----- On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:43 AM, Benoit Minisini
>>> >> [ mailto:benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org | benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org ]
>> > >> wrote:

>> > >>> Le 18/11/2022 ? 20:36, Brian G a ?crit :
>> > >>>> With the latest version of gambas, I am getting the strangest issue, I
>> > >>>> dont understand, not sure if its a bug
>> > >>>> cdate returns different values if called with a class public variable.
>> > >>>> Locks like possibly like in the last case
>> > >>>> its return the gmt time.

>> > >>>> Hello world 11/18/2022 11:30:56
>> > >>>> CDATE(now) 11/18/2022 11:30:56
>> > >>>> Eval("cdate(now)") 11/18/2022 11:30:56
>> > >>>> dim thedate as string = "CDate(now)"
>> > >>>> Try ddate = Eval(thedate) 11/18/2022 19:30:56.895


>> > >>> The printed strings are normal. What did you expect?

>> > >>> --
>> > >>> Beno?t Minisini.


>>> >>> ----[ [ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette |
>> > >>> http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ] ]----

>> > >> I expect the times to all be the same, the last time printed is a different time
>> > >> zone
>> > >> although the same expression is being evaluated.


>> > > It can't be the same as in your script, 'ddate' is a string that
>> > > receives the result of evaluating an expression that returns a date.

>> > > Hence this date is converted to a string automatically with CDate() to
>> > > be put inside the 'ddate' variable, and so you get the UTC
>> > > representation of the date as returned by CDate().

>> > > Regards,

>> > > --
>> > > Beno?t Minisini.


>>> > ----[ [ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette |
>> > > http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ] ]----
>> > Maybe I am just a bit thick but I had expected

>> > print cdate(now)

>> > and

>> > dim a as string = cdate(now)
>> > print a

>> > To produce the same output value!

>> > This is what is produced

>> > 11/19/2022 10:19:18
>> > 11/19/2022 18:19:18.16


>> No! The Print instruction converts dates to strings for humans, i.e.,
>> using the current locale, including timezone. By contrast, assigning
>> to a string variable uses the low-level conversion function CStr()
>> which does not use the current locale.

>> You should expect

>> Dim a As String = CDate(Now)
>> Print a

>> and

>> Print CStr(Now)

>> to produce the same output, as well as

>> Dim a As String = Str$(Now)
>> Print a

>> and

>> Print Now

>> And indeed, they do. The Print documentation tells you that.

>> Best,
>> Tobias

>> --
>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk

>> ----[ [ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette |
>> http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ] ]----

> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From bagoneo at libero.it  Sat Nov 19 23:26:40 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 23:26:40 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
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I had done the project in a hurry, actually the two functions were 
superfluous.
So it is better

Good night (it is night here and I am going to sleep)

Gianluigi


Il 19/11/22 14:56, BB ha scritto:
> Which is about as simple as I can get it, no mucking around with putting 
> stuff in arrays, especially the data variables themselves.

But, if I'm not mistaken, the three dots (...) represent an array...
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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Sun Nov 20 01:18:08 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 01:18:08 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Possible CDATE issue Latest version
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Le 19/11/2022 ? 21:14, Brian G a ?crit?:
> 
> 
> I am sorry but that is crazy.
>  ? ?both should use the same conversion as, this is incredibly confusing 
> for the user.

No, because Print is intended to be used for printing things to the 
user, and so it uses localized conversion.

> 
> if i want something other that what print would diplay I can specify the 
> correct conversion - cstr(now)
> 
> print now
> and
> dim a as string = now
> print a
> 
> should by common logic? be equivelent, or have more confused users that 
> anything else

No, because there are two kinds of strings: those which are displayed to 
the user, and must be localized (and usually translated), and those 
which are internal and must not be localized.

If you don't specify that explicitly with CStr() and Str(), you rely on 
automatic conversion.

As 'Print' is for printing to the user (normally), it assumes localized 
strings. Other automatic conversion assumes non localized strings.

In a few words, if you don't get it, don't use implicit conversion. 
Always use explicit conversion.

> 
> It would simplify so much if what is expected is shown.
> The default conversion should be he same for all uses of the date 
> functions and values , and anything else shoul;d be specified.
> 
> And what about the date(now)? ?it is not working correctly at all it 
> always a returns a time portion when it should only return the date 
> according to the documentation. and the time is always 00:00:00 or 
> 08:00:00 which is the diffrence to GMT for my location.
> 
> This seems so messed up.

No, Date() moves a date/time to the past at midnight in the current 
localization. That's all.

Read https://gambaswiki.org/edit/doc/date again and again.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Sun Nov 20 05:39:48 2022
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (=?UTF-8?B?QnJpYW4gRw==?=)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 07:39:48 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] =?utf-8?q?Possible_CDATE_issue_Latest_version?=
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Still all I feel all default conversion should use the same conversion, regardless of the use. And then if anything different is needed it is up to programmer.
The way it is is kind of unexpected for such a consistent language.
--
Thanks
Brian G Saturday, 19 November 2022, 04:19PM -08:00 from Benoit Minisini  benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org :

>Le 19/11/2022 ? 21:14, Brian G a ?crit?:
>
>
> I am sorry but that is crazy.
> ? ?both should use the same conversion as, this is incredibly confusing 
> for the user.
>
>No, because Print is intended to be used for printing things to the 
>user, and so it uses localized conversion.
>
>
> if i want something other that what print would diplay I can specify the 
> correct conversion - cstr(now)
>
> print now
> and
> dim a as string = now
> print a
>
> should by common logic? be equivelent, or have more confused users that 
> anything else
>
>No, because there are two kinds of strings: those which are displayed to 
>the user, and must be localized (and usually translated), and those 
>which are internal and must not be localized.
>
>If you don't specify that explicitly with CStr() and Str(), you rely on 
>automatic conversion.
>
>As 'Print' is for printing to the user (normally), it assumes localized 
>strings. Other automatic conversion assumes non localized strings.
>
>In a few words, if you don't get it, don't use implicit conversion. 
>Always use explicit conversion.
>
>
> It would simplify so much if what is expected is shown.
> The default conversion should be he same for all uses of the date 
> functions and values , and anything else shoul;d be specified.
>
> And what about the date(now)? ?it is not working correctly at all it 
> always a returns a time portion when it should only return the date 
> according to the documentation. and the time is always 00:00:00 or 
> 08:00:00 which is the diffrence to GMT for my location.
>
> This seems so messed up.
>
>No, Date() moves a date/time to the past at midnight in the current 
>localization. That's all.
>
>Read  https://gambaswiki.org/edit/doc/date again and again.
>
>Regards,
>
>-- 
>Beno?t Minisini.
>
>
>----[  http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From bagoneo at libero.it  Sun Nov 20 14:37:42 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 14:37:42 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
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Il 19/11/22 23:26, gian via User ha scritto:
> I had done the project in a hurry, actually the two functions were 
> superfluous.
> So it is better
> 
> Good night (it is night here and I am going to sleep)
> 
> Gianluigi
> 
> 
> Il 19/11/22 14:56, BB ha scritto:
>> Which is about as simple as I can get it, no mucking around with 
>> putting stuff in arrays, especially the data variables themselves.
> 
> But, if I'm not mistaken, the three dots (...) represent an array...
> 
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----


Last test.
This is variadic and may work for you.

Regards

Gianluigi
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From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Sun Nov 20 15:21:27 2022
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Mart=c3=adn_Belmonte?=)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 15:21:27 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] How to survey?
Message-ID: <d103a0b9-2d46-62e0-1dd1-033c381037e3@belmotek.net>

Hello friends.

For my photo organizer program I would like to add a list of devices so 
that the program recognizes, when connecting a USB device, if it is a 
phone or a camera as the location of the DCIM directory will depend on it.

I tried to do a poll on several places like Doddle.com but it only 
allows voting options.

Is there a website that allows to paste data anonymously?
This text can be a text string created for this purpose with a button in 
the program gambas something like:

vendor_id, vendor, model_id, model, type (phone, camera).

It seems to me that, if we come up with such a tool, it would allow us 
to keep updated statistics on which Linux distribution is being used in 
general, which version of gambas, etc. Data that would allow those who 
want to distribute software to know in advance what kind of packages to 
create or what components to avoid, for example in case the vast 
majority use gambas 3.15.2 to avoid using the Splitter control.

I also made a pastebin to show sample data:

https://pastebin.com/k2ShCGLv

Thanks.

Martin.


From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Sun Nov 20 17:28:21 2022
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Mart=c3=adn_Belmonte?=)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 17:28:21 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] How to survey?
In-Reply-To: <d103a0b9-2d46-62e0-1dd1-033c381037e3@belmotek.net>
References: <d103a0b9-2d46-62e0-1dd1-033c381037e3@belmotek.net>
Message-ID: <84648204-4860-c83c-c168-cf97d7a11587@belmotek.net>

ok, I prepared an anonymous survey, if you have time please send me the 
information of the devices you use to add to the list.

https://form.jotform.com/223234611150037

Thanks for participate.

Regards.

Martin.


From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Sun Nov 20 17:34:10 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 17:34:10 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Possible CDATE issue Latest version
In-Reply-To: <1668919188.373461906@f28.my.com>
References: <1209091373.8569.1668800190569.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
 <1256814817.8931.1668888851020.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
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Message-ID: <3a3ef801-4357-ae92-6020-eae807c2102b@gambas-basic.org>

Le 20/11/2022 ? 05:39, Brian G a ?crit?:
> Still all I feel all default conversion should use the same conversion, 
> regardless of the use. And then if anything different is needed it is up 
> to programmer.
> 
> The way it is is kind of unexpected for such a consistent language.
> 

It's just the 'Print' instruction that uses localized conversion by 
default, for the reason I told before. All other instructions uses 
non-localized conversion by default.

Anyway it's up to you to know what you are doing when relying on default 
conversion. Otherwise don't rely on it.

And by the way, it works like that since Gambas 1.0.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 17:38:09 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 11:38:09 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] How to survey?
In-Reply-To: <84648204-4860-c83c-c168-cf97d7a11587@belmotek.net>
References: <d103a0b9-2d46-62e0-1dd1-033c381037e3@belmotek.net>
 <84648204-4860-c83c-c168-cf97d7a11587@belmotek.net>
Message-ID: <7677e28e-88c7-b8b6-cb00-db9df1fa9767@gmail.com>

On 11/20/22 11:28, Mart?n Belmonte wrote:
> ok, I prepared an anonymous survey, if you have time please send me the information of the devices you use to add to the list.
> 
> https://form.jotform.com/223234611150037
> 
> Thanks for participate.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Martin.

Your survey says, "Please use the linux terminal command: jmtpfs -l"

There is no such command available on my system, and, according to the package manager, no such command provided by any package.


-- 
Lee


From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 17:39:21 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 18:39:21 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] How to survey?
In-Reply-To: <84648204-4860-c83c-c168-cf97d7a11587@belmotek.net>
References: <d103a0b9-2d46-62e0-1dd1-033c381037e3@belmotek.net>
 <84648204-4860-c83c-c168-cf97d7a11587@belmotek.net>
Message-ID: <CAFJMe7RLD8XZan85xwWuHKpHexuT88bp_tbqFbL_AnnOmMOj_Q@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, but this cannot be the right way to do it.
I would guess you can parse the needed info from some lsusb output or the
needed data is already collected.
You are not the first one dealing with the issue.

If nothing else, I would just look for the DCIM directory in a general way.


Jussi

On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 6:29 PM Mart?n Belmonte <mbelmonte at belmotek.net>
wrote:

> ok, I prepared an anonymous survey, if you have time please send me the
> information of the devices you use to add to the list.
>
> https://form.jotform.com/223234611150037
>
> Thanks for participate.
>
> Regards.
>
> Martin.
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From hans at gambas-buch.de  Sun Nov 20 17:47:24 2022
From: hans at gambas-buch.de (Hans Lehmann)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 17:47:24 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Property Webpage.Buffered
Message-ID: <d9633d20-4dbe-8efe-2287-0d534081ac82@gambas-buch.de>

Hello.

I need help regarding the meaning of setting the property 
Webpage.Buffered = True of the class Webpage (gb.web). The default value 
is False. To put it another way: Under what conditions does it make 
sense to set the value of the Webpage.Buffered property to `True`?

With kind regards

Hans
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From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Sun Nov 20 17:48:49 2022
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Mart=c3=adn_Belmonte?=)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 17:48:49 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] How to survey?
In-Reply-To: <CAFJMe7RLD8XZan85xwWuHKpHexuT88bp_tbqFbL_AnnOmMOj_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d103a0b9-2d46-62e0-1dd1-033c381037e3@belmotek.net>
 <84648204-4860-c83c-c168-cf97d7a11587@belmotek.net>
 <CAFJMe7RLD8XZan85xwWuHKpHexuT88bp_tbqFbL_AnnOmMOj_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49c027fa-4507-2938-bcbf-b2e8c3aae1bb@belmotek.net>

El 20/11/22 a las 17:39, Jussi Lahtinen escribi?:
> Sorry, but this cannot be the right way to do it.
> I would guess you can parse the needed info from some lsusb output or 
> the needed data is already collected.
> You are not the first one dealing with the issue.
>
> If nothing else, I would just look for the DCIM directory in a general 
> way.
>
Actually the problem is solved in the software by asking to the user buy 
this "solve" only is for this user, so i intent to made a way to inform 
about devises to create a database more useful that available in USB.ids.

Over the time the program no ask to the user only connect and enjoy. 
That is the idea.

Yes, the problem is always the same, but I try to delimit it down ergo, 
reduce it.


From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Sun Nov 20 17:49:17 2022
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Mart=c3=adn_Belmonte?=)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 17:49:17 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] How to survey?
In-Reply-To: <7677e28e-88c7-b8b6-cb00-db9df1fa9767@gmail.com>
References: <d103a0b9-2d46-62e0-1dd1-033c381037e3@belmotek.net>
 <84648204-4860-c83c-c168-cf97d7a11587@belmotek.net>
 <7677e28e-88c7-b8b6-cb00-db9df1fa9767@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c7dfd28-3bdc-c35d-9fde-e83096b1bcc4@belmotek.net>

If I remember well you use a distro RPM based right?

El 20/11/22 a las 17:38, T Lee Davidson escribi?:
> Your survey says, "Please use the linux terminal command: jmtpfs -l" 

From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Sun Nov 20 18:01:22 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 18:01:22 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Property Webpage.Buffered
In-Reply-To: <d9633d20-4dbe-8efe-2287-0d534081ac82@gambas-buch.de>
References: <d9633d20-4dbe-8efe-2287-0d534081ac82@gambas-buch.de>
Message-ID: <47b43147-f691-b0ce-4417-d0e28068f7f0@gambas-basic.org>

Le 20/11/2022 ? 17:47, Hans Lehmann a ?crit?:
> Hello.
> 
> I need help regarding the meaning of setting the property 
> Webpage.Buffered = True of the class Webpage (gb.web). The default value 
> is False. To put it another way: Under what conditions does it make 
> sense to set the value of the Webpage.Buffered property to `True`?
> 
> With kind regards
> 
> Hans
> 

If WebPage.Buffered is FALSE, the standard output is not buffered by 
Gambas. It means that the generated response is sent directly to the 
standard output, usually a HTTP server pipe.

If WebPage.Buffered is TRUE, the entire request response is buffered, 
and sent in one shot to the HTTP server.

In other words, when WebPage.Buffered is TRUE, you are sure that the 
client browser will receive the resulting HTML page (for example) the 
later as possible but in one shot.

Otherwise, the client browser may receive a partial answer to its 
request while the CGI script is generating it. A generated HTML page 
arrives faster, but the browser may display part of it while waiting the 
request to be completed.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From hans at gambas-buch.de  Sun Nov 20 18:17:14 2022
From: hans at gambas-buch.de (Hans Lehmann)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 18:17:14 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Property Webpage.Buffered
In-Reply-To: <47b43147-f691-b0ce-4417-d0e28068f7f0@gambas-basic.org>
References: <d9633d20-4dbe-8efe-2287-0d534081ac82@gambas-buch.de>
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Message-ID: <432a628d-839f-e288-f2fc-945216708892@gambas-buch.de>

Hello Beno?t.

Thank you very much for your prompt and detailed reply.

With kind regards

Hans
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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Sun Nov 20 21:13:03 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 21:13:03 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] WebPage and external files
In-Reply-To: <21737dd1-7a82-e2e7-c470-a54f0bc2cce6@gmail.com>
References: <a65ca062-79f8-e250-2c25-3953d318c6df@gambas-buch.de>
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Le 16/11/2022 ? 02:41, T Lee Davidson a ?crit?:
> 
> [I apologize to the members of this list for the lack of context as the 
> other half of this conversation has been sent to me off-list.]
> 
> That particular project works fine with the IDE's embedded http server. 
> However, it does not work as expected on either Apache or Lighttpd web 
> servers.
> 
> It appears that the files, linked in the WebPage using 
> <%=Application.Root%>, are provided to the server by the Gambas 
> executable (eg. the path for style.css in the project's Public directory 
> is <Document_Root>/webapp.gambas/style.css).
> 
> This does not work on the web servers, apparently, due to what the 
> executable is providing to the server as hinted at by this browser 
> console error message:
> The stylesheet http://localhost:8888/~user/webapp.gambas/style.css was 
> not loaded because its MIME type, ?text/html?, is not ?text/css?.
> 
> Indeed, what the server is receiving is the actual HTML of the page 
> itself as can be seen by the attached pic.
> 
> 
> I think it is a bug. But, I could be wrong.
> 

There is no support in 'gb.web' to serve the '.public' directory of the 
project, but the embedded http server has it!

So when you run the project from the IDE, it works, but when you run the 
CGI executable through a web server, it does not!

I don't know what I wanted to do when doing this mess, because if 
'gb.web' serves the '.public' directory, there is no need anymore to do 
that from the embedded http server...

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Sun Nov 20 21:18:13 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 21:18:13 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] WebPage and external files
In-Reply-To: <2feb27b9-b6a1-9300-b9e1-906af200cab4@gambas-basic.org>
References: <a65ca062-79f8-e250-2c25-3953d318c6df@gambas-buch.de>
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Le 20/11/2022 ? 21:13, Benoit Minisini a ?crit?:
>>
>> I think it is a bug. But, I could be wrong.
>>
> 
> There is no support in 'gb.web' to serve the '.public' directory of the 
> project, but the embedded http server has it!
> 
> So when you run the project from the IDE, it works, but when you run the 
> CGI executable through a web server, it does not!
> 
> I don't know what I wanted to do when doing this mess, because if 
> 'gb.web' serves the '.public' directory, there is no need anymore to do 
> that from the embedded http server...
> 

The problem shoud have been fixed by commit 
https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/-/commit/36b425aef11acd36d6681351af09370f99a24cbe.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Sun Nov 20 20:47:34 2022
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I know, I am in fact a little thick, 
Sorry
--
Thanks
Brian G Sunday, 20 November 2022, 08:35AM -08:00 from Benoit Minisini  benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org :

>Le 20/11/2022 ? 05:39, Brian G a ?crit?:
> Still all I feel all default conversion should use the same conversion, 
> regardless of the use. And then if anything different is needed it is up 
> to programmer.
>
> The way it is is kind of unexpected for such a consistent language.
>
>
>It's just the 'Print' instruction that uses localized conversion by 
>default, for the reason I told before. All other instructions uses 
>non-localized conversion by default.
>
>Anyway it's up to you to know what you are doing when relying on default 
>conversion. Otherwise don't rely on it.
>
>And by the way, it works like that since Gambas 1.0.
>
>-- 
>Beno?t Minisini.
>
>
>----[  http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From gambas at cd-bahia.com  Sun Nov 20 22:33:07 2022
From: gambas at cd-bahia.com (Dag JNJ)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 22:33:07 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Problem with String[]
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Am 18.11.22 um 17:51 schrieb T Lee Davidson:
> On 11/17/22 13:25, Dag JNJ wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I have defined this:
>>
>> P/ublic arorder As New String[]//
>> //Public arorderb As New String[]//
>> /
>> and make this in a subroutine:
>>
>> /??? arorder.Add(fld)//
>> //??? arorderb.Add(ada)
>>
>> ///
>> /fld/ contains a field name, /ada/ = "ASC"
>>
>> the first assignment with /aroder/ succeeds, the second with 
>> /arorderb/ makes an error : null object
>> I can't see any difference between these objects, and they are only 
>> changed in? this routine (so far).
>> I am thankful for any help, allt he best, Dag JNJ
>
> It is quite difficult to determine what may be causing that without 
> seeing the full code. Perhaps somewhere 'arorderb' is getting 
> nullified. Can you pare it down to a small project, that reproduces 
> the issue, that you can share?
>
>

Thanks for the feedback.
I made a silly (beginners!) error.

I defined EKT_order and EKT_orderby by like this:? _
/Public EKT_order as ////New //String[]
///Public EKT_orderby as String[]

//and called a Procedure

/MakeOrderType(EKT order , ///EKT orderby,/, fld , Column)

//Public Procedure MakeOrderType(arorder As String[], arordorb As 
String[], fld As String, clmn As Byte)

/Shame on me, cost me almost two days seeking the error. I just forgot 
New. Found it at last. Really embarrassing.

Best regards,
Dag
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From bagoneo at libero.it  Sun Nov 20 23:21:20 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 23:21:20 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
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Il 20/11/22 14:37, gian via User ha scritto:

> 
> 
> Last test.
> This is variadic and may work for you.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Gianluigi
> 
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

I apologize, there was a logical error in loading the offset matrix in 
case of center column and iLenght even number.
I have remedied this in the attached version

Regards

Gianluigi
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Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 23:42:54 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] How to survey?
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El 20/11/22 a las 17:38, T Lee Davidson escribi?:
> Your survey says, "Please use the linux terminal command: jmtpfs -l"
> There is no such command available on my system, and, according to the 
> package manager, no such command provided by any package. 
OK, I did some research on the subject.
It turns out that the *jmtp* program is not available on some distributions.

Here is the result:

|          |  JMTPFS | SIMPLE-MTPFS| MTPFS |

|----------|---------|-------------|-------|

| ARCH     |   NO    |     NO      |  YES  |

| UBUNTU   |   YES   |     NO      |  NO   |

| FEDORA   |   YES   |     YES     |  NO   |

| OPENSUSE |   NO    |     YES     |  NO   |

| DEBIAN   |   YES   |     NO      |  NO   |

If you have *OpenSuse* please try the *simple-mtpfs* program and if you 
can send the output of the program detailing the operating system and 
the program used.

I will try on manjaro (*arch*) and see what happens with the *mtpfs* 
program.

The code that reads the output is the following (for now).

Does anyone have something done using the libmtp library directly ?

I have redone from scratch the interfaces and this is what it will look 
like. but nothing works yet, I will upload it shortly when it works.

https://imgur.com/nrOC1V9.png

Best regards.



From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 00:47:16 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 10:17:16 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
In-Reply-To: <a0dada63-e71e-0de3-4fa5-d14314cf2b53@libero.it>
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Tried it out with a few changes.

