From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  1 10:42:55 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 09:42:55 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Unable to compile gambas3 with Master "bfddf7d4"
In-Reply-To: <MnLa0Mt--3-2@tutanota.com>
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 at 13:45, vuott--- via User <user at lists.gambas-basic.org>
wrote:

> I always delete any previous elements before updating my Gambas.
>


Ahh i guess that was the difference.
my compilation must have worked because i didn't delete the old stuff so it
picked up old files and not the latest ones in their new locations?

Benoit, do i have a residual old file somewhere now i need to remove after
the recent change?

Thank you :)

BruceS





> I also use Linux Mint.
> My System:
> Kernel: 5.11.0-38-generic x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: N/A Desktop: Cinnamon
> 5.0.6 wm: muffin dm: LightDM Distro: Linux Mint 20.2 Uma base: Ubuntu 20.04
> focal
>
>
>
>
>
> 31 ott 2021, 11:14 da bsteers4 at gmail.com:
>
> It works okay here Vuott :(
>
> maybe try refreshing source with 'make clean'
> or the old "delete /usr/lib/gambas3 folder (i've not had to do that for a
> long long time)
>
> looks like your gb.form did not compile so anything using gb.form is
> failing.
>
> i'd try with source running './configure -C -q'  after 'reconf-all'
>
> using -q with ./configure will only give error messages making it easier
> to spot the errors in the output.
>
> Best of luck.
> BruceS
>
>
> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 at 01:59, vuott--- via User <
> user at lists.gambas-basic.org> wrote:
>
> No, errors again !
>
> Compiling 'gb.form.htmlview' component...
> FTest.form:3: error: Unknown identifier: HBox
> HtmlView.class:18:26: error: Unknown identifier: Font
>
> Installing the development environment...
> Compiling gambas3...
> FCompletion.form:6: error: Unknown identifier: HtmlView
>
> ||
> || Unable to compile gambas3
> ||
>
>
>
>
>
> 31 ott 2021, 02:11 da g4mba5 at gmail.com:
>
> Le 31/10/2021 ? 01:41, vuott--- via User a ?crit :
>
> Hello,
> with  Master "bfddf7d4" I obtain these errors:
>
> Compiling 'gb.form.htmlview' component...
> gbc3: error: Component not found: gb.form
>
> Compiling 'gb.form.htmlview' component...
> gbc3: error: Component not found: gb.form
> Installing 'gb.form.htmlview' control icons if needed...
> Creating the information files for 'gb.form.htmlview' component...
>
> Installing the development environment...
> Compiling gambas3...
> FCompletion.form:6: error: Unknown identifier: HtmlView
>
> ||
> || Unable to compile gambas3
> ||
>
> ........................
>
> Regards
> vuott
>
>
> It should be fixed in last commit.
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
>
>
> ----[http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
>
>
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  1 10:44:16 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 09:44:16 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Unable to compile gambas3 with Master "bfddf7d4"
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 <19c8a416-ec78-a12f-9f71-b298a0e9f03f@gmail.com>
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 at 20:06, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Le 31/10/2021 ? 18:20, Gianluigi Gradaschi a ?crit :
> > Il 31/10/21 18:00, Beno?t Minisini ha scritto:
> >> Le 31/10/2021 ? 16:35, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
> >>>
> >>> I know what the issue is, but this is Lord's day, so I was not in
> >>> front on my computer. I put 'gb.form.htmlview' source code in the
> >>> wrong place. The component depends on no libraries, but the project
> >>> itself includes testing forms, and so require a GUI component and
> >>> none is compiled at the moment.
> >>>
> >>> I will put 'gb.form.htmlview' source directory at the root of the
> >>> source package, and everything should be ok.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Is it better with the last commit?
> >>
> >
> >
> > Soory, but no :-(
> >
>
> It should be ok now. At least it is on GitLab.
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>

Great stuff Ben,  you are a veritable saint :)

BruceS
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From rwe-sse at osnanet.de  Mon Nov  1 10:47:21 2021
From: rwe-sse at osnanet.de (Rolf-Werner Eilert)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 10:47:21 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Understanding how to use gb.poppler instead of gb.pdf
Message-ID: <05f2e6ba-565c-f8df-3ade-1ccbc459c776@osnanet.de>

In several projects I have used gb.pdf to show PDF files (mostly as a 
printing preview). With qt5 and newer Linux versions it might be wise to 
use the newer gb.poppler instead. At least the gb.pdf is deprecated.

In a first trial I simply replaced the library and expected to be lead 
by the help texts how to use gb.poppler. But as it turned out, the help 
was of no help.

For instance, a simple .Open(PathToFile) seems not possible anymore, but 
there is no indication at all on how to load and show a pdf.

Could someone explain to me how to achieve this? And maybe we should 
complete the help texts, especially with simple examples of how to 
handle PDF files in gb.poppler.

Regards
Rolf

From bagonergi at gmail.com  Mon Nov  1 12:13:26 2021
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi Gradaschi)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 12:13:26 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Understanding how to use gb.poppler instead of
 gb.pdf
In-Reply-To: <05f2e6ba-565c-f8df-3ade-1ccbc459c776@osnanet.de>
References: <05f2e6ba-565c-f8df-3ade-1ccbc459c776@osnanet.de>
Message-ID: <027ac849-6b83-09ce-3783-cbd6803cfe07@gmail.com>

Il 01/11/21 10:47, Rolf-Werner Eilert ha scritto:
> In several projects I have used gb.pdf to show PDF files (mostly as a 
> printing preview). With qt5 and newer Linux versions it might be wise to 
> use the newer gb.poppler instead. At least the gb.pdf is deprecated.
> 
> In a first trial I simply replaced the library and expected to be lead 
> by the help texts how to use gb.poppler. But as it turned out, the help 
> was of no help.
> 
> For instance, a simple .Open(PathToFile) seems not possible anymore, but 
> there is no indication at all on how to load and show a pdf.
> 
> Could someone explain to me how to achieve this? And maybe we should 
> complete the help texts, especially with simple examples of how to 
> handle PDF files in gb.poppler.

On Gambas Software Farm there is my example in Examples which is titled 
DocumentViewPdfZoomDialog

Regards
Gianluigi

From rwe-sse at osnanet.de  Mon Nov  1 12:26:29 2021
From: rwe-sse at osnanet.de (Rolf-Werner Eilert)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 12:26:29 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Understanding how to use gb.poppler instead of
 gb.pdf
In-Reply-To: <027ac849-6b83-09ce-3783-cbd6803cfe07@gmail.com>
References: <05f2e6ba-565c-f8df-3ade-1ccbc459c776@osnanet.de>
 <027ac849-6b83-09ce-3783-cbd6803cfe07@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15dc408f-27f9-995b-4ad0-fd033a2e7bea@osnanet.de>

Am 01.11.21 um 12:13 schrieb Gianluigi Gradaschi:
> Il 01/11/21 10:47, Rolf-Werner Eilert ha scritto:
>> In several projects I have used gb.pdf to show PDF files (mostly as a 
>> printing preview). With qt5 and newer Linux versions it might be wise 
>> to use the newer gb.poppler instead. At least the gb.pdf is deprecated.
>>
>> In a first trial I simply replaced the library and expected to be lead 
>> by the help texts how to use gb.poppler. But as it turned out, the 
>> help was of no help.
>>
>> For instance, a simple .Open(PathToFile) seems not possible anymore, 
>> but there is no indication at all on how to load and show a pdf.
>>
>> Could someone explain to me how to achieve this? And maybe we should 
>> complete the help texts, especially with simple examples of how to 
>> handle PDF files in gb.poppler.
> 
> On Gambas Software Farm there is my example in Examples which is titled 
> DocumentViewPdfZoomDialog
> 
> Regards
> Gianluigi
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> 

Oh thank you, I will try and see :)

Regards
Rolf


From bagonergi at gmail.com  Mon Nov  1 13:44:54 2021
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi Gradaschi)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 13:44:54 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Understanding how to use gb.poppler instead of
 gb.pdf
In-Reply-To: <15dc408f-27f9-995b-4ad0-fd033a2e7bea@osnanet.de>
References: <05f2e6ba-565c-f8df-3ade-1ccbc459c776@osnanet.de>
 <027ac849-6b83-09ce-3783-cbd6803cfe07@gmail.com>
 <15dc408f-27f9-995b-4ad0-fd033a2e7bea@osnanet.de>
Message-ID: <a2bb649a-c378-0149-95f6-cc51a6c3446a@gmail.com>

Il 01/11/21 12:26, Rolf-Werner Eilert ha scritto:
> Am 01.11.21 um 12:13 schrieb Gianluigi Gradaschi:
>> Il 01/11/21 10:47, Rolf-Werner Eilert ha scritto:
>>> In several projects I have used gb.pdf to show PDF files (mostly as a 
>>> printing preview). With qt5 and newer Linux versions it might be wise 
>>> to use the newer gb.poppler instead. At least the gb.pdf is deprecated.
>>>
>>> In a first trial I simply replaced the library and expected to be 
>>> lead by the help texts how to use gb.poppler. But as it turned out, 
>>> the help was of no help.
>>>
>>> For instance, a simple .Open(PathToFile) seems not possible anymore, 
>>> but there is no indication at all on how to load and show a pdf.
>>>
>>> Could someone explain to me how to achieve this? And maybe we should 
>>> complete the help texts, especially with simple examples of how to 
>>> handle PDF files in gb.poppler.
>>
>> On Gambas Software Farm there is my example in Examples which is 
>> titled DocumentViewPdfZoomDialog
>>
>> Regards
>> Gianluigi
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>
> 
> Oh thank you, I will try and see :)
> 
> Regards
> Rolf
> 
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

:-)
I forgot, you can also take a look here:
https://www.gambas-it.org/wiki/index.php?title=Guide_della_comunit%C3%A0#Gestione_dei_file_PDF

Regards
Gianluigi

From rwe-sse at osnanet.de  Mon Nov  1 16:38:05 2021
From: rwe-sse at osnanet.de (Rolf-Werner Eilert)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 16:38:05 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Understanding how to use gb.poppler instead of
 gb.pdf
In-Reply-To: <a2bb649a-c378-0149-95f6-cc51a6c3446a@gmail.com>
References: <05f2e6ba-565c-f8df-3ade-1ccbc459c776@osnanet.de>
 <027ac849-6b83-09ce-3783-cbd6803cfe07@gmail.com>
 <15dc408f-27f9-995b-4ad0-fd033a2e7bea@osnanet.de>
 <a2bb649a-c378-0149-95f6-cc51a6c3446a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <08d45f1f-8a85-f735-8494-9a13ef7a231d@osnanet.de>

Am 01.11.21 um 13:44 schrieb Gianluigi Gradaschi:
> Il 01/11/21 12:26, Rolf-Werner Eilert ha scritto:
>> Am 01.11.21 um 12:13 schrieb Gianluigi Gradaschi:
>>> Il 01/11/21 10:47, Rolf-Werner Eilert ha scritto:
>>>> In several projects I have used gb.pdf to show PDF files (mostly as 
>>>> a printing preview). With qt5 and newer Linux versions it might be 
>>>> wise to use the newer gb.poppler instead. At least the gb.pdf is 
>>>> deprecated.
>>>>
>>>> In a first trial I simply replaced the library and expected to be 
>>>> lead by the help texts how to use gb.poppler. But as it turned out, 
>>>> the help was of no help.
>>>>
>>>> For instance, a simple .Open(PathToFile) seems not possible anymore, 
>>>> but there is no indication at all on how to load and show a pdf.
>>>>
>>>> Could someone explain to me how to achieve this? And maybe we should 
>>>> complete the help texts, especially with simple examples of how to 
>>>> handle PDF files in gb.poppler.
>>>
>>> On Gambas Software Farm there is my example in Examples which is 
>>> titled DocumentViewPdfZoomDialog
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Gianluigi
>>>
>>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>>
>>
>> Oh thank you, I will try and see :)
>>
>> Regards
>> Rolf
>>
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> 
> :-)
> I forgot, you can also take a look here:
> https://www.gambas-it.org/wiki/index.php?title=Guide_della_comunit%C3%A0#Gestione_dei_file_PDF 
> 
> 
> Regards
> Gianluigi
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> 

Oh, the examples are great, thank you Gianluigi!

Rolf

From bagonergi at gmail.com  Mon Nov  1 18:46:10 2021
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi Gradaschi)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 18:46:10 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Understanding how to use gb.poppler instead of
 gb.pdf
In-Reply-To: <08d45f1f-8a85-f735-8494-9a13ef7a231d@osnanet.de>
References: <05f2e6ba-565c-f8df-3ade-1ccbc459c776@osnanet.de>
 <027ac849-6b83-09ce-3783-cbd6803cfe07@gmail.com>
 <15dc408f-27f9-995b-4ad0-fd033a2e7bea@osnanet.de>
 <a2bb649a-c378-0149-95f6-cc51a6c3446a@gmail.com>
 <08d45f1f-8a85-f735-8494-9a13ef7a231d@osnanet.de>
Message-ID: <a317510e-1b67-97fe-fb15-55d901871b60@gmail.com>

Il 01/11/21 16:38, Rolf-Werner Eilert ha scritto:
> Oh, the examples are great, thank you Gianluigi!
> 
> Rolf

Not knowing what to do ... :-)

You can also consider gb.Report2 by Fabien Bodard
There are 2 of my examples on the Farm
There is an explanation on the Italian wiki:
https://www.gambas-it.org/wiki/index.php?title=Creare_report_con_il_componente_gb.report2
There are pages in the Book of Hans Lehmann:
https://gambas-buch.de/doku.php?id=k22:k22.11:start

Regards
Gianluigi

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  1 18:50:07 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 18:50:07 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Understanding how to use gb.poppler instead of
 gb.pdf
In-Reply-To: <05f2e6ba-565c-f8df-3ade-1ccbc459c776@osnanet.de>
References: <05f2e6ba-565c-f8df-3ade-1ccbc459c776@osnanet.de>
Message-ID: <baa93141-1f7c-6291-08d9-71aad8a3bc3a@gmail.com>

Le 01/11/2021 ? 10:47, Rolf-Werner Eilert a ?crit?:
> In several projects I have used gb.pdf to show PDF files (mostly as a 
> printing preview). With qt5 and newer Linux versions it might be wise to 
> use the newer gb.poppler instead. At least the gb.pdf is deprecated.
> 
> In a first trial I simply replaced the library and expected to be lead 
> by the help texts how to use gb.poppler. But as it turned out, the help 
> was of no help.
> 
> For instance, a simple .Open(PathToFile) seems not possible anymore, but 
> there is no indication at all on how to load and show a pdf.
> 
> Could someone explain to me how to achieve this? And maybe we should 
> complete the help texts, especially with simple examples of how to 
> handle PDF files in gb.poppler.
> 
> Regards
> Rolf
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> .

The Open() method has been removed because it is now useless. You pass 
the path of the Pdf file directly to the constructor.

If some of the 'gb.pdf' methods or properties are missing in 
'gb.poppler', tell me, I will see what I can do.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From yodi at gmx.net  Tue Nov  2 05:34:34 2021
From: yodi at gmx.net (dirk)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 05:34:34 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] IDE defekt
Message-ID: <33e8409e-000e-da45-4770-99d8d44a11b3@gmx.net>

Hi there,

I translate with google, I hope it works :)

Problem:
the ide of Gambas zickt around see video from

http://paste.c-net.org/GuideLinked

The editor flashes in the rhythm of the cursor


[System]
Gambas=3.16.3
OperatingSystem=Linux
Kernel=5.4.0-89-generic
Architecture=x86_64
Distribution=Ubuntu 18.04.6 LTS
Desktop=MATE
Font=Sans,9
Scale=7
Theme=bluementa
Language=de_DE.UTF-8
Memory=3823M

[Libraries]
Cairo=libcairo.so.2.11510.0
Curl=libcurl.so.4.5.0
DBus=libdbus-1.so.3.19.4
GDK2=libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.32
GDK3=libgdk-3.so.0.2200.30
GStreamer=libgstreamer-1.0.so.0.1405.0
GTK+2=libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.32
GTK+3=libgtk-3.so.0.2200.30
OpenGL=libGL.so.1.0.0
Poppler=libpoppler.so.73.0.0
QT4=libQtCore.so.4.8.7
QT5=libQt5Core.so.5.9.5
SDL=libSDL-1.2.so.0.11.4
SQLite=libsqlite3.so.0.8.6

[Environment]
CLUTTER_IM_MODULE=xim
COMPIZ_CONFIG_PROFILE=mate
DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:path=/run/user/1000/bus
DEFAULTS_PATH=/usr/share/gconf/mate.default.path
DESKTOP_SESSION=mate
DISPLAY=:0
GB_GUI=gb.gtk3
GIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE=<home>/Schreibtisch/gambas3.desktop
GIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE_PID=28009
GPG_AGENT_INFO=/run/user/1000/gnupg/S.gpg-agent:0:1
GTK_IM_MODULE=xim
GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge:canberra-gtk-module
GTK_OVERLAY_SCROLLING=0
HOME=<home>
IM_CONFIG_PHASE=2
INSIDE_CAJA_PYTHON=
LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
LC_ALL=de_DE.UTF-8
LOGNAME=<user>
MANDATORY_PATH=/usr/share/gconf/mate.mandatory.path
MATE_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID=this-is-deprecated
PAM_KWALLET5_LOGIN=/run/user/1000/kwallet5.socket
PAM_KWALLET_LOGIN=/run/user/1000/kwallet.socket
PATH=<home>/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin
PWD=<home>
QT4_IM_MODULE=xim
QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1
QT_AUTO_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTOR=0
QT_IM_MODULE=ibus
QT_LOGGING_RULES=*.debug=false
QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2
QT_SCALE_FACTOR=1
SESSION_MANAGER=local/<hostname>:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/2384,unix/<hostname>:/tmp/.ICE-unix/2384
SHELL=/bin/bash
SHLVL=0
SSH_AGENT_PID=2646
SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/run/user/1000/keyring/ssh
TEXTDOMAIN=im-config
TEXTDOMAINDIR=/usr/share/locale/
TZ=:/etc/localtime
USER=<user>
XAUTHORITY=<home>/.Xauthority
XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/etc/xdg/xdg-mate:/etc/xdg:/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kf5-settings
XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=MATE
XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/mate:/usr/local/share:/usr/share:/var/lib/snapd/desktop
XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000
XDG_SEAT=seat0
XDG_SEAT_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Seat0
XDG_SESSION_CLASS=user
XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=MATE
XDG_SESSION_ID=3
XDG_SESSION_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Session1
XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11
XDG_VTNR=1
XMODIFIERS=@im=ibus

From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Tue Nov  2 06:52:05 2021
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 22:52:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Gambas-user] How to use ide built in picture editor
Message-ID: <1720861711.5586.1635832325046.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>

I have never used it before, it is almost embarrassing to ask, but I pasted several imaged together.... 

How do I get them to merge into the image I am adding them to??? 

Geezzzz 

"Failure is the key to success; 
each mistake teaches us something" .. Morihei Ueshiba 
Brian G 
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From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Tue Nov  2 08:58:15 2021
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 08:58:15 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] How to use ide built in picture editor
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Paste twice

In fact, first ctrl+V show your clipboard picture as a brush ... a new
ctrl + V to print it ... and then escape to hide the brush...

It's not a common way but it have some advantage when you need to repeat a
copy.

It look like a spreadsheet copy.

Le mar. 2 nov. 2021 ? 07:09, Brian G <brian at westwoodsvcs.com> a ?crit :

> I have never used it before, it is almost embarrassing to ask, but I
> pasted several imaged together....
>
> How do I get them to merge into the image I am adding them to???
>
> Geezzzz
>
> "Failure is the key to success;
>  each mistake teaches us something"  .. Morihei Ueshiba
> Brian G
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>


-- 
Fabien Bodard
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From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Wed Nov  3 02:09:35 2021
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2021 04:09:35 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] 
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Works, thank you
--
Thanks
Brian G Tuesday, 02 November 2021, 00:59AM -07:00 from Fabien Bodard  gambas.fr at gmail.com :

>Paste twice
>
>In fact, first ctrl+V show your clipboard picture as a brush ... a new ctrl?+ V to print it ... and then escape to hide the brush...?
>
>It's not a common way but it have some advantage when you need to repeat a copy.
>
>It look like a spreadsheet copy.
>Le?mar. 2 nov. 2021 ??07:09, Brian G < brian at westwoodsvcs.com> a ?crit?:
>>I have never used it before, it is almost embarrassing to ask, but I pasted several imaged together....
>>
>>How do I get them to merge into the image I am adding them to???
>>
>>Geezzzz
>>
>>"Failure is the key to success; 
>>?each mistake teaches us something" ?.. Morihei Ueshiba
>>Brian G
>>----[  http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
>
>-- 
>Fabien Bodard
>
>----[  http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Wed Nov  3 18:13:59 2021
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 10:13:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Gambas-user] IDE always sets package files time to 5:00am
Message-ID: <1903357387.6274.1635959639082.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>

When I build an installation package, it always sets the date correctly on files but every installed file has a time of 5:00am 

Is this a feature or a bug, I don't really understand this bit of magic. 
But it bit me when I sent a release(fix) on the same day to fix a bug. 

And the software checked the date/time on some installed file. 

Does anyone know about how the ide packages ubuntu files? 

"Failure is the key to success; 
each mistake teaches us something" .. Morihei Ueshiba 
Brian G 
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From tercoide at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  3 19:57:46 2021
From: tercoide at hotmail.com (martin p cristia)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 15:57:46 -0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] OpenGL GUI issue
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If I run with "Current desktop" I get:

gb.gui: warning: 'gb.gtk3.opengl' component not found, using 'gb.gtk' 
instead

but it works.

Run with QT5:

at form.Show() breaks with "Failed to init Glew: unknown error"

Run with GTK2+ gives no error.

[System]
Gambas=3.16.3 <--From teams PPA
OperatingSystem=Linux
Kernel=5.13.0-20-generic
Architecture=x86_64
Distribution=Ubuntu 21.10
Desktop=UBUNTU:GNOME
Font=Ubuntu,11
Scale=8
Theme=yaru
Language=es_AR.UTF-8
Memory=7858M

[Libraries]
Cairo=libcairo.so.2.11600.0
Curl=libcurl.so.4.7.0
DBus=libdbus-1.so.3.19.13
GDK2=libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.33
GDK3=libgdk-3.so.0.2404.26
GStreamer=libgstreamer-1.0.so.0.1805.0
GTK+2=libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.33
GTK+3=libgtk-3.so.0.2404.26
OpenGL=libGL.so.1.7.0
Poppler=libpoppler.so.107.0.0
Poppler=libpoppler.so.111.0.0
Poppler=libpoppler.so.73.0.0
QT5=libQt5Core.so.5.15.2
SDL=libSDL-1.2.so.0.11.4
SQLite=libsqlite3.so.0.8.6

[Environment]
DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:path=/run/user/1000/bus
DEFAULTS_PATH=/usr/share/gconf/ubuntu.default.path
DESKTOP_SESSION=ubuntu
DISPLAY=:1
EDITOR=gedit
GB_GUI=gb.gtk3
GDMSESSION=ubuntu
GIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE=/usr/share/applications/gambas3.desktop
GIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE_PID=23294
GJS_DEBUG_OUTPUT=stderr
GJS_DEBUG_TOPICS=JS ERROR;JS LOG
GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID=this-is-deprecated
GNOME_SHELL_SESSION_MODE=ubuntu
GPG_AGENT_INFO=/run/user/1000/gnupg/S.gpg-agent:0:1
GPG_TTY=no es un `tty'
GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge
HOME=<home>
IM_CONFIG_PHASE=1
INVOCATION_ID=2194874979284ab996dc91e953f3f575
JOURNAL_STREAM=8:36731
LANG=es_AR.UTF-8
LANGUAGE=es_AR.UTF-8
LC_ADDRESS=en_US.UTF-8
LC_ALL=es_AR.UTF-8
LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_US.UTF-8
LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.UTF-8
LC_MONETARY=en_US.UTF-8
LC_NAME=en_US.UTF-8
LC_NUMERIC=en_US.UTF-8
LC_PAPER=en_US.UTF-8
LC_TELEPHONE=en_US.UTF-8
LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8
LOGNAME=<user>
MANAGERPID=1946
MANDATORY_PATH=/usr/share/gconf/ubuntu.mandatory.path
PAPERSIZE=letter
PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin:/snap/bin
PWD=<home>
QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1
QT_IM_MODULE=ibus
QT_LOGGING_RULES=*.debug=false
QT_QPA_PLATFORM=xcb
SESSION_MANAGER=local/<hostname>:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/2103,unix/<hostname>:/tmp/.ICE-unix/2103
SHELL=/bin/bash
SHLVL=0
SSH_AGENT_LAUNCHER=gnome-keyring
SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/run/user/1000/keyring/ssh
SYSTEMD_EXEC_PID=2122
TZ=:/etc/localtime
USER=<user>
USERNAME=<user>
WINDOWPATH=2
XAUTHORITY=/run/user/1000/gdm/Xauthority
XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntu:/etc/xdg
XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=ubuntu:GNOME
XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/ubuntu:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/:/var/lib/snapd/desktop
XDG_MENU_PREFIX=gnome-
XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000
XDG_SESSION_CLASS=user
XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=ubuntu
XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11
XMODIFIERS=@im=ibus
_=/usr/bin/dbus-update-activation-environment

-- 
Saludos

Ing. Martin P Cristia


From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  3 23:59:40 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 23:59:40 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] OpenGL GUI issue
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR12MB3946256E7B743CC3D2E5D996C88C9@DM6PR12MB3946.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <mailman.1.1635937921.10010.user@lists.gambas-basic.org>
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Le 03/11/2021 ? 19:57, martin p cristia a ?crit?:
> If I run with "Current desktop" I get:
> 
> gb.gui: warning: 'gb.gtk3.opengl' component not found, using 'gb.gtk' 
> instead
> 
> but it works.
> 
> Run with QT5:
> 
> at form.Show() breaks with "Failed to init Glew: unknown error"
> 
> Run with GTK2+ gives no error.
> 

GTK+3 got its OpenGL component in the development version only. Can you 
try it?

If you can, tell me if you have the same problem with QT5. Or, better, 
send me a project that reproduces the bug.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From admin at allunix.ru  Fri Nov  5 15:46:32 2021
From: admin at allunix.ru (Admin)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 21:46:32 +0700
Subject: [Gambas-user] Joystick
Message-ID: <440a04ad-50b9-8fd8-51e9-32ea4104480d@allunix.ru>

Greetings!

Is there still a way to read joystick events in Gambas?
As I understand, it was done via gb.sdl before it was replaced with 
gb.sdl2, wich does not have joystick support.

Dmitry.


From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  5 17:05:29 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 17:05:29 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Joystick
In-Reply-To: <440a04ad-50b9-8fd8-51e9-32ea4104480d@allunix.ru>
References: <440a04ad-50b9-8fd8-51e9-32ea4104480d@allunix.ru>
Message-ID: <fcd1dcfe-39c9-52bf-4427-01373ed211fb@gmail.com>

Le 05/11/2021 ? 15:46, Admin a ?crit?:
> Greetings!
> 
> Is there still a way to read joystick events in Gambas?
> As I understand, it was done via gb.sdl before it was replaced with 
> gb.sdl2, wich does not have joystick support.
> 
> Dmitry.
> 
> 

This has not been implemented in 'gb.sdl2'. Anyway, I don't understand 
why reading a specific input device should be specific to a library, 
even if joysticks are mainly used in games.

If anyone has more information about that...

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  5 17:10:07 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 17:10:07 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] New internal highlighting design
Message-ID: <c1d37c8a-2b36-8865-91aa-d29ee71ca892@gmail.com>

Hi,

In the last commit, I have redesigned how highlighting works, so that 
it's possible to have more highlighting styles, that can be shared by 
the highlighters, or specific to some.

And so that the code is better too. A theme is now defined by a 
TextHighlighterTheme, whose styles are accessed by names.

You should never see the internal integer constants, except if you 
implement a new highlighter directly in the 'gb.eval.highlight' component.

Tell me if you have any problem with that.

The current pre-defined IDE themes were left mostly untouched, and most 
of the new styles have their default values whatever the theme.

By the way, if you have defined your specific highlighting colors, and 
if you think it could be a new editor theme, don't hesitate to send it me.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From admin at allunix.ru  Fri Nov  5 17:23:39 2021
From: admin at allunix.ru (Admin)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 23:23:39 +0700
Subject: [Gambas-user] Joystick
In-Reply-To: <fcd1dcfe-39c9-52bf-4427-01373ed211fb@gmail.com>
References: <440a04ad-50b9-8fd8-51e9-32ea4104480d@allunix.ru>
 <fcd1dcfe-39c9-52bf-4427-01373ed211fb@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1add80be-2b7a-e18f-c711-31018df423bc@allunix.ru>

05.11.2021 23:05, Beno?t Minisini ?????:
> Le 05/11/2021 ? 15:46, Admin a ?crit?:
>> Greetings!
>>
>> Is there still a way to read joystick events in Gambas?
>> As I understand, it was done via gb.sdl before it was replaced with 
>> gb.sdl2, wich does not have joystick support.
>>
>> Dmitry.
>>
>>
>
> This has not been implemented in 'gb.sdl2'. Anyway, I don't understand 
> why reading a specific input device should be specific to a library, 
> even if joysticks are mainly used in games.
>
> If anyone has more information about that...
>
Totally agree. I don't need a whole SDL2 just to implement input. I 
wrote an experimental code just now to try parsing joystick myself:

------------------------------------
Public Sub Main()

 ? Shell "cat /dev/input/js0" For Read As "Joystick"

End
-----
Public Sub Joystick_Read()
Dim joyEvent As String
Dim size As Integer
Dim events As Byte[]

size = Lof(Last)
joyEvent = Read #Last, size

events = Byte[].FromString(joyEvent)

Print events[0], events[1], events[2], events[3], events[4], events[5], 
events[6], events[7]

End
------------------------------------

and it looks like it's pretty readable. I don't know what first four 
bytes mean, but last four are "pressed/released" or analog value of 
axis, analog value of second axis, number of analog stick used (buttons 
are always 1) and, finally, button number. That's totally enough. It 
would be nice to have a simple gb.joystick class that just works like 
keypress for joysticks, but this works too.

Dmitry.


From tobs at taboege.de  Fri Nov  5 17:31:30 2021
From: tobs at taboege.de (Tobias Boege)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 17:31:30 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Joystick
In-Reply-To: <1add80be-2b7a-e18f-c711-31018df423bc@allunix.ru>
References: <440a04ad-50b9-8fd8-51e9-32ea4104480d@allunix.ru>
 <fcd1dcfe-39c9-52bf-4427-01373ed211fb@gmail.com>
 <1add80be-2b7a-e18f-c711-31018df423bc@allunix.ru>
Message-ID: <20211105163130.GB1883887@T580.localdomain>

On Fri, 05 Nov 2021, Admin wrote:
> 05.11.2021 23:05, Beno?t Minisini ?????:
> > Le 05/11/2021 ? 15:46, Admin a ?crit?:
> > > Greetings!
> > > 
> > > Is there still a way to read joystick events in Gambas?
> > > As I understand, it was done via gb.sdl before it was replaced with
> > > gb.sdl2, wich does not have joystick support.
> > > 
> > > Dmitry.
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > This has not been implemented in 'gb.sdl2'. Anyway, I don't understand
> > why reading a specific input device should be specific to a library,
> > even if joysticks are mainly used in games.
> > 
> > If anyone has more information about that...
> > 
> Totally agree. I don't need a whole SDL2 just to implement input. I wrote an
> experimental code just now to try parsing joystick myself:
> 
> ------------------------------------
> Public Sub Main()
> 
> ? Shell "cat /dev/input/js0" For Read As "Joystick"
> 
> End
> -----
> Public Sub Joystick_Read()
> Dim joyEvent As String
> Dim size As Integer
> Dim events As Byte[]
> 
> size = Lof(Last)
> joyEvent = Read #Last, size
> 
> events = Byte[].FromString(joyEvent)
> 
> Print events[0], events[1], events[2], events[3], events[4], events[5],
> events[6], events[7]
> 
> End
> ------------------------------------
> 
> and it looks like it's pretty readable. I don't know what first four bytes
> mean, but last four are "pressed/released" or analog value of axis, analog
> value of second axis, number of analog stick used (buttons are always 1)
> and, finally, button number. That's totally enough. It would be nice to have
> a simple gb.joystick class that just works like keypress for joysticks, but
> this works too.
> 

Curiously, it exists in a years old merge request that I never followed
through with because it was an afternoon project and the component would
be very small and Linux-specific. But the code still exists here:

  https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/-/merge_requests/76

but it is written in C for incorporation into the Gambas source tree.
Yours will be easier to just dump into a project.

Best,
Tobias

-- 
"There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  5 17:47:23 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 17:47:23 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Joystick
In-Reply-To: <20211105163130.GB1883887@T580.localdomain>
References: <440a04ad-50b9-8fd8-51e9-32ea4104480d@allunix.ru>
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 <1add80be-2b7a-e18f-c711-31018df423bc@allunix.ru>
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Le 05/11/2021 ? 17:31, Tobias Boege via User a ?crit?:
> On Fri, 05 Nov 2021, Admin wrote:
>> 05.11.2021 23:05, Beno?t Minisini ?????:
>>> Le 05/11/2021 ? 15:46, Admin a ?crit?:
>>>> Greetings!
>>>>
>>>> Is there still a way to read joystick events in Gambas?
>>>> As I understand, it was done via gb.sdl before it was replaced with
>>>> gb.sdl2, wich does not have joystick support.
>>>>
>>>> Dmitry.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> This has not been implemented in 'gb.sdl2'. Anyway, I don't understand
>>> why reading a specific input device should be specific to a library,
>>> even if joysticks are mainly used in games.
>>>
>>> If anyone has more information about that...
>>>
>> Totally agree. I don't need a whole SDL2 just to implement input. I wrote an
>> experimental code just now to try parsing joystick myself:
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>> Public Sub Main()
>>
>>  ? Shell "cat /dev/input/js0" For Read As "Joystick"
>>
>> End
>> -----
>> Public Sub Joystick_Read()
>> Dim joyEvent As String
>> Dim size As Integer
>> Dim events As Byte[]
>>
>> size = Lof(Last)
>> joyEvent = Read #Last, size
>>
>> events = Byte[].FromString(joyEvent)
>>
>> Print events[0], events[1], events[2], events[3], events[4], events[5],
>> events[6], events[7]
>>
>> End
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> and it looks like it's pretty readable. I don't know what first four bytes
>> mean, but last four are "pressed/released" or analog value of axis, analog
>> value of second axis, number of analog stick used (buttons are always 1)
>> and, finally, button number. That's totally enough. It would be nice to have
>> a simple gb.joystick class that just works like keypress for joysticks, but
>> this works too.
>>
> 
> Curiously, it exists in a years old merge request that I never followed
> through with because it was an afternoon project and the component would
> be very small and Linux-specific. But the code still exists here:
> 
>    https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/-/merge_requests/76
> 
> but it is written in C for incorporation into the Gambas source tree.
> Yours will be easier to just dump into a project.
> 
> Best,
> Tobias
> 

Oops, I completly forgot that merge request! Is it finished?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From tobs at taboege.de  Fri Nov  5 18:14:33 2021
From: tobs at taboege.de (Tobias Boege)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 18:14:33 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Joystick
In-Reply-To: <0949338f-b456-53da-e7a4-cc845b8ecaa4@gmail.com>
References: <440a04ad-50b9-8fd8-51e9-32ea4104480d@allunix.ru>
 <fcd1dcfe-39c9-52bf-4427-01373ed211fb@gmail.com>
 <1add80be-2b7a-e18f-c711-31018df423bc@allunix.ru>
 <20211105163130.GB1883887@T580.localdomain>
 <0949338f-b456-53da-e7a4-cc845b8ecaa4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20211105171433.GD1883887@T580.localdomain>

On Fri, 05 Nov 2021, Beno?t Minisini wrote:
> Le 05/11/2021 ? 17:31, Tobias Boege via User a ?crit?:
> > On Fri, 05 Nov 2021, Admin wrote:
> > > ------------------------------------
> > > Public Sub Main()
> > > 
> > >  ? Shell "cat /dev/input/js0" For Read As "Joystick"
> > > 
> > > End
> > > -----
> > > Public Sub Joystick_Read()
> > > Dim joyEvent As String
> > > Dim size As Integer
> > > Dim events As Byte[]
> > > 
> > > size = Lof(Last)
> > > joyEvent = Read #Last, size
> > > 
> > > events = Byte[].FromString(joyEvent)
> > > 
> > > Print events[0], events[1], events[2], events[3], events[4], events[5],
> > > events[6], events[7]
> > > 
> > > End
> > > ------------------------------------
> > > 
> > > and it looks like it's pretty readable. I don't know what first four bytes
> > > mean, but last four are "pressed/released" or analog value of axis, analog
> > > value of second axis, number of analog stick used (buttons are always 1)
> > > and, finally, button number. That's totally enough. It would be nice to have
> > > a simple gb.joystick class that just works like keypress for joysticks, but
> > > this works too.
> > > 
> > 
> > Curiously, it exists in a years old merge request that I never followed
> > through with because it was an afternoon project and the component would
> > be very small and Linux-specific. But the code still exists here:
> > 
> >    https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/-/merge_requests/76
> > 
> > but it is written in C for incorporation into the Gambas source tree.
> > Yours will be easier to just dump into a project.
> > 
> > Best,
> > Tobias
> > 
> 
> Oops, I completly forgot that merge request! Is it finished?
> 

Honestly, I have no idea anymore. I am on the run to catch a train and
won't have my hardware available to check it out over the weekend, but
I vaguely remember being satisfied with it.

Maybe someone else can try compiling and testing it in the meantime?

Best,
Tobias

-- 
"There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk

From tercoide at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  5 19:40:31 2021
From: tercoide at hotmail.com (martin p cristia)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 15:40:31 -0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] User Digest, Vol 50, Issue 6
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1636132681.23387.user@lists.gambas-basic.org>
References: <mailman.1.1636132681.23387.user@lists.gambas-basic.org>
Message-ID: <DM6PR12MB3946C72070D3511AAF553D36C88E9@DM6PR12MB3946.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Check this game made by Julio Sanchez, improved by me with a Joystick 
class you can easily import (and improove).

https://github.com/jsbsan/1945

https://youtu.be/Bczxtdoptfc

El 11/5/21 a las 14:18, user-request at lists.gambas-basic.org escribi?:
> Greetings!
>
> Is there still a way to read joystick events in Gambas?
> As I understand, it was done via gb.sdl before it was replaced with
> gb.sdl2, wich does not have joystick support.
>
> Dmitry.

-- 
Saludos

Ing. Martin P Cristia


From ian.roper at iinet.net.au  Fri Nov  5 20:34:59 2021
From: ian.roper at iinet.net.au (Ian Roper)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2021 06:34:59 +1100
Subject: [Gambas-user] New internal highlighting design
In-Reply-To: <c1d37c8a-2b36-8865-91aa-d29ee71ca892@gmail.com>
References: <c1d37c8a-2b36-8865-91aa-d29ee71ca892@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <648c3dbb-04d3-fd6f-951f-a87edc0d7515@iinet.net.au>

Please find attached the Gambas Black theme.


Cheers,

Ian.


On 6/11/21 3:10 am, Beno?t Minisini wrote:
> Hi,
>
> In the last commit, I have redesigned how highlighting works, so that 
> it's possible to have more highlighting styles, that can be shared by 
> the highlighters, or specific to some.
>
> And so that the code is better too. A theme is now defined by a 
> TextHighlighterTheme, whose styles are accessed by names.
>
> You should never see the internal integer constants, except if you 
> implement a new highlighter directly in the 'gb.eval.highlight' 
> component.
>
> Tell me if you have any problem with that.
>
> The current pre-defined IDE themes were left mostly untouched, and 
> most of the new styles have their default values whatever the theme.
>
> By the way, if you have defined your specific highlighting colors, and 
> if you think it could be a new editor theme, don't hesitate to send it 
> me.
>
> Regards,
>
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  5 21:05:05 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 21:05:05 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] New internal highlighting design
In-Reply-To: <648c3dbb-04d3-fd6f-951f-a87edc0d7515@iinet.net.au>
References: <c1d37c8a-2b36-8865-91aa-d29ee71ca892@gmail.com>
 <648c3dbb-04d3-fd6f-951f-a87edc0d7515@iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <f70ebef9-f678-c711-4c9e-c639b8db1316@gmail.com>

Le 05/11/2021 ? 20:34, Ian Roper a ?crit?:
> Please find attached the Gambas Black theme.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ian.
> 

Thanks. Isn't the selection background color too saturated? I hardly can 
see the selected text.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From ian.roper at iinet.net.au  Sat Nov  6 01:03:14 2021
From: ian.roper at iinet.net.au (Ian Roper)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2021 11:03:14 +1100
Subject: [Gambas-user] New internal highlighting design
In-Reply-To: <f70ebef9-f678-c711-4c9e-c639b8db1316@gmail.com>
References: <c1d37c8a-2b36-8865-91aa-d29ee71ca892@gmail.com>
 <648c3dbb-04d3-fd6f-951f-a87edc0d7515@iinet.net.au>
 <f70ebef9-f678-c711-4c9e-c639b8db1316@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b86da699-c716-6269-2ddf-911a31945ff8@iinet.net.au>

Might be due to my Laptop graphics display. It's a (very) old HP ?

Two screen-shots attached.

Happy to tweak things if required.


Cheers,

ian.


On 6/11/21 7:05 am, Beno?t Minisini wrote:
> Le 05/11/2021 ? 20:34, Ian Roper a ?crit?:
>> Please find attached the Gambas Black theme.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ian.
>>
>
> Thanks. Isn't the selection background color too saturated? I hardly 
> can see the selected text.
>
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Thu Nov 11 23:04:30 2021
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 23:04:30 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Software Farm problems
Message-ID: <CAJ2rqFZ4HiEp8Bq__VPH8Y6LTa9bMnAv0px54Zw3SqrifQmpKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Benoit,

I'm afraid the Software Farm has been targeted.
Try entering the word Tria in the filter and see that there are more than
20 software that look the same.
I have not investigated and I do not know if there are other problems.