Dim aState As Integer[] = [spRight, spRight, spLeft, spRight, spRightPlus, spCenter]
   Dim aSpace As Integer[] = [6, 44, 15, 12, 20, 17]
   PrintVarPad(aState, aSpace, True, "ACCT", "NAME", "BALANCE", "PHONE", "DUE", "OTHER STUFF")
   PrintVarPad(aState, aSpace, False, 12345, "Doris Day", Format(45.67, "$,#.00"), "N/A", Now(), Round(Pi, -7))
   PrintVarPad(aState, aSpace, False, 145, "Michaelango Vesputti", Format(125.67, "$,#.00"), Null, Date(Now() - 1))
   PrintVarPad(aState, aSpace, False, 45, "Bozo the Dog", Format(0.05, "$,#.00"), "Woof")
   PrintVarPad(aState, aSpace, False, 666, "The Devil Incarnate Himself", Format(-6666, "$,#.00"), "0666-666-666", Date(666))
   PrintVarPad(aState, aSpace, False, 427, "?Jim Bo?", Format(75.5, "$,#.00"), "0416-763-274 ext 42", Date(2023, 5, 1, 12, 30), 1)

Giving

ACCT  NAME                                             BALANCEPHONE         DUE                    OTHER STUFF
----- ------------------------------------------- ----------- ----------- --------------------- ----------------
12345 Doris Day                                         $45.67N/A           21/11/2022 09:50:00     3.1415927
145   Michaelango Vesputti                             $125.67              20/11/2022 00:00:00
45    Bozo the Dog                                       $0.05Woof
666   The Devil Incarnate Hi?                       -$6,666.000666-666-666  28/10/-4800 00:00:00
427   ?Jim Bo?                                          $75.50*failed (Bad argument at line 62) here because the input string is too wide*

1) the account column is not right aligned.

2) even though the name column is now wide enough to cope with the 
longest name it is still eliding?

3) the three dots are the elision character from the "special 
characters" dropdown. It only takes one character so as much of the 
string as possible is visible.

4) the balance column does not resize no matter what I set the column 
width to. Also it is overflowing the actual column width by one character.

5) negative dates overflow the allowed column width

6) text that is too wide to fit in the phone column caused it to fail as 
it it trying to pad with a negative number of spaces.

I do like the ability to center a column but I doubt that I would ever 
need it.

It's a good proof of using column widths though. As I said previously I 
went for the column number approach though. One reason for that is I can 
copy the original "ragged" edge output from the console panel and paste 
it into Geany. It is fairly quick therein to pad out a representative 
line with tabs and that gives me the column numbers I need i.e. no need 
to calculate column widths. Mneh! Others may prefer your way.

b

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From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 02:44:24 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 20:44:24 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] Problem with String[]
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References: <b42c1ac3-5a20-6050-e594-a5cdc346e5dc@cd-bahia.com>
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On 11/20/22 16:33, Dag JNJ wrote:
> Shame on me, cost me almost two days seeking the error. I just forgot New. Found it at last. Really embarrassing.

I can't count how many times I have done the same thing.


-- 
Lee


From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 02:47:26 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 12:17:26 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Problem with String[]
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On 21/11/22 12:14 pm, T Lee Davidson wrote:
> On 11/20/22 16:33, Dag JNJ wrote:
>> Shame on me, cost me almost two days seeking the error. I just forgot 
>> New. Found it at last. Really embarrassing.
>
> I can't count how many times I have done the same thing.
>
>
Its an "old" thing, as in how "old" you are ?.

From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 03:06:21 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 21:06:21 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] Problem with String[]
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On 11/20/22 20:47, BB wrote:
> 
> On 21/11/22 12:14 pm, T Lee Davidson wrote:
>> On 11/20/22 16:33, Dag JNJ wrote:
>>> Shame on me, cost me almost two days seeking the error. I just forgot New. Found it at last. Really embarrassing.
>>
>> I can't count how many times I have done the same thing.
>>
>>
> Its an "old" thing, as in how "old" you are ?.

Lol, I think you're right, Bruce. It seems the older I get, the more I can't count.


-- 
Lee


From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 03:35:40 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 04:35:40 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Problem with String[]
In-Reply-To: <f4999a33-c00e-0afe-e7cb-3fb291185105@cd-bahia.com>
References: <b42c1ac3-5a20-6050-e594-a5cdc346e5dc@cd-bahia.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFJMe7TeehgCe6uNvD7rAXXXuU58WNs5z5de44qv=CuJnObKvA@mail.gmail.com>

Advice for the next time, two ways:

1. Start your program and pause it (or start it by step). Open the
debugging tab (right next to the console tab) and add expression(s) for
watch, example "EKT_orderby = null".
Restart or continue running the program and now it stops right away when
the condition you gave is satisfied. If this doesn't work for some reason,
try #2 below.

2. When the error happens see the stack (many times just browsing the stack
is enough to see what happened) and place a breakpoint approx in the middle
of it.
Run the program again repeating the thing that raises the error, and see if
the object is still null at this point, if so repeat (considering the
current line as the error). If not, place the next breakpoint between that
line and the occurrence of the actual error. Repeat until you see the
offending line.

By using these methods, you should find this kind of problem in just a few
minutes, even from a very big project.
I have a 50k lines project and finding forgotten "new" has never been a
problem. But sometimes you just don't see what is front of you. In that
case sleep might help...


Jussi


On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 11:34 PM Dag JNJ <gambas at cd-bahia.com> wrote:

>
>
> Am 18.11.22 um 17:51 schrieb T Lee Davidson:
>
> On 11/17/22 13:25, Dag JNJ wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I have defined this:
>
> P/ublic arorder As New String[]//
> //Public arorderb As New String[]//
> /
> and make this in a subroutine:
>
> /    arorder.Add(fld)//
> //    arorderb.Add(ada)
>
> ///
> /fld/ contains a field name, /ada/ = "ASC"
>
> the first assignment with /aroder/ succeeds, the second with /arorderb/
> makes an error : null object
> I can't see any difference between these objects, and they are only
> changed in  this routine (so far).
> I am thankful for any help, allt he best, Dag JNJ
>
>
> It is quite difficult to determine what may be causing that without seeing
> the full code. Perhaps somewhere 'arorderb' is getting nullified. Can you
> pare it down to a small project, that reproduces the issue, that you can
> share?
>
>
>
> Thanks for the feedback.
> I made a silly (beginners!) error.
>
> I defined EKT_order and EKT_orderby by like this:  _
> *Public EKT_order as *
> *New  String[] *
>
> *Public EKT_orderby as String[] *and called a Procedure
>
> *MakeOrderType(EKT order , *
>
> *EKT orderby,, fld , Column) *
>
> *Public Procedure MakeOrderType(arorder As String[], arordorb As String[],
> fld As String, clmn As Byte) *Shame on me, cost me almost two days
> seeking the error. I just forgot New. Found it at last. Really embarrassing.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Dag
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 03:52:53 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 13:22:53 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Problem with String[]
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On 21/11/22 1:05 pm, Jussi Lahtinen wrote:
> Advice for the next time, two ways:
>
> 1. Start your program and pause it (or start it by step). Open the 
> debugging tab (right next to the console tab) and add expression(s) 
> for watch, example "EKT_orderby = null".
> Restart or continue running the program and now it stops right away 
> when the condition you gave is satisfied. If this doesn't work for 
> some reason, try #2 below.
>
> 2. When the error happens see the stack (many times just browsing the 
> stack is enough to see what happened) and place a breakpoint approx in 
> the middle of it.
> Run the program again repeating the thing that raises the error, and 
> see if the object is still null at this point, if so repeat 
> (considering the current line as the error). If not, place the next 
> breakpoint between that line and the occurrence of the actual error. 
> Repeat until you see the offending line.
>
> By using these methods, you should find this kind of problem in just a 
> few minutes, even from a very big project.
> I have a 50k lines project and finding forgotten "new" has never been 
> a problem. But sometimes you just don't see what is front of you. In 
> that case sleep might help...
>
>
> Jussi
>
> Good points, I'd like to add that when looking at the stack make sure 
> your eyes are sharp. I just spent 2 hours trying to find why an event 
> was fired twice and finally found that the stacktrace on the second 
> time (which seemed to be exactly the same as the first)? differed to 
> the first time by _one llne number_! It took me many tries to actually 
> see it. Amazing how the brain fools itself.

As you can see I even had to "rub out" the parts of the screenshots that 
were the same until I finally found it!

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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 08:16:17 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 17:46:17 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Debug inside components
Message-ID: <bee3b31f-ecba-5feb-497b-7fb349727a9a@gmail.com>

I, read "bruce" has a problem with this.

I am trying to debug a local component made up of a gridview with added 
special sauces.

I have a problem with my Sort routine inside it. But when I try to run 
it in step mode in a client project that uses "myGridView" I have to 
wade through 20 gazillion bits of the native classes before I can get to 
myGridView code.

Is there any way I can run the project in the IDE and only pause when it 
gets to MyGridView.Sort()? I've tried loading the myGridView code in the 
IDE for the client project and setting a breakpoint but that didn't help.

b


From bagoneo at libero.it  Mon Nov 21 09:31:12 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 09:31:12 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
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Il 21/11/22 00:47, BB ha scritto:
> Tried it out with a few changes.
> 
> Dim aState As Integer[] = [spRight, spRight, spLeft, spRight, spRightPlus, spCenter]
>    Dim aSpace As Integer[] = [6, 44, 15, 12, 20, 17]
>    PrintVarPad(aState, aSpace, True, "ACCT", "NAME", "BALANCE", "PHONE", "DUE", "OTHER STUFF")
>    PrintVarPad(aState, aSpace, False, 12345, "Doris Day", Format(45.67, "$,#.00"), "N/A", Now(), Round(Pi, -7))
>    PrintVarPad(aState, aSpace, False, 145, "Michaelango Vesputti", Format(125.67, "$,#.00"), Null, Date(Now() - 1))
>    PrintVarPad(aState, aSpace, False, 45, "Bozo the Dog", Format(0.05, "$,#.00"), "Woof")
>    PrintVarPad(aState, aSpace, False, 666, "The Devil Incarnate Himself", Format(-6666, "$,#.00"), "0666-666-666", Date(666))
>    PrintVarPad(aState, aSpace, False, 427, "?Jim Bo?", Format(75.5, "$,#.00"), "0416-763-274 ext 42", Date(2023, 5, 1, 12, 30), 1)
> 
> Giving
> 
> ACCT  NAME                                             BALANCEPHONE         DUE                    OTHER STUFF
> ----- ------------------------------------------- ----------- ----------- --------------------- ----------------
> 12345 Doris Day                                         $45.67N/A           21/11/2022 09:50:00     3.1415927
> 145   Michaelango Vesputti                             $125.67              20/11/2022 00:00:00
> 45    Bozo the Dog                                       $0.05Woof
> 666   The Devil Incarnate Hi?                       -$6,666.000666-666-666  28/10/-4800 00:00:00
> 427   ?Jim Bo?                                          $75.50*failed (Bad argument at line 62) here because the input string is too wide*
> 
> 1) the account column is not right aligned.
> 
> 2) even though the name column is now wide enough to cope with the 
> longest name it is still eliding?
> 
> 3) the three dots are the elision character from the "special 
> characters" dropdown. It only takes one character so as much of the 
> string as possible is visible.
> 
> 4) the balance column does not resize no matter what I set the column 
> width to. Also it is overflowing the actual column width by one character.
> 
> 5) negative dates overflow the allowed column width
> 
> 6) text that is too wide to fit in the phone column caused it to fail as 
> it it trying to pad with a negative number of spaces.
> 
> I do like the ability to center a column but I doubt that I would ever 
> need it.
> 
> It's a good proof of using column widths though. As I said previously I 
> went for the column number approach though. One reason for that is I can 
> copy the original "ragged" edge output from the console panel and paste 
> it into Geany. It is fairly quick therein to pad out a representative 
> line with tabs and that gives me the column numbers I need i.e. no need 
> to calculate column widths. Mneh! Others may prefer your way.
> 
> b

Mine was just a suggestion.
I am convinced that it is easily improved, such as in the case you 
posted (aSpace As Integer[] = [6, 44, 15, 12, 20, 17]):

'---------------------------------------
Private Sub PrintVarPad(aState As Integer[], aSpace As Integer[], bTitle 
As Boolean, ...)

   Dim aField As Variant = Param.All
   Dim iSpaceTwo As Integer = aSpace[2]
   Dim iSpaceOne As Integer = aSpace[1]

   For i As Integer = 0 To Param.Max
     If TypeOf(aField[i]) <> 9 Then Try aField[i] = Str(aField[i])
     If Error Then aField[i] = "No Data"
     Select Case i
       Case 1
         If Len(aField[i]) > iSpaceOne Then aField[i] = 
String.Left(aField[i], iSpaceOne) & "..."
       Case 2
         If String.Left(aField[i]) = "-" Then
           aField[2] = "\e[31m" & aField[2] & "\e[0m"
           aSpace[i] += 9
         Endif
       Case 4
         If Len(aField[i]) > 20 Then aField[i] = String.Left(aField[i], 
17) & "..."
       Case 5
         If Len(aField[i]) > 16 Then aField[i] = String.Left(aField[i], 
11) & "..."
     End Select
     Print PadString(aField[i], aSpace[i], " ", aState[i]);
     aSpace[2] = iSpaceTwo
   Next
   Print
   If bTitle Then
     For i = 0 To aField.Max
       Print String(aSpace[i] + $aOffset[i] - 1, "-"); "+";
     Next
     Print
     $aOffset.Clear
   Endif

End
'-------------------------------------

If you messed up the numbers in your code what would happen?

Regards

Gianluigi


From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 09:42:11 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 19:12:11 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
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On 21/11/22 7:01 pm, gian via User wrote:
> Mine was just a suggestion.
> I am convinced that it is easily improved, such as in the case you 
> posted (aSpace As Integer[] = [6, 44, 15, 12, 20, 17]):
>
> ... 8<
I have taken a couple of things from your ideas and incorporated them. 
So you are in the authors list, so there ?.
>
> If you messed up the numbers in your code what would happen?
>
In general, or in what I have tested with mine so far, it doesn't matter 
as it either elides any item or tells me I have an underflow (-ve 
padding) problem by printing an upside down "?".

Anyway, never mind. I have now a gridview problem to solve. ?

regards

b


From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 09:57:56 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 19:27:56 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Debug inside components
In-Reply-To: <bee3b31f-ecba-5feb-497b-7fb349727a9a@gmail.com>
References: <bee3b31f-ecba-5feb-497b-7fb349727a9a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b227d885-3c0b-79af-b128-f5507ebebfe8@gmail.com>


On 21/11/22 5:46 pm, BB wrote:
> I, read "bruce" has a problem with this.
>
> I am trying to debug a local component made up of a gridview with 
> added special sauces.
>
> I have a problem with my Sort routine inside it. But when I try to run 
> it in step mode in a client project that uses "myGridView" I have to 
> wade through 20 gazillion bits of the native classes before I can get 
> to myGridView code.
>
> Is there any way I can run the project in the IDE and only pause when 
> it gets to MyGridView.Sort()? I've tried loading the myGridView code 
> in the IDE for the client project and setting a breakpoint but that 
> didn't help.
>
> b
>

From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 09:59:30 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 19:29:30 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Debug inside components
In-Reply-To: <b227d885-3c0b-79af-b128-f5507ebebfe8@gmail.com>
References: <bee3b31f-ecba-5feb-497b-7fb349727a9a@gmail.com>
 <b227d885-3c0b-79af-b128-f5507ebebfe8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8a4797b2-c5c1-cc18-a8e7-5e8758e66ca0@gmail.com>

Graaghh! Bloody Thunderbird!

From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 10:00:27 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 19:30:27 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Debug inside components
In-Reply-To: <bee3b31f-ecba-5feb-497b-7fb349727a9a@gmail.com>
References: <bee3b31f-ecba-5feb-497b-7fb349727a9a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ff01ac66-edbc-6d66-c3f2-200599b59e3d@gmail.com>

More mystery.

I stuck a Stop inside the "mygridview" and now I get

hmmm.

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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Mon Nov 21 13:32:49 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 13:32:49 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Debug inside components
In-Reply-To: <bee3b31f-ecba-5feb-497b-7fb349727a9a@gmail.com>
References: <bee3b31f-ecba-5feb-497b-7fb349727a9a@gmail.com>
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Le 21/11/2022 ? 08:16, BB a ?crit?:
> I, read "bruce" has a problem with this.
> 
> I am trying to debug a local component made up of a gridview with added 
> special sauces.
> 
> I have a problem with my Sort routine inside it. But when I try to run 
> it in step mode in a client project that uses "myGridView" I have to 
> wade through 20 gazillion bits of the native classes before I can get to 
> myGridView code.
> 
> Is there any way I can run the project in the IDE and only pause when it 
> gets to MyGridView.Sort()? I've tried loading the myGridView code in the 
> IDE for the client project and setting a breakpoint but that didn't help.
> 
> b
> 
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

You must check the "debug inside components" option in the IDE.

Then, while debugging, you must step inside any part of your component.

Then the IDE will ask you for the location of the source code project of 
the component (mandatory).

If it is too difficult, you can use the STOP instruction somewhere in 
your component to force the debugger to stop inside it.

Then you will be able to open any source file of the component from the 
IDE and put any breakpoint where you want.

Note : this is not 100% reliable yet.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 14:30:08 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 13:30:08 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] MenuButton quirk, event inside event(gtk)
Message-ID: <CABuQYCDDitVKzmemmEHpjHFbA_5NMLinFh2Vib5UnV10GPvNdw@mail.gmail.com>

So i made that custom Form.Class that overrides ShowModal and Show to set
window placement relevant to calling form/mouse pos/etc

I found it worked really well apart from one problem with a gtk MenuButton.
If i called Message() from within a MenuButton Click() event i got various
issues like the message window buttons needed clicking twice as the
menubutton seemed to still have the mouse grabbed. on some programs
pressing a Message button would pop open the message window again,
sometimes with double the buttons?  many odd quirks.

Until i copied MenuButton.class and made the Button_Click() event trigger
the Click event by using a timer instead of inside the event.

This fixed all the problems as it seems the MenuButton can now release
mouse-grab and stuff.

Could this be a "You shouldn't do that inside an event handler" type of
thing?
Or is it just a bug in gb.gtk as this does not happen with QT only gtk2 &
gtk3

I've attached the test project that can be run that has 2 menubuttons, one
original one modified to see the difference when clicking.


Respects
BruceS
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From bagoneo at libero.it  Mon Nov 21 15:42:38 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 15:42:38 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
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Il 21/11/22 09:42, BB ha scritto:
> Inline
> 
> On 21/11/22 7:01 pm, gian via User wrote:
>> Mine was just a suggestion.
>> I am convinced that it is easily improved, such as in the case you 
>> posted (aSpace As Integer[] = [6, 44, 15, 12, 20, 17]):
>>
>> ... 8<
> I have taken a couple of things from your ideas and incorporated them. 
> So you are in the authors list, so there ?.
>>

:-D

>> If you messed up the numbers in your code what would happen?
>>
> In general, or in what I have tested with mine so far, it doesn't matter 
> as it either elides any item or tells me I have an underflow (-ve 
> padding) problem by printing an upside down "?".
> 
> Anyway, never mind. I have now a gridview problem to solve. ?
> 
> regards
> 
> b
> 
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

I didn't mean to be pushy, just that the idea of a very light report is 
intriguing and interests me.

I just got back from a dentist's office and now I am more serene even 
though I have less money and more pain. :-(

I saw that earlier in the submitted code I managed to insert a new bug ;-D
If Len(aField[i]) > iSpaceOne Then aField[i] = String.Left(aField[i], 
iSpaceOne) & "..."
I think it should be
If Len(aField[i]) > iSpaceOne Then aField[i] = String.Left(aField[i], 
iSpaceOne - 1) & "..."
I used your font :-)

Best wishes for the gidview

Regards

Gianluigi

P.S. gb.report2 is fabulous and I really like it !



From bagoneo at libero.it  Mon Nov 21 15:52:33 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 15:52:33 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] MenuButton quirk, event inside event(gtk)
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Il 21/11/22 14:30, Bruce Steers ha scritto:
> I found it worked really well apart from one problem with a gtk MenuButton.
> If i called Message() from within a MenuButton Click() event i got 
> various issues like the message window buttons needed clicking twice as 
> the menubutton seemed to still have the mouse grabbed. on some programs 
> pressing a Message button would pop open the message window again, 
> sometimes with double the buttons?? many odd quirks.
> 
> ...
> 
> I've attached the test project that can be run that has 2 menubuttons, 
> one original one modified to see the difference when clicking.


In Ubuntu 20.04 I get the malfunction as you described, but only if the 
IDE uses gtk.
If the IDE uda QT5 even if the project uses gtk3 (gb.gui) then the 
operation is the same.

I hope I have explained myself

Regards

Gianluigi

From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 16:03:29 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 01:33:29 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] MenuButton quirk, event inside event(gtk)
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On 22/11/22 12:00 am, Bruce Steers wrote:
> Or is it just a bug in gb.gtk as this does not happen with QT only 
> gtk2 & gtk3

The words (that I live by) "*eschew GTK*" leap to mind here. ? (Which 
is probably why your original great idea works so well here!)

> Could this be a "You shouldn't do that inside an event handler" type 
> of thing?
Did you mean?
> Could this be a "You shouldn't *ever ever ever *do that inside an 
> event handler" type of thing?
... "and it's No, nay, never, No, nay never again will I ever stick 
events inside event handlers", unless I forget and then wonder about the 
stack overflows or other strange and exotic happenings that occur 
unexpectedly and without prior notice or even a hint of the slightest 
sign of concern for the sanity of your average Aussie Gambas coder .

and it's only Tuesday.

b

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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 20:15:03 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 19:15:03 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] MenuButton quirk, event inside event(gtk)
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On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 at 14:53, gian via User <user at lists.gambas-basic.org>
wrote:

> Il 21/11/22 14:30, Bruce Steers ha scritto:
> > I found it worked really well apart from one problem with a gtk
> MenuButton.
> > If i called Message() from within a MenuButton Click() event i got
> > various issues like the message window buttons needed clicking twice as
> > the menubutton seemed to still have the mouse grabbed. on some programs
> > pressing a Message button would pop open the message window again,
> > sometimes with double the buttons?  many odd quirks.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > I've attached the test project that can be run that has 2 menubuttons,
> > one original one modified to see the difference when clicking.
>
>
> In Ubuntu 20.04 I get the malfunction as you described, but only if the
> IDE uses gtk.
> If the IDE uda QT5 even if the project uses gtk3 (gb.gui) then the
> operation is the same.
>
> I hope I have explained myself
>

I think so but I do not get the same thing,
if I run the IDE with QT5 i get exactly the same results as with the IDE in
GTK3.
Mint/21/MATE

BruceS
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 20:35:25 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 19:35:25 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] MenuButton quirk, event inside event(gtk)
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On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 at 15:04, BB <adamnt42 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 22/11/22 12:00 am, Bruce Steers wrote:
>
> Or is it just a bug in gb.gtk as this does not happen with QT only gtk2 &
> gtk3
>
> The words (that I live by) "*eschew GTK*" leap to mind here. ? (Which is
> probably why your original great idea works so well here!)
>
I thought it was a complete winner till i noticed the MenuButton
misbehaving :(  stupid gtk
have been adding it to most of my programs using the StickToMouse option.
then noticed a glitch in GambasLatestUpdater

> Could this be a "You shouldn't do that inside an event handler" type of
> thing?
>
> Did you mean?
>
> Could this be a "You shouldn't *ever ever ever *do that inside an event
> handler" type of thing?
>
> ... "and it's No, nay, never, No, nay never again will I ever stick events
> inside event handlers", unless I forget and then wonder about the stack
> overflows or other strange and exotic happenings that occur unexpectedly
> and without prior notice or even a hint of the slightest sign of concern
> for the sanity of your average Aussie Gambas coder .
>
> and it's only Tuesday.
>
> b
>
haha :)
Yes I mean something like that, getting out of the event handler asap has
fixed many a problem for me (especially with compound controls) but I'm
talking about Ben's code so gotta tread lightly here ;)
I'm hoping to nudge giving MenuButton.class (or gb.gtk3) a quick once over
to see if he's got a better fix for this gtk only MenuButton glitch.