Regards

Gianluigi
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From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Fri Nov 12 09:13:00 2021
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 09:13:00 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Software Farm problems
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2rqFZ4HiEp8Bq__VPH8Y6LTa9bMnAv0px54Zw3SqrifQmpKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ2rqFZ4HiEp8Bq__VPH8Y6LTa9bMnAv0px54Zw3SqrifQmpKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFkCsL4xWsAypP2b748L+Wr2nLy8JqwNj5RiebL3DpJqXqvxxQ@mail.gmail.com>

Well It's just an author that add ... a new version but so many time... and
without removing the old one ... Maybe a way to update an entry will be a
good idea.

Le jeu. 11 nov. 2021 ? 23:05, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Hi Benoit,
>
> I'm afraid the Software Farm has been targeted.
> Try entering the word Tria in the filter and see that there are more than
> 20 software that look the same.
> I have not investigated and I do not know if there are other problems.
>
> Regards
>
> Gianluigi
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>


-- 
Fabien Bodard
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From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Fri Nov 12 08:52:11 2021
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 23:52:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Software Farm problems
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2rqFZ4HiEp8Bq__VPH8Y6LTa9bMnAv0px54Zw3SqrifQmpKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ2rqFZ4HiEp8Bq__VPH8Y6LTa9bMnAv0px54Zw3SqrifQmpKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2073632025.8066.1636703531758.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>

Hi, I saw the code and it looks like a good project. 

I did warn this person about posting so many projects. Constant changing names I guess. 
But Maybe this person is doing it on purpose. 

The email to contact is [ mailto:joanbaptista at gmail.com | joanbaptista at gmail.com ] 

I have had a conversations about implementing things in gambas. I liked the idea of the project. 

"Failure is the key to success; 
each mistake teaches us something" .. Morihei Ueshiba 
Brian G 

----- On Nov 11, 2021, at 2:04 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote: 

> Hi Benoit,

> I'm afraid the Software Farm has been targeted.
> Try entering the word Tria in the filter and see that there are more than 20
> software that look the same.
> I have not investigated and I do not know if there are other problems.

> Regards

> Gianluigi

> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Fri Nov 12 09:52:24 2021
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 09:52:24 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Software Farm problems
In-Reply-To: <2073632025.8066.1636703531758.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
References: <CAJ2rqFZ4HiEp8Bq__VPH8Y6LTa9bMnAv0px54Zw3SqrifQmpKQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <2073632025.8066.1636703531758.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2rqFbgVY9SjTKj3-cKfXKYW3shN_qMd6NsRdci9Dbe3xwZgA@mail.gmail.com>

Il giorno ven 12 nov 2021 alle ore 09:39 Brian G <brian at westwoodsvcs.com>
ha scritto:

>
> I did warn this person about posting so many projects. Constant changing
> names I guess.
> But Maybe this person is doing it on purpose.
>
> The email to contact is joanbaptista at gmail.com
>
>
Yes, it seems to be done on purpose.
If you do not change the version, it updates without repeating itself.

Regards
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 12 11:52:13 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 10:52:13 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Software Farm problems
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2rqFZ4HiEp8Bq__VPH8Y6LTa9bMnAv0px54Zw3SqrifQmpKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ2rqFZ4HiEp8Bq__VPH8Y6LTa9bMnAv0px54Zw3SqrifQmpKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCA5gvqDu-i1zcVAeqF6eXiXw4y3N7iU9cXo9yresJMhcg@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think it's a hacker , it looks like classic PEBCAC ;) lol

I guess we (as farm users) could also email them to remove the old versions.
BruceS


On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 at 22:05, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Benoit,
>
> I'm afraid the Software Farm has been targeted.
> Try entering the word Tria in the filter and see that there are more than
> 20 software that look the same.
> I have not investigated and I do not know if there are other problems.
>
> Regards
>
> Gianluigi
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 12 13:25:34 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 12:25:34 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] New internal highlighting design
In-Reply-To: <c1d37c8a-2b36-8865-91aa-d29ee71ca892@gmail.com>
References: <c1d37c8a-2b36-8865-91aa-d29ee71ca892@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCCy=spADHY+uTpGBCUOOTNhRfp_GWoTBnvObygXSjCMFA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 at 16:11, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> In the last commit, I have redesigned how highlighting works, so that
> it's possible to have more highlighting styles, that can be shared by
> the highlighters, or specific to some.
>
> And so that the code is better too. A theme is now defined by a
> TextHighlighterTheme, whose styles are accessed by names.
>
> You should never see the internal integer constants, except if you
> implement a new highlighter directly in the 'gb.eval.highlight' component.
>
> Tell me if you have any problem with that.
>
> The current pre-defined IDE themes were left mostly untouched, and most
> of the new styles have their default values whatever the theme.
>
> By the way, if you have defined your specific highlighting colors, and
> if you think it could be a new editor theme, don't hesitate to send it me.
>
> Regards,
>

It seems to have broken my ScriptEd proggy.

not getting any highlighting of text now, only background colour is changing
https://gitlab.com/bsteers4/scripted/-/tree/new-gambas

this version (the version that is broken) Is for new-gambas and uses gambas
built in texteditor/gb.eval.highlight (not imported into source).

Respects
Bruce
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From ea7dfh at ea7dfh.com  Fri Nov 12 14:23:53 2021
From: ea7dfh at ea7dfh.com (Jesus Guardon)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 14:23:53 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Software Farm problems
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCA5gvqDu-i1zcVAeqF6eXiXw4y3N7iU9cXo9yresJMhcg@mail.gmail.com>
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 12 14:51:04 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 14:51:04 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Software Farm problems
In-Reply-To: <ac777fff-a2c2-4d9b-a3c7-e7dcab3190f0@email.android.com>
References: <ac777fff-a2c2-4d9b-a3c7-e7dcab3190f0@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <239d59ce-25bd-4ac8-3b3d-a65f3236850f@gmail.com>

Le 12/11/2021 ? 14:23, Jesus Guardon a ?crit?:
> 
> 
> El 12 nov. 2021 11:52, Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com> escribi?:
> 
>     I don't think it's a hacker , it looks like classic PEBCAC ;) lol
> 
> 
> I think this is a design flaw, no offense intended against Ben?it.
> 
> This is a farm or a code showroom, if you want, but not a versioning 
> system as git or whatever.
> 
> IMHO, inside the Farm, a new version of the *same* application might 
> supersede? previous ones, deleting them and leaving only the latest one.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jesus
> 

A new version of a project replaces a previous one only if just the 
release number changes (the last number of the three numbers of the 
version string).

Otherwise a new entry is created. And you will see the old ones in the 
software farm client window only if you check "Show old versions".

But, of course, if the publisher changes the name of its project each 
time he sends it to the farm, a new entry is created whatever the version.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 12 15:05:58 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 15:05:58 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] New internal highlighting design
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCCy=spADHY+uTpGBCUOOTNhRfp_GWoTBnvObygXSjCMFA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1d37c8a-2b36-8865-91aa-d29ee71ca892@gmail.com>
 <CABuQYCCy=spADHY+uTpGBCUOOTNhRfp_GWoTBnvObygXSjCMFA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f0bd7098-c164-6ccf-46c5-7e67175a766c@gmail.com>

Le 12/11/2021 ? 13:25, Bruce Steers a ?crit?:
> It seems to have broken my ScriptEd proggy.
> 
> not getting any highlighting of text now, only background colour is changing
> https://gitlab.com/bsteers4/scripted/-/tree/new-gambas 
> <https://gitlab.com/bsteers4/scripted/-/tree/new-gambas>
> 
> this version (the version that is broken) Is for new-gambas and uses 
> gambas built in texteditor/gb.eval.highlight (not imported into source).
> 
> Respects
> Bruce
> 

Are you talking about the "sh" highlighting that is integrated into the 
'gb.eval.highlight' component? It should still work like the other 
highlightings...

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Fri Nov 12 17:12:19 2021
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 17:12:19 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Software Farm problems
In-Reply-To: <239d59ce-25bd-4ac8-3b3d-a65f3236850f@gmail.com>
References: <ac777fff-a2c2-4d9b-a3c7-e7dcab3190f0@email.android.com>
 <239d59ce-25bd-4ac8-3b3d-a65f3236850f@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFkCsL5hbx+hM375SRetWmVHG9R5Eb5RQYEhAKBgxivRba308A@mail.gmail.com>

Le ven. 12 nov. 2021 ? 14:52, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Le 12/11/2021 ? 14:23, Jesus Guardon a ?crit :
> >
> >
> > El 12 nov. 2021 11:52, Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com> escribi?:
> >
> >     I don't think it's a hacker , it looks like classic PEBCAC ;) lol
> >
> >
> > I think this is a design flaw, no offense intended against Ben?it.
> >
> > This is a farm or a code showroom, if you want, but not a versioning
> > system as git or whatever.
> >
> > IMHO, inside the Farm, a new version of the *same* application might
> > supersede  previous ones, deleting them and leaving only the latest one.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jesus
> >
>
> A new version of a project replaces a previous one only if just the
> release number changes (the last number of the three numbers of the
> version string).
>
> Otherwise a new entry is created. And you will see the old ones in the
> software farm client window only if you check "Show old versions".
>
> But, of course, if the publisher changes the name of its project each
> time he sends it to the farm, a new entry is created whatever the version.
> Regards,
>
> haaaa ok :-)





> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>


-- 
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 12 23:33:55 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 23:33:55 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] A question about Form_Open Event
In-Reply-To: <CAFkCsL7vcm+9gV86f0wt6ucti53uVJUJL8WjYSpMh_5oez9y+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFkCsL7vcm+9gV86f0wt6ucti53uVJUJL8WjYSpMh_5oez9y+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e7abf8e3-c944-54f2-26d9-c77e5ebeb59b@gmail.com>

Le 24/10/2021 ? 10:49, Fabien Bodard a ?crit?:
> Hi Benoit,
> 
> It seem that the Form_Open event is not raised when the form is embedded 
> in a container.
> 
> What is the best way to achieve an init on first?load only ? _Load ?
> 
> And finally, why this event is not fired on this case ?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> -- 
> Fabien Bodard
> 

It's a bug in GTK+ component.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 13 00:26:58 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 00:26:58 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] A question about Form_Open Event
In-Reply-To: <e7abf8e3-c944-54f2-26d9-c77e5ebeb59b@gmail.com>
References: <CAFkCsL7vcm+9gV86f0wt6ucti53uVJUJL8WjYSpMh_5oez9y+Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <e7abf8e3-c944-54f2-26d9-c77e5ebeb59b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <317fdf33-8026-9aa8-6da9-29eb38cb5c19@gmail.com>

Le 12/11/2021 ? 23:33, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
> Le 24/10/2021 ? 10:49, Fabien Bodard a ?crit?:
>> Hi Benoit,
>>
>> It seem that the Form_Open event is not raised when the form is 
>> embedded in a container.
>>
>> What is the best way to achieve an init on first?load only ? _Load ?
>>
>> And finally, why this event is not fired on this case ?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> -- 
>> Fabien Bodard
>>
> 
> It's a bug in GTK+ component.
> 

It should be fixed by commit 
https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/-/commit/618a84f2647e74b13b1018360beaab8e9fb434bc.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Sat Nov 13 06:59:22 2021
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 06:59:22 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] A question about Form_Open Event
In-Reply-To: <317fdf33-8026-9aa8-6da9-29eb38cb5c19@gmail.com>
References: <CAFkCsL7vcm+9gV86f0wt6ucti53uVJUJL8WjYSpMh_5oez9y+Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <e7abf8e3-c944-54f2-26d9-c77e5ebeb59b@gmail.com>
 <317fdf33-8026-9aa8-6da9-29eb38cb5c19@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFkCsL5Q2UPzXkbYAMNg7W-4JXGocr2gsZk4QbAELAQWoDGLMw@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 14 01:49:27 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 00:49:27 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] New internal highlighting design
In-Reply-To: <f0bd7098-c164-6ccf-46c5-7e67175a766c@gmail.com>
References: <c1d37c8a-2b36-8865-91aa-d29ee71ca892@gmail.com>
 <CABuQYCCy=spADHY+uTpGBCUOOTNhRfp_GWoTBnvObygXSjCMFA@mail.gmail.com>
 <f0bd7098-c164-6ccf-46c5-7e67175a766c@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCDNt_VRZH3Z6_jpvFOF6iWvepo3ZXaYgv4HJgDRE1UZTA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 at 14:07, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Le 12/11/2021 ? 13:25, Bruce Steers a ?crit :
> > It seems to have broken my ScriptEd proggy.
> >
> > not getting any highlighting of text now, only background colour is
> changing
> > https://gitlab.com/bsteers4/scripted/-/tree/new-gambas
> > <https://gitlab.com/bsteers4/scripted/-/tree/new-gambas>
> >
> > this version (the version that is broken) Is for new-gambas and uses
> > gambas built in texteditor/gb.eval.highlight (not imported into source).
> >
> > Respects
> > Bruce
> >
>
> Are you talking about the "sh" highlighting that is integrated into the
> 'gb.eval.highlight' component? It should still work like the other
> highlightings...
>

Seems to be no highlighting at all.

I attach a very simple project, has a texteditor and loads a gambas module
in the source folder on start.
It has a combo box to set TextEditor1.Highlight to either "" or "gambas"

it does not seem to work
Cheers
BruceS
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 14 01:57:12 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 00:57:12 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] New internal highlighting design
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 at 00:49, Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 at 14:07, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Le 12/11/2021 ? 13:25, Bruce Steers a ?crit :
>> > It seems to have broken my ScriptEd proggy.
>> >
>> > not getting any highlighting of text now, only background colour is
>> changing
>> > https://gitlab.com/bsteers4/scripted/-/tree/new-gambas
>> > <https://gitlab.com/bsteers4/scripted/-/tree/new-gambas>
>> >
>> > this version (the version that is broken) Is for new-gambas and uses
>> > gambas built in texteditor/gb.eval.highlight (not imported into source).
>> >
>> > Respects
>> > Bruce
>> >
>>
>> Are you talking about the "sh" highlighting that is integrated into the
>> 'gb.eval.highlight' component? It should still work like the other
>> highlightings...
>>
>
> Seems to be no highlighting at all.
>
> I attach a very simple project, has a texteditor and loads a gambas module
> in the source folder on start.
> It has a combo box to set TextEditor1.Highlight to either "" or "gambas"
>
> it does not seem to work
> Cheers
>

seems if i set the highlight to gambas in the IDE then i get gambas
highlighting on start.

if i then use the combobox to set highlight to "" (none), the text becomes
unhighlighted
if i then use the combobox to set it to gambas again it does not change but
remains unhighlighted.

Respects
BruceS
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From tmorehen at ajm-software.com  Sun Nov 14 05:10:54 2021
From: tmorehen at ajm-software.com (Tony Morehen)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 23:10:54 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] New internal highlighting design
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How do you reverse the gmail.txt conversion? Sorry but I've 
lost/forgotten the instructions.

On 2021-11-13 19:49, Bruce Steers wrote:
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 at 14:07, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Le 12/11/2021 ? 13:25, Bruce Steers a ?crit?:
>     > It seems to have broken my ScriptEd proggy.
>     >
>     > not getting any highlighting of text now, only background colour
>     is changing
>     > https://gitlab.com/bsteers4/scripted/-/tree/new-gambas
>     > <https://gitlab.com/bsteers4/scripted/-/tree/new-gambas>
>     >
>     > this version (the version that is broken) Is for new-gambas and
>     uses
>     > gambas built in texteditor/gb.eval.highlight (not imported into
>     source).
>     >
>     > Respects
>     > Bruce
>     >
>
>     Are you talking about the "sh" highlighting that is integrated
>     into the
>     'gb.eval.highlight' component? It should still work like the other
>     highlightings...
>
>
> Seems to be no highlighting at all.
>
> I attach a very simple project, has a texteditor and loads a gambas 
> module in the source folder on start.
> It has a combo box to set TextEditor1.Highlight to either "" or "gambas"
>
> it does not seem to work
> Cheers
> BruceS
>
>
> ----[http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette  ]----
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 14 09:47:39 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 08:47:39 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] New internal highlighting design
In-Reply-To: <0c953419-59c1-498d-6072-57e7460d7bc7@ajmconsulting.ca>
References: <c1d37c8a-2b36-8865-91aa-d29ee71ca892@gmail.com>
 <CABuQYCCy=spADHY+uTpGBCUOOTNhRfp_GWoTBnvObygXSjCMFA@mail.gmail.com>
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I use a program from the farm called gmail-attachment-pipe


On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 at 04:22, Tony Morehen <tmorehen at ajm-software.com>
wrote:

> How do you reverse the gmail.txt conversion? Sorry but I've lost/forgotten
> the instructions.
> On 2021-11-13 19:49, Bruce Steers wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 at 14:07, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Le 12/11/2021 ? 13:25, Bruce Steers a ?crit :
>> > It seems to have broken my ScriptEd proggy.
>> >
>> > not getting any highlighting of text now, only background colour is
>> changing
>> > https://gitlab.com/bsteers4/scripted/-/tree/new-gambas
>> > <https://gitlab.com/bsteers4/scripted/-/tree/new-gambas>
>> >
>> > this version (the version that is broken) Is for new-gambas and uses
>> > gambas built in texteditor/gb.eval.highlight (not imported into source).
>> >
>> > Respects
>> > Bruce
>> >
>>
>> Are you talking about the "sh" highlighting that is integrated into the
>> 'gb.eval.highlight' component? It should still work like the other
>> highlightings...
>>
>
> Seems to be no highlighting at all.
>
> I attach a very simple project, has a texteditor and loads a gambas module
> in the source folder on start.
> It has a combo box to set TextEditor1.Highlight to either "" or "gambas"
>
> it does not seem to work
> Cheers
> BruceS
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 14 10:59:46 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 09:59:46 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] New internal highlighting design
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCDws5VQ1A-oOLP6tB1OFwrggTbr_Kkk45jRvS7jdtU3-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1d37c8a-2b36-8865-91aa-d29ee71ca892@gmail.com>
 <CABuQYCCy=spADHY+uTpGBCUOOTNhRfp_GWoTBnvObygXSjCMFA@mail.gmail.com>
 <f0bd7098-c164-6ccf-46c5-7e67175a766c@gmail.com>
 <CABuQYCDNt_VRZH3Z6_jpvFOF6iWvepo3ZXaYgv4HJgDRE1UZTA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CABuQYCAnGSCL10o9Dp=EWRUNmhqZ0oqNhR+rT4zAMGCUMRb2HA@mail.gmail.com>

aah sorry this is not a bug with the latest changes.
Seems it's an old bug, I mostly use the ScriptEd version that has imported
texteditor class so i had not noticed the bug.
i just tried an old Debian10 system with gambas 3.12 and bug does not
happen.
it does happen on 3.15.90 though

Wishing well
BruceS

On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 at 00:57, Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 at 00:49, Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 at 14:07, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Le 12/11/2021 ? 13:25, Bruce Steers a ?crit :
>>> > It seems to have broken my ScriptEd proggy.
>>> >
>>> > not getting any highlighting of text now, only background colour is
>>> changing
>>> > https://gitlab.com/bsteers4/scripted/-/tree/new-gambas
>>> > <https://gitlab.com/bsteers4/scripted/-/tree/new-gambas>
>>> >
>>> > this version (the version that is broken) Is for new-gambas and uses
>>> > gambas built in texteditor/gb.eval.highlight (not imported into
>>> source).
>>> >
>>> > Respects
>>> > Bruce
>>> >
>>>
>>> Are you talking about the "sh" highlighting that is integrated into the
>>> 'gb.eval.highlight' component? It should still work like the other
>>> highlightings...
>>>
>>
>> Seems to be no highlighting at all.
>>
>> I attach a very simple project, has a texteditor and loads a gambas
>> module in the source folder on start.
>> It has a combo box to set TextEditor1.Highlight to either "" or "gambas"
>>
>> it does not seem to work
>> Cheers
>>
>
> seems if i set the highlight to gambas in the IDE then i get gambas
> highlighting on start.
>
> if i then use the combobox to set highlight to "" (none), the text becomes
> unhighlighted
> if i then use the combobox to set it to gambas again it does not change
> but remains unhighlighted.
>
> Respects
> BruceS
>
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 14 18:59:08 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 18:59:08 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] New internal highlighting design
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCDNt_VRZH3Z6_jpvFOF6iWvepo3ZXaYgv4HJgDRE1UZTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1d37c8a-2b36-8865-91aa-d29ee71ca892@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <bcc9268e-0639-6efc-e804-c8e2bc54a9bf@gmail.com>

Le 14/11/2021 ? 01:49, Bruce Steers a ?crit?:
> 
> Seems to be no highlighting at all.
> 
> I attach a very simple project, has a texteditor and loads a gambas 
> module in the source folder on start.
> It has a combo box to set TextEditor1.Highlight to either "" or "gambas"
> 
> it does not seem to work
> Cheers
> BruceS
> 

The bug should have been fixed by commit 
https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/-/commit/6a495cbc889fb1c4bb2dfea84195f68575c90589.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From chrisml at deganius.de  Sun Nov 14 18:52:22 2021
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 18:52:22 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] New internal highlighting design
In-Reply-To: <0c953419-59c1-498d-6072-57e7460d7bc7@ajmconsulting.ca>
References: <c1d37c8a-2b36-8865-91aa-d29ee71ca892@gmail.com>
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 <f0bd7098-c164-6ccf-46c5-7e67175a766c@gmail.com>
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Am 14.11.21 um 05:10 schrieb Tony Morehen:

> How do you reverse the gmail.txt conversion? Sorry but I've 
> lost/forgotten the instructions.

Me too. You can do:

File->Open Project->Open-> ... choose file ->
uncompress -> uncompress again

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 01:01:28 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 00:01:28 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] New internal highlighting design
In-Reply-To: <bcc9268e-0639-6efc-e804-c8e2bc54a9bf@gmail.com>
References: <c1d37c8a-2b36-8865-91aa-d29ee71ca892@gmail.com>
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 at 18:00, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Le 14/11/2021 ? 01:49, Bruce Steers a ?crit :
> >
> > Seems to be no highlighting at all.
> >
> > I attach a very simple project, has a texteditor and loads a gambas
> > module in the source folder on start.
> > It has a combo box to set TextEditor1.Highlight to either "" or "gambas"
> >
> > it does not seem to work
> > Cheers
> > BruceS
> >
>
> The bug should have been fixed by commit
>
> https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/-/commit/6a495cbc889fb1c4bb2dfea84195f68575c90589
> .
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini


Great stuff Ben thank you :)
It's working great now.

And thank you for the new method :) using the sting names will make for
much nicer code when saving settings :)
Respects
BruceS
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From hans at gambas-buch.de  Tue Nov 16 09:37:54 2021
From: hans at gambas-buch.de (Hans Lehmann)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 09:37:54 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Uninstall MySQL completely
Message-ID: <505d38ef-7546-1971-a141-bd74037133d8@gambas-buch.de>

Hello,

I have already succeeded in completely uninstalling MySQL and banishing 
it from the disk? I can't get it to work, although I have tried many 
instructions on the net. At the moment nothing works - neither forwards 
nor backwards - I only get various error messages, which are often 
different. My OS is Mint20 with Cinnamon. Gambas 3.16.3 is installed.

Any tried and tested help will be gladly read.

With kind regards

Hans

From bagonergi at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 12:06:32 2021
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 12:06:32 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Uninstall MySQL completely
In-Reply-To: <505d38ef-7546-1971-a141-bd74037133d8@gambas-buch.de>
References: <505d38ef-7546-1971-a141-bd74037133d8@gambas-buch.de>
Message-ID: <CAJ2rqFa9eBfmrV_BfpbsL0gnqxT22LfZWiwpQXpVBXZV7Bu7Uw@mail.gmail.com>

Il giorno mar 16 nov 2021 alle ore 10:04 Hans Lehmann <hans at gambas-buch.de>
ha scritto:

> Hello,
>
> I have already succeeded in completely uninstalling MySQL and banishing
> it from the disk? I can't get it to work, although I have tried many
> instructions on the net. At the moment nothing works - neither forwards
> nor backwards - I only get various error messages, which are often
> different. My OS is Mint20 with Cinnamon. Gambas 3.16.3 is installed.
>
> Any tried and tested help will be gladly read.
>
> With kind regards
>
> Hans
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>

Hi Hans,

have you already tried these steps?
https://noviello.it/come-disinstallare-o-rimuovere-completamente-mysql-da-ubuntu-20-04-lts/
The first part refers to the server and (maybe) you can skip it.

With the Best Regards

Gianluigi
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From karl.reinl at fen-net.de  Tue Nov 16 21:09:08 2021
From: karl.reinl at fen-net.de (Karl Reinl)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 21:09:08 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Uninstall MySQL completely
In-Reply-To: <505d38ef-7546-1971-a141-bd74037133d8@gambas-buch.de>
References: <505d38ef-7546-1971-a141-bd74037133d8@gambas-buch.de>
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Am Dienstag, dem 16.11.2021 um 09:37 +0100 schrieb Hans Lehmann:
> Hello,
> 
> I have already succeeded in completely uninstalling MySQL and
> banishing 
> it from the disk? I can't get it to work, although I have tried many 
> instructions on the net. At the moment nothing works - neither
> forwards 
> nor backwards - I only get various error messages, which are often 
> different. My OS is Mint20 with Cinnamon. Gambas 3.16.3 is installed.
> 
> Any tried and tested help will be gladly read.
> 
> With kind regards
> 
> Hans
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

Salut Hans,

use MySql since ages, never had such troubles you write.
Abut since 16 month I use it in a docker container for multiple
reasons, and the installaion of docker and the mysql-image was not a 
mirical. Installed it on an external diskso I have no more problems
when changing the box or OS. I use it from gambas, and hibiscus. MySql
Workbench is used for SQL testings.
But I don't use Mint20 with Cinnamon.
- -- 
Amicalement
Charlie
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From carloskabronsete at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 18:12:58 2021
From: carloskabronsete at gmail.com (Carlos Kabronsete)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 18:12:58 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Component written in C and Gambas
Message-ID: <CAPtuRjJKbg14eCTXwYSCPEhOYkjrF+L9kNxCPqBJfXrAyJ8wjA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi
I have written a component in C and Gambas.

How to convert everything into a single code?
I can compile the code in C and leave it in a library, but the component
would have two files (the gambas code and the library)

Is there any other alternative?

The purpose of a library is to share code, but I do not need to share code.
I only need to call to four C functions from a Gambas application.

Thanks in advance
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From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Wed Nov 17 19:19:07 2021
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 10:19:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Component written in C and Gambas
In-Reply-To: <CAPtuRjJKbg14eCTXwYSCPEhOYkjrF+L9kNxCPqBJfXrAyJ8wjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPtuRjJKbg14eCTXwYSCPEhOYkjrF+L9kNxCPqBJfXrAyJ8wjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <422264822.9009.1637173147288.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>

What are you doing in your c code? 

Could you not do what your doing inside a gambas program. 

You can call all and any c library function, handle callbacks etc directly from a gambas application. 

"Failure is the key to success; 
each mistake teaches us something" .. Morihei Ueshiba 
Brian G 

----- On Nov 17, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Brian G <brian at westwoodsvcs.com> wrote: 

> you can call all your

> "Failure is the key to success;
> each mistake teaches us something" .. Morihei Ueshiba
> Brian G

> ----- On Nov 17, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Carlos Kabronsete
> <carloskabronsete at gmail.com> wrote:

>> Hi
>> I have written a component in C and Gambas.

>> How to convert everything into a single code?
>> I can compile the code in C and leave it in a library, but the component would
>> have two files (the gambas code and the library)

>> Is there any other alternative?

>> The purpose of a library is to share code, but I do not need to share code. I
>> only need to call to four C functions from a Gambas application.

>> Thanks in advance

>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 22:06:19 2021
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 23:06:19 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Component written in C and Gambas
In-Reply-To: <CAPtuRjJKbg14eCTXwYSCPEhOYkjrF+L9kNxCPqBJfXrAyJ8wjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPtuRjJKbg14eCTXwYSCPEhOYkjrF+L9kNxCPqBJfXrAyJ8wjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFJMe7SuMH_YOZrH1QG_46tAPzKMdHFXYaJK+VhxMiFHOHL8CQ@mail.gmail.com>

How to convert everything into a single code?
>

What does that mean? Into a single file?


I can compile the code in C and leave it in a library, but the component
> would have two files (the gambas code and the library)
>

What is the problem in that?



> The purpose of a library is to share code, but I do not need to share
> code. I only need to call to four C functions from a Gambas application.
>

That is *one* purpose of a library.


Jussi
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From carloskabronsete at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 22:39:24 2021
From: carloskabronsete at gmail.com (Carlos Kabronsete)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 22:39:24 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Component written in C and Gambas
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No. It can't be done in gambas. It requires C.
I don't need standard libraries. I wrote my own code.
I can create my own library but I ask if there is a way to execute my C
functions  without a library.
When a user downloads the component, It must be functional as soon as it is
installed and user doesn't need to search for additional libraries.
Thanks
?



El mi?, 17 nov 2021 a las 20:06, Brian G (<brian at westwoodsvcs.com>)
escribi?:

> What are you doing in your c code?
>
> Could you not do what your doing inside a gambas program.
>
> You can call all and any  c library function, handle callbacks etc
> directly from a gambas application.
>
> "Failure is the key to success;
>  each mistake teaches us something"  .. Morihei Ueshiba
> Brian G
>
> ----- On Nov 17, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Brian G <brian at westwoodsvcs.com>
> wrote:
>
> you can call all your
>
> "Failure is the key to success;
>  each mistake teaches us something"  .. Morihei Ueshiba
> Brian G
>
> ----- On Nov 17, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Carlos Kabronsete <
> carloskabronsete at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi
> I have written a component in C and Gambas.
>
> How to convert everything into a single code?
> I can compile the code in C and leave it in a library, but the component
> would have two files (the gambas code and the library)
>
> Is there any other alternative?
>
> The purpose of a library is to share code, but I do not need to share
> code. I only need to call to four C functions from a Gambas application.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Wed Nov 17 22:17:09 2021
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Mart=c3=adn_Belmonte?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 22:17:09 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Bug tracker works?
Message-ID: <1ff0aa6b-82e7-f185-69ce-32a786f031e7@belmotek.net>

Hi, I want to enter the bug tracker but I can't get in.

Best regards.

Mart?n.


From carloskabronsete at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 22:44:43 2021
From: carloskabronsete at gmail.com (Carlos Kabronsete)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 22:44:43 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Component written in C and Gambas
In-Reply-To: <CAFJMe7SuMH_YOZrH1QG_46tAPzKMdHFXYaJK+VhxMiFHOHL8CQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPtuRjJKbg14eCTXwYSCPEhOYkjrF+L9kNxCPqBJfXrAyJ8wjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFJMe7SuMH_YOZrH1QG_46tAPzKMdHFXYaJK+VhxMiFHOHL8CQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPtuRjJdBOuCfND9tYH3s9KQ_Uen6A7yuiBt4=yOZsqfxDDMHg@mail.gmail.com>

Not a single file.
I wrote my first C component for gambas and I want that as soon as that
component is installed it can work without searching for additional non
standard libraries.
This component has C functions and gambas functions.
Thanks
?

El mi?, 17 nov 2021 a las 22:07, Jussi Lahtinen (<jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>)
escribi?:

>
> How to convert everything into a single code?
>>
>
> What does that mean? Into a single file?
>
>
> I can compile the code in C and leave it in a library, but the component
>> would have two files (the gambas code and the library)
>>
>
> What is the problem in that?
>
>
>
>> The purpose of a library is to share code, but I do not need to share
>> code. I only need to call to four C functions from a Gambas application.
>>
>
> That is *one* purpose of a library.
>
>
> Jussi
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Wed Nov 17 22:51:33 2021
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Mart=c3=adn_Belmonte?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 22:51:33 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] If gambas installed from sources your package will
 not work.
Message-ID: <f1b2a4f5-ba8b-a980-c059-c035875a2ae8@belmotek.net>

Hi.

I made a new mail because bug tracker doesn't work for me.

I install gambas IDE from sources in debian testing, 3.16.9

git clone --depth=1 https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas.git

sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install -y build-essential g++ 
automake autoconf libbz2-dev libzstd-dev default-libmysqlclient-dev 
unixodbc-dev libpq-dev libsqlite3-dev libglib2.0-dev libgtk2.0-dev 
libcurl4-gnutls-dev libgtkglext1-dev libpcre3-dev libsdl-sound1.2-dev 
libsdl-mixer1.2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libxml2-dev libxslt1-dev 
librsvg2-dev libpoppler-dev libpoppler-glib-dev libpoppler-private-dev 
libpoppler-cpp-dev libasound2-dev libdirectfb-dev libxtst-dev libffi-dev 
libglew-dev libimlib2-dev libv4l-dev libsdl-ttf2.0-dev 
libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev linux-libc-dev libgstreamer1.0-dev 
libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-dev libcairo2-dev libgsl-dev 
libncurses5-dev libgmime-3.0-dev libalure-dev libgmp-dev libgtk-3-dev 
libsdl2-dev libsdl2-mixer-dev libsdl2-ttf-dev libsdl2-image-dev 
sane-utils libdumb1-dev libqt5opengl5-dev libqt5svg5-dev 
libqt5webkit5-dev libqt5x11extras5-dev qtbase5-dev qtwebengine5-dev 
libwebkit2gtk-4.0-dev git libssl-dev


./reconf-all

./configure -C --disable-keyring --disable-sqlite2 --disable-qt4 
--disable-qtwebkit

make -j

sudo make install

- Then the IDE work fine.

1) I open a project

2) I made a package (tradukisto) for debian.

3a) sudo gdebi tradukisto_0.2.34-1_all.deb

it method install all dependencies because in the debian repository its 
was founded by package installer, but gambas IDE was broken after 
unistall its dependencies.

3b) sudo dpkg -i tradukisto_0.2.34-1_all.deb

it method abort the installation.

then it remains impossible to install a package on a system on which the 
gambas components were installed from the source with make + make 
install method.

Best regrds

Mart?n.


From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 22:57:05 2021
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 23:57:05 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Component written in C and Gambas
In-Reply-To: <CAPtuRjJdBOuCfND9tYH3s9KQ_Uen6A7yuiBt4=yOZsqfxDDMHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPtuRjJKbg14eCTXwYSCPEhOYkjrF+L9kNxCPqBJfXrAyJ8wjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFJMe7SuMH_YOZrH1QG_46tAPzKMdHFXYaJK+VhxMiFHOHL8CQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPtuRjJdBOuCfND9tYH3s9KQ_Uen6A7yuiBt4=yOZsqfxDDMHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFJMe7R47w1dyaRkwTnDTXYoX4sNSqVx9yf+xqqDC2o+=CQ+pQ@mail.gmail.com>

I really can't see what the problem is. Just pack the library (or its code)
along with the gambas component.

Jussi

On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 11:46 PM Carlos Kabronsete <
carloskabronsete at gmail.com> wrote:

> Not a single file.
> I wrote my first C component for gambas and I want that as soon as that
> component is installed it can work without searching for additional non
> standard libraries.
> This component has C functions and gambas functions.
> Thanks
> ?
>
> El mi?, 17 nov 2021 a las 22:07, Jussi Lahtinen (<jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>)
> escribi?:
>
>>
>> How to convert everything into a single code?
>>>
>>
>> What does that mean? Into a single file?
>>
>>
>> I can compile the code in C and leave it in a library, but the component
>>> would have two files (the gambas code and the library)
>>>
>>
>> What is the problem in that?
>>
>>
>>
>>> The purpose of a library is to share code, but I do not need to share
>>> code. I only need to call to four C functions from a Gambas application.
>>>
>>
>> That is *one* purpose of a library.
>>
>>
>> Jussi
>>
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 23:04:14 2021
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 17:04:14 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] Component written in C and Gambas
In-Reply-To: <CAPtuRjLqj-B1GqSOB5z+XoNzyCJZ7oDbggB1K8DGKx2fFnV4sg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPtuRjJKbg14eCTXwYSCPEhOYkjrF+L9kNxCPqBJfXrAyJ8wjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <422264822.9009.1637173147288.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
 <CAPtuRjLqj-B1GqSOB5z+XoNzyCJZ7oDbggB1K8DGKx2fFnV4sg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <62c469d4-845b-ad1b-58ca-2bdc4a54aed4@gmail.com>

On 11/17/21 4:39 PM, Carlos Kabronsete wrote:
> I can create my own library but I ask if there is a way to execute my C functions? without a library.

As far as I know there is no way to execute C functions from within Gambas without using a library since Gambas does not provide 
for in-lining C code (unless I missed that capability somewhere). Just add the library as an Extra File when you make the 
installation package.


-- 
Lee

From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 23:05:43 2021
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 17:05:43 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] Bug tracker works?
In-Reply-To: <1ff0aa6b-82e7-f185-69ce-32a786f031e7@belmotek.net>
References: <1ff0aa6b-82e7-f185-69ce-32a786f031e7@belmotek.net>
Message-ID: <fd2e47d6-b8b5-871d-0e52-10d0edc0e043@gmail.com>

On 11/17/21 4:17 PM, Mart?n Belmonte wrote:
> Hi, I want to enter the bug tracker but I can't get in.
> 
> Best regards.
> 
> Mart?n.

Have you registered with the bug tracker?

What happens when you try to log in? Do you get any error message?


-- 
Lee

From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Wed Nov 17 23:19:04 2021
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Mart=c3=adn_Belmonte?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 23:19:04 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Bug tracker works?
In-Reply-To: <fd2e47d6-b8b5-871d-0e52-10d0edc0e043@gmail.com>
References: <1ff0aa6b-82e7-f185-69ce-32a786f031e7@belmotek.net>
 <fd2e47d6-b8b5-871d-0e52-10d0edc0e043@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7a83e92f-00bd-427b-befd-69a58d81eb15@belmotek.net>

yes, I'm registered.

Now works propperly.

https://gambaswiki.org/bugtracker

Best regards.

El 17/11/21 a las 23:05, T Lee Davidson escribi?:
> Have you registered with the bug tracker?
>
> What happens when you try to log in? Do you get any error message? 

From tercoide at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 18 13:25:54 2021
From: tercoide at hotmail.com (martin p cristia)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 09:25:54 -0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] Missing control in WebDemo example from the Farm
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1637187601.15932.user@lists.gambas-basic.org>
References: <mailman.1.1637187601.15932.user@lists.gambas-basic.org>
Message-ID: <CH2PR12MB3943BB0E1A84D769EA335F84C89B9@CH2PR12MB3943.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hi, I am trying to test the WebDemo example from the farm and fails due 
to a missing WebTree control. Using todays Daily build.


[System]

Gambas=3.16.90
OperatingSystem=Linux
Kernel=5.13.0-21-generic
Architecture=x86_64
Distribution=Ubuntu 21.10
Desktop=UBUNTU
Font=Ubuntu,11
Scale=8
Theme=yaru
Language=es_AR.UTF-8
Memory=7858M

[Libraries]
Cairo=libcairo.so.2.11600.0
Curl=libcurl.so.4.7.0
DBus=libdbus-1.so.3.19.13
GDK2=libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.33
GDK3=libgdk-3.so.0.2404.26
GStreamer=libgstreamer-1.0.so.0.1805.0
GTK+2=libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.33
GTK+3=libgtk-3.so.0.2404.26
OpenGL=libGL.so.1.7.0
Poppler=libpoppler.so.111.0.0
Poppler=libpoppler.so.73.0.0
QT5=libQt5Core.so.5.15.2
SDL=libSDL-1.2.so.0.11.4
SQLite=libsqlite3.so.0.8.6

[Environment]
DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:path=/run/user/1000/bus
DEFAULTS_PATH=/usr/share/gconf/ubuntu.default.path
DESKTOP_SESSION=ubuntu
DISPLAY=:1
GB_GUI=gb.gtk3
GDMSESSION=ubuntu
GIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE=/usr/share/applications/gambas3.desktop
GIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE_PID=10269
GJS_DEBUG_OUTPUT=stderr
GJS_DEBUG_TOPICS=JS ERROR;JS LOG
GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID=this-is-deprecated
GNOME_SHELL_SESSION_MODE=ubuntu
GPG_AGENT_INFO=/run/user/1000/gnupg/S.gpg-agent:0:1
GPG_TTY=no es un `tty'
GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge
HOME=<home>
IM_CONFIG_PHASE=1
INVOCATION_ID=2a7c8aa6913e4f9e8a8ae2c151cd8e8c
JOURNAL_STREAM=8:40107
LANG=es_AR.UTF-8
LANGUAGE=es_AR.UTF-8
LC_ADDRESS=en_US.UTF-8
LC_ALL=es_AR.UTF-8
LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_US.UTF-8
LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.UTF-8
LC_MONETARY=en_US.UTF-8
LC_NAME=en_US.UTF-8
LC_NUMERIC=en_US.UTF-8
LC_PAPER=en_US.UTF-8
LC_TELEPHONE=en_US.UTF-8
LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8
LOGNAME=<user>
MANAGERPID=2200
MANDATORY_PATH=/usr/share/gconf/ubuntu.mandatory.path
PAPERSIZE=letter
PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin:/snap/bin
PWD=<home>
QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1
QT_IM_MODULE=ibus
QT_LOGGING_RULES=*.debug=false
QT_QPA_PLATFORM=xcb
SESSION_MANAGER=local/<hostname>:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/2356,unix/<hostname>:/tmp/.ICE-unix/2356
SHELL=/bin/bash
SHLVL=0
SSH_AGENT_LAUNCHER=gnome-keyring
SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/run/user/1000/keyring/ssh
SYSTEMD_EXEC_PID=2375
TZ=:/etc/localtime
USER=<user>
USERNAME=<user>
WINDOWPATH=2
XAUTHORITY=/run/user/1000/gdm/Xauthority
XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntu:/etc/xdg
XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=ubuntu:GNOME
XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/ubuntu:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/:/var/lib/snapd/desktop
XDG_MENU_PREFIX=gnome-
XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000
XDG_SESSION_CLASS=user
XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=ubuntu
XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11
XMODIFIERS=@im=ibus
_=/usr/bin/dbus-update-activation-environment

-- 
Saludos

Ing. Martin P Cristia

From vuott at tutanota.com  Thu Nov 18 14:17:56 2021
From: vuott at tutanota.com (vuott at tutanota.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 14:17:56 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Gambas-user] How does the GridView_ColumnSize() event work?
Message-ID: <MonB_8V--3-2@tutanota.com>

Hello,
does anyone have a brief and essential code that uses the ? GridView_ColumnSize() ?? event ?

vuott
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From carloskabronsete at gmail.com  Thu Nov 18 16:03:40 2021
From: carloskabronsete at gmail.com (Carlos Kabronsete)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 16:03:40 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Component written in C and Gambas
In-Reply-To: <62c469d4-845b-ad1b-58ca-2bdc4a54aed4@gmail.com>
References: <CAPtuRjJKbg14eCTXwYSCPEhOYkjrF+L9kNxCPqBJfXrAyJ8wjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <422264822.9009.1637173147288.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
 <CAPtuRjLqj-B1GqSOB5z+XoNzyCJZ7oDbggB1K8DGKx2fFnV4sg@mail.gmail.com>
 <62c469d4-845b-ad1b-58ca-2bdc4a54aed4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPtuRjKcN4LFPjDi4z4t9LZKp3h_Gh4QOptR1P8CD3M1ywNL4g@mail.gmail.com>

That was my question. I'll do it like that.
It is my first component in C, that's the reason for my doubts.
Thank you

El mi?, 17 nov 2021 a las 23:05, T Lee Davidson (<t.lee.davidson at gmail.com>)
escribi?:

> On 11/17/21 4:39 PM, Carlos Kabronsete wrote:
> > I can create my own library but I ask if there is a way to execute my C
> functions  without a library.
>
> As far as I know there is no way to execute C functions from within Gambas
> without using a library since Gambas does not provide
> for in-lining C code (unless I missed that capability somewhere). Just add
> the library as an Extra File when you make the
> installation package.
>
>
> --
> Lee
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Thu Nov 18 16:20:24 2021
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 16:20:24 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] How does the GridView_ColumnSize() event work?
In-Reply-To: <MonB_8V--3-2@tutanota.com>
References: <MonB_8V--3-2@tutanota.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2rqFatq+TVicYXUQwsyLtVEj_+8Ag=RZE1c0G_5gE5O4pp4g@mail.gmail.com>

Il giorno gio 18 nov 2021 alle ore 14:28 vuott--- via User <
user at lists.gambas-basic.org> ha scritto:

> Hello,
> does anyone have a brief and essential code that uses the ?
> GridView_ColumnSize() ?  event ?
>

Yes, you can look here:

https://www.gambas-it.org/smf/index.php?topic=8928.msg51019#msg51019

Regards
Gianluigi
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 18 17:51:07 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 17:51:07 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
Message-ID: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm sick since Nov. 9th, maybe the Flu, probably the Covid because I 
completly lost taste and smell.