Respects
BruceS
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From bagoneo at libero.it  Mon Nov 21 22:50:32 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 22:50:32 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] MenuButton quirk, event inside event(gtk)
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Il 21/11/22 20:15, Bruce Steers ha scritto:
> I think so but I do not get the same thing,
> if I run the IDE with QT5 i get exactly the same results as with the IDE 
> in GTK3.
> Mint/21/MATE
> 
> BruceS

You can see the behavior with the IDE - qt5 in the zipped video at this 
link:
https://paste.c-net.org/PaulineLandis

Regards

Gianluigi

From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 01:08:22 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 00:08:22 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] MenuButton quirk, event inside event(gtk)
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On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 at 21:51, gian via User <user at lists.gambas-basic.org>
wrote:

> Il 21/11/22 20:15, Bruce Steers ha scritto:
> > I think so but I do not get the same thing,
> > if I run the IDE with QT5 i get exactly the same results as with the IDE
> > in GTK3.
> > Mint/21/MATE
> >
> > BruceS
>
> You can see the behavior with the IDE - qt5 in the zipped video at this
> link:
> https://paste.c-net.org/PaulineLandis
>
> Regards
>
> Gianluigi
>

Yes , the only function of concern is clicking the MenuButton (not the menu
arrow) and with StickyModals on.
The 2 menu buttons on the right, the menus do nothing but clicking them
pops open a test message centered to the main window (or mouse if
StickToMouse is selected).

The MenuButton to the left is original gb.form, the one to the right is
modified code to use a Timer to raise the Click event and not Raise it in
the Button_Click event.

I find with the original MenuButton to the left that when the message pops
up (not moving it first) I have to press the buttons twice, the first click
does nothing. it's busy for some reason.
The custom MenuButton to the right that uses the timer does not have this
issue.

and i find the issue is there when the program is debugged or run with gtk
regardless of what the IDE uses.

Respects
BruceS
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 11:13:29 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 20:43:29 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] GitLab classic.
Message-ID: <d352ef8e-e4f5-0d6f-5fce-cc1901b7986a@gmail.com>

AH elision where is thy sting

@Gianluigi, There that's what the 3 dots mean.

@Benoit, Strange I haven't found that routine. Must look harder

@BruceS, Be quiet and get on with your piano practice

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From kicking177 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 11:16:23 2022
From: kicking177 at gmail.com (KKing)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 10:16:23 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] CDate ... again
Message-ID: <c392523c-6565-3ae3-d90b-0f221e915133@gmail.com>

well my 2 pence ( do we have a CCur for your local currency :---?

first and foremost if Gambas has done something a set way since 1.0 then 
it should stay as is for backward compatibility.
With the exception of if optional arguments could be added to add extra 
functionality without destabilising existing code use of old mechanism.

Having said that I would have expected that CStr and CDate should 
convert to and from a string to a date without any time zone conversion 
at all.

If a time zone affected date time representation is required that should 
have been a separate function with a more implicit name making clear it 
is TZ affected representation.
Or as an optional argument to the original functions.

K.


From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 12:39:17 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 11:39:17 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] unable to add to wiki
Message-ID: <CABuQYCD3YUHLCi-8bn77vLi4jQq-BvcG5ft-3yrxLiYiHt76OQ@mail.gmail.com>

when i hit "Save" in the wiki edit i get an error at gambaswiki.org

Been like it for a week at least.

BruceS
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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Tue Nov 22 13:31:18 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 13:31:18 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] unable to add to wiki
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Le 22/11/2022 ? 12:39, Bruce Steers a ?crit?:
> when i hit "Save" in the wiki edit i get an error at gambaswiki.org 
> <http://gambaswiki.org>
> 
> Been like it for a week at least.
> 
> BruceS
> 

I have no problem...

Is it for all pages you are editing or for a specific one?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 14:03:49 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 13:03:49 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] unable to add to wiki
In-Reply-To: <17f1105f-f1f9-fd93-3a49-6428c9f4c14c@gambas-basic.org>
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 at 12:32, Benoit Minisini <
benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org> wrote:

> Le 22/11/2022 ? 12:39, Bruce Steers a ?crit :
> > when i hit "Save" in the wiki edit i get an error at gambaswiki.org
> > <http://gambaswiki.org>
> >
> > Been like it for a week at least.
> >
> > BruceS
> >
>
> I have no problem...
>
> Is it for all pages you are editing or for a specific one?
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini.
>

Aah i didn't try another, yes it seems a specific page..
http://gambaswiki.org/edit/doc/library
Respects
BruceS
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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Tue Nov 22 14:20:30 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 14:20:30 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] unable to add to wiki
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCA=BsU-PWxJ=4O3zV-okhwok_nAo1cPBnr3aJb62V-+xQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Le 22/11/2022 ? 14:03, Bruce Steers a ?crit?:
> 
> 
> On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 at 12:32, Benoit Minisini 
> <benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org 
> <mailto:benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org>> wrote:
> 
>     Le 22/11/2022 ? 12:39, Bruce Steers a ?crit?:
>      > when i hit "Save" in the wiki edit i get an error at
>     gambaswiki.org <http://gambaswiki.org>
>      > <http://gambaswiki.org <http://gambaswiki.org>>
>      >
>      > Been like it for a week at least.
>      >
>      > BruceS
>      >
> 
>     I have no problem...
> 
>     Is it for all pages you are editing or for a specific one?
> 
>     -- 
>     Beno?t Minisini.
> 
> 
> Aah i didn't try another, yes it seems a specific page..
> http://gambaswiki.org/edit/doc/library 
> <http://gambaswiki.org/edit/doc/library>
> Respects
> BruceS
> 

It's the company I'm working for that hosts the wiki. They decided to 
add a global sniffer that cancel any HTTP request whose contents match 
"some" patterns.

A really stupid "security" tool that breaks a lot of perfectly valid 
requests because they include something like "SELECT * FROM" inside (for 
example).

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Tue Nov 22 14:21:52 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 14:21:52 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] unable to add to wiki
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Le 22/11/2022 ? 14:20, Benoit Minisini a ?crit?:
> 
> It's the company I'm working for that hosts the wiki. They decided to 
> add a global sniffer that cancel any HTTP request whose contents match 
> "some" patterns.
> 
> A really stupid "security" tool that breaks a lot of perfectly valid 
> requests because they include something like "SELECT * FROM" inside (for 
> example).
> 
> Regards,
> 

Of course, they are unable to give me the list of forbidden patterns. 
You have to guess!

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 14:35:17 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 00:05:17 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] unable to add to wiki
In-Reply-To: <1c552f26-9d35-1e45-94f7-ebf1c4bd2da5@gambas-basic.org>
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On 22/11/22 11:51 pm, Benoit Minisini wrote:
> Le 22/11/2022 ? 14:20, Benoit Minisini a ?crit?:
>>
>> It's the company I'm working for that hosts the wiki. They decided to 
>> add a global sniffer that cancel any HTTP request whose contents 
>> match "some" patterns.
>>
>> A really stupid "security" tool that breaks a lot of perfectly valid 
>> requests because they include something like "SELECT * FROM" inside 
>> (for example).
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>
> Of course, they are unable to give me the list of forbidden patterns. 
> You have to guess!
>
Try the following, you might at least get a response of some type

UPDATE staff SET
 ??? state='Unemployed'
WHERE
 ??? role IN ('IT Manager', 'IT Director','IT Auditor');

or in the case of my most recent wasted 3 hours

UPDATE staff SET
 ??? state='To be Deceased'
     comments='Shoot on sight, do not approach - its not worth the effort.'
WHERE
 ??? role IN ('UI Redesigner');

ymmv, of course

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From chrisml at deganius.de  Tue Nov 22 14:56:36 2022
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 14:56:36 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] unable to add to wiki
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Am 22.11.22 um 14:20 schrieb Benoit Minisini:

> It's the company I'm working for that hosts the wiki. They decided to
> add a global sniffer that cancel any HTTP request whose contents match
> "some" patterns.

Very "good" idea!

> A really stupid "security" tool that breaks a lot of perfectly valid
> requests because they include something like "SELECT * FROM" inside (for
> example).

We could host the Wiki on Hostsharing but there's an old Gambas on a
Debian machine:

> gbs00 at h08 ~ ? gbx3 -V
> 3.12.2

:(

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

-- 
[x] nail here for new monitor

From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 14:57:23 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 13:57:23 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] unable to add to wiki
In-Reply-To: <1c552f26-9d35-1e45-94f7-ebf1c4bd2da5@gambas-basic.org>
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 at 13:22, Benoit Minisini <
benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org> wrote:

> Le 22/11/2022 ? 14:20, Benoit Minisini a ?crit :
> >
> > It's the company I'm working for that hosts the wiki. They decided to
> > add a global sniffer that cancel any HTTP request whose contents match
> > "some" patterns.
> >
> > A really stupid "security" tool that breaks a lot of perfectly valid
> > requests because they include something like "SELECT * FROM" inside (for
> > example).
> >
> > Regards,
> >
>
> Of course, they are unable to give me the list of forbidden patterns.
> You have to guess!
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini.
>


I think i've tracked it down to this line...
`/usr/bin/<vendor>/<name>.gambas`

Respects
BruceS
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 15:05:40 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 14:05:40 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] unable to add to wiki
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 at 13:57, Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 at 13:22, Benoit Minisini <
> benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org> wrote:
>
>> Le 22/11/2022 ? 14:20, Benoit Minisini a ?crit :
>> >
>> > It's the company I'm working for that hosts the wiki. They decided to
>> > add a global sniffer that cancel any HTTP request whose contents match
>> > "some" patterns.
>> >
>> > A really stupid "security" tool that breaks a lot of perfectly valid
>> > requests because they include something like "SELECT * FROM" inside
>> (for
>> > example).
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>>
>> Of course, they are unable to give me the list of forbidden patterns.
>> You have to guess!
>>
>> --
>> Beno?t Minisini.
>>
>
>
> I think i've tracked it down to this line...
> `/usr/bin/<vendor>/<name>.gambas`
>
> Respects
> BruceS
>

It was that line.
i removed the backquotes and use the 4 spaces instead to make it blockquote
    /usr/bin/<vendor>/<name>.gambas
now it does not error.

Cheers
BruceS
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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Tue Nov 22 15:36:04 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 15:36:04 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] unable to add to wiki
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Le 22/11/2022 ? 14:56, Christof Thalhofer a ?crit?:
> Am 22.11.22 um 14:20 schrieb Benoit Minisini:
> 
>> It's the company I'm working for that hosts the wiki. They decided to
>> add a global sniffer that cancel any HTTP request whose contents match
>> "some" patterns.
> 
> Very "good" idea!
> 
>> A really stupid "security" tool that breaks a lot of perfectly valid
>> requests because they include something like "SELECT * FROM" inside (for
>> example).
> 
> We could host the Wiki on Hostsharing but there's an old Gambas on a
> Debian machine:
> 
>> gbs00 at h08 ~ ? gbx3 -V
>> 3.12.2
> 
> :(
> 
> Alles Gute
> 
> Christof Thalhofer
> 

Thanks for the proposal! If you can upgrade Gambas, it will be ok.

But I need to rewrite the bugtracker first, because it is linked to the 
wiki and to the application I wrote for the company I'm working for.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Wed Nov 23 00:09:58 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 18:09:58 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] How to survey?
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On 11/20/22 17:42, Mart?n Belmonte wrote:
> If you have *OpenSuse* please try the *simple-mtpfs* program and if you can send the output of the program detailing the 
> operating system and the?program?used.
> 
> I will try on manjaro (*arch*) and see what happens with the *mtpfs* program.
> 
> The?code?that?reads?the?output?is?the?following?(for?now).

Although `simple-mtpfs` is available in the openSUSE main repository, it is not installed (by default). Are you intending to 
rely on commands that my not be available?

If you really need the device info, be aware that udev already has a comprehensive hardware database which, BTW, `lsusb` 
queries. The database itself is located at '/usr/lib/udev/hwdb.d/'. And, the device info the system has collected from that 
database about current local devices can be found at '/run/udev/data/'. Specifically, look at the "+usb*" files.

Just for fun, I coded up a command-line app that queries `lsusb` for attached devices then determines the relevant "+usb" file 
and prints out its contents. It seems to work quite easily.


-- 
Lee


From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Wed Nov 23 01:43:06 2022
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Mart=c3=adn_Belmonte?=)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 01:43:06 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] How to survey?
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El 23/11/22 a las 0:09, T Lee Davidson escribi?:
> Although `simple-mtpfs` is available in the openSUSE main repository, 
> it is not installed (by default). Are you intending to rely on 
> commands that my not be available?
>
> If you really need the device info, be aware that udev already has a 
> comprehensive hardware database which, BTW, `lsusb` queries. The 
> database itself is located at '/usr/lib/udev/hwdb.d/'. And, the device 
> info the system has collected from that database about current local 
> devices can be found at '/run/udev/data/'. Specifically, look at the 
> "+usb*" files.

Programs such as simple-mtpfs, if I eventually use these tools, will be 
a dependency in the package.
But this thing you tell me about the data available in that uses lsusb 
seems better than installing programs.

Thank you.

Martin.


From chrisml at deganius.de  Wed Nov 23 08:52:51 2022
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 08:52:51 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] unable to add to wiki
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Am 22.11.22 um 15:36 schrieb Benoit Minisini:

> Thanks for the proposal! If you can upgrade Gambas, it will be ok.
> 
> But I need to rewrite the bugtracker first, because it is linked to the
> wiki and to the application I wrote for the company I'm working for.

It's shared hosting on a managed machine and it will be upgraded 
sometime later. And then it will be the next Debian (Bullseye) Gambas 
3.15.2-1.

I have no influence on when it will be upgraded.

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

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From chrisml at deganius.de  Wed Nov 23 09:47:27 2022
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 09:47:27 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] unable to add to wiki
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Am 23.11.22 um 08:52 schrieb Christof Thalhofer:

> It's shared hosting on a managed machine and it will be upgraded
> sometime later. And then it will be the next Debian (Bullseye) Gambas
> 3.15.2-1.
> 
> I have no influence on when it will be upgraded.

Ahm, if we are able to install the newest Gambas in the user directory 
and let Apache call it by '.htacess' then we could run the newest one.

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

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From gambas at servinfo.it  Wed Nov 23 11:11:23 2022
From: gambas at servinfo.it (Marco Ancillotti)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 11:11:23 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] web gui file download
Message-ID: <3fe05721-8afc-3710-d18f-4c2d836a1cc1@servinfo.it>

Hi all,

how can I make a web gui button that download a file ?

Thank's,
marco.



From gambas at servinfo.it  Wed Nov 23 11:59:51 2022
From: gambas at servinfo.it (Marco Ancillotti)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 11:59:51 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] web gui file download
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OK , I solved with a:
Me.exec("window.open(\"/export/export.xlsx\", '_blank');")

bye,
marco.


Il 23/11/22 11:11, Marco Ancillotti ha scritto:
> Hi all,
>
> how can I make a web gui button that download a file ?
>
> Thank's,
> marco.
>
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----



From bagoneo at libero.it  Wed Nov 23 15:14:19 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 15:14:19 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] MenuButton quirk, event inside event(gtk)
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Il 22/11/22 01:08, Bruce Steers ha scritto:

> Yes , the only function of concern is clicking the MenuButton (not the 
> menu arrow) and with StickyModals on.
> The 2 menu buttons on the right, the menus do nothing but clicking them 
> pops open a test message centered to the main window (or mouse if 
> StickToMouse is selected).
> 
> The MenuButton to the left is original gb.form, the one to the right is 
> modified code to use a Timer to raise the Click event and not Raise it 
> in the Button_Click event.
> 
> I find with the original MenuButton to the left that when the message 
> pops up (not moving it first) I have to press the buttons twice, the 
> first click does nothing. it's busy for some reason.
> The custom MenuButton to the right that uses the timer does not have 
> this issue.
> 
> and i find the issue is there when the program is debugged or run with 
> gtk regardless of what the IDE uses.
> 
> Respects
> BruceS
> 
> 
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

Hi Bruce,

don't know if you have already asked Benoit, but if there was a way to 
know the height of the window edge the position of Y would be perfect to 
the micron.
See attached test

Regards

Gianluigi
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From bagoneo at libero.it  Wed Nov 23 16:02:49 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 16:02:49 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] MenuButton quirk, event inside event(gtk)
In-Reply-To: <10207aa3-bbff-5b6c-a57b-64be23977e90@libero.it>
References: <CABuQYCDDitVKzmemmEHpjHFbA_5NMLinFh2Vib5UnV10GPvNdw@mail.gmail.com>
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Il 23/11/22 15:14, gian via User ha scritto:
> don't know if you have already asked Benoit

? Me.ScreeX and Me.ScreenY instead of Me.Y and Me.Y

http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp/gb.qt4/control/screenx

Sorry :-(

Gianluigi

From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 24 04:31:19 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2022 14:01:19 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Suggestion re QT5 annoying messages
Message-ID: <45077f5d-8e59-2d53-d4e0-dbb85e3fc970@gmail.com>

@ Benoit

In the IDE Project module in Sub Main() near line 360

change

 ??? Env["QT_LOGGING_RULES"] = "*.debug=false"

to

 ??? Env["QT_LOGGING_RULES"] = "*.debug=false,qt.qpa.*=false"

gives me a whole lot less of the intrusive QT "errors".

rgrds

bruce


From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 24 05:23:40 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2022 04:23:40 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] MenuButton quirk, event inside event(gtk)
In-Reply-To: <10207aa3-bbff-5b6c-a57b-64be23977e90@libero.it>
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2022 at 14:15, gian via User <user at lists.gambas-basic.org>
wrote:

> Il 22/11/22 01:08, Bruce Steers ha scritto:
>
> > Yes , the only function of concern is clicking the MenuButton (not the
> > menu arrow) and with StickyModals on.
> > The 2 menu buttons on the right, the menus do nothing but clicking them
> > pops open a test message centered to the main window (or mouse if
> > StickToMouse is selected).
> >
> > The MenuButton to the left is original gb.form, the one to the right is
> > modified code to use a Timer to raise the Click event and not Raise it
> > in the Button_Click event.
> >
> > I find with the original MenuButton to the left that when the message
> > pops up (not moving it first) I have to press the buttons twice, the
> > first click does nothing. it's busy for some reason.
> > The custom MenuButton to the right that uses the timer does not have
> > this issue.
> >
> > and i find the issue is there when the program is debugged or run with
> > gtk regardless of what the IDE uses.
> >
> > Respects
> > BruceS
> >
> >
> >
> > ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
> Hi Bruce,
>
> don't know if you have already asked Benoit, but if there was a way to
> know the height of the window edge the position of Y would be perfect to
> the micron.
> See attached test
>
> Regards
>
> Gianluigi


Benoit's not really commented on this notion at all.

Doing it via Form.class override has the bonus of making it work on all
built in modal windows not just Message, like InputBox for example.
With my GTK I cannot even make my own window, set a position, then use
ShowModal and it not be center screen (and maybe not the screen I'm on)
This fixes that.

Also you don't have to change any previous Message code, just drop the
Form.class in your projects .src dir and set it's defaults.

your test using an FMessage.class copy does work okay (no menu button bug)
but Initially I just wanted to fix ALL my applications modal/form windows
popping open on the wrong screen in one simple hit so a Form.class mod
seemed ideal and worked.
>From there it developed into attaching to active/selected windows or the
mouse. (gotta love options :) )
My Form.class method seems almost flawless and is pretty useful. If it
wasn't for the darn MenuButton problem.
It makes me worry it has other potential issues.

Could my method be modified so the MenuButton (and any other potential
control problems i don't know about) do not have a problem?

Any advice would be appreciated on my implementation of a pseudo modal
window and why it might glitch with a menu button?

Respects
BruceS
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From chrisml at deganius.de  Thu Nov 24 09:12:32 2022
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2022 09:12:32 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] FSFE open letter
Message-ID: <54d3774d-ba5e-739a-046e-e674ec35093a@deganius.de>

Hi,

I've just signed this:

https://fsfe.org/activities/upcyclingandroid/openletter.html

Maybe it's interesting for you too.

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

-- 
Dies ist keine Signatur
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From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Thu Nov 24 09:50:51 2022
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2022 09:50:51 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] FSFE open letter
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References: <54d3774d-ba5e-739a-046e-e674ec35093a@deganius.de>
Message-ID: <CAFkCsL4X_EUPMEZkk0dRV6y3LAVVEJ7wO9pnTGLZedWTwn+EjA@mail.gmail.com>

Done too :-).

this is an old true subject ! my oldest running machine have 15 years.
(Turion 64)

From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 24 10:05:14 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2022 19:35:14 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Suggestion re QT5 annoying messages
In-Reply-To: <45077f5d-8e59-2d53-d4e0-dbb85e3fc970@gmail.com>
References: <45077f5d-8e59-2d53-d4e0-dbb85e3fc970@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b6abf65f-7185-9bc7-0ec9-55e86079f735@gmail.com>


On 24/11/22 2:01 pm, BB wrote:
> @ Benoit
>
> In the IDE Project module in Sub Main() near line 360
>
> change
>
> ??? Env["QT_LOGGING_RULES"] = "*.debug=false"
>
> to
>
> ??? Env["QT_LOGGING_RULES"] = "*.debug=false,qt.qpa.*=false"
>
> gives me a whole lot less of the intrusive QT "errors".
>
> rgrds
>
> bruce
>
Sorry, that should be Env["QT_LOGGING_RULES"] = 
"*.debug=false;*.qpa.*=false"

Got a bit overexcited.


From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Thu Nov 24 12:16:32 2022
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2022 12:16:32 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
In-Reply-To: <f1d5d8f8-1a1c-c045-3cfa-30d1efc042c0@libero.it>
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' Gambas module file

Public Sub Main()

   Dim sPatternTitle As String = "$$L3!!$$AC,L10!!&1$$L5,AC!!
$$L15,AC,D3!!&2$$L5!!$$L8,AC!!&3"
  Dim sFilledPattern As String =
"$$L3!!$$AC,L10,F-!!$$L5,AC!!|$$L15,F-!!$$L5!!$$L8,F-!!"
  Dim sPattern As String =
"$$L3!!->$$AC,L10!!&1$$L5,AC!!|$$L15,AL!!&2$$L5,AC!!|$$L8,AF,D3!!&3"
  Dim i As Integer

  ''Format patern
  '$$ -> start Format
  'L# -> Lenght
  'A# -> L,R,C,F Alignment
  'F# -> One letter filling
  'C# -> Decimal letter ... '.' or ',' or else
  'D# -> number of decimal
  '!! endof formating string

  'ex : $$L10,AC!!text$$L2!!$$L8,AF,D3!!2.536

  Print MakeLine(Subst(sPatternTitle, "Date", "Test", "Value"))
  Print MakeLine(sFilledPattern)
  For i = 1 To 10

  Print MakeLine(Subst(sPattern, Format(Now(), "dd/mm/yyy"), "Maurice", "2.52"))
  Print MakeLine(Subst(sPattern, Format(Now(), "dd/mm/yyy"), "Marcel",
"23.535"))
  Next
End


Public Sub MakeLine(sLine As String) As String


  Dim sPattern, sText As String
  Dim iSta, iEnd As Integer
  Dim sRet As String
  Dim s As String
  Dim sSingle As String
  Dim sAling, sFill As String
  Dim sDecChar As String
  Dim iDec As Integer = 2
  'Find the next opened pattern
  iSta = InStr(sLine, "$$") + 1
  Do
  iEnd = InStr(sLine, "!!", iSta + 1) - 1

  sPattern = sLine[iSta, iEnd - iSta]
  iSta = InStr(sLine, "$$", iEnd) + 1
  If iSta = 1 Then
    sText = sLine[iEnd + 2, sLine.Len - (iEnd + 2)]
  Else
    sText = sLine[iEnd + 2, iSta - 2 - (iEnd + 2)]
  Endif

  For Each s In Split(sPattern)
    Select Case Left(s)
      Case "L"
        sSingle = String(Val(Right(s, -1)), " ")
      Case "A"
        sAling = Right(s, -1)
      Case "F"
        sFill = Right(s, -1)
      Case "C"
        sDecChar = Right(s, -1)
      Case "D"
        iDec = Right(s, -1)
    End Select
  Next
   If sFill Then
     sSingle = String(sSingle.Len, sFill)
     sFill = ""
   Endif
  If sText.Len > sSingle.Len Then sText = Left(stext, sSingle.Len)
  Select Case sAling
    Case "L"
      Mid(sSingle, 1, stext.Len) = sText
    Case "R"
      Mid(sSingle, sSingle.Len - sText.Len + 1, stext.Len) = sText
    Case "C"
      Mid(sSingle, (sSingle.len - sText.Len) / 2 + 1, stext.Len) = stext
    Case "F"
      If Not sDecChar Then sDecChar = "."
       stext = stext & String(Max(0, iDec - (stext.len - (InStr(stext,
sDecChar)))), " ")
       Mid(sSingle, sSingle.Len - sText.Len + 1, stext.Len) = sText
    Case Else
      Mid(sSingle, 1, stext.Len) = sText
  End Select

  sRet &= sSingle
  sSingle = ""
  sAling = 0
  sDecChar = ""
  iDec = 2
  If iSta = 1 Then Break
  Loop
  'Analyse du pattern

  Return sRet

End


Enjoy it :-)

From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 24 14:04:25 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2022 23:34:25 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
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On 24/11/22 9:46 pm, Fabien Bodard wrote:
> ' Gambas module file
>
> Public Sub Main()
>
>     Dim sPatternTitle As String = "$$L3!!$$AC,L10!!&1$$L5,AC!!$$L15,AC,D3!!&2$$L5!!$$L8,AC!!&3"
>    Dim sFilledPattern As String ="$$L3!!$$AC,L10,F-!!$$L5,AC!!|$$L15,F-!!$$L5!!$$L8,F-!!"
>    Dim sPattern As String ="$$L3!!->$$AC,L10!!&1$$L5,AC!!|$$L15,AL!!&2$$L5,AC!!|$$L8,AF,D3!!&3"
>
> Enjoy it :-)
>
Enjoy it?? Enjoy it? It looks like the lyrics to the song sung by the 
Irishman, the Welshman and the Scot when they came out of the hotel 6 
hours later.