The problem is that I am very tired almost permanently (sleeping all the 
time), every action, even intellectual, being an effort. So I have very 
few hours in the day where my brain is operational.

So don't be surprised if it takes me a long time to answer mails...

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From jose.rodriguez at cenpalab.cu  Thu Nov 18 17:53:46 2021
From: jose.rodriguez at cenpalab.cu (jose.rodriguez at cenpalab.cu)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 16:53:46 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
In-Reply-To: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
References: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <650e4ccb05a69401fcc3a5f3a79f7d15@cenpalab.cu>

November 18, 2021 11:51 AM, "Beno?t Minisini" <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm sick since Nov. 9th, maybe the Flu, probably the Covid because I 
> completly lost taste and smell.
> 
> The problem is that I am very tired almost permanently (sleeping all the 
> time), every action, even intellectual, being an effort. So I have very 
> few hours in the day where my brain is operational.
> 
> So don't be surprised if it takes me a long time to answer mails...
> 


Take care Benoit, hope it doesn't turn out too serious.

Regards,
Joe1962


From vuott at tutanota.com  Thu Nov 18 18:03:43 2021
From: vuott at tutanota.com (vuott at tutanota.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 18:03:43 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
In-Reply-To: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
References: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Moo-Fj3--3-2@tutanota.com>

"Auguri di pronta guarigione."

vuott


18 nov 2021, 17:51 da g4mba5 at gmail.com:

> Hi,
>
> I'm sick since Nov. 9th, maybe the Flu, probably the Covid because I completly lost taste and smell.
>
> The problem is that I am very tired almost permanently (sleeping all the time), every action, even intellectual, being an effort. So I have very few hours in the day where my brain is operational.
>
> So don't be surprised if it takes me a long time to answer mails...
>
> -- 
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Thu Nov 18 18:14:36 2021
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 12:14:36 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
In-Reply-To: <Moo-Fj3--3-2@tutanota.com>
References: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
 <Moo-Fj3--3-2@tutanota.com>
Message-ID: <40e0c0d9-eb36-e014-cd96-1219acf90cb4@gmail.com>

On 11/18/21 12:03 PM, vuott--- via User wrote:
> "Auguri di pronta guarigione."
> 
> vuott

Agreed.
"Best wishes for a speedy recovery."


-- 
Lee


Ref:
> 18 nov 2021, 17:51 da g4mba5 at gmail.com:
> 
>     Hi,
> 
>     I'm sick since Nov. 9th, maybe the Flu, probably the Covid because I completly lost taste and smell.
> 
>     The problem is that I am very tired almost permanently (sleeping all the time), every action, even intellectual, being an
>     effort. So I have very few hours in the day where my brain is operational.
> 
>     So don't be surprised if it takes me a long time to answer mails...
> 
>     -- 
>     Beno?t Minisini

From bagonergi at gmail.com  Thu Nov 18 18:39:18 2021
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi Gradaschi)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 18:39:18 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
In-Reply-To: <40e0c0d9-eb36-e014-cd96-1219acf90cb4@gmail.com>
References: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
 <Moo-Fj3--3-2@tutanota.com> <40e0c0d9-eb36-e014-cd96-1219acf90cb4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f0a93f3f-8249-d722-fd58-d1613eb20358@gmail.com>

Il 18/11/21 18:14, T Lee Davidson ha scritto:
>> "Auguri di pronta guarigione."
>>
>> vuott
> 
> Agreed.
> "Best wishes for a speedy recovery."
> 
> 
> -- 
> Lee

Also for my part, best wishes for a speedy recovery

Gianluigi

From mnaltrogge at it-mna.de  Thu Nov 18 18:56:10 2021
From: mnaltrogge at it-mna.de (Michael Altrogge)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 18:56:10 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
In-Reply-To: <f0a93f3f-8249-d722-fd58-d1613eb20358@gmail.com>
References: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
 <Moo-Fj3--3-2@tutanota.com> <40e0c0d9-eb36-e014-cd96-1219acf90cb4@gmail.com>
 <f0a93f3f-8249-d722-fd58-d1613eb20358@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b779593-4ae4-3af2-f73f-fb3e192be5be@it-mna.de>

get well soon ... best wishes


PJ


Am 18.11.21 um 18:39 schrieb Gianluigi Gradaschi:
> Il 18/11/21 18:14, T Lee Davidson ha scritto:
>>> "Auguri di pronta guarigione."
>>>
>>> vuott
>>
>> Agreed.
>> "Best wishes for a speedy recovery."
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Lee
>
> Also for my part, best wishes for a speedy recovery
>
> Gianluigi
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

From chabotdaniel at orange.fr  Thu Nov 18 20:25:39 2021
From: chabotdaniel at orange.fr (Chab)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 20:25:39 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
In-Reply-To: <3b779593-4ae4-3af2-f73f-fb3e192be5be@it-mna.de>
References: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
 <Moo-Fj3--3-2@tutanota.com> <40e0c0d9-eb36-e014-cd96-1219acf90cb4@gmail.com>
 <f0a93f3f-8249-d722-fd58-d1613eb20358@gmail.com>
 <3b779593-4ae4-3af2-f73f-fb3e192be5be@it-mna.de>
Message-ID: <00e301d7dcb2$1236f540$36a4dfc0$@fr>

Bon courage, et un prompt r?tablissement.
Amiti?s


From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 18 20:58:47 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 19:58:47 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
In-Reply-To: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
References: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCAZwW=HJzviBXPrxgPvGNuMgv1uswNNduPDZti+u7oB5Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 at 16:52, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm sick since Nov. 9th, maybe the Flu, probably the Covid because I
> completly lost taste and smell.
>
> The problem is that I am very tired almost permanently (sleeping all the
> time), every action, even intellectual, being an effort. So I have very
> few hours in the day where my brain is operational.
>
> So don't be surprised if it takes me a long time to answer mails...
>

Wishing well Ben, sorry you are sick :(
Eat well, rest well, hope your strength returns soon good man.
I can't imagine any bug can last long in a chap like you :)
Time to have a break from gambas and focus on yourself more for a bit.
Wishing a speedy bugfix for you my friend.
All the best
BruceS
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From tercoide at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 18 21:12:11 2021
From: tercoide at hotmail.com (martin cristia)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 17:12:11 -0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1637254982.30136.user@lists.gambas-basic.org>
References: <mailman.1.1637254982.30136.user@lists.gambas-basic.org>
Message-ID: <CH2PR12MB3943757448A3BF4A5FCD0634C89B9@CH2PR12MB3943.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Get well, boss. Forget our silly requests!!! We are too spoiled.

Regards, Martin


From chrisml at deganius.de  Thu Nov 18 22:27:35 2021
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 22:27:35 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
In-Reply-To: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
References: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <04534881-65d4-bd40-675b-b26c34f89cf9@deganius.de>

Dear Beno?t,

Am 18.11.21 um 17:51 schrieb Beno?t Minisini:

> I'm sick since Nov. 9th, maybe the Flu, probably the Covid because I
> completly lost taste and smell.

Gute Besserung! Get well soon! When your body says "sleep" then sleep, 
don't try to work. That's the best you can do. We all send you our best 
wishes and strength!

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

-- 
Dies ist keine Signatur

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From olivier.cruilles at yahoo.fr  Thu Nov 18 22:58:35 2021
From: olivier.cruilles at yahoo.fr (Linus)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 16:58:35 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
In-Reply-To: <40e0c0d9-eb36-e014-cd96-1219acf90cb4@gmail.com>
References: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
 <Moo-Fj3--3-2@tutanota.com> <40e0c0d9-eb36-e014-cd96-1219acf90cb4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <29B84584-4310-42F3-B7DF-F3ADAEC51958@yahoo.fr>

Hi Benoit,

Don?t worry, I hope you don?t mind and that you?ll be back on your feet soon 

Health is the priority, even in this case I love Gambas? stay safe


Olivier Cruilles



> Le 18 nov. 2021 ? 12:14, T Lee Davidson <t.lee.davidson at gmail.com> a ?crit :
> 
> On 11/18/21 12:03 PM, vuott--- via User wrote:
>> "Auguri di pronta guarigione."
>> vuott
> 
> Agreed.
> "Best wishes for a speedy recovery."
> 
> 
> -- 
> Lee
> 
> 
> Ref:
>> 18 nov 2021, 17:51 da g4mba5 at gmail.com:
>>    Hi,
>>    I'm sick since Nov. 9th, maybe the Flu, probably the Covid because I completly lost taste and smell.
>>    The problem is that I am very tired almost permanently (sleeping all the time), every action, even intellectual, being an
>>    effort. So I have very few hours in the day where my brain is operational.
>>    So don't be surprised if it takes me a long time to answer mails...
>>    --     Beno?t Minisini
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

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From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Thu Nov 18 23:31:39 2021
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Mart=c3=adn_Belmonte?=)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 23:31:39 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
In-Reply-To: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
References: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26e47a45-959d-253f-a708-5470a1fd6a7f@belmotek.net>

I hope you get better soon.
Best regards.

Mart?n


El 18/11/21 a las 17:51, Beno?t Minisini escribi?:
> Hi,
>
> I'm sick since Nov. 9th, maybe the Flu, probably the Covid because I 
> completly lost taste and smell.
>
> The problem is that I am very tired almost permanently (sleeping all 
> the time), every action, even intellectual, being an effort. So I have 
> very few hours in the day where my brain is operational.
>
> So don't be surprised if it takes me a long time to answer mails...
>

From olivier.cruilles at yahoo.fr  Fri Nov 19 05:38:12 2021
From: olivier.cruilles at yahoo.fr (Yahoo)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 23:38:12 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] Missing control in WebDemo example from the Farm
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR12MB3943BB0E1A84D769EA335F84C89B9@CH2PR12MB3943.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR12MB3943BB0E1A84D769EA335F84C89B9@CH2PR12MB3943.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <A783A9BB-185E-47CA-8853-660E7834C069@yahoo.fr>

Hello, 

Maybe you are using a version of Gambas stable and the WebTree widget have been added only in the DEV version. sorry for that.

You can just delete it to test the rest of the project

Olivier Cruilles

> Le 18 nov. 2021 ? 18:21, martin p cristia <tercoide at hotmail.com> a ?crit :
> 
> ?Hi, I am trying to test the WebDemo example from the farm and fails due to a missing WebTree control. Using todays Daily build.
> 
> 
> [System]
> 
> Gambas=3.16.90
> OperatingSystem=Linux
> Kernel=5.13.0-21-generic
> Architecture=x86_64
> Distribution=Ubuntu 21.10
> Desktop=UBUNTU
> Font=Ubuntu,11
> Scale=8
> Theme=yaru
> Language=es_AR.UTF-8
> Memory=7858M
> 
> [Libraries]
> Cairo=libcairo.so.2.11600.0
> Curl=libcurl.so.4.7.0
> DBus=libdbus-1.so.3.19.13
> GDK2=libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.33
> GDK3=libgdk-3.so.0.2404.26
> GStreamer=libgstreamer-1.0.so.0.1805.0
> GTK+2=libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.33
> GTK+3=libgtk-3.so.0.2404.26
> OpenGL=libGL.so.1.7.0
> Poppler=libpoppler.so.111.0.0
> Poppler=libpoppler.so.73.0.0
> QT5=libQt5Core.so.5.15.2
> SDL=libSDL-1.2.so.0.11.4
> SQLite=libsqlite3.so.0.8.6
> 
> [Environment]
> DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:path=/run/user/1000/bus
> DEFAULTS_PATH=/usr/share/gconf/ubuntu.default.path
> DESKTOP_SESSION=ubuntu
> DISPLAY=:1
> GB_GUI=gb.gtk3
> GDMSESSION=ubuntu
> GIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE=/usr/share/applications/gambas3.desktop
> GIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE_PID=10269
> GJS_DEBUG_OUTPUT=stderr
> GJS_DEBUG_TOPICS=JS ERROR;JS LOG
> GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID=this-is-deprecated
> GNOME_SHELL_SESSION_MODE=ubuntu
> GPG_AGENT_INFO=/run/user/1000/gnupg/S.gpg-agent:0:1
> GPG_TTY=no es un `tty'
> GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge
> HOME=<home>
> IM_CONFIG_PHASE=1
> INVOCATION_ID=2a7c8aa6913e4f9e8a8ae2c151cd8e8c
> JOURNAL_STREAM=8:40107
> LANG=es_AR.UTF-8
> LANGUAGE=es_AR.UTF-8
> LC_ADDRESS=en_US.UTF-8
> LC_ALL=es_AR.UTF-8
> LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_US.UTF-8
> LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.UTF-8
> LC_MONETARY=en_US.UTF-8
> LC_NAME=en_US.UTF-8
> LC_NUMERIC=en_US.UTF-8
> LC_PAPER=en_US.UTF-8
> LC_TELEPHONE=en_US.UTF-8
> LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8
> LOGNAME=<user>
> MANAGERPID=2200
> MANDATORY_PATH=/usr/share/gconf/ubuntu.mandatory.path
> PAPERSIZE=letter
> PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin:/snap/bin
> PWD=<home>
> QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1
> QT_IM_MODULE=ibus
> QT_LOGGING_RULES=*.debug=false
> QT_QPA_PLATFORM=xcb
> SESSION_MANAGER=local/<hostname>:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/2356,unix/<hostname>:/tmp/.ICE-unix/2356
> SHELL=/bin/bash
> SHLVL=0
> SSH_AGENT_LAUNCHER=gnome-keyring
> SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/run/user/1000/keyring/ssh
> SYSTEMD_EXEC_PID=2375
> TZ=:/etc/localtime
> USER=<user>
> USERNAME=<user>
> WINDOWPATH=2
> XAUTHORITY=/run/user/1000/gdm/Xauthority
> XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntu:/etc/xdg
> XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=ubuntu:GNOME
> XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/ubuntu:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/:/var/lib/snapd/desktop
> XDG_MENU_PREFIX=gnome-
> XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000
> XDG_SESSION_CLASS=user
> XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=ubuntu
> XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11
> XMODIFIERS=@im=ibus
> _=/usr/bin/dbus-update-activation-environment
> 
> -- 
> Saludos
> 
> Ing. Martin P Cristia
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----


From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Fri Nov 19 06:45:40 2021
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (=?UTF-8?B?QnJpYW4gRw==?=)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 08:45:40 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] =?utf-8?q?Reduced_activity?=
In-Reply-To: <26e47a45-959d-253f-a708-5470a1fd6a7f@belmotek.net>
References: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
 <26e47a45-959d-253f-a708-5470a1fd6a7f@belmotek.net>
Message-ID: <1637300740.404111211@f29.my.com>


Get well,!!
--
Thanks
Brian G Thursday, 18 November 2021, 02:32PM -08:00 from Mart?n Belmonte  mbelmonte at belmotek.net :

>I hope you get better soon.
>Best regards.
>
>Mart?n
>
>
>El 18/11/21 a las 17:51, Beno?t Minisini escribi?:
> Hi,
>
> I'm sick since Nov. 9th, maybe the Flu, probably the Covid because I 
> completly lost taste and smell.
>
> The problem is that I am very tired almost permanently (sleeping all 
> the time), every action, even intellectual, being an effort. So I have 
> very few hours in the day where my brain is operational.
>
> So don't be surprised if it takes me a long time to answer mails...
>
>
>----[  http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From tercoide at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 19 12:05:50 2021
From: tercoide at hotmail.com (martin cristia)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 08:05:50 -0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] Missing control in WebDemo example from the Farm
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1637314381.10069.user@lists.gambas-basic.org>
References: <mailman.1.1637314381.10069.user@lists.gambas-basic.org>
Message-ID: <DM6PR12MB3946EA1935C201374309F8A5C89C9@DM6PR12MB3946.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Olivier, thanks for the WebDemo. It worked with the Dev version and 
Ubuntu 20.04.3, but didn't with the Dev and Ubuntu 21.10 (at my office). 
Strange behaviour.

From roberto.premoli at tiscali.it  Fri Nov 19 16:04:22 2021
From: roberto.premoli at tiscali.it (roberto.premoli at tiscali.it)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 16:04:22 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
In-Reply-To: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
References: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9b8442804c3d8c71899b024105637afb@tiscali.it>

  as far as each man is mortal and because gambas is "one man project"
what will happen to gambas in worst case for the "one man"?
i am older
than you and i did already planned a backup about my projects for the
time "after me". Are you planning the same for gambas?
in the meantime,
take care of you.

Il 18.11.2021 17:51 Beno?t Minisini ha scritto: 

>
Hi,
> 
> I'm sick since Nov. 9th, maybe the Flu, probably the Covid
because I 
> completly lost taste and smell.
> 
> The problem is that I
am very tired almost permanently (sleeping all the 
> time), every
action, even intellectual, being an effort. So I have very 
> few hours
in the day where my brain is operational.
> 
> So don't be surprised if
it takes me a long time to answer mails...
> 
> -- Beno?t Minisini ----[
http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette [1] ]----
  


Con Tiscali Mobile Smart 70 hai 70 GB in 4G, minuti illimitati e 100 SMS a soli 7,99? al mese http://tisca.li/Smart70

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From chrisml at deganius.de  Sat Nov 20 13:47:50 2021
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 13:47:50 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
In-Reply-To: <9b8442804c3d8c71899b024105637afb@tiscali.it>
References: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
 <9b8442804c3d8c71899b024105637afb@tiscali.it>
Message-ID: <6e129132-9da9-998c-b931-29eadeceb012@deganius.de>

Hi,

Am 19.11.21 um 16:04 schrieb roberto.premoli at tiscali.it:

> as far as each man is mortal and because gambas is "one man project"
> what will? happen to gambas in worst case for the "one man"?
> i am older than you and i did already planned a backup about my projects
> for the time "after? me". Are you planning the same for gambas?
> in the meantime, take care of you.

I think this is not something we should speak about at the moment. But
as soon as Beno?t is 'on his feet' again we should think about a
organization that can distribute the tasks necessary for the continuity
of Gambas on more shoulders.

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

-- 
[x] nail here for new monitor

From roberto.premoli at tiscali.it  Sat Nov 20 17:20:58 2021
From: roberto.premoli at tiscali.it (roberto.premoli at tiscali.it)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 17:20:58 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
In-Reply-To: <6e129132-9da9-998c-b931-29eadeceb012@deganius.de>
References: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
 <9b8442804c3d8c71899b024105637afb@tiscali.it>
 <6e129132-9da9-998c-b931-29eadeceb012@deganius.de>
Message-ID: <812c005072316d1f1c43633734d43dee@tiscali.it>

Il 20.11.2021 13:47 Christof Thalhofer ha scritto:

> Hi,
>
> Am 19.11.21 um 16:04 schrieb roberto.premoli at tiscali.it [1]:
>
>> as far as each man is mortal and because gambas is "one man project"
>> what will happen to gambas in worst case for the "one man"? i am 
>> older
>> than you and i did already planned a backup about my projects for 
>> the
>> time "after me". Are you planning the same for gambas? in the 
>> meantime,
>> take care of you.
>
> I think this is not something we should speak about at the moment. 
> But
> as soon as Beno?t is 'on his feet' again we should think about a
> organization that can distribute the tasks necessary for the 
> continuity
> of Gambas on more shoulders.
>
> Alles Gute
>
> Christof Thalhofer
>
> -- [x] nail here for new monitor ----[
> http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette [2] ]----


whith main respect to everybody, i have to see that in my life I had my 
"emercency time" and I saw I had not a Plan B to save the situation or 
at least, reduce the damage impact.
So, back when I was in condition, I did some "plans B" to manage future 
bad luck, just in case. So, I hope also for Gambas "plan B" will be 
developed.
all the best.


Con Tiscali Mobile Smart 70 hai 70 GB in 4G, minuti illimitati e 100 
SMS a soli 7,99? al mese http://tisca.li/Smart70



From kicco.gambas at libero.it  Sun Nov 21 15:36:47 2021
From: kicco.gambas at libero.it (kicco.gambas at libero.it)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:36:47 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
In-Reply-To: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
References: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7b549069-4bdc-d226-5a0d-8cab581fefc4@libero.it>


 ??? ??? Courage!!!!!


Carlo
Il 18/11/21 17:51, Beno?t Minisini ha scritto:
> Hi,
>
> I'm sick since Nov. 9th, maybe the Flu, probably the Covid because I 
> completly lost taste and smell.
>
> The problem is that I am very tired almost permanently (sleeping all 
> the time), every action, even intellectual, being an effort. So I have 
> very few hours in the day where my brain is operational.
>
> So don't be surprised if it takes me a long time to answer mails...
>
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 26 05:36:36 2021
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (bb)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2021 15:06:36 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] New colored version display fails with older git
 versions
Message-ID: <9ec508c5f7fe130ee9e168afd0bd98170a581ead.camel@gmail.com>

The IDE CVersionControlGit class uses the following to try and obtain
the currently active branch of the project:
Public Sub GetCurrentBranch() As String
  Return Trim(RunShell("git branch --show-current"))End

Unfortunately, the --show-current option in git-branch is only
available in versions 2.22.0 and later. See 
https://github.com/laurent22/joplin/issues/1695 for a "clue" resolving
this by using "git rev-parse --abbrev-ref HEAD".

Alternately, the following "should be" version independant but
microscopically slower:

  Return Trim(RunShell("git branch | grep \* | cut -d ' ' -f2"))

best regards
bruce
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From ea7dfh at ea7dfh.com  Sun Nov 28 16:07:27 2021
From: ea7dfh at ea7dfh.com (Jesus Guardon)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 16:07:27 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Minimum components for WebForms developing
Message-ID: <3d8f9c30-8de5-dfd7-e361-9662b04bf1a3@ea7dfh.com>

Hi all

I'm digging for the minimum number of components to be installed in a 
headless server to work with WebForms, because I don't need to install 
desktop or GUI tool-kits at all. Only serving webpages using gambas 
programming, mysql, etc.

But the gambas-runtime wants to install x-server, so I'll ask if it's 
strictly necessary.

Anyone did a sort of test doing this? Is it enough to install all the 
components but not the graphic ones?

Is there a way to not install any graphical dependency related to a 
graphical desktop which is not going to be used in any way?

The box is an AWS vps (free for a year from now on), no big resources, 
tho, with Ubuntu server 20.04 using stable PPA, just for fun and 
learning WebForms.

Thanks in advance

Jesus

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 28 17:35:15 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 17:35:15 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Minimum components for WebForms developing
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Le 28/11/2021 ? 16:07, Jesus Guardon a ?crit?:
> Hi all
> 
> I'm digging for the minimum number of components to be installed in a 
> headless server to work with WebForms, because I don't need to install 
> desktop or GUI tool-kits at all. Only serving webpages using gambas 
> programming, mysql, etc.
> 
> But the gambas-runtime wants to install x-server, so I'll ask if it's 
> strictly necessary.

I will talk about ubuntu packages, because it's the sole distribution I 
make packages for.

No, gambas-runtime should no depend on an X11-server, but I see that the 
'gambas-runtime' package depends on the 'xdg-utils' package.

According to synaptic, 'xdg-utils' does not depend on anything, but 
-recommends- some x11 packages.

Could it be the reason why installing 'gambas-runtime' installs 
'x11-server'? Or maybe you are not on Ubuntu, you didn't tell...

> 
> Anyone did a sort of test doing this? Is it enough to install all the 
> components but not the graphic ones?
> 
> Is there a way to not install any graphical dependency related to a 
> graphical desktop which is not going to be used in any way?
> 
> The box is an AWS vps (free for a year from now on), no big resources, 
> tho, with Ubuntu server 20.04 using stable PPA, just for fun and 
> learning WebForms.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Jesus
> 

As a workaround, you can compile and install gambas from sources: the 
gambas source configuration process will detect the development packages 
installed on your system, and will tell you which gambas components will 
not be compiled because of missing dependencies.

That way, you can install -exactly- what you want. This is how I proceed 
to install headless virtual servers with Gambas at my job.

But, of course, it's better to search which dependency uselessly 
triggers the installation of an x11, and see if we can fix the package.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From bagonergi at gmail.com  Sun Nov 28 18:30:40 2021
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 18:30:40 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
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Il 18/11/21 17:51, Beno?t Minisini ha scritto:

Hi,

I'm sick since Nov. 9th, maybe the Flu, probably the Covid because I
completly lost taste and smell.

The problem is that I am very tired almost permanently (sleeping all the
time), every action, even intellectual, being an effort. So I have very few
hours in the day where my brain is operational.

So don't be surprised if it takes me a long time to answer mails...


Hi Benoit,

you answered Jesus,
does this mean that you are better?

If so, I'm very happy :-D

Regards
Gianluigi
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From ea7dfh at ea7dfh.com  Sun Nov 28 18:34:36 2021
From: ea7dfh at ea7dfh.com (Jesus Guardon)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 18:34:36 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Minimum components for WebForms developing
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Hi, Beno?t

Glad of hearing from you. Hope you are well and eventually healed.


El 28/11/21 a las 17:35, Beno?t Minisini escribi?:

>> But the gambas-runtime wants to install x-server
> 
> No, gambas-runtime should no depend on an X11-server, but I see that the 
> 'gambas-runtime' package depends on the 'xdg-utils' package. >
> According to synaptic, 'xdg-utils' does not depend on anything, but 
> -recommends- some x11 packages.
> 
> Could it be the reason why installing 'gambas-runtime' installs 
> 'x11-server'? Or maybe you are not on Ubuntu, you didn't tell...
> 

Yes, it's Ubuntu 20.4 and Gambas stable from PPA.

Attached is a *simulation* of installing gambas3-runtime.

It does install x11-common x11-utils x11-xserver-utils amongst a lot of 
other stuff. If I understand correctly, x11-common description is:

Description: X Window System (X.Org) infrastructure

So it seems I'm correct. This is not the "recommended" packages, but 
"additional" packages that will be forcibly installed.

> 
> As a workaround, you can compile and install gambas from sources: the 
> gambas source configuration process will detect the development packages 
> installed on your system, and will tell you which gambas components will 
> not be compiled because of missing dependencies.

That's something I will try only if there's no other way, but what if 
gambas3-runtime doesn't compile without x11 libraries that again depends 
on x11 infrastructure?

> 
> That way, you can install -exactly- what you want. This is how I proceed 
> to install headless virtual servers with Gambas at my job.

Oh, well. Then I was wrong in my previous paragraph. Then, I will try this.

> 
> But, of course, it's better to search which dependency uselessly 
> triggers the installation of an x11, and see if we can fix the package.

This seems to be the first one.

Thanks and wishing well, Beno?t

Regards

Jesus
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root at xxxxxx:/home/ubuntu# apt install -s gambas3-runtime

Reading package lists...
Building dependency tree...
Reading state information...
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 28 19:49:16 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 19:49:16 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2rqFaUK9KvMusdNOCogWDvG8cbuXBSZ_7f5GrP_0=inPZqvA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
 <7b549069-4bdc-d226-5a0d-8cab581fefc4@libero.it>
 <CAJ2rqFaUK9KvMusdNOCogWDvG8cbuXBSZ_7f5GrP_0=inPZqvA@mail.gmail.com>
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Le 28/11/2021 ? 18:30, Gianluigi a ?crit?:
> Il 18/11/21 17:51, Beno?t Minisini ha scritto:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm sick since Nov. 9th, maybe the Flu, probably the Covid because I 
>> completly lost taste and smell.
>>
>> The problem is that I am very tired almost permanently (sleeping all 
>> the time), every action, even intellectual, being an effort. So I have 
>> very few hours in the day where my brain is operational.
>>
>> So don't be surprised if it takes me a long time to answer mails... 
> 
> Hi Benoit,
> 
> you answered Jesus,
> does this mean that you are better?
> 
> If so, I'm very happy :-D
> 
> Regards
> Gianluigi
> 

Yes, I'm starting to recover. It's just slow, so I try to be careful and 
save my energy.

I think it was the covid, because I met two other people as old as me 
who had the same symptoms a few week before me (a week of fever followed 
by a week of terrible fatigue), and they get tested covid positive.

But it's not 100% sure, because the symptom of a bad flu are actually 
the same. And because a positive test does not imply that you have the 
covid (their daughter was positive too, but had nothing).

I'm just sad of now living in a country where effective drugs are 
specifically forbidden; Old people are terrorized 24 hours a day by the 
TV telling falsified statistics to let people think the epidemic is 
still there, fake news and corrupted doctors telling rubbish after 
rubbish; The real doctors lose their licence if they just try to treat 
people, or if they refuse experimental injections (the official name is 
"vaccine", the real name should be "Russian roulette"); They fired 
thousands of hospital employees that refuse these injections too, and we 
had yesterday the first people who died because the hospital had noone 
to take care of him. And so on and so on...

In French, we have an expression: "fuite en avant" ("rush forward"?), to 
describe what our incompetent (at best) governments are doing.

It never ends well.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 28 19:51:45 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 19:51:45 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Minimum components for WebForms developing
In-Reply-To: <a63c0090-47d3-561c-2be7-fa0f08ecab8a@ea7dfh.com>
References: <3d8f9c30-8de5-dfd7-e361-9662b04bf1a3@ea7dfh.com>
 <e19fbb94-f18b-a24d-8d69-e65fefdaf841@gmail.com>
 <a63c0090-47d3-561c-2be7-fa0f08ecab8a@ea7dfh.com>
Message-ID: <3fba8f4d-105a-26cd-8124-5ee1712f99ce@gmail.com>

Le 28/11/2021 ? 18:34, Jesus Guardon a ?crit?:
> Hi, Beno?t
> 
> Glad of hearing from you. Hope you are well and eventually healed.
> 
> 
> El 28/11/21 a las 17:35, Beno?t Minisini escribi?:
> 
>>> But the gambas-runtime wants to install x-server
>>
>> No, gambas-runtime should no depend on an X11-server, but I see that 
>> the 'gambas-runtime' package depends on the 'xdg-utils' package. >
>> According to synaptic, 'xdg-utils' does not depend on anything, but 
>> -recommends- some x11 packages.
>>
>> Could it be the reason why installing 'gambas-runtime' installs 
>> 'x11-server'? Or maybe you are not on Ubuntu, you didn't tell...
>>
> 
> Yes, it's Ubuntu 20.4 and Gambas stable from PPA.
> 
> Attached is a *simulation* of installing gambas3-runtime.
> 
> It does install x11-common x11-utils x11-xserver-utils amongst a lot of 
> other stuff. If I understand correctly, x11-common description is:
> 
> Description: X Window System (X.Org) infrastructure
> 
> So it seems I'm correct. This is not the "recommended" packages, but 
> "additional" packages that will be forcibly installed.
> 

I have no idea why it installs these packages that are just 
"recommandations", but not "dependencies"... I will think about removing 
'xdg-utils' from the 'gambas-runtime' dependencies, but It will mean 
creating a new package just for that stuff. Pfff....

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 28 20:14:27 2021
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (bb)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 05:44:27 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Minimum components for WebForms developing
In-Reply-To: <3fba8f4d-105a-26cd-8124-5ee1712f99ce@gmail.com>
References: <3d8f9c30-8de5-dfd7-e361-9662b04bf1a3@ea7dfh.com>
 <e19fbb94-f18b-a24d-8d69-e65fefdaf841@gmail.com>
 <a63c0090-47d3-561c-2be7-fa0f08ecab8a@ea7dfh.com>
 <3fba8f4d-105a-26cd-8124-5ee1712f99ce@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d6ca6a737082ff19b6db067045f29f47ef59c95e.camel@gmail.com>

On Sun, 2021-11-28 at 19:51 +0100, Beno?t Minisini wrote:
> Le 28/11/2021 ? 18:34, Jesus Guardon a ?crit :
> > Hi, Beno?t
> > 
> > Glad of hearing from you. Hope you are well and eventually healed.
> > 
> > 
> > El 28/11/21 a las 17:35, Beno?t Minisini escribi?:
> > 
> > > > But the gambas-runtime wants to install x-server
> > > 
> > > No, gambas-runtime should no depend on an X11-server, but I see
> > > that 
> > > the 'gambas-runtime' package depends on the 'xdg-utils' package.
> > > >
> > > According to synaptic, 'xdg-utils' does not depend on anything,
> > > but 
> > > -recommends- some x11 packages.
> > > 
> > > Could it be the reason why installing 'gambas-runtime' installs 
> > > 'x11-server'? Or maybe you are not on Ubuntu, you didn't tell...
> > > 
> > 
> > Yes, it's Ubuntu 20.4 and Gambas stable from PPA.
> > 
> > Attached is a *simulation* of installing gambas3-runtime.
> > 
> > It does install x11-common x11-utils x11-xserver-utils amongst a
> > lot of 
> > other stuff. If I understand correctly, x11-common description is:
> > 
> > Description: X Window System (X.Org) infrastructure
> > 
> > So it seems I'm correct. This is not the "recommended" packages,
> > but 
> > "additional" packages that will be forcibly installed.
> > 
> 
> I have no idea why it installs these packages that are just 
> "recommandations", but not "dependencies"... I will think about
> removing 
> 'xdg-utils' from the 'gambas-runtime' dependencies, but It will mean 
> creating a new package just for that stuff. Pfff....
> 
Don't know if this helps, but I have noticed that certain distros have
tampered with the package installers so that "recommended" are
automatically treated as required dependencies. I found this out this
year cruising through distros to find a new one for our server. I
cannot recall which ones did this, nor why. Another case of "if its not
broken then fiddle with it".

Maybe there is a tweak somewhere for the OP's package installer that
can make it not do such silly things?

b


From Karl.Reinl at Fen-Net.de  Sun Nov 28 20:55:08 2021
From: Karl.Reinl at Fen-Net.de (Charlie Reinl)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 20:55:08 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
In-Reply-To: <bbc2d1b3-65cc-874b-4707-baa3178e11bb@gmail.com>
References: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
 <7b549069-4bdc-d226-5a0d-8cab581fefc4@libero.it>
 <CAJ2rqFaUK9KvMusdNOCogWDvG8cbuXBSZ_7f5GrP_0=inPZqvA@mail.gmail.com>
 <bbc2d1b3-65cc-874b-4707-baa3178e11bb@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7bc3ec558ab5e3782e213df02e87ab60ee1dce2e.camel@Fen-Net.de>

Am Sonntag, dem 28.11.2021 um 19:49 +0100 schrieb Beno?t Minisini:
> Le 28/11/2021 ? 18:30, Gianluigi a ?crit :
> > Il 18/11/21 17:51, Beno?t Minisini ha scritto:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I'm sick since Nov. 9th, maybe the Flu, probably the Covid
> > > because I 
> > > completly lost taste and smell.
> > > 
> > > The problem is that I am very tired almost permanently (sleeping
> > > all 
> > > the time), every action, even intellectual, being an effort. So I
> > > have 
> > > very few hours in the day where my brain is operational.
> > > 
> > > So don't be surprised if it takes me a long time to answer
> > > mails... 
> > 
> > Hi Benoit,
> > 
> > you answered Jesus,
> > does this mean that you are better?
> > 
> > If so, I'm very happy :-D
> > 
> > Regards
> > Gianluigi
> > 
> 
> Yes, I'm starting to recover. It's just slow, so I try to be careful
> and 
> save my energy.
> 
> I think it was the covid, because I met two other people as old as
> me 
> who had the same symptoms a few week before me (a week of fever
> followed 
> by a week of terrible fatigue), and they get tested covid positive.
> 
> But it's not 100% sure, because the symptom of a bad flu are
> actually 
> the same. And because a positive test does not imply that you have
> the 
> covid (their daughter was positive too, but had nothing).
> 
> I'm just sad of now living in a country where effective drugs are 
> specifically forbidden; Old people are terrorized 24 hours a day by
> the 
> TV telling falsified statistics to let people think the epidemic is 
> still there, fake news and corrupted doctors telling rubbish after 
> rubbish; The real doctors lose their licence if they just try to
> treat 
> people, or if they refuse experimental injections (the official name
> is 
> "vaccine", the real name should be "Russian roulette"); They fired 
> thousands of hospital employees that refuse these injections too, and
> we 
> had yesterday the first people who died because the hospital had
> noone 
> to take care of him. And so on and so on...
> 
> In French, we have an expression: "fuite en avant" ("rush forward"?),
> to 
> describe what our incompetent (at best) governments are doing.
> 
> It never ends well.
> 
Ouups : Et la lune est un fromage vert


From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Sun Nov 28 20:22:36 2021
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 21:22:36 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
In-Reply-To: <bbc2d1b3-65cc-874b-4707-baa3178e11bb@gmail.com>
References: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
 <7b549069-4bdc-d226-5a0d-8cab581fefc4@libero.it>
 <CAJ2rqFaUK9KvMusdNOCogWDvG8cbuXBSZ_7f5GrP_0=inPZqvA@mail.gmail.com>
 <bbc2d1b3-65cc-874b-4707-baa3178e11bb@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFJMe7SvqJMLoksYvTYbq7-p3cg+MSiN=MkGejnT3erC-pHp3A@mail.gmail.com>

>
> And because a positive test does not imply that you have the
> covid (their daughter was positive too, but had nothing).
>

Positive test certainly means you have the virus, but it doesn't mean it
necessarily makes you ill. IE asymptomatic carrier.



> I'm just sad of now living in a country where effective drugs are
> specifically forbidden;


Like what?



> Old people are terrorized 24 hours a day by the  TV telling falsified
> statistics to let people think the epidemic is
> still there,


If so, then where are the real statistics? Why are they available to you,
but not to the general public? And where is the evidence of the
falsification?



> ... experimental injections (the official name is "vaccine", the real name
> should be "Russian roulette")


What is this "experimental injection"? The mRNA vaccine tech is over two
decades old and it has been given so far to over 3 billion people without
problems.
Taking the virus is Russian roulette if anything.


... first people who died because the hospital had noone to take care of
> him.
>

Maybe there would be enough people in the hospital if people would take the
vaccines. There aren't many fully vaccinated patients in the hospitals.


Jussi
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 28 21:23:18 2021
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (bb)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 06:53:18 +1030
Subject: [Gambas-user] Minimum components for WebForms developing
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 <e19fbb94-f18b-a24d-8d69-e65fefdaf841@gmail.com>
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On Mon, 2021-11-29 at 05:44 +1030, bb wrote:
> On Sun, 2021-11-28 at 19:51 +0100, Beno?t Minisini wrote:
> > Le 28/11/2021 ? 18:34, Jesus Guardon a ?crit :
> > > Hi, Beno?t
> > > 
> > > Glad of hearing from you. Hope you are well and eventually
> > > healed.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > El 28/11/21 a las 17:35, Beno?t Minisini escribi?:
> > > 
> > > > > But the gambas-runtime wants to install x-server
> > > > 
> > > > No, gambas-runtime should no depend on an X11-server, but I see
> > > > that 
> > > > the 'gambas-runtime' package depends on the 'xdg-utils'
> > > > package.
> > > > According to synaptic, 'xdg-utils' does not depend on anything,
> > > > but 
> > > > -recommends- some x11 packages.
> > > > 
> > > > Could it be the reason why installing 'gambas-runtime'
> > > > installs 
> > > > 'x11-server'? Or maybe you are not on Ubuntu, you didn't
> > > > tell...
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Yes, it's Ubuntu 20.4 and Gambas stable from PPA.
> > > 
> > > Attached is a *simulation* of installing gambas3-runtime.
> > > 
> > > It does install x11-common x11-utils x11-xserver-utils amongst a
> > > lot of 
> > > other stuff. If I understand correctly, x11-common description
> > > is:
> > > 
> > > Description: X Window System (X.Org) infrastructure
> > > 
> > > So it seems I'm correct. This is not the "recommended" packages,
> > > but 
> > > "additional" packages that will be forcibly installed.
> > > 
> > 
> > I have no idea why it installs these packages that are just 
> > "recommandations", but not "dependencies"... I will think about
> > removing 
> > 'xdg-utils' from the 'gambas-runtime' dependencies, but It will
> > mean 
> > creating a new package just for that stuff. Pfff....
> > 
> Don't know if this helps, but I have noticed that certain distros
> have
> tampered with the package installers so that "recommended" are
> automatically treated as required dependencies. I found this out this
> year cruising through distros to find a new one for our server. I
> cannot recall which ones did this, nor why. Another case of "if its
> not
> broken then fiddle with it".
> 
> Maybe there is a tweak somewhere for the OP's package installer that
> can make it not do such silly things?
> 
> b

a) I had bit of a paddle through the interwebs and found this [1] very
old thread on AskUbuntu. It may no longer be true, but the author of
the top answer stated "Recommends are installed by default (since
Lucid)." and "To negate this for a specific package, use apt-get --no-
install-recommends install pkg".

b) I had a look at the /etc/apt/apt.conf on my system and found it
contains the following:
	// Recommends are as of now still abused in many packages
	APT::Install-Recommends "0";
	APT::Install-Suggests "0";
Maybe Jesus could take a look at that file on his system?

b
[1] 
https://askubuntu.com/questions/18545/installing-suggested-recommended-packages


From ea7dfh at ea7dfh.com  Sun Nov 28 22:13:20 2021
From: ea7dfh at ea7dfh.com (Jesus Guardon)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 22:13:20 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Minimum components for WebForms developing
In-Reply-To: <6a56d4e727902fe23509c6eee97f8660675e1322.camel@gmail.com>
References: <3d8f9c30-8de5-dfd7-e361-9662b04bf1a3@ea7dfh.com>
 <e19fbb94-f18b-a24d-8d69-e65fefdaf841@gmail.com>
 <a63c0090-47d3-561c-2be7-fa0f08ecab8a@ea7dfh.com>
 <3fba8f4d-105a-26cd-8124-5ee1712f99ce@gmail.com>
 <d6ca6a737082ff19b6db067045f29f47ef59c95e.camel@gmail.com>
 <6a56d4e727902fe23509c6eee97f8660675e1322.camel@gmail.com>
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El 28/11/21 a las 21:23, bb escribi?:

> b) I had a look at the /etc/apt/apt.conf on my system and found it
> contains the following:
> 	// Recommends are as of now still abused in many packages
> 	APT::Install-Recommends "0";
> 	APT::Install-Suggests "0";
> Maybe Jesus could take a look at that file on his system?
> 
> b
> [1]
> https://askubuntu.com/questions/18545/installing-suggested-recommended-packages


That file does't exist in my system, but a bunch of config files under 
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d  directory.