If you recall, I was looking for a "simple" and "quick" way to use Print. ?

b


From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Thu Nov 24 16:00:20 2022
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2022 16:00:20 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
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.. simple..

It is !

Using a formatting pattern is not something complex.

Well I was just trying to help ?.

And thinking about how I'll do it for myself.
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Thu Nov 24 16:45:12 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2022 17:45:12 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] FSFE open letter
In-Reply-To: <54d3774d-ba5e-739a-046e-e674ec35093a@deganius.de>
References: <54d3774d-ba5e-739a-046e-e674ec35093a@deganius.de>
Message-ID: <CAFJMe7SNH3bBVsgQFAAXiUKK3-kDsZh6zLL0K+Dsa8whWSEOag@mail.gmail.com>

It is a very good idea and I definitely sign and share, but I'm also very
pessimistic about this. The over-consumption culture is too profitable and
too many people happily accept it.


Jussi

On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 10:22 AM Christof Thalhofer <chrisml at deganius.de>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've just signed this:
>
> https://fsfe.org/activities/upcyclingandroid/openletter.html
>
> Maybe it's interesting for you too.
>
> Alles Gute
>
> Christof Thalhofer
>
> --
> Dies ist keine Signatur
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 24 14:28:56 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2022 23:58:56 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
In-Reply-To: <CAFkCsL5--L9a3p8zb8224z1APVdrECEtHJ-0j2+JNUHpKqBjJQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On 24/11/22 9:46 pm, Fabien Bodard wrote
>     Dim sPatternTitle As String = "$$L3!!$$AC,L10!!&1$$L5,AC!!$$L15,AC,D3!!&2$$L5!!$$L8,AC!!&3"
>    Dim sFilledPattern As String ="$$L3!!$$AC,L10,F-!!$$L5,AC!!|$$L15,F-!!$$L5!!$$L8,F-!!"
>    Dim sPattern As String ="$$L3!!->$$AC,L10!!&1$$L5,AC!!|$$L15,AL!!&2$$L5,AC!!|$$L8,AF,D3!!&3"

I tried sending that as a MIDI stream to my Yamaha. Half its' keys fell 
off and then it wrenched the comms cord out and strangled itself before 
I could intervene. ?

Did you know, by the way, that the reason Mozart died as a pauper was 
that all the concertos were his submissions to the [X] corporation as 
advertising jingles. Unfortunately television hadn't been invented yet.


From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Thu Nov 24 17:32:21 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2022 17:32:21 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] FSFE open letter
In-Reply-To: <54d3774d-ba5e-739a-046e-e674ec35093a@deganius.de>
References: <54d3774d-ba5e-739a-046e-e674ec35093a@deganius.de>
Message-ID: <e57a35b3-ac26-11ee-8421-109db557d284@gambas-basic.org>

Le 24/11/2022 ? 09:12, Christof Thalhofer a ?crit?:
> Hi,
> 
> I've just signed this:
> 
> https://fsfe.org/activities/upcyclingandroid/openletter.html
> 
> Maybe it's interesting for you too.
> 
> Alles Gute
> 
> Christof Thalhofer
> 

Signed!

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From olivier.cruilles at yahoo.fr  Fri Nov 25 01:47:03 2022
From: olivier.cruilles at yahoo.fr (Linus)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2022 19:47:03 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] FSFE open letter
In-Reply-To: <54d3774d-ba5e-739a-046e-e674ec35093a@deganius.de>
References: <54d3774d-ba5e-739a-046e-e674ec35093a@deganius.de>
Message-ID: <3459B64D-3575-4592-AFDA-D2E8DC618D7D@yahoo.fr>

Signed too !


Olivier Cruilles





> Le 24 nov. 2022 ? 03:12, Christof Thalhofer <chrisml at deganius.de> a ?crit :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've just signed this:
> 
> https://fsfe.org/activities/upcyclingandroid/openletter.html
> 
> Maybe it's interesting for you too.
> 
> Alles Gute
> 
> Christof Thalhofer
> 
> -- 
> Dies ist keine Signatur
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

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From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Thu Nov 24 15:56:21 2022
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2022 15:56:21 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
In-Reply-To: <9238a483-581c-33a9-4f8c-f039bdecb905@gmail.com>
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P

Le jeu. 24 nov. 2022 ? 14:05, BB <adamnt42 at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> On 24/11/22 9:46 pm, Fabien Bodard wrote:
> > ' Gambas module file
> >
> > Public Sub Main()
> >
> >     Dim sPatternTitle As String =
> "$$L3!!$$AC,L10!!&1$$L5,AC!!$$L15,AC,D3!!&2$$L5!!$$L8,AC!!&3"
> >    Dim sFilledPattern As String
> ="$$L3!!$$AC,L10,F-!!$$L5,AC!!|$$L15,F-!!$$L5!!$$L8,F-!!"
> >    Dim sPattern As String
> ="$$L3!!->$$AC,L10!!&1$$L5,AC!!|$$L15,AL!!&2$$L5,AC!!|$$L8,AF,D3!!&3"
> >
> > Enjoy it :-)
> >
> Enjoy it?  Enjoy it? It looks like the lyrics to the song sung by the
> Irishman, the Welshman and the Scot when they came out of the hotel 6
> hours later.
>
> If you recall, I was looking for a "simple" and "quick" way to use Print.
> ?
>
> b
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From angelnunez123 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 07:32:09 2022
From: angelnunez123 at gmail.com (Angel)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 07:32:09 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Xmlwriter.open always gives error 43
Message-ID: <3cd44a91-f4f7-ddc6-44f4-f42d1830d9db@gmail.com>

Hi

When executing the sentence:


xwri.open ("~/desktop/file new.xsl", True)


To save the XML to a file, error 43 always comes out.

When I am the owner of the file, and the file is in the Home Desktop 
folder.

I have tried to erase the file and create an empty file with that name 
and give the same error.

What am I doing wrong?

How to save the resulting XML to a file.
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 07:47:10 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 17:17:10 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Xmlwriter.open always gives error 43
In-Reply-To: <3cd44a91-f4f7-ddc6-44f4-f42d1830d9db@gmail.com>
References: <3cd44a91-f4f7-ddc6-44f4-f42d1830d9db@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3047b775-404c-ec8f-3534-1933bf5eed7f@gmail.com>


On 25/11/22 5:02 pm, Angel wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> When executing the sentence:
>
>
> xwri.open ("~/desktop/file new.xsl", True)
>
>
> To save the XML to a file, error 43 always comes out.
>
> When I am the owner of the file, and the file is in the Home Desktop 
> folder.
>
> I have tried to erase the file and create an empty file with that name 
> and give the same error.
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> How to save the resulting XML to a file.
>

1) it's "D"esktop everywhere I've been

2) what's that space?

hth

bruce


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From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 07:51:38 2022
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 07:51:38 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
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By the way.. Mozart was a great artist ?

Le ven. 25 nov. 2022 ? 01:40, BB <adamnt42 at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> On 24/11/22 9:46 pm, Fabien Bodard wrote
> >     Dim sPatternTitle As String =
> "$$L3!!$$AC,L10!!&1$$L5,AC!!$$L15,AC,D3!!&2$$L5!!$$L8,AC!!&3"
> >    Dim sFilledPattern As String
> ="$$L3!!$$AC,L10,F-!!$$L5,AC!!|$$L15,F-!!$$L5!!$$L8,F-!!"
> >    Dim sPattern As String
> ="$$L3!!->$$AC,L10!!&1$$L5,AC!!|$$L15,AL!!&2$$L5,AC!!|$$L8,AF,D3!!&3"
>
> I tried sending that as a MIDI stream to my Yamaha. Half its' keys fell
> off and then it wrenched the comms cord out and strangled itself before
> I could intervene. ?
>
> Did you know, by the way, that the reason Mozart died as a pauper was
> that all the concertos were his submissions to the [X] corporation as
> advertising jingles. Unfortunately television hadn't been invented yet.
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 07:57:35 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 17:27:35 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
In-Reply-To: <CAFkCsL7Zpi-R6GOCDvL-qb4X_kun6uLyRybh+B1y9OnCiZTONw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <daf1fed1-166d-e683-326c-3b5efcc93732@gmail.com>

On 25/11/22 5:21 pm, Fabien Bodard wrote:
> By the way.. Mozart was a great artist ?
>
Oh yeah? How come he hasn't done any live youtubes then?

(It's after 5:00pm on Friday here... ?)

b


From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 08:03:25 2022
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 08:03:25 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
In-Reply-To: <CAFkCsL7Zpi-R6GOCDvL-qb4X_kun6uLyRybh+B1y9OnCiZTONw@mail.gmail.com>
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My idea was to make a pattern to have  a function more generic with a
terminal command like pattern.

Sure it look like midi sentences ?.



Le ven. 25 nov. 2022 ? 07:51, Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> By the way.. Mozart was a great artist ?
>
> Le ven. 25 nov. 2022 ? 01:40, BB <adamnt42 at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>
>> On 24/11/22 9:46 pm, Fabien Bodard wrote
>> >     Dim sPatternTitle As String =
>> "$$L3!!$$AC,L10!!&1$$L5,AC!!$$L15,AC,D3!!&2$$L5!!$$L8,AC!!&3"
>> >    Dim sFilledPattern As String
>> ="$$L3!!$$AC,L10,F-!!$$L5,AC!!|$$L15,F-!!$$L5!!$$L8,F-!!"
>> >    Dim sPattern As String
>> ="$$L3!!->$$AC,L10!!&1$$L5,AC!!|$$L15,AL!!&2$$L5,AC!!|$$L8,AF,D3!!&3"
>>
>> I tried sending that as a MIDI stream to my Yamaha. Half its' keys fell
>> off and then it wrenched the comms cord out and strangled itself before
>> I could intervene. ?
>>
>> Did you know, by the way, that the reason Mozart died as a pauper was
>> that all the concertos were his submissions to the [X] corporation as
>> advertising jingles. Unfortunately television hadn't been invented yet.
>>
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>
>
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From kicking177 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 09:55:43 2022
From: kicking177 at gmail.com (KKing)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 08:55:43 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] FSFE open letter
Message-ID: <f8d9f5c9-aae3-b7f7-d8f9-2332ed5b9bb0@gmail.com>

Hi,
> I've just signed this:
>
> https://fsfe.org/activities/upcyclingandroid/openletter.html
>
> Maybe it's interesting for you too.
>
> Alles Gute
>
> Christof Thalhofer

I've not signed this.
While I applaud the concept and intention, I see issues with the first 
and possibly last goals, in particular with the wording of the last 
sentence in the first.
As someone who has worked for companies whose existence depends on 
devices they have designed and support, an inkling of the costs involved 
in the creation and making of the devices I see issues with trying to 
make it fit an open source model. If a hardware maker has to design, 
manufacture and support a device to run ... anything ... it will not be 
viable.
K.

From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 12:26:32 2022
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 12:26:32 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] FSFE open letter
In-Reply-To: <f8d9f5c9-aae3-b7f7-d8f9-2332ed5b9bb0@gmail.com>
References: <f8d9f5c9-aae3-b7f7-d8f9-2332ed5b9bb0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFkCsL6ijuxY7YX32AU+r_U4oYOVuFNd2=biObYL5oBg3=ojRg@mail.gmail.com>

Le ven. 25 nov. 2022 ? 09:56, KKing <kicking177 at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>
> Hi,
> > I've just signed this:
> >
> > https://fsfe.org/activities/upcyclingandroid/openletter.html
> >
> > Maybe it's interesting for you too.
> >
> > Alles Gute
> >
> > Christof Thalhofer
>
> I've not signed this.
> While I applaud the concept and intention, I see issues with the first
> and possibly last goals, in particular with the wording of the last
> sentence in the first.
> As someone who has worked for companies whose existence depends on
> devices they have designed and support, an inkling of the costs involved
> in the creation and making of the devices I see issues with trying to
> make it fit an open source model. If a hardware maker has to design,
> manufacture and support a device to run ... anything ... it will not be
> viable.
> K.
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----


But the headlong rush is not viable either. It must be recognized that
forcing obsolescence for lack of openness to the technical data of a
device of na goes in the direction of good ecological thinking.

Manufacturers, if they do not want to open their equipment, must in
return ensure repairability over the long term and also the related
online services... which is not the case because it is not viable
(maintaining a service for three or four people...)

So that's why I say that both models are not viable in the long term.
Except that open source relies on free resources for a good
part...goodwill.

There would be a market for the repair and recommissioning of devices
that can still perform their true task. You have to realize that today
most of us use supercomputers from the 90s... To play!

A second generation iphone is more than enough to run games whose
gameplay hasn't changed since the 90s. Today we use advertising to
sell what people don't need. Too much power... too much capacity...
too much power consumption.


I understand that all this consumption is also what has allowed the
equipment to evolve. But I know the story...many of the novelties
distilled year after year, half model by half model are sometimes ten
years old. To keep a reason to sell it and make the customer consume
it. Why not an economic model or a new model arrives every 5 years ...
being really revolutionary but expensive and allowing the repair and
recycling of old models. The economic world has nothing to do with us
or the planet, only the numbers count... I am for the numbers, for
success, but there are several ways to achieve this.

I hope google have not mess too many my message :-D



-- 
Fabien Bodard

From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 16:09:52 2022
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 16:09:52 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] gambas Disk Management
Message-ID: <CAFkCsL4oLuhOfBZx-tDFO7oUgMc+4UVGCrBB_VxLVQEGW=Brcw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

This is a started component for enable the disk management in gui with
gambas. It is based on dbus Udisk2

I'v trying to put as less as possible properties. Just the ones useful
for a file manager.

There is 3 events

DeviceAdded(Block as string) when a new diskBlock is added
DeviceRemoved(Block as String) When as DiskBlock is removed
DeviceMounted(Block as string) When a FileSytem is Mounted

Can someones try on their computer to see if all goes well.

Have try with different media

It's an early alpha code so please tell me about properties name and
event name if something sound wrong.

Regards,
-- 
Fabien Bodard
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From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 16:10:55 2022
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 16:10:55 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] gambas Disk Management
In-Reply-To: <CAFkCsL4oLuhOfBZx-tDFO7oUgMc+4UVGCrBB_VxLVQEGW=Brcw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFkCsL4oLuhOfBZx-tDFO7oUgMc+4UVGCrBB_VxLVQEGW=Brcw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFkCsL7KZmWx3zoVe5gVXyWNe+q10hcRZoCF9nCQSSF7TrKCfg@mail.gmail.com>

gmail version :-)

Le ven. 25 nov. 2022 ? 16:09, Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>
> Hi,
>
> This is a started component for enable the disk management in gui with
> gambas. It is based on dbus Udisk2
>
> I'v trying to put as less as possible properties. Just the ones useful
> for a file manager.
>
> There is 3 events
>
> DeviceAdded(Block as string) when a new diskBlock is added
> DeviceRemoved(Block as String) When as DiskBlock is removed
> DeviceMounted(Block as string) When a FileSytem is Mounted
>
> Can someones try on their computer to see if all goes well.
>
> Have try with different media
>
> It's an early alpha code so please tell me about properties name and
> event name if something sound wrong.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Fabien Bodard



-- 
Fabien Bodard
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From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 16:28:28 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 10:28:28 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] Xmlwriter.open always gives error 43
In-Reply-To: <3047b775-404c-ec8f-3534-1933bf5eed7f@gmail.com>
References: <3cd44a91-f4f7-ddc6-44f4-f42d1830d9db@gmail.com>
 <3047b775-404c-ec8f-3534-1933bf5eed7f@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9f7e877d-fade-4695-280b-5e30f4e95d2f@gmail.com>

On 11/25/22 01:47, BB wrote:
> 
> On 25/11/22 5:02 pm, Angel wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> When executing the sentence:
>>
>>
>> xwri.open ("~/desktop/file new.xsl", True)
>>
>>
>> To save the XML to a file, error 43 always comes out.
>>
>> When I am the owner of the file, and the file is in the Home Desktop folder.
>>
>> I have tried to erase the file and create an empty file with that name and give the same error.
>>
>> What am I doing wrong?
>>
>> How to save the resulting XML to a file.
>>
> 
> 1) it's "D"esktop everywhere I've been
> 
> 2) what's that space?
> 
> hth
> 
> bruce

Also, the tilde may be causing an issue. Try using User.Home in place of it.


-- 
Lee


From angelnunez123 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 17:32:11 2022
From: angelnunez123 at gmail.com (Angel)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 17:32:11 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Xmlwriter.open always gives error 43
In-Reply-To: <3cd44a91-f4f7-ddc6-44f4-f42d1830d9db@gmail.com>
References: <3cd44a91-f4f7-ddc6-44f4-f42d1830d9db@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2c9ea9af-311d-3d43-4b36-efc64149f2f6@gmail.com>

I have tried the following code:

xwri.open ("home/angel/probar.xsl", True)

Without accents or spaces, without the file and creating a file with the 
same empty name,

I always give me error 43 Access forbidden


El 25/11/22 a las 7:32, Angel escribi?:
>
> Hi
>
> When executing the sentence:
>
>
> xwri.open ("~/desktop/file new.xsl", True)
>
>
> To save the XML to a file, error 43 always comes out.
>
> When I am the owner of the file, and the file is in the Home Desktop 
> folder.
>
> I have tried to erase the file and create an empty file with that name 
> and give the same error.
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> How to save the resulting XML to a file.
>
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From chrisml at deganius.de  Fri Nov 25 17:46:00 2022
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 17:46:00 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] COBOL and how great it was!
In-Reply-To: <daf1fed1-166d-e683-326c-3b5efcc93732@gmail.com>
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Am 25.11.22 um 07:57 schrieb BB:

> On 25/11/22 5:21 pm, Fabien Bodard wrote:
>> By the way.. Mozart was a great artist ?
>>
> Oh yeah? How come he hasn't done any live youtubes then?
> 
> (It's after 5:00pm on Friday here... ?)

You're so childish ... :]

Kindergartner Christof

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From admin at allunix.ru  Fri Nov 25 18:25:15 2022
From: admin at allunix.ru (Admin)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 00:25:15 +0700
Subject: [Gambas-user] Xmlwriter.open always gives error 43
In-Reply-To: <2c9ea9af-311d-3d43-4b36-efc64149f2f6@gmail.com>
References: <3cd44a91-f4f7-ddc6-44f4-f42d1830d9db@gmail.com>
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That would not work either, without first slash before "home" it will 
actually always be "/home/angel/home/angel/probar.xsl", but that should 
not cause "access forbidden" but rather "no such file or directory". 
Strange.

Dmitry.

25.11.2022 23:32, Angel ?????:
>
> I have tried the following code:
>
> xwri.open ("home/angel/probar.xsl", True)
>
> Without accents or spaces, without the file and creating a file with 
> the same empty name,
>
> I always give me error 43 Access forbidden
>
>
> El 25/11/22 a las 7:32, Angel escribi?:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> When executing the sentence:
>>
>>
>> xwri.open ("~/desktop/file new.xsl", True)
>>
>>
>> To save the XML to a file, error 43 always comes out.
>>
>> When I am the owner of the file, and the file is in the Home Desktop 
>> folder.
>>
>> I have tried to erase the file and create an empty file with that 
>> name and give the same error.
>>
>> What am I doing wrong?
>>
>> How to save the resulting XML to a file.
>>
>
> ----[http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette  ]----

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From karl.reinl at fen-net.de  Fri Nov 25 19:01:52 2022
From: karl.reinl at fen-net.de (Karl Reinl)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 19:01:52 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Xmlwriter.open always gives error 43
In-Reply-To: <2c9ea9af-311d-3d43-4b36-efc64149f2f6@gmail.com>
References: <3cd44a91-f4f7-ddc6-44f4-f42d1830d9db@gmail.com>
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Am Freitag, dem 25.11.2022 um 17:32 +0100 schrieb Angel:
> xwri.open ("home/angel/probar.xsl", True) 
> 
> 
Salut,

  try with the third parameter, an encoding that is on your computer.

 * Encoding: By default, XmlWriter uses UTF-8 encoding to write the file.You can specify any different encoding, if it is supported by libxml2.Dim xml As New XmlWriter? 	xml.Open(strArgus[0] & ".xml",TRUE,"utf-8")??that works for me
- -- 
Amicalement
Charlie
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From karl.reinl at fen-net.de  Fri Nov 25 19:08:28 2022
From: karl.reinl at fen-net.de (Karl Reinl)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 19:08:28 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Xmlwriter.open always gives error 43
In-Reply-To: <2c9ea9af-311d-3d43-4b36-efc64149f2f6@gmail.com>
References: <3cd44a91-f4f7-ddc6-44f4-f42d1830d9db@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <b424781aa894894aeaca2112b153b29447684605.camel@fen-net.de>

Am Freitag, dem 25.11.2022 um 17:32 +0100 schrieb Angel:
> xwri.open ("home/angel/probar.xsl", True) 
> 
> 

Sorry something unpleasant happened, but here it comes again

Salut,

  try with the third parameter, an encoding that is on your computer.

 * Encoding: By default, XmlWriter uses UTF-8 encoding to write the
file.You can specify any different encoding, if it is supported by
libxml2.

Dim xml As New XmlWriter  	
	xml.Open(strArgus[0] & ".xml",TRUE,"utf-8")  

that works for me


-- 
Amicalement
Charlie


From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 19:19:00 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 20:19:00 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] FSFE open letter
In-Reply-To: <f8d9f5c9-aae3-b7f7-d8f9-2332ed5b9bb0@gmail.com>
References: <f8d9f5c9-aae3-b7f7-d8f9-2332ed5b9bb0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFJMe7RKOnyVQWKJP-F1cS777oMLU+DFsdXPQ6-d0mjbqv85iw@mail.gmail.com>

>
> If a hardware maker has to design, manufacture and support a device to run
> ... anything ... it will not be viable.
>

Actually it is the opposite. If you manufacture a device with standard
parts, you have to see some trouble to make it incompatible with Linux (and
yes, they really do that!).
By anything they refer to self built things supporting the underlying
architecture (ARM, etc).

Jussi
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From angelnunez123 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 20:20:40 2022
From: angelnunez123 at gmail.com (Angel)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 20:20:40 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Xmlwriter.open always gives error 43
In-Reply-To: <2c9ea9af-311d-3d43-4b36-efc64149f2f6@gmail.com>
References: <3cd44a91-f4f7-ddc6-44f4-f42d1830d9db@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <aebe61a5-cb76-ef77-53a9-f96a7fbb6a8e@gmail.com>

With the bar / before home it works.

I am very clueless, do not realize the bar before home.

Thank you
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From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 21:56:58 2022
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:56:58 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] gambas Disk Management
In-Reply-To: <CAFkCsL7KZmWx3zoVe5gVXyWNe+q10hcRZoCF9nCQSSF7TrKCfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFkCsL4oLuhOfBZx-tDFO7oUgMc+4UVGCrBB_VxLVQEGW=Brcw@mail.gmail.com>
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New version

With better asynchronous mounting job management and cdrom display.

Le ven. 25 nov. 2022 ? 16:10, Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>
> gmail version :-)
>
> Le ven. 25 nov. 2022 ? 16:09, Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com> a ?crit :
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > This is a started component for enable the disk management in gui with
> > gambas. It is based on dbus Udisk2
> >
> > I'v trying to put as less as possible properties. Just the ones useful
> > for a file manager.
> >
> > There is 3 events
> >
> > DeviceAdded(Block as string) when a new diskBlock is added
> > DeviceRemoved(Block as String) When as DiskBlock is removed
> > DeviceMounted(Block as string) When a FileSytem is Mounted
> >
> > Can someones try on their computer to see if all goes well.
> >
> > Have try with different media
> >
> > It's an early alpha code so please tell me about properties name and
> > event name if something sound wrong.
> >
> > Regards,
> > --
> > Fabien Bodard
>
>
>
> --
> Fabien Bodard



-- 
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From chrisml at deganius.de  Fri Nov 25 23:52:41 2022
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 23:52:41 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] gambas Disk Management
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Am 25.11.22 um 21:56 schrieb Fabien Bodard:

> New version

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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 02:49:28 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 12:19:28 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] How top clearing a readonly textbox
Message-ID: <86b3dd59-ad29-8882-7382-1084df705e03@gmail.com>

As the help says, Textbox.Clear() "Clears the text". However, in the 
case where the textbox is ReadOnly then I don't want this to happen.

I've tried several ways* but can't stop it. Any clues?

b

* overriding Clear, using Stop Event, even saving the original text and 
re-setting it


From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 03:21:09 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 04:21:09 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] How top clearing a readonly textbox
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Might be simplest to check the read only status before calling Clear().
But this surely works:
Dim sText As String = TextBox1.Text
TextBox1.Clear
TextBox1.Text = sText

The method _Change() is called after the change is done to the .Text thus
it is too late to stop.
Not sure if all this is wanted behavior.


Jussi



On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 3:50 AM BB <adamnt42 at gmail.com> wrote:

> As the help says, Textbox.Clear() "Clears the text". However, in the
> case where the textbox is ReadOnly then I don't want this to happen.
>
> I've tried several ways* but can't stop it. Any clues?
>
> b
>
> * overriding Clear, using Stop Event, even saving the original text and
> re-setting it
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 04:07:42 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 03:07:42 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Xmlwriter.open always gives error 43
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 at 19:21, Angel <angelnunez123 at gmail.com> wrote:

> With the bar / before home it works.
>
> I am very clueless, do not realize the bar before home.
>
> Thank you
>

Desktop.class has a Path property that points to your desktop folder..
xwri.open (Desktop.Path &/ "probar.xsl", True)

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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 04:16:07 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 13:46:07 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] How top clearing a readonly textbox
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Yeah, I over simplified my problem. I'm trying to clear a form by going 
through all the controls and trying to "clear" them.

As in

 ??? For Each ctl as Object in Me.controls?? ' (ctl has to be an Object as it could be a control or it could be a container.)
         Try ctl.Clear
     Next

Since I don't know what the ctl is I cant check if its read-only before 
trying to clear it. As in I can't do

     If ctl.ReadOnly Then Continue

and obviously not

     Try If ctl.ReadOnly Then Continue

I know it could be done with a lot of complex checking for what type of 
control each one is but I was trying to avoid that.

     Dim thisTextBox as TextBox
     Dim thisTextArea as TextArea
     ' etc etc etc etc
...
     For Each ctl as Object in Me.Controls
	If ctl Is TextBox Then
		thisTextBox=ctl
		if not thisTextBox.ReadOnly then thisTextBox.Clear
	Else If ctl Is TextArea
		etc
	Else If ctl Is MyCustomTextBox
		etc
	Else If ctl Is etc etc etc etc for up to 3 gazillion control types and custom control types
		

I have attached a "simplified" demo. The actual case is a very complex 
form with lots of controls including custom controls.

bruce

On 26/11/22 12:51 pm, Jussi Lahtinen wrote:
> Might be simplest to check the read only status before calling Clear().
> But this surely works:
> Dim sText As String = TextBox1.Text
> TextBox1.Clear
> TextBox1.Text = sText
>
> The method _Change() is called after the change is done to the .Text 
> thus it is too late to stop.
> Not sure if all this is wanted behavior.
>
>
> Jussi
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 3:50 AM BB <adamnt42 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:adamnt42 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     As the help says, Textbox.Clear() "Clears the text". However, in the
>     case where the textbox is ReadOnly then I don't want this to happen.
>
>     I've tried several ways* but can't stop it. Any clues?
>
>     b
>
>     * overriding Clear, using Stop Event, even saving the original
>     text and
>     re-setting it
>
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 04:18:53 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 13:48:53 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Xmlwriter.open always gives error 43
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User.Home is probably better! Works without Desktop being loaded.

xwri.open (User.Home &/ "probar.xsl", True)

On 26/11/22 1:37 pm, Bruce Steers wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 at 19:21, Angel <angelnunez123 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:angelnunez123 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     With the bar / before home it works.
>
>     I am very clueless, do not realize the bar before home.
>
>     Thank you
>
>
> Desktop.class has a Path property that points to your desktop folder..
> xwri.open (Desktop.Path &/ "probar.xsl", True)
>
> BruceS
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 04:27:37 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 05:27:37 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] How top clearing a readonly textbox
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Try bReadOnly = ctl.ReadOnly

If bReadOnly = False Then
Try ctl.Clear
Endif

Jussi


On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 5:17 AM BB <adamnt42 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, I over simplified my problem. I'm trying to clear a form by going
> through all the controls and trying to "clear" them.
>
> As in
>
>     For Each ctl as Object in Me.controls   ' (ctl has to be an Object as it could be a control or it could be a container.)
>         Try ctl.Clear
>     Next
>
> Since I don't know what the ctl is I cant check if its read-only before
> trying to clear it. As in I can't do
>
>     If ctl.ReadOnly Then Continue
>
> and obviously not
>
>     Try If ctl.ReadOnly Then Continue
>
> I know it could be done with a lot of complex checking for what type of
> control each one is but I was trying to avoid that.
>
>     Dim thisTextBox as TextBox
>     Dim thisTextArea as TextArea
>     ' etc etc etc etc
> ...
>     For Each ctl as Object in Me.Controls
> 	If ctl Is TextBox Then
> 		thisTextBox=ctl
> 		if not thisTextBox.ReadOnly then thisTextBox.Clear
> 	Else If ctl Is TextArea
> 		etc
> 	Else If ctl Is MyCustomTextBox
> 		etc
> 	Else If ctl Is etc etc etc etc for up to 3 gazillion control types and custom control types
> 		
>
>
> I have attached a "simplified" demo. The actual case is a very complex
> form with lots of controls including custom controls.
>
> bruce
> On 26/11/22 12:51 pm, Jussi Lahtinen wrote:
>
> Might be simplest to check the read only status before calling Clear().
> But this surely works:
> Dim sText As String = TextBox1.Text
> TextBox1.Clear
> TextBox1.Text = sText
>
> The method _Change() is called after the change is done to the .Text thus
> it is too late to stop.
> Not sure if all this is wanted behavior.
>
>
> Jussi
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 3:50 AM BB <adamnt42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As the help says, Textbox.Clear() "Clears the text". However, in the
>> case where the textbox is ReadOnly then I don't want this to happen.
>>
>> I've tried several ways* but can't stop it. Any clues?
>>
>> b
>>
>> * overriding Clear, using Stop Event, even saving the original text and
>> re-setting it
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 04:29:15 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 05:29:15 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] How top clearing a readonly textbox
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Sorry, this is correct:
bReadOnly = False
Try bReadOnly = ctl.ReadOnly

If bReadOnly = False Then
Try ctl.Clear
Endif



On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 5:27 AM Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Try bReadOnly = ctl.ReadOnly
>
> If bReadOnly = False Then
> Try ctl.Clear
> Endif
>
> Jussi
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 5:17 AM BB <adamnt42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I over simplified my problem. I'm trying to clear a form by going
>> through all the controls and trying to "clear" them.
>>
>> As in
>>
>>     For Each ctl as Object in Me.controls   ' (ctl has to be an Object as it could be a control or it could be a container.)
>>         Try ctl.Clear
>>     Next
>>
>> Since I don't know what the ctl is I cant check if its read-only before
>> trying to clear it. As in I can't do
>>
>>     If ctl.ReadOnly Then Continue
>>
>> and obviously not
>>
>>     Try If ctl.ReadOnly Then Continue
>>
>> I know it could be done with a lot of complex checking for what type of
>> control each one is but I was trying to avoid that.
>>
>>     Dim thisTextBox as TextBox
>>     Dim thisTextArea as TextArea
>>     ' etc etc etc etc
>> ...
>>     For Each ctl as Object in Me.Controls
>> 	If ctl Is TextBox Then
>> 		thisTextBox=ctl
>> 		if not thisTextBox.ReadOnly then thisTextBox.Clear
>> 	Else If ctl Is TextArea
>> 		etc
>> 	Else If ctl Is MyCustomTextBox
>> 		etc
>> 	Else If ctl Is etc etc etc etc for up to 3 gazillion control types and custom control types
>> 		
>>
>>
>> I have attached a "simplified" demo. The actual case is a very complex
>> form with lots of controls including custom controls.
>>
>> bruce
>> On 26/11/22 12:51 pm, Jussi Lahtinen wrote:
>>
>> Might be simplest to check the read only status before calling Clear().
>> But this surely works:
>> Dim sText As String = TextBox1.Text
>> TextBox1.Clear
>> TextBox1.Text = sText
>>
>> The method _Change() is called after the change is done to the .Text thus
>> it is too late to stop.
>> Not sure if all this is wanted behavior.
>>
>>
>> Jussi
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 3:50 AM BB <adamnt42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As the help says, Textbox.Clear() "Clears the text". However, in the
>>> case where the textbox is ReadOnly then I don't want this to happen.
>>>
>>> I've tried several ways* but can't stop it. Any clues?
>>>
>>> b
>>>
>>> * overriding Clear, using Stop Event, even saving the original text and
>>> re-setting it
>>
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 04:33:47 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 14:03:47 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] How top clearing a readonly textbox
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 <6f16cec2-8cd0-cedd-00d3-ba3f91da9d53@gmail.com>
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Excellent! Thank you. Simple and works no matter what the control is.

cheers

bruce

On 26/11/22 1:59 pm, Jussi Lahtinen wrote:
> Sorry, this is correct:
> bReadOnly = False
> Try bReadOnly = ctl.ReadOnly
>
> If bReadOnly = False Then
> Try ctl.Clear
> Endif
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 5:27 AM Jussi Lahtinen 
> <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com <mailto:jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Try bReadOnly = ctl.ReadOnly
>
>     If bReadOnly = False Then
>     Try ctl.Clear
>     Endif
>
>     Jussi
>
>
>     On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 5:17 AM BB <adamnt42 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:adamnt42 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         Yeah, I over simplified my problem. I'm trying to clear a form
>         by going through all the controls and trying to "clear" them.
>
>         As in
>
>          ??? For Each ctl as Object in Me.controls?? ' (ctl has to be an Object as it could be a control or it could be a container.)
>                  Try ctl.Clear
>              Next
>
>         Since I don't know what the ctl is I cant check if its
>         read-only before trying to clear it. As in I can't do
>
>              If ctl.ReadOnly Then Continue
>
>         and obviously not
>
>              Try If ctl.ReadOnly Then Continue
>
>         I know it could be done with a lot of complex checking for
>         what type of control each one is but I was trying to avoid that.
>
>              Dim thisTextBox as TextBox
>              Dim thisTextArea as TextArea
>              ' etc etc etc etc
>         ...
>              For Each ctl as Object in Me.Controls
>         	If ctl Is TextBox Then
>         		thisTextBox=ctl
>         		if not thisTextBox.ReadOnly then thisTextBox.Clear
>         	Else If ctl Is TextArea
>         		etc
>         	Else If ctl Is MyCustomTextBox
>         		etc
>         	Else If ctl Is etc etc etc etc for up to 3 gazillion control types and custom control types
>         		
>
>         I have attached a "simplified" demo. The actual case is a very
>         complex form with lots of controls including custom controls.
>
>         bruce
>
>         On 26/11/22 12:51 pm, Jussi Lahtinen wrote:
>>         Might be simplest to check the read only status before
>>         calling Clear().
>>         But this surely works:
>>         Dim sText As String = TextBox1.Text
>>         TextBox1.Clear
>>         TextBox1.Text = sText
>>
>>         The method _Change() is called after the change is done to
>>         the .Text thus it is too late to stop.
>>         Not sure if all this is wanted behavior.
>>
>>
>>         Jussi
>>
>>
>>
>>         On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 3:50 AM BB <adamnt42 at gmail.com
>>         <mailto:adamnt42 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>             As the help says, Textbox.Clear() "Clears the text".
>>             However, in the
>>             case where the textbox is ReadOnly then I don't want this
>>             to happen.
>>
>>             I've tried several ways* but can't stop it. Any clues?
>>
>>             b
>>
>>             * overriding Clear, using Stop Event, even saving the
>>             original text and
>>             re-setting it
>>
>
>         ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette
>         <http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette> ]----
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 04:44:56 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 05:44:56 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] How top clearing a readonly textbox
In-Reply-To: <4d152195-8cc4-8271-f9f0-728203dd2980@gmail.com>
References: <86b3dd59-ad29-8882-7382-1084df705e03@gmail.com>
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 <CAFJMe7Q_NYBWAq6iZS25=78nqv+6L=aMXAfi75P222=jUCk0Fw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFJMe7RC6=sF9UZ25Y3J_g8CpcKwhwVgzwMB2kNPw9efqiwaWw@mail.gmail.com>
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It works, but I'm not sure it is a very good way. It might be better to tag
or group the controls you want to clear.
You can, for example, put into .Tag something like "ToBeCleared ToBeRemoved
ToBeWhatever", etc and use it. It has more usage for less code.

Jussi

On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 5:34 AM BB <adamnt42 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Excellent! Thank you. Simple and works no matter what the control is.
>
> cheers
>
> bruce
> On 26/11/22 1:59 pm, Jussi Lahtinen wrote:
>
> Sorry, this is correct:
> bReadOnly = False
> Try bReadOnly = ctl.ReadOnly
>
> If bReadOnly = False Then
> Try ctl.Clear
> Endif
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 5:27 AM Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Try bReadOnly = ctl.ReadOnly
>>
>> If bReadOnly = False Then
>> Try ctl.Clear
>> Endif
>>
>> Jussi
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 5:17 AM BB <adamnt42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I over simplified my problem. I'm trying to clear a form by going
>>> through all the controls and trying to "clear" them.
>>>
>>> As in
>>>
>>>     For Each ctl as Object in Me.controls   ' (ctl has to be an Object as it could be a control or it could be a container.)
>>>         Try ctl.Clear
>>>     Next
>>>
>>> Since I don't know what the ctl is I cant check if its read-only before
>>> trying to clear it. As in I can't do
>>>
>>>     If ctl.ReadOnly Then Continue
>>>
>>> and obviously not
>>>
>>>     Try If ctl.ReadOnly Then Continue
>>>
>>> I know it could be done with a lot of complex checking for what type of
>>> control each one is but I was trying to avoid that.
>>>
>>>     Dim thisTextBox as TextBox
>>>     Dim thisTextArea as TextArea
>>>     ' etc etc etc etc
>>> ...
>>>     For Each ctl as Object in Me.Controls
>>> 	If ctl Is TextBox Then
>>> 		thisTextBox=ctl
>>> 		if not thisTextBox.ReadOnly then thisTextBox.Clear
>>> 	Else If ctl Is TextArea
>>> 		etc
>>> 	Else If ctl Is MyCustomTextBox
>>> 		etc
>>> 	Else If ctl Is etc etc etc etc for up to 3 gazillion control types and custom control types
>>> 		
>>>
>>>
>>> I have attached a "simplified" demo. The actual case is a very complex
>>> form with lots of controls including custom controls.
>>>
>>> bruce
>>> On 26/11/22 12:51 pm, Jussi Lahtinen wrote:
>>>
>>> Might be simplest to check the read only status before calling Clear().
>>> But this surely works:
>>> Dim sText As String = TextBox1.Text
>>> TextBox1.Clear
>>> TextBox1.Text = sText
>>>
>>> The method _Change() is called after the change is done to the .Text
>>> thus it is too late to stop.
>>> Not sure if all this is wanted behavior.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jussi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 3:50 AM BB <adamnt42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As the help says, Textbox.Clear() "Clears the text". However, in the
>>>> case where the textbox is ReadOnly then I don't want this to happen.
>>>>
>>>> I've tried several ways* but can't stop it. Any clues?
>>>>
>>>> b
>>>>
>>>> * overriding Clear, using Stop Event, even saving the original text and
>>>> re-setting it
>>>
>>>
>>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>>
>>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 04:49:31 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 14:19:31 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] How top clearing a readonly textbox
In-Reply-To: <CAFJMe7Q5gwYB90BU+c3wd2sgSsFOZis-uSaUjeCMGV1CoeU7bA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <86b3dd59-ad29-8882-7382-1084df705e03@gmail.com>
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Will consider that.

b

On 26/11/22 2:14 pm, Jussi Lahtinen wrote:
> It works, but I'm not sure it is a very good way. It might be better 
> to tag or group the controls you want to clear.
> You can, for example, put into .Tag something like "ToBeCleared 
> ToBeRemoved ToBeWhatever", etc and use it. It has more usage for less 
> code.
>
> Jussi
>
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 5:34 AM BB <adamnt42 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:adamnt42 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 8<
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From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Sat Nov 26 05:54:14 2022
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 20:54:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Gambas-user] gambas Disk Management
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----- On Nov 25, 2022, at 2:52 PM, Christof Thalhofer chrisml at deganius.de wrote:

> Am 25.11.22 um 21:56 schrieb Fabien Bodard:
> 
>> New version
> 
> This and the version before was bounced by all Gmail servers. Please
> hide it.
> 
> Alles Gute
> 
> Christof Thalhofer
> 
> --
> Dies ist keine Signatur
> 
> 
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

This is a great tool.

Question : is it possible to identify NSF mounted disks as well using DBUS?

Failure is the key to success; 
 each mistake teaches us something"  .. Morihei Ueshiba
Brian G

From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 06:04:15 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 00:04:15 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] How top clearing a readonly textbox
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References: <86b3dd59-ad29-8882-7382-1084df705e03@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <916c475c-9aec-0e14-85a9-2e8065e421a5@gmail.com>

On 11/25/22 22:16, BB wrote:
> Yeah, I over simplified my problem. I'm trying to clear a form by going through all the controls and trying to "clear" them.

I didn't actually look at your demo, so I may be spinning my wheels here. However, here is a solution similar to Jussi's but 
accomplished in a different way.

[code]
   Dim bHasReadOnly, bReadOnly As Boolean

   For Each ctl As Object In Me.Controls
     Try bReadOnly = Object.GetProperty(ctl, "ReadOnly")
     bHasReadOnly = IIf( Error , False, True)
     If bHasReadOnly Then
       If bReadOnly Then Continue
       ctl.clear
     Endif
   Next
[/code]


-- 
Lee


From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Sat Nov 26 06:37:22 2022
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:37:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Gambas-user] gambas Disk Management
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----- On Nov 25, 2022, at 8:54 PM, Brian G brian at westwoodsvcs.com wrote:

> ----- On Nov 25, 2022, at 2:52 PM, Christof Thalhofer chrisml at deganius.de wrote:
> 
>> Am 25.11.22 um 21:56 schrieb Fabien Bodard:
>> 
>>> New version
>> 
>> This and the version before was bounced by all Gmail servers. Please
>> hide it.
>> 
>> Alles Gute
>> 
>> Christof Thalhofer
>> 
>> --
>> Dies ist keine Signatur
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> 
> This is a great tool.
> 
> Question : is it possible to identify NSF mounted disks as well using DBUS?
> 
> Failure is the key to success;
> each mistake teaches us something"  .. Morihei Ueshiba
> Brian G
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
Hi also your section that picks up the disk ID value currently picks up the length
When I changed it to 
Private Function id_Read() As String

  Dim s As String

  Try s = Quote(Dbus[$sBus & $sApplication][$sMyPath, $sBaseInterface & "Drive"].Id)
  If Error Then s = ""
  Return s

End

It still fails to see the id,
 I include a small script I use to identify disks, it does get the Disk ID
I hope this helps.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
#!/usr/bin/env gbs3
' Gambas Script File Created 11/26/2022 05:27:25.988

use "gb.dbus","gb.xml"

Public Sub main()

  Dim vManaged As Variant[]
  Dim aList As Collection
  Dim sXml As String
  Dim xDevices As New XmlDocument
  Dim xNodes As XmlNode[]
  Dim AppName As String = "system://org.freedesktop.UDisks2"
  Dim DevPath As String = "/org/freedesktop/UDisks2/block_devices"
  Dim DrivePath As String = "/org/freedesktop/UDisks2/drives"
  Dim DrIface As String = "org.freedesktop.UDisks2.Drive"
  Dim Iface As String = "org.freedesktop.UDisks2.Block"
  Dim devs As New String[]
  Dim Drives As New String[]

  sXml = DBus[AppName]._Introspect(DevPath)
  Print "XML Devices\n"; sXml
  xDevices.fromstring(sXml)
  xNodes = xDevices.Root.Children
  Print "Device List"
  For Each pNode As XmlNode In xNodes
    'Print pNode.Name
    If pNode.name <> "node" Then Continue
    For Each elm As Variant In pNode.attributes
      If Not (elm.value Like "Loop*") Then devs.Add(elm.value)
    Next
  Next

  For Each s As String In devs.Sort()
    'Dim dConfig As Variant[] = DBus[AppName][DevPath &/ s, Iface].Configuration
    Print Left(s & String(30, " "), 30), Format(DBus[AppName][DevPath &/ s, Iface].Size, "############0"), DBus[AppName][DevPath &/ s, Iface].Id, DBus[AppName][DevPath &/ s, Iface].IdUsage;;
    Print DBus[AppName][DevPath &/ s, Iface].IdType, (DBus[AppName][DevPath &/ s, Iface].Device).tostring()
  Next

  sXml = DBus[AppName]._Introspect(DrivePath)
  Print "XML Devices\n"; sXml
  xDevices.fromstring(sXml)
  xNodes = xDevices.Root.Children
  Print "Device List"
  For Each pNode As XmlNode In xNodes
    'Print pNode.Name
    If pNode.name <> "node" Then Continue
    For Each elm As Variant In pNode.attributes
      If Not (elm.value Like "Loop*") Then Drives.Add(elm.value)
    Next
  Next

  For Each s As String In Drives.Sort()
    'Dim dConfig As Variant[] = DBus[AppName][DevPath &/ s, Iface].Configuration
    Print Left(s & String(20, " "), 20), Format(DBus[AppName][DrivePath &/ s, drIface].Size, "############0"), "Optical:"; DBus[AppName][DrivePath &/ s, DrIface].Optical, "Media:"; DBus[AppName][DrivePath &/ s, DrIface].Media;;
    Print "Model:"; DBus[AppName][DrivePath &/ s, DrIface].Model, "Removable:"; DBus[AppName][DrivePath &/ s, DrIface].Removable, "Connected:"; DBus[AppName][DrivePath &/ s, DrIface].ConnectionBus
  Next

QUIT 0
catch
Print error.text&"\n" & error.where
End
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

"Failure is the key to success; 
 each mistake teaches us something"  .. Morihei Ueshiba
Brian G


From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 07:09:16 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 16:39:16 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] gambas Disk Management
In-Reply-To: <CAFkCsL7KZmWx3zoVe5gVXyWNe+q10hcRZoCF9nCQSSF7TrKCfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFkCsL4oLuhOfBZx-tDFO7oUgMc+4UVGCrBB_VxLVQEGW=Brcw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFkCsL7KZmWx3zoVe5gVXyWNe+q10hcRZoCF9nCQSSF7TrKCfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20bc8c03-2de5-8d8e-1928-9283cea8505f@gmail.com>

Had a quick try because I was looking for something specific, which was 
the ability to remount an unmounted USB drive without having to pull it 
out and re-insert it. OK, I accept that it's alpha, was just checking.