None has those two lines inside, but I guess I could write it somewhere 
in a file, as many of them seems to have the same syntax and see what 
happens.

But the problem isn't about the Recommends or Suggested in this case, if 
you look at the attached file in my first comment, these unwanted 
dependencies also appear in "The following NEW packages will be 
installed" section.

I don't know where all this came from, but probably the Recommended 
section which I can't see in the attached file is because as you said, 
the system put together with the really needed packages.

I will do some tinkering with the apt config files and will report here 
again.

Thanks for the insight.

Regards,

Jesus

From chrisml at deganius.de  Sun Nov 28 23:30:24 2021
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 23:30:24 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
In-Reply-To: <7bc3ec558ab5e3782e213df02e87ab60ee1dce2e.camel@Fen-Net.de>
References: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
 <7b549069-4bdc-d226-5a0d-8cab581fefc4@libero.it>
 <CAJ2rqFaUK9KvMusdNOCogWDvG8cbuXBSZ_7f5GrP_0=inPZqvA@mail.gmail.com>
 <bbc2d1b3-65cc-874b-4707-baa3178e11bb@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <e1a526eb-ab0d-9199-7187-c0bccd8191d9@deganius.de>

Am 28.11.21 um 20:55 schrieb Charlie Reinl:

> Ouups : Et la lune est un fromage vert

:-) Let us be glad that our BDFL seems to be on his feet again. Hello 
Beno?t! Welcome back!

:-)

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

-- 
Dies ist keine Signatur

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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Sun Nov 28 23:26:24 2021
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 23:26:24 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
In-Reply-To: <bbc2d1b3-65cc-874b-4707-baa3178e11bb@gmail.com>
References: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
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Il giorno dom 28 nov 2021 alle ore 19:50 Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com>
ha scritto:

> Le 28/11/2021 ? 18:30, Gianluigi a ?crit :
> > Il 18/11/21 17:51, Beno?t Minisini ha scritto:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I'm sick since Nov. 9th, maybe the Flu, probably the Covid because I
> >> completly lost taste and smell.
> >>
> >> The problem is that I am very tired almost permanently (sleeping all
> >> the time), every action, even intellectual, being an effort. So I have
> >> very few hours in the day where my brain is operational.
> >>
> >> So don't be surprised if it takes me a long time to answer mails...
> >
> > Hi Benoit,
> >
> > you answered Jesus,
> > does this mean that you are better?
> >
> > If so, I'm very happy :-D
> >
> > Regards
> > Gianluigi
> >
>
> Yes, I'm starting to recover. It's just slow, so I try to be careful and
> save my energy.
>
> I think it was the covid, because I met two other people as old as me
> who had the same symptoms a few week before me (a week of fever followed
> by a week of terrible fatigue), and they get tested covid positive.
>
> But it's not 100% sure, because the symptom of a bad flu are actually
> the same. And because a positive test does not imply that you have the
> covid (their daughter was positive too, but had nothing).
>
> I'm just sad of now living in a country where effective drugs are
> specifically forbidden; Old people are terrorized 24 hours a day by the
> TV telling falsified statistics to let people think the epidemic is
> still there, fake news and corrupted doctors telling rubbish after
> rubbish; The real doctors lose their licence if they just try to treat
> people, or if they refuse experimental injections (the official name is
> "vaccine", the real name should be "Russian roulette"); They fired
> thousands of hospital employees that refuse these injections too, and we
> had yesterday the first people who died because the hospital had noone
> to take care of him. And so on and so on...
>
> In French, we have an expression: "fuite en avant" ("rush forward"?), to
> describe what our incompetent (at best) governments are doing.
>
> It never ends well.
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>

Hi Benoit,

today you confirm what the cartoon of the month of jul 14 implied, you are
a No Vax.
It is evident that when you 'marry a cause' (you also demonstrate it with
Gambas) you go to the heart of things.
I respect you, but I ask you: do you really want to put your health at risk
for such an unscientific belief?
You caught the virus, is this not enough proof to dispel the doubt of the
conspiracy?
Aren't you afraid of putting the health of those who love you and are close
to you at risk?

I am not afraid of dying, I am old enough to know that death will come soon
enough (9-10 years if I respect the statistics :-)) and yet I am
vaccinated, twice.
I did it with the AstraZeneca vaccine that everyone here was afraid of, you
may not believe me but I did it mainly for a civic duty.

It may be due to the fact that I inquired about the contraindications of
that specific vaccine and I realized that it was less dangerous than the
analgesic (anti-inflammatory) that I usually take for my frequent headaches.

This is what I feel like telling you as well as a big good luck.

Gianluigi
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From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Sun Nov 28 23:43:13 2021
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Mart=c3=adn_Belmonte?=)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 23:43:13 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Minimum components for WebForms developing
In-Reply-To: <e19fbb94-f18b-a24d-8d69-e65fefdaf841@gmail.com>
References: <3d8f9c30-8de5-dfd7-e361-9662b04bf1a3@ea7dfh.com>
 <e19fbb94-f18b-a24d-8d69-e65fefdaf841@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b3dfdb8f-d15b-370b-a8b1-ecbc79858537@belmotek.net>

Hi,

Some documentation is needed on what procedure to follow to compile and 
install the minimum necessary of gambas on a server without graphical 
environment, for example Debian 10 (Buster) or Debian 11 (Bullseye), to 
run a gambas3 executable with the web application.
In the wiki it says how to install on Debian Old Stable and Debian 
Stable but that is a bit confusing and not clear at all.

Note: it would be clearer to indicate in the wiki the name of the debian 
version and also just put "stable" or "old stable" because if the wiki 
was updated before August 14, 2021 date in which the version became 
stable, the wiki would be incorrect, but as it doesn't say the date of 
update (of the wiki) we don't know.

I offer to test on a debian 11 or 10 server if you help me with the 
"recipe" to follow.

Best regards.

Mart?n.

El 28/11/21 a las 17:35, Beno?t Minisini escribi?:

> As a workaround, you can compile and install gambas from sources: the 
> gambas source configuration process will detect the development 
> packages installed on your system, and will tell you which gambas 
> components will not be compiled because of missing dependencies.
>
> That way, you can install -exactly- what you want. This is how I 
> proceed to install headless virtual servers with Gambas at my job.

From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 02:00:14 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 01:00:14 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
In-Reply-To: <bbc2d1b3-65cc-874b-4707-baa3178e11bb@gmail.com>
References: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
 <7b549069-4bdc-d226-5a0d-8cab581fefc4@libero.it>
 <CAJ2rqFaUK9KvMusdNOCogWDvG8cbuXBSZ_7f5GrP_0=inPZqvA@mail.gmail.com>
 <bbc2d1b3-65cc-874b-4707-baa3178e11bb@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCC0=fYvk9zJ1Pzy1Z8__i_O99Ba0rWZ01u_WRksaDrE=w@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 28 Nov 2021 at 18:50, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Le 28/11/2021 ? 18:30, Gianluigi a ?crit :
> > Il 18/11/21 17:51, Beno?t Minisini ha scritto:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I'm sick since Nov. 9th, maybe the Flu, probably the Covid because I
> >> completly lost taste and smell.
> >>
> >> The problem is that I am very tired almost permanently (sleeping all
> >> the time), every action, even intellectual, being an effort. So I have
> >> very few hours in the day where my brain is operational.
> >>
> >> So don't be surprised if it takes me a long time to answer mails...
> >
> > Hi Benoit,
> >
> > you answered Jesus,
> > does this mean that you are better?
> >
> > If so, I'm very happy :-D
> >
> > Regards
> > Gianluigi
> >
>
> Yes, I'm starting to recover. It's just slow, so I try to be careful and
> save my energy.
>
> I think it was the covid, because I met two other people as old as me
> who had the same symptoms a few week before me (a week of fever followed
> by a week of terrible fatigue), and they get tested covid positive.
>
> But it's not 100% sure, because the symptom of a bad flu are actually
> the same. And because a positive test does not imply that you have the
> covid (their daughter was positive too, but had nothing).
>
> I'm just sad of now living in a country where effective drugs are
> specifically forbidden; Old people are terrorized 24 hours a day by the
> TV telling falsified statistics to let people think the epidemic is
> still there, fake news and corrupted doctors telling rubbish after
> rubbish; The real doctors lose their licence if they just try to treat
> people, or if they refuse experimental injections (the official name is
> "vaccine", the real name should be "Russian roulette"); They fired
> thousands of hospital employees that refuse these injections too, and we
> had yesterday the first people who died because the hospital had noone
> to take care of him. And so on and so on...
>
> In French, we have an expression: "fuite en avant" ("rush forward"?), to
> describe what our incompetent (at best) governments are doing.
>
> It never ends well.
>

God bless ya Ben
Well wishes to all who believe in good things for good things.
Here's to thinks getting better after getting bugs. Me, you, people,
governments, etc, etc
Cest la vie
BruceS
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From dosida at gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 04:10:15 2021
From: dosida at gmail.com (Dimitris Anogiatis)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 20:10:15 -0700
Subject: [Gambas-user] Minimum components for WebForms developing
In-Reply-To: <b3dfdb8f-d15b-370b-a8b1-ecbc79858537@belmotek.net>
References: <3d8f9c30-8de5-dfd7-e361-9662b04bf1a3@ea7dfh.com>
 <e19fbb94-f18b-a24d-8d69-e65fefdaf841@gmail.com>
 <b3dfdb8f-d15b-370b-a8b1-ecbc79858537@belmotek.net>
Message-ID: <CACMvmEAYuB5zm5Wfzxs_5yJLetsw-Dkj_ik2fG+xnMbnhBSmMw@mail.gmail.com>

With Debian 10 and 11 you can always go with:


*sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install gambas3-runtime*
which will only install the dependencies and not the recommended packages.

If you still get xorg installed it's probably because it's a dependency of
another package that gets installed as a dependency of gambas3-runtime.
In that case you might have to go hunt for each relevant package dependency
until you can figure out which one wants to grab xorg and then...  install
that one with the --no-install-recommends parameter then install
gambas3-runtime. I know it's not a straightforward workaround but it's an
option.

Hope this helps

Regards,
Dimitris

On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 3:44 PM Mart?n Belmonte <mbelmonte at belmotek.net>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Some documentation is needed on what procedure to follow to compile and
> install the minimum necessary of gambas on a server without graphical
> environment, for example Debian 10 (Buster) or Debian 11 (Bullseye), to
> run a gambas3 executable with the web application.
> In the wiki it says how to install on Debian Old Stable and Debian
> Stable but that is a bit confusing and not clear at all.
>
> Note: it would be clearer to indicate in the wiki the name of the debian
> version and also just put "stable" or "old stable" because if the wiki
> was updated before August 14, 2021 date in which the version became
> stable, the wiki would be incorrect, but as it doesn't say the date of
> update (of the wiki) we don't know.
>
> I offer to test on a debian 11 or 10 server if you help me with the
> "recipe" to follow.
>
> Best regards.
>
> Mart?n.
>
> El 28/11/21 a las 17:35, Beno?t Minisini escribi?:
>
> > As a workaround, you can compile and install gambas from sources: the
> > gambas source configuration process will detect the development
> > packages installed on your system, and will tell you which gambas
> > components will not be compiled because of missing dependencies.
> >
> > That way, you can install -exactly- what you want. This is how I
> > proceed to install headless virtual servers with Gambas at my job.
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Mon Nov 29 09:37:34 2021
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Mart=c3=adn_Belmonte?=)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 09:37:34 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Minimum components for WebForms developing
In-Reply-To: <CACMvmEAYuB5zm5Wfzxs_5yJLetsw-Dkj_ik2fG+xnMbnhBSmMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d8f9c30-8de5-dfd7-e361-9662b04bf1a3@ea7dfh.com>
 <e19fbb94-f18b-a24d-8d69-e65fefdaf841@gmail.com>
 <b3dfdb8f-d15b-370b-a8b1-ecbc79858537@belmotek.net>
 <CACMvmEAYuB5zm5Wfzxs_5yJLetsw-Dkj_ik2fG+xnMbnhBSmMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <031ecc6a-da72-da86-4fe5-3c94062a8fc8@belmotek.net>

Thanks Dimitris, but in case of debian 10 (maybe 11 to) the packages in 
repo don?t support the last changes and improvements that apply to the 
"webc-ontrols" so for that I ask about some method to compile and 
install from sources in gitlab. However, I take note of your suggestion 
because it might work in a couple of months when the debian repo 
includes the changes.

Mart?n.

El 29/11/21 a las 4:10, Dimitris Anogiatis escribi?:
> *sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install gambas3-runtime
> *
> ...? install that one with the --no-install-recommends parameter then 
> install gambas3-runtime. I know it's not a straightforward workaround 
> but it's an option.
>
> Hope this helps
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From ea7dfh at ea7dfh.com  Mon Nov 29 09:59:28 2021
From: ea7dfh at ea7dfh.com (Jesus Guardon)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 09:59:28 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Minimum components for WebForms developing
In-Reply-To: <CACMvmEAYuB5zm5Wfzxs_5yJLetsw-Dkj_ik2fG+xnMbnhBSmMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d8f9c30-8de5-dfd7-e361-9662b04bf1a3@ea7dfh.com>
 <e19fbb94-f18b-a24d-8d69-e65fefdaf841@gmail.com>
 <b3dfdb8f-d15b-370b-a8b1-ecbc79858537@belmotek.net>
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Message-ID: <0462f857-d641-4620-0433-97f806bd8249@ea7dfh.com>

El 29/11/21 a las 04:10, Dimitris Anogiatis escribi?:
> With Debian 10 and 11 you can always go with:
> 
> 
> *sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install gambas3-runtime*
> which will only install the dependencies and not the recommended packages.

That did the trick in Ubuntu 20.04!!

Still I have to test with other components, but it's a good start.

Thank you very much, Dimitris.


Regards,

Jesus

From dosida at gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 11:15:57 2021
From: dosida at gmail.com (Dimitris Anogiatis)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 03:15:57 -0700
Subject: [Gambas-user] Minimum components for WebForms developing
In-Reply-To: <0462f857-d641-4620-0433-97f806bd8249@ea7dfh.com>
References: <3d8f9c30-8de5-dfd7-e361-9662b04bf1a3@ea7dfh.com>
 <e19fbb94-f18b-a24d-8d69-e65fefdaf841@gmail.com>
 <b3dfdb8f-d15b-370b-a8b1-ecbc79858537@belmotek.net>
 <CACMvmEAYuB5zm5Wfzxs_5yJLetsw-Dkj_ik2fG+xnMbnhBSmMw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CACMvmECP7=mA0TdEdsVuSpyvYd9sh6J7DiecxKUPKUOuVEDLFQ@mail.gmail.com>

Glad I could help Jesus :)

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 2:00 AM Jesus Guardon <ea7dfh at ea7dfh.com> wrote:

> El 29/11/21 a las 04:10, Dimitris Anogiatis escribi?:
> > With Debian 10 and 11 you can always go with:
> >
> >
> > *sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install gambas3-runtime*
> > which will only install the dependencies and not the recommended
> packages.
>
> That did the trick in Ubuntu 20.04!!
>
> Still I have to test with other components, but it's a good start.
>
> Thank you very much, Dimitris.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Jesus
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From claus.dietrich at freenet.de  Mon Nov 29 12:49:45 2021
From: claus.dietrich at freenet.de (Claus Dietrich)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 12:49:45 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
In-Reply-To: <6ffc617b-c866-1dcb-0977-67091a9fae44@t-online.de>
References: <6ffc617b-c866-1dcb-0977-67091a9fae44@t-online.de>
Message-ID: <33346106-ccf7-c775-93fc-e1916c155cd8@freenet.de>

>Hi Benoit,
>
>today you confirm what the cartoon of the month of jul 14 implied, you are
>a No Vax.
>It is evident that when you 'marry a cause' (you also demonstrate it with
>Gambas) you go to the heart of things.
<I respect you, but I ask you: do you really want to put your health at risk
>for such an unscientific belief?
>You caught the virus, is this not enough proof to dispel the doubt of the
>conspiracy?
>Aren't you afraid of putting the health of those who love you and are close
>to you at risk?
>
>I am not afraid of dying, I am old enough to know that death will come soon
>enough (9-10 years if I respect the statistics :-)) and yet I am
>vaccinated, twice.
>I did it with the AstraZeneca vaccine that everyone here was afraid of, you
>may not believe me but I did it mainly for a civic duty.
>
>It may be due to the fact that I inquired about the contraindications of
>that specific vaccine and I realized that it was less dangerous than the
>analgesic (anti-inflammatory) that I usually take for my frequent
headaches.
>
>This is what I feel like telling you as well as a big good luck.
>

>Gianluigi


Hi Benoit

I fully agree with Gianluigi. I may be wrong, but believe,that
your attitude is rather regretted than shared in this forum.
This may apply as well to your making fun of the greenhouse gas
CO2 on Gitlab, which is disappointing and stressing me since
some time.

However, Gambas as your glorious idea and baby is something
we all love and in order to protect our common hobby I
suggest not to trigger or join missionary and unscientific black/
white-debats any longer, which I perceive as inappropriate
and disturbing within our Gambas community.

As much as I needed to say this, be assured of my respect
and I very much hope, that you fully recover soon.

Claus









?





From herberthguzman at gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 13:22:43 2021
From: herberthguzman at gmail.com (Herberth Guzman)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 06:22:43 -0600
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
In-Reply-To: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
References: <82d81638-da58-dc16-4a38-4160ef6f1ff2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJPJa8jTiRD320Jtd7JEGFiAXHskUjBDvPkvLK3xpxFYnJxtOw@mail.gmail.com>

Health is the priority.
I hope you get better soon
Regards.


El jueves, 18 de noviembre de 2021, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com>
escribi?:

> Hi,
>
> I'm sick since Nov. 9th, maybe the Flu, probably the Covid because I
> completly lost taste and smell.
>
> The problem is that I am very tired almost permanently (sleeping all the
> time), every action, even intellectual, being an effort. So I have very few
> hours in the day where my brain is operational.
>
> So don't be surprised if it takes me a long time to answer mails...
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 13:35:01 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 13:35:01 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
In-Reply-To: <33346106-ccf7-c775-93fc-e1916c155cd8@freenet.de>
References: <6ffc617b-c866-1dcb-0977-67091a9fae44@t-online.de>
 <33346106-ccf7-c775-93fc-e1916c155cd8@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <6ede6217-4f3b-5817-bcf4-f4b45a8e422c@gmail.com>

Le 29/11/2021 ? 12:49, Claus Dietrich a ?crit?:
> 
> Hi Benoit
> 
> I fully agree with Gianluigi. I may be wrong, but believe,that
> your attitude is rather regretted than shared in this forum.
> This may apply as well to your making fun of the greenhouse gas
> CO2 on Gitlab, which is disappointing and stressing me since
> some time.
> 
> However, Gambas as your glorious idea and baby is something
> we all love and in order to protect our common hobby I
> suggest not to trigger or join missionary and unscientific black/
> white-debats any longer, which I perceive as inappropriate
> and disturbing within our Gambas community.
> 
> As much as I needed to say this, be assured of my respect
> and I very much hope, that you fully recover soon.
> 
> Claus
> 

Aaah, people minds are a complex thing! Don't be stressed about that.

Even someone that you know for twenty years will suddenly do or say some 
things completely unexpected.

As for all that current covid stuff, don't worry too: time will tell who 
was right and who was wrong.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 13:30:48 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 13:30:48 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
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Le 28/11/2021 ? 23:26, Gianluigi a ?crit?:
> 
> Hi Benoit,
> 
> today you confirm what the cartoon of the month of jul 14 implied, you 
> are a No Vax.

I am not a "No Vax", I have all my vaccine made.

> It is evident that when you 'marry a cause' (you also demonstrate it 
> with Gambas) you go to the heart of things.
> I respect you, but I ask you: do you really want to put your health at 
> risk for such an unscientific belief?
> You caught the virus, is this not enough proof to dispel the doubt of 
> the conspiracy?
> Aren't you afraid of putting the health of those who love you and are 
> close to you at risk?

Let's suppose that a vaccine work. Then how could a non-vaccinated 
people put the health of vaccinated people at risk?

But these injections are not "vaccine" : they don't prevent the spread 
of the virus, they don't prevent from being sick. They just lower a bit 
the risk of death for old people, and I'm not sure this risk lowering is 
still valid nowadays.

Not the definition of a vaccine imho. More the definition of a drug that 
does not work.

These drugs are an experimental technology still currently in test, and 
human people should not be used as guinea-pigs. I even think there were 
a famous trial against using people as guinea-pig just after the end of 
the World War II.

All that is elementary caution and logic.

> 
> I am not afraid of dying, I am old enough to know that death will come 
> soon enough (9-10 years if I respect the statistics :-)) and yet I am 
> vaccinated, twice.

If you are in the age where the injections bring you a lower risk of 
death, of course you should get it.

More generally: An injection is a drug, and you must be careful when you 
take any drug.

A vaccine is not like a magical orange juice that has no effect when 
99.9% of the population has taken it, and suddenly makes the virus 
disappear just because the last 0.01% of a population takes it.

Being vaccinated should be a decision between you and your doctor, after 
a careful examination of risks and benefices.

Here is what I think.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From bagonergi at gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 15:08:31 2021
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 15:08:31 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
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Il giorno lun 29 nov 2021 alle ore 13:59 Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com>
ha scritto:

> Le 28/11/2021 ? 23:26, Gianluigi a ?crit :
> >
> > Hi Benoit,
> >
> > today you confirm what the cartoon of the month of jul 14 implied, you
> > are a No Vax.
>
> I am not a "No Vax", I have all my vaccine made.
>
> > It is evident that when you 'marry a cause' (you also demonstrate it
> > with Gambas) you go to the heart of things.
> > I respect you, but I ask you: do you really want to put your health at
> > risk for such an unscientific belief?
> > You caught the virus, is this not enough proof to dispel the doubt of
> > the conspiracy?
> > Aren't you afraid of putting the health of those who love you and are
> > close to you at risk?
>
> Let's suppose that a vaccine work. Then how could a non-vaccinated
> people put the health of vaccinated people at risk?
>
> But these injections are not "vaccine" : they don't prevent the spread
> of the virus, they don't prevent from being sick. They just lower a bit
> the risk of death for old people, and I'm not sure this risk lowering is
> still valid nowadays.
>
> Not the definition of a vaccine imho. More the definition of a drug that
> does not work.
>
> These drugs are an experimental technology still currently in test, and
> human people should not be used as guinea-pigs. I even think there were
> a famous trial against using people as guinea-pig just after the end of
> the World War II.
>
> All that is elementary caution and logic.
>
> >
> > I am not afraid of dying, I am old enough to know that death will come
> > soon enough (9-10 years if I respect the statistics :-)) and yet I am
> > vaccinated, twice.
>
> If you are in the age where the injections bring you a lower risk of
> death, of course you should get it.
>
> More generally: An injection is a drug, and you must be careful when you
> take any drug.
>
> A vaccine is not like a magical orange juice that has no effect when
> 99.9% of the population has taken it, and suddenly makes the virus
> disappear just because the last 0.01% of a population takes it.
>
> Being vaccinated should be a decision between you and your doctor, after
> a careful examination of risks and benefices.
>
> Here is what I think.
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>

Hi Benoit,

sorry if I misunderstood your reasoning.
But I know that I was not the only one :-), no flu vaccine totally covers
the risk of contracting the virus.
Getting the vaccine reduces the risk and I don't think anyone is going to
expect a person to get vaccinated if they have dangerous allergies.
I repeat if the risks are acceptable (and in this case it seems that they
are) I see it as a civic duty an act of altruism towards the weakest.
Here in Italy after the vaccination campaign, the places in intensive care
are under control.
At the same time last year this did not happen and people could not be
hospitalized.
There have been many more heart attack deaths than in previous years.
You may opine that these are just statistics, but I remind you that behind
the statistics there are real people who have lost their loved ones.

Not turning a flu into a pandemic is what governments are trying to achieve.

In a democracy one should act according to the wishes of the majority and
this seems to be done by all European governments.

With renewed esteem

Gianluigi
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From tercoide at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 29 15:34:27 2021
From: tercoide at hotmail.com (martin p cristia)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 11:34:27 -0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
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Covid has a death rate of 2.5%

Vaccines save 95% from death.

Vaccines had 0.00000001% bad side effects.

It's a no brainer.

I had a shot of Sputnik, another Moderna, and will have an AstraZeneca 
in a few days. Not my choice though!!!, but our goverment stupidity that 
went very good as mixture have proven to raise antibodies better than 
single lab vaccines.

My sons? (17,14) had two shots of Pfizer each. My father (81) had 
Sinopharmx2 in Argentina but went to USA and had? Pfizer x2.


-- 
Saludos

Ing. Martin P Cristia


From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 16:15:10 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 16:15:10 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] New colored version display fails with older git
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Le 26/11/2021 ? 05:36, bb a ?crit?:
> The IDE CVersionControlGit class uses the following to try and obtain 
> the currently active branch of the project:
> Public Sub GetCurrentBranch() As String
>  ? Return Trim(RunShell("git branch --show-current"))
> End
> 
> Unfortunately, the --show-current option in git-branch is only available 
> in *versions 2.22.0 and later*. See 
> https://github.com/laurent22/joplin/issues/1695 
> <https://github.com/laurent22/joplin/issues/1695> for a "clue" resolving 
> this by using "git rev-parse --abbrev-ref HEAD".
> 
> Alternately, the following "should be" version independant but 
> microscopically slower:
> 
> Return Trim(RunShell("git branch | grep \* | cut -d ' ' -f2"))
> 
> best regards
> bruce
> 
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> 

It should be fixed with commmit 
https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/-/commit/70505e42c6b4bf2d09b4a522c19f6c9fa3889fea.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 19:23:34 2021
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 20:23:34 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
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>
> As for all that current covid stuff, don't worry too: time will tell who
> was right and who was wrong.
>

Time has already done that. Over 5 million deaths by COVID and majority are
unvaccinated/partially vaccinated.
It doesn't get more clear than that. Only the excuses and narratives for
the conspiracies will change with the time.


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From criguada at gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 20:10:27 2021
From: criguada at gmail.com (Cristiano Guadagnino)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 20:10:27 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
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I completely agree with you Jussi, but please let's stop this now and for
good.
Enough of these fights on television and elsewhere, let's not duplicate it
here.
Thank you
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Il giorno lun 29 nov 2021 alle ore 19:30 Jussi Lahtinen <
jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> ha scritto:

> As for all that current covid stuff, don't worry too: time will tell who
>> was right and who was wrong.
>>
>
> Time has already done that. Over 5 million deaths by COVID and majority
> are unvaccinated/partially vaccinated.
> It doesn't get more clear than that. Only the excuses and narratives for
> the conspiracies will change with the time.
>
>
> Jussi
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 20:40:40 2021
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 21:40:40 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
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Yes, you are right. This is not the right forum for this.
I just wish people would do even a quick fact checking before clicking
"share" in social media.

Jussi


On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 9:19 PM Cristiano Guadagnino <criguada at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I completely agree with you Jussi, but please let's stop this now and for
> good.
> Enough of these fights on television and elsewhere, let's not duplicate it
> here.
> Thank you
> Cris
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> Il giorno lun 29 nov 2021 alle ore 19:30 Jussi Lahtinen <
> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> As for all that current covid stuff, don't worry too: time will tell who
>>> was right and who was wrong.
>>>
>>
>> Time has already done that. Over 5 million deaths by COVID and majority
>> are unvaccinated/partially vaccinated.
>> It doesn't get more clear than that. Only the excuses and narratives for
>> the conspiracies will change with the time.
>>
>>
>> Jussi
>>
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From roberto.premoli at tiscali.it  Tue Nov 30 01:46:30 2021
From: roberto.premoli at tiscali.it (roberto.premoli at tiscali.it)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 01:46:30 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
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  jussi,
your - straight and rock solid - logic cannot be defeat by
fool people, no matter how good in coding they could be.
Respect.

Il
28.11.2021 20:22 Jussi Lahtinen ha scritto: 

>> And because a positive
test does not imply that you have the 
>> covid (their daughter was
positive too, but had nothing).
> 
> Positive test certainly means you
have the virus, but it doesn't mean it necessarily makes you ill. IE
asymptomatic carrier. 
> 
>> I'm just sad of now living in a country
where effective drugs are 
>> specifically forbidden;
> 
> Like what?
 



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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 30 02:38:43 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 01:38:43 +0000
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 at 00:47, <roberto.premoli at tiscali.it> wrote:

> jussi,
> your - straight and rock solid - logic cannot be defeat by fool people, no
> matter how good in coding they could be.
> Respect.
>
<-- giggles at the irony of that statement ;)
You lot clearly are the most righteous most excellent people who know all
that is correct.
Thank you for sharing your side of support.

you are excellent.
I'm impressed with your knowledge.
Hazza for you ;)

Bruce out.
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From antonioceula at gmail.com  Tue Nov 30 11:42:47 2021
From: antonioceula at gmail.com (Antonio F.S.)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 11:42:47 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] =?utf-8?q?=C2=BFGambas_Foundation=3F?=
Message-ID: <ec75b0c5-0ab3-1b04-98a5-d81214033fd9@gmail.com>

Greetings from Sabadell (Barcelona). My name is Antonio. I am 60 years 
old. I am a programmer since 37 years ago when I started with Commodore 
Vic 20- C64 and C128. :-) :-) A lot has 'rained' since then.

I have discovered GAMBAS only recently, but I am enthusiastic about its 
power and I remember those Basic: MS-Basic, TurboBasic, Quick Basic...
A big thank you to Mr. Beno?t Minisini for his altruistic work and great 
capacity in software engineering (I am pleasantly surprised); however I 
think that Gambas deserves a strong impulse in documentation as well as 
in updates/innovations but, above all, in durability. This language is 
very capable of competing with other open source languages and even 
surpassing some paid ones.

Just one suggestion Mr. Minisini: nobody is eternal and we take big 
risks every day just by living, so a Gambas Foundation would be of 
relevant importance to continue your work, even if you are in excellent 
health (which I wish you with all my heart).

Best regards.
Antonio F.S.


From roberto.premoli at tiscali.it  Tue Nov 30 12:33:59 2021
From: roberto.premoli at tiscali.it (roberto.premoli at tiscali.it)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 12:33:59 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] =?utf-8?q?=C2=BFGambas_Foundation=3F?=
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Il 30.11.2021 11:42 Antonio F.S. ha scritto:

> Greetings from Sabadell (Barcelona). My name is Antonio. I am 60 
> years
> old. I am a programmer since 37 years ago when I started with 
> Commodore
> Vic 20- C64 and C128. :-) :-) A lot has 'rained' since then.

uh, a old one of my generation! Anyway, I was on "the right side", 
because I had a ZX Spectrum+!
(joke)


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From tercoide at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 30 12:51:31 2021
From: tercoide at hotmail.com (martin p cristia)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 08:51:31 -0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas Foundation?
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Great idea. But as this is voluntary and everyone has a little time.... 
Also Gb got big, not all have the big picture or the required skills of 
it, but if we can make some "departments", say:

-Gb/Ide

-Gb/Qt

-Gb/GTK

-Gb/distros

etc

People can make small teams that take up specific tasks to it. Then, 
beside using it, we can maintain/improove our part while the boss 
directs the orchestra.

Just a morning idea...

Have a great day


-- 

Saludos

Ing. Martin P Cristia


From tobs at taboege.de  Tue Nov 30 13:54:02 2021
From: tobs at taboege.de (Tobias Boege)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 13:54:02 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas Foundation?
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2021, martin p cristia wrote:
> Great idea. But as this is voluntary and everyone has a little time.... Also
> Gb got big, not all have the big picture or the required skills of it, but
> if we can make some "departments", say:
> 
> -Gb/Ide
> 
> -Gb/Qt
> 
> -Gb/GTK
> 
> -Gb/distros
> 
> etc
> 
> People can make small teams that take up specific tasks to it. Then, beside
> using it, we can maintain/improove our part while the boss directs the
> orchestra.
> 
> Just a morning idea...
> 

People can already do all of these things. Is a foundation that forms official
teams really what users have been waiting for to start contributing to Gambas,
reading code, fixing bugs, writing documentation and implementing features?

I am allergic to artificial and unnecessary bureaucracy, so I will ask:
What is the problem with Gambas that a foundation solves and how? Is it a
legal (trademark, copyright, representation) or administrative (resource
management) problem? Or what?

If the problem is that there are no contributors and no group of people which
excludes Beno?t can maintain Gambas, then the solution is training people,
not necessarily making a foundation. Nobody starts tinkering on Gambas internals
because we have a foundation now. This is why I ask for clarification about
what you imagine the foundation should **do**.

What I can imagine:

  - We do have some resources that are managed by individuals:
    domain names, web servers, mailing lists, IRC channels. Perhaps it
    would be beneficial to have a legal entity comprised of multiple
    individuals which have the keys to all of these resources.
    (Of course, this comes with organizational overhead. There are
    programming language foundations which regularly elect a board,
    so I imagine they change all of their passwords at least with
    the same regularity.)

  - The Perl Foundation, for example, sponsors grants. These are
    sourced from donation money and distributed to applicants on a
    competitive basis. The applicants have to write a proposal for
    what they want to do with their "salary" and regular reports
    about their progress. (Of course, you need donations for that.)

But still, I want you to consider that you are in the Gambas foundation TODAY
with four other people and Beno?t declares that he will become a wine-growing
hermit in SIX MONTHS. Why is Gambas better off next year with the foundation
than without it?

Best,
Tobias

-- 
"There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk

From bagonergi at gmail.com  Tue Nov 30 14:57:06 2021
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 14:57:06 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas Foundation?
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Il giorno mar 30 nov 2021 alle ore 14:06 Tobias Boege via User <
user at lists.gambas-basic.org> ha scritto:

> On Tue, 30 Nov 2021, martin p cristia wrote:
> > Great idea. But as this is voluntary and everyone has a little time....
> Also
> > Gb got big, not all have the big picture or the required skills of it,
> but
> > if we can make some "departments", say:
> >
> > -Gb/Ide
> >
> > -Gb/Qt
> >
> > -Gb/GTK
> >
> > -Gb/distros
> >
> > etc
> >
> > People can make small teams that take up specific tasks to it. Then,
> beside
> > using it, we can maintain/improove our part while the boss directs the
> > orchestra.
> >
> > Just a morning idea...
> >
>
> People can already do all of these things. Is a foundation that forms
> official
> teams really what users have been waiting for to start contributing to
> Gambas,
> reading code, fixing bugs, writing documentation and implementing features?
>
> I am allergic to artificial and unnecessary bureaucracy, so I will ask:
> What is the problem with Gambas that a foundation solves and how? Is it a
> legal (trademark, copyright, representation) or administrative (resource
> management) problem? Or what?
>
> If the problem is that there are no contributors and no group of people
> which
> excludes Beno?t can maintain Gambas, then the solution is training people,
> not necessarily making a foundation. Nobody starts tinkering on Gambas
> internals
> because we have a foundation now. This is why I ask for clarification about
> what you imagine the foundation should **do**.
>
> What I can imagine:
>
>   - We do have some resources that are managed by individuals:
>     domain names, web servers, mailing lists, IRC channels. Perhaps it
>     would be beneficial to have a legal entity comprised of multiple
>     individuals which have the keys to all of these resources.
>     (Of course, this comes with organizational overhead. There are
>     programming language foundations which regularly elect a board,
>     so I imagine they change all of their passwords at least with
>     the same regularity.)
>
>   - The Perl Foundation, for example, sponsors grants. These are
>     sourced from donation money and distributed to applicants on a
>     competitive basis. The applicants have to write a proposal for
>     what they want to do with their "salary" and regular reports
>     about their progress. (Of course, you need donations for that.)
>
> But still, I want you to consider that you are in the Gambas foundation
> TODAY
> with four other people and Beno?t declares that he will become a
> wine-growing
> hermit in SIX MONTHS. Why is Gambas better off next year with the
> foundation
> than without it?
>
> Best,
> Tobias
>

Hi Tobias,

well write as usual.
I make two (small) donations to Gambas (by clicking on the Donate button
here : http://gambas.sourceforge.net/en/main.html ) one at Easter and one
at Christmas (it's easier to remember).
:-D
Regards
Gianluigi
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From Gambas at YoungJules.net  Tue Nov 30 22:53:15 2021
From: Gambas at YoungJules.net (Gambas at YoungJules.net)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 22:53:15 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Reduced activity
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  * Let's suppose that a vaccine work. Then how could a non-vaccinated
    people put the health of vaccinated people at risk?

 1. Firstly, the definition of a ?A working vaccine? is not one that
    gives perfect protection against catching a disease, although that
    would be lovely. If it significantly reduces your chance of dying
    from or catching a disease and has a very low incidence of
    side-effects then it?s working.
 2. Non-vaccinated people put vaccinated people at risk simply by
    allowing the virus more chances to mutate into something more
    deadly, or to mutate into a form that?s more resistant to the
    current vaccines, or into a far more infectious form, or ....(you
    might want to google RNA virus mutation rate...)
 3. Vaccinated people with underlying health conditions can still get
    very sick (and die) from being infected by unvaccinated people.
 4. Unvaccinated people who get sick still insist on getting treated in
    hospital, taking up hospital beds and ICU places that would normally
    be available to people suffering strokes, heart attacks, cancer ...
    causing deaths among the vaccinated because they can't get treated
    in a timely manner for non-Covid related diseases.

That's how.

Kind regards,
2x vaccinated and wearing a mask to protect you...


On 29/11/2021 13:30, Beno?t Minisini wrote:
> Le 28/11/2021 ? 23:26, Gianluigi a ?crit?:
>>
>> Hi Benoit,
>>
>> today you confirm what the cartoon of the month of jul 14 implied, 
>> you are a No Vax.
>
> I am not a "No Vax", I have all my vaccine made.
>
>> It is evident that when you 'marry a cause' (you also demonstrate it 
>> with Gambas) you go to the heart of things.
>> I respect you, but I ask you: do you really want to put your health 
>> at risk for such an unscientific belief?
>> You caught the virus, is this not enough proof to dispel the doubt of 
>> the conspiracy?
>> Aren't you afraid of putting the health of those who love you and are 
>> close to you at risk?
>
> Let's suppose that a vaccine work. Then how could a non-vaccinated 
> people put the health of vaccinated people at risk?
>
> But these injections are not "vaccine" : they don't prevent the spread 
> of the virus, they don't prevent from being sick. They just lower a 
> bit the risk of death for old people, and I'm not sure this risk 
> lowering is still valid nowadays.
>
> Not the definition of a vaccine imho. More the definition of a drug 
> that does not work.
>
> These drugs are an experimental technology still currently in test, 
> and human people should not be used as guinea-pigs. I even think there 
> were a famous trial against using people as guinea-pig just after the 
> end of the World War II.
>
> All that is elementary caution and logic.
>
>>
>> I am not afraid of dying, I am old enough to know that death will 
>> come soon enough (9-10 years if I respect the statistics :-)) and yet 
>> I am vaccinated, twice.
>
> If you are in the age where the injections bring you a lower risk of 
> death, of course you should get it.
>
> More generally: An injection is a drug, and you must be careful when 
> you take any drug.
>
> A vaccine is not like a magical orange juice that has no effect when 
> 99.9% of the population has taken it, and suddenly makes the virus 
> disappear just because the last 0.01% of a population takes it.
>
> Being vaccinated should be a decision between you and your doctor, 
> after a careful examination of risks and benefices.
>
> Here is what I think.
>

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From antonioceula at gmail.com  Tue Nov 30 23:40:08 2021
From: antonioceula at gmail.com (Antonio F.S.)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 23:40:08 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas Foundation?
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Good evening.

First of all, it is not my intention to subtract, but to add for the 
benefit of GAMBAS. As I said before, Mr. B.M. is the one who (I suppose) 
should decide about its creation. I have mentioned a GAMBAS foundation 
but, from the principle of language preservation for a better 
perspective within open source, although please excuse me if my 
ignorance of the "gear" of the GAMBAS guideline is a different way; 
maybe I got carried away by the passion of the power I perceive in this 
fabulous and masterful IDE.

Best regards.
Antonio F.S.


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Great idea. But as this is voluntary and everyone has a little time....

-- Saludos Ing. Martin P Cristia

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People can already do all of these things. Is a foundation that forms 
official...

Best,
Tobias