BUT if a USB is unmounted but still inserted the prog raises the 
"Unknown block device" in _Block._new ?

hth

b


From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 12:42:52 2022
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 12:42:52 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] gambas Disk Management
In-Reply-To: <20bc8c03-2de5-8d8e-1928-9283cea8505f@gmail.com>
References: <CAFkCsL4oLuhOfBZx-tDFO7oUgMc+4UVGCrBB_VxLVQEGW=Brcw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFkCsL7KZmWx3zoVe5gVXyWNe+q10hcRZoCF9nCQSSF7TrKCfg@mail.gmail.com>
 <20bc8c03-2de5-8d8e-1928-9283cea8505f@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFkCsL4HN-XL04=Ekaq9kKRTfHzN=9YkvGxY1rV3iOXnbZSGVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ok now mounting/unmounting will work

and I get still a bug on Drive Id... I say "Id" and gambas seem to call "id"

I think it's a bug in dbus component.
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From bagoneo at libero.it  Sat Nov 26 15:43:18 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 15:43:18 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] VA-API test failed
Message-ID: <aa0970c6-1fa0-ea62-a325-9e263d451bcc@libero.it>


Benoit,

If I open any project with the IDE and the QT5 libraries I get this:

$ GB_GUI=gb.qt5 gambas3
[GFX1-]: glxtest: VA-API test failed: failed to initialise VAAPI connection.
ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment.
ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment.
ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment.
ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment.
[2022-11-26T13:56:09Z ERROR viaduct::backend::ffi] Missing HTTP status
[2022-11-26T13:56:09Z ERROR viaduct::backend::ffi] Missing HTTP status
[2022-11-26T13:56:09Z ERROR viaduct::backend::ffi] Missing HTTP status
[2022-11-26T13:56:09Z ERROR viaduct::backend::ffi] Missing HTTP status
[2022-11-26T13:56:09Z ERROR viaduct::backend::ffi] Missing HTTP status

Regards

Gianluigi

From bagoneo at libero.it  Sat Nov 26 15:46:37 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 15:46:37 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] How top clearing a readonly textbox
In-Reply-To: <916c475c-9aec-0e14-85a9-2e8065e421a5@gmail.com>
References: <86b3dd59-ad29-8882-7382-1084df705e03@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <0a3d5948-08f2-b56e-81fa-b66a2da19050@libero.it>

Il 26/11/22 06:04, T Lee Davidson ha scritto:
> On 11/25/22 22:16, BB wrote:
>> Yeah, I over simplified my problem. I'm trying to clear a form by 
>> going through all the controls and trying to "clear" them.
> 
> I didn't actually look at your demo, so I may be spinning my wheels 
> here. However, here is a solution similar to Jussi's but accomplished in 
> a different way.

Hi,

Maybe this is a stupid way, but if you have a method to uniquely name 
textboxes this might work :

Public Sub Button1_Click()

   Dim ctl As Object

   For Each ctl In Me.Controls
     If ctl.Name Like "*textbox*" And If ctl.readonly Then Print ctl.name
   Next

End

Regards

Gianluigi



From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 15:54:08 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 01:24:08 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] VA-API test failed
In-Reply-To: <aa0970c6-1fa0-ea62-a325-9e263d451bcc@libero.it>
References: <aa0970c6-1fa0-ea62-a325-9e263d451bcc@libero.it>
Message-ID: <25b6c8e9-4a34-1406-09b6-4361916abb37@gmail.com>

$ env GB_GUI=gb.qt5 gambas3

On 27/11/22 1:13 am, gian via User wrote:
>
> Benoit,
>
> If I open any project with the IDE and the QT5 libraries I get this:
>
> $ GB_GUI=gb.qt5 gambas3
> [GFX1-]: glxtest: VA-API test failed: failed to initialise VAAPI 
> connection.
> ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by 
> environment.
> ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by 
> environment.
> ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by 
> environment.
> ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by 
> environment.
> [2022-11-26T13:56:09Z ERROR viaduct::backend::ffi] Missing HTTP status
> [2022-11-26T13:56:09Z ERROR viaduct::backend::ffi] Missing HTTP status
> [2022-11-26T13:56:09Z ERROR viaduct::backend::ffi] Missing HTTP status
> [2022-11-26T13:56:09Z ERROR viaduct::backend::ffi] Missing HTTP status
> [2022-11-26T13:56:09Z ERROR viaduct::backend::ffi] Missing HTTP status
>
> Regards
>
> Gianluigi
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Sat Nov 26 15:57:42 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 15:57:42 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] VA-API test failed
In-Reply-To: <aa0970c6-1fa0-ea62-a325-9e263d451bcc@libero.it>
References: <aa0970c6-1fa0-ea62-a325-9e263d451bcc@libero.it>
Message-ID: <b7b9b616-58cf-9790-5f2d-ea298b41598c@gambas-basic.org>

Le 26/11/2022 ? 15:43, gian via User a ?crit?:
> 
> Benoit,
> 
> If I open any project with the IDE and the QT5 libraries I get this:
> 
> $ GB_GUI=gb.qt5 gambas3
> [GFX1-]: glxtest: VA-API test failed: failed to initialise VAAPI 
> connection.
> ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment.
> ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment.
> ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment.
> ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment.
> [2022-11-26T13:56:09Z ERROR viaduct::backend::ffi] Missing HTTP status
> [2022-11-26T13:56:09Z ERROR viaduct::backend::ffi] Missing HTTP status
> [2022-11-26T13:56:09Z ERROR viaduct::backend::ffi] Missing HTTP status
> [2022-11-26T13:56:09Z ERROR viaduct::backend::ffi] Missing HTTP status
> [2022-11-26T13:56:09Z ERROR viaduct::backend::ffi] Missing HTTP status
> 
> Regards
> 
> Gianluigi
> 

Mmm... You want me to fix your system?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From bagoneo at libero.it  Sat Nov 26 16:03:07 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 16:03:07 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] VA-API test failed
In-Reply-To: <25b6c8e9-4a34-1406-09b6-4361916abb37@gmail.com>
References: <aa0970c6-1fa0-ea62-a325-9e263d451bcc@libero.it>
 <25b6c8e9-4a34-1406-09b6-4361916abb37@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f58bcaa3-c478-04d7-39b7-c23b3d91aba2@libero.it>

Il 26/11/22 15:54, BB ha scritto:
> $ env GB_GUI=gb.qt5 gambas3
> 

Thank you

Gianluigi


From bagoneo at libero.it  Sat Nov 26 16:04:29 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 16:04:29 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] VA-API test failed
In-Reply-To: <b7b9b616-58cf-9790-5f2d-ea298b41598c@gambas-basic.org>
References: <aa0970c6-1fa0-ea62-a325-9e263d451bcc@libero.it>
 <b7b9b616-58cf-9790-5f2d-ea298b41598c@gambas-basic.org>
Message-ID: <f71e676c-988f-3f2b-5c4c-c1aa486a8ebb@libero.it>

Il 26/11/22 15:57, Benoit Minisini ha scritto:
> Le 26/11/2022 ? 15:43, gian via User a ?crit?:
>>
>> Benoit,
>>
>> If I open any project with the IDE and the QT5 libraries I get this:
>>

>>
> 
> Mmm... You want me to fix your system?


Hi Benoit,

Maybe!!! :-)

I've been having these problems for a few days now :-(

Regards

Gianluigi

From bagoneo at libero.it  Sat Nov 26 16:28:26 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 16:28:26 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] How top clearing a readonly textbox
In-Reply-To: <0a3d5948-08f2-b56e-81fa-b66a2da19050@libero.it>
References: <86b3dd59-ad29-8882-7382-1084df705e03@gmail.com>
 <CAFJMe7S93gP6v7FLZ0Y+nTWYZAtLuOYoXBgoMU6Sc3e267SvkQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <6f16cec2-8cd0-cedd-00d3-ba3f91da9d53@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <59db9a0c-a4cf-e06b-3f9a-ebb8835b0773@libero.it>

Il 26/11/22 15:46, gian via User ha scritto:
> Il 26/11/22 06:04, T Lee Davidson ha scritto:
>> On 11/25/22 22:16, BB wrote:
>>> Yeah, I over simplified my problem. I'm trying to clear a form by 
>>> going through all the controls and trying to "clear" them.
>>
>> I didn't actually look at your demo, so I may be spinning my wheels 
>> here. However, here is a solution similar to Jussi's but accomplished 
>> in a different way.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Maybe this is a stupid way, but if you have a method to uniquely name 
> textboxes this might work :
> 
> Public Sub Button1_Click()
> 
>  ? Dim ctl As Object
> 
>  ? For Each ctl In Me.Controls
>  ??? If ctl.Name Like "*textbox*" And If ctl.readonly Then Print ctl.name
>  ? Next
> 
> End
> 
> Regards
> 
> Gianluigi


This way it is more serious:

Public Sub Button1_Click()

   Dim ctl As Object

   For Each ctl In Me.Controls
     If Object.Type(ctl) = "TextBox" And If ctl.readonly Then Print 
ctl.name
   Next

End

Gianluigi

From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Sat Nov 26 16:33:39 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 16:33:39 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] How top clearing a readonly textbox
In-Reply-To: <59db9a0c-a4cf-e06b-3f9a-ebb8835b0773@libero.it>
References: <86b3dd59-ad29-8882-7382-1084df705e03@gmail.com>
 <CAFJMe7S93gP6v7FLZ0Y+nTWYZAtLuOYoXBgoMU6Sc3e267SvkQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <6f16cec2-8cd0-cedd-00d3-ba3f91da9d53@gmail.com>
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Le 26/11/2022 ? 16:28, gian via User a ?crit?:
> 
>  ??? If Object.Type(ctl) = "TextBox" And If ctl.readonly Then 

`If ctl Is TextBox` is far more faster!

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 16:33:39 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 10:33:39 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] How top clearing a readonly textbox
In-Reply-To: <59db9a0c-a4cf-e06b-3f9a-ebb8835b0773@libero.it>
References: <86b3dd59-ad29-8882-7382-1084df705e03@gmail.com>
 <CAFJMe7S93gP6v7FLZ0Y+nTWYZAtLuOYoXBgoMU6Sc3e267SvkQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <6f16cec2-8cd0-cedd-00d3-ba3f91da9d53@gmail.com>
 <916c475c-9aec-0e14-85a9-2e8065e421a5@gmail.com>
 <0a3d5948-08f2-b56e-81fa-b66a2da19050@libero.it>
 <59db9a0c-a4cf-e06b-3f9a-ebb8835b0773@libero.it>
Message-ID: <0ddf2854-ddf0-7512-c9bd-e4ddfbaca652@gmail.com>

On 11/26/22 10:28, gian via User wrote:
> This?way?it?is?more?serious:
> 
> Public?Sub?Button1_Click()
> 
>  ??Dim?ctl?As?Object
> 
>  ??For?Each?ctl?In?Me.Controls
>  ??? If Object.Type(ctl) = "TextBox" And If ctl.readonly Then Print ctl.name
>  ??Next
> 
> End

I didn't keep the email in which BB attached a sample demo of his problem or I'd forward it to you. But, in that message he 
stated that he has many more types of controls other than just textboxes, including custom controls, that he wants to clear. I 
almost missed that until I read his email again more thoroughly.


-- 
Lee


From bagoneo at libero.it  Sat Nov 26 16:39:54 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 16:39:54 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] How top clearing a readonly textbox
In-Reply-To: <9abbb0be-f9d9-0011-274c-5f48453474c4@gambas-basic.org>
References: <86b3dd59-ad29-8882-7382-1084df705e03@gmail.com>
 <CAFJMe7S93gP6v7FLZ0Y+nTWYZAtLuOYoXBgoMU6Sc3e267SvkQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <23caa3b4-248a-5aae-d9f4-f0963f2f9947@libero.it>

Il 26/11/22 16:33, Benoit Minisini ha scritto:
> Le 26/11/2022 ? 16:28, gian via User a ?crit?:
>>
>> ???? If Object.Type(ctl) = "TextBox" And If ctl.readonly Then 
> 
> `If ctl Is TextBox` is far more faster!
> 


This is too simple for my twisted mind ;-)

Regards

Gianluigi

From bagoneo at libero.it  Sat Nov 26 16:47:51 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 16:47:51 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] How top clearing a readonly textbox
In-Reply-To: <0ddf2854-ddf0-7512-c9bd-e4ddfbaca652@gmail.com>
References: <86b3dd59-ad29-8882-7382-1084df705e03@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <19d5f04d-0d77-6518-843e-7dd869a754a1@libero.it>

Il 26/11/22 16:33, T Lee Davidson ha scritto:

> 
> I didn't keep the email in which BB attached a sample demo of his 
> problem or I'd forward it to you. But, in that message he stated that he 
> has many more types of controls other than just textboxes, including 
> custom controls, that he wants to clear. I almost missed that until I 
> read his email again more thoroughly.
> 
> 

Then as my usual, I didn't understand the problem.

Nothing new from the western front

Regards

Gianluigi

P.S. For me it wasn't fruitless, I found out something I didn't know. :-)

From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Sat Nov 26 17:01:50 2022
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (=?UTF-8?B?QnJpYW4gRw==?=)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 19:01:50 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] =?utf-8?q?gambas_Disk_Management?=
In-Reply-To: <CAFkCsL4HN-XL04=Ekaq9kKRTfHzN=9YkvGxY1rV3iOXnbZSGVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFkCsL4oLuhOfBZx-tDFO7oUgMc+4UVGCrBB_VxLVQEGW=Brcw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1669478510.551492896@f33.my.com>


Did you look at the script I included.bit does display the id
--
Thanks
Brian G Saturday, 26 November 2022, 03:44AM -08:00 from Fabien Bodard  gambas.fr at gmail.com :

>Ok now mounting/unmounting will work
>
>and I get still a bug on Drive Id... I say "Id" and gambas seem to call "id"
>
>I think it's a bug in dbus component.
>
>
>----[  http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From bagoneo at libero.it  Sat Nov 26 17:02:55 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 17:02:55 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] How top clearing a readonly textbox
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Il 26/11/22 16:47, gian via User ha scritto:
> Il 26/11/22 16:33, T Lee Davidson ha scritto:
> 
>>
>> I didn't keep the email in which BB attached a sample demo of his 
>> problem or I'd forward it to you. But, in that message he stated that 
>> he has many more types of controls other than just textboxes, 
>> including custom controls, that he wants to clear. I almost missed 
>> that until I read his email again more thoroughly.
>>
>>
> 
> Then as my usual, I didn't understand the problem.
> 
> Nothing new from the western front
> 
> Regards
> 
> Gianluigi
> 
> P.S. For me it wasn't fruitless, I found out something I didn't know. :-)
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

Hi Lee,

If that's what you're referring to:
https://lists.gambas-basic.org/pipermail/user/2022-November/077470.html
I keep understanding it differently from yours.

Can you please explain it better?
Unfortunately, I am Italian and I understand that BB only looks for 
ReadOnly TextBoxes in order to delete them, but only ReadOnly ones.

I believe that Benoit's improved code does the job excellently.

Regards

Gianluigi

From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 17:06:29 2022
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 17:06:29 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] gambas Disk Management
In-Reply-To: <1669478510.551492896@f33.my.com>
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Le sam. 26 nov. 2022 ? 17:02, Brian G <brian at westwoodsvcs.com> a ?crit :

> Did you look at the script I included.bit does display the id
>
> --tte <http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette> ]----
>

Yes I've see it but for this component I need to limit the workaround. And
be based on the dbus component regular call.
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From bagoneo at libero.it  Sat Nov 26 17:13:43 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 17:13:43 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] How top clearing a readonly textbox
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Il 26/11/22 16:39, gian via User ha scritto:
> Il 26/11/22 16:33, Benoit Minisini ha scritto:
>> Le 26/11/2022 ? 16:28, gian via User a ?crit?:
>>>
>>> ???? If Object.Type(ctl) = "TextBox" And If ctl.readonly Then 
>>
>> `If ctl Is TextBox` is far more faster!
>>
> 
> 
> This is too simple for my twisted mind ;-)
> 
> Regards
> 
> Gianluigi
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

Hi Benoit,

To be funny, I forgot to thank you for the trick.

I do it now: Thank you very much :-)

Regards

Gianluigi




From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 17:19:50 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 11:19:50 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] How top clearing a readonly textbox
In-Reply-To: <ab7e9e44-714f-c20e-f88b-2f6706e30b78@libero.it>
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On 11/26/22 11:02, gian via User wrote:
> If?that's?what?you're?referring?to:
> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/pipermail/user/2022-November/077470.html
> I?keep?understanding?it?differently?from?yours.

Yes, that is the one to which I was referring. In that, he says:

> I'm trying to clear a form by going through all the controls and trying to "clear" them.
[snip]
> I know it could be done with a lot of complex checking for what type of 
> control each one is but I was trying to avoid that.
> 
>      Dim thisTextBox as TextBox
>      Dim thisTextArea as TextArea
>      ' etc etc etc etc
> ...
>      For Each ctl as Object in Me.Controls
> 	If ctl Is TextBox Then
> 		thisTextBox=ctl
> 		if not thisTextBox.ReadOnly then thisTextBox.Clear
> 	Else If ctl Is TextArea
> 		etc
> 	Else If ctl Is MyCustomTextBox
> 		etc
> 	Else If ctl Is etc etc etc etc for up to 3 gazillion control types and custom control types

 From the first sentence, I gather he is wanting to clear any control that has a Clear method. And, he mentions not only 
TextBox, but also TextArea, MyCustomTextBox, and "up to 3 gazillion control types and custom control types".

I hope that helps.


-- 
Lee


From bagoneo at libero.it  Sat Nov 26 17:34:42 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 17:34:42 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] How top clearing a readonly textbox
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Il 26/11/22 17:19, T Lee Davidson ha scritto:
> On 11/26/22 11:02, gian via User wrote:
>> If?that's?what?you're?referring?to:
>> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/pipermail/user/2022-November/077470.html
>> I?keep?understanding?it?differently?from?yours.
> 
> Yes, that is the one to which I was referring. In that, he says:
> 


Yes now I read more carefully, and I also noticed that Benoit was not 
suggesting a trick but suggesting to read BB's question better.

Gee I'm worried it's not enough for me to read two or three times 
anymore to understand the questions.

I guess senile senility is advancing faster than I feared :-(

Have a good Sunday everyone

Gianluigi


From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 18:14:35 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 12:14:35 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] How top clearing a readonly textbox
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On 11/26/22 11:34, gian via User wrote:
> Yes now I read more carefully, and I also noticed that Benoit was not 
> suggesting?a?trick?but?suggesting?to?read?BB's?question?better.

Not to speak for him, but I'm fairly certain Beno?t's intent was indeed to point out a performance tip which, BTW, I found to be 
interesting and good to know. Although, his post may have been dual-purpose as well.

> 
> Gee I'm worried it's not enough for me to read two or three times anymore?to?understand?the?questions.

Don't worry, Gianluigi. As I mentioned, I almost missed the "gazillion different types of controls" [slightly paraphrased] until 
I reread BB's post. I think you understand things, even the English language, just fine.


-- 
Lee


From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 18:37:16 2022
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 18:37:16 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] How top clearing a readonly textbox
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Easy

Create a class named TextBox

In it just add

Public Sub Clear()

  If not super.ReadOnly then Super.Clear

End

This override the TextBox.Clear function as you want

Le sam. 26 nov. 2022 ? 18:15, T Lee Davidson <t.lee.davidson at gmail.com> a
?crit :

> On 11/26/22 11:34, gian via User wrote:
> > Yes now I read more carefully, and I also noticed that Benoit was not
> > suggesting a trick but suggesting to read BB's question better.
>
> Not to speak for him, but I'm fairly certain Beno?t's intent was indeed to
> point out a performance tip which, BTW, I found to be
> interesting and good to know. Although, his post may have been
> dual-purpose as well.
>
> >
> > Gee I'm worried it's not enough for me to read two or three times
> anymore to understand the questions.
>
> Don't worry, Gianluigi. As I mentioned, I almost missed the "gazillion
> different types of controls" [slightly paraphrased] until
> I reread BB's post. I think you understand things, even the English
> language, just fine.
>
>
> --
> Lee
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Sat Nov 26 20:38:48 2022
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 11:38:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Gambas-user] gambas Disk Management
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----- On Nov 26, 2022, at 8:06 AM, Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com> wrote: 

> Le sam. 26 nov. 2022 ? 17:02, Brian G < [ mailto:brian at westwoodsvcs.com |
> brian at westwoodsvcs.com ] > a ?crit :

>> Did you look at the script I included.bit does display the id

>> -- [ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette | tte ] ]----

> Yes I've see it but for this component I need to limit the workaround. And be
> based on the dbus component regular call.

> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
I see Ben added the support... cool 

"Failure is the key to success; 
each mistake teaches us something" .. Morihei Ueshiba 
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From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 21:34:40 2022
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 21:34:40 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] gambas Disk Management
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Le sam. 26 nov. 2022 ? 20:39, Brian G <brian at westwoodsvcs.com> a ?crit :

> ----- On Nov 26, 2022, at 8:06 AM, Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Le sam. 26 nov. 2022 ? 17:02, Brian G <brian at westwoodsvcs.com> a ?crit :
>
>> Did you look at the script I included.bit does display the id
>>
>> --tte <http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette> ]----
>>
>
> Yes I've see it but for this component I need to limit the workaround. And
> be based on the dbus component regular call.
>
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
> I see Ben added the support... cool
>

And I've found my problem.

It come from the fact I've named _Drive property 'id' and not 'Id'.. well I
don't know why it matter but...


>
>
> "Failure is the key to success;
>  each mistake teaches us something"  .. Morihei Ueshiba
> Brian G
>
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Sat Nov 26 21:41:29 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 21:41:29 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] gambas Disk Management
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Le 26/11/2022 ? 21:34, Fabien Bodard a ?crit?:
> 
> And I've found my problem.
> 
> It come from the fact I've named _Drive property 'id' and not 'Id'.. 
> well I don't know why it matter but...
> 

DBus identifiers are case sensitive. Consequently, calling DBus proxy 
object properties or methods is case sensitive too.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 22:26:30 2022
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 22:26:30 +0100
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Le sam. 26 nov. 2022 ? 21:42, Benoit Minisini
<benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org> a ?crit :
>
> Le 26/11/2022 ? 21:34, Fabien Bodard a ?crit :
> >
> > And I've found my problem.
> >
> > It come from the fact I've named _Drive property 'id' and not 'Id'..
> > well I don't know why it matter but...
> >
>
> DBus identifiers are case sensitive. Consequently, calling DBus proxy
> object properties or methods is case sensitive too.

but In this case the problem was not on the DBus calling.
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini.
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----


I join a short program that show the failure  (Change the disk id for
testing your own)


-- 
Fabien Bodard
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From bagoneo at libero.it  Sat Nov 26 23:42:33 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 23:42:33 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] How top clearing a readonly textbox
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Il 26/11/22 18:37, Fabien Bodard ha scritto:
> Easy
> 
> Create a class named TextBox
> 
> In it just add
> 
> Public Sub Clear()
> 
>  ? If not super.ReadOnly then Super.Clear
> 
> End
> 
> This override the TextBox.Clear function as you want


Hi Fabien,

Sorry for the late reply and guess what, I didn't understand how it 
should be done.
It doesn't work for me :-(

If you feel like explaining it you have all the time you want because I 
am going to sleep now. :-)

Good night and thank you

Gianluigi


From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 12:49:46 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 11:49:46 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Fileview file chooser preview limit
Message-ID: <CABuQYCAyJ6Qv=L7DdK39KXqN2Z1gAAG5Wiz25dVHxnegv8D5=A@mail.gmail.com>

Seems a fileview file chooser will not show a preview of an image file
above a certain size about 4.5mb

Can it preview all files?

Respects
BruceS
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From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 13:51:47 2022
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 13:51:47 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Fileview file chooser preview limit
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Le dim. 27 nov. 2022 ? 12:50, Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Seems a fileview file chooser will not show a preview of an image file
> above a certain size about 4.5mb
>
> Can it preview all files?
>
> Respects
> BruceS
>

In fact it will be possible if we use the freedesktop thumbnails system.

But it use a system who embbed a part of the info of the thumbnail in the
generated PNG. And I've not find how to deal with png meta datas.

If I have this info I can finish my thumbnail manager and allow the
fileview to display more biggest picture but also all kind of preview. ?.

Beno?t have limited the size because of the time for image loading for big
picture.




>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 15:25:22 2022
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 15:25:22 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] How top clearing a readonly textbox
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Sorry I forgot one line :-)

You must to export the class

I join a demo.

Be carrefull It change the way of all the text boxes of your project.

You can also make a class named "MyTextBox" with

Export
Inherit TextBox

Public Sub Clear()

  If not super.ReadOnly then Super.Clear

End

This way only your class is changed.

Regards,

-- 
Fabien Bodard

From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 15:25:51 2022
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
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Le dim. 27 nov. 2022 ? 15:25, Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>
> Sorry I forgot one line :-)
>
> You must to export the class
>
> I join a demo.
>
> Be carrefull It change the way of all the text boxes of your project.
>
> You can also make a class named "MyTextBox" with
>
> Export
> Inherit TextBox
>
> Public Sub Clear()
>
>   If not super.ReadOnly then Super.Clear
>
> End
>
> This way only your class is changed.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Fabien Bodard



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From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 15:26:33 2022
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 15:26:33 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] How top clearing a readonly textbox
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Le dim. 27 nov. 2022 ? 15:25, Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>
> Le dim. 27 nov. 2022 ? 15:25, Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com> a ?crit :
> >
> > Sorry I forgot one line :-)
> >
> > You must to export the class
> >
> > I join a demo.
> >
> > Be carrefull It change the way of all the text boxes of your project.
> >
> > You can also make a class named "MyTextBox" with
> >
> > Export
> > Inherit TextBox
> >
> > Public Sub Clear()
> >
> >   If not super.ReadOnly then Super.Clear
> >
> > End
> >
> > This way only your class is changed.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > --
> > Fabien Bodard
>
>
>
> --
> Fabien Bodard



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From bagoneo at libero.it  Sun Nov 27 16:03:22 2022
From: bagoneo at libero.it (gian)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 16:03:22 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] How top clearing a readonly textbox
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Il 27/11/22 15:26, Fabien Bodard ha scritto:
> Le dim. 27 nov. 2022 ? 15:25, Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>>
>> Le dim. 27 nov. 2022 ? 15:25, Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>>>
>>> Sorry I forgot one line :-)
>>>
>>> You must to export the class
>>>
>>> I join a demo.
>>>
>>> Be carrefull It change the way of all the text boxes of your project.
>>>
>>> You can also make a class named "MyTextBox" with
>>>
>>> Export
>>> Inherit TextBox
>>>
>>> Public Sub Clear()
>>>
>>>    If not super.ReadOnly then Super.Clear
>>>
>>> End
>>>
>>> This way only your class is changed.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Fabien Bodard
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Fabien Bodard
> 

Hi Fabien,

thank you very much, I had tried 'Create Static' and 'Inherits', one 
should not stop at the first difficulties....

I also had the doubt that it was a BB trap.
That by connecting the YAMAHA, this, instead of strangling itself, 
should strangle BB :-)

You are always kind to clumsy people like me.

Have a good Sunday

Gianluigi


From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Sun Nov 27 18:57:42 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 18:57:42 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Fileview file chooser preview limit
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Le 27/11/2022 ? 12:49, Bruce Steers a ?crit?:
> Seems a fileview file chooser will not show a preview of an image file 
> above a certain size about 4.5mb
> 
> Can it preview all files?
> 
> Respects
> BruceS
> 

What do you want exactly? An option to have no file size limit? An 
option to define exactly what the limit is?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 19:34:42 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 18:34:42 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Fileview file chooser preview limit
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Probably better to let programmer set a desired alternative size if wanted
but then could use 0 for unlimited?

Personally I want unlimited.

And also an exif auto correct orientation option for previews would be
awesome ?

I tried to use the Icon event but was massively slow.

I modified FileView to be unlimited size previews and auto-orientate using
exiftool and speed was something I could live with (considering the results
were much better) as it uses the Task.class

But just allowing limit size/off would be a great option. Cheers Ben

Respects
BruceS


On Sun, 27 Nov 2022, 17:58 Benoit Minisini, <
benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org> wrote:

> Le 27/11/2022 ? 12:49, Bruce Steers a ?crit :
> > Seems a fileview file chooser will not show a preview of an image file
> > above a certain size about 4.5mb
> >
> > Can it preview all files?
> >
> > Respects
> > BruceS
> >
>
> What do you want exactly? An option to have no file size limit? An
> option to define exactly what the limit is?
>
> --
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>
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From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Mon Nov 28 20:38:50 2022
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 11:38:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Gambas-user] gambas Disk Management
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----- On Nov 26, 2022, at 1:26 PM, Fabien Bodard gambas.fr at gmail.com wrote:

> Le sam. 26 nov. 2022 ? 21:42, Benoit Minisini
> <benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org> a ?crit :
>>
>> Le 26/11/2022 ? 21:34, Fabien Bodard a ?crit :
>> >
>> > And I've found my problem.
>> >
>> > It come from the fact I've named _Drive property 'id' and not 'Id'..
>> > well I don't know why it matter but...
>> >
>>
>> DBus identifiers are case sensitive. Consequently, calling DBus proxy
>> object properties or methods is case sensitive too.
> 
> but In this case the problem was not on the DBus calling.
>>
>> --
>> Beno?t Minisini.
>>
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> 
> 
> I join a short program that show the failure  (Change the disk id for
> testing your own)
> 
> 
> --
> Fabien Bodard
> 
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
I wonder if it would be possible to make the bdbusproxy enumeratable, rather than using a _getsymbol call
It seems that it would be vary useful.

From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Mon Nov 28 21:44:11 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 21:44:11 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] gambas Disk Management
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Le 28/11/2022 ? 20:38, Brian G a ?crit?:
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> I wonder if it would be possible to make the bdbusproxy enumeratable, rather than using a _getsymbol call
> It seems that it would be vary useful.
> 

Don't use it, it's not public API at the moment.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


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From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (=?UTF-8?B?QnJpYW4gRw==?=)
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Ho should one enumerate then
--
Thanks
Brian G Monday, 28 November 2022, 00:45PM -08:00 from Benoit Minisini  benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org :

>Le 28/11/2022 ? 20:38, Brian G a ?crit?:
>> ----[  http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> I wonder if it would be possible to make the bdbusproxy enumeratable, rather than using a _getsymbol call
> It seems that it would be vary useful.
>
>
>Don't use it, it's not public API at the moment.
>
>-- 
>Beno?t Minisini.
>
>
>----[  http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 08:04:15 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2022 17:34:15 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Module is not static
Message-ID: <ff95d6bb-0ea9-2265-9c5c-6615edbe1c6a@gmail.com>

I'm reviving an old project, not used since Feb 2020, that re/generates 
the Gambas source code for some other project. (Essentially, like the 
Advanced/Format Code in the IDE but with a lot more, anyway...).

But suddenly I have a module "Template" (that contains a set of public 
constants and that's all) that when I refer to it in my code generator I 
get errors like "_ERR: 'Template.ConstDec' is not static_".

The top of the Template module looks like :

' Gambas module file

''' This module contains the code templates for all the code generated by the program.

'=================================================================
'====                        Constants                        ====
'=================================================================
Public Const EventDec As String = "Event #NAME(#SIGNATURE) "      '
Public Const PropertyDec As String = "#STATIC Property #READONLY #NAME #ALIASES As #DATATYPE " '
Public Const GlobalDec As String = "#STATIC #SCOPE #NAME As #AUTOCREATE #DATATYPE #DEFAULTVALUE " '
Public Const ArrayDec As String = "#SCOPE #NAME As #AUTOCREATE #DATATYPE [ #DIMENSIONS ] " '
*Public Const ConstDec As String = "#SCOPE Const #NAME As #DATATYPE = 
#VALUE " ' *
Public Const StructDec As String = "Public Struct #NAME \n  #STRUCTITEMS\n  End Struct" '

and a sample failing line is

   sCode = Replace(*Template.ConstDec*, "#SCOPE", IIf(Me.IsPrivate, "Private", "Public"))

This worked fine two years ago. Any idea what I could be doing wrong?

tia

bruce


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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Tue Nov 29 08:12:00 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2022 08:12:00 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Module is not static
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Le 29/11/2022 ? 08:04, BB a ?crit?:
> I'm reviving an old project, not used since Feb 2020, that re/generates 
> the Gambas source code for some other project. (Essentially, like the 
> Advanced/Format Code in the IDE but with a lot more, anyway...).
> 
> But suddenly I have a module "Template" (that contains a set of public 
> constants and that's all) that when I refer to it in my code generator I 
> get errors like "_ERR: 'Template.ConstDec' is not static_".
> 
> The top of the Template module looks like :
> 
> ' Gambas module file
> 
> ''' This module contains the code templates for all the code generated by the program.
> 
> '=================================================================
> '====                        Constants                        ====
> '=================================================================
> Public Const EventDec As String = "Event #NAME(#SIGNATURE) "      '
> Public Const PropertyDec As String = "#STATIC Property #READONLY #NAME #ALIASES As #DATATYPE " '
> Public Const GlobalDec As String = "#STATIC #SCOPE #NAME As #AUTOCREATE #DATATYPE #DEFAULTVALUE " '
> Public Const ArrayDec As String = "#SCOPE #NAME As #AUTOCREATE #DATATYPE [ #DIMENSIONS ] " '
> *Public Const ConstDec As String = "#SCOPE Const #NAME As #DATATYPE = 
> #VALUE " ' *
> Public Const StructDec As String = "Public Struct #NAME \n  #STRUCTITEMS\n  End Struct" '
> 
> and a sample failing line is
> 
>    sCode = Replace(*Template.ConstDec*, "#SCOPE", IIf(Me.IsPrivate, "Private", "Public"))
> 
> This worked fine two years ago. Any idea what I could be doing wrong?
> 
> tia
> 
> bruce
> 

Don't you have another 'Template' somewhere as a variable?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 08:32:09 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2022 18:02:09 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Module is not static
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On 29/11/22 5:42 pm, Benoit Minisini wrote:
>
> Don't you have another 'Template' somewhere as a variable?
>
Not that I can see, they are all references to the module constants.

I also searched for it all the components used. There were no hits.

I'll try changing the name of the module to see if that adds any light.

bruce

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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 08:43:01 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2022 18:13:01 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Module is not static
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On 29/11/22 6:02 pm, BB wrote:
> On 29/11/22 5:42 pm, Benoit Minisini wrote:
>>
>> Don't you have another 'Template' somewhere as a variable?
>>
> Not that I can see, they are all references to the module constants.
>
> I'll try changing the name of the module to see if that adds any light.
>
> bruce
>
Yep, renaming the module to "CodeTemplates" fixed it. Is it a newish 
reserved word or something in the IDE/debugger that could have caused it?

b


From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Tue Nov 29 10:45:26 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2022 10:45:26 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Module is not static
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Le 29/11/2022 ? 08:43, BB a ?crit?:
> On 29/11/22 6:02 pm, BB wrote:
>> On 29/11/22 5:42 pm, Benoit Minisini wrote:
>>>
>>> Don't you have another 'Template' somewhere as a variable?
>>>
>> Not that I can see, they are all references to the module constants.
>>
>> I'll try changing the name of the module to see if that adds any light.
>>
>> bruce
>>
> Yep, renaming the module to "CodeTemplates" fixed it. Is it a newish 
> reserved word or something in the IDE/debugger that could have caused it?
> 
> b
> 

I don't use 'Template' anywhere as far as I know. Are you sure that you 
don't export a 'Template' class somewhere?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 11:54:23 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2022 21:24:23 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Module is not static
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On 29/11/22 8:15 pm, Benoit Minisini wrote:
>
> I don't use 'Template' anywhere as far as I know. Are you sure that 
> you don't export a 'Template' class somewhere?
>
Found it! For some reason lost in the mists of time I was loading the 
code generator project as a component inside itself. Difficult to 
achieve in the known universe but nevertheless.

Anyway, no real matter. It's all solved now.

regards

bruce

p.s. You do use it. In the IDE ProjectBox class, "Public Template As 
Boolean". I actually found it running the IDE source through the 
generator. ?


From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 15:14:36 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2022 00:44:36 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Infinities and division
Message-ID: <428549b2-a50f-6d12-1285-75ac60f628ed@gmail.com>

I'm not real good on infinite mathematics but

	If Abs((.Actual - .Predicted) / .Predicted) > 0.005 Then

throws a "Division by zero (26)" error when .Actual = -Inf and 
.Predicted = (a normal real like) 63.665584

Is that correct? Because to me it's a very misleading error.

regards

bruce

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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Tue Nov 29 15:23:51 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2022 15:23:51 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Infinities and division
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Le 29/11/2022 ? 15:14, BB a ?crit?:
> I'm not real good on infinite mathematics but
> 
> 	If Abs((.Actual - .Predicted) / .Predicted) > 0.005 Then
> 
> throws a "Division by zero (26)" error when .Actual = -Inf and 
> .Predicted = (a normal real like) 63.665584
> 
> Is that correct? Because to me it's a very misleading error.
> 
> regards
> 
> bruce
> 

Indeed. It's because "/" raises "Division by zero" as soon as it does 
not return a real number.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Tue Nov 29 15:24:40 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2022 15:24:40 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Infinities and division
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References: <428549b2-a50f-6d12-1285-75ac60f628ed@gmail.com>
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Le 29/11/2022 ? 15:23, Benoit Minisini a ?crit?:
> Le 29/11/2022 ? 15:14, BB a ?crit?:
>> I'm not real good on infinite mathematics but
>>
>> ????If Abs((.Actual - .Predicted) / .Predicted) > 0.005 Then
>>
>> throws a "Division by zero (26)" error when .Actual = -Inf and 
>> .Predicted = (a normal real like) 63.665584
>>
>> Is that correct? Because to me it's a very misleading error.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> bruce
>>
> 
> Indeed. It's because "/" raises "Division by zero" as soon as it does 
> not return a real number.
> 

But should it raise an error in that case, or return the infinites?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 15:28:42 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2022 00:58:42 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Infinities and division
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On 30/11/22 12:54 am, Benoit Minisini wrote:
> Le 29/11/2022 ? 15:23, Benoit Minisini a ?crit?:
>> Le 29/11/2022 ? 15:14, BB a ?crit?:
>>> I'm not real good on infinite mathematics but
>>>
>>> ????If Abs((.Actual - .Predicted) / .Predicted) > 0.005 Then
>>>
>>> throws a "Division by zero (26)" error when .Actual = -Inf and 
>>> .Predicted = (a normal real like) 63.665584
>>>
>>> Is that correct? Because to me it's a very misleading error.
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>> bruce
>>>
>>
>> Indeed. It's because "/" raises "Division by zero" as soon as it does 
>> not return a real number.
>>
>
> But should it raise an error in that case, or return the infinites?
>
I'd accept an error just stating "Improper infinite math" or something 
like that. But I accept your answer anyway, it's just that I spent some 
time trying to figure out why 63.665584 equals zero. ?

bruce


From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 19:41:07 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2022 20:41:07 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Infinities and division
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>
> But should it raise an error in that case, or return the infinites?
>

I would follow mathematical logic. Infinite / x and x / infinite are not
defined and thus error should be raised.

Jussi
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 19:52:48 2022
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2022 20:52:48 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Infinities and division
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... also this would be consistent with not allowing divide by zero (which
would be kinda x / 0 = infinity).
And furthermore this would prevent illogical things like:
If infinite / 1 = infinite / 2 Then Print "Yes, 1 is totally equal to 2."


Jussi


On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 8:41 PM Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>
wrote:

> But should it raise an error in that case, or return the infinites?
>>
>
> I would follow mathematical logic. Infinite / x and x / infinite are not
> defined and thus error should be raised.
>
> Jussi
>
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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Tue Nov 29 20:37:19 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
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Le 29/11/2022 ? 19:52, Jussi Lahtinen a ?crit?:
> ... also this would be consistent with not allowing divide by zero 
> (which would be kinda x / 0 = infinity).
> And furthermore this would prevent illogical things like:
> If infinite / 1 = infinite / 2 Then Print "Yes, 1 is totally equal to 2."
> 

Mmm. Yes, you're right.

It's better to raise an error as soon as we see an infinite, even if 
this is not how the CPU floating point works.

If someone want to play with non-standard analysis, it's not a good idea 
to rely on standard CPU floating points.

Regards,

-- 
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Mmmmm, debateable.

On 30/11/22 5:22 am, Jussi Lahtinen wrote:
> ... also this would be consistent with not allowing divide by zero 
> (which would be kinda x / 0 = infinity).
> And furthermore this would prevent illogical things like:
> If infinite / 1 = infinite / 2 Then Print "Yes, 1 is totally equal to 2."
>
>
> Jussi
>
(This one I do know)

Mathematically, from the "Infinite Hotel" story,

 ??? infinity <> infinity.

But, in Gambas

 ??? +Inf = +Inf

should be true as +Inf is not really "infinity", It's a constant 
representing "a very big number". Otherwise, the constant is generally 
useless.

bruce




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>
> Mathematically, from the "Infinite Hotel" story,
>
>      infinity <> infinity.
>

No, in Hilbert's hotel there is only one sized infinity (countably infinite
set, example natural numbers and integers).
It just demonstrates the counterintuitive property of it.  However there
are different sizes of infinity, for example the set of real numbers is
uncountably infinite. IE set of integers and set of real numbers are
different in size, but set of integers and set of natural numbers are the
same size.


But, in Gambas
>
>      +Inf = +Inf
>
> should be true as +Inf is not really "infinity", It's a constant
> representing "a very big number". Otherwise, the constant is generally
> useless.
>

Yes, that is true as it is the same constant in both sides of the equation.
However that does not correspond to the mathematical concept (it's not a
number) of infinity.
And it should not be used in arithmetics, only for some conditionals if at
all.


Jussi
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 23:59:52 2022
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On 30/11/22 9:01 am, Jussi Lahtinen wrote:
>
>     Mathematically, from the "Infinite Hotel" story,
>
>     ???? infinity <> infinity.
>
>
> No, in Hilbert's hotel there is only one sized infinity (countably 
> infinite set, example natural numbers and integers).
> It just demonstrates the counterintuitive property of it.? However 
> there are different sizes of infinity, for example the set of real 
> numbers is uncountably infinite. IE set of integers and set of real 
> numbers are different in size, but set of integers and set of natural 
> numbers are the same size.
Oh, OK. I don't really understand it as I said.
>
>     But, in Gambas
>
>     ???? +Inf = +Inf
>
>     should be true as +Inf is not really "infinity", It's a constant
>     representing "a very big number". Otherwise, the constant is
>     generally
>     useless.
>
>
> Yes, that is true as it is the same constant in both sides of the 
> equation. However that does not correspond to the mathematical concept 
> (it's not a number) of infinity.
> And it should not be used in arithmetics, only for some conditionals 
> if at all.
>
>
No, I think we do need some arithmetics:

If ( +-Inf + X ) = +Inf = ' -> true, no matter if X is real or natural 
but if X = +Inf?

If ( +-Inf - X ) = +-Inf ' -> true, no matter if X is real or natural 
but if X = +-Inf?

if ( +-Inf * X ) = +-Inf '-> true, no matter if X is real or natural, 
and possibly if X = +-Inf

if ( +-Inf / X ) '-> "Improper Infinites Error"

If ( X / +-Inf ) '-> "Improper Infinites Error"

If ( +-Inf ^ X ) '-> I dont know

if ( X ^ = +-Inf ) '-> I dont know

and there are some debatable points such as -Inf + +Inf hinted at above. 
There may be others, Sin(+-Inf)? etc and why btw does Tan(Rad(90)) 
return 1.63312393531954E+16 ?

I also note that CInt( +-Inf) does return a valid integer, which is fine 
and good for my current purposes.

This topic is bigger than I thought.

regards

bruce

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From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Wed Nov 30 00:10:55 2022
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Le 29/11/2022 ? 23:59, BB a ?crit?:
> 
> On 30/11/22 9:01 am, Jussi Lahtinen wrote:
>>
>>     Mathematically, from the "Infinite Hotel" story,
>>
>>     ???? infinity <> infinity.
>>
>>
>> No, in Hilbert's hotel there is only one sized infinity (countably 
>> infinite set, example natural numbers and integers).
>> It just demonstrates the counterintuitive property of it.? However 
>> there are different sizes of infinity, for example the set of real 
>> numbers is uncountably infinite. IE set of integers and set of real 
>> numbers are different in size, but set of integers and set of natural 
>> numbers are the same size.
> Oh, OK. I don't really understand it as I said.
>>
>>     But, in Gambas
>>
>>     ???? +Inf = +Inf
>>
>>     should be true as +Inf is not really "infinity", It's a constant
>>     representing "a very big number". Otherwise, the constant is
>>     generally
>>     useless.
>>
>>
>> Yes, that is true as it is the same constant in both sides of the 
>> equation. However that does not correspond to the mathematical concept 
>> (it's not a number) of infinity.
>> And it should not be used in arithmetics, only for some conditionals 
>> if at all.
>>
>>
> No, I think we do need some arithmetics:
> 
> If ( +-Inf + X ) = +Inf = ' -> true, no matter if X is real or natural 
> but if X = +Inf?
> 
> If ( +-Inf - X ) = +-Inf ' -> true, no matter if X is real or natural 
> but if X = +-Inf?
> 
> if ( +-Inf * X ) = +-Inf '-> true, no matter if X is real or natural, 
> and possibly if X = +-Inf
> 
> if ( +-Inf / X ) '-> "Improper Infinites Error"
> 
> If ( X / +-Inf ) '-> "Improper Infinites Error"
> 
> If ( +-Inf ^ X ) '-> I dont know
> 
> if ( X ^ = +-Inf ) '-> I dont know
> 
> and there are some debatable points such as -Inf + +Inf hinted at above. 
> There may be others, Sin(+-Inf)? etc and why btw does Tan(Rad(90)) 
> return 1.63312393531954E+16 ?
> 
> I also note that CInt( +-Inf) does return a valid integer, which is fine 
> and good for my current purposes.
> 
> This topic is bigger than I thought.
> 
> regards
> 
> bruce

All you see in Gambas is actually handled by the CPU and is based on the 
IEEE 754 standard (which defines these infinities things). So I don't 
think it will change.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.


From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 00:29:17 2022
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> No, I think we do need some arithmetics:
>
All this is just going to bite your ass sooner or later. As shown earlier,
it yields the result 1 = 2.
Also, adding to the confusion list; what would be Inf * 0 ? There just
aren't logical answers when you treat infinity as a number. It's simply
wrong. Illogical.


... why btw does Tan(Rad(90)) return 1.63312393531954E+16 ?
>

That is just the notification, where XE+Y = X * 10^Y.


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On 30/11/22 9:59 am, Jussi Lahtinen wrote:
>
>     No, I think we do need some arithmetics:
>
> All this is just going to bite your ass sooner or later. As shown 
> earlier, it yields the result 1 = 2.
> Also, adding to the confusion list; what would be Inf * 0 ? There just 
> aren't logical answers when you treat infinity as a number. It's 
> simply wrong. Illogical.

Ah, I was talking about arithmetic using the constants not arithmetic on 
"actual infinities". In fact I am quite happy, mathematically, that 
Infinity / 1 does equal Infinity / 2 does equal Infinity / X (For X in 
R) but doesn't equal Infinity / Infinity.

But +Inf / 2 is a completely different thing. A "very large (real) 
number" / 2 does equal a "very large (real) number" or does it?? Is the

  f(x)=Limit(x=1 -> +Inf) x / y

,where y is any fixed real number, computable?

>
>     ... why btw does Tan(Rad(90)) return 1.63312393531954E+16 ?
>
>
> That is just the notification, where XE+Y = X * 10^Y.
>
IMO it should return NaN but I guess it's because there is a real number 
returned by Rad(90) and therefore a real result to the Tan() function. 
In fact it looks like there is no way to get a Tan("90 degrees") as all 
the means of getting the radians involve real number calculations. OK we 
can forget about this one.

I am satisfied with Benoit's answer to this (satisfied but not happy? 
as I now "have to" read another damn IEEE doc)

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> Ah, I was talking about arithmetic using the constants not arithmetic on
> "actual infinities". In fact I am quite happy, mathematically, ...
>
Mathematically, infinity is not a number. And arithmetics on the constant
doesn't make much sense either, moreover it is completely unnecessary.
There are better ways than relying on it.
When people say 1 / Inf = 0, they mean the limit x->Inf, 1/x. Not the
actual calculation. 1 / Inf = 0 is simply wrong.

But +Inf / 2 is a completely different thing. A "very large (real) number"
> / 2 does equal a "very large (real) number" or does it?
>
What is the point? 1.63312393531954E+16 is also a very big number. The Inf
comes up when the result is too big for the variable or division by zero
(but error is raised on the latter).
It is not suitable for any calculations. It does *not* present a result of
valid computation.



> Is the
>
>  f(x)=Limit(x=1 -> +Inf) x / y
>
> ,where y is any fixed real number, computable?
>
I guess you mean:
Limit x->Inf, when f(x) = x/y
Not sure what you mean, but this limit does have a well defined answer and
it's infinity. Limits are very different things. I don't get what you are
implying by this.


IMO it should return NaN ... but I guess it's because there is a real
> number returned by Rad(90) and therefore a real result to the Tan()
> function.
>
Yes, floating points cannot represent Pi/2 (or any irrational numbers)
accurately.
You can see similar issues when you print out csingle(0.0001).


Jussi
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"The Inf comes up when the result is too big for the variable or division
by zero ..."

Brain fart. Too big for the register or to the biggest register... not sure.


Jussi

On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 3:20 AM Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Ah, I was talking about arithmetic using the constants not arithmetic on
>> "actual infinities". In fact I am quite happy, mathematically, ...
>>
> Mathematically, infinity is not a number. And arithmetics on the constant
> doesn't make much sense either, moreover it is completely unnecessary.
> There are better ways than relying on it.
> When people say 1 / Inf = 0, they mean the limit x->Inf, 1/x. Not the
> actual calculation. 1 / Inf = 0 is simply wrong.
>
> But +Inf / 2 is a completely different thing. A "very large (real) number"
>> / 2 does equal a "very large (real) number" or does it?
>>
> What is the point? 1.63312393531954E+16 is also a very big number. The Inf
> comes up when the result is too big for the variable or division by zero
> (but error is raised on the latter).
> It is not suitable for any calculations. It does *not* present a result
> of valid computation.
>
>
>
>> Is the
>>
>>  f(x)=Limit(x=1 -> +Inf) x / y
>>
>> ,where y is any fixed real number, computable?
>>
> I guess you mean:
> Limit x->Inf, when f(x) = x/y
> Not sure what you mean, but this limit does have a well defined answer and
> it's infinity. Limits are very different things. I don't get what you are
> implying by this.
>
>
> IMO it should return NaN ... but I guess it's because there is a real
>> number returned by Rad(90) and therefore a real result to the Tan()
>> function.
>>
> Yes, floating points cannot represent Pi/2 (or any irrational numbers)
> accurately.
> You can see similar issues when you print out csingle(0.0001).
>
>
> Jussi
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 09:04:27 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2022 18:34:27 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] "Groups" of optional arguments
Message-ID: <1b1a0169-9529-66fa-18c7-3e46765162d9@gmail.com>

Maybe I'm overthinking this or maybe my brain is just not as sharp as it 
used to be.

Short explanation: I think I need to group optional arguments something 
along the lines of :

Sub XYZ ( arg1 As String, Optional ( arg2 As Boolean, arg3 As Integer = 
0), Optional ( arg4 As Date = Null, arg5 as Integer = -Inf ) )

The illogical thinking is that calls to the method

  * must have arg1 provided and
  * either
      o arg2 and possibly arg3
  * or
      o possibly arg4 and possibly arg5

The example is simpified, btw. ?

Is there a way to do this?


Long explanation: We have a hierarchical set of classes, where for 
example, Region contains a collection of Variety which contains a 
collection of Vintage. Also we have a set of little projects that let us 
edit the static data for each of these classes. I want to be able to 
invoke the editors from within each. So if I am running EditRegion I can 
invoke EditVariety via a button in the EditRegion form. Alternatively, 
for example, if I am running EditVintage I want a button to invoke 
EditVariety and therein is the situation where I (think that I) need 
this grouped optional arguments thing.

EditVariety.Run() "needs" to take two different sets of arguments 
depending on whether I am coming "down" from EditRegion or "up" from 
EditVintage. On the "down" pathway it needs to show a list of the 
varieties produced for that region i.e. in EditRegion I want to call it 
with

   Shell "editvariety " & subst("-r &1", thisregionid)
   i.e. the command is "editvariety -r Langhorne"

but on the way "up" I want to call it with

 ? Shell "editvariety " & subst("-r &1? -v &2? -y? &2" , thisregionid, thisvarietyid, thisvarietyyear )
   i.e, the command is "editvariety -r Langhorne -v Shiraz -y 2018"

All straightforward so far, but...

I also want, for example, on the way up or down to get all the varietals 
for that region, so

 ? Shell "editvariety " & subst ( "-r &1 -y &2", thisregionid, thisvarietyyear )
   ie the command is "editvariety -r Langhorne -y 2018"

Believe it or not, that was simplified just to be able to explain it. 
The true situation is horribly more complex involving a lot more 
arguments and argument "sets". I am currently doing this with a complete 
mash of nested and un-nested if statements in each of the "calling" 
editors. Result, spaghetti code and maintenance hell. Probably bad 
design but its what we've got.

I have tried changing the editvariety's Run() to? a variadic (is that 
the word?) method i.e. Run ( region as string, ... ) but that just 
replicated all the spaghetti in the calling programs into the 
editvariety program. Gaargh!

I have also tried using -Inf as the default values for some of the 
optional arguments ???? but they tend to slip through into "somewhat 
complex" logical operations, some of which involve "arithmetic", and 
*that* has been well and truly squashed by those with more intelligence 
than I.

regards

bruce (currently located in the kingdom of Confusion in the Citadel of 
Toxic Options)

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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 09:19:45 2022
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (BB)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2022 18:49:45 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] "Groups" of optional arguments
In-Reply-To: <1b1a0169-9529-66fa-18c7-3e46765162d9@gmail.com>
References: <1b1a0169-9529-66fa-18c7-3e46765162d9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5711aec8-4ba5-a06d-8f5f-9f5eac40f60d@gmail.com>

p.s. I do note that this 
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/70585861/how-to-require-a-group-of-optional-parameters-when-an-argument-is-provided-for-j 
<https://stackoverflow.com/questions/70585861/how-to-require-a-group-of-optional-parameters-when-an-argument-is-provided-for-j> 
raises the age-old topic of overloading. ??


From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 17:15:28 2022
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2022 11:15:28 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] "Groups" of optional arguments
In-Reply-To: <1b1a0169-9529-66fa-18c7-3e46765162d9@gmail.com>
References: <1b1a0169-9529-66fa-18c7-3e46765162d9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d29aee54-d627-188b-3a44-cf18f4a80427@gmail.com>

On 11/30/22 03:04, BB wrote:
> Maybe I'm overthinking this or maybe my brain is just not as sharp as it used to be.
> 
> Short explanation: I think I need to group optional arguments something along the lines of :
> 
> Sub XYZ ( arg1 As String, Optional ( arg2 As Boolean, arg3 As Integer = 0), Optional ( arg4 As Date = Null, arg5 as Integer = 
> -Inf ) )
> 
> The illogical thinking is that calls to the method
> 
>   * must have arg1 provided and
>   * either
>       o arg2 and possibly arg3
>   * or
>       o possibly arg4 and possibly arg5
> 
> The example is simpified, btw. ?
> 
> Is there a way to do this?
> 
> 

This may be a gross misunderstanding of the problem. But, couldn't you pass in the callee's class as a required parameter in 
addition to the reqion, and pass all the optionals as variadic or, simply, positional optionals?

Ie.: given Sub XYZ ( arg1 As String, Optional ( arg2 As Boolean, arg3 As Integer = 0), Optional ( arg4 As Date = Null, arg5 as 
Integer = -Inf ) )

data = XYZ(regionid, Object.Type(Me), ...) , or
data = XYZ(regionid, Object.Type(Me), Optional arg3 as blah, Optional arg4 as blahblah, etc.)


and handle the myriad optional arguments based on who's calling? Or would that lead to more spaghetti code?


-- 
Lee


From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 20:09:53 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2022 19:09:53 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] DBus Explorer seems different?
Message-ID: <CABuQYCAVNrvfFS8_twib9X=Ff7eHRwi-xe4NK9xF5y3LE5bE6g@mail.gmail.com>

Oddly one of my programs that uses a previous version of Fabiens gb.disks
seems to not be able to mount any more. and i didn't change anything.

So i looked at the new built in DBus explorer to find UDisk2 filesystem
Mount now has 2 args Label and Options according to that.

Yet in the original DBus explorer from the farm it only shows one arg (see
attached pic, orig DBus explorer is behind the gambas window, both showing
the same item but different args)

V weird
BruceS
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 20:13:09 2022
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2022 19:13:09 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] DBus Explorer seems different?
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCAVNrvfFS8_twib9X=Ff7eHRwi-xe4NK9xF5y3LE5bE6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABuQYCAVNrvfFS8_twib9X=Ff7eHRwi-xe4NK9xF5y3LE5bE6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCAqa8ZBs_aLRbiESztH_KLUHBXji5Td0_Qto3Shrh23XQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ahh, Seems built in DBus explorer is doing something fairly wrong looking
again at that snapshot as it's listing "options as collection" quite a,
unusual amount.


On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 at 19:09, Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Oddly one of my programs that uses a previous version of Fabiens gb.disks
> seems to not be able to mount any more. and i didn't change anything.
>
> So i looked at the new built in DBus explorer to find UDisk2 filesystem
> Mount now has 2 args Label and Options according to that.
>
> Yet in the original DBus explorer from the farm it only shows one arg (see
> attached pic, orig DBus explorer is behind the gambas window, both showing
> the same item but different args)
>
> V weird
> BruceS
>
>
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From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Wed Nov 30 20:17:57 2022
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2022 11:17:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Gambas-user] "Groups" of optional arguments
In-Reply-To: <d29aee54-d627-188b-3a44-cf18f4a80427@gmail.com>
References: <1b1a0169-9529-66fa-18c7-3e46765162d9@gmail.com>
 <d29aee54-d627-188b-3a44-cf18f4a80427@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <559838677.11280.1669835877849.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>


----- On Nov 30, 2022, at 8:15 AM, T Lee Davidson t.lee.davidson at gmail.com wrote:

> On 11/30/22 03:04, BB wrote:
>> Maybe I'm overthinking this or maybe my brain is just not as sharp as it used to
>> be.
>> 
>> Short explanation: I think I need to group optional arguments something along
>> the lines of :
>> 
>> Sub XYZ ( arg1 As String, Optional ( arg2 As Boolean, arg3 As Integer = 0),
>> Optional ( arg4 As Date = Null, arg5 as Integer =
>> -Inf ) )
>> 
>> The illogical thinking is that calls to the method
>> 
>>   * must have arg1 provided and
>>   * either
>>       o arg2 and possibly arg3
>>   * or
>>       o possibly arg4 and possibly arg5
>> 
>> The example is simpified, btw. ?
>> 
>> Is there a way to do this?
>> 
>> 
> 
> This may be a gross misunderstanding of the problem. But, couldn't you pass in
> the callee's class as a required parameter in
> addition to the reqion, and pass all the optionals as variadic or, simply,
> positional optionals?
> 
> Ie.: given Sub XYZ ( arg1 As String, Optional ( arg2 As Boolean, arg3 As Integer
> = 0), Optional ( arg4 As Date = Null, arg5 as
> Integer = -Inf ) )
> 
> data = XYZ(regionid, Object.Type(Me), ...) , or
> data = XYZ(regionid, Object.Type(Me), Optional arg3 as blah, Optional arg4 as
> blahblah, etc.)
> 
> 
> and handle the myriad optional arguments based on who's calling? Or would that
> lead to more spaghetti code?
> 
> 
> --
> Lee
> 
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

How about from your example the following script example of parsing parameters:

#!/usr/bin/env gbs3
' Gambas Script File Created 11/30/2022 17:09:34.817

class xyz

Static Public Sub _call(regionid As String, ...)

    On param.count Goto sublabel1, sublabelerr, sublabel2, sublabelerr, sublabel4 ' 1 parm, 2 parms, 3 params 4 params

    Dim a As Integer
    Dim b As String
    Dim offset As Integer = 0
    Dim OutputLine As String = ""

SubLabel1:
    GoSub sublabel11
    Print "editVariety" & Outputline

sublabel11:  ' one parameter
    OutputLine = " -r " & regionID
    'do stuff here
    Return

Sublabel2:  ' three parameters
    GoSub SubLabel11

    If Not (TypeOf(param[0]) = gb.boolean) Then
        GoSub SubLabel22
    Else
        GoSub Sublabel21
    Endif
    Print "editVariety " & outputLine
    Return

Sublabel21: ' First parm was boolean
    ' Print "optional Parm set with boolean as first and ";; param.count;; "params Values =";; param[0];; ",";; param[1];;
    OutputLine &= " -v " & Str(param[0]) & " -Y " & Str(Param[1])
    ' do stuff here
    Return

SubLabel22: ' First param was not boolean
    'If Param.count = 2 Then Print "optional Parm set not boolean as first and ";; param.count;; "params Values =";; Else Print ",";;
    'Print param[0 + offset];; ",";; param[1 + offset]
    outputline &= " -u " & Str(Param[0 + offset]) & " -q " & Str(Param[1 + offset])
    ' do stuff here
    Return

SublabelErr: ' Invalid parm count
    Print
    error.raise("Error : Not enough parameters (" & Str(Param.count) & ")")

Sublabel4:
    'Print "Recieved 4 parameters"
    offset = 2
    GoSub sublabel11
    GoSub sublabel21
    GoSub sublabel22
    Print "editVariety" & OutPutline

End
end class


    xyz("Sacramento")
    Try xyz("Boston", True)
    If Error Then Print "Error", "Boston";; Error.text
    xyz("Boston", True, "1987")
    Try xyz("Washinton", "Badcnt")
    If Error Then Print "Error", "Washinton";; Error.text
    xyz("Washinton", "Arg3", "Arg4")
    Try xyz("Daton", True, "2007", "arg3")
    If Error Then Print "Error", "Daton";; Error.text
    xyz("Daton", True, "2008", "arg3", "arg4")



QUIT 0
catch
Print error.text&"\n" & error.where



From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Wed Nov 30 20:32:35 2022
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2022 11:32:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Gambas-user] "Groups" of optional arguments
In-Reply-To: <559838677.11280.1669835877849.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
References: <1b1a0169-9529-66fa-18c7-3e46765162d9@gmail.com>
 <d29aee54-d627-188b-3a44-cf18f4a80427@gmail.com>
 <559838677.11280.1669835877849.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
Message-ID: <302959114.11289.1669836755097.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>





----- On Nov 30, 2022, at 11:17 AM, Brian G brian at westwoodsvcs.com wrote:

> ----- On Nov 30, 2022, at 8:15 AM, T Lee Davidson t.lee.davidson at gmail.com
> wrote:
> 
>> On 11/30/22 03:04, BB wrote:
>>> Maybe I'm overthinking this or maybe my brain is just not as sharp as it used to
>>> be.
>>> 
>>> Short explanation: I think I need to group optional arguments something along
>>> the lines of :
>>> 
>>> Sub XYZ ( arg1 As String, Optional ( arg2 As Boolean, arg3 As Integer = 0),
>>> Optional ( arg4 As Date = Null, arg5 as Integer =
>>> -Inf ) )
>>> 
>>> The illogical thinking is that calls to the method
>>> 
>>>   * must have arg1 provided and
>>>   * either
>>>       o arg2 and possibly arg3
>>>   * or
>>>       o possibly arg4 and possibly arg5
>>> 
>>> The example is simpified, btw. ?
>>> 
>>> Is there a way to do this?
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> This may be a gross misunderstanding of the problem. But, couldn't you pass in
>> the callee's class as a required parameter in
>> addition to the reqion, and pass all the optionals as variadic or, simply,
>> positional optionals?
>> 
>> Ie.: given Sub XYZ ( arg1 As String, Optional ( arg2 As Boolean, arg3 As Integer
>> = 0), Optional ( arg4 As Date = Null, arg5 as
>> Integer = -Inf ) )
>> 
>> data = XYZ(regionid, Object.Type(Me), ...) , or
>> data = XYZ(regionid, Object.Type(Me), Optional arg3 as blah, Optional arg4 as
>> blahblah, etc.)
>> 
>> 
>> and handle the myriad optional arguments based on who's calling? Or would that
>> lead to more spaghetti code?
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Lee
>> 
>> 
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> 
> How about from your example the following script example of parsing parameters:
> 
> #!/usr/bin/env gbs3
> ' Gambas Script File Created 11/30/2022 17:09:34.817
> 
> class xyz
> 
> Static Public Sub _call(regionid As String, ...)
> 
>    On param.count Goto sublabel1, sublabelerr, sublabel2, sublabelerr, sublabel4 '
>    1 parm, 2 parms, 3 params 4 params
> 
>    Dim a As Integer
>    Dim b As String
>    Dim offset As Integer = 0
>    Dim OutputLine As String = ""
> 
> SubLabel1:
>    GoSub sublabel11
>    Print "editVariety" & Outputline
> 
> sublabel11:  ' one parameter
>    OutputLine = " -r " & regionID
>    'do stuff here
>    Return
> 
> Sublabel2:  ' three parameters
>    GoSub SubLabel11
> 
>    If Not (TypeOf(param[0]) = gb.boolean) Then
>        GoSub SubLabel22
>    Else
>        GoSub Sublabel21
>    Endif
>    Print "editVariety " & outputLine
>    Return
> 
> Sublabel21: ' First parm was boolean
>    ' Print "optional Parm set with boolean as first and ";; param.count;; "params
>    Values =";; param[0];; ",";; param[1];;
>    OutputLine &= " -v " & Str(param[0]) & " -Y " & Str(Param[1])
>    ' do stuff here
>    Return
> 
> SubLabel22: ' First param was not boolean
>    'If Param.count = 2 Then Print "optional Parm set not boolean as first and ";;
>    param.count;; "params Values =";; Else Print ",";;
>    'Print param[0 + offset];; ",";; param[1 + offset]
>    outputline &= " -u " & Str(Param[0 + offset]) & " -q " & Str(Param[1 + offset])
>    ' do stuff here
>    Return
> 
> SublabelErr: ' Invalid parm count
>    Print
>    error.raise("Error : Not enough parameters (" & Str(Param.count) & ")")
> 
> Sublabel4:
>    'Print "Recieved 4 parameters"
>    offset = 2
>    GoSub sublabel11
>    GoSub sublabel21
>    GoSub sublabel22
>    Print "editVariety" & OutPutline
> 
> End
> end class
> 
> 
>    xyz("Sacramento")
>    Try xyz("Boston", True)
>    If Error Then Print "Error", "Boston";; Error.text
>    xyz("Boston", True, "1987")
>    Try xyz("Washinton", "Badcnt")
>    If Error Then Print "Error", "Washinton";; Error.text
>    xyz("Washinton", "Arg3", "Arg4")
>    Try xyz("Daton", True, "2007", "arg3")
>    If Error Then Print "Error", "Daton";; Error.text
>    xyz("Daton", True, "2008", "arg3", "arg4")
> 
> 
> 
> QUIT 0
> catch
> Print error.text&"\n" & error.where
> 
> 
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
Sorry forgot to mention 

Basically this line should be looking for the parameters pattern

If Not (TypeOf(param[0]) = gb.boolean) Then

Testing for possible identifiable patterns for number of parameters passed

"Failure is the key to success; 
 each mistake teaches us something"  .. Morihei Ueshiba
Brian G

From benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org  Wed Nov 30 21:53:46 2022
From: benoit.minisini at gambas-basic.org (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2022 21:53:46 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] DBus Explorer seems different?
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCAqa8ZBs_aLRbiESztH_KLUHBXji5Td0_Qto3Shrh23XQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABuQYCAVNrvfFS8_twib9X=Ff7eHRwi-xe4NK9xF5y3LE5bE6g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABuQYCAqa8ZBs_aLRbiESztH_KLUHBXji5Td0_Qto3Shrh23XQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3c226ac8-2b30-84c5-5f1c-5b1dca7b09db@gambas-basic.org>

Le 30/11/2022 ? 20:13, Bruce Steers a ?crit?:
> Ahh, Seems built in DBus explorer is doing something fairly wrong 
> looking again at that snapshot as it's listing "options as collection" 
> quite a, unusual amount.
> 
> 
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 at 19:09, Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:bsteers4 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Oddly one of my programs that uses a previous version of Fabiens
>     gb.disks seems to not be able to mount any more. and i didn't change
>     anything.
> 
>     So i looked at the new built in DBus explorer to find UDisk2
>     filesystem Mount now has 2 args Label and Options according to that.
> 
>     Yet in the original DBus explorer from the farm it only shows one
>     arg (see attached pic, orig DBus explorer is behind the gambas
>     window, both showing the same item but different args)
> 
>     V weird
>     BruceS
> 
> 
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

It's fixed in master.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini.