From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 16:47:25 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 10:47:25 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Compilation hangs on QT4 with Ubuntu 18.04.
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCD+7fMddXKjBYePjOaT_A6rWJcc7LsmBeNCgt9TSvdKwA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9cc98b5a-c8ae-110d-4335-a11b4c994b82@gmail.com>
 <CABuQYCD+7fMddXKjBYePjOaT_A6rWJcc7LsmBeNCgt9TSvdKwA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALci+FSG6Av7FroA9Srwn-xUsEyaxC=_taDB5mvehOvRs7JxxA@mail.gmail.com>

The ODBC and freeDTS combination is broken in gamas.. there's a active
threat with that problem and a open issue in gambas bugtracker..

http://gambaswiki.org/bugtracker/edit?object=BUG.1324&from=L21haW4-

While (rs.Available) ' <--- NERE receive null
Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com


El mar, 30 de mar. de 2021 a la(s) 10:37, Bruce Steers (bsteers4 at gmail.com)
escribi?:

> if 18.04 has qt5 then you could disable qt4 at ./configure
>
> ./configure -C --disable-keyring --disable-qt4
>
>
>
> On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at 03:13, ML <d4t4full at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Guys,
>>
>> Spent last weekend trying to revive the 20GB VirtualVox VM that I set up
>> and used to patch gb.db.odbc several years ago (from SVN!).
>> Long story short, I had to switch it from Ubuntu 16.04 32bit to Ubuntu
>> 18.04 64bit; so pretty much had to recreate it.
>> This last step obliterated the Firebird setup I created to fix row count
>> on it, but I'm confident I can get it back up.
>>
>> I had to refork my copy of Gambas in GitLab too, thanks to not having
>> re-synced it for quite some time...
>> In doing this, I set up the "dual remote repo" recommended in the new
>> CONTRIBUTING file and Wiki to have the repos easily synced.
>>
>> (just in case, the pages I read are http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/install
>> and http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/howto/contribute)
>>
>> Also got unixODBC and all its glory -and gory- bits installed, along
>> with FreeTDS for astonishing MSSQL connectivity.
>>
>> Then, I got to the gambas workflow: "sudo apt install <dependencies>",
>> "./reconf-all", "./configure -C --disable-keyring", you know: the works.
>>
>> Next I proceeded with "make -j" as said in the wiki. It all went nice
>> and easy until it got to (try to) compile the QT4 components.
>> This step simply hangs the whole Virtual Machine. Not even the mouse
>> pointer responds. Dead as a brick. Have to hit RESET on VirtualBox to
>> restart it.
>> In doing this compilation, it does get through a bunch of QT4 stuff, but
>> it always get to some component or another and just freezes. Tried 4 or
>> 5 times.
>> Not always freezes on the same component, and subsequent attempts to
>> compile even skip modules already compiled (expected). But again dies
>> processing QT4.
>>
>> Searched the interwebs, but could not get to a reasonable response or
>> reason as to why this happens, much less a solution.
>>
>> Does anyone have a clue as to why this may happen and, maybe, how to
>> solve it?
>>
>> TIA,
>> zxMarce.
>>
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 16:50:39 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 10:50:39 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Compilation hangs on QT4 with Ubuntu 18.04.
In-Reply-To: <9cc98b5a-c8ae-110d-4335-a11b4c994b82@gmail.com>
References: <9cc98b5a-c8ae-110d-4335-a11b4c994b82@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALci+FQyiHgpH-hFUcOTsQ9iBsn1f4=Tiq4-AKXBr880AdM8vg@mail.gmail.com>

also noted that neither winbutnu or virtualbox is recommended for
builds.. qemu is the most recommended. due how VM works .. i always
has no luck to.. ]

ODBC standard does not include row counts so there's no right support
for that in most odbc modules.. some can provide some does not
provide.. commonly all returns "-1"  that means true in gambas i guess
Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

El lun, 29 de mar. de 2021 a la(s) 22:13, ML (d4t4full at gmail.com) escribi?:
>
> Guys,
>
> Spent last weekend trying to revive the 20GB VirtualVox VM that I set up
> and used to patch gb.db.odbc several years ago (from SVN!).
> Long story short, I had to switch it from Ubuntu 16.04 32bit to Ubuntu
> 18.04 64bit; so pretty much had to recreate it.
> This last step obliterated the Firebird setup I created to fix row count
> on it, but I'm confident I can get it back up.
>
> I had to refork my copy of Gambas in GitLab too, thanks to not having
> re-synced it for quite some time...
> In doing this, I set up the "dual remote repo" recommended in the new
> CONTRIBUTING file and Wiki to have the repos easily synced.
>
> (just in case, the pages I read are http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/install
> and http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/howto/contribute)
>
> Also got unixODBC and all its glory -and gory- bits installed, along
> with FreeTDS for astonishing MSSQL connectivity.
>
> Then, I got to the gambas workflow: "sudo apt install <dependencies>",
> "./reconf-all", "./configure -C --disable-keyring", you know: the works.
>
> Next I proceeded with "make -j" as said in the wiki. It all went nice
> and easy until it got to (try to) compile the QT4 components.
> This step simply hangs the whole Virtual Machine. Not even the mouse
> pointer responds. Dead as a brick. Have to hit RESET on VirtualBox to
> restart it.
> In doing this compilation, it does get through a bunch of QT4 stuff, but
> it always get to some component or another and just freezes. Tried 4 or
> 5 times.
> Not always freezes on the same component, and subsequent attempts to
> compile even skip modules already compiled (expected). But again dies
> processing QT4.
>
> Searched the interwebs, but could not get to a reasonable response or
> reason as to why this happens, much less a solution.
>
> Does anyone have a clue as to why this may happen and, maybe, how to
> solve it?
>
> TIA,
> zxMarce.
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 17:15:13 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 11:15:13 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] any example of socket ?
Message-ID: <CALci+FQkZkcwnhMKtjMp3pg7T=OrpDCN3KFEFw3fsni+7b4NBw@mail.gmail.com>

i cannot find the examples behavour in the gambas ide.. was removed..
now i canot find the socket example..

any hint (without usage of gui please) for noobs/newbies?


Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 17:32:48 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 11:32:48 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] gb.message vs print : need GUI always? any
 equivalent!?
Message-ID: <CALci+FQxoX2ZFx67QM8vTEEbD3fJ-+eyTvPAf1sBNWO_+nqnMA@mail.gmail.com>

gb.message demands me GUI components.. is there any such simple way to
not require changing swipt "print" with "message" ?


Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 17:43:32 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 11:43:32 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] how to detect compilation runtime componets available?
Message-ID: <CALci+FT8vewdS7-DY2DVR9re_QfGowT_v6+=a0Pmv0qgnTU3=g@mail.gmail.com>

how to detect compilation runtime components available?

by example try to detect if gb.gui are loaded or used or compiled in
the project/app and if true, then try to use some gui things.. if not
just use console only..

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 19:11:21 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 18:11:21 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] how to detect compilation runtime componets
 available?
In-Reply-To: <CALci+FT8vewdS7-DY2DVR9re_QfGowT_v6+=a0Pmv0qgnTU3=g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CABuQYCCo-4mjRDMZjn4ExA6awNzd4wZo=Ks1Qy=q2kgJfTOg4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Something like this will work..


*Public Sub GetGUI() As String*

*Dim GUIs As String[] = ["gb.gtk", "gb.gtk3", "gb.qt4", "gb.qt5"]*
*For Each gui As String In GUIs*

* if Component.IsLoaded(gui) then Return gui*
*Next*


*Return "wayland"*
*End*


Something like that
BruceS


On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 16:44, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>
wrote:

> how to detect compilation runtime components available?
>
> by example try to detect if gb.gui are loaded or used or compiled in
> the project/app and if true, then try to use some gui things.. if not
> just use console only..
>
> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 19:28:28 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 13:28:28 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] how to detect compilation runtime componets
 available?
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCCo-4mjRDMZjn4ExA6awNzd4wZo=Ks1Qy=q2kgJfTOg4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALci+FT8vewdS7-DY2DVR9re_QfGowT_v6+=a0Pmv0qgnTU3=g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABuQYCCo-4mjRDMZjn4ExA6awNzd4wZo=Ks1Qy=q2kgJfTOg4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALci+FQi5w-ez9hC4A8CjTHvhU6OqS_99Lyo7AHC5POdduCRGg@mail.gmail.com>

ha ha ha thanks but now get a problem.. i trey to detect as suggested
and ok.. but at build time it fails.. if i do not have gb.gui loaded..

i guess i do not ask correctly but it makes sense.. i cannot use
message if i do not have gb.gui component defined XD
El jue, 1 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 13:12, Bruce Steers
(bsteers4 at gmail.com) escribi?:
>
> Something like this will work..
>
> Public Sub GetGUI() As String
> Dim GUIs As String[] = ["gb.gtk", "gb.gtk3", "gb.qt4", "gb.qt5"]
> For Each gui As String In GUIs
>  if Component.IsLoaded(gui) then Return gui
> Next
>
> Return "wayland"
> End
>
>
> Something like that
> BruceS
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 16:44, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> how to detect compilation runtime components available?
>>
>> by example try to detect if gb.gui are loaded or used or compiled in
>> the project/app and if true, then try to use some gui things.. if not
>> just use console only..
>>
>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 19:46:25 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 18:46:25 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] how to detect compilation runtime componets
 available?
In-Reply-To: <CALci+FQi5w-ez9hC4A8CjTHvhU6OqS_99Lyo7AHC5POdduCRGg@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CABuQYCCo-4mjRDMZjn4ExA6awNzd4wZo=Ks1Qy=q2kgJfTOg4Q@mail.gmail.com>
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So use
If Component.IsLoaded("gb.gui")
to test for gb.gui explicitly.

Or there's using "Try" to attempt something and see if it's possible?
something like ..

Dim sVar As String, HasGUI as Boolean
Try sVar = Message("Hello")
If Error Then
  Print "Hello"
  HasGUI=False
Else
  HasGUI=True
Endif

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 18:29, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>
wrote:

> ha ha ha thanks but now get a problem.. i trey to detect as suggested
> and ok.. but at build time it fails.. if i do not have gb.gui loaded..
>
> i guess i do not ask correctly but it makes sense.. i cannot use
> message if i do not have gb.gui component defined XD
> El jue, 1 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 13:12, Bruce Steers
> (bsteers4 at gmail.com) escribi?:
> >
> > Something like this will work..
> >
> > Public Sub GetGUI() As String
> > Dim GUIs As String[] = ["gb.gtk", "gb.gtk3", "gb.qt4", "gb.qt5"]
> > For Each gui As String In GUIs
> >  if Component.IsLoaded(gui) then Return gui
> > Next
> >
> > Return "wayland"
> > End
> >
> >
> > Something like that
> > BruceS
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 16:44, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> how to detect compilation runtime components available?
> >>
> >> by example try to detect if gb.gui are loaded or used or compiled in
> >> the project/app and if true, then try to use some gui things.. if not
> >> just use console only..
> >>
> >> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> >> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
> >>
> >> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> >
> >
> > ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 19:55:19 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 13:55:19 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] how to detect compilation runtime componets
 available?
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCB0P0TTo6Q9hH7bZyDhse0_BvSPOR6U83MfywxAS+tAUg@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CABuQYCCo-4mjRDMZjn4ExA6awNzd4wZo=Ks1Qy=q2kgJfTOg4Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALci+FQi5w-ez9hC4A8CjTHvhU6OqS_99Lyo7AHC5POdduCRGg@mail.gmail.com>
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El jue, 1 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 13:47, Bruce Steers
(bsteers4 at gmail.com) escribi?:
 Or there's using "Try" to attempt something and see if it's possible?
> something like ..
>
> Dim sVar As String, HasGUI as Boolean
> Try sVar = Message("Hello")
> If Error Then
>   Print "Hello"
>   HasGUI=False
> Else
>   HasGUI=True
> Endif

no is not possible.. compilation time saids "gb.gui is not loaded" XD
thanks anyway
>
> On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 18:29, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ha ha ha thanks but now get a problem.. i trey to detect as suggested
>> and ok.. but at build time it fails.. if i do not have gb.gui loaded..
>>
>> i guess i do not ask correctly but it makes sense.. i cannot use
>> message if i do not have gb.gui component defined XD
>> El jue, 1 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 13:12, Bruce Steers
>> (bsteers4 at gmail.com) escribi?:
>> >
>> > Something like this will work..
>> >
>> > Public Sub GetGUI() As String
>> > Dim GUIs As String[] = ["gb.gtk", "gb.gtk3", "gb.qt4", "gb.qt5"]
>> > For Each gui As String In GUIs
>> >  if Component.IsLoaded(gui) then Return gui
>> > Next
>> >
>> > Return "wayland"
>> > End
>> >
>> >
>> > Something like that
>> > BruceS
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 16:44, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> how to detect compilation runtime components available?
>> >>
>> >> by example try to detect if gb.gui are loaded or used or compiled in
>> >> the project/app and if true, then try to use some gui things.. if not
>> >> just use console only..
>> >>
>> >> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>> >> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>> >>
>> >> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>> >
>> >
>> > ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 21:22:47 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 21:22:47 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] any example of socket ?
In-Reply-To: <CALci+FQkZkcwnhMKtjMp3pg7T=OrpDCN3KFEFw3fsni+7b4NBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALci+FQkZkcwnhMKtjMp3pg7T=OrpDCN3KFEFw3fsni+7b4NBw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5df352ed-ca26-12b1-9cc2-433ea5f7ab3b@gmail.com>

Le 01/04/2021 ? 17:15, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit?:
> i cannot find the examples behavour in the gambas ide.. was removed..
> now i canot find the socket example..
> 
> any hint (without usage of gui please) for noobs/newbies?
> 
> 
> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> 

The examples are available in the software farm.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 00:25:38 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 23:25:38 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] how to detect compilation runtime componets
 available?
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why would gb.gui not be loaded and you not know about it?
how you maybe have it?



On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 18:56, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>
wrote:

> El jue, 1 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 13:47, Bruce Steers
> (bsteers4 at gmail.com) escribi?:
>  Or there's using "Try" to attempt something and see if it's possible?
> > something like ..
> >
> > Dim sVar As String, HasGUI as Boolean
> > Try sVar = Message("Hello")
> > If Error Then
> >   Print "Hello"
> >   HasGUI=False
> > Else
> >   HasGUI=True
> > Endif
>
> no is not possible.. compilation time saids "gb.gui is not loaded" XD
> thanks anyway
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 18:29, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ha ha ha thanks but now get a problem.. i trey to detect as suggested
> >> and ok.. but at build time it fails.. if i do not have gb.gui loaded..
> >>
> >> i guess i do not ask correctly but it makes sense.. i cannot use
> >> message if i do not have gb.gui component defined XD
> >> El jue, 1 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 13:12, Bruce Steers
> >> (bsteers4 at gmail.com) escribi?:
> >> >
> >> > Something like this will work..
> >> >
> >> > Public Sub GetGUI() As String
> >> > Dim GUIs As String[] = ["gb.gtk", "gb.gtk3", "gb.qt4", "gb.qt5"]
> >> > For Each gui As String In GUIs
> >> >  if Component.IsLoaded(gui) then Return gui
> >> > Next
> >> >
> >> > Return "wayland"
> >> > End
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Something like that
> >> > BruceS
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 16:44, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
> mckaygerhard at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> how to detect compilation runtime components available?
> >> >>
> >> >> by example try to detect if gb.gui are loaded or used or compiled in
> >> >> the project/app and if true, then try to use some gui things.. if not
> >> >> just use console only..
> >> >>
> >> >> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> >> >> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
> >> >>
> >> >> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> >>
> >> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> >
> >
> > ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Fri Apr  2 01:02:48 2021
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 16:02:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Gambas-user] how to detect compilation runtime componets
 available?
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Piccoro, 

Can you post an example app to show what you are trying to do? 
I find this whole conversation confusing.. kind of anyway. 
What are you working on, Library or Component? 

the app is usually created as a cmdline app or a graphical interface so you know at runtime. 

"Failure is the key to success; 
each mistake teaches us something" .. Morihei Ueshiba 
Brian G 

----- On Apr 1, 2021, at 3:25 PM, Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com> wrote: 

> why would gb.gui not be loaded and you not know about it?
> how you maybe have it?

> On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 18:56, PICCORO McKAY Lenz < [
> mailto:mckaygerhard at gmail.com | mckaygerhard at gmail.com ] > wrote:

>> El jue, 1 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 13:47, Bruce Steers
>> ( [ mailto:bsteers4 at gmail.com | bsteers4 at gmail.com ] ) escribi?:
>> Or there's using "Try" to attempt something and see if it's possible?
>> > something like ..

>> > Dim sVar As String, HasGUI as Boolean
>> > Try sVar = Message("Hello")
>> > If Error Then
>> > Print "Hello"
>> > HasGUI=False
>> > Else
>> > HasGUI=True
>> > Endif

>> no is not possible.. compilation time saids "gb.gui is not loaded" XD
>> thanks anyway

>>> On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 18:29, PICCORO McKAY Lenz < [
>> > mailto:mckaygerhard at gmail.com | mckaygerhard at gmail.com ] > wrote:

>> >> ha ha ha thanks but now get a problem.. i trey to detect as suggested
>> >> and ok.. but at build time it fails.. if i do not have gb.gui loaded..

>> >> i guess i do not ask correctly but it makes sense.. i cannot use
>> >> message if i do not have gb.gui component defined XD
>> >> El jue, 1 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 13:12, Bruce Steers
>> >> ( [ mailto:bsteers4 at gmail.com | bsteers4 at gmail.com ] ) escribi?:

>> >> > Something like this will work..

>> >> > Public Sub GetGUI() As String
>> >> > Dim GUIs As String[] = ["gb.gtk", "gb.gtk3", "gb.qt4", "gb.qt5"]
>> >> > For Each gui As String In GUIs
>> >> > if Component.IsLoaded(gui) then Return gui
>> >> > Next

>> >> > Return "wayland"
>> >> > End


>> >> > Something like that
>> >> > BruceS


>>>> > On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 16:44, PICCORO McKAY Lenz < [
>> >> > mailto:mckaygerhard at gmail.com | mckaygerhard at gmail.com ] > wrote:

>> >> >> how to detect compilation runtime components available?

>> >> >> by example try to detect if gb.gui are loaded or used or compiled in
>> >> >> the project/app and if true, then try to use some gui things.. if not
>> >> >> just use console only..

>> >> >> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>> >> >> [ http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com/ | http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com ]

>>>> >> ----[ [ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette |
>> >> >> http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ] ]----


>>>> > ----[ [ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette |
>> >> > http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ] ]----

>>>> ----[ [ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette |
>> >> http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ] ]----


>>> ----[ [ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette |
>> > http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ] ]----

>> ----[ [ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette |
>> http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ] ]----

> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 05:24:33 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 23:24:33 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] any example of socket ?
In-Reply-To: <5df352ed-ca26-12b1-9cc2-433ea5f7ab3b@gmail.com>
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El jue, 1 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 15:23, Beno?t Minisini
(g4mba5 at gmail.com) escribi?:
>
> Le 01/04/2021 ? 17:15, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit :
> > i cannot find the examples behavour in the gambas ide.. was removed..
> > now i canot find the socket example..
> >
> > any hint (without usage of gui please) for noobs/newbies?
>
> The examples are available in the software farm.

oh noted that i cannot retrieve due networking limits. puff i liked
more all offline as older times when all are working perfectly

>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

From jose.rodriguez at cenpalab.cu  Fri Apr  2 06:35:41 2021
From: jose.rodriguez at cenpalab.cu (jose.rodriguez at cenpalab.cu)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2021 04:35:41 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] any example of socket ?
In-Reply-To: <CALci+FTqB+aEohvzh4WBRTXLKAcb43FKxhpaje_JZHMPerTLNw@mail.gmail.com>
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April 1, 2021 11:26 PM, "PICCORO McKAY Lenz" <mckaygerhard at gmail.com> wrote:

> El jue, 1 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 15:23, Beno?t Minisini
> (g4mba5 at gmail.com) escribi?:
> 
>> Le 01/04/2021 ? 17:15, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit :
>> i cannot find the examples behavour in the gambas ide.. was removed..
>> now i canot find the socket example..
>> 
>> any hint (without usage of gui please) for noobs/newbies?
>> 
>> The examples are available in the software farm.
> 
> oh noted that i cannot retrieve due networking limits. puff i liked
> more all offline as older times when all are working perfectly
> 


Well, there is a package on Mint/Ubuntu called gambas3-examples, not sure what it includes though...

Regards,
Joe1962


From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 07:13:23 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 01:13:23 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] any example of socket ?
In-Reply-To: <ca981352080f1e84fc15f59202734fab@cenpalab.cu>
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El vie, 2 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 00:46, <jose.rodriguez at cenpalab.cu> escribi?:
>
> April 1, 2021 11:26 PM, "PICCORO McKAY Lenz" <mckaygerhard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > El jue, 1 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 15:23, Beno?t Minisini
> > (g4mba5 at gmail.com) escribi?:
> >
> >> Le 01/04/2021 ? 17:15, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit :
> >> i cannot find the examples behavour in the gambas ide.. was removed..
> >> now i canot find the socket example..
> >>
> >> any hint (without usage of gui please) for noobs/newbies?
> >>
> >> The examples are available in the software farm.
> >
> > oh noted that i cannot retrieve due networking limits. puff i liked
> > more all offline as older times when all are working perfectly
> >
>
>
> Well, there is a package on Mint/Ubuntu called gambas3-
> examples, not sure what it includes though...

i do not use winbuntu.. but that is the local one..

>
> Regards,
> Joe1962
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

From jose.rodriguez at cenpalab.cu  Fri Apr  2 07:26:26 2021
From: jose.rodriguez at cenpalab.cu (jose.rodriguez at cenpalab.cu)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2021 05:26:26 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] any example of socket ?
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April 2, 2021 1:13 AM, "PICCORO McKAY Lenz" <mckaygerhard at gmail.com> wrote:

> El vie, 2 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 00:46, <jose.rodriguez at cenpalab.cu> escribi?:
> 
>> April 1, 2021 11:26 PM, "PICCORO McKAY Lenz" <mckaygerhard at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> El jue, 1 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 15:23, Beno?t Minisini
>> (g4mba5 at gmail.com) escribi?:
>> 
>> Le 01/04/2021 ? 17:15, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit :
>> i cannot find the examples behavour in the gambas ide.. was removed..
>> now i canot find the socket example..
>> 
>> any hint (without usage of gui please) for noobs/newbies?
>> 
>> The examples are available in the software farm.
>> 
>> oh noted that i cannot retrieve due networking limits. puff i liked
>> more all offline as older times when all are working perfectly
>> 
>> Well, there is a package on Mint/Ubuntu called gambas3-
>> examples, not sure what it includes though...
> 
> i do not use winbuntu.. but that is the local one..
> 


Well, according to apt-file list gambas3-examples it includes:

gambas3-examples: /usr/share/doc/gambas3-examples/examples/Networking/ClientSocket/
and
gambas3-examples: /usr/share/doc/gambas3-examples/examples/Networking/ServerSocket/

Regards,
Joe1962


From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 11:43:28 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 10:43:28 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] any example of socket ?
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On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 at 04:25, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>
wrote:

> El jue, 1 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 15:23, Beno?t Minisini
> (g4mba5 at gmail.com) escribi?:
> >
> > Le 01/04/2021 ? 17:15, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit :
> > > i cannot find the examples behavour in the gambas ide.. was removed..
> > > now i canot find the socket example..
> > >
> > > any hint (without usage of gui please) for noobs/newbies?
> >
> > The examples are available in the software farm.
>
> oh noted that i cannot retrieve due networking limits. puff i liked
> more all offline as older times when all are working perfectly


I know you have gambas source code folder as you asked about compiling.
So look in ...
gambas/app/examples/Networking
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 14:58:56 2021
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 14:58:56 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas and backward compatibility
Message-ID: <CAJ2rqFZcCKaBHjnOOpOOk7ptY7d020WNc-HTvUBTuJ90uk+vPQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dearest and most esteemed Benoit,

as you know I am an amateur programmer, I am retired and I have a lot of
fun programming with Gambas.

Given these premises, even if your next Gambas will break compatibility
with the old one, for me, playing with the code, nothing changes, on the
contrary I will have new stimuli and new challenges.

But please put yourself in the shoes of someone who uses your beautiful
programming language for work, the craftsman, the merchant, the
professional who, like me (and even more than me), arranges independently
to have a tailor-made product.

Whenever the 'poor man' has to update the distribution do you want to force
him to redo the program from scratch?

There is already the distribution with the new libraries to put them in
difficulty.

I wish you and all users a Happy Easter

Gianluigi
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 17:16:04 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 16:16:04 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas and backward compatibility
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Hey Gian from what i have seen there is very little that changes that would
make software not work on a newer gambas.

Are you referring to something specific?
and this is "forward compatibility" (older programs to work on newer gambas
versions)

For backward compatibility (newer programs working on older gambas
versions) there is nothing can be done except for you to make the code
compatible with older gambas versions. because new features get added to
gambas.
For example the word "Use" in a Property declaration, do not use it as it
will only work since gambas 3.14
So it is your responsibility to make a program compatible with an older
gambas if you want it that way.

I have had a similar problem before but when you look at you realise the
only answer for code written in latest gambas is for the user to upgrade
too.

I have a partition with debian10 and Gambas3.12 that i run and test my
programs on. for backward compatibility.


Happy , er spring time, whatever ;)
BruceS


On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 at 14:00, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dearest and most esteemed Benoit,
>
> as you know I am an amateur programmer, I am retired and I have a lot of
> fun programming with Gambas.
>
> Given these premises, even if your next Gambas will break compatibility
> with the old one, for me, playing with the code, nothing changes, on the
> contrary I will have new stimuli and new challenges.
>
> But please put yourself in the shoes of someone who uses your beautiful
> programming language for work, the craftsman, the merchant, the
> professional who, like me (and even more than me), arranges independently
> to have a tailor-made product.
>
> Whenever the 'poor man' has to update the distribution do you want to
> force him to redo the program from scratch?
>
> There is already the distribution with the new libraries to put them in
> difficulty.
>
> I wish you and all users a Happy Easter
>
> Gianluigi
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 17:53:31 2021
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 17:53:31 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas and backward compatibility
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Il giorno ven 2 apr 2021 alle ore 17:17 Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com>
ha scritto:

> Hey Gian from what i have seen there is very little that changes that
> would make software not work on a newer gambas.
> ...
>

I am referring to old programs made with previous versions of Gambas.
Mine is just a prayer to Benoit.

Thanks

Gianluigi
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 18:31:34 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 17:31:34 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas and backward compatibility
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On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 at 16:54, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Il giorno ven 2 apr 2021 alle ore 17:17 Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com>
> ha scritto:
>
>> Hey Gian from what i have seen there is very little that changes that
>> would make software not work on a newer gambas.
>> ...
>>
>
> I am referring to old programs made with previous versions of Gambas.
> Mine is just a prayer to Benoit.
>
> Thanks
>

I think maybe your prayers are being answered :)
https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/-/commit/3ccbc7281e16b6bcd0ae97ba05f32538e02b4d8d

Wishing well
BruceS
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 19:06:17 2021
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 19:06:17 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas and backward compatibility
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Il giorno ven 2 apr 2021 alle ore 18:32 Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com>
ha scritto:

>
>
> On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 at 16:54, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Il giorno ven 2 apr 2021 alle ore 17:17 Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com>
>> ha scritto:
>>
>>> Hey Gian from what i have seen there is very little that changes that
>>> would make software not work on a newer gambas.
>>> ...
>>>
>>
>> I am referring to old programs made with previous versions of Gambas.
>> Mine is just a prayer to Benoit.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>
> I think maybe your prayers are being answered :)
>
> https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/-/commit/3ccbc7281e16b6bcd0ae97ba05f32538e02b4d8d
>
> Wishing well
> BruceS
>

??

Regards
Gianluigi
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From dosida at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 20:15:44 2021
From: dosida at gmail.com (Dimitris Anogiatis)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 12:15:44 -0600
Subject: [Gambas-user] any example of socket ?
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Message-ID: <CACMvmEAws=88E6RkxyAn5jUYJKmjOZW-8GOQ+xR=LW8gWzJ99Q@mail.gmail.com>

There should also be plenty of code on the Software farm also. You could
find lots of code and inspiration for what you want to do there too.

Keep Up the good work :)

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 3:44 AM Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 at 04:25, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> El jue, 1 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 15:23, Beno?t Minisini
>> (g4mba5 at gmail.com) escribi?:
>> >
>> > Le 01/04/2021 ? 17:15, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit :
>> > > i cannot find the examples behavour in the gambas ide.. was removed..
>> > > now i canot find the socket example..
>> > >
>> > > any hint (without usage of gui please) for noobs/newbies?
>> >
>> > The examples are available in the software farm.
>>
>> oh noted that i cannot retrieve due networking limits. puff i liked
>> more all offline as older times when all are working perfectly
>
>
> I know you have gambas source code folder as you asked about compiling.
> So look in ...
> gambas/app/examples/Networking
>
>
>
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From d4t4full at gmail.com  Sat Apr  3 04:07:35 2021
From: d4t4full at gmail.com (d4t4full at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2021 23:07:35 -0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] Compilation hangs on QT4 with Ubuntu 18.04.
In-Reply-To: <CALci+FSG6Av7FroA9Srwn-xUsEyaxC=_taDB5mvehOvRs7JxxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9cc98b5a-c8ae-110d-4335-a11b4c994b82@gmail.com>
 <CABuQYCD+7fMddXKjBYePjOaT_A6rWJcc7LsmBeNCgt9TSvdKwA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALci+FSG6Av7FroA9Srwn-xUsEyaxC=_taDB5mvehOvRs7JxxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <df974e55-5060-4647-8f7e-4e23888be383@gmail.com>

(again top posting from my cell)

It was the damned "-j" in make that caused the hangs. It even hung later in the compile-cicle when I disabled QT4 as Bruce suggested.

On a wild hunch, I took the "-j" away and restarted compilation with "./reconf-all", "./configure -C --disable-keyring", and plain old "make". Everything went smooth. Next I "sudo make install" and I now have G3 working from sources.

Brought my old ODBC Tester project back to the VM and connected successfully trough the Internet to a MSSQL server in the office.

I'll try to see what's wrong with MDB under ODBC this weekend, but it seems to have to do with mdb-tools apparently not supporting cursors. Cursors is what I used to get row count.

I developed some time ago a very basic isql-like app in C using what I learnt from Gambas-ODBC. It also fails retrieving data from MDB and AccDB files, yet it works correctly with MSSQL, SQLite, and Firebird.

Again, foul play is suspected from the driver, maybe cursors are all that is missing.

If i get this other app to work with Mdb/Accdb files without breaking the rest, I may be able to make it work on Gambas.

Regards,
zxMarce.

On Apr 1, 2021, 11:48, at 11:48, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com> wrote:
>The ODBC and freeDTS combination is broken in gamas.. there's a active
>threat with that problem and a open issue in gambas bugtracker..
>
>http://gambaswiki.org/bugtracker/edit?object=BUG.1324&from=L21haW4-
>
>While (rs.Available) ' <--- NERE receive null
>Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>
>Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>
>
>El mar, 30 de mar. de 2021 a la(s) 10:37, Bruce Steers
>(bsteers4 at gmail.com)
>escribi?:
>
>> if 18.04 has qt5 then you could disable qt4 at ./configure
>>
>> ./configure -C --disable-keyring --disable-qt4
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at 03:13, ML <d4t4full at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>> Spent last weekend trying to revive the 20GB VirtualVox VM that I
>set up
>>> and used to patch gb.db.odbc several years ago (from SVN!).
>>> Long story short, I had to switch it from Ubuntu 16.04 32bit to
>Ubuntu
>>> 18.04 64bit; so pretty much had to recreate it.
>>> This last step obliterated the Firebird setup I created to fix row
>count
>>> on it, but I'm confident I can get it back up.
>>>
>>> I had to refork my copy of Gambas in GitLab too, thanks to not
>having
>>> re-synced it for quite some time...
>>> In doing this, I set up the "dual remote repo" recommended in the
>new
>>> CONTRIBUTING file and Wiki to have the repos easily synced.
>>>
>>> (just in case, the pages I read are
>http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/install
>>> and http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/howto/contribute)
>>>
>>> Also got unixODBC and all its glory -and gory- bits installed, along
>>> with FreeTDS for astonishing MSSQL connectivity.
>>>
>>> Then, I got to the gambas workflow: "sudo apt install
><dependencies>",
>>> "./reconf-all", "./configure -C --disable-keyring", you know: the
>works.
>>>
>>> Next I proceeded with "make -j" as said in the wiki. It all went
>nice
>>> and easy until it got to (try to) compile the QT4 components.
>>> This step simply hangs the whole Virtual Machine. Not even the mouse
>>> pointer responds. Dead as a brick. Have to hit RESET on VirtualBox
>to
>>> restart it.
>>> In doing this compilation, it does get through a bunch of QT4 stuff,
>but
>>> it always get to some component or another and just freezes. Tried 4
>or
>>> 5 times.
>>> Not always freezes on the same component, and subsequent attempts to
>>> compile even skip modules already compiled (expected). But again
>dies
>>> processing QT4.
>>>
>>> Searched the interwebs, but could not get to a reasonable response
>or
>>> reason as to why this happens, much less a solution.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a clue as to why this may happen and, maybe, how to
>>> solve it?
>>>
>>> TIA,
>>> zxMarce.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>>
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Sun Apr  4 00:23:41 2021
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 01:23:41 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] Compilation hangs on QT4 with Ubuntu 18.04.
In-Reply-To: <df974e55-5060-4647-8f7e-4e23888be383@gmail.com>
References: <9cc98b5a-c8ae-110d-4335-a11b4c994b82@gmail.com>
 <CABuQYCD+7fMddXKjBYePjOaT_A6rWJcc7LsmBeNCgt9TSvdKwA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFJMe7Rnjne1TKutd1FdkCNgcmuhyT5BaND+OEr=g0tSuu4Xyw@mail.gmail.com>

It was the damned "-j" in make that caused the hangs.
>

That would be very odd as it only divides the tasks for multiple threads. I
guess you changed something else, but noticed only that..?


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From isafiur at gmail.com  Sun Apr  4 12:02:04 2021
From: isafiur at gmail.com (Safiur Rahman)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 15:47:04 +0545
Subject: [Gambas-user] WebComboBox issue
Message-ID: <CADKn0T+RYVg=08FNMEnQfvCPUUibgON+kYVfFEcV2GEbRcNPcA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Beno?t

When WebComboBox's ReadOnly property is False and I select an item
from its list then text is not changed on first click when using
browser from android mobiles/tablets. I have to select the same item
two times to change the text. However this problem is not there in
desktops/laptops.

-- 
Regards
Safiur Rahman

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Sun Apr  4 12:22:52 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 12:22:52 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] WebComboBox issue
In-Reply-To: <CADKn0T+RYVg=08FNMEnQfvCPUUibgON+kYVfFEcV2GEbRcNPcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADKn0T+RYVg=08FNMEnQfvCPUUibgON+kYVfFEcV2GEbRcNPcA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e46375f7-12da-41ed-d70c-4b463692ad92@gmail.com>

Le 04/04/2021 ? 12:02, Safiur Rahman a ?crit?:
> Hi Beno?t
> 
> When WebComboBox's ReadOnly property is False and I select an item
> from its list then text is not changed on first click when using
> browser from android mobiles/tablets. I have to select the same item
> two times to change the text. However this problem is not there in
> desktops/laptops.
> 

Ouch, I have no smartphone or tablet to test. Which browser do you use 
exactly?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From kicking177 at gmail.com  Sun Apr  4 12:23:43 2021
From: kicking177 at gmail.com (KKing)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 11:23:43 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Compilation hangs on QT4 with Ubuntu 18.04.
Message-ID: <9d9cd2f3-c607-eec4-d92b-9cf30e02b055@gmail.com>

thanks @zxMarce

I don't think there is a huge impetus to make mdbtools a fully 
functioning sql engine so cursors may well not be built in or planned. 
Most of the efforts seem to be around allowing extraction of data from 
mdb or accdb to allow transfer to other systems. Maybe for gambas 
mdbtools "we" could make use of separate initial call of e.g.
 ??? select COUNT(*) from Shippers
to get a record count... that works, though unfortunately
 ??? select COUNT(*) from Shippers where CompanyName Like '%Pack%'
currently does not. There is a bug raised for on mdbtools as issue #251 
for this
possibly OTT but
 ??? select * from Shippers where CompanyName Like '%Pack%'
does currently work, so could loop through all of records (and store) to 
get count first and then return the records?

Also bear in mind most distro's are shipping 0.9.1 whereas there are 
definite improvements in 0.9.2 and 0.9.3 Beta 1 on
https://github.com/mdbtools/

K.



From isafiur at gmail.com  Sun Apr  4 14:12:34 2021
From: isafiur at gmail.com (Safiur Rahman)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 17:57:34 +0545
Subject: [Gambas-user] WebComboBox issue
In-Reply-To: <CADKn0T+RYVg=08FNMEnQfvCPUUibgON+kYVfFEcV2GEbRcNPcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADKn0T+RYVg=08FNMEnQfvCPUUibgON+kYVfFEcV2GEbRcNPcA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADKn0TLj_ao9qfy5Th8R753cbDpf5mcptAtzqzb2882V7kHEtQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Beno?t

I checked in both Google chrome and Opera Mini in android and got the
same problem.



On 4/4/21, Safiur Rahman <isafiur at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Beno?t
>
> When WebComboBox's ReadOnly property is False and I select an item
> from its list then text is not changed on first click when using
> browser from android mobiles/tablets. I have to select the same item
> two times to change the text. However this problem is not there in
> desktops/laptops.
>
> --
> Regards
> Safiur Rahman
>


-- 
Regards
Safiur Rahman

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Sun Apr  4 15:15:06 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 15:15:06 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] ODBC component fixing
Message-ID: <0873b1d6-d3d6-2f84-56bc-1d420151fbdc@gmail.com>

This is mainly a question for zxMarce:

I am currently writing the upcoming 3.16 changelog. When do you think 
that the ODBC component can be fixed, to know if I can put it in the 
3.16.0 release.

Thanks for your answer!

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From d4t4full at gmail.com  Sun Apr  4 22:48:10 2021
From: d4t4full at gmail.com (d4t4full at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2021 17:48:10 -0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] ODBC component fixing
In-Reply-To: <0873b1d6-d3d6-2f84-56bc-1d420151fbdc@gmail.com>
References: <0873b1d6-d3d6-2f84-56bc-1d420151fbdc@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a3b8e33c-61fb-46e2-bba8-74d7ad0bcc62@gmail.com>

Beno?t,

Trying as hard as I can.
I may have found a problem already, but no solution yet.

There's a place where a SQLFetchScroll() is used instead of SQLFetch(), but replacing it made the component fail differently.

The difference, obviously, is because the use of MDBTools. It does not support cursors, so no record counting.

I'll compare the ODBC calls in my isql-like app against the ones used in Gambas. Maybe something is missing or should not be there.

Maybe a week or so if I'm lucky.

Regards,
zxMarce.


On Apr 4, 2021, 10:16, at 10:16, "Beno?t Minisini" <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:
>This is mainly a question for zxMarce:
>
>I am currently writing the upcoming 3.16 changelog. When do you think 
>that the ODBC component can be fixed, to know if I can put it in the 
>3.16.0 release.
>
>Thanks for your answer!
>
>-- 
>Beno?t Minisini
>
>----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Sun Apr  4 23:27:39 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 23:27:39 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] ODBC component fixing
In-Reply-To: <a3b8e33c-61fb-46e2-bba8-74d7ad0bcc62@gmail.com>
References: <0873b1d6-d3d6-2f84-56bc-1d420151fbdc@gmail.com>
 <a3b8e33c-61fb-46e2-bba8-74d7ad0bcc62@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c9f3e5d5-77c1-c1a9-f3b2-68e4525e2508@gmail.com>

Le 04/04/2021 ? 22:48, d4t4full at gmail.com a ?crit?:
> Beno?t,
> 
> Trying as hard as I can.

Don't be in a hurry. If you don't find now, I will release a 3.16.1 with 
the fix.

> I may have found a problem already, but no solution yet.
> 
> There's a place where a *SQLFetchScroll()* is used instead of 
> *SQLFetch()*, but replacing it made the component fail differently.
> 
> The difference, obviously, is because the use of MDBTools. It does not 
> support cursors, so no record counting.
> 
> I'll compare the ODBC calls in my isql-like app against the ones used in 
> Gambas. Maybe something is missing or should not be there.

At worst, you can make 'gb.odbc' adapt its behaviour if a mdb connection 
is detected. When ODBC is horrible, dirty hacks are allowed. :-)

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Mon Apr  5 02:32:10 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 20:32:10 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] ODBC component fixing
In-Reply-To: <c9f3e5d5-77c1-c1a9-f3b2-68e4525e2508@gmail.com>
References: <0873b1d6-d3d6-2f84-56bc-1d420151fbdc@gmail.com>
 <a3b8e33c-61fb-46e2-bba8-74d7ad0bcc62@gmail.com>
 <c9f3e5d5-77c1-c1a9-f3b2-68e4525e2508@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALci+FQcBW+53JAWCuaoE-maH80xV2b7Ra9noYGpjDrz-L__eQ@mail.gmail.com>

zxMarce i requested a virtual machine to test against sybase DB .. maybe
tomorrow will have a response to you..

ODBC standar does not support cursor in principe.. neither count.. in fact
some ODBC adapters just count in low level the results using subquerys.. a
dirty hack ..

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com


El dom, 4 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 17:28, Beno?t Minisini (g4mba5 at gmail.com)
escribi?:

> Le 04/04/2021 ? 22:48, d4t4full at gmail.com a ?crit :
> > Beno?t,
> >
> > Trying as hard as I can.
>
> Don't be in a hurry. If you don't find now, I will release a 3.16.1 with
> the fix.
>
> > I may have found a problem already, but no solution yet.
> >
> > There's a place where a *SQLFetchScroll()* is used instead of
> > *SQLFetch()*, but replacing it made the component fail differently.
> >
> > The difference, obviously, is because the use of MDBTools. It does not
> > support cursors, so no record counting.
> >
> > I'll compare the ODBC calls in my isql-like app against the ones used in
> > Gambas. Maybe something is missing or should not be there.
>
> At worst, you can make 'gb.odbc' adapt its behaviour if a mdb connection
> is detected. When ODBC is horrible, dirty hacks are allowed. :-)
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Tue Apr  6 22:33:55 2021
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 13:33:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Gambas-user] ODBC Access crash
Message-ID: <1288239358.19303.1617741235317.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>

Hi, 
I noticed talks regarding using odbc and access, I have an application that is used in care homes and written completely in ms access. 
I am trying to convert it to gambas. and having an issue the causes the gambas virtual machine to crash. 
I would like to test the app against the existing databases, before switching over to mysql. 
When I setup a connection, it displays all the tables, but as soon as I click on a table the IDE exits immediately! 

Using unixOdbc 2.3.6 and MDBTools 0.7.1 

I have attached the the mail encoded project. 

Any help or pointers would be very much appreciated! 

I am doing the following in this test program: 

Public Sub Main() 
Dim Statement As String = "Select FirstName from ClientList" 
ODBC_OPEN("CLIENT_INFORMATION_MANAGER") 
V_OD_erg = SQLAllocHandle(SQL_HANDLE_STMT, V_OD_hdbc, VarPtr(V_OD_hstmt)) 
Print V_OD_erg 

V_OD_erg = SQLBindCol(V_OD_hstmt, 1, SQL_C_CHAR, FirstName, 200, VarPtr(V_OD_err)) 
Print V_OD_erg 
V_OD_erg = SQLExecDirect(V_OD_hstmt, Statement, Statement.len) ' <---- this causes the gambas interpreter to crash 
Print V_OD_erg 
odbc_Close() 
Print "All Done" 

End 
"Failure is the key to success; 
each mistake teaches us something" .. Morihei Ueshiba 
Brian G 
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From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Tue Apr  6 23:26:19 2021
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 14:26:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Gambas-user] ODBC Access crash
In-Reply-To: <1288239358.19303.1617741235317.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
References: <1288239358.19303.1617741235317.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
Message-ID: <965463605.19399.1617744379348.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>

Here is the archive... 

But I found my error lol.... wrong length for the handle for statements! That after I recompiled the odbcUnix source and installed, It then told me the handle was invalid... the default version caused the interpreter to crash.. lol. 

"Failure is the key to success; 
each mistake teaches us something" .. Morihei Ueshiba 
Brian G 

----- On Apr 6, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Brian <brian at westwoodsvcs.com> wrote: 

> Hi,
> I noticed talks regarding using odbc and access, I have an application that is
> used in care homes and written completely in ms access.
> I am trying to convert it to gambas. and having an issue the causes the gambas
> virtual machine to crash.
> I would like to test the app against the existing databases, before switching
> over to mysql.
> When I setup a connection, it displays all the tables, but as soon as I click on
> a table the IDE exits immediately!

> Using unixOdbc 2.3.6 and MDBTools 0.7.1

> I have attached the the mail encoded project.

> Any help or pointers would be very much appreciated!

> I am doing the following in this test program:

> Public Sub Main()
> Dim Statement As String = "Select FirstName from ClientList"
> ODBC_OPEN("CLIENT_INFORMATION_MANAGER")
> V_OD_erg = SQLAllocHandle(SQL_HANDLE_STMT, V_OD_hdbc, VarPtr(V_OD_hstmt))
> Print V_OD_erg

> V_OD_erg = SQLBindCol(V_OD_hstmt, 1, SQL_C_CHAR, FirstName, 200,
> VarPtr(V_OD_err))
> Print V_OD_erg
> V_OD_erg = SQLExecDirect(V_OD_hstmt, Statement, Statement.len) ' <---- this
> causes the gambas interpreter to crash
> Print V_OD_erg
> odbc_Close()
> Print "All Done"

> End
> "Failure is the key to success;
> each mistake teaches us something" .. Morihei Ueshiba
> Brian G

> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Wed Apr  7 10:51:05 2021
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 10:51:05 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Make String class friendlier
Message-ID: <2a5178c0-9676-fa3d-8a47-b2d3399ad325@belmotek.net>

Hi.

It would be interesting that in gambas we could operate the text strings 
as in javascript, don't you think? that is, it will access all the 
methods and properties of a chain using the dot operator and not only to 
.Len property.

it's just a suggestion

Regards.

Martin.

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From kicking177 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  7 11:24:15 2021
From: kicking177 at gmail.com (KKing)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 10:24:15 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] ODBC Access crash
Message-ID: <c60ddd5e-9953-9c98-53c3-a09cb29357af@gmail.com>

Hi Brian,
Just curious, what is the basis of your syntax?
I'm not saying one way better than another but I would have expected 
something more along lines of
<<
 ? Dim $con As New Connection
 ? Dim intCount As Integer
 ? Dim rs As Result
 ? Dim $ExecCmd As String

 ? Try $con.Close()
 ? $con.Type = "odbc"
 ? $con.Host = "CLIENT_INFORMATION_MANAGER"
 ? $con.Open()

 ? $ExecCmd = "Select FirstName from ClientList "

 ? rs = $con.Exec($ExecCmd)

 ? intCount = rs.Count

 ? While (rs.Available)
 ??? Print "V_OD_erg:" & rs!FirstName
 ??? rs.MoveNext
 ? Wend

<<


From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  7 13:03:31 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 13:03:31 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Make String class friendlier
In-Reply-To: <2a5178c0-9676-fa3d-8a47-b2d3399ad325@belmotek.net>
References: <2a5178c0-9676-fa3d-8a47-b2d3399ad325@belmotek.net>
Message-ID: <6c72b288-038f-ac75-7eed-3e51597381d5@gmail.com>

Le 07/04/2021 ? 10:51, Martin a ?crit?:
> Hi.
> 
> It would be interesting that in gambas we could operate the text strings 
> as in javascript, don't you think? that is, it will access all the 
> methods and properties of a chain using the dot operator and not only to 
> .Len property.
> 
> it's just a suggestion
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Martin.
> 

I stopped at .Len(), because making String a pseudo-object needs support 
for the interpreter, and it makes things slower. But that was the idea.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Wed Apr  7 17:11:59 2021
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 17:11:59 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Make String class friendlier
In-Reply-To: <6c72b288-038f-ac75-7eed-3e51597381d5@gmail.com>
References: <2a5178c0-9676-fa3d-8a47-b2d3399ad325@belmotek.net>
 <6c72b288-038f-ac75-7eed-3e51597381d5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c426eca8-c42a-6dc2-8469-5d56b8c92f32@belmotek.net>

ok, I do not know the scope that something like this can have in the 
performance of the interpreter, but I leave an example of an independent 
class that works in the way I say except that it must be defined as "AS New"

in some form...

'------------------------------------------------------------------------

Public Sub Form_Open()

 ? Dim text As New Chain

 ? text.Text = "gambas"

 ? Print text.Text
 ? Print text.ToUpper

End

'------------------------------------------------------------------------

... then the class

'------------------------------------------------------------------------
Export

Private textValue As String

Property Read ToUpper As String

Property Text As String

Private Sub Text_Write(Value As String)

 ? textValue = Value

End

Private Function ToUpper_Read() As String

 ? Return Upper(TextValue)

End

Private Function Text_Read() As String

 ? Return TextValue

End

'------------------------------------------------------------------------

Regards

El 7/4/21 a las 13:03, Beno?t Minisini escribi?:
> Le 07/04/2021 ? 10:51, Martin a ?crit?:
>> Hi.
>>
>> It would be interesting that in gambas we could operate the text 
>> strings as in javascript, don't you think? that is, it will access 
>> all the methods and properties of a chain using the dot operator and 
>> not only to .Len property.
>>
>> it's just a suggestion
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Martin.
>>
>
> I stopped at .Len(), because making String a pseudo-object needs 
> support for the interpreter, and it makes things slower. But that was 
> the idea.
>
> Regards,
>

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  7 17:24:43 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 17:24:43 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Make String class friendlier
In-Reply-To: <c426eca8-c42a-6dc2-8469-5d56b8c92f32@belmotek.net>
References: <2a5178c0-9676-fa3d-8a47-b2d3399ad325@belmotek.net>
 <6c72b288-038f-ac75-7eed-3e51597381d5@gmail.com>
 <c426eca8-c42a-6dc2-8469-5d56b8c92f32@belmotek.net>
Message-ID: <805e4524-49e5-3d9f-29f7-e02a11443fb5@gmail.com>

Le 07/04/2021 ? 17:11, Martin a ?crit?:
> ok, I do not know the scope that something like this can have in the 
> performance of the interpreter, but I leave an example of an independent 
> class that works in the way I say except that it must be defined as "AS 
> New"
> 
> in some form...
> 

String being not objects allows many performance optimizations on memory 
allocations.

For example:

* Left(), Mid(), Right(), Trim() do not allocate memory.

* A &= B does not use an intermediate allocation most of the time.

* Strings have their own allocator, so that the glic memory allocator is 
avoided most of the time.

This make string management in Gambas fast, often faster than many other 
languages (see the benchmarks on the wiki).

Making String use an object syntax without performance penalty would 
need a big support of the compiler instead of interpreter support, so 
that the object syntax is rewritten into the old one before being 
compiled. It won't be done now!

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Wed Apr  7 18:05:57 2021
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 18:05:57 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Make String class friendlier
In-Reply-To: <805e4524-49e5-3d9f-29f7-e02a11443fb5@gmail.com>
References: <2a5178c0-9676-fa3d-8a47-b2d3399ad325@belmotek.net>
 <6c72b288-038f-ac75-7eed-3e51597381d5@gmail.com>
 <c426eca8-c42a-6dc2-8469-5d56b8c92f32@belmotek.net>
 <805e4524-49e5-3d9f-29f7-e02a11443fb5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <73068b98-2def-0c1f-65a6-188a3c18e0a1@belmotek.net>

ok I understand.

So, if I want to extend the class String as Chain, for example, I use 
the instruction "Inherits String" but then when I create a Variable I 
must define it like "As New Chain" but String is just defined like "As 
String".

How I can give to the Chain.class the same behavior than String.class ?

Regards.

Mart?n.

El 7/4/21 a las 17:24, Beno?t Minisini escribi?:
> Le 07/04/2021 ? 17:11, Martin a ?crit?:
>> ok, I do not know the scope that something like this can have in the 
>> performance of the interpreter, but I leave an example of an 
>> independent class that works in the way I say except that it must be 
>> defined as "AS New"
>>
>> in some form...
>>
>
> String being not objects allows many performance optimizations on 
> memory allocations.
>
> For example:
>
> * Left(), Mid(), Right(), Trim() do not allocate memory.
>
> * A &= B does not use an intermediate allocation most of the time.
>
> * Strings have their own allocator, so that the glic memory allocator 
> is avoided most of the time.
>
> This make string management in Gambas fast, often faster than many 
> other languages (see the benchmarks on the wiki).
>
> Making String use an object syntax without performance penalty would 
> need a big support of the compiler instead of interpreter support, so 
> that the object syntax is rewritten into the old one before being 
> compiled. It won't be done now!
>
> Regards,
>

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  7 18:15:53 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 18:15:53 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Make String class friendlier
In-Reply-To: <73068b98-2def-0c1f-65a6-188a3c18e0a1@belmotek.net>
References: <2a5178c0-9676-fa3d-8a47-b2d3399ad325@belmotek.net>
 <6c72b288-038f-ac75-7eed-3e51597381d5@gmail.com>
 <c426eca8-c42a-6dc2-8469-5d56b8c92f32@belmotek.net>
 <805e4524-49e5-3d9f-29f7-e02a11443fb5@gmail.com>
 <73068b98-2def-0c1f-65a6-188a3c18e0a1@belmotek.net>
Message-ID: <7d7fdb38-21a1-5a30-fe15-0f87abf616f6@gmail.com>

Le 07/04/2021 ? 18:05, Martin a ?crit?:
> ok I understand.

I'm not sure when I read what follows...

> 
> So, if I want to extend the class String as Chain, for example, I use 
> the instruction "Inherits String" but then when I create a Variable I 
> must define it like "As New Chain" but String is just defined like "As 
> String".
> 
> How I can give to the Chain.class the same behavior than String.class ?
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Mart?n.
> 

You can't.

String is a static class for UTF-8 methods. There is no String class 
that generates objects that would be strings.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Wed Apr  7 18:24:15 2021
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 09:24:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Gambas-user] ODBC Access crash
In-Reply-To: <c60ddd5e-9953-9c98-53c3-a09cb29357af@gmail.com>
References: <c60ddd5e-9953-9c98-53c3-a09cb29357af@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1409789805.19645.1617812655126.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>

Making direct calls to the odbc drivers, I have been trying different drivers for access and they were doing things i did not understand. In the end will us gambas component.
Easysoft looks to work, but has issues on the disconnect, mdbTools driver only good for extraction, 'where' does not really work well and returns numbers as text strings, devsoft version just crashes all over.

Count seems to be wrong, -1 for easy soft and 0 for the mdbTools driver, But I think that is being worked on.
Maybe someone can recommend a better access backend driver.

It was the latest odbc thread that got me thinking about doing an update to the software in gambas. I looked at it a few years ago but it got sidelined to other things.

Looks like in the end inter-opt with my existing databases clients may not be possible in an easy way. Probably just write something to convert everything. big job!!!

If your interested here is the more complete test program I am using:

' Gambas module file

'typedef void *                  SQLHANDLE;
'typedef SQLHANDLE               SQLHENV;

Public Const SQL_ATTR_ODBC_VERSION As Integer = 200
Public SQL_OV_ODBC2 As Long = 2 ' supposed to be unsigned
Public SQL_OV_ODBC3 As Long = 3 ' supposed to be unsigned

Public Const SQL_C_BINARY As Integer = -2
Public Const SQL_C_BIT As Integer = -7
Public Const SQL_C_TINYINT As Integer = -6
Public Const SQL_C_CHAR As Integer = 1                               '/ * CHAR, VARCHAR, DECIMAL, NUMERIC * /
Public Const SQL_C_LONG As Integer = 4                               '/ * INTEGER * /
Public Const SQL_C_SHORT As Integer = 5                              '/ * SMALLINT * /
Public Const SQL_C_FLOAT As Integer = 7                              '/ * REAL * /
Public Const SQL_C_DOUBLE As Integer = 8                             '/ * FLOAT, DOUBLE * /
Public Const SQL_C_NUMERIC As Integer = 2
Public Const SQL_C_DEFAULT As Integer = 99
' #define SQL_UNKNOWN_TYPE 0
' #define SQL_CHAR 1
' #define SQL_NUMERIC 2
' #define SQL_DECIMAL 3
' #define SQL_INTEGER 4
' #define SQL_SMALLINT 5
' #define SQL_FLOAT 6
' #define SQL_REAL 7
' #define SQL_DOUBLE 8
' #define SQL_DATETIME 9
' #define SQL_VARCHAR 12

Public Const SQL_SUCCESS As Integer = 0
Public Const SQL_SUCCESS_WITH_INFO As Integer = 1
Public Const SQL_ERROR As Integer = -1
Public Const SQL_INVALID_HANDLE As Integer = -2
Public Const SQL_STILL_EXECUTING As Integer = 2
Public Error_table As Collection = [Str(SQL_SUCCESS): "Success", Str(SQL_SUCCESS_WITH_INFO): "Success with info", Str(SQL_ERROR): "Error", Str(SQL_STILL_EXECUTING): "Still Executing", 
                                    Str(SQL_INVALID_HANDLE): "Invalid Handle"]

Public Const SQL_LOGIN_TIMEOUT As Integer = 103

Public Const SQL_NTS As Short = -3
Public Const SQL_NO_DATA As Integer = 100

Public Const SQL_HANDLE_ENV As Integer = 1
Public Const SQL_HANDLE_DBC As Integer = 2
Public Const SQL_HANDLE_STMT As Integer = 3
Public Const SQL_HANDLE_DESC As Integer = 4

Public Const SQL_NULL_HANDLE As Long = 0
Public SQLHANDLE As Pointer = 0
Public V_OD_Env As Pointer = 0
Public V_OD_erg As Integer = 0 
Public V_OD_err As Integer = 0
Public V_OD_hdbc As Pointer = 0
Public V_OD_hstmt As Pointer = 0
Public V_OD_htables As Pointer = 0
Public V_OD_STAT As Pointer = Alloc(10)
Public V_OD_msg As Pointer = Alloc(100)
Public V_OD_mlen As Integer = 0
Public V_OD_colanz As Integer = 0
Public V_OD_rowanz As Integer = 0

Public ClientID As Pointer = Alloc(16)
Public FirstName As Pointer = Alloc(200)
Public LastName As Pointer = Alloc(200)

Extern SQLAllocHandle(HandleType As Integer, SQL_INPUT_HANDLE As Long, SQL_OUPUT_HANDLE As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
Extern SQLSetEnvAttr(EnvironmentHandle As Pointer, Attribute As Integer, ValuePtr As Pointer, StringLength As Integer) As Long In "libodbc"
Extern SQLSetConnectAttr(ConnectionHandle As Pointer, Attribute As Integer, ValuePtr As Pointer, StringLength As Integer) As Long In "libodbc"
Extern SQLConnect(ConnectionHandle As Pointer, ServerName As String, NameLength1 As Short, UserName As String, NameLength2 As Short, Authentication As String, NameLength3 As Short) As Long In "libodbc"
Extern SQLDisconnect(ConnectionHandle As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
Extern SQLFreeHandle(HandleType As Integer, InputHandle As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
Extern SQLExecDirect(Handle As Pointer, Statement As String, TextLength As Short) As Long In "libodbc"
Extern SQLBindCol(StatementHandle As Pointer, column As Short, TargetType As Short, TargetValPtr As Pointer, bufferLen As Integer, Strlen_or_indPtr As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
Extern SQLGetDiagRec(HandleType As Integer, HandlePtr As Pointer, RecordNumber As Short, SQLSTATE As Pointer, NativeErrorPtr As Pointer, MessageText As Pointer, BufferLen As Short, TextLengthPtr As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
Extern SQLNumResultCols(StatementHandle As Pointer, NumCols As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
Extern SQLRowCount(StatementHandle As Pointer, NumRow As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
Extern SQLFetch(StatementHandle As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
Extern SQLTables(StaementHandle As Pointer, CatalogName As String, NameLength1 As Short, SchemaName As String, NameLength2 As Short, TableName As String, NameLength3 As Short, TableType As String, NameLength4 As Short) As Long In "libodbc"


Public Sub Main()
 Dim Statement As String = "Select RefererenceNumber,LastName,FirstName from ClientList"
 'ODBC_OPEN("CLIENT_INFORMATION_MANAGER") 'Use mdbTools driver
  ODBC_OPEN("ACCESS_SAMPLE")              'Use Easy Soft driver
 
   V_OD_erg = SQLAllocHandle(SQL_HANDLE_STMT, V_OD_hdbc, VarPtr(V_OD_hstmt))
   Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
   V_OD_erg = SQLAllocHandle(SQL_HANDLE_STMT, V_OD_hdbc, VarPtr(V_OD_htables))
   Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
   
 V_OD_erg = SQLBindCol(V_OD_hstmt, 1, SQL_C_LONG, ClientID, 16, VarPtr(V_OD_err))
 V_OD_erg = SQLBindCol(V_OD_hstmt, 2, SQL_C_CHAR, LastName, 200, VarPtr(V_OD_err))
 V_OD_erg = SQLBindCol(V_OD_hstmt, 3, SQL_C_CHAR, FirstName, 200, VarPtr(V_OD_err))
   Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
   
 V_OD_erg = SQLExecDirect(V_OD_hstmt, Statement, Statement.len)
  If V_OD_erg <> SQL_SUCCESS And If V_OD_erg <> SQL_SUCCESS_WITH_INFO Then
            Dim recno As Integer = 1
            Print "Select Failed = "; Error_table[V_OD_erg];;
            SQLGetDiagRec(SQL_HANDLE_DBC, V_OD_hdbc, 1, V_OD_stat, VarPtr(V_OD_err), V_OD_msg, 100, VarPtr(V_OD_mlen))
            Print String@(V_OD_msg)
            odbc_Close()
            Quit 1
   Else 
            Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
   Endif 
   
   V_OD_erg = SQLNumResultCols(V_OD_hstmt, VarPtr(V_OD_colanz))
   Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg];; "Cols="; V_OD_colanz
   V_OD_erg = SQLRowCount(V_OD_hstmt, VarPtr(V_OD_rowanz))
    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg];; "Rows="; V_OD_rowanz
    
    While SQLFetch(V_OD_hstmt) = SQL_SUCCESS
      'Print string@(ClientId);; String@(LastName); ","; String@(FirstName)   ' mdbTools driver
      Print Long@(ClientId);; String@(LastName); ","; String@(FirstName)      ' easy soft driver
    Wend
    
    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
   V_OD_erg = SQLTables(V_OD_htables, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0)
     V_OD_erg = SQLNumResultCols(V_OD_htables, VarPtr(V_OD_colanz))
   Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg];; "Cols="; V_OD_colanz
   V_OD_erg = SQLRowCount(V_OD_htables, VarPtr(V_OD_rowanz))
    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg];; "Rows="; V_OD_rowanz
    
 odbc_Close()
    
 Print "All Done"

End

Public Sub ODBC_OPEN(DataBase As String)
    
   V_OD_erg = SQLAllocHandle(SQL_HANDLE_ENV, SQL_NULL_HANDLE, VarPtr(V_OD_Env))
   Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
   V_OD_erg = SQLSetEnvAttr(V_OD_Env, SQL_ATTR_ODBC_VERSION, SQL_OV_ODBC3, 0)
   Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
   V_OD_erg = SQLAllocHandle(SQL_HANDLE_DBC, V_OD_Env, VarPtr(V_OD_hdbc))
   Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
   V_OD_erg = SQLSetConnectAttr(V_OD_hdbc, SQL_LOGIN_TIMEOUT, 5, 0)
   Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
   V_OD_erg = SQLConnect(V_OD_hdbc, DataBase, Database.len, "", 0, "", 0)
   If V_OD_erg <> SQL_SUCCESS And If V_OD_erg <> SQL_SUCCESS_WITH_INFO Then
            Dim recno As Integer = 1
            While SQLGetDiagRec(SQL_HANDLE_DBC, V_OD_hdbc, recno, V_OD_stat, VarPtr(V_OD_err), V_OD_msg, 100, VarPtr(V_OD_mlen)) <> SQL_NO_DATA
                Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg];; String@(V_OD_msg)
                Inc recno
            Wend 
   Else 
            Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
   Endif 
    
End

Public Sub odbc_Close()
    V_OD_erg = SQLFreeHandle(SQL_HANDLE_STMT, V_OD_HTABLES)
    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
    V_OD_erg = SQLFreeHandle(SQL_HANDLE_STMT, V_OD_HSTMT)
    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
    V_OD_erg = SQLDisconnect(V_OD_HDBC)
    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
    V_OD_erg = SQLFreeHandle(SQL_HANDLE_DBC, V_OD_HDBC)
    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
    V_OD_erg = SQLFreeHandle(SQL_HANDLE_ENV, V_OD_Env)
    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
    
End


"Failure is the key to success; 
 each mistake teaches us something"  .. Morihei Ueshiba
Brian G

----- On Apr 7, 2021, at 2:24 AM, KKing kicking177 at gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Brian,
> Just curious, what is the basis of your syntax?
> I'm not saying one way better than another but I would have expected
> something more along lines of
> <<
> ? Dim $con As New Connection
> ? Dim intCount As Integer
> ? Dim rs As Result
> ? Dim $ExecCmd As String
> 
> ? Try $con.Close()
> ? $con.Type = "odbc"
> ? $con.Host = "CLIENT_INFORMATION_MANAGER"
> ? $con.Open()
> 
> ? $ExecCmd = "Select FirstName from ClientList "
> 
> ? rs = $con.Exec($ExecCmd)
> 
> ? intCount = rs.Count
> 
> ? While (rs.Available)
> ??? Print "V_OD_erg:" & rs!FirstName
> ??? rs.MoveNext
> ? Wend
> 
> <<
> 
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

From kicking177 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  7 18:56:25 2021
From: kicking177 at gmail.com (KKing)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 17:56:25 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] ODBC Access crash
Message-ID: <bd497181-ae3d-f0b1-a7d5-dc03fe47e3ab@gmail.com>

mdbtools did seem to stagnate for a long while, but there are a couple 
of guys definitely progressing it recently so strongly recommend 
compiling from source, especially if you are only using 0.7.1.
I have a big interest in this, but currently being pulled in other 
directions.


From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Wed Apr  7 19:16:29 2021
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 20:16:29 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] Make String class friendlier
In-Reply-To: <73068b98-2def-0c1f-65a6-188a3c18e0a1@belmotek.net>
References: <2a5178c0-9676-fa3d-8a47-b2d3399ad325@belmotek.net>
 <6c72b288-038f-ac75-7eed-3e51597381d5@gmail.com>
 <c426eca8-c42a-6dc2-8469-5d56b8c92f32@belmotek.net>
 <805e4524-49e5-3d9f-29f7-e02a11443fb5@gmail.com>
 <73068b98-2def-0c1f-65a6-188a3c18e0a1@belmotek.net>
Message-ID: <CAFJMe7Tuq8E+mL_OPtu4EOZvCEAjUJ0SbE+nZ99fNhCD8dk7_g@mail.gmail.com>

What exactly is the problem in using the "new" keyword?

Jussi

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 7:06 PM Martin <mbelmonte at belmotek.net> wrote:

> ok I understand.
>
> So, if I want to extend the class String as Chain, for example, I use
> the instruction "Inherits String" but then when I create a Variable I
> must define it like "As New Chain" but String is just defined like "As
> String".
>
> How I can give to the Chain.class the same behavior than String.class ?
>
> Regards.
>
> Mart?n.
>
> El 7/4/21 a las 17:24, Beno?t Minisini escribi?:
> > Le 07/04/2021 ? 17:11, Martin a ?crit :
> >> ok, I do not know the scope that something like this can have in the
> >> performance of the interpreter, but I leave an example of an
> >> independent class that works in the way I say except that it must be
> >> defined as "AS New"
> >>
> >> in some form...
> >>
> >
> > String being not objects allows many performance optimizations on
> > memory allocations.
> >
> > For example:
> >
> > * Left(), Mid(), Right(), Trim() do not allocate memory.
> >
> > * A &= B does not use an intermediate allocation most of the time.
> >
> > * Strings have their own allocator, so that the glic memory allocator
> > is avoided most of the time.
> >
> > This make string management in Gambas fast, often faster than many
> > other languages (see the benchmarks on the wiki).
> >
> > Making String use an object syntax without performance penalty would
> > need a big support of the compiler instead of interpreter support, so
> > that the object syntax is rewritten into the old one before being
> > compiled. It won't be done now!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From d4t4full at gmail.com  Wed Apr  7 22:30:54 2021
From: d4t4full at gmail.com (ML)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 17:30:54 -0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] ODBC Access crash
In-Reply-To: <1409789805.19645.1617812655126.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
References: <c60ddd5e-9953-9c98-53c3-a09cb29357af@gmail.com>
 <1409789805.19645.1617812655126.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
Message-ID: <9f6cc5db-5ea6-06a2-df9e-e20e9ff6523d@gmail.com>

*On 7/4/21 13:24, Brian G wrote:*
> Making direct calls to the odbc drivers, I have been trying different drivers for access and they were doing things i did not understand. In the end will us gambas component.
> Easysoft looks to work, but has issues on the disconnect, mdbTools driver only good for extraction, 'where' does not really work well and returns numbers as text strings, devsoft version just crashes all over.
>
> Count seems to be wrong, -1 for easy soft and 0 for the mdbTools driver, But I think that is being worked on.
> Maybe someone can recommend a better access backend driver.
>
> It was the latest odbc thread that got me thinking about doing an update to the software in gambas. I looked at it a few years ago but it got sidelined to other things.
>
> Looks like in the end inter-opt with my existing databases clients may not be possible in an easy way. Probably just write something to convert everything. big job!!!
>
> If your interested here is the more complete test program I am using:
>
> ' Gambas module file
>
> 'typedef void *                  SQLHANDLE;
> 'typedef SQLHANDLE               SQLHENV;
>
> Public Const SQL_ATTR_ODBC_VERSION As Integer = 200
> Public SQL_OV_ODBC2 As Long = 2 ' supposed to be unsigned
> Public SQL_OV_ODBC3 As Long = 3 ' supposed to be unsigned
>
> Public Const SQL_C_BINARY As Integer = -2
> Public Const SQL_C_BIT As Integer = -7
> Public Const SQL_C_TINYINT As Integer = -6
> Public Const SQL_C_CHAR As Integer = 1                               '/ * CHAR, VARCHAR, DECIMAL, NUMERIC * /
> Public Const SQL_C_LONG As Integer = 4                               '/ * INTEGER * /
> Public Const SQL_C_SHORT As Integer = 5                              '/ * SMALLINT * /
> Public Const SQL_C_FLOAT As Integer = 7                              '/ * REAL * /
> Public Const SQL_C_DOUBLE As Integer = 8                             '/ * FLOAT, DOUBLE * /
> Public Const SQL_C_NUMERIC As Integer = 2
> Public Const SQL_C_DEFAULT As Integer = 99
> ' #define SQL_UNKNOWN_TYPE 0
> ' #define SQL_CHAR 1
> ' #define SQL_NUMERIC 2
> ' #define SQL_DECIMAL 3
> ' #define SQL_INTEGER 4
> ' #define SQL_SMALLINT 5
> ' #define SQL_FLOAT 6
> ' #define SQL_REAL 7
> ' #define SQL_DOUBLE 8
> ' #define SQL_DATETIME 9
> ' #define SQL_VARCHAR 12
>
> Public Const SQL_SUCCESS As Integer = 0
> Public Const SQL_SUCCESS_WITH_INFO As Integer = 1
> Public Const SQL_ERROR As Integer = -1
> Public Const SQL_INVALID_HANDLE As Integer = -2
> Public Const SQL_STILL_EXECUTING As Integer = 2
> Public Error_table As Collection = [Str(SQL_SUCCESS): "Success", Str(SQL_SUCCESS_WITH_INFO): "Success with info", Str(SQL_ERROR): "Error", Str(SQL_STILL_EXECUTING): "Still Executing", 
>                                     Str(SQL_INVALID_HANDLE): "Invalid Handle"]
>
> Public Const SQL_LOGIN_TIMEOUT As Integer = 103
>
> Public Const SQL_NTS As Short = -3
> Public Const SQL_NO_DATA As Integer = 100
>
> Public Const SQL_HANDLE_ENV As Integer = 1
> Public Const SQL_HANDLE_DBC As Integer = 2
> Public Const SQL_HANDLE_STMT As Integer = 3
> Public Const SQL_HANDLE_DESC As Integer = 4
>
> Public Const SQL_NULL_HANDLE As Long = 0
> Public SQLHANDLE As Pointer = 0
> Public V_OD_Env As Pointer = 0
> Public V_OD_erg As Integer = 0 
> Public V_OD_err As Integer = 0
> Public V_OD_hdbc As Pointer = 0
> Public V_OD_hstmt As Pointer = 0
> Public V_OD_htables As Pointer = 0
> Public V_OD_STAT As Pointer = Alloc(10)
> Public V_OD_msg As Pointer = Alloc(100)
> Public V_OD_mlen As Integer = 0
> Public V_OD_colanz As Integer = 0
> Public V_OD_rowanz As Integer = 0
>
> Public ClientID As Pointer = Alloc(16)
> Public FirstName As Pointer = Alloc(200)
> Public LastName As Pointer = Alloc(200)
>
> Extern SQLAllocHandle(HandleType As Integer, SQL_INPUT_HANDLE As Long, SQL_OUPUT_HANDLE As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
> Extern SQLSetEnvAttr(EnvironmentHandle As Pointer, Attribute As Integer, ValuePtr As Pointer, StringLength As Integer) As Long In "libodbc"
> Extern SQLSetConnectAttr(ConnectionHandle As Pointer, Attribute As Integer, ValuePtr As Pointer, StringLength As Integer) As Long In "libodbc"
> Extern SQLConnect(ConnectionHandle As Pointer, ServerName As String, NameLength1 As Short, UserName As String, NameLength2 As Short, Authentication As String, NameLength3 As Short) As Long In "libodbc"
> Extern SQLDisconnect(ConnectionHandle As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
> Extern SQLFreeHandle(HandleType As Integer, InputHandle As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
> Extern SQLExecDirect(Handle As Pointer, Statement As String, TextLength As Short) As Long In "libodbc"
> Extern SQLBindCol(StatementHandle As Pointer, column As Short, TargetType As Short, TargetValPtr As Pointer, bufferLen As Integer, Strlen_or_indPtr As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
> Extern SQLGetDiagRec(HandleType As Integer, HandlePtr As Pointer, RecordNumber As Short, SQLSTATE As Pointer, NativeErrorPtr As Pointer, MessageText As Pointer, BufferLen As Short, TextLengthPtr As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
> Extern SQLNumResultCols(StatementHandle As Pointer, NumCols As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
> Extern SQLRowCount(StatementHandle As Pointer, NumRow As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
> Extern SQLFetch(StatementHandle As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
> Extern SQLTables(StaementHandle As Pointer, CatalogName As String, NameLength1 As Short, SchemaName As String, NameLength2 As Short, TableName As String, NameLength3 As Short, TableType As String, NameLength4 As Short) As Long In "libodbc"
>
>
> Public Sub Main()
>  Dim Statement As String = "Select RefererenceNumber,LastName,FirstName from ClientList"
>  'ODBC_OPEN("CLIENT_INFORMATION_MANAGER") 'Use mdbTools driver
>   ODBC_OPEN("ACCESS_SAMPLE")              'Use Easy Soft driver
>  
>    V_OD_erg = SQLAllocHandle(SQL_HANDLE_STMT, V_OD_hdbc, VarPtr(V_OD_hstmt))
>    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>    V_OD_erg = SQLAllocHandle(SQL_HANDLE_STMT, V_OD_hdbc, VarPtr(V_OD_htables))
>    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>    
>  V_OD_erg = SQLBindCol(V_OD_hstmt, 1, SQL_C_LONG, ClientID, 16, VarPtr(V_OD_err))
>  V_OD_erg = SQLBindCol(V_OD_hstmt, 2, SQL_C_CHAR, LastName, 200, VarPtr(V_OD_err))
>  V_OD_erg = SQLBindCol(V_OD_hstmt, 3, SQL_C_CHAR, FirstName, 200, VarPtr(V_OD_err))
>    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>    
>  V_OD_erg = SQLExecDirect(V_OD_hstmt, Statement, Statement.len)
>   If V_OD_erg <> SQL_SUCCESS And If V_OD_erg <> SQL_SUCCESS_WITH_INFO Then
>             Dim recno As Integer = 1
>             Print "Select Failed = "; Error_table[V_OD_erg];;
>             SQLGetDiagRec(SQL_HANDLE_DBC, V_OD_hdbc, 1, V_OD_stat, VarPtr(V_OD_err), V_OD_msg, 100, VarPtr(V_OD_mlen))
>             Print String@(V_OD_msg)
>             odbc_Close()
>             Quit 1
>    Else 
>             Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>    Endif 
>    
>    V_OD_erg = SQLNumResultCols(V_OD_hstmt, VarPtr(V_OD_colanz))
>    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg];; "Cols="; V_OD_colanz
>    V_OD_erg = SQLRowCount(V_OD_hstmt, VarPtr(V_OD_rowanz))
>     Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg];; "Rows="; V_OD_rowanz
>     
>     While SQLFetch(V_OD_hstmt) = SQL_SUCCESS
>       'Print string@(ClientId);; String@(LastName); ","; String@(FirstName)   ' mdbTools driver
>       Print Long@(ClientId);; String@(LastName); ","; String@(FirstName)      ' easy soft driver
>     Wend
>     
>     Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>    V_OD_erg = SQLTables(V_OD_htables, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0)
>      V_OD_erg = SQLNumResultCols(V_OD_htables, VarPtr(V_OD_colanz))
>    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg];; "Cols="; V_OD_colanz
>    V_OD_erg = SQLRowCount(V_OD_htables, VarPtr(V_OD_rowanz))
>     Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg];; "Rows="; V_OD_rowanz
>     
>  odbc_Close()
>     
>  Print "All Done"
>
> End
>
> Public Sub ODBC_OPEN(DataBase As String)
>     
>    V_OD_erg = SQLAllocHandle(SQL_HANDLE_ENV, SQL_NULL_HANDLE, VarPtr(V_OD_Env))
>    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>    V_OD_erg = SQLSetEnvAttr(V_OD_Env, SQL_ATTR_ODBC_VERSION, SQL_OV_ODBC3, 0)
>    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>    V_OD_erg = SQLAllocHandle(SQL_HANDLE_DBC, V_OD_Env, VarPtr(V_OD_hdbc))
>    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>    V_OD_erg = SQLSetConnectAttr(V_OD_hdbc, SQL_LOGIN_TIMEOUT, 5, 0)
>    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>    V_OD_erg = SQLConnect(V_OD_hdbc, DataBase, Database.len, "", 0, "", 0)
>    If V_OD_erg <> SQL_SUCCESS And If V_OD_erg <> SQL_SUCCESS_WITH_INFO Then
>             Dim recno As Integer = 1
>             While SQLGetDiagRec(SQL_HANDLE_DBC, V_OD_hdbc, recno, V_OD_stat, VarPtr(V_OD_err), V_OD_msg, 100, VarPtr(V_OD_mlen)) <> SQL_NO_DATA
>                 Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg];; String@(V_OD_msg)
>                 Inc recno
>             Wend 
>    Else 
>             Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>    Endif 
>     
> End
>
> Public Sub odbc_Close()
>     V_OD_erg = SQLFreeHandle(SQL_HANDLE_STMT, V_OD_HTABLES)
>     Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>     V_OD_erg = SQLFreeHandle(SQL_HANDLE_STMT, V_OD_HSTMT)
>     Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>     V_OD_erg = SQLDisconnect(V_OD_HDBC)
>     Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>     V_OD_erg = SQLFreeHandle(SQL_HANDLE_DBC, V_OD_HDBC)
>     Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>     V_OD_erg = SQLFreeHandle(SQL_HANDLE_ENV, V_OD_Env)
>     Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>     
> End
>
> "Failure is the key to success; 
>  each mistake teaches us something"  .. Morihei Ueshiba
> Brian G
>
> ----- On Apr 7, 2021, at 2:24 AM, KKing kicking177 at gmail.com wrote:
> Hi Brian,
> Just curious, what is the basis of your syntax?
> I'm not saying one way better than another but I would have expected
> something more along lines of
> <<
> ? Dim $con As New Connection
> ? Dim intCount As Integer
> ? Dim rs As Result
> ? Dim $ExecCmd As String
> ? Try $con.Close()
> ? $con.Type = "odbc"
> ? $con.Host = "CLIENT_INFORMATION_MANAGER"
> ? $con.Open()
> ? $ExecCmd = "Select FirstName from ClientList "
> ? rs = $con.Exec($ExecCmd)
> ? intCount = rs.Count
> ? While (rs.Available)
> ??? Print "V_OD_erg:" & rs!FirstName
> ??? rs.MoveNext
> ? Wend
> <<
BrianG, what you did is not only astounding, but also way hardcore.
Time ago, I wished there was a way for a Gambas program to create and
populate Gambas Database objects via low level calls to ODBC, but proved
either way out of my league or plain impossible.

Coupla pointers:

o- The ODBC standard states that only INSERTs, DELETEs and UPDATEs
return meaninful data in SQLRowCount().
o- Corollary: Mere SELECTs will stick to have a permanent -1 as result
to SQLRowCount().

If I remember correctly, it has to do with concurrency, where a SELECT
you're doing could be influenced by a third party running an INSERT (not
my words, though).
Even so, you can "always" use... CURSORS! Problem is, cursors can be
Driver-provided or DM-provided (DM refers to the ODBC Driver Manager).
Most RDBM platform drivers do provide cursors (and so you can go back
and forth in the result set, be the positioning relative or absolute),
but MDBTools does not.
I tried to use DM-provided cursors with MDBTools, but it needs to use
SQLBindCol() calls, which the gb.db.odbc component does not use. No
matter, fixed some other way.

I have a pending merge request to incorporate changes to the Gambas ODBC
component to at-long-last support MDBTools (no record count and
forward-only row navigation, tho).
Beno?t pulled my ears for a coupla mistakes I made, so I'm working on
squashing these.

By the way: Since 2015, appx, you can connect to ODBC datasources in
Gambas with the usual DSN (ODBC.INI section name) or a full-blown
connection string (?-la VB6/ADO). Just pass the connstring in the
Connection.Host property and you're done.
Advantages of connstrings: You can change them on the fly (stored in
your own INI, for example), no need to get hands dirty with ODBC
configuration other than adding the drivers to unixODBC, but that's
pretty much unavoidable.

A sample connstring example:

? $con.Type = "odbc"
? $con.Host = "Driver=MDBTools;DBQ=~/Access/SampleDatabase.Mdb"? 'Look
ma! No section names from ODBC.INI!
? $con.Open()

With that you do not have to mess with ODBC.INI.

Hope this helps,
zxMarce
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 17:12:35 -0700
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From: johna at starflightinc.com (John Anderson)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 17:20:40 -0700
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  8 04:30:35 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 04:30:35 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] SVG files in file browser filter
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Le 08/04/2021 ? 02:20, John Anderson a ?crit?:
> Using Gambas 3.15.2 on Linux Mint 20.1 Cinnamon - when I place a picture 
> box on a form and I want to load in an svg file from my image dataset - 
> the file browser filter for image files is missing *.svg.? It works ok 
> when I set the file browser filter to "All Files" - then I can select 
> the svg file and all works just fine; the svg image is handled properly.
> 
> I know it's just an extra click to make it work, just wondering if it is 
> intentional that svg files are not included in the image file filter?  
> Maybe the file filter needs a tweak on a future release?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -John
> 

SVG files are not supported by the PictureBox control, and any of the 
other Picture properties.

It's the underlying GUI toolkit that transforms the SVG file into a 
bitmap image with an arbitrary size.

If you want to load a SVG file into a PictureBox, you have to load the 
file manually with the SVGImage class, and then convert it to an image 
or a picture.

I may add support for SVG files in the future.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  8 04:32:40 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 04:32:40 +0200
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Le 08/04/2021 ? 02:12, John Anderson a ?crit?:
> Trying to register at http://gambaswiki.org/bugtracker?register seems to 
> always end in tears with "Invalid Captcha" no matter what - and I've 
> tried on a few machines and browsers.
> 
> Is that page working?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -John
> 
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> 

Indeed.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Thu Apr  8 04:56:27 2021
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (=?UTF-8?B?QnJpYW4gRw==?=)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2021 05:56:27 +0300
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Thanks for the info. 
Yes I knew that rowcount only works for insert delete and update.
Oh well. 
And I knew that gambas has support for db access.
I hope your fix make into the release!
I just was getting strange crashes and want to test to the actual drivers.
I am still looking for a free alternative to easysoft...
Gambas ide connections don't seem to work with the easysoft driver, does not see tables. and crashes with the mdbtools driver.. causes ide to exit
At least when I was trying to setup a connection in the project.
--
Thanks
Brian Wednesday, 07 April 2021, 01:32PM -07:00 from ML  d4t4full at gmail.com :

>On 7/4/21 13:24, Brian G wrote:
>>Making direct calls to the odbc drivers, I have been trying different drivers for access and they were doing things i did not understand. In the end will us gambas component.
>>Easysoft looks to work, but has issues on the disconnect, mdbTools driver only good for extraction, 'where' does not really work well and returns numbers as text strings, devsoft version just crashes all over.
>>
>>Count seems to be wrong, -1 for easy soft and 0 for the mdbTools driver, But I think that is being worked on.
>>Maybe someone can recommend a better access backend driver.
>>
>>It was the latest odbc thread that got me thinking about doing an update to the software in gambas. I looked at it a few years ago but it got sidelined to other things.
>>
>>Looks like in the end inter-opt with my existing databases clients may not be possible in an easy way. Probably just write something to convert everything. big job!!!
>>
>>If your interested here is the more complete test program I am using:
>>
>>' Gambas module file
>>
>>'typedef void *                  SQLHANDLE;
>>'typedef SQLHANDLE               SQLHENV;
>>
>>Public Const SQL_ATTR_ODBC_VERSION As Integer = 200
>>Public SQL_OV_ODBC2 As Long = 2 ' supposed to be unsigned
>>Public SQL_OV_ODBC3 As Long = 3 ' supposed to be unsigned
>>
>>Public Const SQL_C_BINARY As Integer = -2
>>Public Const SQL_C_BIT As Integer = -7
>>Public Const SQL_C_TINYINT As Integer = -6
>>Public Const SQL_C_CHAR As Integer = 1                               '/ * CHAR, VARCHAR, DECIMAL, NUMERIC * /
>>Public Const SQL_C_LONG As Integer = 4                               '/ * INTEGER * /
>>Public Const SQL_C_SHORT As Integer = 5                              '/ * SMALLINT * /
>>Public Const SQL_C_FLOAT As Integer = 7                              '/ * REAL * /
>>Public Const SQL_C_DOUBLE As Integer = 8                             '/ * FLOAT, DOUBLE * /
>>Public Const SQL_C_NUMERIC As Integer = 2
>>Public Const SQL_C_DEFAULT As Integer = 99
>>' #define SQL_UNKNOWN_TYPE 0
>>' #define SQL_CHAR 1
>>' #define SQL_NUMERIC 2
>>' #define SQL_DECIMAL 3
>>' #define SQL_INTEGER 4
>>' #define SQL_SMALLINT 5
>>' #define SQL_FLOAT 6
>>' #define SQL_REAL 7
>>' #define SQL_DOUBLE 8
>>' #define SQL_DATETIME 9
>>' #define SQL_VARCHAR 12
>>
>>Public Const SQL_SUCCESS As Integer = 0
>>Public Const SQL_SUCCESS_WITH_INFO As Integer = 1
>>Public Const SQL_ERROR As Integer = -1
>>Public Const SQL_INVALID_HANDLE As Integer = -2
>>Public Const SQL_STILL_EXECUTING As Integer = 2
>>Public Error_table As Collection = [Str(SQL_SUCCESS): "Success", Str(SQL_SUCCESS_WITH_INFO): "Success with info", Str(SQL_ERROR): "Error", Str(SQL_STILL_EXECUTING): "Still Executing", 
>>                                    Str(SQL_INVALID_HANDLE): "Invalid Handle"]
>>
>>Public Const SQL_LOGIN_TIMEOUT As Integer = 103
>>
>>Public Const SQL_NTS As Short = -3
>>Public Const SQL_NO_DATA As Integer = 100
>>
>>Public Const SQL_HANDLE_ENV As Integer = 1
>>Public Const SQL_HANDLE_DBC As Integer = 2
>>Public Const SQL_HANDLE_STMT As Integer = 3
>>Public Const SQL_HANDLE_DESC As Integer = 4
>>
>>Public Const SQL_NULL_HANDLE As Long = 0
>>Public SQLHANDLE As Pointer = 0
>>Public V_OD_Env As Pointer = 0
>>Public V_OD_erg As Integer = 0 
>>Public V_OD_err As Integer = 0
>>Public V_OD_hdbc As Pointer = 0
>>Public V_OD_hstmt As Pointer = 0
>>Public V_OD_htables As Pointer = 0
>>Public V_OD_STAT As Pointer = Alloc(10)
>>Public V_OD_msg As Pointer = Alloc(100)
>>Public V_OD_mlen As Integer = 0
>>Public V_OD_colanz As Integer = 0
>>Public V_OD_rowanz As Integer = 0
>>
>>Public ClientID As Pointer = Alloc(16)
>>Public FirstName As Pointer = Alloc(200)
>>Public LastName As Pointer = Alloc(200)
>>
>>Extern SQLAllocHandle(HandleType As Integer, SQL_INPUT_HANDLE As Long, SQL_OUPUT_HANDLE As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
>>Extern SQLSetEnvAttr(EnvironmentHandle As Pointer, Attribute As Integer, ValuePtr As Pointer, StringLength As Integer) As Long In "libodbc"
>>Extern SQLSetConnectAttr(ConnectionHandle As Pointer, Attribute As Integer, ValuePtr As Pointer, StringLength As Integer) As Long In "libodbc"
>>Extern SQLConnect(ConnectionHandle As Pointer, ServerName As String, NameLength1 As Short, UserName As String, NameLength2 As Short, Authentication As String, NameLength3 As Short) As Long In "libodbc"
>>Extern SQLDisconnect(ConnectionHandle As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
>>Extern SQLFreeHandle(HandleType As Integer, InputHandle As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
>>Extern SQLExecDirect(Handle As Pointer, Statement As String, TextLength As Short) As Long In "libodbc"
>>Extern SQLBindCol(StatementHandle As Pointer, column As Short, TargetType As Short, TargetValPtr As Pointer, bufferLen As Integer, Strlen_or_indPtr As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
>>Extern SQLGetDiagRec(HandleType As Integer, HandlePtr As Pointer, RecordNumber As Short, SQLSTATE As Pointer, NativeErrorPtr As Pointer, MessageText As Pointer, BufferLen As Short, TextLengthPtr As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
>>Extern SQLNumResultCols(StatementHandle As Pointer, NumCols As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
>>Extern SQLRowCount(StatementHandle As Pointer, NumRow As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
>>Extern SQLFetch(StatementHandle As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
>>Extern SQLTables(StaementHandle As Pointer, CatalogName As String, NameLength1 As Short, SchemaName As String, NameLength2 As Short, TableName As String, NameLength3 As Short, TableType As String, NameLength4 As Short) As Long In "libodbc"
>>
>>
>>Public Sub Main()
>> Dim Statement As String = "Select RefererenceNumber,LastName,FirstName from ClientList"
>> 'ODBC_OPEN("CLIENT_INFORMATION_MANAGER") 'Use mdbTools driver
>>  ODBC_OPEN("ACCESS_SAMPLE")              'Use Easy Soft driver
>> 
>>   V_OD_erg = SQLAllocHandle(SQL_HANDLE_STMT, V_OD_hdbc, VarPtr(V_OD_hstmt))
>>   Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>>   V_OD_erg = SQLAllocHandle(SQL_HANDLE_STMT, V_OD_hdbc, VarPtr(V_OD_htables))
>>   Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>>   
>> V_OD_erg = SQLBindCol(V_OD_hstmt, 1, SQL_C_LONG, ClientID, 16, VarPtr(V_OD_err))
>> V_OD_erg = SQLBindCol(V_OD_hstmt, 2, SQL_C_CHAR, LastName, 200, VarPtr(V_OD_err))
>> V_OD_erg = SQLBindCol(V_OD_hstmt, 3, SQL_C_CHAR, FirstName, 200, VarPtr(V_OD_err))
>>   Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>>   
>> V_OD_erg = SQLExecDirect(V_OD_hstmt, Statement, Statement.len)
>>  If V_OD_erg <> SQL_SUCCESS And If V_OD_erg <> SQL_SUCCESS_WITH_INFO Then
>>            Dim recno As Integer = 1
>>            Print "Select Failed = "; Error_table[V_OD_erg];;
>>            SQLGetDiagRec(SQL_HANDLE_DBC, V_OD_hdbc, 1, V_OD_stat, VarPtr(V_OD_err), V_OD_msg, 100, VarPtr(V_OD_mlen))
>>            Print String@(V_OD_msg)
>>            odbc_Close()
>>            Quit 1
>>   Else 
>>            Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>>   Endif 
>>   
>>   V_OD_erg = SQLNumResultCols(V_OD_hstmt, VarPtr(V_OD_colanz))
>>   Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg];; "Cols="; V_OD_colanz
>>   V_OD_erg = SQLRowCount(V_OD_hstmt, VarPtr(V_OD_rowanz))
>>    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg];; "Rows="; V_OD_rowanz
>>    
>>    While SQLFetch(V_OD_hstmt) = SQL_SUCCESS
>>      'Print string@(ClientId);; String@(LastName); ","; String@(FirstName)   ' mdbTools driver
>>      Print Long@(ClientId);; String@(LastName); ","; String@(FirstName)      ' easy soft driver
>>    Wend
>>    
>>    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>>   V_OD_erg = SQLTables(V_OD_htables, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0)
>>     V_OD_erg = SQLNumResultCols(V_OD_htables, VarPtr(V_OD_colanz))
>>   Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg];; "Cols="; V_OD_colanz
>>   V_OD_erg = SQLRowCount(V_OD_htables, VarPtr(V_OD_rowanz))
>>    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg];; "Rows="; V_OD_rowanz
>>    
>> odbc_Close()
>>    
>> Print "All Done"
>>
>>End
>>
>>Public Sub ODBC_OPEN(DataBase As String)
>>    
>>   V_OD_erg = SQLAllocHandle(SQL_HANDLE_ENV, SQL_NULL_HANDLE, VarPtr(V_OD_Env))
>>   Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>>   V_OD_erg = SQLSetEnvAttr(V_OD_Env, SQL_ATTR_ODBC_VERSION, SQL_OV_ODBC3, 0)
>>   Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>>   V_OD_erg = SQLAllocHandle(SQL_HANDLE_DBC, V_OD_Env, VarPtr(V_OD_hdbc))
>>   Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>>   V_OD_erg = SQLSetConnectAttr(V_OD_hdbc, SQL_LOGIN_TIMEOUT, 5, 0)
>>   Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>>   V_OD_erg = SQLConnect(V_OD_hdbc, DataBase, Database.len, "", 0, "", 0)
>>   If V_OD_erg <> SQL_SUCCESS And If V_OD_erg <> SQL_SUCCESS_WITH_INFO Then
>>            Dim recno As Integer = 1
>>            While SQLGetDiagRec(SQL_HANDLE_DBC, V_OD_hdbc, recno, V_OD_stat, VarPtr(V_OD_err), V_OD_msg, 100, VarPtr(V_OD_mlen)) <> SQL_NO_DATA
>>                Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg];; String@(V_OD_msg)
>>                Inc recno
>>            Wend 
>>   Else 
>>            Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>>   Endif 
>>    
>>End
>>
>>Public Sub odbc_Close()
>>    V_OD_erg = SQLFreeHandle(SQL_HANDLE_STMT, V_OD_HTABLES)
>>    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>>    V_OD_erg = SQLFreeHandle(SQL_HANDLE_STMT, V_OD_HSTMT)
>>    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>>    V_OD_erg = SQLDisconnect(V_OD_HDBC)
>>    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>>    V_OD_erg = SQLFreeHandle(SQL_HANDLE_DBC, V_OD_HDBC)
>>    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>>    V_OD_erg = SQLFreeHandle(SQL_HANDLE_ENV, V_OD_Env)
>>    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>>    
>>End
>>
>>"Failure is the key to success; 
>> each mistake teaches us something"  .. Morihei Ueshiba
>>Brian G
>>
>>----- On Apr 7, 2021, at 2:24 AM, KKing kicking177 at gmail.com wrote:
>>Hi Brian,
>>Just curious, what is the basis of your syntax?
>>I'm not saying one way better than another but I would have expected
>>something more along lines of
>><<
>>? Dim $con As New Connection
>>? Dim intCount As Integer
>>? Dim rs As Result
>>? Dim $ExecCmd As String
>>? Try $con.Close()
>>? $con.Type = "odbc"
>>? $con.Host = "CLIENT_INFORMATION_MANAGER"
>>? $con.Open()
>>? $ExecCmd = "Select FirstName from ClientList "
>>? rs = $con.Exec($ExecCmd)
>>? intCount = rs.Count
>>? While (rs.Available)
>>??? Print "V_OD_erg:" & rs!FirstName
>>??? rs.MoveNext
>>? Wend
>><<
>> 
>BrianG, what you did is not only astounding, but also way hardcore.
>Time ago, I wished there was a way for a Gambas program to create
>    and populate Gambas Database objects via low level calls to ODBC,
>    but proved either way out of my league or plain impossible.
>
>Coupla pointers:
>
>o- The ODBC standard states that only INSERTs, DELETEs and UPDATEs
>    return meaninful data in SQLRowCount().
>o- Corollary: Mere SELECTs will stick to have a permanent -1 as
>    result to SQLRowCount().
>
>If I remember correctly, it has to do with concurrency, where a
>    SELECT you're doing could be influenced by a third party running an
>    INSERT (not my words, though).
>Even so, you can "always" use... CURSORS! Problem is, cursors can be
>    Driver-provided or DM-provided (DM refers to the ODBC Driver
>    Manager).
>Most RDBM platform drivers do provide cursors (and so you can go
>    back and forth in the result set, be the positioning relative or
>    absolute), but MDBTools does not.
>I tried to use DM-provided cursors with MDBTools, but it needs to
>    use SQLBindCol() calls, which the gb.db.odbc component does not use.
>    No matter, fixed some other way.
>
>I have a pending merge request to incorporate changes to the Gambas
>    ODBC component to at-long-last support MDBTools (no record count and
>    forward-only row navigation, tho).
>Beno?t pulled my ears for a coupla mistakes I made, so I'm working
>    on squashing these.
>
>By the way: Since 2015, appx, you can connect to ODBC datasources in
>    Gambas with the usual DSN (ODBC.INI section name) or a full-blown
>    connection string (?-la VB6/ADO). Just pass the connstring in the
>    Connection.Host property and you're done.
>Advantages of connstrings: You can change them on the fly (stored in
>    your own INI, for example), no need to get hands dirty with ODBC
>    configuration other than adding the drivers to unixODBC, but that's
>    pretty much unavoidable.
>
>A sample connstring example:
>
>? $con.Type = "odbc"
>? $con.Host = "Driver=MDBTools;DBQ=~/Access/SampleDatabase.Mdb"?
>    'Look ma! No section names from ODBC.INI!
>? $con.Open()
>
>With that you do not have to mess with ODBC.INI.
>
>Hope this helps,
>zxMarce
>
>----[  http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  8 14:29:13 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 13:29:13 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] SVG files in file browser filter
In-Reply-To: <d826f60e-f70a-bdd5-f706-404efaee6d31@gmail.com>
References: <a9988c4d-9e7e-42a3-29e1-27574be265da@starflightinc.com>
 <d826f60e-f70a-bdd5-f706-404efaee6d31@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCD0NKxdfaMcxZry9Vvb2MQt2FKe=1dmy16Ubx9TjsQsQQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 03:31, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Le 08/04/2021 ? 02:20, John Anderson a ?crit :
> > Using Gambas 3.15.2 on Linux Mint 20.1 Cinnamon - when I place a picture
> > box on a form and I want to load in an svg file from my image dataset -
> > the file browser filter for image files is missing *.svg.  It works ok
> > when I set the file browser filter to "All Files" - then I can select
> > the svg file and all works just fine; the svg image is handled properly.
> >
> > I know it's just an extra click to make it work, just wondering if it is
> > intentional that svg files are not included in the image file filter?
> > Maybe the file filter needs a tweak on a future release?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > -John
> >
>
> SVG files are not supported by the PictureBox control, and any of the
> other Picture properties.
>
> It's the underlying GUI toolkit that transforms the SVG file into a
> bitmap image with an arbitrary size.
>
> If you want to load a SVG file into a PictureBox, you have to load the
> file manually with the SVGImage class, and then convert it to an image
> or a picture.
>
> I may add support for SVG files in the future.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>

It looks like some things very nearly do support it.

I had a look at FileView.class and saw lots of code like..
If SvgImage Then
  blah, blah
Else
  blah, blah
Endif

Seems odd what John is saying that "just select to view all files and
choose and svg image and it works"
Are you saying it's just "chance" that it works and cannot be guaranteed so
that why it's excluded from the image types?

Respects
BruceS
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From johna at starflightinc.com  Thu Apr  8 23:54:48 2021
From: johna at starflightinc.com (John Anderson)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 14:54:48 -0700
Subject: [Gambas-user] Bug tracker registration captcha?
In-Reply-To: <c6e5378b-d2c7-4033-9058-4bc5051fb209@gmail.com>
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From: johna at starflightinc.com (John Anderson)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 14:48:43 -0700
Subject: [Gambas-user] SVG files in file browser filter
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCD0NKxdfaMcxZry9Vvb2MQt2FKe=1dmy16Ubx9TjsQsQQ@mail.gmail.com>
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Fri Apr  9 01:57:44 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 01:57:44 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Bug tracker registration captcha?
In-Reply-To: <05b59e58-06f1-09f4-4dbf-ae8d431f0974@starflightinc.com>
References: <c6e5378b-d2c7-4033-9058-4bc5051fb209@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <486412f8-e668-9f8e-7108-b37c149a3293@gmail.com>

Le 08/04/2021 ? 23:54, John Anderson a ?crit?:
> Le 08/04/2021 ? 02:12, John Anderson a ?crit :
>  > Trying to register at http://gambaswiki.org/bugtracker?register seems to
>  > always end in tears with "Invalid Captcha" no matter what - and I've
>  > tried on a few machines and browsers.
>  >
>  > Is that page working?
>  >
>  > Thanks
>  >
>  > -John
>  >
>  >
>  > ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>  >
> 
> Indeed.
> 
> -- 
> Benoit Minisini
> 
> 
> Had 4 other people try it at work today...Indeed bug tracker 
> registration seems confirmed not working at least at this end. But they 
> all were impressed with Gambas!
> 
> Thanks Benoit!
> 
> -John
> 

I'm still trying to find why it does not work anymore...

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Fri Apr  9 03:26:10 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 03:26:10 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Bug tracker registration captcha?
In-Reply-To: <486412f8-e668-9f8e-7108-b37c149a3293@gmail.com>
References: <c6e5378b-d2c7-4033-9058-4bc5051fb209@gmail.com>
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 <486412f8-e668-9f8e-7108-b37c149a3293@gmail.com>
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Le 09/04/2021 ? 01:57, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
> Le 08/04/2021 ? 23:54, John Anderson a ?crit?:
>> Le 08/04/2021 ? 02:12, John Anderson a ?crit :
>> ?> Trying to register at http://gambaswiki.org/bugtracker?register 
>> seems to
>> ?> always end in tears with "Invalid Captcha" no matter what - and I've
>> ?> tried on a few machines and browsers.
>> ?>
>> ?> Is that page working?
>> ?>
>> ?> Thanks
>> ?>
>> ?> -John
>> ?>
>> ?>
>> ?> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>> ?>
>>
>> Indeed.
>>
>> -- 
>> Benoit Minisini
>>
>>
>> Had 4 other people try it at work today...Indeed bug tracker 
>> registration seems confirmed not working at least at this end. But 
>> they all were impressed with Gambas!
>>
>> Thanks Benoit!
>>
>> -John
>>
> 
> I'm still trying to find why it does not work anymore...
> 

It should work now.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mike.crean at y7mail.com  Sat Apr 10 10:10:21 2021
From: mike.crean at y7mail.com (Mike Crean)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 08:10:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Gambas-user] webform global variables
References: <639185668.369978.1618042221451.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <639185668.369978.1618042221451@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi, how can I declare global variables in a WEB application.
Eg,

' Gambas class file

Export
Public Cnt As Integer

Public Sub WebForm_Open()
? Cnt = 10
End

Public Sub WebTimer1_Timer()
? Cnt = Cnt - 1
? 
? If Cnt <= 0 Then
??? Cnt = 10
? Endif
? 
? WebLabel1.Text = Cnt
End
The above code compiles with out error. The integer is not passed to the timer function 
from Public Sub WebForm as a value of 10.
How do I implement this.
RegardsMike


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From mike.crean at y7mail.com  Sat Apr 10 10:34:04 2021
From: mike.crean at y7mail.com (Mike Crean)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 08:34:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Gambas-user] WebForm
References: <1537119383.551127.1618043644006.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1537119383.551127.1618043644006@mail.yahoo.com>

In the following code the WebTimer is not set to True when the code is executed !!Why??
' Gambas class file
Export
Public Cnt As Integer
Public Sub WebForm_Open()
? WebTimer1.Enabled = True
End
Public Sub WebTimer1_Timer()
? Cnt = Cnt + 1? 
? WebLabel1.Text = Cnt
End
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Sat Apr 10 20:59:22 2021
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 21:59:22 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] WebForm
In-Reply-To: <1537119383.551127.1618043644006@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1537119383.551127.1618043644006.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1537119383.551127.1618043644006@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAFJMe7Rw-dH+R3oUcPE_JG87h5rNHx_e2zLFZWgAgUaxtA9new@mail.gmail.com>

Can you send the isolated problem as a project?

Jussi

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 11:35 AM Mike Crean via User <
user at lists.gambas-basic.org> wrote:

> In the following code the WebTimer is not set to True when the code is
> executed !!
> Why??
>
> ' Gambas class file
>
> Export
> Public Cnt As Integer
>
> Public Sub WebForm_Open()
>   WebTimer1.Enabled = True
> End
>
> Public Sub WebTimer1_Timer()
>   Cnt = Cnt + 1
>   WebLabel1.Text = Cnt
> End
>
> Regards
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From mike.crean at y7mail.com  Sun Apr 11 04:17:46 2021
From: mike.crean at y7mail.com (Mike Crean)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 02:17:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Gambas-user] WebForm
In-Reply-To: <CAFJMe7Rw-dH+R3oUcPE_JG87h5rNHx_e2zLFZWgAgUaxtA9new@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1537119383.551127.1618043644006.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1537119383.551127.1618043644006@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAFJMe7Rw-dH+R3oUcPE_JG87h5rNHx_e2zLFZWgAgUaxtA9new@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <139709110.707627.1618107466858@mail.yahoo.com>

OK in version 3.15.2 the timer is set to true. My problem is how do I make an Integer public to all functions in a WebForm class.Cnt will not continue to increment each time the timer fires. The code below is taken from opening a new Web form application and modifying the example code.

Eg.
' Gambas class file

Export
Public Cnt As Integer

Public Sub WebForm_Open()
?WebTimer1_Timer
End

Public Sub WebTimer1_Timer()
? WebLabel1.Text = Format(Now, "hh:nn:ss")
? Inc Cnt
? Cnt = Cnt + 1
? WebLabel2.Text = Cnt
End
RegardsMike



 

    On Sunday, 11 April 2021, 2:59:35 am AWST, Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Can you send the isolated problem as a project?
Jussi

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 11:35 AM Mike Crean via User <user at lists.gambas-basic.org> wrote:

In the following code the WebTimer is not set to True when the code is executed !!Why??
' Gambas class file
Export
Public Cnt As Integer
Public Sub WebForm_Open()
? WebTimer1.Enabled = True
End
Public Sub WebTimer1_Timer()
? Cnt = Cnt + 1? 
? WebLabel1.Text = Cnt
End
RegardsMike






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From mike.crean at y7mail.com  Sun Apr 11 04:26:53 2021
From: mike.crean at y7mail.com (Mike Crean)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 02:26:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Gambas-user] WebForm
In-Reply-To: <139709110.707627.1618107466858@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1537119383.551127.1618043644006.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1537119383.551127.1618043644006@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAFJMe7Rw-dH+R3oUcPE_JG87h5rNHx_e2zLFZWgAgUaxtA9new@mail.gmail.com>
 <139709110.707627.1618107466858@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <576872154.703392.1618108013192@mail.yahoo.com>

PS it would seem that Cnt has been declared as a global integer but is not incremental each time the timer fires (if the timer is firing!) it would seem it is as the time displayed is incremented.
RegardsMike



 

    On Sunday, 11 April 2021, 10:18:07 am AWST, Mike Crean via User <user at lists.gambas-basic.org> wrote:  
 
 OK in version 3.15.2 the timer is set to true. My problem is how do I make an Integer public to all functions in a WebForm class.Cnt will not continue to increment each time the timer fires. The code below is taken from opening a new Web form application and modifying the example code.

Eg.
' Gambas class file

Export
Public Cnt As Integer

Public Sub WebForm_Open()
?WebTimer1_Timer
End

Public Sub WebTimer1_Timer()
? WebLabel1.Text = Format(Now, "hh:nn:ss")
? Inc Cnt
? Cnt = Cnt + 1
? WebLabel2.Text = Cnt
End
RegardsMike



 

    On Sunday, 11 April 2021, 2:59:35 am AWST, Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Can you send the isolated problem as a project?
Jussi

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 11:35 AM Mike Crean via User <user at lists.gambas-basic.org> wrote:

In the following code the WebTimer is not set to True when the code is executed !!Why??
' Gambas class file
Export
Public Cnt As Integer
Public Sub WebForm_Open()
? WebTimer1.Enabled = True
End
Public Sub WebTimer1_Timer()
? Cnt = Cnt + 1? 
? WebLabel1.Text = Cnt
End
RegardsMike






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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Sun Apr 11 05:07:46 2021
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 06:07:46 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] WebForm
In-Reply-To: <139709110.707627.1618107466858@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1537119383.551127.1618043644006.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1537119383.551127.1618043644006@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAFJMe7Rw-dH+R3oUcPE_JG87h5rNHx_e2zLFZWgAgUaxtA9new@mail.gmail.com>
 <139709110.707627.1618107466858@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAFJMe7RjY6-7vS77GuFOOCXv6q+jrziLwp1zROtNfyQ+RBmgXg@mail.gmail.com>

Please send a runnable project.

Jussi

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 5:17 AM Mike Crean <mike.crean at y7mail.com> wrote:

> OK in version 3.15.2 the timer is set to true. My problem is how do I make
> an Integer public to all functions in a WebForm class.
> Cnt will not continue to increment each time the timer fires. The code
> below is taken from opening a new Web form application and modifying the
> example code.
>
> Eg.
>
> ' Gambas class file
>
> Export
> Public Cnt As Integer
>
> Public Sub WebForm_Open()
>  WebTimer1_Timer
> End
>
> Public Sub WebTimer1_Timer()
>   WebLabel1.Text = Format(Now, "hh:nn:ss")
>   Inc Cnt
>   Cnt = Cnt + 1
>   WebLabel2.Text = Cnt
> End
>
> Regards
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 11 April 2021, 2:59:35 am AWST, Jussi Lahtinen <
> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Can you send the isolated problem as a project?
>
> Jussi
>
> On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 11:35 AM Mike Crean via User <
> user at lists.gambas-basic.org> wrote:
>
> In the following code the WebTimer is not set to True when the code is
> executed !!
> Why??
>
> ' Gambas class file
>
> Export
> Public Cnt As Integer
>
> Public Sub WebForm_Open()
>   WebTimer1.Enabled = True
> End
>
> Public Sub WebTimer1_Timer()
>   Cnt = Cnt + 1
>   WebLabel1.Text = Cnt
> End
>
> Regards
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From mike.crean at y7mail.com  Sun Apr 11 06:05:52 2021
From: mike.crean at y7mail.com (Mike Crean)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 04:05:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Gambas-user] WebForm
In-Reply-To: <CAFJMe7RjY6-7vS77GuFOOCXv6q+jrziLwp1zROtNfyQ+RBmgXg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1537119383.551127.1618043644006.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1537119383.551127.1618043644006@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAFJMe7Rw-dH+R3oUcPE_JG87h5rNHx_e2zLFZWgAgUaxtA9new@mail.gmail.com>
 <139709110.707627.1618107466858@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAFJMe7RjY6-7vS77GuFOOCXv6q+jrziLwp1zROtNfyQ+RBmgXg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <858995066.729460.1618113952450@mail.yahoo.com>

Attached example app. on Gambas 3.15.2
RegardsMike



 

    On Sunday, 11 April 2021, 11:07:59 am AWST, Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Please send a runnable project.
Jussi

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 5:17 AM Mike Crean <mike.crean at y7mail.com> wrote:

OK in version 3.15.2 the timer is set to true. My problem is how do I make an Integer public to all functions in a WebForm class.Cnt will not continue to increment each time the timer fires. The code below is taken from opening a new Web form application and modifying the example code.

Eg.
' Gambas class file

Export
Public Cnt As Integer

Public Sub WebForm_Open()
?WebTimer1_Timer
End

Public Sub WebTimer1_Timer()
? WebLabel1.Text = Format(Now, "hh:nn:ss")
? Inc Cnt
? Cnt = Cnt + 1
? WebLabel2.Text = Cnt
End
RegardsMike



 

    On Sunday, 11 April 2021, 2:59:35 am AWST, Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Can you send the isolated problem as a project?
Jussi

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 11:35 AM Mike Crean via User <user at lists.gambas-basic.org> wrote:

In the following code the WebTimer is not set to True when the code is executed !!Why??
' Gambas class file
Export
Public Cnt As Integer
Public Sub WebForm_Open()
? WebTimer1.Enabled = True
End
Public Sub WebTimer1_Timer()
? Cnt = Cnt + 1? 
? WebLabel1.Text = Cnt
End
RegardsMike






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From mike.crean at y7mail.com  Sun Apr 11 10:50:05 2021
From: mike.crean at y7mail.com (Mike Crean)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 08:50:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Gambas-user] web counter
References: <1306199848.738169.1618131005839.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1306199848.738169.1618131005839@mail.yahoo.com>

How can I make a back ground counter using a Web form application.
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 11 12:20:02 2021
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Bruce)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 19:50:02 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] New checkbox "art"
Message-ID: <64072f3e-1275-a33b-d3c0-a8d58ab6341a@gmail.com>

Somewhat recently I read or saw a mention of different artwork for a 
checkbox. Forum orfarm I cant remember, nor can find it. Nevertheless, I 
have a request to provide a checkbox with a tick, rather than the normal 
cross.

If someone has a "tickbox" control would they please save me a lot of 
time and eyestrain by sharing it or tellinbg me where it is shared.

regards and tia
bruce

From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 11 12:20:32 2021
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Bruce)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 19:50:32 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] New checkbox "art"
Message-ID: <1b67e1c6-77e1-db1e-ba59-dff5382f8c2a@gmail.com>

Somewhat recently I read or saw a mention of different artwork for a 
checkbox. Forum orfarm I cant remember, nor can find it. Nevertheless, I 
have a request to provide a checkbox with a tick, rather than the normal 
cross.

If someone has a "tickbox" control would they please save me a lot of 
time and eyestrain by sharing it or tellinbg me where it is shared.

regards and tia
bruce

From claus.dietrich at freenet.de  Sun Apr 11 13:48:11 2021
From: claus.dietrich at freenet.de (Claus Dietrich)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 13:48:11 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] HTTP Client - Authentication Method Missing?
Message-ID: <947145be-3665-27d3-9ea0-eee2e43cccae@freenet.de>

With following cli SOAP request I can retrieve the url for the phonebook
from my fritzbox:

curl -k -m 5 --anyauth -u <user>:<password> ' http://....'

Trying to replicate this with Gambas code by using a HttpClient failed.
The parent curl class provides the const Net.AuthAny, but it seems not
to be supported by the HttpClient. The program throws an error if I try
to use it as auth-property and the wiki only lists Net.AuthNone,
Net.AuthBasic and net.AuthNTLM as allowed authentication methods.

Are there reason that this authentication method is missing or was it
possibly forgotten?

Regards

Claus

?



From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 11 13:49:43 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 12:49:43 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] New checkbox "art"
In-Reply-To: <1b67e1c6-77e1-db1e-ba59-dff5382f8c2a@gmail.com>
References: <1b67e1c6-77e1-db1e-ba59-dff5382f8c2a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCBJBXJVaWBSFzGCAfCX3Tw1Bs9PjRw60dZaObRCV0cbFg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 11 Apr 2021 at 11:22, Bruce <adamnt42 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Somewhat recently I read or saw a mention of different artwork for a
> checkbox. Forum orfarm I cant remember, nor can find it. Nevertheless, I
> have a request to provide a checkbox with a tick, rather than the normal
> cross.
>
> If someone has a "tickbox" control would they please save me a lot of
> time and eyestrain by sharing it or tellinbg me where it is shared.
>
> regards and tia
> bruce
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>

I wrote one Mr b

it's not perfect

by default it uses the stock "Apply" image that's a tick
ANY image can be set via Picture property
Text can be left or right of box,
Box size matches font size

plus other options/features.
https://gitlab.com/bsteers4/ncheckbox

BruceS
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 11 13:53:49 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 12:53:49 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] New checkbox "art"
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCBJBXJVaWBSFzGCAfCX3Tw1Bs9PjRw60dZaObRCV0cbFg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1b67e1c6-77e1-db1e-ba59-dff5382f8c2a@gmail.com>
 <CABuQYCBJBXJVaWBSFzGCAfCX3Tw1Bs9PjRw60dZaObRCV0cbFg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCBVNfk9-sGZfQoK=BD=3P1NmWi1TNpLwECPxxXd3PanLg@mail.gmail.com>

PS, the text written on that image for each checkbox does not really match
all the settings , the test app has changed more than the checkbox text has.

PPS, this hand draws the checkbox and does not use any Style.class options
for toolkit look

On Sun, 11 Apr 2021 at 12:49, Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Sun, 11 Apr 2021 at 11:22, Bruce <adamnt42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Somewhat recently I read or saw a mention of different artwork for a
>> checkbox. Forum orfarm I cant remember, nor can find it. Nevertheless, I
>> have a request to provide a checkbox with a tick, rather than the normal
>> cross.
>>
>> If someone has a "tickbox" control would they please save me a lot of
>> time and eyestrain by sharing it or tellinbg me where it is shared.
>>
>> regards and tia
>> bruce
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>
>
> I wrote one Mr b
>
> it's not perfect
>
> by default it uses the stock "Apply" image that's a tick
> ANY image can be set via Picture property
> Text can be left or right of box,
> Box size matches font size
>
> plus other options/features.
> https://gitlab.com/bsteers4/ncheckbox
>
> BruceS
>
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Sun Apr 11 20:10:11 2021
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 21:10:11 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] Fwd:  WebForm
In-Reply-To: <858995066.729460.1618113952450@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1537119383.551127.1618043644006.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1537119383.551127.1618043644006@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAFJMe7Rw-dH+R3oUcPE_JG87h5rNHx_e2zLFZWgAgUaxtA9new@mail.gmail.com>
 <139709110.707627.1618107466858@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAFJMe7RjY6-7vS77GuFOOCXv6q+jrziLwp1zROtNfyQ+RBmgXg@mail.gmail.com>
 <858995066.729460.1618113952450@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAFJMe7RmNxFEGg3w6MnCW_=hkJcKUPuyFb5w_w-cLTSt3FyMwA@mail.gmail.com>

Benoit, are there some limitations regarding public variables (I couldn't
find any documentation about it) or is this a bug?


Jussi

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Mike Crean <mike.crean at y7mail.com>
Date: Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Gambas-user] WebForm
To: Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>
Cc: Gambas Mailing List <user at lists.gambas-basic.org>


Attached example app. on Gambas 3.15.2

Regards
Mike





On Sunday, 11 April 2021, 11:07:59 am AWST, Jussi Lahtinen <
jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> wrote:


Please send a runnable project.

Jussi

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 5:17 AM Mike Crean <mike.crean at y7mail.com> wrote:

OK in version 3.15.2 the timer is set to true. My problem is how do I make
an Integer public to all functions in a WebForm class.
Cnt will not continue to increment each time the timer fires. The code
below is taken from opening a new Web form application and modifying the
example code.

Eg.

' Gambas class file

Export
Public Cnt As Integer

Public Sub WebForm_Open()
 WebTimer1_Timer
End

Public Sub WebTimer1_Timer()
  WebLabel1.Text = Format(Now, "hh:nn:ss")
  Inc Cnt
  Cnt = Cnt + 1
  WebLabel2.Text = Cnt
End

Regards
Mike





On Sunday, 11 April 2021, 2:59:35 am AWST, Jussi Lahtinen <
jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> wrote:


Can you send the isolated problem as a project?

Jussi

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 11:35 AM Mike Crean via User <
user at lists.gambas-basic.org> wrote:

In the following code the WebTimer is not set to True when the code is
executed !!
Why??

' Gambas class file

Export
Public Cnt As Integer

Public Sub WebForm_Open()
  WebTimer1.Enabled = True
End

Public Sub WebTimer1_Timer()
  Cnt = Cnt + 1
  WebLabel1.Text = Cnt
End

Regards
Mike






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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Sun Apr 11 20:12:56 2021
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 21:12:56 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] WebForm
In-Reply-To: <CAFJMe7RmNxFEGg3w6MnCW_=hkJcKUPuyFb5w_w-cLTSt3FyMwA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1537119383.551127.1618043644006.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1537119383.551127.1618043644006@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAFJMe7Rw-dH+R3oUcPE_JG87h5rNHx_e2zLFZWgAgUaxtA9new@mail.gmail.com>
 <139709110.707627.1618107466858@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAFJMe7RjY6-7vS77GuFOOCXv6q+jrziLwp1zROtNfyQ+RBmgXg@mail.gmail.com>
 <858995066.729460.1618113952450@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAFJMe7RmNxFEGg3w6MnCW_=hkJcKUPuyFb5w_w-cLTSt3FyMwA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFJMe7S3CzHoiJvyoGHh3=UhByQZR1K=q9wuvRycW+vm807vVg@mail.gmail.com>

It seems that the pointer to public variable changes without clear reason.

Jussi

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 9:10 PM Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> Benoit, are there some limitations regarding public variables (I couldn't
> find any documentation about it) or is this a bug?
>
>
> Jussi
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Mike Crean <mike.crean at y7mail.com>
> Date: Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 7:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [Gambas-user] WebForm
> To: Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>
> Cc: Gambas Mailing List <user at lists.gambas-basic.org>
>
>
> Attached example app. on Gambas 3.15.2
>
> Regards
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 11 April 2021, 11:07:59 am AWST, Jussi Lahtinen <
> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Please send a runnable project.
>
> Jussi
>
> On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 5:17 AM Mike Crean <mike.crean at y7mail.com> wrote:
>
> OK in version 3.15.2 the timer is set to true. My problem is how do I make
> an Integer public to all functions in a WebForm class.
> Cnt will not continue to increment each time the timer fires. The code
> below is taken from opening a new Web form application and modifying the
> example code.
>
> Eg.
>
> ' Gambas class file
>
> Export
> Public Cnt As Integer
>
> Public Sub WebForm_Open()
>  WebTimer1_Timer
> End
>
> Public Sub WebTimer1_Timer()
>   WebLabel1.Text = Format(Now, "hh:nn:ss")
>   Inc Cnt
>   Cnt = Cnt + 1
>   WebLabel2.Text = Cnt
> End
>
> Regards
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 11 April 2021, 2:59:35 am AWST, Jussi Lahtinen <
> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Can you send the isolated problem as a project?
>
> Jussi
>
> On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 11:35 AM Mike Crean via User <
> user at lists.gambas-basic.org> wrote:
>
> In the following code the WebTimer is not set to True when the code is
> executed !!
> Why??
>
> ' Gambas class file
>
> Export
> Public Cnt As Integer
>
> Public Sub WebForm_Open()
>   WebTimer1.Enabled = True
> End
>
> Public Sub WebTimer1_Timer()
>   Cnt = Cnt + 1
>   WebLabel1.Text = Cnt
> End
>
> Regards
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
>
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 11 20:41:32 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 20:41:32 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] WebForm
In-Reply-To: <858995066.729460.1618113952450@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1537119383.551127.1618043644006.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1537119383.551127.1618043644006@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAFJMe7Rw-dH+R3oUcPE_JG87h5rNHx_e2zLFZWgAgUaxtA9new@mail.gmail.com>
 <139709110.707627.1618107466858@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAFJMe7RjY6-7vS77GuFOOCXv6q+jrziLwp1zROtNfyQ+RBmgXg@mail.gmail.com>
 <858995066.729460.1618113952450@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f84ffe58-1c07-3c2f-61d5-abf0a15e82d0@gmail.com>

Le 11/04/2021 ? 06:05, Mike Crean via User a ?crit?:
> Attached example app. on Gambas 3.15.2
> 
> Regards
> Mike
> 

'gb.web.form' is deprecated, you must use 'gb.web.gui' instead.

'gb.web.form' is a pure CGI script, so, of course, all variables set 
disappear at each request.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mike.crean at y7mail.com  Mon Apr 12 05:52:34 2021
From: mike.crean at y7mail.com (Mike Crean)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 03:52:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Gambas-user] WebForm
In-Reply-To: <f84ffe58-1c07-3c2f-61d5-abf0a15e82d0@gmail.com>
References: <1537119383.551127.1618043644006.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1537119383.551127.1618043644006@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAFJMe7Rw-dH+R3oUcPE_JG87h5rNHx_e2zLFZWgAgUaxtA9new@mail.gmail.com>
 <139709110.707627.1618107466858@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAFJMe7RjY6-7vS77GuFOOCXv6q+jrziLwp1zROtNfyQ+RBmgXg@mail.gmail.com>
 <858995066.729460.1618113952450@mail.yahoo.com>
 <f84ffe58-1c07-3c2f-61d5-abf0a15e82d0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1308170591.955594.1618199554567@mail.yahoo.com>

Thank you both very much works fine using gb.web.gui.
RegardsMike



 

    On Monday, 12 April 2021, 2:43:05 am AWST, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Le 11/04/2021 ? 06:05, Mike Crean via User a ?crit?:
> Attached example app. on Gambas 3.15.2
> 
> Regards
> Mike
> 

'gb.web.form' is deprecated, you must use 'gb.web.gui' instead.

'gb.web.form' is a pure CGI script, so, of course, all variables set 
disappear at each request.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

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From mike.crean at y7mail.com  Mon Apr 12 06:31:01 2021
From: mike.crean at y7mail.com (Mike Crean)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 04:31:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Arm
References: <559926929.962003.1618201861997.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <559926929.962003.1618201861997@mail.yahoo.com>


Hi has anyone installed gambas 3.15.2 on the raspberry pi (4) OS and if so please let me know how it was done.
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 12 09:54:37 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 08:54:37 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Arm
In-Reply-To: <559926929.962003.1618201861997@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <559926929.962003.1618201861997.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <559926929.962003.1618201861997@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCCBwy+mbeUXvK42YQQv98A9X38Jx8+Kk4d5Wi5t_RmgYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes.

I followed the instructions on wiki

On Mon, 12 Apr 2021, 05:32 Mike Crean via User, <user at lists.gambas-basic.org>
wrote:

>
> Hi has anyone installed gambas 3.15.2 on the raspberry pi (4) OS and if so
> please let me know how it was done.
>
> Regards
> Mike
>
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 12 09:59:02 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 08:59:02 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Arm
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCCBwy+mbeUXvK42YQQv98A9X38Jx8+Kk4d5Wi5t_RmgYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <559926929.962003.1618201861997.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <559926929.962003.1618201861997@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CABuQYCCBwy+mbeUXvK42YQQv98A9X38Jx8+Kk4d5Wi5t_RmgYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCAB8hQkiipjgbdZFreYsqH912wCKAk5gxNA8y6=x4wVQg@mail.gmail.com>

http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/install/raspbian#t19

On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 at 08:54, Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes.
>
> I followed the instructions on wiki
>
> On Mon, 12 Apr 2021, 05:32 Mike Crean via User, <
> user at lists.gambas-basic.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi has anyone installed gambas 3.15.2 on the raspberry pi (4) OS and if
>> so please let me know how it was done.
>>
>> Regards
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 12 10:37:01 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 09:37:01 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Arm
In-Reply-To: <559926929.962003.1618201861997@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <559926929.962003.1618201861997.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <559926929.962003.1618201861997@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCCee6q5kjgBdtm=bYBksMwYbScP3jWZ_B8y5MBdFCBobw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 at 05:32, Mike Crean via User <
user at lists.gambas-basic.org> wrote:

>
> Hi has anyone installed gambas 3.15.2 on the raspberry pi (4) OS and if so
> please let me know how it was done.
>
> Regards
> Mike
>

You could try my install script..
https://gitlab.com/bsteers4/gambas3-compile-and-install
(link to script)
https://gitlab.com/bsteers4/gambas3-compile-and-install/-/blob/main/gambas3-update-compile-and-install

Download the latest stable (3.15.3)
https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/-/tree/stable
https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/-/archive/stable/gambas-stable.zip

unpack archive to a folder if you have not already

then launch the script from a terminal and follow the instructions..
BruceS
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From mike.crean at y7mail.com  Mon Apr 12 10:46:18 2021
From: mike.crean at y7mail.com (Mike Crean)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 08:46:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-3.15 on Raspberry Pi OS
References: <1961218569.980844.1618217178917.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1961218569.980844.1618217178917@mail.yahoo.com>

For those that like a step by step install of the current stable version of gambas on Raspberry Pi(4) OS see below. INSTALL latest Gambas3 on Raspberry pi(4) OS 2021-01-11  Linux kernel 5.4.83
Run the following commands from the terminal to install the latest stable version of Gambas.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If you already have Gambas installed remove it.
===============================================
sudo apt-get --purge remove gambas3
sudo apt-get --yes purge gambas3
sudo apt-get --yes autoremove --purge
sudo apt-get autoclean

To list any remaining packages.

dpkg -l | grep gambas3

Remove the left overs.

sudo apt-get remove --auto-remove gambas3-runtime
sudo apt-get purge gambas3-runtime
=================================================
NOW INSTALL
=================================================

sudo apt-get update

sudo apt-get install git

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The following line is the one used for Ubuntu 19.04 and 19.10 in http://gambas.sourceforge.net/en/main.html#
Help, Compilation & Installation and found toward the bottom of the page.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
sudo apt-get install build-essential g++ automake autoconf libbz2-dev libmysqlclient-dev unixodbc-dev libpq-dev libsqlite0-dev libsqlite3-dev libglib2.0-dev libgtk2.0-dev libcurl4-gnutls-dev libgtkglext1-dev libpcre3-dev libsdl-sound1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libxml2-dev libxslt1-dev librsvg2-dev libpoppler-dev libpoppler-glib-dev libpoppler-private-dev libasound2-dev  libdirectfb-dev libxtst-dev libffi-dev libqt4-dev libglew-dev libimlib2-dev libv4l-dev libsdl-ttf2.0-dev libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev linux-libc-dev libgstreamer1.0-dev libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-dev libcairo2-dev libgsl-dev libncurses5-dev libgmime-2.6-dev llvm-dev libalure-dev libgmp-dev libgtk-3-dev libssl-dev libqt5webkit5-dev postgresql-server-dev-11 libsdl2-mixer-dev libsdl2-image-dev libsdl2-ttf-dev libqtwebkit-dev libqt5x11extras5-dev

git clone --branch stable --depth=1 https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas.git gambastable

cd gambastable

./reconf-all && ./configure -C

make

sudo make install

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
That's all. The Gambas3 IDE should run from the terminal by typing "gambas3"
Takes about 40 to 60 minutes to install on a Raspberry Pi 4 with 4gb memory.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
I have just downloaded the latest Rpi OS 2021-03-04 Linux kernel 5.10.17
will install on Pi4 4gb and see if the same install instructions work.
Post results when done.

Regards
Mike



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From mike.crean at y7mail.com  Mon Apr 12 11:54:46 2021
From: mike.crean at y7mail.com (Mike Crean)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 09:54:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Gambas-user] WebButton (gb.web.gui)
References: <463661550.839678.1618221286114.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <463661550.839678.1618221286114@mail.yahoo.com>

I use to use gb.web.form and then in Arrangement set the WebButton to centre. How can I do it in gb.web.gui as there is no Arrangement property for the webButton.

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From hans at gambas-buch.de  Mon Apr 12 12:12:37 2021
From: hans at gambas-buch.de (Hans Lehmann)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 12:12:37 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] WebButton (gb.web.gui)
In-Reply-To: <463661550.839678.1618221286114@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <463661550.839678.1618221286114.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <463661550.839678.1618221286114@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c1252c3d-f1ab-c0d2-a17f-21c6675ab39f@gambas-buch.de>

Am 12.04.21 um 11:54 schrieb Mike Crean via User:
> I use to use gb.web.form and then in Arrangement set the WebButton to 
> centre. How can I do it in gb.web.gui as there is no Arrangement 
> property for the webButton.

This is defined via CSS!

Hans

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Mon Apr 12 15:37:06 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 09:37:06 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] main site down
Message-ID: <CALci+FRoMg8S6Kke--ob2+y1hTDTgkV+Jhtipx1jJHHWAk7=5w@mail.gmail.com>

tthe gambas site is down, it sho9w this message:

SqliteSessionManager._get.289: Null object
SqliteSessionManager._get.289
Session.Abandon.113
SqliteSessionManager.Load.101
Session.CreateSession.43
Session.Init.79
Session._get.135
Main.Main.617



[image: imagen.png]

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 12 16:00:23 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 16:00:23 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] main site down
In-Reply-To: <CALci+FRoMg8S6Kke--ob2+y1hTDTgkV+Jhtipx1jJHHWAk7=5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALci+FRoMg8S6Kke--ob2+y1hTDTgkV+Jhtipx1jJHHWAk7=5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57a99c60-4f85-ea9b-25b5-5f4c4927aba6@gmail.com>

Le 12/04/2021 ? 15:37, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit?:
> tthe gambas site is down, it sho9w this message:
> 
> SqliteSessionManager._get.289: Null object
> SqliteSessionManager._get.289
> Session.Abandon.113
> SqliteSessionManager.Load.101
> Session.CreateSession.43
> Session.Init.79
> Session._get.135
> Main.Main.617
> 

Is it better now?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Mon Apr 12 16:15:17 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 10:15:17 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] main site down
In-Reply-To: <57a99c60-4f85-ea9b-25b5-5f4c4927aba6@gmail.com>
References: <CALci+FRoMg8S6Kke--ob2+y1hTDTgkV+Jhtipx1jJHHWAk7=5w@mail.gmail.com>
 <57a99c60-4f85-ea9b-25b5-5f4c4927aba6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALci+FSb866SeRg_0cLjbmHAZcJjuqG3va-7Ds_5uC4ruDXxtg@mail.gmail.com>

the problem is on gambaswiki host, in the meantime I've already started to
test the odbc... I built the gambas from the git, assume, and in few hours
i will send feedback in the other mail

[image: imagen.png]
Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com


El lun, 12 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 10:01, Beno?t Minisini (g4mba5 at gmail.com)
escribi?:

> Le 12/04/2021 ? 15:37, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit :
> > tthe gambas site is down, it sho9w this message:
> >
> > SqliteSessionManager._get.289: Null object
> > SqliteSessionManager._get.289
> > Session.Abandon.113
> > SqliteSessionManager.Load.101
> > Session.CreateSession.43
> > Session.Init.79
> > Session._get.135
> > Main.Main.617
> >
>
> Is it better now?
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 12 16:27:43 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 16:27:43 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] main site down
In-Reply-To: <CALci+FSb866SeRg_0cLjbmHAZcJjuqG3va-7Ds_5uC4ruDXxtg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALci+FRoMg8S6Kke--ob2+y1hTDTgkV+Jhtipx1jJHHWAk7=5w@mail.gmail.com>
 <57a99c60-4f85-ea9b-25b5-5f4c4927aba6@gmail.com>
 <CALci+FSb866SeRg_0cLjbmHAZcJjuqG3va-7Ds_5uC4ruDXxtg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8643ea82-b76c-da12-662b-3a0cdcfd0056@gmail.com>

Le 12/04/2021 ? 16:15, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit?:
> the problem is on gambaswiki host, 

I know. There was another bug. It should work now.

> in the meantime I've already started 
> to test the odbc... I built the gambas from the git, assume, and in few 
> hours i will send feedback in the other mail
> 

Waiting for this!

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From lordheavym at gmail.com  Mon Apr 12 17:02:28 2021
From: lordheavym at gmail.com (Laurent Carlier)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 17:02:28 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] main site down
In-Reply-To: <8643ea82-b76c-da12-662b-3a0cdcfd0056@gmail.com>
References: <CALci+FRoMg8S6Kke--ob2+y1hTDTgkV+Jhtipx1jJHHWAk7=5w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALci+FSb866SeRg_0cLjbmHAZcJjuqG3va-7Ds_5uC4ruDXxtg@mail.gmail.com>
 <8643ea82-b76c-da12-662b-3a0cdcfd0056@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2965884.ZaLGF5vgqn@lordh-pc>

Le lundi 12 avril 2021, 16:27:43 CEST Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
> Le 12/04/2021 ? 16:15, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit :
> > the problem is on gambaswiki host,
> 
> I know. There was another bug. It should work now.
> 
> > in the meantime I've already started
> > to test the odbc... I built the gambas from the git, assume, and in few
> > hours i will send feedback in the other mail
> 
> Waiting for this!
> 
> Regards,

It's back now. 

I don't know if it's related; i can't login on the bugtracker (user: 
lordheavy) - meanwhile i can register with the username agai - and again - but 
still can't login :-(

Regards.
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 12 17:06:36 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 17:06:36 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] main site down
In-Reply-To: <2965884.ZaLGF5vgqn@lordh-pc>
References: <CALci+FRoMg8S6Kke--ob2+y1hTDTgkV+Jhtipx1jJHHWAk7=5w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALci+FSb866SeRg_0cLjbmHAZcJjuqG3va-7Ds_5uC4ruDXxtg@mail.gmail.com>
 <8643ea82-b76c-da12-662b-3a0cdcfd0056@gmail.com>
 <2965884.ZaLGF5vgqn@lordh-pc>
Message-ID: <e574fadb-286c-9454-6ba8-3d5df014d44e@gmail.com>

Le 12/04/2021 ? 17:02, Laurent Carlier a ?crit?:
> 
> It's back now.
> 
> I don't know if it's related; i can't login on the bugtracker (user:
> lordheavy) - meanwhile i can register with the username agai - and again - but
> still can't login :-(
> 
> Regards.
> 

What happens? Do you have a similar CGI error when login on the bugtracker?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 12 17:07:55 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 17:07:55 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] main site down
In-Reply-To: <e574fadb-286c-9454-6ba8-3d5df014d44e@gmail.com>
References: <CALci+FRoMg8S6Kke--ob2+y1hTDTgkV+Jhtipx1jJHHWAk7=5w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALci+FSb866SeRg_0cLjbmHAZcJjuqG3va-7Ds_5uC4ruDXxtg@mail.gmail.com>
 <8643ea82-b76c-da12-662b-3a0cdcfd0056@gmail.com>
 <2965884.ZaLGF5vgqn@lordh-pc>
 <e574fadb-286c-9454-6ba8-3d5df014d44e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <999cae7b-d2f2-c404-afe3-e30f87314485@gmail.com>

Le 12/04/2021 ? 17:06, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
> Le 12/04/2021 ? 17:02, Laurent Carlier a ?crit?:
>>
>> It's back now.
>>
>> I don't know if it's related; i can't login on the bugtracker (user:
>> lordheavy) - meanwhile i can register with the username agai - and 
>> again - but
>> still can't login :-(
>>
>> Regards.
>>
> 
> What happens? Do you have a similar CGI error when login on the bugtracker?
> 

Well you should. Is it better now?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From lordheavym at gmail.com  Mon Apr 12 17:25:47 2021
From: lordheavym at gmail.com (Laurent Carlier)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 17:25:47 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] main site down
In-Reply-To: <999cae7b-d2f2-c404-afe3-e30f87314485@gmail.com>
References: <CALci+FRoMg8S6Kke--ob2+y1hTDTgkV+Jhtipx1jJHHWAk7=5w@mail.gmail.com>
 <e574fadb-286c-9454-6ba8-3d5df014d44e@gmail.com>
 <999cae7b-d2f2-c404-afe3-e30f87314485@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7528778.aMSfh9HFgg@lordh-pc>

Le lundi 12 avril 2021, 17:07:55 CEST Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
> Le 12/04/2021 ? 17:06, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
> > Le 12/04/2021 ? 17:02, Laurent Carlier a ?crit :
> >> It's back now.
> >> 
> >> I don't know if it's related; i can't login on the bugtracker (user:
> >> lordheavy) - meanwhile i can register with the username agai - and
> >> again - but
> >> still can't login :-(
> >> 
> >> Regards.
> > 
> > What happens? Do you have a similar CGI error when login on the
> > bugtracker?
> 
> Well you should. Is it better now?

no, it isn't.
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 12 17:41:34 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 16:41:34 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] main site down
In-Reply-To: <7528778.aMSfh9HFgg@lordh-pc>
References: <CALci+FRoMg8S6Kke--ob2+y1hTDTgkV+Jhtipx1jJHHWAk7=5w@mail.gmail.com>
 <e574fadb-286c-9454-6ba8-3d5df014d44e@gmail.com>
 <999cae7b-d2f2-c404-afe3-e30f87314485@gmail.com>
 <7528778.aMSfh9HFgg@lordh-pc>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCDWgfxPAt71fRT43fhBjYD4uG0oNqie1e3xa3w3nL49HQ@mail.gmail.com>

It's all working okay here.

BruceS

On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 at 16:26, Laurent Carlier <lordheavym at gmail.com> wrote:

> Le lundi 12 avril 2021, 17:07:55 CEST Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
> > Le 12/04/2021 ? 17:06, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
> > > Le 12/04/2021 ? 17:02, Laurent Carlier a ?crit :
> > >> It's back now.
> > >>
> > >> I don't know if it's related; i can't login on the bugtracker (user:
> > >> lordheavy) - meanwhile i can register with the username agai - and
> > >> again - but
> > >> still can't login :-(
> > >>
> > >> Regards.
> > >
> > > What happens? Do you have a similar CGI error when login on the
> > > bugtracker?
> >
> > Well you should. Is it better now?
>
> no, it isn't.
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Mon Apr 12 17:47:35 2021
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 17:47:35 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] main site down
In-Reply-To: <7528778.aMSfh9HFgg@lordh-pc>
References: <CALci+FRoMg8S6Kke--ob2+y1hTDTgkV+Jhtipx1jJHHWAk7=5w@mail.gmail.com>
 <e574fadb-286c-9454-6ba8-3d5df014d44e@gmail.com>
 <999cae7b-d2f2-c404-afe3-e30f87314485@gmail.com>
 <7528778.aMSfh9HFgg@lordh-pc>
Message-ID: <CAJ2rqFYz6VRcsTaV03v_A4tT84JsDr7-XKNrkiTq2Y_95KpvPg@mail.gmail.com>

Il giorno lun 12 apr 2021 alle ore 17:26 Laurent Carlier <
lordheavym at gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Le lundi 12 avril 2021, 17:07:55 CEST Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
>
> > Well you should. Is it better now?
>
> no, it isn't.
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>

Here it works, both the bugtracker login and the wiki login ?

Regards
Gianluigi
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From lordheavym at gmail.com  Mon Apr 12 19:45:17 2021
From: lordheavym at gmail.com (Laurent Carlier)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 19:45:17 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] main site down
In-Reply-To: <999cae7b-d2f2-c404-afe3-e30f87314485@gmail.com>
References: <CALci+FRoMg8S6Kke--ob2+y1hTDTgkV+Jhtipx1jJHHWAk7=5w@mail.gmail.com>
 <e574fadb-286c-9454-6ba8-3d5df014d44e@gmail.com>
 <999cae7b-d2f2-c404-afe3-e30f87314485@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2487865.fUb4z1876u@lordh-pc>

Le lundi 12 avril 2021, 17:07:55 CEST Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
> Le 12/04/2021 ? 17:06, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
> > Le 12/04/2021 ? 17:02, Laurent Carlier a ?crit :
> >> It's back now.
> >> 
> >> I don't know if it's related; i can't login on the bugtracker (user:
> >> lordheavy) - meanwhile i can register with the username agai - and
> >> again - but
> >> still can't login :-(
> >> 
> >> Regards.
> > 
> > What happens? Do you have a similar CGI error when login on the
> > bugtracker?
> 
> Well you should. Is it better now?

ok, i have been able to register with a new user and a new email address (with 
my wife's name and e-mail) but can't retrieve password or re-register with an 
old login and e-mail address.
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From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Mon Apr 12 20:37:16 2021
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 14:37:16 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] How to convert hexadecimal string to Int or Byte?
Message-ID: <964259c2-5c37-a726-377d-3a3774238342@gmail.com>

I have some text data with hex values represented as, for example, "0xF4".

Neither CInt nor CByte seem to recognize "0xF4" or "&HF4" as a hexadecimal representation.

How do I convert a hexadecimal string to an actual number?


-- 
Lee

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 12 21:07:24 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 21:07:24 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] HTTP Client - Authentication Method Missing?
In-Reply-To: <947145be-3665-27d3-9ea0-eee2e43cccae@freenet.de>
References: <947145be-3665-27d3-9ea0-eee2e43cccae@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <b8adadf8-8331-cc67-b3b2-8fcd3e994523@gmail.com>

Le 11/04/2021 ? 13:48, Claus Dietrich a ?crit?:
> With following cli SOAP request I can retrieve the url for the phonebook
> from my fritzbox:
> 
> curl -k -m 5 --anyauth -u <user>:<password> ' http://....'
> 
> Trying to replicate this with Gambas code by using a HttpClient failed.
> The parent curl class provides the const Net.AuthAny, but it seems not
> to be supported by the HttpClient. The program throws an error if I try
> to use it as auth-property and the wiki only lists Net.AuthNone,
> Net.AuthBasic and net.AuthNTLM as allowed authentication methods.
> 
> Are there reason that this authentication method is missing or was it
> possibly forgotten?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Claus
> 

This can be added (please make a request on the bugtracker).

This is not an authentication method, but a libcurl flag telling him to 
try every method until it finds a suitable one.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Mon Apr 12 21:22:45 2021
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 22:22:45 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] How to convert hexadecimal string to Int or Byte?
In-Reply-To: <964259c2-5c37-a726-377d-3a3774238342@gmail.com>
References: <964259c2-5c37-a726-377d-3a3774238342@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFJMe7Qhc=EPZwxMBHWr_T-ua1Y3Cd3SZQYEMJEudF5G_rkpJA@mail.gmail.com>

Val("&HF4") or CInt(&HF4)

Jussi

On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 9:38 PM T Lee Davidson <t.lee.davidson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I have some text data with hex values represented as, for example, "0xF4".
>
> Neither CInt nor CByte seem to recognize "0xF4" or "&HF4" as a hexadecimal
> representation.
>
> How do I convert a hexadecimal string to an actual number?
>
>
> --
> Lee
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Mon Apr 12 22:05:47 2021
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 16:05:47 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] How to convert hexadecimal string to Int or Byte?
In-Reply-To: <CAFJMe7Qhc=EPZwxMBHWr_T-ua1Y3Cd3SZQYEMJEudF5G_rkpJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <964259c2-5c37-a726-377d-3a3774238342@gmail.com>
 <CAFJMe7Qhc=EPZwxMBHWr_T-ua1Y3Cd3SZQYEMJEudF5G_rkpJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bf354018-1014-284c-25bd-a9439a426412@gmail.com>

On 4/12/21 3:22 PM, Jussi Lahtinen wrote:
> Val("&HF4") or CInt(&HF4)
> 
> Jussi
> 

Ah, geez. I missed Val() in the list of conversion functions. Thank you.


> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 9:38 PM T Lee Davidson <t.lee.davidson at gmail.com <mailto:t.lee.davidson at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     I have some text data with hex values represented as, for example, "0xF4".
> 
>     Neither CInt nor CByte seem to recognize "0xF4" or "&HF4" as a hexadecimal representation.
> 
>     How do I convert a hexadecimal string to an actual number?
> 
> 
>     -- 
>     Lee


-- 
Lee

From mike.crean at y7mail.com  Tue Apr 13 06:28:55 2021
From: mike.crean at y7mail.com (Mike Crean)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 04:28:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas 3.15 on Raspberry Pi UPDATE
References: <1553504858.1445558.1618288135553.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1553504858.1445558.1618288135553@mail.yahoo.com>

INSTALL latest Gambas3 on Raspberry pi(4) OS 2021-01-11? Linux kernel 5.4.83 and
Raspberry pi(4) 2021-03-04 Linux kernel 5.10.17
Run the following commands from the terminal to install the latest stable version of Gambas.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If you already have Gambas installed remove it.
===============================================
sudo apt-get --purge remove gambas3
sudo apt-get --yes purge gambas3
sudo apt-get --yes autoremove --purge
sudo apt-get autoclean

To list any remaining packages.

dpkg -l | grep gambas3

Remove the left overs.

sudo apt-get remove --auto-remove gambas3-runtime
sudo apt-get purge gambas3-runtime
=================================================
NOW INSTALL
=================================================

UPDATE 13/04/2021
-----------------

The jessie repository is required.

ADD deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian jessie main contrib non-free rpi
to /etc/apt/sources.list

sudo apt-get update

sudo apt-get install git

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The following line is the one used for Ubuntu 19.04 and 19.10 in http://gambas.sourceforge.net/en/main.html#
Help, Compilation & Installation and found toward the bottom of the page.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
sudo apt-get install build-essential g++ automake autoconf libbz2-dev libmysqlclient-dev unixodbc-dev libpq-dev libsqlite0-dev libsqlite3-dev libglib2.0-dev libgtk2.0-dev libcurl4-gnutls-dev libgtkglext1-dev libpcre3-dev libsdl-sound1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libxml2-dev libxslt1-dev librsvg2-dev libpoppler-dev libpoppler-glib-dev libpoppler-private-dev libasound2-dev? libdirectfb-dev libxtst-dev libffi-dev libqt4-dev libglew-dev libimlib2-dev libv4l-dev libsdl-ttf2.0-dev libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev linux-libc-dev libgstreamer1.0-dev libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-dev libcairo2-dev libgsl-dev libncurses5-dev libgmime-2.6-dev llvm-dev libalure-dev libgmp-dev libgtk-3-dev libssl-dev libqt5webkit5-dev postgresql-server-dev-11 libsdl2-mixer-dev libsdl2-image-dev libsdl2-ttf-dev libqtwebkit-dev libqt5x11extras5-dev

git clone --branch stable --depth=1 https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas.git gambastable

cd gambastable

./reconf-all && ./configure -C

make

sudo make install

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
That's all. The Gambas3 IDE should run from the terminal by typing "gambas3"
Takes about 50 minutes to install on a Raspberry Pi 4 with 4gb memory.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RegardsMike

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From mike.crean at y7mail.com  Tue Apr 13 07:51:23 2021
From: mike.crean at y7mail.com (Mike Crean)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 05:51:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Center a webButton
References: <2134719570.1438478.1618293083012.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2134719570.1438478.1618293083012@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi in Webform1.webform
the code Alignment = Align.Center centres WebLabel1

? { WebLabel1 WebLabel
??? #MoveScaled(1,14.5714,84.1429,5.1429)
??? Font = "sans-serif,bold"
??? Alignment = Align.Center
? }
How do I centre WebButton1 

? { WebContainer1 WebContainer
??? #MoveScaled(1,26.8571,84.1429,7.7143)
??? { WebButton1 WebButton
????? #MoveScaled(0,0,19.2857,5.1429)
????? Width = "5em"
????? Font = "bold"
????? Text = ("Reset")
??? }
? }
RegardsMike



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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Tue Apr 13 10:59:04 2021
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 10:59:04 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Center a webButton
In-Reply-To: <2134719570.1438478.1618293083012@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2134719570.1438478.1618293083012.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <2134719570.1438478.1618293083012@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2rqFbov4jkFiz3Q1jcM1irQT0DYj5s80n8Kr44UO=_aL5Nbw@mail.gmail.com>

Il giorno mar 13 apr 2021 alle ore 07:52 Mike Crean via User <
user at lists.gambas-basic.org> ha scritto:

> Hi in Webform1.webform
> the code Alignment = Align.Center centres WebLabel1
>
>   { WebLabel1 WebLabel
>     #MoveScaled(1,14.5714,84.1429,5.1429)
>     Font = "sans-serif,bold"
>     Alignment = Align.Center
>   }
>
> How do I centre WebButton1
>
>   { WebContainer1 WebContainer
>     #MoveScaled(1,26.8571,84.1429,7.7143)
>     { WebButton1 WebButton
>       #MoveScaled(0,0,19.2857,5.1429)
>       Width = "5em"
>       Font = "bold"
>       Text = ("Reset")
>     }
>   }
>
> Regards
> Mike
>

Hi Mike,

I don't know anything about the web but I assume that, being the Webforms a
product of the Gambas GUI, they work using containers as usual.
See attached example (test)

Regards
Gianluigi
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From mike.crean at y7mail.com  Tue Apr 13 11:30:40 2021
From: mike.crean at y7mail.com (Mike Crean)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 09:30:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Center a webButton
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2rqFbov4jkFiz3Q1jcM1irQT0DYj5s80n8Kr44UO=_aL5Nbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2134719570.1438478.1618293083012.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <2134719570.1438478.1618293083012@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAJ2rqFbov4jkFiz3Q1jcM1irQT0DYj5s80n8Kr44UO=_aL5Nbw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30017329.1470641.1618306240312@mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Gianluigi your work around worked well. Problem solved.
RegardsMike



 

    On Tuesday, 13 April 2021, 5:00:06 pm AWST, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 

Il giorno mar 13 apr 2021 alle ore 07:52 Mike Crean via User <user at lists.gambas-basic.org> ha scritto:

Hi in Webform1.webform
the code Alignment = Align.Center centres WebLabel1

? { WebLabel1 WebLabel
??? #MoveScaled(1,14.5714,84.1429,5.1429)
??? Font = "sans-serif,bold"
??? Alignment = Align.Center
? }
How do I centre WebButton1 

? { WebContainer1 WebContainer
??? #MoveScaled(1,26.8571,84.1429,7.7143)
??? { WebButton1 WebButton
????? #MoveScaled(0,0,19.2857,5.1429)
????? Width = "5em"
????? Font = "bold"
????? Text = ("Reset")
??? }
? }
RegardsMike

Hi Mike,
I don't know anything about the web but I assume that, being the Webforms a product of the Gambas GUI, they work using containers as usual.
See attached example (test)
RegardsGianluigi
 
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Tue Apr 13 22:22:33 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 16:22:33 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] ODBC Access crash
In-Reply-To: <1617850587.161672245@f13.my.com>
References: <c60ddd5e-9953-9c98-53c3-a09cb29357af@gmail.com>
 <1409789805.19645.1617812655126.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
 <9f6cc5db-5ea6-06a2-df9e-e20e9ff6523d@gmail.com>
 <1617850587.161672245@f13.my.com>
Message-ID: <CALci+FQzAfHF+KcQnQE_V+waPa=ZHC5vGgqAY-gGEbHqdrmTfw@mail.gmail.com>

I will clarify for everyone's knowledge in this specific threat (*ODBC
Access crash*) that odbc for msaccess is limited and does not support all
ODBC/msaccess SQL definitions.

additional until yesterday the odbc module for gambas was not working, odbc
works completely in gambs 3.0 to 3.9, gambas 3.10 works but with details,
after that no odbc gambas version works until benoit and zxmarce fixed it a
few days ago in 3.15.90 (master git pre 3.16)

so for working ODBC usage on gambas use 3.9 or my fixed OBS packages (3.9 +
some 3.10 fixeds)

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com


El mi?, 7 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 23:07, Brian G (brian at westwoodsvcs.com)
escribi?:

> Thanks for the info.
>
> Yes I knew that rowcount only works for insert delete and update.
> Oh well.
> And I knew that gambas has support for db access.
>
> I hope your fix make into the release!
>
> I just was getting strange crashes and want to test to the actual drivers.
>
> I am still looking for a free alternative to easysoft...
>
> Gambas ide connections don't seem to work with the easysoft driver, does
> not see tables. and crashes with the mdbtools driver.. causes ide to exit
> At least when I was trying to setup a connection in the project.
> --
> Thanks
> Brian
> Wednesday, 07 April 2021, 01:32PM -07:00 from ML d4t4full at gmail.com:
>
> *On 7/4/21 13:24, Brian G wrote:*
>
> Making direct calls to the odbc drivers, I have been trying different drivers for access and they were doing things i did not understand. In the end will us gambas component.
> Easysoft looks to work, but has issues on the disconnect, mdbTools driver only good for extraction, 'where' does not really work well and returns numbers as text strings, devsoft version just crashes all over.
>
> Count seems to be wrong, -1 for easy soft and 0 for the mdbTools driver, But I think that is being worked on.
> Maybe someone can recommend a better access backend driver.
>
> It was the latest odbc thread that got me thinking about doing an update to the software in gambas. I looked at it a few years ago but it got sidelined to other things.
>
> Looks like in the end inter-opt with my existing databases clients may not be possible in an easy way. Probably just write something to convert everything. big job!!!
>
> If your interested here is the more complete test program I am using:
>
> ' Gambas module file
>
> 'typedef void *                  SQLHANDLE;
> 'typedef SQLHANDLE               SQLHENV;
>
> Public Const SQL_ATTR_ODBC_VERSION As Integer = 200
> Public SQL_OV_ODBC2 As Long = 2 ' supposed to be unsigned
> Public SQL_OV_ODBC3 As Long = 3 ' supposed to be unsigned
>
> Public Const SQL_C_BINARY As Integer = -2
> Public Const SQL_C_BIT As Integer = -7
> Public Const SQL_C_TINYINT As Integer = -6
> Public Const SQL_C_CHAR As Integer = 1                               '/ * CHAR, VARCHAR, DECIMAL, NUMERIC * /
> Public Const SQL_C_LONG As Integer = 4                               '/ * INTEGER * /
> Public Const SQL_C_SHORT As Integer = 5                              '/ * SMALLINT * /
> Public Const SQL_C_FLOAT As Integer = 7                              '/ * REAL * /
> Public Const SQL_C_DOUBLE As Integer = 8                             '/ * FLOAT, DOUBLE * /
> Public Const SQL_C_NUMERIC As Integer = 2
> Public Const SQL_C_DEFAULT As Integer = 99
> ' #define SQL_UNKNOWN_TYPE 0
> ' #define SQL_CHAR 1
> ' #define SQL_NUMERIC 2
> ' #define SQL_DECIMAL 3
> ' #define SQL_INTEGER 4
> ' #define SQL_SMALLINT 5
> ' #define SQL_FLOAT 6
> ' #define SQL_REAL 7
> ' #define SQL_DOUBLE 8
> ' #define SQL_DATETIME 9
> ' #define SQL_VARCHAR 12
>
> Public Const SQL_SUCCESS As Integer = 0
> Public Const SQL_SUCCESS_WITH_INFO As Integer = 1
> Public Const SQL_ERROR As Integer = -1
> Public Const SQL_INVALID_HANDLE As Integer = -2
> Public Const SQL_STILL_EXECUTING As Integer = 2
> Public Error_table As Collection = [Str(SQL_SUCCESS): "Success", Str(SQL_SUCCESS_WITH_INFO): "Success with info", Str(SQL_ERROR): "Error", Str(SQL_STILL_EXECUTING): "Still Executing",
>                                     Str(SQL_INVALID_HANDLE): "Invalid Handle"]
>
> Public Const SQL_LOGIN_TIMEOUT As Integer = 103
>
> Public Const SQL_NTS As Short = -3
> Public Const SQL_NO_DATA As Integer = 100
>
> Public Const SQL_HANDLE_ENV As Integer = 1
> Public Const SQL_HANDLE_DBC As Integer = 2
> Public Const SQL_HANDLE_STMT As Integer = 3
> Public Const SQL_HANDLE_DESC As Integer = 4
>
> Public Const SQL_NULL_HANDLE As Long = 0
> Public SQLHANDLE As Pointer = 0
> Public V_OD_Env As Pointer = 0
> Public V_OD_erg As Integer = 0
> Public V_OD_err As Integer = 0
> Public V_OD_hdbc As Pointer = 0
> Public V_OD_hstmt As Pointer = 0
> Public V_OD_htables As Pointer = 0
> Public V_OD_STAT As Pointer = Alloc(10)
> Public V_OD_msg As Pointer = Alloc(100)
> Public V_OD_mlen As Integer = 0
> Public V_OD_colanz As Integer = 0
> Public V_OD_rowanz As Integer = 0
>
> Public ClientID As Pointer = Alloc(16)
> Public FirstName As Pointer = Alloc(200)
> Public LastName As Pointer = Alloc(200)
>
> Extern SQLAllocHandle(HandleType As Integer, SQL_INPUT_HANDLE As Long, SQL_OUPUT_HANDLE As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
> Extern SQLSetEnvAttr(EnvironmentHandle As Pointer, Attribute As Integer, ValuePtr As Pointer, StringLength As Integer) As Long In "libodbc"
> Extern SQLSetConnectAttr(ConnectionHandle As Pointer, Attribute As Integer, ValuePtr As Pointer, StringLength As Integer) As Long In "libodbc"
> Extern SQLConnect(ConnectionHandle As Pointer, ServerName As String, NameLength1 As Short, UserName As String, NameLength2 As Short, Authentication As String, NameLength3 As Short) As Long In "libodbc"
> Extern SQLDisconnect(ConnectionHandle As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
> Extern SQLFreeHandle(HandleType As Integer, InputHandle As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
> Extern SQLExecDirect(Handle As Pointer, Statement As String, TextLength As Short) As Long In "libodbc"
> Extern SQLBindCol(StatementHandle As Pointer, column As Short, TargetType As Short, TargetValPtr As Pointer, bufferLen As Integer, Strlen_or_indPtr As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
> Extern SQLGetDiagRec(HandleType As Integer, HandlePtr As Pointer, RecordNumber As Short, SQLSTATE As Pointer, NativeErrorPtr As Pointer, MessageText As Pointer, BufferLen As Short, TextLengthPtr As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
> Extern SQLNumResultCols(StatementHandle As Pointer, NumCols As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
> Extern SQLRowCount(StatementHandle As Pointer, NumRow As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
> Extern SQLFetch(StatementHandle As Pointer) As Long In "libodbc"
> Extern SQLTables(StaementHandle As Pointer, CatalogName As String, NameLength1 As Short, SchemaName As String, NameLength2 As Short, TableName As String, NameLength3 As Short, TableType As String, NameLength4 As Short) As Long In "libodbc"
>
>
> Public Sub Main()
>  Dim Statement As String = "Select RefererenceNumber,LastName,FirstName from ClientList"
>  'ODBC_OPEN("CLIENT_INFORMATION_MANAGER") 'Use mdbTools driver
>   ODBC_OPEN("ACCESS_SAMPLE")              'Use Easy Soft driver
>
>    V_OD_erg = SQLAllocHandle(SQL_HANDLE_STMT, V_OD_hdbc, VarPtr(V_OD_hstmt))
>    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>    V_OD_erg = SQLAllocHandle(SQL_HANDLE_STMT, V_OD_hdbc, VarPtr(V_OD_htables))
>    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>
>  V_OD_erg = SQLBindCol(V_OD_hstmt, 1, SQL_C_LONG, ClientID, 16, VarPtr(V_OD_err))
>  V_OD_erg = SQLBindCol(V_OD_hstmt, 2, SQL_C_CHAR, LastName, 200, VarPtr(V_OD_err))
>  V_OD_erg = SQLBindCol(V_OD_hstmt, 3, SQL_C_CHAR, FirstName, 200, VarPtr(V_OD_err))
>    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>
>  V_OD_erg = SQLExecDirect(V_OD_hstmt, Statement, Statement.len)
>   If V_OD_erg <> SQL_SUCCESS And If V_OD_erg <> SQL_SUCCESS_WITH_INFO Then
>             Dim recno As Integer = 1
>             Print "Select Failed = "; Error_table[V_OD_erg];;
>             SQLGetDiagRec(SQL_HANDLE_DBC, V_OD_hdbc, 1, V_OD_stat, VarPtr(V_OD_err), V_OD_msg, 100, VarPtr(V_OD_mlen))
>             Print String@(V_OD_msg)
>             odbc_Close()
>             Quit 1
>    Else
>             Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>    Endif
>
>    V_OD_erg = SQLNumResultCols(V_OD_hstmt, VarPtr(V_OD_colanz))
>    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg];; "Cols="; V_OD_colanz
>    V_OD_erg = SQLRowCount(V_OD_hstmt, VarPtr(V_OD_rowanz))
>     Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg];; "Rows="; V_OD_rowanz
>
>     While SQLFetch(V_OD_hstmt) = SQL_SUCCESS
>       'Print string@(ClientId);; String@(LastName); ","; String@(FirstName)   ' mdbTools driver
>       Print Long@(ClientId);; String@(LastName); ","; String@(FirstName)      ' easy soft driver
>     Wend
>
>     Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>    V_OD_erg = SQLTables(V_OD_htables, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0)
>      V_OD_erg = SQLNumResultCols(V_OD_htables, VarPtr(V_OD_colanz))
>    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg];; "Cols="; V_OD_colanz
>    V_OD_erg = SQLRowCount(V_OD_htables, VarPtr(V_OD_rowanz))
>     Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg];; "Rows="; V_OD_rowanz
>
>  odbc_Close()
>
>  Print "All Done"
>
> End
>
> Public Sub ODBC_OPEN(DataBase As String)
>
>    V_OD_erg = SQLAllocHandle(SQL_HANDLE_ENV, SQL_NULL_HANDLE, VarPtr(V_OD_Env))
>    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>    V_OD_erg = SQLSetEnvAttr(V_OD_Env, SQL_ATTR_ODBC_VERSION, SQL_OV_ODBC3, 0)
>    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>    V_OD_erg = SQLAllocHandle(SQL_HANDLE_DBC, V_OD_Env, VarPtr(V_OD_hdbc))
>    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>    V_OD_erg = SQLSetConnectAttr(V_OD_hdbc, SQL_LOGIN_TIMEOUT, 5, 0)
>    Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>    V_OD_erg = SQLConnect(V_OD_hdbc, DataBase, Database.len, "", 0, "", 0)
>    If V_OD_erg <> SQL_SUCCESS And If V_OD_erg <> SQL_SUCCESS_WITH_INFO Then
>             Dim recno As Integer = 1
>             While SQLGetDiagRec(SQL_HANDLE_DBC, V_OD_hdbc, recno, V_OD_stat, VarPtr(V_OD_err), V_OD_msg, 100, VarPtr(V_OD_mlen)) <> SQL_NO_DATA
>                 Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg];; String@(V_OD_msg)
>                 Inc recno
>             Wend
>    Else
>             Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>    Endif
>
> End
>
> Public Sub odbc_Close()
>     V_OD_erg = SQLFreeHandle(SQL_HANDLE_STMT, V_OD_HTABLES)
>     Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>     V_OD_erg = SQLFreeHandle(SQL_HANDLE_STMT, V_OD_HSTMT)
>     Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>     V_OD_erg = SQLDisconnect(V_OD_HDBC)
>     Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>     V_OD_erg = SQLFreeHandle(SQL_HANDLE_DBC, V_OD_HDBC)
>     Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>     V_OD_erg = SQLFreeHandle(SQL_HANDLE_ENV, V_OD_Env)
>     Print Error_Table[V_OD_erg]
>
> End
>
> "Failure is the key to success;
>  each mistake teaches us something"  .. Morihei Ueshiba
> Brian G
>
> ----- On Apr 7, 2021, at 2:24 AM, KKing kicking177 at gmail.com wrote:
> Hi Brian,
> Just curious, what is the basis of your syntax?
> I'm not saying one way better than another but I would have expected
> something more along lines of
> <<
>   Dim $con As New Connection
>   Dim intCount As Integer
>   Dim rs As Result
>   Dim $ExecCmd As String
>   Try $con.Close()
>   $con.Type = "odbc"
>   $con.Host = "CLIENT_INFORMATION_MANAGER"
>   $con.Open()
>   $ExecCmd = "Select FirstName from ClientList "
>   rs = $con.Exec($ExecCmd)
>   intCount = rs.Count
>   While (rs.Available)
>     Print "V_OD_erg:" & rs!FirstName
>     rs.MoveNext
>   Wend
> <<
>
> BrianG, what you did is not only astounding, but also way hardcore.
> Time ago, I wished there was a way for a Gambas program to create and
> populate Gambas Database objects via low level calls to ODBC, but proved
> either way out of my league or plain impossible.
>
> Coupla pointers:
>
> o- The ODBC standard states that only INSERTs, DELETEs and UPDATEs return
> meaninful data in SQLRowCount().
> o- Corollary: Mere SELECTs will stick to have a permanent -1 as result to
> SQLRowCount().
>
> If I remember correctly, it has to do with concurrency, where a SELECT
> you're doing could be influenced by a third party running an INSERT (not my
> words, though).
> Even so, you can "always" use... CURSORS! Problem is, cursors can be
> Driver-provided or DM-provided (DM refers to the ODBC Driver Manager).
> Most RDBM platform drivers do provide cursors (and so you can go back and
> forth in the result set, be the positioning relative or absolute), but
> MDBTools does not.
> I tried to use DM-provided cursors with MDBTools, but it needs to use
> SQLBindCol() calls, which the gb.db.odbc component does not use. No matter,
> fixed some other way.
>
> I have a pending merge request to incorporate changes to the Gambas ODBC
> component to at-long-last support MDBTools (no record count and
> forward-only row navigation, tho).
> Beno?t pulled my ears for a coupla mistakes I made, so I'm working on
> squashing these.
>
> By the way: Since 2015, appx, you can connect to ODBC datasources in
> Gambas with the usual DSN (ODBC.INI section name) or a full-blown
> connection string (?-la VB6/ADO). Just pass the connstring in the
> Connection.Host property and you're done.
> Advantages of connstrings: You can change them on the fly (stored in your
> own INI, for example), no need to get hands dirty with ODBC configuration
> other than adding the drivers to unixODBC, but that's pretty much
> unavoidable.
>
> A sample connstring example:
>
>   $con.Type = "odbc"
>   $con.Host = "Driver=MDBTools;DBQ=~/Access/SampleDatabase.Mdb"  'Look ma!
> No section names from ODBC.INI!
>   $con.Open()
>
> With that you do not have to mess with ODBC.INI.
>
> Hope this helps,
> zxMarce
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From herberthguzman at gmail.com  Wed Apr 14 05:33:03 2021
From: herberthguzman at gmail.com (Herberth Guzman)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 21:33:03 -0600
Subject: [Gambas-user] LBPanel is a Lobo Desktop panel.
Message-ID: <CAJPJa8g0sx+ohXM=sn_vt6qjBvH5=c1pqiGe7Wvf=u0V8-+4tw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

We are developing a panel for the Lobo Desktop, I would like you to try it
and help me improve it. A lot of work to do.

LBPanel is a Lobo Desktop panel made in Gambas3.
https://gitlab.com/lobouse/lbpanel
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Wed Apr 14 14:30:35 2021
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 14:30:35 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Find issue ?
Message-ID: <CAJ2rqFYN9H6tDkm4HShgqjHqCEpB=h0GSJcRc0OCLPbv9onX8w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Benoit,

is this a Find error, or can't arguments be used with "ORDER BY"?
See Attachment

Regards
Gianluigi
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Wed Apr 14 15:48:21 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 09:48:21 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] LBPanel is a Lobo Desktop panel.
In-Reply-To: <CAJPJa8g0sx+ohXM=sn_vt6qjBvH5=c1pqiGe7Wvf=u0V8-+4tw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJPJa8g0sx+ohXM=sn_vt6qjBvH5=c1pqiGe7Wvf=u0V8-+4tw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALci+FQUdRG1t3SxgLjYQYabXWcb4HmbcAzj2UNH=NPFFBAvzw@mail.gmail.com>

i like the way you made "desktop" behaviour XD what a trick!

El mar, 13 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 23:34, Herberth Guzman (
herberthguzman at gmail.com) escribi?:

> Hi
>
> We are developing a panel for the Lobo Desktop, I would like you to try it
> and help me improve it. A lot of work to do.
>
> LBPanel is a Lobo Desktop panel made in Gambas3.
> https://gitlab.com/lobouse/lbpanel
>
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 15 14:22:09 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 14:22:09 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0
Message-ID: <7cdc08d0-f8d9-4fb9-227c-a868e4aadc45@gmail.com>

Hi,

The 3.16.0 has been tagged on gitlab, and there are binary packages 
available in the "Gambas Stable PPA" for Ubuntu 20.10 and 21.04 (older 
Ubuntu packages are being built), so that you can test it.

Report any problem before I make the release official.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 15 14:24:00 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 14:24:00 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Rewamp the Gambas web site ?
Message-ID: <3db8a6ca-2221-d07a-3df9-1fa6cc93f03a@gmail.com>

Hi,

I ask here for any advice about which would be the better software for 
rewamping the Gambas web site with a better look and better features.

Note that I like generated web sites. :-)

Thanks in advance for your answers.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 15 14:24:48 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 14:24:48 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Rewamp the Gambas web site ?
In-Reply-To: <3db8a6ca-2221-d07a-3df9-1fa6cc93f03a@gmail.com>
References: <3db8a6ca-2221-d07a-3df9-1fa6cc93f03a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0393eab4-dd1a-c442-7400-465d9540c3a6@gmail.com>

Le 15/04/2021 ? 14:24, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
> Hi,
> 
> I ask here for any advice about which would be the better software for 
> rewamping the Gambas web site with a better look and better features.
> 
> Note that I like generated web sites. :-)
> 
> Thanks in advance for your answers.
> 

Oops, it's "Revamp", not "Rewamp".

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 15 14:41:18 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 14:41:18 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Rewamp the Gambas web site ?
In-Reply-To: <0393eab4-dd1a-c442-7400-465d9540c3a6@gmail.com>
References: <3db8a6ca-2221-d07a-3df9-1fa6cc93f03a@gmail.com>
 <0393eab4-dd1a-c442-7400-465d9540c3a6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ba9fcd53-6fe9-d6a0-c189-4f53cc7ceece@gmail.com>

Le 15/04/2021 ? 14:24, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
> Le 15/04/2021 ? 14:24, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I ask here for any advice about which would be the better software for 
>> rewamping the Gambas web site with a better look and better features.
>>
>> Note that I like generated web sites. :-)
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your answers.
>>
> 
> Oops, it's "Revamp", not "Rewamp".
> 

And there is a constraint: the ability to insert pages from the wiki 
automatically.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 15 15:43:47 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 14:43:47 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0
In-Reply-To: <7cdc08d0-f8d9-4fb9-227c-a868e4aadc45@gmail.com>
References: <7cdc08d0-f8d9-4fb9-227c-a868e4aadc45@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCB2CKdHa+9DULxvOfdVQu9o_27PafYBfux55qvt2KvX4A@mail.gmail.com>

it merged into my patched version fine.
have installed, will let you know if i find any problems.

BruceS

On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 13:23, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The 3.16.0 has been tagged on gitlab, and there are binary packages
> available in the "Gambas Stable PPA" for Ubuntu 20.10 and 21.04 (older
> Ubuntu packages are being built), so that you can test it.
>
> Report any problem before I make the release official.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From karl.reinl at fen-net.de  Thu Apr 15 16:01:40 2021
From: karl.reinl at fen-net.de (Karl Reinl)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 16:01:40 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0
In-Reply-To: <7cdc08d0-f8d9-4fb9-227c-a868e4aadc45@gmail.com>
References: <7cdc08d0-f8d9-4fb9-227c-a868e4aadc45@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f0cb2fdd26591cdb1f088d891be88679e54e9760.camel@fen-net.de>

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Am Donnerstag, den 15.04.2021, 14:22 +0200 schrieb Beno?t Minisini:
> Hi,
> 
> The 3.16.0 has been tagged on gitlab, and there are binary packages 
> available in the "Gambas Stable PPA" for Ubuntu 20.10 and 21.04
> (older 
> Ubuntu packages are being built), so that you can test it.
> 
> Report any problem before I make the release official.
> 
> Regards,
> 

Salut,

compiling from scratch, went OK
- -- 
Amicalement
Charlie
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Thu Apr 15 17:35:24 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 11:35:24 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0
In-Reply-To: <7cdc08d0-f8d9-4fb9-227c-a868e4aadc45@gmail.com>
References: <7cdc08d0-f8d9-4fb9-227c-a868e4aadc45@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALci+FS4sxYrmh=Tz1J=txDGGALciGhPWYJHaMCy-kQgm+uWYw@mail.gmail.com>

i opened a bug issue agains the package guidelines, i request a review

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com


El jue, 15 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 08:23, Beno?t Minisini (g4mba5 at gmail.com)
escribi?:

> Hi,
>
> The 3.16.0 has been tagged on gitlab, and there are binary packages
> available in the "Gambas Stable PPA" for Ubuntu 20.10 and 21.04 (older
> Ubuntu packages are being built), so that you can test it.
>
> Report any problem before I make the release official.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Thu Apr 15 17:37:34 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 11:37:34 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Rewamp the Gambas web site ?
In-Reply-To: <ba9fcd53-6fe9-d6a0-c189-4f53cc7ceece@gmail.com>
References: <3db8a6ca-2221-d07a-3df9-1fa6cc93f03a@gmail.com>
 <0393eab4-dd1a-c442-7400-465d9540c3a6@gmail.com>
 <ba9fcd53-6fe9-d6a0-c189-4f53cc7ceece@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALci+FQ=UtNgpez1d1zXfQrcASciEnpuDp7NMzFZz7JGZD_NUg@mail.gmail.com>

wiki then will need a "include" featur4e just like wikimedia or redmine do!

in redmine we can do "!include(wikipage"  and this page wiki is inserted in
the line of the curren wiki page

both then rendered as one page only
Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com


El jue, 15 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 08:42, Beno?t Minisini (g4mba5 at gmail.com)
escribi?:

> Le 15/04/2021 ? 14:24, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
> > Le 15/04/2021 ? 14:24, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I ask here for any advice about which would be the better software for
> >> rewamping the Gambas web site with a better look and better features.
> >>
> >> Note that I like generated web sites. :-)
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance for your answers.
> >>
> >
> > Oops, it's "Revamp", not "Rewamp".
> >
>
> And there is a constraint: the ability to insert pages from the wiki
> automatically.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From charlie at cogier.com  Thu Apr 15 17:15:01 2021
From: charlie at cogier.com (Charlie Ogier)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 16:15:01 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0
In-Reply-To: <7cdc08d0-f8d9-4fb9-227c-a868e4aadc45@gmail.com>
References: <7cdc08d0-f8d9-4fb9-227c-a868e4aadc45@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5bc52da8-62d3-e6a2-ca81-80e7417f279e@cogier.com>

Hi Beno?t,

Using Find and Replace dialogue box no longer allows the user to 'Tab' 
from the 'Find' to the 'Replace'.

Looks good though.

Thanks,

Charlie

On 15/04/2021 13:22, Beno?t Minisini wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The 3.16.0 has been tagged on gitlab, and there are binary packages 
> available in the "Gambas Stable PPA" for Ubuntu 20.10 and 21.04 (older 
> Ubuntu packages are being built), so that you can test it.
>
> Report any problem before I make the release official.
>
> Regards,
>


From chrisml at deganius.de  Thu Apr 15 17:44:35 2021
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 17:44:35 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0
In-Reply-To: <7cdc08d0-f8d9-4fb9-227c-a868e4aadc45@gmail.com>
References: <7cdc08d0-f8d9-4fb9-227c-a868e4aadc45@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <413bfd6c-69a8-012d-22e7-0a29e5239547@deganius.de>

Am 15.04.21 um 14:22 schrieb Beno?t Minisini:

> The 3.16.0 has been tagged on gitlab, and there are binary packages
> available in the "Gambas Stable PPA" for Ubuntu 20.10 and 21.04 (older
> Ubuntu packages are being built), so that you can test it.
> 
> Report any problem before I make the release official.

My software breaks here:

'DocumentView.AutoCenter is not a property'

It was renamed to 'Center'. When I grab the pickaxe and look for changes
in DocumentView I find also:

'Column' is now 'Columns', 'Row' has been removed ('Row').

Such changes break existing software without need. At least old
interfaces should be marked as deprecated before, the old names should
be synonyms of the new ones if possible and the authors should be given
time to change their software.

I for myself have no problem to change my software accordingly but I
think of the reputation of Gambas as a stable language.

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

-- 
[x] nail here for new monitor

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 15 17:50:23 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 17:50:23 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0
In-Reply-To: <413bfd6c-69a8-012d-22e7-0a29e5239547@deganius.de>
References: <7cdc08d0-f8d9-4fb9-227c-a868e4aadc45@gmail.com>
 <413bfd6c-69a8-012d-22e7-0a29e5239547@deganius.de>
Message-ID: <cdadf663-c4d0-893d-9734-e8539440199f@gmail.com>

Le 15/04/2021 ? 17:44, Christof Thalhofer a ?crit?:
> Am 15.04.21 um 14:22 schrieb Beno?t Minisini:
> 
>> The 3.16.0 has been tagged on gitlab, and there are binary packages
>> available in the "Gambas Stable PPA" for Ubuntu 20.10 and 21.04 (older
>> Ubuntu packages are being built), so that you can test it.
>>
>> Report any problem before I make the release official.
> 
> My software breaks here:
> 
> 'DocumentView.AutoCenter is not a property'
> 
> It was renamed to 'Center'. When I grab the pickaxe and look for changes
> in DocumentView I find also:
> 
> 'Column' is now 'Columns', 'Row' has been removed ('Row').
> 
> Such changes break existing software without need. At least old
> interfaces should be marked as deprecated before, the old names should
> be synonyms of the new ones if possible and the authors should be given
> time to change their software.
> 
> I for myself have no problem to change my software accordingly but I
> think of the reputation of Gambas as a stable language.
> 
> Alles Gute
> 
> Christof Thalhofer
> 

Yes, I made a mistake with the rename of the DocumentView properties. I 
incorrectly thought that this widget was not used outside of Report 
component and Printer preview.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From ocoquet at 3d-phenomen.fr  Thu Apr 15 18:06:45 2021
From: ocoquet at 3d-phenomen.fr (ocoquet)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 18:06:45 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Rewamp the Gambas web site ?
In-Reply-To: <ba9fcd53-6fe9-d6a0-c189-4f53cc7ceece@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c9be3db206a9cb2e24a9f6302e3147b8@mwinf5d47.me-wanadoo.net>

At my opinion, joomla is the best tool to do this.RegardsOlivier coquetEnvoy? depuis mon appareil Galaxy
-------- Message d'origine --------De : Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> Date : 15/04/2021  14:42  (GMT+01:00) ? : Gambas Mailing List <user at lists.gambas-basic.org> Objet : Re: [Gambas-user] Rewamp the Gambas web site ? Le 15/04/2021 ? 14:24, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:> Le 15/04/2021 ? 14:24, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:>> Hi,>>>> I ask here for any advice about which would be the better software for >> rewamping the Gambas web site with a better look and better features.>>>> Note that I like generated web sites. :-)>>>> Thanks in advance for your answers.>>> > Oops, it's "Revamp", not "Rewamp".> And there is a constraint: the ability to insert pages from the wiki automatically.Regards,-- Beno?t Minisini----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From chrisml at deganius.de  Thu Apr 15 18:33:01 2021
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 18:33:01 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Rewamp the Gambas web site ?
In-Reply-To: <3db8a6ca-2221-d07a-3df9-1fa6cc93f03a@gmail.com>
References: <3db8a6ca-2221-d07a-3df9-1fa6cc93f03a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dc1b6a14-e3e3-a055-95d7-1b4f1c82f44d@deganius.de>

Am 15.04.21 um 14:24 schrieb Beno?t Minisini:

> I ask here for any advice about which would be the better software for
> rewamping the Gambas web site with a better look and better features.
> 
> Note that I like generated web sites. :-)

The Hostsharing people create and render their site with Hugo and change
the content in collaboration.

https://www.hostsharing.net/

What I saw is that Hugo was quite picky with versions for a long time so
that everybody had to use the same version. But they can all use Git (no
database needed) to store the content and this feature alone is very
handy for sharing ideas, because everybody can render the webseite on
the own computer and play around with it. They use branches a lot for
that and even users with few experience take part after a while.

So if I had to write a new website I would use Hugo and Git for static
and Gambas for sure ;-) for interactive things.

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

-- 
[x] nail here for new monitor

From chrisml at deganius.de  Thu Apr 15 18:42:53 2021
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 18:42:53 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0
In-Reply-To: <cdadf663-c4d0-893d-9734-e8539440199f@gmail.com>
References: <7cdc08d0-f8d9-4fb9-227c-a868e4aadc45@gmail.com>
 <413bfd6c-69a8-012d-22e7-0a29e5239547@deganius.de>
 <cdadf663-c4d0-893d-9734-e8539440199f@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6ec114fe-5073-fac4-0705-1165d9804a5b@deganius.de>

Am 15.04.21 um 17:50 schrieb Beno?t Minisini:

> Yes, I made a mistake with the rename of the DocumentView properties. I
> incorrectly thought that this widget was not used outside of Report
> component and Printer preview.

Can you still patch the synonyms in and call them 'deprecated'? This
should be possible for most of the new ones, right?

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

-- 
[x] nail here for new monitor

From gambas at servinfo.it  Thu Apr 15 18:48:45 2021
From: gambas at servinfo.it (Marco Ancillotti)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 18:48:45 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0
In-Reply-To: <7cdc08d0-f8d9-4fb9-227c-a868e4aadc45@gmail.com>
References: <7cdc08d0-f8d9-4fb9-227c-a868e4aadc45@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6ac6ed45-48dc-3183-77a8-7a750ba18da3@servinfo.it>


Hi , when I add a webmenu item to a webform I get that error:



Il 15/04/21 14:22, Beno?t Minisini ha scritto:
> Hi,
>
> The 3.16.0 has been tagged on gitlab, and there are binary packages 
> available in the "Gambas Stable PPA" for Ubuntu 20.10 and 21.04 (older 
> Ubuntu packages are being built), so that you can test it.
>
> Report any problem before I make the release official.
>
> Regards,
>

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From claus.dietrich at freenet.de  Thu Apr 15 19:24:19 2021
From: claus.dietrich at freenet.de (Claus Dietrich)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 19:24:19 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Trouble with 3.16.0
Message-ID: <56f2adb5-5b55-66c4-5740-03042cb750d0@freenet.de>

Hi Benoit

> The 3.16.0 has been tagged on gitlab, and there are binary packages available in the "Gambas Stable PPA" for Ubuntu 20.10 and 21.04 (older
> Ubuntu packages are being >built), so that you can test it.
> Report any problem before I make the release official.

Thanks for the release. I upgraded my 3.15.2 to 3.16.0 from ppa-stable and have trouble on my Mint 19.2 Mate and Mint 20 Cinnamon.

The OK-button of the project loading dialogue is missing. Some fragment of the button seems to there but it is not visible as it should be.



I got a confirmation that this also applies for Mint 20.1 Cinnamon. I am assuming that many people are using the ppa-stable and will upgrade their Gambas without knowing that this was meant to be a test-version. 

Regards

Claus


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From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Thu Apr 15 20:29:48 2021
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 14:29:48 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Rewamp the Gambas web site ?
In-Reply-To: <3db8a6ca-2221-d07a-3df9-1fa6cc93f03a@gmail.com>
References: <3db8a6ca-2221-d07a-3df9-1fa6cc93f03a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <399d7c3e-1c70-0f97-abc9-6b22cfa2ab69@gmail.com>

On 4/15/21 8:24 AM, Beno?t Minisini wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I ask here for any advice about which would be the better software for rewamping the Gambas web site with a better look and 
> better features.
> 
> Note that I like generated web sites. :-)
> 
> Thanks in advance for your answers.
> 

By, "generated", do you mean static generated, or dynamically generated?

For dynamically generated sites Wordpress is obviously the easiest. Olivier mentioned Joomla which is indeed more powerful with 
its complexity bringing a steeper learning curve. And, then, as Christof highlighted, there's also ... Gambas.

A while back I looked at static site generation software in the event I wanted to go that route. I settled on Hugo (written in 
Golang) but then decided against a static site. One nice thing about Hugo is its Data-Driven-Content feature which provides for 
including dynamic content via JSON or CSV.

I also strongly considered Jekyll (written in Ruby) which is used by Github to power its user websites (does Gitlab have a 
similar offering?).


-- 
Lee

From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Thu Apr 15 20:44:55 2021
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 20:44:55 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Rewamp the Gambas web site ?
In-Reply-To: <ba9fcd53-6fe9-d6a0-c189-4f53cc7ceece@gmail.com>
References: <3db8a6ca-2221-d07a-3df9-1fa6cc93f03a@gmail.com>
 <0393eab4-dd1a-c442-7400-465d9540c3a6@gmail.com>
 <ba9fcd53-6fe9-d6a0-c189-4f53cc7ceece@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14edd4ab-a636-e7cd-bba3-2ab26e7f175c@belmotek.net>

Some reserarch:

*www.gnome.org uses*
Category??? Software??? Version
Blog, CMS??? WordPress??? 5.7
Programming Language??? PHP
Database??? MySQL
Web Server??? Nginx

*kde.org uses*
Category??? Software??? Version
Static Site Generator, CMS??? Hugo??? 0.79.0
Programming Language??? Go
Web Server??? Apache
Operating System??? Ubuntu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_(software)

Amazing documentation system:

https://develop.kde.org/docs/d-bus/introduction_to_dbus/

https://gohugo.io/getting-started/quick-start/


The best solution seems to be Hugo

Regards.

Martin.


El 15/4/21 a las 14:41, Beno?t Minisini escribi?:
> Le 15/04/2021 ? 14:24, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
>> Le 15/04/2021 ? 14:24, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I ask here for any advice about which would be the better software 
>>> for rewamping the Gambas web site with a better look and better 
>>> features.
>>>
>>> Note that I like generated web sites. :-)
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for your answers.
>>>
>>
>> Oops, it's "Revamp", not "Rewamp".
>>
>
> And there is a constraint: the ability to insert pages from the wiki 
> automatically.
>
> Regards,
>
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From charlie at cogier.com  Thu Apr 15 21:21:08 2021
From: charlie at cogier.com (Charlie Ogier)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 20:21:08 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0
In-Reply-To: <7cdc08d0-f8d9-4fb9-227c-a868e4aadc45@gmail.com>
References: <7cdc08d0-f8d9-4fb9-227c-a868e4aadc45@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d5554663-2b0d-6c2e-cde9-f64dba6eedab@cogier.com>

Hi Beno?t,

I think the feature of right clicking on an item in the tool box 
bringing up the 'Help' screen should at least be offered in the new menu.

Charlie

On 15/04/2021 13:22, Beno?t Minisini wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The 3.16.0 has been tagged on gitlab, and there are binary packages 
> available in the "Gambas Stable PPA" for Ubuntu 20.10 and 21.04 (older 
> Ubuntu packages are being built), so that you can test it.
>
> Report any problem before I make the release official.
>
> Regards,
>


From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 15 21:57:11 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 21:57:11 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Rewamp the Gambas web site ?
In-Reply-To: <ba9fcd53-6fe9-d6a0-c189-4f53cc7ceece@gmail.com>
References: <3db8a6ca-2221-d07a-3df9-1fa6cc93f03a@gmail.com>
 <0393eab4-dd1a-c442-7400-465d9540c3a6@gmail.com>
 <ba9fcd53-6fe9-d6a0-c189-4f53cc7ceece@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <de947fd4-b130-63cf-f6c5-f333d495dbac@gmail.com>

Le 15/04/2021 ? 14:41, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
> Le 15/04/2021 ? 14:24, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
>> Le 15/04/2021 ? 14:24, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I ask here for any advice about which would be the better software 
>>> for rewamping the Gambas web site with a better look and better 
>>> features.
>>>
>>> Note that I like generated web sites. :-)
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for your answers.
>>>
>>
>> Oops, it's "Revamp", not "Rewamp".
>>
> 
> And there is a constraint: the ability to insert pages from the wiki 
> automatically.
> 
> Regards,
> 

One more precision: I don't want to change the wiki at the moment. Only 
the website front, that I want to remove from sourceforge.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 15 21:59:52 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 21:59:52 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Rewamp the Gambas web site ?
In-Reply-To: <dc1b6a14-e3e3-a055-95d7-1b4f1c82f44d@deganius.de>
References: <3db8a6ca-2221-d07a-3df9-1fa6cc93f03a@gmail.com>
 <dc1b6a14-e3e3-a055-95d7-1b4f1c82f44d@deganius.de>
Message-ID: <59b4b119-7fc2-f018-566b-386c6f9163bc@gmail.com>

Le 15/04/2021 ? 18:33, Christof Thalhofer a ?crit?:
> Am 15.04.21 um 14:24 schrieb Beno?t Minisini:
> 
>> I ask here for any advice about which would be the better software for
>> rewamping the Gambas web site with a better look and better features.
>>
>> Note that I like generated web sites. :-)
> 
> The Hostsharing people create and render their site with Hugo and change
> the content in collaboration.
> 
> https://www.hostsharing.net/
> 
> What I saw is that Hugo was quite picky with versions for a long time so
> that everybody had to use the same version. But they can all use Git (no
> database needed) to store the content and this feature alone is very
> handy for sharing ideas, because everybody can render the webseite on
> the own computer and play around with it. They use branches a lot for
> that and even users with few experience take part after a while.
> 
> So if I had to write a new website I would use Hugo and Git for static
> and Gambas for sure ;-) for interactive things.
> 
> Alles Gute
> 
> Christof Thalhofer
> 

Yes, I didn't think about that, but having something that is based 
directly on git is appealing.

I will look at Hugo.

There should be not a lot of content, as I'd like it to be written in 
the wiki, and then included inside the final website automatically.

At the moment, this is done by IFRAMEs, but they are now disliked by the 
web browser dictators.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 15 22:00:49 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 22:00:49 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Rewamp the Gambas web site ?
In-Reply-To: <399d7c3e-1c70-0f97-abc9-6b22cfa2ab69@gmail.com>
References: <3db8a6ca-2221-d07a-3df9-1fa6cc93f03a@gmail.com>
 <399d7c3e-1c70-0f97-abc9-6b22cfa2ab69@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3fedb2df-dc3c-6fe3-6e82-d3659de12009@gmail.com>

Le 15/04/2021 ? 20:29, T Lee Davidson a ?crit?:
 >
> By, "generated", do you mean static generated, or dynamically generated?
> 

I mean statically, as dynamically is the common way.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 15 22:38:16 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 22:38:16 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0
In-Reply-To: <6ac6ed45-48dc-3183-77a8-7a750ba18da3@servinfo.it>
References: <7cdc08d0-f8d9-4fb9-227c-a868e4aadc45@gmail.com>
 <6ac6ed45-48dc-3183-77a8-7a750ba18da3@servinfo.it>
Message-ID: <146d29e9-1af7-84db-8ba4-41ea80158afe@gmail.com>

Le 15/04/2021 ? 18:48, Marco Ancillotti a ?crit?:
> 
> Hi , when I add a webmenu item to a webform I get that error:
> 
> 
> 
> Il 15/04/21 14:22, Beno?t Minisini ha scritto:
>> Hi,
>>
>> The 3.16.0 has been tagged on gitlab, and there are binary packages 
>> available in the "Gambas Stable PPA" for Ubuntu 20.10 and 21.04 (older 
>> Ubuntu packages are being built), so that you can test it.
>>
>> Report any problem before I make the release official.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
> 

I can't reproduce that bug. Please send me a project that allows to me 
to reproduce it and fix it.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 15 22:38:50 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 22:38:50 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0
In-Reply-To: <d5554663-2b0d-6c2e-cde9-f64dba6eedab@cogier.com>
References: <7cdc08d0-f8d9-4fb9-227c-a868e4aadc45@gmail.com>
 <d5554663-2b0d-6c2e-cde9-f64dba6eedab@cogier.com>
Message-ID: <6f049c55-4dfb-1008-fd31-99a19b9bdf7b@gmail.com>

Le 15/04/2021 ? 21:21, Charlie Ogier a ?crit?:
> Hi Beno?t,
> 
> I think the feature of right clicking on an item in the tool box 
> bringing up the 'Help' screen should at least be offered in the new menu.
> 
> Charlie
> 

OK. I don't think it will block the release, it can be made later.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 15 22:40:12 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 22:40:12 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Trouble with 3.16.0
In-Reply-To: <56f2adb5-5b55-66c4-5740-03042cb750d0@freenet.de>
References: <56f2adb5-5b55-66c4-5740-03042cb750d0@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <96bdcc33-ecce-806e-113a-67b6b3be542e@gmail.com>

Le 15/04/2021 ? 19:24, Claus Dietrich a ?crit :
> Hi Benoit
> 
>> The 3.16.0 has been tagged on gitlab, and there are binary packages
>> available in the "Gambas Stable PPA" for Ubuntu 20.10 and 21.04
>> (older Ubuntu packages are being >built), so that you can test it. 
>> Report any problem before I make the release official.
> 
> Thanks for the release. I upgraded my 3.15.2 to 3.16.0 from
> ppa-stable and have trouble on my Mint 19.2 Mate and Mint 20
> Cinnamon.
> 
> The OK-button of the project loading dialogue is missing. Some
> fragment of the button seems to there but it is not visible as it
> should be.
> 
> 
> 
> I got a confirmation that this also applies for Mint 20.1 Cinnamon. I
> am assuming that many people are using the ppa-stable and will
> upgrade their Gambas without knowing that this was meant to be a
> test-version.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Claus
> 

Ouch. It's a GTK+3 bug, we just have a little part of the button, no 
idea why yet...

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 15 22:41:34 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 22:41:34 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0
In-Reply-To: <5bc52da8-62d3-e6a2-ca81-80e7417f279e@cogier.com>
References: <7cdc08d0-f8d9-4fb9-227c-a868e4aadc45@gmail.com>
 <5bc52da8-62d3-e6a2-ca81-80e7417f279e@cogier.com>
Message-ID: <3d4dbba3-bfdd-2dc9-70d6-3a9de071515b@gmail.com>

Le 15/04/2021 ? 17:15, Charlie Ogier a ?crit?:
> Hi Beno?t,
> 
> Using Find and Replace dialogue box no longer allows the user to 'Tab' 
> from the 'Find' to the 'Replace'.
> 
> Looks good though.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Charlie
> 

A bug in gb.gtk3... Focus moving with TAB does not work anymore.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From chrisml at deganius.de  Fri Apr 16 01:08:07 2021
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 01:08:07 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Rewamp the Gambas web site ?
In-Reply-To: <59b4b119-7fc2-f018-566b-386c6f9163bc@gmail.com>
References: <3db8a6ca-2221-d07a-3df9-1fa6cc93f03a@gmail.com>
 <dc1b6a14-e3e3-a055-95d7-1b4f1c82f44d@deganius.de>
 <59b4b119-7fc2-f018-566b-386c6f9163bc@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0c35ce68-7540-b08d-3612-1b728a815e56@deganius.de>

Am 15.04.21 um 21:59 schrieb Beno?t Minisini:

> Yes, I didn't think about that, but having something that is based 
> directly on git is appealing.

And you have a static site that can hardly be hacked. The only thing to
take care of are binary files which tend to bloat the Git repo. So it
makes sense to think about it before start
and choose something like Git LFS for that.

> I will look at Hugo.
> 
> There should be not a lot of content, as I'd like it to be written in 
> the wiki, and then included inside the final website automatically.

As the wiki works well as it is why not present it in a subdomain (for
instance wiki.gambas-basic.org)? If you use a subdomain you even can
host it on a different server or a different user on the same machine
which makes everything more secure. If you're concerned about consistent
design this can be handled by a common header and footer. I think above
all the wiki needs a (fast) search engine.

> At the moment, this is done by IFRAMEs, but they are now disliked by the 
> web browser dictators.

IFrames are disliked for a long time now, because of privacy reasons, as
they were abused mainly by Facebook to track users.

If you want to integrate content from another website you have to take
care of the 'duplicated content' SEO problem, which can be very
annoying. Better is to let it be or if the content has to be moved to
another place be sure to redirect users and search bots for every single
page to the new place. Otherwise you will lose the search engine ranking
that you have previously worked hard to achieve.

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

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From claus.dietrich at freenet.de  Fri Apr 16 02:38:39 2021
From: claus.dietrich at freenet.de (Claus Dietrich)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 02:38:39 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Missing OK Button on 3.16.0 Open Project Dialogue
Message-ID: <b4979f5a-c590-b3a2-60ba-b95f5897e48e@freenet.de>

Benoit wrote:
>Can you send me a screenshot?

I attached two screenshots from my Mint 20.1 Cinnamon PC

a) Open project dialogue with 3.15.2

b) Open project dialogue after upgrade to 3.16.0

Regards

Claus


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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 02:48:25 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 20:48:25 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Trouble with 3.16.0
In-Reply-To: <96bdcc33-ecce-806e-113a-67b6b3be542e@gmail.com>
References: <56f2adb5-5b55-66c4-5740-03042cb750d0@freenet.de>
 <96bdcc33-ecce-806e-113a-67b6b3be542e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALci+FTWMfm36LYBEjBO9XLUhToh7g8pugvpUuQjmQ+P-NDi_w@mail.gmail.com>

it does not happened in good linux.. maybe those eye candy non usefull
themes i will test tomorrow and report feedback with different version over
geento and debian to find what happened in open dialog

El jue, 15 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 16:41, Beno?t Minisini (g4mba5 at gmail.com)
escribi?:

> Le 15/04/2021 ? 19:24, Claus Dietrich a ?crit :
> > Hi Benoit
> >
> >> The 3.16.0 has been tagged on gitlab, and there are binary packages
> >> available in the "Gambas Stable PPA" for Ubuntu 20.10 and 21.04
> >> (older Ubuntu packages are being >built), so that you can test it.
> >> Report any problem before I make the release official.
> >
> > Thanks for the release. I upgraded my 3.15.2 to 3.16.0 from
> > ppa-stable and have trouble on my Mint 19.2 Mate and Mint 20
> > Cinnamon.
> >
> > The OK-button of the project loading dialogue is missing. Some
> > fragment of the button seems to there but it is not visible as it
> > should be.
> >
> >
> >
> > I got a confirmation that this also applies for Mint 20.1 Cinnamon. I
> > am assuming that many people are using the ppa-stable and will
> > upgrade their Gambas without knowing that this was meant to be a
> > test-version.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Claus
> >
>
> Ouch. It's a GTK+3 bug, we just have a little part of the button, no
> idea why yet...
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 02:54:27 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 20:54:27 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Rewamp the Gambas web site ?
In-Reply-To: <3fedb2df-dc3c-6fe3-6e82-d3659de12009@gmail.com>
References: <3db8a6ca-2221-d07a-3df9-1fa6cc93f03a@gmail.com>
 <399d7c3e-1c70-0f97-abc9-6b22cfa2ab69@gmail.com>
 <3fedb2df-dc3c-6fe3-6e82-d3659de12009@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALci+FSF7igyC_ZTq2yVNw3UX6SWBT-DxOMW92i8fQeUTqE=ag@mail.gmail.com>

all of this crap It's like cooking and not eating the food that you cook.

gambas is a tool to develop not a eye candy site example Benoit.. we must
demonstrate the power of the gambas as the gambas-force site do in the past
http://www.gambasforge.net/ (currently down due lack of resource)

https://sourceforge.net/projects/gambasforge/

*we are supposed to promote our fruits... if gambas is good for the web...
why isn't your main face to the world with gambas? that gives a lot to talk
about.*




Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com


El jue, 15 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 16:01, Beno?t Minisini (g4mba5 at gmail.com)
escribi?:

> Le 15/04/2021 ? 20:29, T Lee Davidson a ?crit :
>  >
> > By, "generated", do you mean static generated, or dynamically generated?
> >
>
> I mean statically, as dynamically is the common way.
>
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>
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 09:20:33 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 08:20:33 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Missing OK Button on 3.16.0 Open Project Dialogue
In-Reply-To: <b4979f5a-c590-b3a2-60ba-b95f5897e48e@freenet.de>
References: <b4979f5a-c590-b3a2-60ba-b95f5897e48e@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCDfbOfVUGkSTA0V3eo9K7s-W1nAU3-q4JuzjsqvzFwCRg@mail.gmail.com>

I have the same issue on Mint20 MATE

On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 at 01:39, Claus Dietrich <claus.dietrich at freenet.de>
wrote:

> Benoit wrote:
> >Can you send me a screenshot?
>
> I attached two screenshots from my Mint 20.1 Cinnamon PC
>
> a) Open project dialogue with 3.15.2
>
> b) Open project dialogue after upgrade to 3.16.0
>
> Regards
>
> Claus
>
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 09:28:21 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 08:28:21 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Missing OK Button on 3.16.0 Open Project Dialogue
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCDfbOfVUGkSTA0V3eo9K7s-W1nAU3-q4JuzjsqvzFwCRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b4979f5a-c590-b3a2-60ba-b95f5897e48e@freenet.de>
 <CABuQYCDfbOfVUGkSTA0V3eo9K7s-W1nAU3-q4JuzjsqvzFwCRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCBfWDs5TM=RtcyAzbmkVEF6OswCAq8=+Lf4101g2N4yNA@mail.gmail.com>

My apologies , it is now fixed after commit
https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/-/commit/4180922807eb32c117b55d53ed839d3535e5a369

Good work Ben, thank you :)

On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 at 08:20, Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have the same issue on Mint20 MATE
>
> On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 at 01:39, Claus Dietrich <claus.dietrich at freenet.de>
> wrote:
>
>> Benoit wrote:
>> >Can you send me a screenshot?
>>
>> I attached two screenshots from my Mint 20.1 Cinnamon PC
>>
>> a) Open project dialogue with 3.15.2
>>
>> b) Open project dialogue after upgrade to 3.16.0
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Claus
>>
>>
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>
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From gambas at servinfo.it  Fri Apr 16 10:04:52 2021
From: gambas at servinfo.it (Marco Ancillotti)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 10:04:52 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0
In-Reply-To: <146d29e9-1af7-84db-8ba4-41ea80158afe@gmail.com>
References: <7cdc08d0-f8d9-4fb9-227c-a868e4aadc45@gmail.com>
 <6ac6ed45-48dc-3183-77a8-7a750ba18da3@servinfo.it>
 <146d29e9-1af7-84db-8ba4-41ea80158afe@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1a9542ff-1bbd-060d-380a-a336cd345518@servinfo.it>


Hi Beno?t,
I simply create a new webform application then add the control to the 
main page.

I'm on kubuntu 20.04 , using gambas-team stable ppa.

I have those packages installed:
gambas3
gambas3-devel
gambas3-gb-args
gambas3-gb-cairo
gambas3-gb-chart
gambas3-gb-clipper
gambas3-gb-complex
gambas3-gb-compress
gambas3-gb-compress-bzlib2
gambas3-gb-compress-zlib
gambas3-gb-compress-zstd
gambas3-gb-crypt
gambas3-gb-data
gambas3-gb-db
gambas3-gb-db-form
gambas3-gb-db-mysql
gambas3-gb-db-odbc
gambas3-gb-db-postgresql
gambas3-gb-db-sqlite2
gambas3-gb-db-sqlite3
gambas3-gb-dbus
gambas3-gb-dbus-trayicon
gambas3-gb-desktop
gambas3-gb-desktop-x11
gambas3-gb-eval-highlight
gambas3-gb-form
gambas3-gb-form-dialog
gambas3-gb-form-editor
gambas3-gb-form-mdi
gambas3-gb-form-print
gambas3-gb-form-stock
gambas3-gb-form-terminal
gambas3-gb-gmp
gambas3-gb-gsl
gambas3-gb-gtk
gambas3-gb-gtk-opengl
gambas3-gb-gtk3
gambas3-gb-gtk3-wayland
gambas3-gb-gtk3-webview
gambas3-gb-gtk3-x11
gambas3-gb-httpd
gambas3-gb-image
gambas3-gb-image-effect
gambas3-gb-image-imlib
gambas3-gb-image-io
gambas3-gb-inotify
gambas3-gb-libxml
gambas3-gb-logging
gambas3-gb-map
gambas3-gb-markdown
gambas3-gb-media
gambas3-gb-media-form
gambas3-gb-memcached
gambas3-gb-mime
gambas3-gb-mysql
gambas3-gb-ncurses
gambas3-gb-net
gambas3-gb-net-curl
gambas3-gb-net-pop3
gambas3-gb-net-smtp
gambas3-gb-openal
gambas3-gb-opengl
gambas3-gb-opengl-glsl
gambas3-gb-opengl-glu
gambas3-gb-opengl-sge
gambas3-gb-openssl
gambas3-gb-option
gambas3-gb-pcre
gambas3-gb-pdf
gambas3-gb-poppler
gambas3-gb-qt5
gambas3-gb-qt5-ext
gambas3-gb-qt5-opengl
gambas3-gb-qt5-wayland
gambas3-gb-qt5-webkit
gambas3-gb-qt5-webview
gambas3-gb-qt5-x11
gambas3-gb-report
gambas3-gb-report2
gambas3-gb-scanner
gambas3-gb-sdl
gambas3-gb-sdl-sound
gambas3-gb-sdl2
gambas3-gb-sdl2-audio
gambas3-gb-settings
gambas3-gb-signal
gambas3-gb-term
gambas3-gb-term-form
gambas3-gb-util
gambas3-gb-util-web
gambas3-gb-v4l
gambas3-gb-vb
gambas3-gb-web
gambas3-gb-web-feed
gambas3-gb-web-form
gambas3-gb-web-gui
gambas3-gb-xml
gambas3-gb-xml-html
gambas3-gb-xml-rpc
gambas3-gb-xml-xslt
gambas3-ide
gambas3-runtime
gambas3-scripter


All on version:
3.16.0+git202104141529.bc16e07b5+build6e767bf8~ubuntu20.04.1




Il 15/04/21 22:38, Beno?t Minisini ha scritto:
> Le 15/04/2021 ? 18:48, Marco Ancillotti a ?crit?:
>>
>> Hi , when I add a webmenu item to a webform I get that error:
>>
>>
>>
>> Il 15/04/21 14:22, Beno?t Minisini ha scritto:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The 3.16.0 has been tagged on gitlab, and there are binary packages 
>>> available in the "Gambas Stable PPA" for Ubuntu 20.10 and 21.04 
>>> (older Ubuntu packages are being built), so that you can test it.
>>>
>>> Report any problem before I make the release official.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>
>
> I can't reproduce that bug. Please send me a project that allows to me 
> to reproduce it and fix it.
>
> Regards,
>


From isafiur at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 10:37:03 2021
From: isafiur at gmail.com (Safiur Rahman)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 14:22:03 +0545
Subject: [Gambas-user] Bugs in gambas 3.16
Message-ID: <CADKn0T+19FpyfmAj6dZi+Y=bGOjUQN=3=4Kz28ym9Mo9FQxMBQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

I got some errors using gambas 3.16

1) Array of collations not obtained
        xList = con.Collations
Error: Collations are not supported
(gb.db, gb.deb.mysql, gb.mysql are selected)

2) Send Keys don't work
         Desktop.SendKeys("\t")
Error: Cannot load class 'X11'
(gb.gui.qt, gb.form, gb.image, gb.desktop, gb.desktop.x11 are seleted)

-- 
Regards
Safiur Rahman

From bagonergi at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 11:07:04 2021
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 11:07:04 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0
In-Reply-To: <1a9542ff-1bbd-060d-380a-a336cd345518@servinfo.it>
References: <7cdc08d0-f8d9-4fb9-227c-a868e4aadc45@gmail.com>
 <6ac6ed45-48dc-3183-77a8-7a750ba18da3@servinfo.it>
 <146d29e9-1af7-84db-8ba4-41ea80158afe@gmail.com>
 <1a9542ff-1bbd-060d-380a-a336cd345518@servinfo.it>
Message-ID: <CAJ2rqFa5V5LLovQYXHy8QXZ2tpVTkC8kF88exQ6q1W0bX1nEiQ@mail.gmail.com>

Il giorno ven 16 apr 2021 alle ore 10:05 Marco Ancillotti <
gambas at servinfo.it> ha scritto:

>
> Hi Beno?t,
> I simply create a new webform application then add the control to the
> main page.
>
> I'm on kubuntu 20.04 , using gambas-team stable ppa.
> ...
>

Hi Marco,

are you using gb.web.form or gb.web.gui?
If you are using form change it to gui and try again, maybe it works.

Regards
Gianluigi
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From claus.dietrich at freenet.de  Fri Apr 16 11:18:05 2021
From: claus.dietrich at freenet.de (Claus Dietrich)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 11:18:05 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Missing OK Button on 3.16.0 Open Project Dialogue
Message-ID: <46879ed8-ee6d-448e-98d6-7542deee83ef@freenet.de>

This raises the question whether pre-releases should by issued on the
ppa-stable instead of the ppa-daily. People usually rely on the term
"stable".

Regards

Claus

Am 16.04.21 um 09:20 schrieb Bruce Steers:
> I have the same issue on Mint20 MATE
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 11:29:58 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 11:29:58 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Missing OK Button on 3.16.0 Open Project Dialogue
In-Reply-To: <46879ed8-ee6d-448e-98d6-7542deee83ef@freenet.de>
References: <46879ed8-ee6d-448e-98d6-7542deee83ef@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <2383a08e-8062-e816-3cee-737e052caae7@gmail.com>

Le 16/04/2021 ? 11:18, Claus Dietrich a ?crit?:
> This raises the question whether pre-releases should by issued on the 
> ppa-stable instead of the ppa-daily. People usually rely on the term 
> "stable".
> 
> Regards
> 
> Claus
> 

It should not be a problem, as the package names include the git 
synchronization date.

Normally today you should have new 3.16.0 packages whose version is 
greater than the previous ones, so they will replace them automatically.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From gambas at servinfo.it  Fri Apr 16 11:31:10 2021
From: gambas at servinfo.it (Marco Ancillotti)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 11:31:10 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2rqFa5V5LLovQYXHy8QXZ2tpVTkC8kF88exQ6q1W0bX1nEiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7cdc08d0-f8d9-4fb9-227c-a868e4aadc45@gmail.com>
 <6ac6ed45-48dc-3183-77a8-7a750ba18da3@servinfo.it>
 <146d29e9-1af7-84db-8ba4-41ea80158afe@gmail.com>
 <1a9542ff-1bbd-060d-380a-a336cd345518@servinfo.it>
 <CAJ2rqFa5V5LLovQYXHy8QXZ2tpVTkC8kF88exQ6q1W0bX1nEiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6838a39f-081b-5cc8-3be4-eb11189b0b50@servinfo.it>


Hi Gianluigi ,
I'm using gb.web.form as there is no webmenu control available on 
gb.web.gui.



Il 16/04/21 11:07, Gianluigi ha scritto:
>
>
> Il giorno ven 16 apr 2021 alle ore 10:05 Marco Ancillotti 
> <gambas at servinfo.it <mailto:gambas at servinfo.it>> ha scritto:
>
>
>     Hi Beno?t,
>     I simply create a new webform application then add the control to the
>     main page.
>
>     I'm on kubuntu 20.04 , using gambas-team stable ppa.
>     ...
>
>
> Hi Marco,
>
> are you using gb.web.form or gb.web.gui?
> If you are using form change it to gui and try again, maybe it works.
>
> Regards
> Gianluigi
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----


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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 11:32:29 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 11:32:29 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Bugs in gambas 3.16
In-Reply-To: <CADKn0T+19FpyfmAj6dZi+Y=bGOjUQN=3=4Kz28ym9Mo9FQxMBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADKn0T+19FpyfmAj6dZi+Y=bGOjUQN=3=4Kz28ym9Mo9FQxMBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <869780c5-7126-316f-4374-3eadc4296506@gmail.com>

Le 16/04/2021 ? 10:37, Safiur Rahman a ?crit?:
> Hi
> 
> I got some errors using gambas 3.16
> 
> 1) Array of collations not obtained
>          xList = con.Collations
> Error: Collations are not supported
> (gb.db, gb.deb.mysql, gb.mysql are selected)
> 
> 2) Send Keys don't work
>           Desktop.SendKeys("\t")
> Error: Cannot load class 'X11'
> (gb.gui.qt, gb.form, gb.image, gb.desktop, gb.desktop.x11 are seleted)
> 

Please provide some projects that reproduce the bugs.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 11:38:57 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 11:38:57 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0
In-Reply-To: <1a9542ff-1bbd-060d-380a-a336cd345518@servinfo.it>
References: <7cdc08d0-f8d9-4fb9-227c-a868e4aadc45@gmail.com>
 <6ac6ed45-48dc-3183-77a8-7a750ba18da3@servinfo.it>
 <146d29e9-1af7-84db-8ba4-41ea80158afe@gmail.com>
 <1a9542ff-1bbd-060d-380a-a336cd345518@servinfo.it>
Message-ID: <3da1b6f6-4541-709b-0d14-14a5e36685f8@gmail.com>

Le 16/04/2021 ? 10:04, Marco Ancillotti a ?crit?:
> 
> Hi Beno?t,
> I simply create a new webform application then add the control to the 
> main page.
> 
> I'm on kubuntu 20.04 , using gambas-team stable ppa.
> 
> I have those packages installed:
> gambas3
> gambas3-devel
> gambas3-gb-args
> gambas3-gb-cairo
> gambas3-gb-chart
> gambas3-gb-clipper
> gambas3-gb-complex
> gambas3-gb-compress
> gambas3-gb-compress-bzlib2
> gambas3-gb-compress-zlib
> gambas3-gb-compress-zstd
> gambas3-gb-crypt
> gambas3-gb-data
> gambas3-gb-db
> gambas3-gb-db-form
> gambas3-gb-db-mysql
> gambas3-gb-db-odbc
> gambas3-gb-db-postgresql
> gambas3-gb-db-sqlite2
> gambas3-gb-db-sqlite3
> gambas3-gb-dbus
> gambas3-gb-dbus-trayicon
> gambas3-gb-desktop
> gambas3-gb-desktop-x11
> gambas3-gb-eval-highlight
> gambas3-gb-form
> gambas3-gb-form-dialog
> gambas3-gb-form-editor
> gambas3-gb-form-mdi
> gambas3-gb-form-print
> gambas3-gb-form-stock
> gambas3-gb-form-terminal
> gambas3-gb-gmp
> gambas3-gb-gsl
> gambas3-gb-gtk
> gambas3-gb-gtk-opengl
> gambas3-gb-gtk3
> gambas3-gb-gtk3-wayland
> gambas3-gb-gtk3-webview
> gambas3-gb-gtk3-x11
> gambas3-gb-httpd
> gambas3-gb-image
> gambas3-gb-image-effect
> gambas3-gb-image-imlib
> gambas3-gb-image-io
> gambas3-gb-inotify
> gambas3-gb-libxml
> gambas3-gb-logging
> gambas3-gb-map
> gambas3-gb-markdown
> gambas3-gb-media
> gambas3-gb-media-form
> gambas3-gb-memcached
> gambas3-gb-mime
> gambas3-gb-mysql
> gambas3-gb-ncurses
> gambas3-gb-net
> gambas3-gb-net-curl
> gambas3-gb-net-pop3
> gambas3-gb-net-smtp
> gambas3-gb-openal
> gambas3-gb-opengl
> gambas3-gb-opengl-glsl
> gambas3-gb-opengl-glu
> gambas3-gb-opengl-sge
> gambas3-gb-openssl
> gambas3-gb-option
> gambas3-gb-pcre
> gambas3-gb-pdf
> gambas3-gb-poppler
> gambas3-gb-qt5
> gambas3-gb-qt5-ext
> gambas3-gb-qt5-opengl
> gambas3-gb-qt5-wayland
> gambas3-gb-qt5-webkit
> gambas3-gb-qt5-webview
> gambas3-gb-qt5-x11
> gambas3-gb-report
> gambas3-gb-report2
> gambas3-gb-scanner
> gambas3-gb-sdl
> gambas3-gb-sdl-sound
> gambas3-gb-sdl2
> gambas3-gb-sdl2-audio
> gambas3-gb-settings
> gambas3-gb-signal
> gambas3-gb-term
> gambas3-gb-term-form
> gambas3-gb-util
> gambas3-gb-util-web
> gambas3-gb-v4l
> gambas3-gb-vb
> gambas3-gb-web
> gambas3-gb-web-feed
> gambas3-gb-web-form
> gambas3-gb-web-gui
> gambas3-gb-xml
> gambas3-gb-xml-html
> gambas3-gb-xml-rpc
> gambas3-gb-xml-xslt
> gambas3-ide
> gambas3-runtime
> gambas3-scripter
> 
> 
> All on version:
> 3.16.0+git202104141529.bc16e07b5+build6e767bf8~ubuntu20.04.1
> 

Again, I can't reproduce the bug. As it is on a now deprecated 
component, it's not too important. But if you don't describe exactly 
what you did, I can't fix it.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From isafiur at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 11:47:11 2021
From: isafiur at gmail.com (Safiur Rahman)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 15:32:11 +0545
Subject: [Gambas-user] Bugs in gambas 3.16
In-Reply-To: <CADKn0T+19FpyfmAj6dZi+Y=bGOjUQN=3=4Kz28ym9Mo9FQxMBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADKn0T+19FpyfmAj6dZi+Y=bGOjUQN=3=4Kz28ym9Mo9FQxMBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADKn0TJJfMqsAy6doLE66RMvSbPVt9h0atjCq-X1ggfHCDpd6w@mail.gmail.com>

Attached project to reproduce the bugs.

On 4/16/21, Safiur Rahman <isafiur at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I got some errors using gambas 3.16
>
> 1) Array of collations not obtained
>         xList = con.Collations
> Error: Collations are not supported
> (gb.db, gb.deb.mysql, gb.mysql are selected)
>
> 2) Send Keys don't work
>          Desktop.SendKeys("\t")
> Error: Cannot load class 'X11'
> (gb.gui.qt, gb.form, gb.image, gb.desktop, gb.desktop.x11 are seleted)
>
> --
> Regards
> Safiur Rahman
>


-- 
Regards
Safiur Rahman
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From isafiur at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 12:41:46 2021
From: isafiur at gmail.com (Safiur Rahman)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 16:26:46 +0545
Subject: [Gambas-user] Issues related to Frame
Message-ID: <CADKn0TKrO3XLnn9CUwGQAnC10H2k_xtfdTMr8nhQf=ER6fWy6g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

1) Upto gambas 3.15 Frame had no Alignment property and was always
aligned to left. So in gambas 3.16 the default alignment of frame
should be Left.

2) The children controls of frame in gambas 3.16 have been pushed
downwards. Thus the controls in bottom part of frame are not visible
in older gambas qt5 applications (compiled in gambas 3.15) and we have
to forced to rearrange the contents of all frames for new gambas
version.



-- 
Regards
Safiur Rahman

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 12:51:11 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 12:51:11 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Issues related to Frame
In-Reply-To: <CADKn0TKrO3XLnn9CUwGQAnC10H2k_xtfdTMr8nhQf=ER6fWy6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADKn0TKrO3XLnn9CUwGQAnC10H2k_xtfdTMr8nhQf=ER6fWy6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ed728e1c-9500-01d5-e484-de89f5da7c96@gmail.com>

Le 16/04/2021 ? 12:41, Safiur Rahman a ?crit?:
> Hi
> 
> 1) Upto gambas 3.15 Frame had no Alignment property and was always
> aligned to left. So in gambas 3.16 the default alignment of frame
> should be Left.

No, this is entirely decided by the underlying toolkit and widget theme. 
Some widget theme decide to center the frame label by default, some 
others make it user-configurable, and so on. Now it is explicit.

> 
> 2) The children controls of frame in gambas 3.16 have been pushed
> downwards. Thus the controls in bottom part of frame are not visible
> in older gambas qt5 applications (compiled in gambas 3.15) and we have
> to forced to rearrange the contents of all frames for new gambas
> version.

Indeed. The bug was that you could put controls on the frame, which was 
not a good idea. But for backward-compatibility, I can do the same weird 
thing.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 13:01:31 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 13:01:31 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Issues related to Frame
In-Reply-To: <ed728e1c-9500-01d5-e484-de89f5da7c96@gmail.com>
References: <CADKn0TKrO3XLnn9CUwGQAnC10H2k_xtfdTMr8nhQf=ER6fWy6g@mail.gmail.com>
 <ed728e1c-9500-01d5-e484-de89f5da7c96@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <770816ba-968c-4710-fa6d-acc8ebada6ae@gmail.com>

Le 16/04/2021 ? 12:51, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
>>
>> 2) The children controls of frame in gambas 3.16 have been pushed
>> downwards. Thus the controls in bottom part of frame are not visible
>> in older gambas qt5 applications (compiled in gambas 3.15) and we have
>> to forced to rearrange the contents of all frames for new gambas
>> version.
> 
> Indeed. The bug was that you could put controls on the frame, which was 
> not a good idea. But for backward-compatibility, I can do the same weird 
> thing.
> 

In commit 
https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/-/commit/81ce4a63b28226a5e3c4d59cfd89f7bb180b4703, 
I implemented an intermediate solution:

- If Frame has no arrangement, then I do like before: the controls can 
span the entire Frame area.

- If Frame has arrangement, then I move controls down, to prevent them 
covering the frame label.

I hope it will be enough for you.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From isafiur at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 13:11:15 2021
From: isafiur at gmail.com (Safiur Rahman)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 16:56:15 +0545
Subject: [Gambas-user] Issues related to Frame
In-Reply-To: <CADKn0TKrO3XLnn9CUwGQAnC10H2k_xtfdTMr8nhQf=ER6fWy6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADKn0TKrO3XLnn9CUwGQAnC10H2k_xtfdTMr8nhQf=ER6fWy6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADKn0TK_xG8B_RhRHwvugtevAVxiN6QruYqn6H+H2xe0XyQ8=w@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you

On 4/16/21, Safiur Rahman <isafiur at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> 1) Upto gambas 3.15 Frame had no Alignment property and was always
> aligned to left. So in gambas 3.16 the default alignment of frame
> should be Left.
>
> 2) The children controls of frame in gambas 3.16 have been pushed
> downwards. Thus the controls in bottom part of frame are not visible
> in older gambas qt5 applications (compiled in gambas 3.15) and we have
> to forced to rearrange the contents of all frames for new gambas
> version.
>
>
>
> --
> Regards
> Safiur Rahman
>


-- 
Regards
Safiur Rahman

From bagonergi at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 13:38:04 2021
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 13:38:04 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0
In-Reply-To: <6838a39f-081b-5cc8-3be4-eb11189b0b50@servinfo.it>
References: <7cdc08d0-f8d9-4fb9-227c-a868e4aadc45@gmail.com>
 <6ac6ed45-48dc-3183-77a8-7a750ba18da3@servinfo.it>
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Il giorno ven 16 apr 2021 alle ore 11:32 Marco Ancillotti <
gambas at servinfo.it> ha scritto:

>
> Hi Gianluigi ,
> I'm using gb.web.form as there is no webmenu control available on
> gb.web.gui.
>

Hi Marco,
In your WebForm application go to Properties and change the gb.web.form
component to gb.web.gui then delete Target As WebControl from menu click

Before:
Public Sub WebMenu_Click(Target As WebControl)
Now:
Public Sub WebMenu_Click()

Regards
Gianluigi
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 13:46:47 2021
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 13:46:47 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0
In-Reply-To: <3da1b6f6-4541-709b-0d14-14a5e36685f8@gmail.com>
References: <7cdc08d0-f8d9-4fb9-227c-a868e4aadc45@gmail.com>
 <6ac6ed45-48dc-3183-77a8-7a750ba18da3@servinfo.it>
 <146d29e9-1af7-84db-8ba4-41ea80158afe@gmail.com>
 <1a9542ff-1bbd-060d-380a-a336cd345518@servinfo.it>
 <3da1b6f6-4541-709b-0d14-14a5e36685f8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2rqFYoiNEzUgieFpYpKJY7_Paou3z7jT0=GuvbNyXxLh=yqw@mail.gmail.com>

Il giorno ven 16 apr 2021 alle ore 11:39 Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com>
ha scritto:

> Le 16/04/2021 ? 10:04, Marco Ancillotti a ?crit :
> >
> > Hi Beno?t,
> > I simply create a new webform application then add the control to the
> > main page.
>
> Again, I can't reproduce the bug. As it is on a now deprecated
> component, it's not too important. But if you don't describe exactly
> what you did, I can't fix it.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>

Hi Benoit,
there is a reason why a new web form project is created with gb.web.form
and not with gb.web.gui etc. ?

Regards
Gianluigi
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 13:54:56 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 13:54:56 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0
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Message-ID: <d5318244-dc40-8af6-c9ce-db18ebd6b31f@gmail.com>

Le 16/04/2021 ? 13:46, Gianluigi a ?crit?:
> 
> Hi Benoit,
> there is a reason why a new web form project is created with gb.web.form 
> and not with gb.web.gui etc. ?
> 
> Regards
> Gianluigi
> 

No, I must change that too.

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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 14:33:12 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 14:33:12 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
Message-ID: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>

Hi,

Stable packages are being rebuild.

Launchpad seems to be overloaded, as ARM packages are ready, but we have 
to wait for at least an hour for x86_64 ones! Normally it's the 
contrary, as launchpad ARM servers are usually less powerful.

There will be a V3 with other fixes.

Sorry for this strange way of making pre-releases!

Regards,

-- 
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 14:39:49 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 08:39:49 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
In-Reply-To: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
References: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALci+FQX=-aimV7kY4WmsYsghO94GM8Yzc47Q7SzHg4c1sH6ZQ@mail.gmail.com>

This way of making releases i thinks is good..

people using stable production applications does not use nighty builds..

i noted some new components in gambas, could you tell us what of them
are included and waht not in the 3.16 ? since i do not use ppa's

El vie, 16 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 08:34, Beno?t Minisini
(g4mba5 at gmail.com) escribi?:
>
> Hi,
>
> Stable packages are being rebuild.
>
> Launchpad seems to be overloaded, as ARM packages are ready, but we have
> to wait for at least an hour for x86_64 ones! Normally it's the
> contrary, as launchpad ARM servers are usually less powerful.
>
> There will be a V3 with other fixes.
>
> Sorry for this strange way of making pre-releases!
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

From vuott at tutanota.com  Fri Apr 16 16:00:33 2021
From: vuott at tutanota.com (vuott at tutanota.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 16:00:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Sin(Rad(180)) =  ?
Message-ID: <MYPyt5V--3-2@tutanota.com>

Hello,
excuse me, if I'm not mistaken, the sine of 180? = 0.

?? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sine#Properties_relating_to_the_quadrants

But in Gambas with this:

?? Sin(Rad(180.0))?? I obtain: 1.22464679914735E-16

Why ?

Regards




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From tobs at taboege.de  Fri Apr 16 16:15:26 2021
From: tobs at taboege.de (Tobias Boege)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 16:15:26 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Sin(Rad(180)) =  ?
In-Reply-To: <MYPyt5V--3-2@tutanota.com>
References: <MYPyt5V--3-2@tutanota.com>
Message-ID: <20210416141526.GT2389374@T580.localdomain>

On Fri, 16 Apr 2021, vuott--- via User wrote:
> Hello,
> excuse me, if I'm not mistaken, the sine of 180? = 0.
> 
> ?? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sine#Properties_relating_to_the_quadrants
> 
> But in Gambas with this:
> 
> ?? Sin(Rad(180.0))?? I obtain: 1.22464679914735E-16
> 
> Why ?
> 

Rounding errors. Notice that 1.2246E-16 = 0.00000000000000012246.
This is very close to zero. Small errors happen with the limited
precision of IEEE754 floating point numbers.

Best,
Tobias

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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 16:22:40 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 10:22:40 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Sin(Rad(180)) = ?
In-Reply-To: <20210416141526.GT2389374@T580.localdomain>
References: <MYPyt5V--3-2@tutanota.com>
 <20210416141526.GT2389374@T580.localdomain>
Message-ID: <CALci+FTgDv4BR5BtAPUKF0PtjKqqSYdoEKZ4W=3GBf-UOGYs5Q@mail.gmail.com>

El vie, 16 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 10:15, Tobias Boege
(tobs at taboege.de) escribi?:
>
> Rounding errors. Notice that 1.2246E-16 = 0.00000000000000012246.
> This is very close to zero. Small errors happen with the limited
> precision of IEEE754 floating point numbers.

this only happened on results or always on any poperation?

sorry i am not tested fully gambas yet.. cos i'm at work busy until monday


>
> Best,
> Tobias
>
> --
> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

From vuott at tutanota.com  Fri Apr 16 16:28:15 2021
From: vuott at tutanota.com (vuott at tutanota.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 16:28:15 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Sin(Rad(180)) =  ?
In-Reply-To: <20210416141526.GT2389374@T580.localdomain>
References: <MYPyt5V--3-2@tutanota.com>
 <20210416141526.GT2389374@T580.localdomain>
Message-ID: <MYQ4GBi--3-2@tutanota.com>

Ok, thank you, Tobias.




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16 apr 2021, 16:15 da tobs at taboege.de:

> On Fri, 16 Apr 2021, vuott--- via User wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> excuse me, if I'm not mistaken, the sine of 180? = 0.
>>
>> ?? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sine#Properties_relating_to_the_quadrants
>>
>> But in Gambas with this:
>>
>> ?? Sin(Rad(180.0))?? I obtain: 1.22464679914735E-16
>>
>> Why ?
>>
>
> Rounding errors. Notice that 1.2246E-16 = 0.00000000000000012246.
> This is very close to zero. Small errors happen with the limited
> precision of IEEE754 floating point numbers.
>
> Best,
> Tobias
>
> -- 
> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>

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From roberto.premoli at tiscali.it  Fri Apr 16 16:24:27 2021
From: roberto.premoli at tiscali.it (Roberto Premoli)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 16:24:27 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Sin(Rad(180)) = ?
In-Reply-To: <MYPyt5V--3-2@tutanota.com>
References: <MYPyt5V--3-2@tutanota.com>
Message-ID: <c109e618-0fea-b967-c8d6-8c97e461fe2d@tiscali.it>

On 16/04/21 16:00, vuott--- via User wrote:
> Hello,
> excuse me, if I'm not mistaken, the sine of 180? = 0.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sine#Properties_relating_to_the_quadrants 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sine#Properties_relating_to_the_quadrants>
> 
> But in Gambas with this:
> 
>  ?? Sin(Rad(180.0))?? I obtain: 1.22464679914735E-16
> 
> Why ?
> 
> Regards
> 
roundig error due to NOT ifinite precision of math processor.
do as follow:
parameter = 1000000
sine = (Int(parameter*Sin(Rad(180.0)))/parameter

this will workaround the problem.
tune "parameter" to fix precision in calculation

From vuott at tutanota.com  Fri Apr 16 16:44:22 2021
From: vuott at tutanota.com (vuott at tutanota.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 16:44:22 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Sin(Rad(180)) = ?
In-Reply-To: <c109e618-0fea-b967-c8d6-8c97e461fe2d@tiscali.it>
References: <MYPyt5V--3-2@tutanota.com>
 <c109e618-0fea-b967-c8d6-8c97e461fe2d@tiscali.it>
Message-ID: <MYQ7xHd--B-2@tutanota.com>

Grazie, Roberto.

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16 apr 2021, 16:24 da roberto.premoli at tiscali.it:

> On 16/04/21 16:00, vuott--- via User wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> excuse me, if I'm not mistaken, the sine of 180? = 0.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sine#Properties_relating_to_the_quadrants <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sine#Properties_relating_to_the_quadrants>
>>
>> But in Gambas with this:
>>
>>  ?? Sin(Rad(180.0))?? I obtain: 1.22464679914735E-16
>>
>> Why ?
>>
>> Regards
>>
> roundig error due to NOT ifinite precision of math processor.
> do as follow:
> parameter = 1000000
> sine = (Int(parameter*Sin(Rad(180.0)))/parameter
>
> this will workaround the problem.
> tune "parameter" to fix precision in calculation
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From dickson.tim at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 16 18:09:36 2021
From: dickson.tim at googlemail.com (Tim Dickson)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 17:09:36 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
In-Reply-To: <CALci+FQX=-aimV7kY4WmsYsghO94GM8Yzc47Q7SzHg4c1sH6ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
 <CALci+FQX=-aimV7kY4WmsYsghO94GM8Yzc47Q7SzHg4c1sH6ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <777244cc-9d3c-39d8-86d4-b2a7823ffa79@googlemail.com>

of course, you could use rc1 rc2 etc for release candidates in version 
numbering, then when it is ok enough for the next stable, ditch the .rcN

On 16/04/2021 13:39, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
> This way of making releases i thinks is good..
>
> people using stable production applications does not use nighty builds..
>
> i noted some new components in gambas, could you tell us what of them
> are included and waht not in the 3.16 ? since i do not use ppa's
>
> El vie, 16 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 08:34, Beno?t Minisini
> (g4mba5 at gmail.com) escribi?:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Stable packages are being rebuild.
>>
>> Launchpad seems to be overloaded, as ARM packages are ready, but we have
>> to wait for at least an hour for x86_64 ones! Normally it's the
>> contrary, as launchpad ARM servers are usually less powerful.
>>
>> There will be a V3 with other fixes.
>>
>> Sorry for this strange way of making pre-releases!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> --
>> Beno?t Minisini
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----


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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 18:22:38 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 18:22:38 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
In-Reply-To: <777244cc-9d3c-39d8-86d4-b2a7823ffa79@googlemail.com>
References: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
 <CALci+FQX=-aimV7kY4WmsYsghO94GM8Yzc47Q7SzHg4c1sH6ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <777244cc-9d3c-39d8-86d4-b2a7823ffa79@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <99b6ba60-f352-ba6b-de22-da7e0bedec7f@gmail.com>

Le 16/04/2021 ? 18:09, Tim Dickson via User a ?crit?:
> of course, you could use rc1 rc2 etc for release candidates in version 
> numbering, then when it is ok enough for the next stable, ditch the .rcN
> 

I'm not sure that 3.16.0 > 3.16.0rc1 when a distribution compare package 
names...

So, at least on Gambas Stable PPA, it's 3.16.0-YYYYMMDDHHNN, where 
YYYYMMDDHHNN is when launchpad synchronized with Gambas git repository 
for the last time.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 18:43:36 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 12:43:36 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
In-Reply-To: <99b6ba60-f352-ba6b-de22-da7e0bedec7f@gmail.com>
References: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
 <CALci+FQX=-aimV7kY4WmsYsghO94GM8Yzc47Q7SzHg4c1sH6ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <777244cc-9d3c-39d8-86d4-b2a7823ffa79@googlemail.com>
 <99b6ba60-f352-ba6b-de22-da7e0bedec7f@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALci+FQv73vGf5xTAZLkNDv-7iRWV3EHOPBpuRtRUNy0QyVnZA@mail.gmail.com>

El vie, 16 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 12:23, Beno?t Minisini
(g4mba5 at gmail.com) escribi?:
>
> Le 16/04/2021 ? 18:09, Tim Dickson via User a ?crit :
> > of course, you could use rc1 rc2 etc for release candidates in version
> > numbering, then when it is ok enough for the next stable, ditch the .rcN
> >
>
> I'm not sure that 3.16.0 > 3.16.0rc1 when a distribution compare package
> names...

that's correct, is not mayor than! so cannot be used

>
> So, at least on Gambas Stable PPA, it's 3.16.0-YYYYMMDDHHNN, where
> YYYYMMDDHHNN is when launchpad synchronized with Gambas git repository
> for the last time.

this is worse! totally wrong way ! is the same if you do 3.16.0rc1 etc etc

>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 19:27:57 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 19:27:57 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
In-Reply-To: <CALci+FQv73vGf5xTAZLkNDv-7iRWV3EHOPBpuRtRUNy0QyVnZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
 <CALci+FQX=-aimV7kY4WmsYsghO94GM8Yzc47Q7SzHg4c1sH6ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <777244cc-9d3c-39d8-86d4-b2a7823ffa79@googlemail.com>
 <99b6ba60-f352-ba6b-de22-da7e0bedec7f@gmail.com>
 <CALci+FQv73vGf5xTAZLkNDv-7iRWV3EHOPBpuRtRUNy0QyVnZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6d7a3c5e-4762-5709-e0d3-de454ce0e9c2@gmail.com>

Le 16/04/2021 ? 18:43, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit?:
>>
>> So, at least on Gambas Stable PPA, it's 3.16.0-YYYYMMDDHHNN, where
>> YYYYMMDDHHNN is when launchpad synchronized with Gambas git repository
>> for the last time.
> 
> this is worse! totally wrong way ! is the same if you do 3.16.0rc1 etc etc
> 

Of course not. Think before writing.

-- 
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From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Fri Apr 16 22:25:52 2021
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 22:25:52 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
In-Reply-To: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
References: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <844da327-bb26-462c-2b3a-30b2ff81b834@belmotek.net>

Don't worry, feedback is necessary.
I am not aware if there is any kind of statistics of how many use the 
daily ppa and how many the stable.
Maybe 3 PPAs have to exist: unstable, testing and stable, as in debian. 
Maybe 2, since the unstable may not be necessary since it is in the 
development version of gitlab which leads us to testing / stable.
We always use testing and if something goes wrong we can change to 
stable for a while since it can be available for a few weeks and then it 
is withdrawn, which allows us to achieve more feddback and at the same 
time give the alternative to continue working.

Regards.

Mart?n.

El 16/4/21 a las 14:33, Beno?t Minisini escribi?:
> Sorry for this strange way of making pre-releases! 

From lordheavym at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 23:47:52 2021
From: lordheavym at gmail.com (Laurent Carlier)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 23:47:52 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
In-Reply-To: <99b6ba60-f352-ba6b-de22-da7e0bedec7f@gmail.com>
References: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
 <777244cc-9d3c-39d8-86d4-b2a7823ffa79@googlemail.com>
 <99b6ba60-f352-ba6b-de22-da7e0bedec7f@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3165176.XmbFci6UOx@lordh-pc>

Le vendredi 16 avril 2021, 18:22:38 CEST Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
> Le 16/04/2021 ? 18:09, Tim Dickson via User a ?crit :
> > of course, you could use rc1 rc2 etc for release candidates in version
> > numbering, then when it is ok enough for the next stable, ditch the .rcN
> 
> I'm not sure that 3.16.0 > 3.16.0rc1 when a distribution compare package
> names...
> 
> So, at least on Gambas Stable PPA, it's 3.16.0-YYYYMMDDHHNN, where
> YYYYMMDDHHNN is when launchpad synchronized with Gambas git repository
> for the last time.

You can keep 3.15.90 -> 3.15.91 -> 3.15.92 -> 3.16.0 ?

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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 00:38:35 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 00:38:35 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0
In-Reply-To: <6838a39f-081b-5cc8-3be4-eb11189b0b50@servinfo.it>
References: <7cdc08d0-f8d9-4fb9-227c-a868e4aadc45@gmail.com>
 <6ac6ed45-48dc-3183-77a8-7a750ba18da3@servinfo.it>
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Le 16/04/2021 ? 11:31, Marco Ancillotti a ?crit?:
> 
> Hi Gianluigi ,
> I'm using gb.web.form as there is no webmenu control available on 
> gb.web.gui.
> 

I have installed the Gambas 3.16.0 packages from the stable PPA on an 
Ubuntu 20.10 VM, and I don't have any bug when putting a WebMenuItem on 
a WebForm.

So I guess you did someting wrong on your system. I suggest that you 
remove everything related to gambas (check '/usr/lib/gambas3' and 
'/usr/share/gambas3' once you have uninstall all packages), and 
resintall Gambas from scratch.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 03:03:53 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 21:03:53 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
In-Reply-To: <3165176.XmbFci6UOx@lordh-pc>
References: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
 <777244cc-9d3c-39d8-86d4-b2a7823ffa79@googlemail.com>
 <99b6ba60-f352-ba6b-de22-da7e0bedec7f@gmail.com>
 <3165176.XmbFci6UOx@lordh-pc>
Message-ID: <CALci+FS6tsdyo0y1dOCcZk5PUz3cYaxUa+NmciDLZB2SwWLY+Q@mail.gmail.com>

itr seem nobody understand
the Semantic versioning here.. Y.X.Z < than X.Y.Z+YYYYMMMDDD

learn somemnthing


Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com


El vie, 16 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 17:48, Laurent Carlier (
lordheavym at gmail.com) escribi?:

> Le vendredi 16 avril 2021, 18:22:38 CEST Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
> > Le 16/04/2021 ? 18:09, Tim Dickson via User a ?crit :
> > > of course, you could use rc1 rc2 etc for release candidates in version
> > > numbering, then when it is ok enough for the next stable, ditch the
> .rcN
> >
> > I'm not sure that 3.16.0 > 3.16.0rc1 when a distribution compare package
> > names...
> >
> > So, at least on Gambas Stable PPA, it's 3.16.0-YYYYMMDDHHNN, where
> > YYYYMMDDHHNN is when launchpad synchronized with Gambas git repository
> > for the last time.
>
> You can keep 3.15.90 -> 3.15.91 -> 3.15.92 -> 3.16.0 ?
>
> ++
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 03:16:58 2021
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 04:16:58 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
In-Reply-To: <CALci+FS6tsdyo0y1dOCcZk5PUz3cYaxUa+NmciDLZB2SwWLY+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
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 <99b6ba60-f352-ba6b-de22-da7e0bedec7f@gmail.com>
 <3165176.XmbFci6UOx@lordh-pc>
 <CALci+FS6tsdyo0y1dOCcZk5PUz3cYaxUa+NmciDLZB2SwWLY+Q@mail.gmail.com>
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You could learn communication skills and to use spellchecker.

Jussi


On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 4:05 AM PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>
wrote:

> itr seem nobody understand
> the Semantic versioning here.. Y.X.Z < than X.Y.Z+YYYYMMMDDD
>
> learn somemnthing
>
>
> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>
>
> El vie, 16 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 17:48, Laurent Carlier (
> lordheavym at gmail.com) escribi?:
>
>> Le vendredi 16 avril 2021, 18:22:38 CEST Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
>> > Le 16/04/2021 ? 18:09, Tim Dickson via User a ?crit :
>> > > of course, you could use rc1 rc2 etc for release candidates in version
>> > > numbering, then when it is ok enough for the next stable, ditch the
>> .rcN
>> >
>> > I'm not sure that 3.16.0 > 3.16.0rc1 when a distribution compare package
>> > names...
>> >
>> > So, at least on Gambas Stable PPA, it's 3.16.0-YYYYMMDDHHNN, where
>> > YYYYMMDDHHNN is when launchpad synchronized with Gambas git repository
>> > for the last time.
>>
>> You can keep 3.15.90 -> 3.15.91 -> 3.15.92 -> 3.16.0 ?
>>
>> ++
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From chrisml at deganius.de  Sat Apr 17 08:33:16 2021
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 08:33:16 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
In-Reply-To: <CALci+FS6tsdyo0y1dOCcZk5PUz3cYaxUa+NmciDLZB2SwWLY+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
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Am 17.04.21 um 03:03 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz:

> itr seem nobody understand
> the Semantic versioning here.. Y.X.Z < than X.Y.Z+YYYYMMMDDD
> 
> learn somemnthing

You have to learn. Picco you are too aggressive. Please stop that.

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

-- 
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 12:05:26 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 11:05:26 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 at 02:05, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>
wrote:

> itr seem nobody understand
> the Semantic versioning here.. Y.X.Z < than X.Y.Z+YYYYMMMDDD
>
> learn somemnthing
>
Here's what I learned...

It is not for here to understand you.
It is for you to understand here.

And to ease up a bit , Benoit puts in a huge amount of work into gambas and
he does it his way.
Sometimes small errors are made, then corrected.  (thank you Benoit)

We are all passengers on Benoits free gambas train ride and he lays the
tracks.
This is the way.

learn something,  earn something.  like respect.

Bruce Steers
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From charlie at cogier.com  Sat Apr 17 12:23:06 2021
From: charlie at cogier.com (Charlie Ogier)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 11:23:06 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
In-Reply-To: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
References: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e7acecf5-7df7-20d7-1b1e-4225e05c9953@cogier.com>

Hi Beno?t,

Thanks for fixing the 'Tab' issue. I am having an issue when right 
clicking on a control on a form. The menu does not always appear, and if 
it does it does not always stay visible when the mouse button is released.

Charlie


On 16/04/2021 13:33, Beno?t Minisini wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Stable packages are being rebuild.
>
> Launchpad seems to be overloaded, as ARM packages are ready, but we 
> have to wait for at least an hour for x86_64 ones! Normally it's the 
> contrary, as launchpad ARM servers are usually less powerful.
>
> There will be a V3 with other fixes.
>
> Sorry for this strange way of making pre-releases!
>
> Regards,
>


From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Sat Apr 17 13:34:15 2021
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 13:34:15 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
In-Reply-To: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
References: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64da131b-7d92-177b-a617-4f96293148a9@belmotek.net>

Hi,

Something happens to the ToolButtons in gb.gtk3 as they appear too small.
Maybe it's something related to the desktop.
The system I test version 3.16 on is:
LinuxMint 20.04
Desktop: Mate

Then in gambas 3.15.2 on Manjaro-XFCE v21 all woks fine

I will check in a new VM same Manjaro to do the test in Gambas v3.16

My project is: https://github.com/belmotek/ebook-optimizer

Regards.

Mart?n

El 16/4/21 a las 14:33, Beno?t Minisini escribi?:
> Hi,
>
> Stable packages are being rebuild.
>
> Launchpad seems to be overloaded, as ARM packages are ready, but we 
> have to wait for at least an hour for x86_64 ones! Normally it's the 
> contrary, as launchpad ARM servers are usually less powerful.
>
> There will be a V3 with other fixes.
>
> Sorry for this strange way of making pre-releases!
>
> Regards,
>
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From tobs at taboege.de  Sat Apr 17 14:10:47 2021
From: tobs at taboege.de (Tobias Boege)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 14:10:47 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
In-Reply-To: <CALci+FS6tsdyo0y1dOCcZk5PUz3cYaxUa+NmciDLZB2SwWLY+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
 <777244cc-9d3c-39d8-86d4-b2a7823ffa79@googlemail.com>
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 <CALci+FS6tsdyo0y1dOCcZk5PUz3cYaxUa+NmciDLZB2SwWLY+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20210417121047.GV3027224@highrise.localdomain>

On Fri, 16 Apr 2021, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
> itr seem nobody understand
> the Semantic versioning here.. Y.X.Z < than X.Y.Z+YYYYMMMDDD
> 
> learn somemnthing
> 

Semantic versioning: https://semver.org/

In semantic versioning, the +YYYYMMDD would be so-called build metadata.
The specification explicitly states:

  ?11.1 [...] Build metadata does not figure into precedence

Therefore X.Y.Z == X.Y.Z+YYYYMMDD.

And there is a difference between + and - when appending to a version.
X.Y.Z-YYYYMMDD would make the date into a numeric pre-release version
(see ?9) which is specified to sort *strictly before* X.Y.Z, no matter
what its value is.

3.16.0-rc1 would be completely fine for any package management which
adheres to semantic versioning -- but like Beno?t, I could not find
a list of packager managers which claim to do that. If they only use
some kind of versionsort, then chances are that X.Y.Z-rc1 as well as
X.Y.Z+YYYYMMDD will be greater than X.Y.Z.

Best,
Tobias

-- 
"There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 18:43:43 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 18:43:43 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
In-Reply-To: <e7acecf5-7df7-20d7-1b1e-4225e05c9953@cogier.com>
References: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <023069d3-2506-080c-95fd-1c4899572d50@gmail.com>

Le 17/04/2021 ? 12:23, Charlie Ogier a ?crit?:
> Hi Beno?t,
> 
> Thanks for fixing the 'Tab' issue. I am having an issue when right 
> clicking on a control on a form. The menu does not always appear, and if 
> it does it does not always stay visible when the mouse button is released.
> 
> Charlie
> 

I guess you are using the GTK+3 IDE. For me, the menu always appears, 
but it does not work at all!

In case of emergency, remember that you can run the IDE with QT5 by 
clicking on the IDE icon with the right mouse button to open the 
"action" menu associated with the icon.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 19:30:17 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 19:30:17 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0
In-Reply-To: <6f049c55-4dfb-1008-fd31-99a19b9bdf7b@gmail.com>
References: <7cdc08d0-f8d9-4fb9-227c-a868e4aadc45@gmail.com>
 <d5554663-2b0d-6c2e-cde9-f64dba6eedab@cogier.com>
 <6f049c55-4dfb-1008-fd31-99a19b9bdf7b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a01dbb2c-858b-7c5c-cf4a-8f83d625b9fd@gmail.com>

Le 15/04/2021 ? 22:38, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
> Le 15/04/2021 ? 21:21, Charlie Ogier a ?crit?:
>> Hi Beno?t,
>>
>> I think the feature of right clicking on an item in the tool box 
>> bringing up the 'Help' screen should at least be offered in the new menu.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
> 
> OK. I don't think it will block the release, it can be made later.
> 

I added that in the last commit, please tell me if it is ok for you.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 19:39:07 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 19:39:07 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
In-Reply-To: <64da131b-7d92-177b-a617-4f96293148a9@belmotek.net>
References: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
 <64da131b-7d92-177b-a617-4f96293148a9@belmotek.net>
Message-ID: <e1169660-fb8f-1219-a474-ccc003928db8@gmail.com>

Le 17/04/2021 ? 13:34, Martin a ?crit?:
> Hi,
> 
> Something happens to the ToolButtons in gb.gtk3 as they appear too small.
> Maybe it's something related to the desktop.
> The system I test version 3.16 on is:
> LinuxMint 20.04
> Desktop: Mate
> 
> Then in gambas 3.15.2 on Manjaro-XFCE v21 all woks fine
> 
> I will check in a new VM same Manjaro to do the test in Gambas v3.16
> 
> My project is: https://github.com/belmotek/ebook-optimizer
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Mart?n
> 

I can't run the project on github. It fails at startup with:

FBooklet.AplyTheme.2472: #6: Type mismatch: wanted Integer, got 
Variant[] instead
FBooklet.AplyTheme.2472 FBooklet.Run.151 Main.Main.209

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 23:38:16 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 17:38:16 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
In-Reply-To: <29e62e34-b6ae-c381-8da2-55fc4617e253@deganius.de>
References: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
 <777244cc-9d3c-39d8-86d4-b2a7823ffa79@googlemail.com>
 <99b6ba60-f352-ba6b-de22-da7e0bedec7f@gmail.com>
 <3165176.XmbFci6UOx@lordh-pc>
 <CALci+FS6tsdyo0y1dOCcZk5PUz3cYaxUa+NmciDLZB2SwWLY+Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <29e62e34-b6ae-c381-8da2-55fc4617e253@deganius.de>
Message-ID: <CALci+FRu+nJxm_rRdLjqZy8E_4YOJwo-2hYN8mpA47sGwkZ12Q@mail.gmail.com>

El s?b, 17 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 02:34, Christof Thalhofer (
chrisml at deganius.de) escribi?:

> Am 17.04.21 um 03:03 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz:
>
> > itr seem nobody understand
> > the Semantic versioning here.. Y.X.Z < than X.Y.Z+YYYYMMMDDD
> >
> > learn somemnthing
>
> You have to learn. Picco you are too aggressive. Please stop that.
>

I must emphasize that when I raised that point it is because wll of you
have missed the obvious,  inclusivelly you Benoit you didn't even watch the
video when you were already answering the email with questions that were
answered in it

i reported very good my issues in the bug tracker, i am the only that tries
to document the non so used modules (db.odbc, gb.web, gb.http, etc etc) or
worse, things LIKE:

1. justification for not knowing a bit of semantics VERSIONING and saying
such an outrageous thing as X.Y.Z is greater than X.Y.Z+DATE ?
2. justification for 4 years of an ODBC module that was useless and that
was only realized because two others said the obvious?
3. the justification for overlooking the truth? WHEN we have HTML
components in gambas and the own development and creator doe snot used in
thier hosting but other already triying it?
4. how we can trus in that when all of this happened, NO i will be banned
for sure due i said true in hard way right?



>
> Alles Gute
>
> Christof Thalhofer
>
> --
> Dies ist keine Signatur
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From mnaltrogge at web.de  Sun Apr 18 01:12:48 2021
From: mnaltrogge at web.de (Michael N. Altrogge)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 01:12:48 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
In-Reply-To: <CALci+FRu+nJxm_rRdLjqZy8E_4YOJwo-2hYN8mpA47sGwkZ12Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
 <777244cc-9d3c-39d8-86d4-b2a7823ffa79@googlemail.com>
 <99b6ba60-f352-ba6b-de22-da7e0bedec7f@gmail.com>
 <3165176.XmbFci6UOx@lordh-pc>
 <CALci+FS6tsdyo0y1dOCcZk5PUz3cYaxUa+NmciDLZB2SwWLY+Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <0ff0a118-f56d-7434-29df-ebcfa4e4a028@web.de>

picco,

you should learn when it's time to keep the mouth (or in this case the
fingers) closed and to open the brain and think about all of it ...
moreover ... you reached a point where you're arguments did not count
any more in case of your absolutely unacceptable, impertinent and
insulting behavior!

... just my five cents ...

PJ

p.s.: let me give two cents more:

[... i reported very good my issues in the bug tracker ...]

no you don't ... most of your reports are not understandable and far
away from any kind of English ...

[... document the non so used modules ...]

MAYBE (???) they are not so used because they are not so needed ...


and at least ... gambas is benoits child and he can do whatever he wants
with it!


Am 17.04.21 um 23:38 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz:
>
> El s?b, 17 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 02:34, Christof Thalhofer
> (chrisml at deganius.de <mailto:chrisml at deganius.de>) escribi?:
>
>     Am 17.04.21 um 03:03 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz:
>
>     > itr seem nobody understand
>     > the Semantic versioning here.. Y.X.Z < than X.Y.Z+YYYYMMMDDD
>     >
>     > learn somemnthing
>
>     You have to learn. Picco you are too aggressive. Please stop that.
>
>
> I must emphasize that when I raised that point it is because wll of
> you have missed the obvious,? inclusivelly?you Benoit you didn't even
> watch the video when you were already answering the email with
> questions that were answered in it
>
> i reported very good my issues in the bug tracker, i am the only that
> tries to document the non so used modules (db.odbc, gb.web, gb.http,
> etc etc) or worse, things LIKE:
>
> 1. justification for not knowing a bit of semantics VERSIONING and
> saying such an outrageous thing as X.Y.Z is greater than X.Y.Z+DATE ?
> 2. justification for 4 years of an ODBC module that was useless and
> that was only realized because two others said the obvious?
> 3.?the justification for overlooking the truth? WHEN we have HTML
> components in gambas and the own development and creator doe snot used
> in thier hosting but other already triying it?
> 4. how we can trus?in that when all of this happened, NO i will be
> banned for sure due i said true in hard way right?
>
>
>     Alles Gute
>
>     Christof Thalhofer
>
>     --
>     Dies ist keine Signatur
>
>
>     ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette
>     <http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette> ]----
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Sun Apr 18 01:38:34 2021
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 01:38:34 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
In-Reply-To: <e1169660-fb8f-1219-a474-ccc003928db8@gmail.com>
References: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
 <64da131b-7d92-177b-a617-4f96293148a9@belmotek.net>
 <e1169660-fb8f-1219-a474-ccc003928db8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14f7293e-4a82-44b0-6a5e-8cac1f6613ef@belmotek.net>

ok, surely you use a light theme and not a dark one, and I didn't test 
with light themes, my mistake.
I think now it's fixed if you want you can try again.

Regards.

El 17/4/21 a las 19:39, Beno?t Minisini escribi?:
> Le 17/04/2021 ? 13:34, Martin a ?crit?:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Something happens to the ToolButtons in gb.gtk3 as they appear too 
>> small.
>> Maybe it's something related to the desktop.
>> The system I test version 3.16 on is:
>> LinuxMint 20.04
>> Desktop: Mate
>>
>> Then in gambas 3.15.2 on Manjaro-XFCE v21 all woks fine
>>
>> I will check in a new VM same Manjaro to do the test in Gambas v3.16
>>
>> My project is: https://github.com/belmotek/ebook-optimizer
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Mart?n
>>
>
> I can't run the project on github. It fails at startup with:
>
> FBooklet.AplyTheme.2472: #6: Type mismatch: wanted Integer, got 
> Variant[] instead
> FBooklet.AplyTheme.2472 FBooklet.Run.151 Main.Main.209
>
> Regards,
>

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Sun Apr 18 04:24:29 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 22:24:29 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
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El s?b, 17 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 19:13, Michael N. Altrogge (
mnaltrogge at web.de) escribi?:

> [... i reported very good my issues in the bug tracker ...]
>
> no you don't ... most of your reports are not understandable and far away
> from any kind of English ...
>
almost all over the hole world..


> [... document the non so used modules ...]
>
> MAYBE (???) they are not so used because they are not so needed ...
>
oh interesting so why are those modules there Benoiut?  just to be a gambas
fat?

>
> and at least ... gambas is benoits child and he can do whatever he wants
> with it!
>
so sad! right Benoit? or you just not said nothing?


>
> Am 17.04.21 um 23:38 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz:
>
>
> El s?b, 17 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 02:34, Christof Thalhofer (
> chrisml at deganius.de) escribi?:
>
>> Am 17.04.21 um 03:03 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz:
>>
>> > itr seem nobody understand
>> > the Semantic versioning here.. Y.X.Z < than X.Y.Z+YYYYMMMDDD
>> >
>> > learn somemnthing
>>
>> You have to learn. Picco you are too aggressive. Please stop that.
>>
>
> I must emphasize that when I raised that point it is because wll of you
> have missed the obvious,  inclusivelly you Benoit you didn't even watch the
> video when you were already answering the email with questions that were
> answered in it
>
> i reported very good my issues in the bug tracker, i am the only that
> tries to document the non so used modules (db.odbc, gb.web, gb.http, etc
> etc) or worse, things LIKE:
>
> 1. justification for not knowing a bit of semantics VERSIONING and saying
> such an outrageous thing as X.Y.Z is greater than X.Y.Z+DATE ?
> 2. justification for 4 years of an ODBC module that was useless and that
> was only realized because two others said the obvious?
> 3. the justification for overlooking the truth? WHEN we have HTML
> components in gambas and the own development and creator doe snot used in
> thier hosting but other already triying it?
> 4. how we can trus in that when all of this happened, NO i will be banned
> for sure due i said true in hard way right?
>
>
>
>>
>> Alles Gute
>>
>> Christof Thalhofer
>>
>> --
>> Dies ist keine Signatur
>>
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From mike.crean at y7mail.com  Sun Apr 18 09:54:44 2021
From: mike.crean at y7mail.com (Mike Crean)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 07:54:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
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Hey PICCORO McKAY Lenz you know what to do if you don't like it F--- OFF and annoy some one else.

Mike


 

    On Sunday, 18 April 2021, 10:25:05 am AWST, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 

El s?b, 17 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 19:13, Michael N. Altrogge (mnaltrogge at web.de) escribi?:

  
[... i reported very good my issues in the bug tracker ...]

 
no you don't ... most of your reports are not understandable and far away from any kind of English ...

almost all over the hole world..??
 
[... document the non so used modules ...]
 
MAYBE (???) they are not so used because they are not so needed ...

oh interesting so why are those modules there Benoiut?? just to be a gambas fat?
 

 
 
and at least ... gambas is benoits child and he can do whatever he wants with it!

so sad! right Benoit? or you just not said nothing??
 

 
 Am 17.04.21 um 23:38 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz:
  
  
   El s?b, 17 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 02:34, Christof Thalhofer (chrisml at deganius.de) escribi?:
  
Am 17.04.21 um 03:03 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz:
 
 > itr seem nobody understand
 > the Semantic versioning here.. Y.X.Z < than X.Y.Z+YYYYMMMDDD
 > 
 > learn somemnthing
 
 You have to learn. Picco you are too aggressive. Please stop that.
 
 
 I must emphasize that when I raised that point it is because wll of you have missed the obvious,? inclusivelly?you Benoit you didn't even watch the video when you were already answering the email with questions that were answered in it
 
 i reported very good my issues in the bug tracker, i am the only that tries to document the non so used modules (db.odbc, gb.web, gb.http, etc etc) or worse, things LIKE:
 
  1. justification for not knowing a bit of semantics VERSIONING and saying such an outrageous thing as X.Y.Z is greater than X.Y.Z+DATE ?
 2. justification for 4 years of an ODBC module that was useless and that was only realized because two others said the obvious?
 3.?the justification for overlooking the truth? WHEN we have HTML components in gambas and the own development and creator doe snot used in thier hosting but other already triying it? 4. how we can trus?in that when all of this happened, NO i will be banned for sure due i said true in hard way right? 
  ? 
 
 Alles Gute
 
 Christof Thalhofer
 
 -- 
 Dies ist keine Signatur
 
 
 ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
 
   
  ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
 
 
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From isafiur at gmail.com  Sun Apr 18 10:15:29 2021
From: isafiur at gmail.com (Safiur Rahman)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 14:00:29 +0545
Subject: [Gambas-user] Error in getting value of WebComboBox when changed to
 ReadOnly
Message-ID: <CADKn0TLmKfQ=bu-PBPdFx0e67M07h+CAbS3WSQ=AcKNTeK7m7A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Beno?t

When I convert Non-Readonly WebComboBox to Readonly WebComboBox then
there is an issue in getting Text of WebComboBox

Eg.
Put a WebComboBox in form and set its ReadOnly Property as False

Public Sub _new()

  WebComboBox1.List = ["aaa", "bbb", "ccc", "ddd"]
  WebComboBox1.Text = ""
  WebComboBox1.ReadOnly = True

End

Public Sub WebButton1_Click()

  WebTextBox1.Text = WebComboBox1.Text

End

You get WebTextBox1.Text = -1

Attached project

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Regards
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From chrisml at deganius.de  Sun Apr 18 10:39:08 2021
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 10:39:08 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
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Am 18.04.21 um 04:24 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz:

> almost all over the hole world..?

First have a look what 'hole' means.

No one wants to work with someone who makes accusations all the time and
is barely understandable because he doesn't make the slightest effort to
write proper english in his postings.

This is the reason why you will not be heard. People have told you this
many times, but you haven't changed a thing. What's the matter with you,
are you blocked?

You need to learn first. Learn English* and learn to express yourself
politely. Then people will want to work with you.

Otherwise they won't.

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

* You can do this by letting your postings examine by
https://www.deepl.com/translator before you post. I told you the same
thing years ago.

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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 18 10:52:11 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 09:52:11 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2021, 03:25 PICCORO McKAY Lenz, <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> El s?b, 17 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 19:13, Michael N. Altrogge (
> mnaltrogge at web.de) escribi?:
>
>> [... i reported very good my issues in the bug tracker ...]
>>
>> no you don't ... most of your reports are not understandable and far away
>> from any kind of English ...
>>
> almost all over the hole world..
>

That's whole.
And reporting a few bugs does not make being rude okay.

[... document the non so used modules ...]
>>
>> MAYBE (???) they are not so used because they are not so needed ...
>>
> oh interesting so why are those modules there Benoiut?  just to be a
> gambas fat?
>

I think the point is to not expect much praise for documenting something
nobody uses.
And again, does not make being rude okay.

> and at least ... gambas is benoits child and he can do whatever he wants
>> with it!
>>
> so sad! right Benoit? or you just not said nothing?
>

Sad?
It's his. We have no "say" in how he does things, we only politely request
things.

You'll find Ben leaves the petty squabbling to us ?

You just need to note that if you are rude you will upset some people, as
you have done with that cocky "learn something" comment, cest la vie

BruceS


Am 17.04.21 um 23:38 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz:
>>
>>
>> El s?b, 17 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 02:34, Christof Thalhofer (
>> chrisml at deganius.de) escribi?:
>>
>>> Am 17.04.21 um 03:03 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz:
>>>
>>> > itr seem nobody understand
>>> > the Semantic versioning here.. Y.X.Z < than X.Y.Z+YYYYMMMDDD
>>> >
>>> > learn somemnthing
>>>
>>> You have to learn. Picco you are too aggressive. Please stop that.
>>>
>>
>> I must emphasize that when I raised that point it is because wll of you
>> have missed the obvious,  inclusivelly you Benoit you didn't even watch the
>> video when you were already answering the email with questions that were
>> answered in it
>>
>> i reported very good my issues in the bug tracker, i am the only that
>> tries to document the non so used modules (db.odbc, gb.web, gb.http, etc
>> etc) or worse, things LIKE:
>>
>> 1. justification for not knowing a bit of semantics VERSIONING and saying
>> such an outrageous thing as X.Y.Z is greater than X.Y.Z+DATE ?
>> 2. justification for 4 years of an ODBC module that was useless and that
>> was only realized because two others said the obvious?
>> 3. the justification for overlooking the truth? WHEN we have HTML
>> components in gambas and the own development and creator doe snot used in
>> thier hosting but other already triying it?
>> 4. how we can trus in that when all of this happened, NO i will be banned
>> for sure due i said true in hard way right?
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Alles Gute
>>>
>>> Christof Thalhofer
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dies ist keine Signatur
>>>
>>>
>>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>>
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 18 11:50:12 2021
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Bruce)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 19:20:12 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
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Wwll, I've learned something.

How to set up a rule in gmail to drop emails from certain people.

b

From kicking177 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 18 13:50:17 2021
From: kicking177 at gmail.com (KKing)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 12:50:17 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
Message-ID: <31816044-0f4e-4a83-f308-1c47143be7f0@gmail.com>

> Wwll, I've learned something.
>
> How to set up a rule in gmail to drop emails from certain people.
>
> b
it would be brilliant if we could apply to the email digest distribution 
too :--)



From chrisml at deganius.de  Sun Apr 18 15:58:58 2021
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 15:58:58 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
In-Reply-To: <31816044-0f4e-4a83-f308-1c47143be7f0@gmail.com>
References: <31816044-0f4e-4a83-f308-1c47143be7f0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fd37dc2a-cde9-1a0f-3262-4b79bcee9678@deganius.de>

Am 18.04.21 um 13:50 schrieb KKing:

>> How to set up a rule in gmail to drop emails from certain people.
>>
> it would be brilliant if we could apply to the email digest distribution 
> too :--)

No. I don't like censorship.

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 18 18:09:54 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 18:09:54 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Error in getting value of WebComboBox when
 changed to ReadOnly
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Le 18/04/2021 ? 10:15, Safiur Rahman a ?crit?:
> Hi Beno?t
> 
> When I convert Non-Readonly WebComboBox to Readonly WebComboBox then
> there is an issue in getting Text of WebComboBox
> 
> Eg.
> Put a WebComboBox in form and set its ReadOnly Property as False
> 
> Public Sub _new()
> 
>    WebComboBox1.List = ["aaa", "bbb", "ccc", "ddd"]
>    WebComboBox1.Text = ""
>    WebComboBox1.ReadOnly = True
> 
> End
> 
> Public Sub WebButton1_Click()
> 
>    WebTextBox1.Text = WebComboBox1.Text
> 
> End
> 
> You get WebTextBox1.Text = -1
> 
> Attached project
> 
> 
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> 

You should put your bug reports on the bugtracker instead on the 
mailing-list. That way I will be able to deal with all the issues easily 
as soon as I has time to do so.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From karl.reinl at fen-net.de  Sun Apr 18 19:56:38 2021
From: karl.reinl at fen-net.de (Karl Reinl)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 19:56:38 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
In-Reply-To: <fd37dc2a-cde9-1a0f-3262-4b79bcee9678@deganius.de>
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Am Sonntag, den 18.04.2021, 15:58 +0200 schrieb Christof Thalhofer:
> Am 18.04.21 um 13:50 schrieb KKing:
> 
> > > How to set up a rule in gmail to drop emails from certain people.
> > > 
> > it would be brilliant if we could apply to the email digest
> > distribution 
> > too :--)
> 
> No. I don't like censorship.
> 
> Alles Gute
> 
> Christof Thalhofer
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

Thanks Christof
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Amicalement
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 18 23:45:55 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 23:45:55 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
In-Reply-To: <14f7293e-4a82-44b0-6a5e-8cac1f6613ef@belmotek.net>
References: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
 <64da131b-7d92-177b-a617-4f96293148a9@belmotek.net>
 <e1169660-fb8f-1219-a474-ccc003928db8@gmail.com>
 <14f7293e-4a82-44b0-6a5e-8cac1f6613ef@belmotek.net>
Message-ID: <5dc1ef1e-f5f8-322c-01d7-e15a4432165e@gmail.com>

Le 18/04/2021 ? 01:38, Martin a ?crit?:
> ok, surely you use a light theme and not a dark one, and I didn't test 
> with light themes, my mistake.
> I think now it's fixed if you want you can try again.
> 
> Regards.
> 

Thanks. There was indeed a weird behaviour with GTK+3 (you have no 
problem if you run your project with GTK+2), and I fixed in the last 
master commit.

Can you try it? I will remade a Gambas 3.16.0 package after you tell me 
it's ok for you. I hope it will be the last one!

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Mon Apr 19 00:13:51 2021
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 00:13:51 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
In-Reply-To: <5dc1ef1e-f5f8-322c-01d7-e15a4432165e@gmail.com>
References: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
 <64da131b-7d92-177b-a617-4f96293148a9@belmotek.net>
 <e1169660-fb8f-1219-a474-ccc003928db8@gmail.com>
 <14f7293e-4a82-44b0-6a5e-8cac1f6613ef@belmotek.net>
 <5dc1ef1e-f5f8-322c-01d7-e15a4432165e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cb918ded-671a-adb9-891c-5df913967e31@belmotek.net>

Ok, I remove the webview from the project in a copy project (but did not 
upload those changes to github, you will have to make your changes locally)
Then explicitly use gb.gtk and the icons look correct.
I use .svg icons because I make changes to the colors according to the 
desktop theme using the same file.
Please see the attachments of the results with gtk3, gtk3 and qt5

Regards.


El 18/4/21 a las 23:45, Beno?t Minisini escribi?:
> Le 18/04/2021 ? 01:38, Martin a ?crit?:
>> ok, surely you use a light theme and not a dark one, and I didn't 
>> test with light themes, my mistake.
>> I think now it's fixed if you want you can try again.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>
> Thanks. There was indeed a weird behaviour with GTK+3 (you have no 
> problem if you run your project with GTK+2), and I fixed in the last 
> master commit.
>
> Can you try it? I will remade a Gambas 3.16.0 package after you tell 
> me it's ok for you. I hope it will be the last one!
>
> Regards,
>
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 19 01:25:34 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 01:25:34 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
In-Reply-To: <cb918ded-671a-adb9-891c-5df913967e31@belmotek.net>
References: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
 <64da131b-7d92-177b-a617-4f96293148a9@belmotek.net>
 <e1169660-fb8f-1219-a474-ccc003928db8@gmail.com>
 <14f7293e-4a82-44b0-6a5e-8cac1f6613ef@belmotek.net>
 <5dc1ef1e-f5f8-322c-01d7-e15a4432165e@gmail.com>
 <cb918ded-671a-adb9-891c-5df913967e31@belmotek.net>
Message-ID: <cde6f488-2dcc-6a88-a423-25f1c05ef6c4@gmail.com>

Le 19/04/2021 ? 00:13, Martin a ?crit?:
> Ok, I remove the webview from the project in a copy project (but did not 
> upload those changes to github, you will have to make your changes locally)
> Then explicitly use gb.gtk and the icons look correct.
> I use .svg icons because I make changes to the colors according to the 
> desktop theme using the same file.
> Please see the attachments of the results with gtk3, gtk3 and qt5
> 
> Regards.
> 

The GTK+3 screenshot is still bad. You didn't use the latest master?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Mon Apr 19 02:45:12 2021
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 02:45:12 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
In-Reply-To: <cde6f488-2dcc-6a88-a423-25f1c05ef6c4@gmail.com>
References: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
 <64da131b-7d92-177b-a617-4f96293148a9@belmotek.net>
 <e1169660-fb8f-1219-a474-ccc003928db8@gmail.com>
 <14f7293e-4a82-44b0-6a5e-8cac1f6613ef@belmotek.net>
 <5dc1ef1e-f5f8-322c-01d7-e15a4432165e@gmail.com>
 <cb918ded-671a-adb9-891c-5df913967e31@belmotek.net>
 <cde6f488-2dcc-6a88-a423-25f1c05ef6c4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ca5ac79e-af69-7623-0bc9-db8e5f1bf63c@belmotek.net>

No, I use PPA. sorry.

Now i use the development version and gtk3 icons are ok.

Tanks.

Regards.

Mart?n.

El 19/4/21 a las 1:25, Beno?t Minisini escribi?:
> The GTK+3 screenshot is still bad. You didn't use the latest master?
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From isafiur at gmail.com  Mon Apr 19 02:46:11 2021
From: isafiur at gmail.com (Safiur Rahman)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 06:31:11 +0545
Subject: [Gambas-user] Error in getting value of WebComboBox when
 changed to ReadOnly
In-Reply-To: <CADKn0TLmKfQ=bu-PBPdFx0e67M07h+CAbS3WSQ=AcKNTeK7m7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADKn0TLmKfQ=bu-PBPdFx0e67M07h+CAbS3WSQ=AcKNTeK7m7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADKn0TJt7X3OG5DFinFJK4H2SO2CJOgc7Gh85=jiRNjN2SGZDg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi
The bugtracker doesn't allow log in. That's why I have to put on mailing
list.

On Sun, 18 Apr 2021, 14:00 Safiur Rahman, <isafiur at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Beno?t
>
> When I convert Non-Readonly WebComboBox to Readonly WebComboBox then
> there is an issue in getting Text of WebComboBox
>
> Eg.
> Put a WebComboBox in form and set its ReadOnly Property as False
>
> Public Sub _new()
>
>   WebComboBox1.List = ["aaa", "bbb", "ccc", "ddd"]
>   WebComboBox1.Text = ""
>   WebComboBox1.ReadOnly = True
>
> End
>
> Public Sub WebButton1_Click()
>
>   WebTextBox1.Text = WebComboBox1.Text
>
> End
>
> You get WebTextBox1.Text = -1
>
> Attached project
>
> --
> Regards
> Safiur Rahman
>
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Mon Apr 19 05:44:12 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 23:44:12 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
In-Reply-To: <ca5ac79e-af69-7623-0bc9-db8e5f1bf63c@belmotek.net>
References: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
 <64da131b-7d92-177b-a617-4f96293148a9@belmotek.net>
 <e1169660-fb8f-1219-a474-ccc003928db8@gmail.com>
 <14f7293e-4a82-44b0-6a5e-8cac1f6613ef@belmotek.net>
 <5dc1ef1e-f5f8-322c-01d7-e15a4432165e@gmail.com>
 <cb918ded-671a-adb9-891c-5df913967e31@belmotek.net>
 <cde6f488-2dcc-6a88-a423-25f1c05ef6c4@gmail.com>
 <ca5ac79e-af69-7623-0bc9-db8e5f1bf63c@belmotek.net>
Message-ID: <CALci+FTqronn4pMHAYonpsVdPYXhu5ksTa57umgstZvBYjM8Hw@mail.gmail.com>

El dom, 18 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 20:45, Martin (mbelmonte at belmotek.net)
escribi?:

> No, I use PPA. sorry.
>
yes i reported the same when i try to test the odbc new changes, those
packages are not well


> Now i use the development version and gtk3 icons are ok.
>
confirmed


>
> Tanks.
>
> Regards.
>
> Mart?n.
>
> El 19/4/21 a las 1:25, Beno?t Minisini escribi?:
> > The GTK+3 screenshot is still bad. You didn't use the latest master?
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 19 12:57:58 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 12:57:58 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Error in getting value of WebComboBox when
 changed to ReadOnly
In-Reply-To: <CADKn0TJt7X3OG5DFinFJK4H2SO2CJOgc7Gh85=jiRNjN2SGZDg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADKn0TLmKfQ=bu-PBPdFx0e67M07h+CAbS3WSQ=AcKNTeK7m7A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADKn0TJt7X3OG5DFinFJK4H2SO2CJOgc7Gh85=jiRNjN2SGZDg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d5d827fd-caab-67a9-1185-58d6f47e1038@gmail.com>

Le 19/04/2021 ? 02:46, Safiur Rahman a ?crit?:
> Hi
> The bugtracker doesn't allow log in. That's why I have to put on mailing 
> list.
> 

Normally, it's fixed now.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From rwe-sse at osnanet.de  Mon Apr 19 17:33:49 2021
From: rwe-sse at osnanet.de (Rolf-Werner Eilert)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 17:33:49 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Update for Gambas safe now?
Message-ID: <c0b587f7-4102-15c8-bd35-56cc20e88874@osnanet.de>

On my Ubuntu 18 and 20 systems, an update for Gambas is offered. I 
followed the discussion on the new Gambas version here. Can I install 
it? Is it safe now? I installed it from gambas-team ppa.

The Ubuntu 18 is with Mate, the other one is a Kubuntu 20. Both are 
production systems, but the 18 is more important. Breaking Gambas 
functionality would mean breaking several essential applications.

Regards
Rolf

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 19 17:53:39 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 17:53:39 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Update for Gambas safe now?
In-Reply-To: <c0b587f7-4102-15c8-bd35-56cc20e88874@osnanet.de>
References: <c0b587f7-4102-15c8-bd35-56cc20e88874@osnanet.de>
Message-ID: <b90b5b63-288c-3643-ea26-d799ca3d42ce@gmail.com>

Le 19/04/2021 ? 17:33, Rolf-Werner Eilert a ?crit?:
> On my Ubuntu 18 and 20 systems, an update for Gambas is offered. I 
> followed the discussion on the new Gambas version here. Can I install 
> it? Is it safe now? I installed it from gambas-team ppa.
> 
> The Ubuntu 18 is with Mate, the other one is a Kubuntu 20. Both are 
> production systems, but the 18 is more important. Breaking Gambas 
> functionality would mean breaking several essential applications.
> 
> Regards
> Rolf
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

The next one should be safe (it's mainly for running the IDE with 
GTK+3). I will create it tomorrow if everything is ok.

Anyway, generally, you should be careful when upgrading a production 
system with any new version of any language, library or software!

I try to never do that in my job. :-) Upgrading a dependency is like a 
new version, so it should be followed by a pre-production server and 
some tests.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Mon Apr 19 18:09:12 2021
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 18:09:12 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Text paragraph format
Message-ID: <69b507a6-fcc7-c72b-e3ef-092be4ecd86f@belmotek.net>

Hello everybody.
It turns out that the text that comes out of a PDF is not formatted 
correctly, but some things can be done to improve it.
If for example a string ends in ".\n" (dot+new-line) we are almost 
certainly at the end of a paragraph.
But then there are situations where it is a title and the line of text 
does not end with "." (dot) but luckily it happens that then the next 
line begins with a capital letter.

Well now the question:

What is the regular expression, or another way to replace \n# with \n[:: 
jump ::]#? where # is any uppercase letter.

Replace "\n#" ?? >? "\n[:: jump ::]#"

Note: I use this gambas code {xpdf[i].GetText(0, 0, xpdf[i].W, 
xpdf[i].H)} to extract the page text from a PDF my intention is produce 
a very basic HTML document. If some one has any idea related please comment.

Regards.

Martin.


From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Mon Apr 19 22:22:31 2021
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 13:22:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Gambas-user] arm ubuntu gambas3-devel package 3.16 not available
 in ppa stable repository
Message-ID: <634070859.23148.1618863751768.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>

It seems like the gambas3-devel package is not available for arm version of ubuntu in the gambas team ppa stable repository. 

making gambas3 uninstallable... 

maybe I am doing something wrong, but this is the error I get 


An apt search only shows gambas3-dev not gambas3-devel 

"Failure is the key to success; 
each mistake teaches us something" .. Morihei Ueshiba 
Brian G 
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 20 02:18:07 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 02:18:07 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] arm ubuntu gambas3-devel package 3.16 not
 available in ppa stable repository
In-Reply-To: <634070859.23148.1618863751768.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
References: <634070859.23148.1618863751768.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
Message-ID: <658f9895-c68e-56d6-3cbd-dce3bee4cbaa@gmail.com>

Le 19/04/2021 ? 22:22, Brian G a ?crit?:
> It seems like the gambas3-devel package is not available for arm version 
> of ubuntu in the gambas team ppa stable repository.
> 
> making gambas3 uninstallable...
> 
> maybe I am doing something wrong, but this is the error I get
> 
> 
> An apt search only shows gambas3-dev not gambas3-devel
> 
> "Failure is the key to success;
>  ?each mistake teaches us something" ?.. Morihei Ueshiba
> Brian G
> 
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> 

I guess you tried the packages for Ubuntu 20.10 or 21.04. Some arm 
packages are not yet available according to Launchpad, no idea why.

I will trigger rebuilds of everything soon, so try again later.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From herberthguzman at gmail.com  Tue Apr 20 19:19:45 2021
From: herberthguzman at gmail.com (Herberth Guzman)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 11:19:45 -0600
Subject: [Gambas-user] X11: loading has already failed
Message-ID: <CAJPJa8gxRaQzWgghOONmFFdiHLPsogtn=JH1qM3XG1dJXxSnxg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

Benoit congratulations On Gambas 3.16, you are surprised With all the
changes.

Benoit I have a problem With X11, I think you made changes but Now it gives
Me this error.

X11: loading has already failed

the code:
X11.SetWindowProperty(Me.Id, X11.InternAtom("_NET_WM_STRUT"),
X11.InternAtom("CARDINAL"), [0, 0, 0, iSize])

Help please.

Thanks
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 20 21:19:11 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 21:19:11 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] X11: loading has already failed
In-Reply-To: <CAJPJa8gxRaQzWgghOONmFFdiHLPsogtn=JH1qM3XG1dJXxSnxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJPJa8gxRaQzWgghOONmFFdiHLPsogtn=JH1qM3XG1dJXxSnxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d318d634-dd54-316d-0aca-a7477b541249@gmail.com>

Le 20/04/2021 ? 19:19, Herberth Guzman a ?crit?:
> Hi
> 
> Benoit congratulations On Gambas 3.16, you are surprised With all the 
> changes.
> 
> Benoit I have a problem With X11, I think you made changes but Now it 
> gives Me this error.
> 
> X11: loading has already failed
> 
> the code:
> X11.SetWindowProperty(Me.Id, X11.InternAtom("_NET_WM_STRUT"), 
> X11.InternAtom("CARDINAL"), [0, 0, 0, iSize])
> 
> Help please.
> 
> Thanks
> 

Can't help you with a full project that reproduces the bug (I should 
count the number of times I say that).

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 20 21:22:01 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 21:22:01 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Release of Gambas 3.16.0
Message-ID: <d4c7be1e-4628-46e9-48b8-f75379678fae@gmail.com>

Hi,

The release is now official. You will find binary packages for Ubuntu on 
the stable ppa - the daily ppa has the same contents except the version 
number which will be upgraded as soon as possible.

Please report bugs on the bugtracker, and if you can't login or 
register, tell me. Login should normally be fixed now.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From herberthguzman at gmail.com  Tue Apr 20 22:23:13 2021
From: herberthguzman at gmail.com (Herberth Guzman)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 14:23:13 -0600
Subject: [Gambas-user] X11: loading has already failed
In-Reply-To: <d318d634-dd54-316d-0aca-a7477b541249@gmail.com>
References: <CAJPJa8gxRaQzWgghOONmFFdiHLPsogtn=JH1qM3XG1dJXxSnxg@mail.gmail.com>
 <d318d634-dd54-316d-0aca-a7477b541249@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJPJa8hm3QDwQT2RSEvRN5dYMR+k104mO8GqBrL7Q5H33mCShQ@mail.gmail.com>

If you run the example you have in gb.desktop you will see the error.



El martes, 20 de abril de 2021, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> escribi?:

> Le 20/04/2021 ? 19:19, Herberth Guzman a ?crit :
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Benoit congratulations On Gambas 3.16, you are surprised With all the
>> changes.
>>
>> Benoit I have a problem With X11, I think you made changes but Now it
>> gives Me this error.
>>
>> X11: loading has already failed
>>
>> the code:
>> X11.SetWindowProperty(Me.Id, X11.InternAtom("_NET_WM_STRUT"),
>> X11.InternAtom("CARDINAL"), [0, 0, 0, iSize])
>>
>> Help please.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
> Can't help you with a full project that reproduces the bug (I should count
> the number of times I say that).
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Tue Apr 20 22:36:44 2021
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 23:36:44 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] X11: loading has already failed
In-Reply-To: <CAJPJa8hm3QDwQT2RSEvRN5dYMR+k104mO8GqBrL7Q5H33mCShQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJPJa8gxRaQzWgghOONmFFdiHLPsogtn=JH1qM3XG1dJXxSnxg@mail.gmail.com>
 <d318d634-dd54-316d-0aca-a7477b541249@gmail.com>
 <CAJPJa8hm3QDwQT2RSEvRN5dYMR+k104mO8GqBrL7Q5H33mCShQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFJMe7S6ggXOGaza+1mZ1YwcwS4GL-aKwGErNiyLdi6x6HacEw@mail.gmail.com>

??
gb.desktop is a component.


Jussi


On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:24 PM Herberth Guzman <herberthguzman at gmail.com>
wrote:

> If you run the example you have in gb.desktop you will see the error.
>
>
>
> El martes, 20 de abril de 2021, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com>
> escribi?:
>
>> Le 20/04/2021 ? 19:19, Herberth Guzman a ?crit :
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Benoit congratulations On Gambas 3.16, you are surprised With all the
>>> changes.
>>>
>>> Benoit I have a problem With X11, I think you made changes but Now it
>>> gives Me this error.
>>>
>>> X11: loading has already failed
>>>
>>> the code:
>>> X11.SetWindowProperty(Me.Id, X11.InternAtom("_NET_WM_STRUT"),
>>> X11.InternAtom("CARDINAL"), [0, 0, 0, iSize])
>>>
>>> Help please.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>> Can't help you with a full project that reproduces the bug (I should
>> count the number of times I say that).
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> --
>> Beno?t Minisini
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From herberthguzman at gmail.com  Tue Apr 20 22:49:06 2021
From: herberthguzman at gmail.com (Herberth Guzman)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 14:49:06 -0600
Subject: [Gambas-user] X11: loading has already failed
In-Reply-To: <CAFJMe7S6ggXOGaza+1mZ1YwcwS4GL-aKwGErNiyLdi6x6HacEw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <d318d634-dd54-316d-0aca-a7477b541249@gmail.com>
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gb.desktop is a component and has a sample form.

That example of use now gives an error.

Button 1https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/-/blob/master/comp/src/gb.desktop/.src/Tests/Form1.class


El martes, 20 de abril de 2021, Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>
escribi?:

> ??
> gb.desktop is a component.
>
>
> Jussi
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:24 PM Herberth Guzman <herberthguzman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> If you run the example you have in gb.desktop you will see the error.
>>
>>
>>
>> El martes, 20 de abril de 2021, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com>
>> escribi?:
>>
>>> Le 20/04/2021 ? 19:19, Herberth Guzman a ?crit :
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> Benoit congratulations On Gambas 3.16, you are surprised With all the
>>>> changes.
>>>>
>>>> Benoit I have a problem With X11, I think you made changes but Now it
>>>> gives Me this error.
>>>>
>>>> X11: loading has already failed
>>>>
>>>> the code:
>>>> X11.SetWindowProperty(Me.Id, X11.InternAtom("_NET_WM_STRUT"),
>>>> X11.InternAtom("CARDINAL"), [0, 0, 0, iSize])
>>>>
>>>> Help please.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Can't help you with a full project that reproduces the bug (I should
>>> count the number of times I say that).
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Beno?t Minisini
>>>
>>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>>
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>
>
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 20 23:20:32 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 22:20:32 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Release of Gambas 3.16.0
In-Reply-To: <d4c7be1e-4628-46e9-48b8-f75379678fae@gmail.com>
References: <d4c7be1e-4628-46e9-48b8-f75379678fae@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCDVrYNPzxbWea7XVKFiuMxJMjJgSzg6YMrNCDkdJN6n1A@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 20 Apr 2021, 20:23 Beno?t Minisini, <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The release is now official. You will find binary packages for Ubuntu on
> the stable ppa - the daily ppa has the same contents except the version
> number which will be upgraded as soon as possible.
>
> Please report bugs on the bugtracker, and if you can't login or
> register, tell me. Login should normally be fixed now.
>
> Regards,
>

Great stuff Ben ?
Great stuff team ?

Cant wait to get home from work and install it.



A cheeky note on your english my friend (hope you dont mind the
observation/correction)
 I have seen you use the word "normally" in similar context to the above
last sentence but it does not really make sense in English as we do not use
it that way.  I think the word you want is "generally".
"Normally" to us  means more like "usually" (most of the previous times)
where as "generally" means more  "for the most part" (in general cases)
It's harder to explain than I thought lol but trust me the word normally
just does not really fit that sentence.

Apart from that your English is probably better than mine ? (I actually
had to look up the word "ambiguous" after you used it a while ago) lol
Much respect
BruceS

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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Tue Apr 20 23:31:27 2021
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 00:31:27 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] X11: loading has already failed
In-Reply-To: <CAJPJa8hvSLzq9NOJ8GV=1Nug8qRKZ=4GRz7jjVzp9sePQGHeUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJPJa8gxRaQzWgghOONmFFdiHLPsogtn=JH1qM3XG1dJXxSnxg@mail.gmail.com>
 <d318d634-dd54-316d-0aca-a7477b541249@gmail.com>
 <CAJPJa8hm3QDwQT2RSEvRN5dYMR+k104mO8GqBrL7Q5H33mCShQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFJMe7S6ggXOGaza+1mZ1YwcwS4GL-aKwGErNiyLdi6x6HacEw@mail.gmail.com>
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OK, now you are specific enough. They are not samples or examples, but some
test forms. And they are not runnable as such.
Please always send runnable project when reporting a problem (and
additionally instructions to reproduce the problem, if applicable).

1. It's the only way to see *precisely* what you are doing.
2. It saves Benoit's time.


Jussi

On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:50 PM Herberth Guzman <herberthguzman at gmail.com>
wrote:

> gb.desktop is a component and has a sample form.
>
> That example of use now gives an error.
>
> Button 1https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/-/blob/master/comp/src/gb.desktop/.src/Tests/Form1.class
>
>
> El martes, 20 de abril de 2021, Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>
> escribi?:
>
>> ??
>> gb.desktop is a component.
>>
>>
>> Jussi
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:24 PM Herberth Guzman <
>> herberthguzman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If you run the example you have in gb.desktop you will see the error.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> El martes, 20 de abril de 2021, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com>
>>> escribi?:
>>>
>>>> Le 20/04/2021 ? 19:19, Herberth Guzman a ?crit :
>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> Benoit congratulations On Gambas 3.16, you are surprised With all the
>>>>> changes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Benoit I have a problem With X11, I think you made changes but Now it
>>>>> gives Me this error.
>>>>>
>>>>> X11: loading has already failed
>>>>>
>>>>> the code:
>>>>> X11.SetWindowProperty(Me.Id, X11.InternAtom("_NET_WM_STRUT"),
>>>>> X11.InternAtom("CARDINAL"), [0, 0, 0, iSize])
>>>>>
>>>>> Help please.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Can't help you with a full project that reproduces the bug (I should
>>>> count the number of times I say that).
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Beno?t Minisini
>>>>
>>>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>>>
>>>
>>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>>
>>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 20 23:47:01 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 23:47:01 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Release of Gambas 3.16.0
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCDVrYNPzxbWea7XVKFiuMxJMjJgSzg6YMrNCDkdJN6n1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d4c7be1e-4628-46e9-48b8-f75379678fae@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <763d4641-e279-0d3b-eaa6-1e41f1ec9d2f@gmail.com>

Le 20/04/2021 ? 23:20, Bruce Steers a ?crit?:
> 
> A cheeky note on your english my friend (hope you dont mind the 
> observation/correction)
>  ?I have seen you use the word "normally" in similar context to the 
> above last sentence but it does not really make sense in English as we 
> do not use it that way.? I think the word you want is "generally".
> "Normally" to us? means more like "usually" (most of the previous 
> times)? where as "generally" means more? "for the most part" (in general 
> cases)
> It's harder to explain than I thought lol but trust me the word normally 
> just does not really fit that sentence.

I'm afraid I don't make the difference in french between "most of the 
time", and "for the most part"...

I used "normally" because it looks like "normalement" in French.

https://www.linguee.fr/francais-anglais/traduction/normalement.html

That page tells me that I can translate it as "normally", "generally", 
"naturally" and seven other words. But not "usually".

Here I wanted to mean "login has been fixed unless the contrary".

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From isafiur at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 00:42:47 2021
From: isafiur at gmail.com (Safiur Rahman)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 04:27:47 +0545
Subject: [Gambas-user] Bugs in gambas 3.16
Message-ID: <CADKn0TKJYofU0CNgcCkJiT-MoEySrnoZ_UGpttzwkKk=eNhfQw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

The Desktop.SendKeys is not working now. The bug tracker neither
allows login of my old user id nor allows log in of newly created user
id.
We have been using Desktop.SendKeys for more than six years to allow
user use Return/Enter key instead of Tab key to go to next control in
several applications. Now that is not working. Is there any workaround
to solve "Cannot load clas X11" error in temporary basis for the time
this bug gets fixed?

Attached a project to reproduce this problem.

-- 
Regards
Safiur Rahman
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From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Wed Apr 21 00:46:46 2021
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 00:46:46 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Release of Gambas 3.16.0
In-Reply-To: <d4c7be1e-4628-46e9-48b8-f75379678fae@gmail.com>
References: <d4c7be1e-4628-46e9-48b8-f75379678fae@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4de90d61-a92a-047b-ed43-df6d9c682f5e@belmotek.net>

Cool.
How does the Arch or Manjaro package maintainer find out there is a new 
version? Does anyone have contact with him?

Tanks.

Mart?n.

El 20/4/21 a las 21:22, Beno?t Minisini escribi?:
> Hi,
>
> The release is now official. You will find binary packages for Ubuntu 
> on the stable ppa - the daily ppa has the same contents except the 
> version number which will be upgraded as soon as possible.
>
> Please report bugs on the bugtracker, and if you can't login or 
> register, tell me. Login should normally be fixed now.
>
> Regards,
>

From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Wed Apr 21 00:21:21 2021
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 15:21:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Sripter Wiki Info Updates
Message-ID: <1100407644.23545.1618957281569.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>

Hello All, 

I have started to update the wiki regarding Scripter - gbs3. 

I would appreciate and feed back/criticisms and direction from the group on the contents. 
I am pretty much a noob doing this. So....... fire away..... 

It can be found here. 

[ http://gambaswiki.org/edit/doc/scripting | Scripter Page ] 

Thank in advance! 


"Failure is the key to success; 
each mistake teaches us something" .. Morihei Ueshiba 
Brian G 

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From isafiur at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 01:00:07 2021
From: isafiur at gmail.com (Safiur Rahman)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 04:45:07 +0545
Subject: [Gambas-user] Bugs in gambas 3.16
In-Reply-To: <CADKn0TKJYofU0CNgcCkJiT-MoEySrnoZ_UGpttzwkKk=eNhfQw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADKn0TKJYofU0CNgcCkJiT-MoEySrnoZ_UGpttzwkKk=eNhfQw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADKn0TKwqebwEFKJ6KjpbP--=_-K_PcqKYpY=5h+C_iaBS5bEg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

Manually loading X11 class solved my problem of Desktop.SendKeys
error. Please check why bug tracker log in is not working?

On 4/21/21, Safiur Rahman <isafiur at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> The Desktop.SendKeys is not working now. The bug tracker neither
> allows login of my old user id nor allows log in of newly created user
> id.
> We have been using Desktop.SendKeys for more than six years to allow
> user use Return/Enter key instead of Tab key to go to next control in
> several applications. Now that is not working. Is there any workaround
> to solve "Cannot load clas X11" error in temporary basis for the time
> this bug gets fixed?
>
> Attached a project to reproduce this problem.
>
> --
> Regards
> Safiur Rahman
>


-- 
Regards
Safiur Rahman

From herberthguzman at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 01:40:00 2021
From: herberthguzman at gmail.com (Herberth Guzman)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 17:40:00 -0600
Subject: [Gambas-user] Bugs in gambas 3.16
In-Reply-To: <CADKn0TKwqebwEFKJ6KjpbP--=_-K_PcqKYpY=5h+C_iaBS5bEg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADKn0TKJYofU0CNgcCkJiT-MoEySrnoZ_UGpttzwkKk=eNhfQw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADKn0TKwqebwEFKJ6KjpbP--=_-K_PcqKYpY=5h+C_iaBS5bEg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJPJa8go0mVa9GrAnJmZqmF8mZX+4ZwgfQwWCZdWBX3Lv1osQw@mail.gmail.com>

Temporalmente har? lo mismo con mi proyecto. Mi proyecto dej? de
funcionar con x11


El martes, 20 de abril de 2021, Safiur Rahman <isafiur at gmail.com> escribi?:

> hola
>
> Cargar manualmente la clase X11 resolvi? mi problema de Desktop.SendKeys
> error. Por favor, compruebe por qu? el inicio de sesi?n del rastreador de
> errores no funciona?
>
> El 4/21/21, Safiur Rahman <isafiur at gmail.com> escribi?:
> Hola >
> >
> > Desktop.SendKeys no funciona ahora. El rastreador de errores ni
> > permite el inicio de sesi?n de mi antiguo id de usuario ni permite
> iniciar sesi?n de un usuario reci?n creado
> > identificaci?n.
> > Hemos estado usando Desktop.SendKeys durante m?s de seis a?os para
> permitir
> > usuario utilice la tecla Retorno/Intro en lugar de la tecla Tab para ir
> al siguiente control en
> > varias aplicaciones. Eso no funciona. ?Hay alguna soluci?n alternativa
> > resolver el error "No se puede cargar clas X11" de forma temporal por el
> tiempo
> > se soluciona este error?
> >
> > Adjunta un proyecto para reproducir este problema.
> >
> > --
> > Aspectos
> > Safiur Rahman
> >
>
>
> --
> saludos
> Safiur Rahman
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From herberthguzman at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 01:40:43 2021
From: herberthguzman at gmail.com (Herberth Guzman)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 17:40:43 -0600
Subject: [Gambas-user] Bugs in gambas 3.16
In-Reply-To: <CADKn0TKwqebwEFKJ6KjpbP--=_-K_PcqKYpY=5h+C_iaBS5bEg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADKn0TKJYofU0CNgcCkJiT-MoEySrnoZ_UGpttzwkKk=eNhfQw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADKn0TKwqebwEFKJ6KjpbP--=_-K_PcqKYpY=5h+C_iaBS5bEg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJPJa8ivHswxykL0jhg4nMnXDMYeJJcCtoAcZFWeW5q3OhM6aQ@mail.gmail.com>

Temporarily I will do the same with my project. My project stopped working
with x11

El martes, 20 de abril de 2021, Safiur Rahman <isafiur at gmail.com> escribi?:

> Hi
>
> Manually loading X11 class solved my problem of Desktop.SendKeys
> error. Please check why bug tracker log in is not working?
>
> On 4/21/21, Safiur Rahman <isafiur at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > The Desktop.SendKeys is not working now. The bug tracker neither
> > allows login of my old user id nor allows log in of newly created user
> > id.
> > We have been using Desktop.SendKeys for more than six years to allow
> > user use Return/Enter key instead of Tab key to go to next control in
> > several applications. Now that is not working. Is there any workaround
> > to solve "Cannot load clas X11" error in temporary basis for the time
> > this bug gets fixed?
> >
> > Attached a project to reproduce this problem.
> >
> > --
> > Regards
> > Safiur Rahman
> >
>
>
> --
> Regards
> Safiur Rahman
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From herberthguzman at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 01:43:14 2021
From: herberthguzman at gmail.com (Herberth Guzman)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 17:43:14 -0600
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
In-Reply-To: <0ff0a118-f56d-7434-29df-ebcfa4e4a028@web.de>
References: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
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Hi I do not share your opinion, I do not think that benoit looks at gambas
as "his" little son, and for example look at gambas 3.16.

For me gambas is a professional project, Benoit dedicates time and effort
to improve gb3 every day.

But it is thanks to the community that has been improved, belittling other
components is not being a community.

It is my little contribution


El s?bado, 17 de abril de 2021, Michael N. Altrogge <mnaltrogge at web.de>
escribi?:

> picco,
>
> you should learn when it's time to keep the mouth (or in this case the
> fingers) closed and to open the brain and think about all of it ...
> moreover ... you reached a point where you're arguments did not count any
> more in case of your absolutely unacceptable, impertinent and insulting
> behavior!
>
> ... just my five cents ...
>
> PJ
>
> p.s.: let me give two cents more:
>
> [... i reported very good my issues in the bug tracker ...]
>
> no you don't ... most of your reports are not understandable and far away
> from any kind of English ...
>
> [... document the non so used modules ...]
>
> MAYBE (???) they are not so used because they are not so needed ...
>
>
> and at least ... gambas is benoits child and he can do whatever he wants
> with it!
>
>
> Am 17.04.21 um 23:38 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz:
>
>
> El s?b, 17 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 02:34, Christof Thalhofer (
> chrisml at deganius.de) escribi?:
>
>> Am 17.04.21 um 03:03 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz:
>>
>> > itr seem nobody understand
>> > the Semantic versioning here.. Y.X.Z < than X.Y.Z+YYYYMMMDDD
>> >
>> > learn somemnthing
>>
>> You have to learn. Picco you are too aggressive. Please stop that.
>>
>
> I must emphasize that when I raised that point it is because wll of you
> have missed the obvious,  inclusivelly you Benoit you didn't even watch the
> video when you were already answering the email with questions that were
> answered in it
>
> i reported very good my issues in the bug tracker, i am the only that
> tries to document the non so used modules (db.odbc, gb.web, gb.http, etc
> etc) or worse, things LIKE:
>
> 1. justification for not knowing a bit of semantics VERSIONING and saying
> such an outrageous thing as X.Y.Z is greater than X.Y.Z+DATE ?
> 2. justification for 4 years of an ODBC module that was useless and that
> was only realized because two others said the obvious?
> 3. the justification for overlooking the truth? WHEN we have HTML
> components in gambas and the own development and creator doe snot used in
> thier hosting but other already triying it?
> 4. how we can trus in that when all of this happened, NO i will be banned
> for sure due i said true in hard way right?
>
>
>
>>
>> Alles Gute
>>
>> Christof Thalhofer
>>
>> --
>> Dies ist keine Signatur
>>
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 02:19:19 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 02:19:19 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Sripter Wiki Info Updates
In-Reply-To: <1100407644.23545.1618957281569.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
References: <1100407644.23545.1618957281569.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
Message-ID: <eed7f0d8-79dc-3c15-ffea-2dd0dae1b449@gmail.com>

Le 21/04/2021 ? 00:21, Brian G a ?crit?:
> Hello All,
> 
> I have started to update the wiki regarding Scripter - gbs3.
> 
> I would appreciate and feed back/criticisms and direction from the group 
> on the contents.
> I am pretty much a noob doing this. So....... fire away.....
> 
> It can be found here.
> 
> Scripter Page <http://gambaswiki.org/edit/doc/scripting>
> 
> Thank in advance!
> 
> 
> "Failure is the key to success;
>  ?each mistake teaches us something" ?.. Morihei Ueshiba
> Brian G
> 

When you document something that changed since a specific version, you 
should use "@{since X.YY}" where X.YY is the Gambas version of the change.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 02:22:02 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 02:22:02 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Bugs in gambas 3.16
In-Reply-To: <CADKn0TKJYofU0CNgcCkJiT-MoEySrnoZ_UGpttzwkKk=eNhfQw@mail.gmail.com>
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Le 21/04/2021 ? 00:42, Safiur Rahman a ?crit?:
> Hi
> 
> The Desktop.SendKeys is not working now. The bug tracker neither
> allows login of my old user id nor allows log in of newly created user
> id.
> We have been using Desktop.SendKeys for more than six years to allow
> user use Return/Enter key instead of Tab key to go to next control in
> several applications. Now that is not working. Is there any workaround
> to solve "Cannot load clas X11" error in temporary basis for the time
> this bug gets fixed?
> 
> Attached a project to reproduce this problem.
> 

Beware that even if I succeed in fixing that bug, Desktop.SendKeys() 
will never work with Wayland (it's forbidden).

Moreover, if you use Desktop.SendKeys() just to change the focused 
control, you should really not use it, and do that using the "Next" and 
"Previous" properties.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 02:24:24 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 20:24:24 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Bugs in gambas 3.16
In-Reply-To: <CAJPJa8ivHswxykL0jhg4nMnXDMYeJJcCtoAcZFWeW5q3OhM6aQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADKn0TKJYofU0CNgcCkJiT-MoEySrnoZ_UGpttzwkKk=eNhfQw@mail.gmail.com>
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now i have odbc working but as i do in my test and a i ALREADY
notified in the mail press releases if you guys used the ppa packages
you will have all of those problems

building from scratch or using the debian packages as templates solved
in my case the problems, i revise and check the packaging guidelines
and it seems mostly are not in good shape

IS THERE ALREADY A OPEN ISSUE for that:
http://gambaswiki.org/bugtracker/edit?object=BUG.2161

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

El mar, 20 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 19:42, Herberth Guzman
(herberthguzman at gmail.com) escribi?:
>
> Temporarily I will do the same with my project. My project stopped working with x11
>
> El martes, 20 de abril de 2021, Safiur Rahman <isafiur at gmail.com> escribi?:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> Manually loading X11 class solved my problem of Desktop.SendKeys
>> error. Please check why bug tracker log in is not working?
>>
>> On 4/21/21, Safiur Rahman <isafiur at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi
>> >
>> > The Desktop.SendKeys is not working now. The bug tracker neither
>> > allows login of my old user id nor allows log in of newly created user
>> > id.
>> > We have been using Desktop.SendKeys for more than six years to allow
>> > user use Return/Enter key instead of Tab key to go to next control in
>> > several applications. Now that is not working. Is there any workaround
>> > to solve "Cannot load clas X11" error in temporary basis for the time
>> > this bug gets fixed?
>> >
>> > Attached a project to reproduce this problem.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Regards
>> > Safiur Rahman
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards
>> Safiur Rahman
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 02:30:47 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 20:30:47 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Sripter Wiki Info Updates
In-Reply-To: <1100407644.23545.1618957281569.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
References: <1100407644.23545.1618957281569.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
Message-ID: <CALci+FRKdj+sMwYa+712P3w7o8pddvsSrstfQ6pqm9Wf0c9_Uw@mail.gmail.com>

El mar, 20 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 18:50, Brian G
(brian at westwoodsvcs.com) escribi?:
>
> I have started to update the wiki regarding Scripter - gbs3.
noted since some hours.. good job, some points:

1. you have a several history for last day, i recommended use the
preview event write a new version per change!
2. you covered all but does not said if you need to have all of the
complete environment or only some modules

>
> I would appreciate and feed back/criticisms and direction from the group on the contents.
we can update making some links to internal class and related.. of course..

> I am pretty much a noob doing this. So....... fire away.....
please for a noob was a great starting! well done!

i have some questions.. can a script if work with odbc/db/etc need to
specific the loading of the module?

>
> It can be found here.
>
> Scripter Page
>
> Thank in advance!
>
>
> "Failure is the key to success;
>  each mistake teaches us something"  .. Morihei Ueshiba
> Brian G
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 02:38:40 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 02:38:40 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
In-Reply-To: <CAJPJa8gog0Ls0a7POrbnawnfWeOgfmuoBJWU6nS2D4PYx+Skdw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f1331c32-5a39-96d9-fb67-ed28676765ef@gmail.com>
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Le 21/04/2021 ? 01:43, Herberth Guzman a ?crit?:
> Hi I do not share your opinion, I do not think that benoit looks at 
> gambas as "his" little son, and for example look at gambas 3.16.
> 
> For me gambas is a professional project, Benoit dedicates time and 
> effort to improve gb3 every day.
> 
> But it is thanks to the community that has been improved, belittling 
> other components is not being a community.
> 
> It is my little contribution
> 

As I earn my life using it, for important professional projects, I'm 
eating my own food. I think this is a guarantee that Gambas is not a 
toy, and that I won't act randomly.

Of course it does not mean I can't make mistake.

Only God knows the future.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 02:38:32 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 02:38:32 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Sripter Wiki Info Updates
In-Reply-To: <eed7f0d8-79dc-3c15-ffea-2dd0dae1b449@gmail.com>
References: <1100407644.23545.1618957281569.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
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Message-ID: <e8d4e470-62d9-6904-0ea5-0bd471b196f9@gmail.com>

Le 21/04/2021 ? 02:19, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
> Le 21/04/2021 ? 00:21, Brian G a ?crit?:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I have started to update the wiki regarding Scripter - gbs3.
>>
>> I would appreciate and feed back/criticisms and direction from the 
>> group on the contents.
>> I am pretty much a noob doing this. So....... fire away.....
>>
>> It can be found here.
>>
>> Scripter Page <http://gambaswiki.org/edit/doc/scripting>
>>
>> Thank in advance!
>>
>>
>> "Failure is the key to success;
>> ??each mistake teaches us something" ?.. Morihei Ueshiba
>> Brian G
>>
> 
> When you document something that changed since a specific version, you 
> should use "@{since X.YY}" where X.YY is the Gambas version of the change.
> 
> Regards,
> 

Another point: there is a 24 hour delay between a change in the wiki and 
its availability to the world, because this is the delay I tell Cloudflare.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 02:41:50 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 02:41:50 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Bugs in gambas 3.16
In-Reply-To: <CALci+FRQgAfZx8686K7r1VwfDPH6OAzNxh4hEtvnTGq4ViebSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADKn0TKJYofU0CNgcCkJiT-MoEySrnoZ_UGpttzwkKk=eNhfQw@mail.gmail.com>
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Le 21/04/2021 ? 02:24, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit?:
> now i have odbc working but as i do in my test and a i ALREADY
> notified in the mail press releases if you guys used the ppa packages
> you will have all of those problems

I'm not sure to understand that sentence correctly. I can just tell that 
now you have the same code in the ppa packages that in the source code 
from git.

> 
> building from scratch or using the debian packages as templates solved
> in my case the problems, i revise and check the packaging guidelines
> and it seems mostly are not in good shape

I'm currently updating the "how to package" page for 3.16.

> 
> IS THERE ALREADY A OPEN ISSUE for that:

"There is", otherwise it's a question.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Wed Apr 21 03:12:47 2021
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 18:12:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Sripter Wiki Info Updates
In-Reply-To: <CALci+FRKdj+sMwYa+712P3w7o8pddvsSrstfQ6pqm9Wf0c9_Uw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1100407644.23545.1618957281569.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
 <CALci+FRKdj+sMwYa+712P3w7o8pddvsSrstfQ6pqm9Wf0c9_Uw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <942437921.23672.1618967567290.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>

> El mar, 20 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 18:50, Brian G
> (brian at westwoodsvcs.com) escribi?:
>>
>> I have started to update the wiki regarding Scripter - gbs3.
> noted since some hours.. good job, some points:
> 
> 1. you have a several history for last day, i recommended use the
> preview event write a new version per change!
> 2. you covered all but does not said if you need to have all of the
> complete environment or only some modules

Good Point I will Add the information. Only Scripter needs be installed, it will cause gambas3-devel and gambas3-gb-pcre to be installed. It does not actually require that anything else be installed.

> 
>>
>> I would appreciate and feed back/criticisms and direction from the group on the
>> contents.
> we can update making some links to internal class and related.. of course..
> 
>> I am pretty much a noob doing this. So....... fire away.....
> please for a noob was a great starting! well done!
> 

> i have some questions.. can a script if work with odbc/db/etc need to
> specific the loading of the module?

inside the script you would add
   use gb.odbc

This will cause the odbc component to be loaded.

If you have installed only scripter then yes you will have to install the odbc component
   on mint that would be:
      sudo apt install gambas3.gb.odbc

> 
>>
>> It can be found here.
>>
>> Scripter Page
>>
>> Thank in advance!
>>
>>
>> "Failure is the key to success;
>>  each mistake teaches us something"  .. Morihei Ueshiba
>> Brian G
>>
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

From chrisml at deganius.de  Wed Apr 21 08:59:20 2021
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 08:59:20 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Release of Gambas 3.16.0
In-Reply-To: <d4c7be1e-4628-46e9-48b8-f75379678fae@gmail.com>
References: <d4c7be1e-4628-46e9-48b8-f75379678fae@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a4483bd3-db2c-98a1-1c3e-ad42c7357611@deganius.de>

Am 20.04.21 um 21:22 schrieb Beno?t Minisini:

> The release is now official. You will find binary packages for Ubuntu on 
> the stable ppa - the daily ppa has the same contents except the version 
> number which will be upgraded as soon as possible.
> 
> Please report bugs on the bugtracker, and if you can't login or 
> register, tell me. Login should normally be fixed now.

Thank you Beno?t for your great work! :-)

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

-- 
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 09:51:23 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 03:51:23 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Bugs in gambas 3.16
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El mar, 20 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 20:42, Beno?t Minisini (g4mba5 at gmail.com)
escribi?:
> I'm not sure to understand that sentence correctly. I can just tell that
> now you have the same code in the ppa packages that in the source code
> from git.
... bad versioning scheme, bad dependency handling but i do not use
winbuntu so i not detailed the problems

> > building from scratch or using the debian packages as templates solved
> > in my case the problems, i revise and check the packaging guidelines
> > and it seems mostly are not in good shape
>
> I'm currently updating the "how to package" page for 3.16.

Thanks Benoit.. this task is only possible by you that knows perfectly the
gambas, sorry,

>
> >
> > IS THERE ALREADY A OPEN ISSUE for that:
>
> "There is", otherwise it's a question.

yes! ? well you pretty understand of course!


>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From rwe-sse at osnanet.de  Wed Apr 21 09:53:01 2021
From: rwe-sse at osnanet.de (Rolf-Werner Eilert)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 09:53:01 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Update for Gambas safe now?
In-Reply-To: <b90b5b63-288c-3643-ea26-d799ca3d42ce@gmail.com>
References: <c0b587f7-4102-15c8-bd35-56cc20e88874@osnanet.de>
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Am 19.04.21 um 17:53 schrieb Beno?t Minisini:
> Le 19/04/2021 ? 17:33, Rolf-Werner Eilert a ?crit?:
>> On my Ubuntu 18 and 20 systems, an update for Gambas is offered. I 
>> followed the discussion on the new Gambas version here. Can I install 
>> it? Is it safe now? I installed it from gambas-team ppa.
>>
>> The Ubuntu 18 is with Mate, the other one is a Kubuntu 20. Both are 
>> production systems, but the 18 is more important. Breaking Gambas 
>> functionality would mean breaking several essential applications.
>>
>> Regards
>> Rolf
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> 
> The next one should be safe (it's mainly for running the IDE with 
> GTK+3). I will create it tomorrow if everything is ok.
> 
> Anyway, generally, you should be careful when upgrading a production 
> system with any new version of any language, library or software!
> 
> I try to never do that in my job. :-) Upgrading a dependency is like a 
> new version, so it should be followed by a pre-production server and 
> some tests.
> 
> Regards,
> 

Thank you Benoit for your advice. On the one hand, you are of course 
right here.

On the other hand, I always have two production systems: My PC in the 
office (server with LTSP terminal server system) and my laptop for the 
home office. In every update there are new and fresh features and maybe 
bug corrections which are urgently needed. Some of the updates even 
include security fixes. In the past when upgrading Gambas, I have 
experienced only a few glitches. In general everything continued to work 
fine.

Example: The other day I learned that there is a new editor, and I do 
use the old version in two of my projects. So this will be my next task 
to switch to the new version, so I can leave the old one's component 
away which is now deprecated. But until I find the time to read the 
documentation and understand and implement it, I will have to stick with 
the old one.

When I include Gambas' own stable ppa (gambas-team ppa), apt upgrade 
will automatically offer any update from all ppas included. So I expect 
that when updates are offered, these are stable enough to not break my 
environment and that each and every part and component is included to 
continue running all of my Gambas programs, scripts etc. And I would 
expect the help/Wiki documentation to reflect any "embarrassing" changes.

Some years back, I used to compile each new version for myself, so when 
I read in the list that something was unclear or an update would mean 
including new components with totally different code, I could wait until 
all error reports had ended or until I really had the time to care for 
the coding and do the step. The change in Printer is a good example for 
this. I finally did it when I had to set up a new server anyway.

Regards
Rolf

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 10:07:46 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 04:07:46 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.16.0 (V2)
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El mar, 20 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 20:40, Beno?t Minisini (g4mba5 at gmail.com)
escribi?:

> Le 21/04/2021 ? 01:43, Herberth Guzman a ?crit :
> > Hi I do not share your opinion, I do not think that benoit looks at
> > gambas as "his" little son, and for example look at gambas 3.16.
> >
> > For me gambas is a professional project, Benoit dedicates time and
> > effort to improve gb3 every day.
> >
> > But it is thanks to the community that has been improved, belittling
> > other components is not being a community.
> >
> > It is my little contribution
> >
>
> As I earn my life using it, for important professional projects, I'm
> eating my own food. I think this is a guarantee that Gambas is not a
> toy, and that I won't act randomly.
>

an excellent answer from a mature person, we know that many collaborators
like me do not have a good level of English, especially when they do not
like this language so "obligatorily" extended


>
> Of course it does not mean I can't make mistake.
>

errr,  i guess we send some mails before release about those mistakes ?
you didn't leave me time to pack it, check it and test it

the release is done and I'm pretty happy with ODBC! thanks! lest trey to
fix the rest of the componentes details


>
> Only God knows the future.
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 10:16:50 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 04:16:50 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Sripter Wiki Info Updates
In-Reply-To: <942437921.23672.1618967567290.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
References: <1100407644.23545.1618957281569.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
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El mar, 20 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 21:23, Brian G (brian at westwoodsvcs.com)
escribi?:

> > El mar, 20 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 18:50, Brian G
>
> If you have installed only scripter then yes you will have to install the
> odbc component
>    on mint that would be:
>       sudo apt install gambas3.gb.odbc
>
> ok so that you yourself realize that in some scripts you use modules that
you must load, therefore when the noobs try to execute the examples they
will not work if they do not load these components in use, already this
info I knew it because I believe I was some years ago the first one that I
asked to replace asp's in my current job, so you must take care of that in
the script page

i m not finished reading cos quite large .. maybe must be moved to
tutorias? how to? sections?


>
> >>
> >> It can be found here.
> >>
> >> Scripter Page
> >>
> >> Thank in advance!
> >>
> >>
> >> "Failure is the key to success;
> >>  each mistake teaches us something"  .. Morihei Ueshiba
> >> Brian G
> >>
> >>
> >> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> >
> > ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From dickson.tim at googlemail.com  Wed Apr 21 10:55:32 2021
From: dickson.tim at googlemail.com (Tim Dickson)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 09:55:32 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Release of Gambas 3.16.0
In-Reply-To: <d4c7be1e-4628-46e9-48b8-f75379678fae@gmail.com>
References: <d4c7be1e-4628-46e9-48b8-f75379678fae@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2440ea02-c553-4b76-c36b-5947bc543625@googlemail.com>

Hi Beno?t, thanks for a new version. I am unable to update the slackware 
build script for it at the moment as
submissions for slackbuilds are closed, as Slackware 15.0 is due for 
release soon.
As soon as Slackware 15.0 is available and submissions are open again at 
slackbuilds.org I will get the gambas slackbuild script updated.

Regards, Tim

On 20/04/2021 20:22, Beno?t Minisini wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The release is now official. You will find binary packages for Ubuntu 
> on the stable ppa - the daily ppa has the same contents except the 
> version number which will be upgraded as soon as possible.
>
> Please report bugs on the bugtracker, and if you can't login or 
> register, tell me. Login should normally be fixed now.
>
> Regards,
>


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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 13:18:32 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 07:18:32 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Update for Gambas safe now?
In-Reply-To: <b4eaa072-a7e2-8cbe-30d3-42ba99caaab7@osnanet.de>
References: <c0b587f7-4102-15c8-bd35-56cc20e88874@osnanet.de>
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El mi?, 21 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 03:54, Rolf-Werner Eilert (
rwe-sse at osnanet.de) escribi?:

> Am 19.04.21 um 17:53 schrieb Beno?t Minisini:
> > Le 19/04/2021 ? 17:33, Rolf-Werner Eilert a ?crit :
> >> production systems, but the 18 is more important. Breaking Gambas
> >> functionality would mean breaking several essential applications.
> > Anyway, generally, you should be careful when upgrading a production
> > system with any new version of any language, library or software!
>


> that when updates are offered, these are stable enough to not break my
> environment and that each and every part and component is included to
>

The current package guidelines do not offer that way Benoit! that's the
main problem, there's no soft upgrade way for production system when mayor
changes are detected

Noted that the Debian gambas team takes care of that in a very soft way and
well made !


> including new components with totally different code, I could wait until
> all error reports had ended or until I really had the time to care for
>

this i also touched when I said that release and number versioning is bad!

X.Y.0 (currently 3.16.0) has too many runtime errors reports, i advertised
you in the odbc mail i send privately but is clear you dont take attention
on it

a pre release (as i pointed ) with pre-production team  testers must be
made before any official release! in the other mail when some people here
attack me!


> the coding and do the step. The change in Printer is a good example for
> this. I finally did it when I had to set up a new server anyway.
>
> Regards
> Rolf
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:39:22 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Update for Gambas safe now?
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Le 21/04/2021 ? 13:18, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit?:
> 
> X.Y.0 (currently 3.16.0) has too many runtime errors reports, i 
> advertised you in the odbc mail i send privately but is clear you dont 
> take attention on it

No idea what you are talking about... "runtime errors"? What's that?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 13:48:54 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 07:48:54 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Update for Gambas safe now?
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References: <c0b587f7-4102-15c8-bd35-56cc20e88874@osnanet.de>
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El mi?, 21 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 07:40, Beno?t Minisini (g4mba5 at gmail.com)
escribi?:

> Le 21/04/2021 ? 13:18, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit :
> >
> > X.Y.0 (currently 3.16.0) has too many runtime errors reports, i
> > advertised you in the odbc mail i send privately but is clear you dont
> > take attention on it
>
> No idea what you are talking about... "runtime errors"? What's that?
>

sorry . I'm sorry, I misspelled it, I meant to say all these
incompatibility details when executing, but I couldn't find the right
phrase... i already send the same details but pretty resumed in the private
mail of the odbc test


>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 13:59:20 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:59:20 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Update for Gambas safe now?
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Le 21/04/2021 ? 13:48, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit?:
> 
> El mi?, 21 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 07:40, Beno?t Minisini 
> (g4mba5 at gmail.com <mailto:g4mba5 at gmail.com>) escribi?:
> 
>     Le 21/04/2021 ? 13:18, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit?:
>      >
>      > X.Y.0 (currently 3.16.0) has too many runtime errors reports, i
>      > advertised you in the odbc mail i send privately but is clear you
>     dont
>      > take attention on it
> 
>     No idea what you are talking about... "runtime errors"? What's that?
> 
> 
> sorry . I'm sorry, I misspelled it, I meant to say all these 
> incompatibility details when executing, but I couldn't find the right 
> phrase... i already send the same details but pretty resumed in the 
> private mail of the odbc test
> 

The mails about your tests of the new ODBC component? If you can rewrite 
them with a better english and more clearly, then can be added to the 
documentation of the ODBC component.

But I don't see how they are a problem against the release of the 3.16 
version.

As each ODBC driver behaves differently, having their own bugs and 
limitations, this test reports should be splitted by ODBC driver.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 14:47:06 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 08:47:06 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Update for Gambas safe now?
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El mi?, 21 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 08:00, Beno?t Minisini (g4mba5 at gmail.com)
escribi?:

> The mails about your tests of the new ODBC component? If you can rewrite
> them with a better english and more clearly, then can be added to the
> documentation of the ODBC component.
>

The email is in enough well made english because it was written by a group
on telegram, the tests were made by the opentech group, another indication
that you didn't read the one that said "crappy report" with the emojis.

dont worry about the ODBC documentation in gambas is sufficiently up to
date, as I explained in the mail it does not need changes because as the
ODBC standard works there are no advanced features to implement, for that
in the gambas wiki there is a complete minimal review of ODBC and its
operation apart.

also the sqlite documentation is well made too dont worry about that! i
have an old bug using BLOB data with sqlite, it seems need dump to
filesystem to property used but i will report later cos i dont have the
project aht used and raised the bug!


>
> But I don't see how they are a problem against the release of the 3.16
> version.
>
dependency system and packaging guidelines are not in sync, older gambas
softwre packaged from gambas 3.15 with gambas 3.16 must be regenerated, so
far I have failed the x11 module and the dependencies between runtime, but
as I mentioned before I only used the ppa to perform the tests quickly, I
did not continue using ppa


>
> As each ODBC driver behaves differently, having their own bugs and
> limitations, this test reports should be splitted by ODBC driver.
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From pinozollo at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 15:35:29 2021
From: pinozollo at gmail.com (Pino Zollo)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 09:35:29 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Installation in my home dir
Message-ID: <58fb75c3-7317-a388-e79c-97631db14c46@gmail.com>

I have compiled without problems the new version....

now I would like to test it in a reserved directory been remindful of 
odd problems

I had at any version change.

lease, how can I do an "make install" that does not override the old 
version ?

Salud

Pino


	



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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 15:38:18 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 09:38:18 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Installation in my home dir
In-Reply-To: <58fb75c3-7317-a388-e79c-97631db14c46@gmail.com>
References: <58fb75c3-7317-a388-e79c-97631db14c46@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALci+FSneOhsS1UMQBQtNBzWhVSJx+R=o_dSiVcEsi+fAsWpbQ@mail.gmail.com>

use DESTDIR and specify the target


Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com


El mi?, 21 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 09:36, Pino Zollo (pinozollo at gmail.com)
escribi?:

> I have compiled without problems the new version....
>
> now I would like to test it in a reserved directory been remindful of odd
> problems
>
> I had at any version change.
>
> lease, how can I do an "make install" that does not override the old
> version ?
>
> Salud
>
> Pino
>
>
>
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From isafiur at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 17:56:28 2021
From: isafiur at gmail.com (Safiur Rahman)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 21:41:28 +0545
Subject: [Gambas-user] Bugs in gambas 3.16
In-Reply-To: <CADKn0TKwqebwEFKJ6KjpbP--=_-K_PcqKYpY=5h+C_iaBS5bEg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADKn0TKJYofU0CNgcCkJiT-MoEySrnoZ_UGpttzwkKk=eNhfQw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADKn0TJRS=t3ZExPrENtKNoNav+ai2M5cGdW4V+mEdtv2Ep_Vw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Beno?t

If I use "Next" property to change focus to next control instead of
using Desktop.SendKeys("\t") then it is fine except when the active
control is Valuebox.

When Application.ActiveControl is ValueBox then
Application.ActiveControl.Next is Null. Thats why I am not able to use
"Next" property to change focus to next control.

Public Sub Form_KeyRelease()
  If Key.Code = Key.Enter Or If Key.Code = Key.Return Then
    Application.ActiveControl.Next.SetFocus
  Endif
End

Attached a sample project. Just press Return to change Focus from one
control to other. You will get error

On 4/21/21, Safiur Rahman <isafiur at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Manually loading X11 class solved my problem of Desktop.SendKeys
> error. Please check why bug tracker log in is not working?
>
> On 4/21/21, Safiur Rahman <isafiur at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> The Desktop.SendKeys is not working now. The bug tracker neither
>> allows login of my old user id nor allows log in of newly created user
>> id.
>> We have been using Desktop.SendKeys for more than six years to allow
>> user use Return/Enter key instead of Tab key to go to next control in
>> several applications. Now that is not working. Is there any workaround
>> to solve "Cannot load clas X11" error in temporary basis for the time
>> this bug gets fixed?
>>
>> Attached a project to reproduce this problem.
>>
>> --
>> Regards
>> Safiur Rahman
>>
>
>
> --
> Regards
> Safiur Rahman
>


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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 18:45:11 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 18:45:11 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Bugs in gambas 3.16
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Le 21/04/2021 ? 17:56, Safiur Rahman a ?crit?:
> Hi Beno?t
> 
> If I use "Next" property to change focus to next control instead of
> using Desktop.SendKeys("\t") then it is fine except when the active
> control is Valuebox.
> 
> When Application.ActiveControl is ValueBox then
> Application.ActiveControl.Next is Null. Thats why I am not able to use
> "Next" property to change focus to next control.
> 
> Public Sub Form_KeyRelease()
>    If Key.Code = Key.Enter Or If Key.Code = Key.Return Then
>      Application.ActiveControl.Next.SetFocus
>    Endif
> End
> 
> Attached a sample project. Just press Return to change Focus from one
> control to other. You will get error
> 

It's because it's more complex than that, as soon as you use controls 
made in Gambas that actually are containers. There is the notion of 
"proxy" controls that are the real controls that get the focus in place 
of the control you call SetFocus() on.

I will write GUI methods "FocusNext" / "FocusPrevious" (or something 
like that) that handle all the stuff and the corner cases.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 19:28:07 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 19:28:07 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Packaging problems with X11 and Wayland
Message-ID: <5901affc-fe7e-b5eb-a760-7f8f6b4f64a7@gmail.com>

Hi,

I think that the problem with the current packaging and 'gb.desktop' is 
that when using a GUI component or gb.desktop, you need either X11 or 
wayland support.

But package manager (afaik) can't handle that. Either you create no 
dependency, and you have to install the x11 or wayland packages 
manually, either you created dependencies on both x11 and wayland, and 
it's idiot, as now you are force to install unneeded packages.

So I think a part of the solution would be creating two meta-packages: 
'gambas3-x11-support' and 'gambas3-wayland-support' that would install 
all x11 or wayland related packages ('gb.qt5', 'gb.gtk3' and 
'gb.desktop' have such packages).

What do you think?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From lordheavym at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 20:09:04 2021
From: lordheavym at gmail.com (Laurent Carlier)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 20:09:04 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Packaging problems with X11 and Wayland
In-Reply-To: <5901affc-fe7e-b5eb-a760-7f8f6b4f64a7@gmail.com>
References: <5901affc-fe7e-b5eb-a760-7f8f6b4f64a7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3388859.FPj311zCkV@lordh-pc>

Le mercredi 21 avril 2021, 19:28:07 CEST Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
> Hi,
> 
> I think that the problem with the current packaging and 'gb.desktop' is
> that when using a GUI component or gb.desktop, you need either X11 or
> wayland support.
> 
> But package manager (afaik) can't handle that. Either you create no
> dependency, and you have to install the x11 or wayland packages
> manually, either you created dependencies on both x11 and wayland, and
> it's idiot, as now you are force to install unneeded packages.
> 
> So I think a part of the solution would be creating two meta-packages:
> 'gambas3-x11-support' and 'gambas3-wayland-support' that would install
> all x11 or wayland related packages ('gb.qt5', 'gb.gtk3' and
> 'gb.desktop' have such packages).
> 
> What do you think?

Resolved in Archlinux; gambas3-gb-desktop will depend on gambas3-gb-desktop-
driver (?)  and gambas3-gb-desktop-x11 and gambas3-gb-desktop
-wayland will provide gambas3-gb-desktop-driver

Like that when installing gambas3-gb-desktop you'll have to install (at least) 
one of them.

Regards.
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 20:09:16 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 14:09:16 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Packaging problems with X11 and Wayland
In-Reply-To: <5901affc-fe7e-b5eb-a760-7f8f6b4f64a7@gmail.com>
References: <5901affc-fe7e-b5eb-a760-7f8f6b4f64a7@gmail.com>
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i seen this before with GUI modules (gtk/qt) and i now see that you guys
never taking in considerations migrations ..

what about that? noted in debian the mantainers made right transitional
packages that permits good right depends

El mi?, 21 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 13:29, Beno?t Minisini (g4mba5 at gmail.com)
escribi?:

> Hi,
>
> I think that the problem with the current packaging and 'gb.desktop' is
> that when using a GUI component or gb.desktop, you need either X11 or
> wayland support.
>
> But package manager (afaik) can't handle that. Either you create no
> dependency, and you have to install the x11 or wayland packages
> manually, either you created dependencies on both x11 and wayland, and
> it's idiot, as now you are force to install unneeded packages.
>
> So I think a part of the solution would be creating two meta-packages:
> 'gambas3-x11-support' and 'gambas3-wayland-support' that would install
> all x11 or wayland related packages ('gb.qt5', 'gb.gtk3' and
> 'gb.desktop' have such packages).
>
> What do you think?
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 14:12:40 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Packaging problems with X11 and Wayland
In-Reply-To: <3388859.FPj311zCkV@lordh-pc>
References: <5901affc-fe7e-b5eb-a760-7f8f6b4f64a7@gmail.com>
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El mi?, 21 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 14:10, Laurent Carlier (
lordheavym at gmail.com) escribi?:

> Le mercredi 21 avril 2021, 19:28:07 CEST Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
> > But package manager (afaik) can't handle that. Either you create no
> Resolved in Archlinux; gambas3-gb-desktop will depend on
> gambas3-gb-desktop-
> driver (?)  and gambas3-gb-desktop-x11 and gambas3-gb-desktop
> -wayland will provide gambas3-gb-desktop-driver
>
i seen this before with GUI modules (gtk/qt) and i now see that you guys
never taking in considerations migrations ..  as i know that linux is not
well knowed by stability.. only by "cutting edge"
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From lordheavym at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 20:32:25 2021
From: lordheavym at gmail.com (Laurent Carlier)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 20:32:25 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Packaging problems with X11 and Wayland
In-Reply-To: <3388859.FPj311zCkV@lordh-pc>
References: <5901affc-fe7e-b5eb-a760-7f8f6b4f64a7@gmail.com>
 <3388859.FPj311zCkV@lordh-pc>
Message-ID: <1702431.TpYUZAfUBC@lordh-pc>

Le mercredi 21 avril 2021, 20:09:04 CEST Laurent Carlier a ?crit :
> Le mercredi 21 avril 2021, 19:28:07 CEST Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I think that the problem with the current packaging and 'gb.desktop' is
> > that when using a GUI component or gb.desktop, you need either X11 or
> > wayland support.
> > 
> > But package manager (afaik) can't handle that. Either you create no
> > dependency, and you have to install the x11 or wayland packages
> > manually, either you created dependencies on both x11 and wayland, and
> > it's idiot, as now you are force to install unneeded packages.
> > 
> > So I think a part of the solution would be creating two meta-packages:
> > 'gambas3-x11-support' and 'gambas3-wayland-support' that would install
> > all x11 or wayland related packages ('gb.qt5', 'gb.gtk3' and
> > 'gb.desktop' have such packages).
> > 
> > What do you think?
> 
> Resolved in Archlinux; gambas3-gb-desktop will depend on gambas3-gb-desktop-
> driver (?)  and gambas3-gb-desktop-x11 and gambas3-gb-desktop
> -wayland will provide gambas3-gb-desktop-driver
> 
> Like that when installing gambas3-gb-desktop you'll have to install (at
> least) one of them.
> 
> Regards.

In debian, it's a virtual package

https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/pkg-basics.en.html#virtual
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 20:33:43 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 20:33:43 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Packaging problems with X11 and Wayland
In-Reply-To: <3388859.FPj311zCkV@lordh-pc>
References: <5901affc-fe7e-b5eb-a760-7f8f6b4f64a7@gmail.com>
 <3388859.FPj311zCkV@lordh-pc>
Message-ID: <cec4b203-893d-ab7b-b33f-fedfa2886b5f@gmail.com>

Le 21/04/2021 ? 20:09, Laurent Carlier a ?crit?:
> Le mercredi 21 avril 2021, 19:28:07 CEST Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think that the problem with the current packaging and 'gb.desktop' is
>> that when using a GUI component or gb.desktop, you need either X11 or
>> wayland support.
>>
>> But package manager (afaik) can't handle that. Either you create no
>> dependency, and you have to install the x11 or wayland packages
>> manually, either you created dependencies on both x11 and wayland, and
>> it's idiot, as now you are force to install unneeded packages.
>>
>> So I think a part of the solution would be creating two meta-packages:
>> 'gambas3-x11-support' and 'gambas3-wayland-support' that would install
>> all x11 or wayland related packages ('gb.qt5', 'gb.gtk3' and
>> 'gb.desktop' have such packages).
>>
>> What do you think?
> 
> Resolved in Archlinux; gambas3-gb-desktop will depend on gambas3-gb-desktop-
> driver (?)  and gambas3-gb-desktop-x11 and gambas3-gb-desktop
> -wayland will provide gambas3-gb-desktop-driver
> 
> Like that when installing gambas3-gb-desktop you'll have to install (at least)
> one of them.
> 
> Regards.
> 

Yep. I must learn how to do that with debian packages.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 20:48:33 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 20:48:33 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Packaging problems with X11 and Wayland
In-Reply-To: <1702431.TpYUZAfUBC@lordh-pc>
References: <5901affc-fe7e-b5eb-a760-7f8f6b4f64a7@gmail.com>
 <3388859.FPj311zCkV@lordh-pc> <1702431.TpYUZAfUBC@lordh-pc>
Message-ID: <253b38b0-81f9-f45e-ceac-2f6d7bfb708c@gmail.com>

Le 21/04/2021 ? 20:32, Laurent Carlier a ?crit?:
> Le mercredi 21 avril 2021, 20:09:04 CEST Laurent Carlier a ?crit :
>> Le mercredi 21 avril 2021, 19:28:07 CEST Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I think that the problem with the current packaging and 'gb.desktop' is
>>> that when using a GUI component or gb.desktop, you need either X11 or
>>> wayland support.
>>>
>>> But package manager (afaik) can't handle that. Either you create no
>>> dependency, and you have to install the x11 or wayland packages
>>> manually, either you created dependencies on both x11 and wayland, and
>>> it's idiot, as now you are force to install unneeded packages.
>>>
>>> So I think a part of the solution would be creating two meta-packages:
>>> 'gambas3-x11-support' and 'gambas3-wayland-support' that would install
>>> all x11 or wayland related packages ('gb.qt5', 'gb.gtk3' and
>>> 'gb.desktop' have such packages).
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>
>> Resolved in Archlinux; gambas3-gb-desktop will depend on gambas3-gb-desktop-
>> driver (?)  and gambas3-gb-desktop-x11 and gambas3-gb-desktop
>> -wayland will provide gambas3-gb-desktop-driver
>>
>> Like that when installing gambas3-gb-desktop you'll have to install (at
>> least) one of them.
>>
>> Regards.
> 
> In debian, it's a virtual package
> 
> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/pkg-basics.en.html#virtual
> 

Mmm... You should be able to install both x11 and wayland support at the 
same time. Isn't it a problem?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 20:50:09 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 20:50:09 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Packaging problems with X11 and Wayland
In-Reply-To: <253b38b0-81f9-f45e-ceac-2f6d7bfb708c@gmail.com>
References: <5901affc-fe7e-b5eb-a760-7f8f6b4f64a7@gmail.com>
 <3388859.FPj311zCkV@lordh-pc> <1702431.TpYUZAfUBC@lordh-pc>
 <253b38b0-81f9-f45e-ceac-2f6d7bfb708c@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <22617455-a956-6738-aa5f-daab52402c63@gmail.com>

Le 21/04/2021 ? 20:48, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
> Le 21/04/2021 ? 20:32, Laurent Carlier a ?crit?:
>> Le mercredi 21 avril 2021, 20:09:04 CEST Laurent Carlier a ?crit :
>>> Le mercredi 21 avril 2021, 19:28:07 CEST Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I think that the problem with the current packaging and 'gb.desktop' is
>>>> that when using a GUI component or gb.desktop, you need either X11 or
>>>> wayland support.
>>>>
>>>> But package manager (afaik) can't handle that. Either you create no
>>>> dependency, and you have to install the x11 or wayland packages
>>>> manually, either you created dependencies on both x11 and wayland, and
>>>> it's idiot, as now you are force to install unneeded packages.
>>>>
>>>> So I think a part of the solution would be creating two meta-packages:
>>>> 'gambas3-x11-support' and 'gambas3-wayland-support' that would install
>>>> all x11 or wayland related packages ('gb.qt5', 'gb.gtk3' and
>>>> 'gb.desktop' have such packages).
>>>>
>>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> Resolved in Archlinux; gambas3-gb-desktop will depend on 
>>> gambas3-gb-desktop-
>>> driver (?)? and gambas3-gb-desktop-x11 and gambas3-gb-desktop
>>> -wayland will provide gambas3-gb-desktop-driver
>>>
>>> Like that when installing gambas3-gb-desktop you'll have to install (at
>>> least) one of them.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>
>> In debian, it's a virtual package
>>
>> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/pkg-basics.en.html#virtual
>>
> 
> Mmm... You should be able to install both x11 and wayland support at the 
> same time. Isn't it a problem?
> 

In debian I can make a "OR" between dependencies, so I was thinking 
using that instead.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 21:02:44 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 15:02:44 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Packaging problems with X11 and Wayland
In-Reply-To: <253b38b0-81f9-f45e-ceac-2f6d7bfb708c@gmail.com>
References: <5901affc-fe7e-b5eb-a760-7f8f6b4f64a7@gmail.com>
 <3388859.FPj311zCkV@lordh-pc> <1702431.TpYUZAfUBC@lordh-pc>
 <253b38b0-81f9-f45e-ceac-2f6d7bfb708c@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALci+FTYv06nMo3v-vkyXDAy==_UaAMH7Xix3ZRm1HviB+pczA@mail.gmail.com>

you can isntall both and both can provided one.. check the debian template
for gambas.. is the right made of..

Benoit i gues you should let the debina packagin to a more experiment
user.. i made those debian packages for years inclusivelly for olders debian


El mi?, 21 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 14:49, Beno?t Minisini (g4mba5 at gmail.com)
escribi?:

> Le 21/04/2021 ? 20:32, Laurent Carlier a ?crit :
> > Le mercredi 21 avril 2021, 20:09:04 CEST Laurent Carlier a ?crit :
> >> Le mercredi 21 avril 2021, 19:28:07 CEST Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I think that the problem with the current packaging and 'gb.desktop' is
> >>> that when using a GUI component or gb.desktop, you need either X11 or
> >>> wayland support.
> >>>
> >>> But package manager (afaik) can't handle that. Either you create no
> >>> dependency, and you have to install the x11 or wayland packages
> >>> manually, either you created dependencies on both x11 and wayland, and
> >>> it's idiot, as now you are force to install unneeded packages.
> >>>
> >>> So I think a part of the solution would be creating two meta-packages:
> >>> 'gambas3-x11-support' and 'gambas3-wayland-support' that would install
> >>> all x11 or wayland related packages ('gb.qt5', 'gb.gtk3' and
> >>> 'gb.desktop' have such packages).
> >>>
> >>> What do you think?
> >>
> >> Resolved in Archlinux; gambas3-gb-desktop will depend on
> gambas3-gb-desktop-
> >> driver (?)  and gambas3-gb-desktop-x11 and gambas3-gb-desktop
> >> -wayland will provide gambas3-gb-desktop-driver
> >>
> >> Like that when installing gambas3-gb-desktop you'll have to install (at
> >> least) one of them.
> >>
> >> Regards.
> >
> > In debian, it's a virtual package
> >
> > https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/pkg-basics.en.html#virtual
> >
>
> Mmm... You should be able to install both x11 and wayland support at the
> same time. Isn't it a problem?
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Wed Apr 21 21:33:40 2021
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 21:33:40 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas in a container
Message-ID: <5c4347d8-ed12-2d81-d167-6904a91dbc6f@belmotek.net>

Hi.

Developing Gambas IDE and developing programs with Gambas, in practice, 
implies having two versions of the IDE and since they cannot coexist in 
the same system (correct me if I'm wrong) we must have a double system 
boot or have a virtual machine.

But if it possible to use Gambas IDE through a LXC, Docker or something 
like that, which would involve less system resources, Would anyone have 
any tutorials or ideas?

What do you think?

Mart?n.

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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 21:52:23 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 15:52:23 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas in a container
In-Reply-To: <5c4347d8-ed12-2d81-d167-6904a91dbc6f@belmotek.net>
References: <5c4347d8-ed12-2d81-d167-6904a91dbc6f@belmotek.net>
Message-ID: <CALci+FRCgK+pZxoEDEDNqZtsLKZh1f9U3sVGqpKvn959DRxsWA@mail.gmail.com>

i was in a plan to made gambas packages for alpine, so we can made doker
containers rto use.. next step could be X redirect but

currently level of dependencies and some packagin guidelines let the work
stooped.. i'm currently made my own debian one3s to later check the
packagin guidelines in the gambas wiki and again redone the work on alpine


Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com


El mi?, 21 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 15:34, Martin (mbelmonte at belmotek.net)
escribi?:

> Hi.
>
> Developing Gambas IDE and developing programs with Gambas, in practice,
> implies having two versions of the IDE and since they cannot coexist in the
> same system (correct me if I'm wrong) we must have a double system boot or
> have a virtual machine.
>
> But if it possible to use Gambas IDE through a LXC, Docker or something
> like that, which would involve less system resources, Would anyone have any
> tutorials or ideas?
>
> What do you think?
>
> Mart?n.
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 22:54:45 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 22:54:45 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Packaging problems with X11 and Wayland
In-Reply-To: <22617455-a956-6738-aa5f-daab52402c63@gmail.com>
References: <5901affc-fe7e-b5eb-a760-7f8f6b4f64a7@gmail.com>
 <3388859.FPj311zCkV@lordh-pc> <1702431.TpYUZAfUBC@lordh-pc>
 <253b38b0-81f9-f45e-ceac-2f6d7bfb708c@gmail.com>
 <22617455-a956-6738-aa5f-daab52402c63@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ea90c11b-2606-10e3-c752-4679713a761d@gmail.com>

Le 21/04/2021 ? 20:50, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
>>
>> Mmm... You should be able to install both x11 and wayland support at 
>> the same time. Isn't it a problem?
>>
> 
> In debian I can make a "OR" between dependencies, so I was thinking 
> using that instead.
> 

So, I added a 'gambas3-gui' virtual package that depends on one of the 
GUI component (qt4, qt5, gtk+ or gtk+3).

The following packages depend on this package: 'gambas3-gb-form', 
'gambas3-gb-media-form' and 'gb-form-terminal'. The other packages 
needing a GUI already depends on 'gambas3-gb-form', so it is ok.

This is only available on 20.10 and 21.04 packages at the moment. Please 
report if it makes package installation better.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From Karl.Reinl at Fen-Net.de  Wed Apr 21 23:29:12 2021
From: Karl.Reinl at Fen-Net.de (Charlie Reinl)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 23:29:12 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas in a container
In-Reply-To: <5c4347d8-ed12-2d81-d167-6904a91dbc6f@belmotek.net>
References: <5c4347d8-ed12-2d81-d167-6904a91dbc6f@belmotek.net>
Message-ID: <e6c0126f5746e8f8080ecd9c80916dea5aabaa7b.camel@Fen-Net.de>

Am Mittwoch, den 21.04.2021, 21:33 +0200 schrieb Martin:
>     Hi.
>     Developing Gambas IDE and developing programs with Gambas, in
>       practice, implies having two versions of the IDE and since they
>       cannot coexist in the same system (correct me if I'm wrong) we
>       must have a double system boot or have a virtual machine.
>     But if it possible to use Gambas IDE through
>       a LXC, Docker or something like that, which would involve less
>       system resources, Would anyone have any tutorials or ideas?
>     What do you think?
> 
>     
>     Mart?n.
> 
>     
>   
> 
Salut Martin,
Not a good idea. To emulate the development environment, you need more
than just the gambas IDE. In fact, you need a clone of the main system.
What I used to do, to test on two or more gambas versions, I had two or
more directories with the corresponding compiled versions. So I just
needed a 'sudo make install' and a little time to switch over.
In a docker solution, everything has to be maintained twice/multiple
times.


-- 
Amicalement
Charlie

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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 00:49:32 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 23:49:32 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas in a container
In-Reply-To: <5c4347d8-ed12-2d81-d167-6904a91dbc6f@belmotek.net>
References: <5c4347d8-ed12-2d81-d167-6904a91dbc6f@belmotek.net>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCB81RL833-AQKd7i-82v0H0Rg0wFO_VnMsKDs+AJi6tnQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 at 20:34, Martin <mbelmonte at belmotek.net> wrote:

> Hi.
>
> Developing Gambas IDE and developing programs with Gambas, in practice,
> implies having two versions of the IDE and since they cannot coexist in the
> same system (correct me if I'm wrong) we must have a double system boot or
> have a virtual machine.
>
> But if it possible to use Gambas IDE through a LXC, Docker or something
> like that, which would involve less system resources, Would anyone have any
> tutorials or ideas?
>
> What do you think?
>
> Mart?n.
>

For me i have my hard drive split into many partitions.
You can use gparted to easily shrink your existing boot partition and add
another to your drive or add a partition to another drive. (i think you may
need to boot from a live linux installer usb to shrink your boot partition)
I develop my own software on linux Mint20 using the latest gambas
development version and use the GB_PCODE_VERSION env to make it run on a
lesser version gambas and am sure to not include any code that would not
work on a lesser version, or at least the lowest version i want to be
compatible for (default Debian10 download being gambas 3.12)
I have debian10 set up on a hard drive and boot into it via my grub menu
occasionally and before releasing (if i don't forget) just to ensure
backward compatibility.

things like VirtualBox and qemu are really slow.

there are ways to have multiple gambas installs on one drive but you need
to set env variables to set paths and switch between versions that way.
It's probably easier to just add a compatibility testing partition with
debian10 and gambas 3.12 on it.

BruceS
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 01:54:06 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 00:54:06 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Release of Gambas 3.16.0
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 at 22:48, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Le 20/04/2021 ? 23:20, Bruce Steers a ?crit :
> >
> > A cheeky note on your english my friend (hope you dont mind the
> > observation/correction)
> >   I have seen you use the word "normally" in similar context to the
> > above last sentence but it does not really make sense in English as we
> > do not use it that way.  I think the word you want is "generally".
> > "Normally" to us  means more like "usually" (most of the previous
> > times)  where as "generally" means more  "for the most part" (in general
> > cases)
> > It's harder to explain than I thought lol but trust me the word normally
> > just does not really fit that sentence.
>
> I'm afraid I don't make the difference in french between "most of the
> time", and "for the most part"...
>

It's the "previous" you omitted there that is the important factor i think,
Normally implies the norm , the norm is established, not so much anything
hypothetical/future.
i had a quick search and found this page...
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/french-english/normalement_2
you will notice that type #1 and #2 translations use the word "normally" in
the translated text, but the #3.  (= comme pr?vu) translations do not (they
all speak of future events) in English "normally" is not used that way.


> I used "normally" because it looks like "normalement" in French.
>
> https://www.linguee.fr/francais-anglais/traduction/normalement.html
>
> That page tells me that I can translate it as "normally", "generally",
> "naturally" and seven other words. But not "usually".
>
> Here I wanted to mean "login has been fixed unless the contrary".
>

yes i understood, that's how i spotted the error.
"Login should generally be fixed now."  works great

Sorry i did not wish to sound rude, it's just i have seen this little
glitch a few times and thought maybe i could help.

one day i'll try to figure out how to explain to you how you use the word
"by" in a few places in the documentation where it does not make sense but
the word "with" does. ;)

Well wishes good man :)

BruceS
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From herberthguzman at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 03:55:55 2021
From: herberthguzman at gmail.com (Herberth Guzman)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 19:55:55 -0600
Subject: [Gambas-user] Packaging problems with X11 and Wayland
In-Reply-To: <ea90c11b-2606-10e3-c752-4679713a761d@gmail.com>
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Hi
Benoit please, maintain in sync with Debian ones, it seems is a pain when
dist upgrades are made, and it seems you don't noted! he quality of the
debian stability.

El mi?rcoles, 21 de abril de 2021, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com>
escribi?:

> Le 21/04/2021 ? 20:50, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
>
>>
>>> Mmm... You should be able to install both x11 and wayland support at the
>>> same time. Isn't it a problem?
>>>
>>>
>> In debian I can make a "OR" between dependencies, so I was thinking using
>> that instead.
>>
>>
> So, I added a 'gambas3-gui' virtual package that depends on one of the GUI
> component (qt4, qt5, gtk+ or gtk+3).
>
> The following packages depend on this package: 'gambas3-gb-form',
> 'gambas3-gb-media-form' and 'gb-form-terminal'. The other packages needing
> a GUI already depends on 'gambas3-gb-form', so it is ok.
>
> This is only available on 20.10 and 21.04 packages at the moment. Please
> report if it makes package installation better.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 09:36:34 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 03:36:34 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
Message-ID: <CALci+FQvW+=0Sd6vL9LdzeA51B0zLkTDqw4_556YPNDQi94+mA@mail.gmail.com>

i read in the packaging wiki:

gambas3-dev would be the name of a package that allows to develop Gambas,
> *not* to develop *with* Gamas


Please can you elaborate the "dev" package then? cos is "missing" there

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 13:42:18 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 13:42:18 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Packaging problems with X11 and Wayland
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Le 22/04/2021 ? 03:55, Herberth Guzman a ?crit?:
> Hi
> Benoit please, maintain in sync with Debian ones, it seems is a pain 
> when dist upgrades are made, and it seems you don't noted! he quality of 
> the debian stability.
> 

I will look at the Debian packages, as now there are maintained by 
Bastian Germann.

Note that the guy who maintained the Gambas PPA disappeared in the 
hyper-space, so I'm learning how to make debian packages correctly steps 
by steps.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 13:43:36 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 13:43:36 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Packaging problems with X11 and Wayland
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Le 22/04/2021 ? 13:42, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
> Le 22/04/2021 ? 03:55, Herberth Guzman a ?crit?:
>> Hi
>> Benoit please, maintain in sync with Debian ones, it seems is a pain 
>> when dist upgrades are made, and it seems you don't noted! he quality 
>> of the debian stability.
>>
> 
> I will look at the Debian packages, as now there are maintained by 
> Bastian Germann.
> 
> Note that the guy who maintained the Gambas PPA disappeared in the 
> hyper-space, so I'm learning how to make debian packages correctly steps 
> by steps.
> 
> Regards,
> 

If I notice that the Debian packages are correctly made (which was not 
the case in the past), then I will remove the Gambas stable PPA, and 
rename it as Gambas testing PPA, for testing the next stable version.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 13:54:31 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 13:54:31 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
In-Reply-To: <CALci+FQvW+=0Sd6vL9LdzeA51B0zLkTDqw4_556YPNDQi94+mA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALci+FQvW+=0Sd6vL9LdzeA51B0zLkTDqw4_556YPNDQi94+mA@mail.gmail.com>
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Le 22/04/2021 ? 09:36, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit?:
> 
> i read in the packaging wiki:
> 
>     |gambas3-dev|?would be the name of a package that allows to develop
>     Gambas, /not/?to develop /with/?Gamas
> 
> 
> Please can you elaborate?the "dev" package then? cos is "missing" there
> 
> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com <http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com>
> 

There must be no "gambas3-dev" package in the Debian meaning.

For example, you have a "libcurl-dev" package that allows you to develop 
a program that links to the "libcurl" library.

This distinction is needed by the C and C++ languages that require 
header files. If C and C++ languages didn't require header files, you 
would have no "-dev" packages anywhere (or it would have been renamed 
"-changelog" or something else because Debian put a changelog file 
automatically in the packages).

As for Gambas, it is not a library: you don't link to it, and you can't 
use the component header files outside of the source tree (some are 
symbolic links between component source directories). All the 
developpement is done inside the Gambas source tree.

If you develop an external component, it is written in Gambas, and so 
does not need any include files, only the Gambas binary packages of its 
dependencies.

So, no need for a "gambas3-dev" package.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 15:25:22 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 09:25:22 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
In-Reply-To: <2ec00d7d-0401-45f8-1688-2cd722a560af@gmail.com>
References: <CALci+FQvW+=0Sd6vL9LdzeA51B0zLkTDqw4_556YPNDQi94+mA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CALci+FRSyALcgJVh=FBEHh26AauzV4CuGm0XVvfkW8i5RwBDaA@mail.gmail.com>

now then you must change it !

*gambas3-dev| would be the name of a pack*age that allows to develop

here "WOULD" is a confuse term.. the right thing is:

*gambas-dev is a virtual package in debian to comply with its packaging
policy, this package will disappear soon and is only for transition in
upgrades, the correct name of the package to develop in gambas as a
dependency is gambas-devel because it is a package compentio*

This change is based in your explanation...* since it is not properly a
library, the most similar in debian and alpine is what they call a
metapackage, a package that ensures the exclusive environment for
development and not the development environment.*

Benoit mostly linux except those not so free (rpm based) used those "devel"
naming scheme, alpine linux the most deployed one used same naming scheme
as debian .. as example..  oficial reposnse from alpine cited:
https://t.me/alpine_linux_english/12716

[image: imagen.png]

El jue, 22 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 07:55, Beno?t Minisini (g4mba5 at gmail.com)
escribi?:

> Le 22/04/2021 ? 09:36, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit :
> >
> > i read in the packaging wiki:
> >
> >     |gambas3-dev| would be the name of a package that allows to develop
> >     Gambas, /not/ to develop /with/ Gamas
> >
> >
> > Please can you elaborate the "dev" package then? cos is "missing" there
> >
> > Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> > http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com <http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com>
> >
>
> There must be no "gambas3-dev" package in the Debian meaning.
>
> For example, you have a "libcurl-dev" package that allows you to develop
> a program that links to the "libcurl" library.
>
> This distinction is needed by the C and C++ languages that require
> header files. If C and C++ languages didn't require header files, you
> would have no "-dev" packages anywhere (or it would have been renamed
> "-changelog" or something else because Debian put a changelog file
> automatically in the packages).
>
> As for Gambas, it is not a library: you don't link to it, and you can't
> use the component header files outside of the source tree (some are
> symbolic links between component source directories). All the
> developpement is done inside the Gambas source tree.
>
> If you develop an external component, it is written in Gambas, and so
> does not need any include files, only the Gambas binary packages of its
> dependencies.
>
> So, no need for a "gambas3-dev" package.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 15:42:21 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 15:42:21 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
In-Reply-To: <CALci+FRSyALcgJVh=FBEHh26AauzV4CuGm0XVvfkW8i5RwBDaA@mail.gmail.com>
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Le 22/04/2021 ? 15:25, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit?:
> now then you must change it !
> 
> /gambas3-dev|?would be the name of a pack/age that allows to develop
> 
> here "WOULD" is a confuse term.. the right thing is:
> 
> /*gambas-dev is a virtual package in debian to comply with its packaging 
> policy, this package will disappear soon and is only for transition in 
> upgrades, the correct name of the package to develop in gambas as a 
> dependency is gambas-devel because it is a package compentio*/
> 
> This change is based in your explanation...*since it is not properly a 
> library, the most similar in debian and alpine is what they call a 
> metapackage, a package that ensures the exclusive environment for 
> development and not the development environment.*
> 
> Benoit mostly linux except those not so free (rpm based) used those 
> "devel" naming scheme, alpine linux the most deployed one used same 
> naming scheme as debian .. as example..? oficial reposnse from alpine 
> cited: https://t.me/alpine_linux_english/12716 
> <https://t.me/alpine_linux_english/12716>
> 
> imagen.png
> 

I don't understand a word you wrote.

My explanation is clear: there is no "gambas3-dev" debian package 
because that package would be void.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 15:59:03 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 09:59:03 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
In-Reply-To: <65d825d6-6536-a5bd-270f-b327627d80d2@gmail.com>
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El jue, 22 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 09:43, Beno?t Minisini (g4mba5 at gmail.com)
escribi?:

> Le 22/04/2021 ? 15:25, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit :
> > This change is based in your explanation...*since it is not properly a
> > library, the most similar in debian and alpine is what they call a
> > metapackage, a package that ensures the exclusive environment for
> > development and not the development environment.*
> My explanation is clear: there is no "gambas3-dev" debian package
> because that package would be void.
>
i mean that the -dev package still exist in winbuntu and ebian so your
packages must provide a transition on dist upgrades pufff is so hard to
explain?

you try to package  but do not read the debgian guidelines .. at leas do
you talking with debian packager?

i put the right text .. could you take in consideration at least?


>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 16:08:36 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 16:08:36 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
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Le 22/04/2021 ? 15:59, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit?:
> 
> El jue, 22 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 09:43, Beno?t Minisini 
> (g4mba5 at gmail.com <mailto:g4mba5 at gmail.com>) escribi?:
> 
>     Le 22/04/2021 ? 15:25, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit?:
>      > This change is based in your explanation...*since it is not
>     properly a
>      > library, the most similar in debian and alpine is what they call a
>      > metapackage, a package that ensures the exclusive environment for
>      > development and not the development environment.*
>     My explanation is clear: there is no "gambas3-dev" debian package
>     because that package would be void.
> 
> i mean that the -dev package still exist in winbuntu and ebian so your 
> packages must provide a transition on dist upgrades pufff is so hard to 
> explain?
> 
> you try to package? but do not read the debgian guidelines .. at leas do 
> you talking with debian packager?
> 
> i put the right text .. could you take in consideration at least?
> 

I can't decipher your pseudo-english. If someone can uncrypt what you 
say maybe I would understand what you are talking about.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 16:45:06 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 10:45:06 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
In-Reply-To: <893b1496-b930-fb39-fa39-1649844d9348@gmail.com>
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everybody in alpine group understan that paragraph.. but again the ppa
package are in very bad
shape, i put the solution.. use translation, i used and the test is the
same:

gambas-dev it is not properly a devel library package, the most similar in
some distributions (like debian and alpine) is what they call a
metapackage, a package that ensures the exclusive environment for
development and not the development environment

now understandable? use translator  puff

El jue, 22 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 10:09, Beno?t Minisini (g4mba5 at gmail.com)
escribi?:

> Le 22/04/2021 ? 15:59, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit :
> >
> > El jue, 22 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 09:43, Beno?t Minisini
> > (g4mba5 at gmail.com <mailto:g4mba5 at gmail.com>) escribi?:
> >
> >     Le 22/04/2021 ? 15:25, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit :
> >      > This change is based in your explanation...*since it is not
> >     properly a
> >      > library, the most similar in debian and alpine is what they call a
> >      > metapackage, a package that ensures the exclusive environment for
> >      > development and not the development environment.*
> >     My explanation is clear: there is no "gambas3-dev" debian package
> >     because that package would be void.
> >
> > i mean that the -dev package still exist in winbuntu and ebian so your
> > packages must provide a transition on dist upgrades pufff is so hard to
> > explain?
> >
> > you try to package  but do not read the debgian guidelines .. at leas do
> > you talking with debian packager?
> >
> > i put the right text .. could you take in consideration at least?
> >
>
> I can't decipher your pseudo-english. If someone can uncrypt what you
> say maybe I would understand what you are talking about.
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 17:07:26 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 11:07:26 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
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Fixed now:

gambas-dev it is not properly a devel library package, the most similar in
some distributions (like debian and alpine) is what they call a
metapackage, a package that ensures the exclusive environment for *BUILD*
and not the development environment

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com


El jue, 22 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 10:45, PICCORO McKAY Lenz (
mckaygerhard at gmail.com) escribi?:

> everybody in alpine group understan that paragraph.. but again the ppa
> package are in very bad
> shape, i put the solution.. use translation, i used and the test is the
> same:
>
> gambas-dev it is not properly a devel library package, the most similar in
> some distributions (like debian and alpine) is what they call a
> metapackage, a package that ensures the exclusive environment for
> development and not the development environment
>
> now understandable? use translator  puff
>
> El jue, 22 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 10:09, Beno?t Minisini (
> g4mba5 at gmail.com) escribi?:
>
>> Le 22/04/2021 ? 15:59, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit :
>> >
>> > El jue, 22 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 09:43, Beno?t Minisini
>> > (g4mba5 at gmail.com <mailto:g4mba5 at gmail.com>) escribi?:
>> >
>> >     Le 22/04/2021 ? 15:25, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit :
>> >      > This change is based in your explanation...*since it is not
>> >     properly a
>> >      > library, the most similar in debian and alpine is what they call
>> a
>> >      > metapackage, a package that ensures the exclusive environment for
>> >      > development and not the development environment.*
>> >     My explanation is clear: there is no "gambas3-dev" debian package
>> >     because that package would be void.
>> >
>> > i mean that the -dev package still exist in winbuntu and ebian so your
>> > packages must provide a transition on dist upgrades pufff is so hard to
>> > explain?
>> >
>> > you try to package  but do not read the debgian guidelines .. at leas
>> do
>> > you talking with debian packager?
>> >
>> > i put the right text .. could you take in consideration at least?
>> >
>>
>> I can't decipher your pseudo-english. If someone can uncrypt what you
>> say maybe I would understand what you are talking about.
>>
>> --
>> Beno?t Minisini
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>
>
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From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 17:34:11 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
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Le 22/04/2021 ? 16:45, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit?:
> everybody in alpine group understan that paragraph.. but again the ppa 
> package are in very bad
> shape, i put the solution.. use translation, i used and the test is the 
> same:
> 
> gambas-dev it is not properly a devel library package, the most similar 
> in some distributions (like debian and alpine) is what they call a 
> metapackage, a package that ensures the exclusive environment for 
> development and not the development environment
> 
> now understandable? use translator? puff
> 

I have read the thread on telegram you sent: 
https://t.me/alpine_linux_english/12716

Nobody really understand what you write, and because of your behaviour, 
Alpine managers blocked you on their mailing list because, I quote, "you 
kept ripping on people and it wasn't really helping".

If two differents groups of people that do not know each other tell you 
the same thing, maybe the problem is not them or us, but... you?

Doesn't it light anything in your mind?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 17:48:19 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 11:48:19 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
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thread is till in fire and is clear you dont follow.. i send the fixed
paragraph

* gambas-dev it is not properly a devel library package, and the right
package is gambas-devel, as the most similar in some distributions (like
debian and alpine) is what they call a metapackage, a package that ensures
the exclusive environment for development and not the development
environment*

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com


El jue, 22 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 11:35, Beno?t Minisini (g4mba5 at gmail.com)
escribi?:

> Le 22/04/2021 ? 16:45, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit :
> > everybody in alpine group understan that paragraph.. but again the ppa
> > package are in very bad
> > shape, i put the solution.. use translation, i used and the test is the
> > same:
> >
> > gambas-dev it is not properly a devel library package, the most similar
> > in some distributions (like debian and alpine) is what they call a
> > metapackage, a package that ensures the exclusive environment for
> > development and not the development environment
> >
> > now understandable? use translator  puff
> >
>
> I have read the thread on telegram you sent:
> https://t.me/alpine_linux_english/12716
>
> Nobody really understand what you write, and because of your behaviour,
> Alpine managers blocked you on their mailing list because, I quote, "you
> kept ripping on people and it wasn't really helping".
>
> If two differents groups of people that do not know each other tell you
> the same thing, maybe the problem is not them or us, but... you?
>
> Doesn't it light anything in your mind?
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From dosida at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 21:42:33 2021
From: dosida at gmail.com (Dimitris Anogiatis)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 13:42:33 -0600
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
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I don't get it. gambas3-dev was practically renamed and basically all that
changed is that 2 letters were added. What's the big deal?
In Debian -dev packages actually carry header files that can assist other
devels in incorporating the libraries or programs they're made for into
their own programs.

gambas3-dev (at least in 3.12.2-1 which is on Debian 10 Stable as of now)
has no such thing. it houses the compiler and othe utilities. No header
files. So it makes sense that it is renamed to something else that
distinguishes it from normal dev packages.

So what exactly is gained here by retaining the previous naming convention
(which is wrong) Piccoro?

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 9:49 AM PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>
wrote:

> thread is till in fire and is clear you dont follow.. i send the fixed
> paragraph
>
> * gambas-dev it is not properly a devel library package, and the right
> package is gambas-devel, as the most similar in some distributions (like
> debian and alpine) is what they call a metapackage, a package that ensures
> the exclusive environment for development and not the development
> environment*
>
> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>
>
> El jue, 22 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 11:35, Beno?t Minisini (
> g4mba5 at gmail.com) escribi?:
>
>> Le 22/04/2021 ? 16:45, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit :
>> > everybody in alpine group understan that paragraph.. but again the ppa
>> > package are in very bad
>> > shape, i put the solution.. use translation, i used and the test is the
>> > same:
>> >
>> > gambas-dev it is not properly a devel library package, the most similar
>> > in some distributions (like debian and alpine) is what they call a
>> > metapackage, a package that ensures the exclusive environment for
>> > development and not the development environment
>> >
>> > now understandable? use translator  puff
>> >
>>
>> I have read the thread on telegram you sent:
>> https://t.me/alpine_linux_english/12716
>>
>> Nobody really understand what you write, and because of your behaviour,
>> Alpine managers blocked you on their mailing list because, I quote, "you
>> kept ripping on people and it wasn't really helping".
>>
>> If two differents groups of people that do not know each other tell you
>> the same thing, maybe the problem is not them or us, but... you?
>>
>> Doesn't it light anything in your mind?
>>
>> --
>> Beno?t Minisini
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 23:37:26 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 17:37:26 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
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El jue, 22 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 15:43, Dimitris Anogiatis (
dosida at gmail.com) escribi?:

> So what exactly is gained here by retaining the previous naming convention
> (which is wrong) Piccoro?
>
gambas-dev is not need and is incorrect as benoit said.. cos there's no
shared libs for build or heaers files..

but also gambas-devel is also wrong cos gambas itselt is development
environment as qt is!


>
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 9:49 AM PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> thread is till in fire and is clear you dont follow.. i send the fixed
>> paragraph
>>
>> * gambas-dev it is not properly a devel library package, and the right
>> package is gambas-devel, as the most similar in some distributions (like
>> debian and alpine) is what they call a metapackage, a package that ensures
>> the exclusive environment for development and not the development
>> environment*
>>
>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>> El jue, 22 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 11:35, Beno?t Minisini (
>> g4mba5 at gmail.com) escribi?:
>>
>>> Le 22/04/2021 ? 16:45, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit :
>>> > everybody in alpine group understan that paragraph.. but again the ppa
>>> > package are in very bad
>>> > shape, i put the solution.. use translation, i used and the test is
>>> the
>>> > same:
>>> >
>>> > gambas-dev it is not properly a devel library package, the most
>>> similar
>>> > in some distributions (like debian and alpine) is what they call a
>>> > metapackage, a package that ensures the exclusive environment for
>>> > development and not the development environment
>>> >
>>> > now understandable? use translator  puff
>>> >
>>>
>>> I have read the thread on telegram you sent:
>>> https://t.me/alpine_linux_english/12716
>>>
>>> Nobody really understand what you write, and because of your behaviour,
>>> Alpine managers blocked you on their mailing list because, I quote, "you
>>> kept ripping on people and it wasn't really helping".
>>>
>>> If two differents groups of people that do not know each other tell you
>>> the same thing, maybe the problem is not them or us, but... you?
>>>
>>> Doesn't it light anything in your mind?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Beno?t Minisini
>>>
>>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>>
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 23:39:50 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 23:39:50 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
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Le 22/04/2021 ? 23:37, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit?:
> 
> El jue, 22 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 15:43, Dimitris Anogiatis 
> (dosida at gmail.com <mailto:dosida at gmail.com>) escribi?:
> 
>     So what exactly is gained here by retaining the previous naming
>     convention (which is wrong) Piccoro?
> 
> gambas-dev is not need and is incorrect as benoit said.. cos there's no 
> shared libs for build or heaers files..
> 
> but also gambas-devel is also wrong cos gambas itselt is development 
> environment as qt is!
> 

Why? Where is it forbidden to use 'gambas3-devel' as a package name?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 23:43:11 2021
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Bruce)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 07:13:11 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
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On 23/4/21 7:09 am, Beno?t Minisini wrote:
> Le 22/04/2021 ? 23:37, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit?:
>>
>> El jue, 22 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 15:43, Dimitris Anogiatis 
>> (dosida at gmail.com <mailto:dosida at gmail.com>) escribi?:
>>
>> ??? So what exactly is gained here by retaining the previous naming
>> ??? convention (which is wrong) Piccoro?
>>
>> gambas-dev is not need and is incorrect as benoit said.. cos there's 
>> no shared libs for build or heaers files..
>>
>> but also gambas-devel is also wrong cos gambas itselt is development 
>> environment as qt is!
>>
> 
> Why? Where is it forbidden to use 'gambas3-devel' as a package name?
> 
xxx-devel is used in RPM distros for header files.
b

From herberthguzman at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 23:46:19 2021
From: herberthguzman at gmail.com (Herberth Guzman)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 15:46:19 -0600
Subject: [Gambas-user] Packaging problems with X11 and Wayland
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Some distros use the suffix "dev" and others "devel", these packages means
that they are used to compile because they includes header/static files
like in C.

However in gambas placing "gambas-devel" would then conflict with the
packages in RPM based distros like fedora and centos, thus both packages
names would be wrong for many distros and their naming scheme rules.

Also we must provide transitional packages for upgrades ..

El jueves, 22 de abril de 2021, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> escribi?:

> Le 22/04/2021 ? 13:42, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
>
>> Le 22/04/2021 ? 03:55, Herberth Guzman a ?crit :
>>
>>> Hi
>>> Benoit please, maintain in sync with Debian ones, it seems is a pain
>>> when dist upgrades are made, and it seems you don't noted! he quality of
>>> the debian stability.
>>>
>>>
>> I will look at the Debian packages, as now there are maintained by
>> Bastian Germann.
>>
>> Note that the guy who maintained the Gambas PPA disappeared in the
>> hyper-space, so I'm learning how to make debian packages correctly steps by
>> steps.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
> If I notice that the Debian packages are correctly made (which was not the
> case in the past), then I will remove the Gambas stable PPA, and rename it
> as Gambas testing PPA, for testing the next stable version.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 23:48:57 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 17:48:57 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
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El jue, 22 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 17:44, Bruce (adamnt42 at gmail.com)
escribi?:

>
> xxx-devel is used in RPM distros for header files.
>

yes ! that's the reason! why BOTH are wrong names..



> b
>
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 23:50:54 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 23:50:54 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
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Le 22/04/2021 ? 23:43, Bruce a ?crit?:
> On 23/4/21 7:09 am, Beno?t Minisini wrote:
>> Le 22/04/2021 ? 23:37, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit?:
>>>
>>> El jue, 22 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 15:43, Dimitris Anogiatis 
>>> (dosida at gmail.com <mailto:dosida at gmail.com>) escribi?:
>>>
>>> ??? So what exactly is gained here by retaining the previous naming
>>> ??? convention (which is wrong) Piccoro?
>>>
>>> gambas-dev is not need and is incorrect as benoit said.. cos there's 
>>> no shared libs for build or heaers files..
>>>
>>> but also gambas-devel is also wrong cos gambas itselt is development 
>>> environment as qt is!
>>>
>>
>> Why? Where is it forbidden to use 'gambas3-devel' as a package name?
>>
> xxx-devel is used in RPM distros for header files.
> b
> 

OK, so it's a problem only in RPM-based distributions... Then they 
should use another name. I don't know what is the usual name in these 
distributions for the package of a language that includes its 
development tools...

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 23:51:48 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 23:51:48 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
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Le 22/04/2021 ? 23:50, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
> 
> OK, so it's a problem only in RPM-based distributions... Then they 
> should use another name. I don't know what is the usual name in these 
> distributions for the package of a language that includes its 
> development tools...
> 

...and don't tell me it ends with "-dev".

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 23:56:07 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 17:56:07 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
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El jue, 22 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 17:52, Beno?t Minisini (g4mba5 at gmail.com)
escribi?:

> Le 22/04/2021 ? 23:50, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
> >
> > OK, so it's a problem only in RPM-based distributions... Then they
> > should use another name. I don't know what is the usual name in these
> > distributions for the package of a language that includes its
> > development tools...
> >
>
> ...and don't tell me it ends with "-dev".
>

NO NO of course no! that's clear ?

your intention is a package that represents only the compiling tools, for
that it is called "devel-tools" or as it is done in the qt packages
gabmas3-dev-tools (in qt5 it is qtbase5-dev-tools)

this package must be set for build environments (by example auto builds)



>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 23:57:23 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 23:57:23 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
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Le 22/04/2021 ? 23:51, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
> Le 22/04/2021 ? 23:50, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
>>
>> OK, so it's a problem only in RPM-based distributions... Then they 
>> should use another name. I don't know what is the usual name in these 
>> distributions for the package of a language that includes its 
>> development tools...
>>
> 
> ...and don't tell me it ends with "-dev".
> 

I Mageia (a RPM-based distribution), they are using "gambas3-devel", and 
they don't seem to make a problem with it.

Maybe it's because they are French like me.

We are used to the nightmare of our delirious and expensive bureaucracy 
here.

Maybe it's why we don't anguish with an history of "-dev" vs. "-devel" 
package name?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 23:59:08 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 23:59:08 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
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Le 22/04/2021 ? 23:56, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit?:
> 
> El jue, 22 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 17:52, Beno?t Minisini 
> (g4mba5 at gmail.com <mailto:g4mba5 at gmail.com>) escribi?:
> 
>     Le 22/04/2021 ? 23:50, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
>      >
>      > OK, so it's a problem only in RPM-based distributions... Then they
>      > should use another name. I don't know what is the usual name in
>     these
>      > distributions for the package of a language that includes its
>      > development tools...
>      >
> 
>     ...and don't tell me it ends with "-dev".
> 
> 
> NO NO of course no! that's clear ?
> 
> your intention is a package that represents only the compiling tools, 
> for that it is called "devel-tools" or as it is done in the qt packages 
> gabmas3-dev-tools (in qt5 it is qtbase5-dev-tools)
> 
> this package must be set for build environments (by example auto builds)
> 

Why not "devel-tools"? But now I want to be sure that this is something 
standard, otherwise someone will complain for another distribution, and 
God knows how many of them they are.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Fri Apr 23 00:01:17 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 18:01:17 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
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El jue, 22 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 18:00, Beno?t Minisini (g4mba5 at gmail.com)
escribi?:

>
> Why not "devel-tools"? But now I want to be sure that this is something
> standard, otherwise someone will complain for another distribution, and
> God knows how many of them they are.
>

gambas3-devel-tools ? of course.. i just arges that cannot be gambas3-devel
neither gambas-dev


>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Fri Apr 23 00:09:27 2021
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 18:09:27 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
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On 4/22/21 5:59 PM, Beno?t Minisini wrote:
> Why not "devel-tools"? But now I want to be sure that this is something standard, otherwise someone will complain for another 
> distribution, and God?knows?how?many?of?them?they?are.

FWIW, there appears to be no standard on openSUSE. I just did a package search for "devel-tools" and "dev-tools". I got 
development tool results for both queries.

`zypper se devel-tools`
S | Name                  | Summary                                                   | Type
--+-----------------------+-----------------------------------------------------------+--------
   | v4l-utils-devel-tools | Utilities for v4l2 / DVB driver development and debugging | package

`zypper se dev-tools`
S | Name            | Summary                                                      | Type
--+-----------------+--------------------------------------------------------------+--------
   | libevdev-tools  | Library for handling evdev kernel devices                    | package
   | libsmdev-tools  | Utilities for reading storage media devices through libsmdev | package
   | xfce4-dev-tools | Xfce Development Tools                                       | package

It appears it's the developer's choice.


-- 
Lee

From tercoide at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 23 00:10:55 2021
From: tercoide at hotmail.com (martin cristia)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 19:10:55 -0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] AppImage
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1619128321.4923.user@lists.gambas-basic.org>
References: <mailman.1.1619128321.4923.user@lists.gambas-basic.org>
Message-ID: <DM6PR12MB39460036B16710C48BDB9A8EC8469@DM6PR12MB3946.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

All this mess with Gambas versions and exotic linux distros remains me 
the need for AppImages for our programs.

Was it made any progress on the mater?

PS:

I admire your patience, boss. =)



From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 23 01:19:53 2021
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Bruce)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 08:49:53 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
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On 23/4/21 7:27 am, Beno?t Minisini wrote:
> Le 22/04/2021 ? 23:51, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
>> Le 22/04/2021 ? 23:50, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
>>>
>>> OK, so it's a problem only in RPM-based distributions... Then they 
>>> should use another name. I don't know what is the usual name in these 
>>> distributions for the package of a language that includes its 
>>> development tools...
>>>
>>
>> ...and don't tell me it ends with "-dev".
>>
> 
> I Mageia (a RPM-based distribution), they are using "gambas3-devel", and 
> they don't seem to make a problem with it.
> 
> Maybe it's because they are French like me.
> 
> We are used to the nightmare of our delirious and expensive bureaucracy 
> here.
> 
> Maybe it's why we don't anguish with an history of "-dev" vs. "-devel" 
> package name?
> 
Indeed! They are after all, conventions only.
The only real need is that the package name in the distro is unique! You 
could call that package "gambas-on-toast" if you wanted to.
The only thing about insisting on using gambas-devel is that I would 
think it was an optional package containiing header files and thus think 
it was not needed.

"gambas-devtools" or whatever, suits me. It looks like something special 
and I would be reading the comments in the RPM file to find out more.
b


From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Fri Apr 23 03:46:23 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 21:46:23 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
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El jue, 22 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 18:11, T Lee Davidson (
t.lee.davidson at gmail.com) escribi?:

> On 4/22/21 5:59 PM, Beno?t Minisini wrote:
> FWIW, there appears to be no standard on openSUSE. I just did a package
> search for "devel-tools" and "dev-tools". I got
> development tool results for both queries.
>

open suse has sofware guidelines and packagin naming scheme :
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Shared_library_packaging_policy
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Package_naming_guidelines


>
> `zypper se devel-tools`
> S | Name                  | Summary
>            | Type
>
> --+-----------------------+-----------------------------------------------------------+--------
>    | v4l-utils-devel-tools | Utilities for v4l2 / DVB driver development
> and debugging | package
>
> `zypper se dev-tools`
> S | Name            | Summary
>         | Type
>
> --+-----------------+--------------------------------------------------------------+--------
>    | libevdev-tools  | Library for handling evdev kernel devices
>           | package
>    | libsmdev-tools  | Utilities for reading storage media devices through
> libsmdev | package
>    | xfce4-dev-tools | Xfce Development Tools
>          | package
>
> It appears it's the developer's choice.
>
>
> --
> Lee
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 23 14:38:40 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 14:38:40 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas PPA
Message-ID: <caa526e1-0958-0177-59ca-26944db556ab@gmail.com>

Hi,

The stable and daily PPA are now in a clean state with all packages 
available.

I added a 'gambas3-gui' virtual package as a dependency for all packages 
that need a GUI. This virtual package depends on one of the GUI toolit 
component (Qt4, Qt5, GTK+2 or GTK+3).

Both X11 & Wayland support packages are always installed with the 
component they support.

For example, if you install 'gambas3-gb-desktop', you will get 
'gambas3-gb-desktop-x11', even if you are using Wayland.

Now, the next job is renaming 'gambas3-devel' as 'gambas3-devel-tools', 
to prevent problems with RPMs-based distributions.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Fri Apr 23 14:44:22 2021
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 08:44:22 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
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On 4/22/21 7:19 PM, Bruce wrote:
> "gambas-devtools" or whatever, suits me. It looks like something special 
> and?I?would?be?reading?the?comments?in?the?RPM?file?to?find?out?more.

That's a naming format I didn't think of previously. So I did another search on openSUSE.

`zypper se devtools`
S | Name             | Summary                                     | Type
--+------------------+---------------------------------------------+--------
   | linuxrc-devtools | Tools to submit from Git to OBS via Jenkins | package
   | rpmdevtools      | RPM Development Tools                       | package
   | yast2-devtools   | YaST2 - Development Tools                   | package

So, yep, developers use that convention as well. And, the Summary clarifies it.

Personally, it doesn't much matter to me. Since the SPEC file indicates gambas3-devel is required, I know it's ... required. 
But, "*dev*tools" is more descriptive.


-- 
Lee

From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Fri Apr 23 14:57:31 2021
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 08:57:31 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
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On 4/22/21 9:46 PM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
> open suse has sofware?guidelines and packagin naming scheme :
> https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Shared_library_packaging_policy <https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Shared_library_packaging_policy>
> https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Package_naming_guidelines <https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Package_naming_guidelines>

The page regarding shared library naming is irrelevant.

The page on package naming guidelines has a single statement containing a "-devel" package name that is only an example in the 
"Multiple packages for the same software" section. There is nothing specifying that "-devel" packages should only be for header 
files (though that is a prevalent convention).


-- 
Lee

From jusabejusabe at gmail.com  Fri Apr 23 19:06:52 2021
From: jusabejusabe at gmail.com (Julio Sanchez)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 19:06:52 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] [gambas3.16]: Error: MovieBox.Path_Write.379
Message-ID: <CAFM-pnsnaA9DOzfnG8NyZGSKhOFrecZ0zHHaX9ZbMvUPpReVmw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello.

I have made an application to make cards, and with gambas 3.15 it worked
correctly.
But when installing gambas 3.16 and trying to use it from the gambas3 IDE,
it gives the following error:

gb.gui.base: MovieBox.Path is deprecated. Do not use it anymore.

Note: source code:
https://github.com/jsbsan/generadorcarnet/tree/master/generadorcarnet

And if I create an executable .gambas, in gambas 3.16, and the following
message appears:

[image: image.png]


Do you know why it can be?

Thanks

Julio Sanchez Berro
(jsbsan)


This is my system data:
[System]
Gambas=3.16
OperatingSystem=Linux
Kernel=5.4.0-58-generic
Architecture=x86_64
Distribution=Linux Mint 19.3 Tricia
Desktop=XFCE
Font=Ubuntu,10
Scale=7
Theme=xfce-basic
Language=es_ES.UTF-8
Memory=15945M

[Libraries]
Cairo=libcairo.so.2.11510.0
Curl=libcurl.so.4.5.0
DBus=libdbus-1.so.3.19.4
GDK2=libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.32
GDK3=libgdk-3.so.0.2200.30
GStreamer=libgstreamer-1.0.so.0.1405.0
GTK+2=libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.32
GTK+3=libgtk-3.so.0.2200.30
OpenGL=libGL.so.1.0.0
Poppler=libpoppler.so.73.0.0
QT4=libQtCore.so.4.8.7
QT5=libQt5Core.so.5.9.5
SDL=libSDL-1.2.so.0.11.4
SQLite=libsqlite3.so.0.8.6

[Environment]
CLUTTER_BACKEND=x11
DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:path=/run/user/1000/bus
DEFAULTS_PATH=/usr/share/gconf/xfce.default.path
DESKTOP_SESSION=xfce
DISPLAY=:0.0
EDITOR=/usr/bin/xed
GB_GUI=gb.gtk3
GDMSESSION=xfce
GDM_LANG=es_ES
GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge
HOME=<home>
LANG=es_ES.UTF-8
LANGUAGE=es_ES.UTF-8
LC_ALL=es_ES.UTF-8
LOGNAME=<user>
MANDATORY_PATH=/usr/share/gconf/xfce.mandatory.path
PANEL_GDK_CORE_DEVICE_EVENTS=0
PATH=<home>/.local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin:/opt/wine-stable/bin
PWD=<home>
QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1
QT_LOGGING_RULES=*.debug=false
QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=qt5ct
SESSION_MANAGER=local/<hostname>:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/1729,unix/<hostname>:/tmp/.ICE-unix/1729
SHELL=/bin/bash
SHLVL=0
SSH_AGENT_PID=1819
SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-Uar5CMffbUlC/agent.1729
TZ=:/etc/localtime
USER=<user>
XAUTHORITY=<home>/.Xauthority
XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/etc/xdg/xdg-xfce:/etc/xdg:/etc/xdg
XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=XFCE
XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/xfce4:<home>/.local/share/flatpak/exports/share:/var/lib/flatpak/exports/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share:/var/lib/snapd/desktop:/usr/share
XDG_GREETER_DATA_DIR=/var/lib/lightdm-data/<user>
XDG_MENU_PREFIX=xfce-
XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000
XDG_SEAT=seat0
XDG_SEAT_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Seat0
XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=xfce
XDG_SESSION_ID=c1
XDG_SESSION_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Session0
XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11
XDG_VTNR=7
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 23 21:03:46 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 20:03:46 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] [gambas3.16]: Error: MovieBox.Path_Write.379
In-Reply-To: <CAFM-pnsnaA9DOzfnG8NyZGSKhOFrecZ0zHHaX9ZbMvUPpReVmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFM-pnsnaA9DOzfnG8NyZGSKhOFrecZ0zHHaX9ZbMvUPpReVmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCA1PCsTReikQy=ZQP+Yz=6NoLBTArhbU3G5KyTZTk3zMg@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like Path has gone.
Now the Animation property must be used instead.

BruceS

On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 at 18:08, Julio Sanchez <jusabejusabe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello.
>
> I have made an application to make cards, and with gambas 3.15 it worked
> correctly.
> But when installing gambas 3.16 and trying to use it from the gambas3 IDE,
> it gives the following error:
>
> gb.gui.base: MovieBox.Path is deprecated. Do not use it anymore.
>
> Note: source code:
> https://github.com/jsbsan/generadorcarnet/tree/master/generadorcarnet
>
> And if I create an executable .gambas, in gambas 3.16, and the following
> message appears:
>
> [image: image.png]
>
>
> Do you know why it can be?
>
> Thanks
>
> Julio Sanchez Berro
> (jsbsan)
>
>
> This is my system data:
> [System]
> Gambas=3.16
> OperatingSystem=Linux
> Kernel=5.4.0-58-generic
> Architecture=x86_64
> Distribution=Linux Mint 19.3 Tricia
> Desktop=XFCE
> Font=Ubuntu,10
> Scale=7
> Theme=xfce-basic
> Language=es_ES.UTF-8
> Memory=15945M
>
> [Libraries]
> Cairo=libcairo.so.2.11510.0
> Curl=libcurl.so.4.5.0
> DBus=libdbus-1.so.3.19.4
> GDK2=libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.32
> GDK3=libgdk-3.so.0.2200.30
> GStreamer=libgstreamer-1.0.so.0.1405.0
> GTK+2=libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.32
> GTK+3=libgtk-3.so.0.2200.30
> OpenGL=libGL.so.1.0.0
> Poppler=libpoppler.so.73.0.0
> QT4=libQtCore.so.4.8.7
> QT5=libQt5Core.so.5.9.5
> SDL=libSDL-1.2.so.0.11.4
> SQLite=libsqlite3.so.0.8.6
>
> [Environment]
> CLUTTER_BACKEND=x11
> DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:path=/run/user/1000/bus
> DEFAULTS_PATH=/usr/share/gconf/xfce.default.path
> DESKTOP_SESSION=xfce
> DISPLAY=:0.0
> EDITOR=/usr/bin/xed
> GB_GUI=gb.gtk3
> GDMSESSION=xfce
> GDM_LANG=es_ES
> GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge
> HOME=<home>
> LANG=es_ES.UTF-8
> LANGUAGE=es_ES.UTF-8
> LC_ALL=es_ES.UTF-8
> LOGNAME=<user>
> MANDATORY_PATH=/usr/share/gconf/xfce.mandatory.path
> PANEL_GDK_CORE_DEVICE_EVENTS=0
>
> PATH=<home>/.local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin:/opt/wine-stable/bin
> PWD=<home>
> QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1
> QT_LOGGING_RULES=*.debug=false
> QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=qt5ct
>
> SESSION_MANAGER=local/<hostname>:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/1729,unix/<hostname>:/tmp/.ICE-unix/1729
> SHELL=/bin/bash
> SHLVL=0
> SSH_AGENT_PID=1819
> SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-Uar5CMffbUlC/agent.1729
> TZ=:/etc/localtime
> USER=<user>
> XAUTHORITY=<home>/.Xauthority
> XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/etc/xdg/xdg-xfce:/etc/xdg:/etc/xdg
> XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=XFCE
>
> XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/xfce4:<home>/.local/share/flatpak/exports/share:/var/lib/flatpak/exports/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share:/var/lib/snapd/desktop:/usr/share
> XDG_GREETER_DATA_DIR=/var/lib/lightdm-data/<user>
> XDG_MENU_PREFIX=xfce-
> XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000
> XDG_SEAT=seat0
> XDG_SEAT_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Seat0
> XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=xfce
> XDG_SESSION_ID=c1
> XDG_SESSION_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Session0
> XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11
> XDG_VTNR=7
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 17:13:01 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 11:13:01 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas in a container
In-Reply-To: <5c4347d8-ed12-2d81-d167-6904a91dbc6f@belmotek.net>
References: <5c4347d8-ed12-2d81-d167-6904a91dbc6f@belmotek.net>
Message-ID: <CALci+FRR2HdRacLGN6ybT2xJhWQ1_zZqkK7ps=wZy0QoXkoUYw@mail.gmail.com>

there's some discussions on alpine Russian group about running
X11 made applications.. https://t.me/alpine_linux_pycckuu/3051

before try this i am still packaging for alpine and well i will not have
this soon so if any thing you mae and find please post in gambas mail
list.. to check of course


El mi?, 21 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 15:34, Martin (mbelmonte at belmotek.net)
escribi?:

> Hi.
>
> Developing Gambas IDE and developing programs with Gambas, in practice,
> implies having two versions of the IDE and since they cannot coexist in the
> same system (correct me if I'm wrong) we must have a double system boot or
> have a virtual machine.
>
> But if it possible to use Gambas IDE through a LXC, Docker or something
> like that, which would involve less system resources, Would anyone have any
> tutorials or ideas?
>
> What do you think?
>
> Mart?n.
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From ivan-kern at freenet.de  Sat Apr 24 19:28:02 2021
From: ivan-kern at freenet.de (Ivan Kern)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 19:28:02 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Send data to the process
Message-ID: <e1b9021a-daed-44d8-e675-476d666861bd@freenet.de>

Hello.
I would like some help.
I have two gambas apps, for example,
app1.gambas and app2.gambas. I start app2 from app1 as a process.

myApp2Process = SHELL app2.gambas as "myApp2Process".

app2 runs in the background.
After that I can receive the feedback with:

Public Sub myApp2Process_Read()
.....
End

But what I need is also send the commands to app2 and get appropriate 
feedback. For example.
app2 "multiply 2x2" and get 4 as feedback. Can anyone give me a hint on 
how to do this in app2. A small example would be nice.

Regards

Ivan


From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 19:33:52 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 18:33:52 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Send data to the process
In-Reply-To: <e1b9021a-daed-44d8-e675-476d666861bd@freenet.de>
References: <e1b9021a-daed-44d8-e675-476d666861bd@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCDcL+KnkcLeDdo7PX3QsMO5dp_bDzzCy+vhVv-p0jfJLQ@mail.gmail.com>

You can either use a socket or a pipe file to achieve this.

i made a simple pipe example...
http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/app/simple-pipe

that application will react to anything echoed to the pipe file. (that your
other app can do with a Shell "echo 'some command or message'
>/my/pipe/path")

You should be able to get the idea of what's happening by reading the code.

Or like i say a socket can be used in the same way

BruceS

On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 at 18:29, Ivan Kern <ivan-kern at freenet.de> wrote:

> Hello.
> I would like some help.
> I have two gambas apps, for example,
> app1.gambas and app2.gambas. I start app2 from app1 as a process.
>
> myApp2Process = SHELL app2.gambas as "myApp2Process".
>
> app2 runs in the background.
> After that I can receive the feedback with:
>
> Public Sub myApp2Process_Read()
> .....
> End
>
> But what I need is also send the commands to app2 and get appropriate
> feedback. For example.
> app2 "multiply 2x2" and get 4 as feedback. Can anyone give me a hint on
> how to do this in app2. A small example would be nice.
>
> Regards
>
> Ivan
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 19:48:55 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 18:48:55 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Send data to the process
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCDcL+KnkcLeDdo7PX3QsMO5dp_bDzzCy+vhVv-p0jfJLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1b9021a-daed-44d8-e675-476d666861bd@freenet.de>
 <CABuQYCDcL+KnkcLeDdo7PX3QsMO5dp_bDzzCy+vhVv-p0jfJLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCA2O7nts2iYCONdGqKs1+TXSF_eUF6hj6i18BXN4vBuTw@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry i missed the bit about feedback.
for that you could make both apps have a pipe file and they can send and
receive data to each other
So App1 sends "multiply 2x2" to /tmp/App2_pipe
Shell "echo 'multiply 2x2' >/tmp/App2_pipe"

Then app2 send the result to app1
Shell "echo 'MultiplyResult=4' >/tmp/App1_pipe"



On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 at 18:33, Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com> wrote:

> You can either use a socket or a pipe file to achieve this.
>
> i made a simple pipe example...
> http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/app/simple-pipe
>
> that application will react to anything echoed to the pipe file. (that
> your other app can do with a Shell "echo 'some command or message'
> >/my/pipe/path")
>
> You should be able to get the idea of what's happening by reading the code.
>
> Or like i say a socket can be used in the same way
>
> BruceS
>
> On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 at 18:29, Ivan Kern <ivan-kern at freenet.de> wrote:
>
>> Hello.
>> I would like some help.
>> I have two gambas apps, for example,
>> app1.gambas and app2.gambas. I start app2 from app1 as a process.
>>
>> myApp2Process = SHELL app2.gambas as "myApp2Process".
>>
>> app2 runs in the background.
>> After that I can receive the feedback with:
>>
>> Public Sub myApp2Process_Read()
>> .....
>> End
>>
>> But what I need is also send the commands to app2 and get appropriate
>> feedback. For example.
>> app2 "multiply 2x2" and get 4 as feedback. Can anyone give me a hint on
>> how to do this in app2. A small example would be nice.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Ivan
>>
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>
>
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 19:58:23 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 18:58:23 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Send data to the process
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCA2O7nts2iYCONdGqKs1+TXSF_eUF6hj6i18BXN4vBuTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1b9021a-daed-44d8-e675-476d666861bd@freenet.de>
 <CABuQYCDcL+KnkcLeDdo7PX3QsMO5dp_bDzzCy+vhVv-p0jfJLQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABuQYCA2O7nts2iYCONdGqKs1+TXSF_eUF6hj6i18BXN4vBuTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCCzoX9c7rnADZ7176pjiDyTk9y=8VJGKVsFJUpQfLKyoA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear oh dear i should have read your first message properly to begin with
lol.

I see you have communication going one way just fine,
so all you need is for app2 to have a pipe file to watch then after app2
sends the message to app1 the app1 can then echo the result to the pipe
that app2 is watching.

Hope that makes sense
BruceS

On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 at 18:48, Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry i missed the bit about feedback.
> for that you could make both apps have a pipe file and they can send and
> receive data to each other
> So App1 sends "multiply 2x2" to /tmp/App2_pipe
> Shell "echo 'multiply 2x2' >/tmp/App2_pipe"
>
> Then app2 send the result to app1
> Shell "echo 'MultiplyResult=4' >/tmp/App1_pipe"
>
>
>
> On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 at 18:33, Bruce Steers <bsteers4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You can either use a socket or a pipe file to achieve this.
>>
>> i made a simple pipe example...
>> http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/app/simple-pipe
>>
>> that application will react to anything echoed to the pipe file. (that
>> your other app can do with a Shell "echo 'some command or message'
>> >/my/pipe/path")
>>
>> You should be able to get the idea of what's happening by reading the
>> code.
>>
>> Or like i say a socket can be used in the same way
>>
>> BruceS
>>
>> On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 at 18:29, Ivan Kern <ivan-kern at freenet.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello.
>>> I would like some help.
>>> I have two gambas apps, for example,
>>> app1.gambas and app2.gambas. I start app2 from app1 as a process.
>>>
>>> myApp2Process = SHELL app2.gambas as "myApp2Process".
>>>
>>> app2 runs in the background.
>>> After that I can receive the feedback with:
>>>
>>> Public Sub myApp2Process_Read()
>>> .....
>>> End
>>>
>>> But what I need is also send the commands to app2 and get appropriate
>>> feedback. For example.
>>> app2 "multiply 2x2" and get 4 as feedback. Can anyone give me a hint on
>>> how to do this in app2. A small example would be nice.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Ivan
>>>
>>>
>>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>>
>>
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 20:03:45 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 19:03:45 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Send data to the process
In-Reply-To: <e1b9021a-daed-44d8-e675-476d666861bd@freenet.de>
References: <e1b9021a-daed-44d8-e675-476d666861bd@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <CABuQYCAo9JOmSE+K8-7aHHt5Uc=y_tQSTUhLJ35WAbKnTKR0rw@mail.gmail.com>

There's probably a better way to do it simply using myApp2Process_Write()
but i don't know that way sorry.
Anyone else?


On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 at 18:29, Ivan Kern <ivan-kern at freenet.de> wrote:

> Hello.
> I would like some help.
> I have two gambas apps, for example,
> app1.gambas and app2.gambas. I start app2 from app1 as a process.
>
> myApp2Process = SHELL app2.gambas as "myApp2Process".
>
> app2 runs in the background.
> After that I can receive the feedback with:
>
> Public Sub myApp2Process_Read()
> .....
> End
>
> But what I need is also send the commands to app2 and get appropriate
> feedback. For example.
> app2 "multiply 2x2" and get 4 as feedback. Can anyone give me a hint on
> how to do this in app2. A small example would be nice.
>
> Regards
>
> Ivan
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 21:29:47 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 15:29:47 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Send data to the process
In-Reply-To: <CABuQYCAo9JOmSE+K8-7aHHt5Uc=y_tQSTUhLJ35WAbKnTKR0rw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1b9021a-daed-44d8-e675-476d666861bd@freenet.de>
 <CABuQYCAo9JOmSE+K8-7aHHt5Uc=y_tQSTUhLJ35WAbKnTKR0rw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALci+FRS8Ybuc6nKwxBT8mHtCtMhxftSqY3RfyBm1fu1_pa_1w@mail.gmail.com>

El s?b, 24 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 14:04, Bruce Steers (bsteers4 at gmail.com)
escribi?:

> There's probably a better way to do it simply using myApp2Process_Write()
> but i don't know that way sorry.
>

due the only case of one app to the bus-app the myApp2Process_Write() is
the fastest and most optimized way.. the most compatible is the socket for
multiple ones..

http://gambaswiki.org/edit/lang/exec



> Anyone else?
>
>
> On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 at 18:29, Ivan Kern <ivan-kern at freenet.de> wrote:
>
>> Hello.
>> I would like some help.
>> I have two gambas apps, for example,
>> app1.gambas and app2.gambas. I start app2 from app1 as a process.
>>
>> myApp2Process = SHELL app2.gambas as "myApp2Process".
>>
>> app2 runs in the background.
>> After that I can receive the feedback with:
>>
>> Public Sub myApp2Process_Read()
>> .....
>> End
>>
>> But what I need is also send the commands to app2 and get appropriate
>> feedback. For example.
>> app2 "multiply 2x2" and get 4 as feedback. Can anyone give me a hint on
>> how to do this in app2. A small example would be nice.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Ivan
>>
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 22:38:08 2021
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 22:38:08 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Send data to the process
In-Reply-To: <CALci+FRS8Ybuc6nKwxBT8mHtCtMhxftSqY3RfyBm1fu1_pa_1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1b9021a-daed-44d8-e675-476d666861bd@freenet.de>
 <CABuQYCAo9JOmSE+K8-7aHHt5Uc=y_tQSTUhLJ35WAbKnTKR0rw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAJ2rqFYHekgxR-QJp20afLSE6XAHrmkE3h1BsDPLJ24z3Z0qNg@mail.gmail.com>

Il giorno sab 24 apr 2021 alle ore 21:30 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
mckaygerhard at gmail.com> ha scritto:

> El s?b, 24 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 14:04, Bruce Steers (bsteers4 at gmail.com)
> escribi?:
>
>> There's probably a better way to do it simply using myApp2Process_Write()
>> but i don't know that way sorry.
>>
>
> due the only case of one app to the bus-app the myApp2Process_Write() is
> the fastest and most optimized way.. the most compatible is the socket for
> multiple ones..
>
> http://gambaswiki.org/edit/lang/exec
>
>
>
>> Anyone else?
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 at 18:29, Ivan Kern <ivan-kern at freenet.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello.
>>> I would like some help.
>>> I have two gambas apps, for example,
>>> app1.gambas and app2.gambas. I start app2 from app1 as a process.
>>>
>>> myApp2Process = SHELL app2.gambas as "myApp2Process".
>>>
>>> app2 runs in the background.
>>> After that I can receive the feedback with:
>>>
>>> Public Sub myApp2Process_Read()
>>> .....
>>> End
>>>
>>> But what I need is also send the commands to app2 and get appropriate
>>> feedback. For example.
>>> app2 "multiply 2x2" and get 4 as feedback. Can anyone give me a hint on
>>> how to do this in app2. A small example would be nice.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Ivan
>>>
>>
I'm not sure I understand your question.
If you try to make two Gambas applications communicate with each other I
would recommend you to use DBus, here you can find an example on the
Italian wiki:
https://www.gambas-it.org/wiki/index.php?title=Inviare_dati_da_un_programma_Gambas_ad_un_altro_mediante_le_risorse_del_Componente_DBus

More generally see:
https://www.gambas-it.org/wiki/index.php?title=Guide_della_comunit%C3%A0#Trasmissione_di_dati_fra_due_programmi_Gambas_o_fra_un_programma_esterno_ed_un_programma_Gambas

Regards
Gianluigi
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From dosida at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 02:42:13 2021
From: dosida at gmail.com (Dimitris Anogiatis)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 18:42:13 -0600
Subject: [Gambas-user] Send data to the process
In-Reply-To: <e1b9021a-daed-44d8-e675-476d666861bd@freenet.de>
References: <e1b9021a-daed-44d8-e675-476d666861bd@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <CACMvmEBwAkedY-yqajAKagfZHQ+Vedpwgwq4wNdoYFPi50z5rw@mail.gmail.com>

You could just try this:

Dim app2Result as String
SHELL "app2 2 multiply 2" to app2Result

Just make sure that app2 can parse the arguments passed to it, perform the
multiplication and then use PRINT to output the results. That's what will
go into app2Result

Hope this helps

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 11:29 AM Ivan Kern <ivan-kern at freenet.de> wrote:

> Hello.
> I would like some help.
> I have two gambas apps, for example,
> app1.gambas and app2.gambas. I start app2 from app1 as a process.
>
> myApp2Process = SHELL app2.gambas as "myApp2Process".
>
> app2 runs in the background.
> After that I can receive the feedback with:
>
> Public Sub myApp2Process_Read()
> .....
> End
>
> But what I need is also send the commands to app2 and get appropriate
> feedback. For example.
> app2 "multiply 2x2" and get 4 as feedback. Can anyone give me a hint on
> how to do this in app2. A small example would be nice.
>
> Regards
>
> Ivan
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Sun Apr 25 04:23:29 2021
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 19:23:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Send data to the process
In-Reply-To: <CACMvmEBwAkedY-yqajAKagfZHQ+Vedpwgwq4wNdoYFPi50z5rw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1b9021a-daed-44d8-e675-476d666861bd@freenet.de>
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Here is a short set that will return what you wrote 
background process: 
' Gambas module file 

Public AllDone As Boolean = False 

Public Sub Main() 
While Not AllDone 
Wait 0.01 
Wend 
Quit 0 
Catch 
Quit 0 
End 

Public Sub Application_read() 
Dim readline As String = "" 
While Lof(Last) 
readline &= Read #Last, -254 
Wend 
If readline == "quit" Then 
AllDone = True 
Else 
Print Eval(readline) 
Flush 
Endif 
Catch 
Print Error.Text 
Flush 
End 
******************************************************* 
The forground process: 

Public MyApp As Process 
Public Sub Main() 
Dim readline As String 
MyApp = Exec [User.Home &/ "bin/AppSendRecvBG.gambas"] For Input Output As "BgApp" 
While MyApp.state = Process.Running 
Line Input readline 
Print "Read :";; readline 
Print #MyApp, readline 
Flush #MyApp 
Wait 0.01 
Wend 
Quit 0 
End 

Public Sub BgApp_read() 

Dim readline As String 
readline = "" 
While Lof(Last) 
readline &= Read #Last, -254 
Wend 
Print readline 
End 
********************************************************* 

Hope this helps 

"Failure is the key to success; 
each mistake teaches us something" .. Morihei Ueshiba 
Brian G 

----- On Apr 24, 2021, at 5:42 PM, Dimitris Anogiatis <dosida at gmail.com> wrote: 

> You could just try this:

> Dim app2Result as String
> SHELL "app2 2 multiply 2" to app2Result

> Just make sure that app2 can parse the arguments passed to it, perform the
> multiplication and then use PRINT to output the results. That's what will go
> into app2Result

> Hope this helps

> On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 11:29 AM Ivan Kern < [ mailto:ivan-kern at freenet.de |
> ivan-kern at freenet.de ] > wrote:

>> Hello.
>> I would like some help.
>> I have two gambas apps, for example,
>> app1.gambas and app2.gambas. I start app2 from app1 as a process.

>> myApp2Process = SHELL app2.gambas as "myApp2Process".

>> app2 runs in the background.
>> After that I can receive the feedback with:

>> Public Sub myApp2Process_Read()
>> .....
>> End

>> But what I need is also send the commands to app2 and get appropriate
>> feedback. For example.
>> app2 "multiply 2x2" and get 4 as feedback. Can anyone give me a hint on
>> how to do this in app2. A small example would be nice.

>> Regards

>> Ivan

>> ----[ [ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette |
>> http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ] ]----

> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Sun Apr 25 04:41:19 2021
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 19:41:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Send data to the process
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For a simpler test you could use bc - An arbitrary precision calculator language 
Just substitute 

MyApp = Exec ["bc"] For Input Output As "BgApp" 

In the foreground process you don't need the background process ... math fun! 

"Failure is the key to success; 
each mistake teaches us something" .. Morihei Ueshiba 
Brian G 

----- On Apr 24, 2021, at 7:23 PM, Brian <brian at westwoodsvcs.com> wrote: 

> Here is a short set that will return what you wrote
> background process:
> ' Gambas module file

> Public AllDone As Boolean = False

> Public Sub Main()
> While Not AllDone
> Wait 0.01
> Wend
> Quit 0
> Catch
> Quit 0
> End

> Public Sub Application_read()
> Dim readline As String = ""
> While Lof(Last)
> readline &= Read #Last, -254
> Wend
> If readline == "quit" Then
> AllDone = True
> Else
> Print Eval(readline)
> Flush
> Endif
> Catch
> Print Error.Text
> Flush
> End
> *******************************************************
> The forground process:

> Public MyApp As Process
> Public Sub Main()
> Dim readline As String
> MyApp = Exec [User.Home &/ "bin/AppSendRecvBG.gambas"] For Input Output As
> "BgApp"
> While MyApp.state = Process.Running
> Line Input readline
> Print "Read :";; readline
> Print #MyApp, readline
> Flush #MyApp
> Wait 0.01
> Wend
> Quit 0
> End

> Public Sub BgApp_read()

> Dim readline As String
> readline = ""
> While Lof(Last)
> readline &= Read #Last, -254
> Wend
> Print readline
> End
> *********************************************************

> Hope this helps

> "Failure is the key to success;
> each mistake teaches us something" .. Morihei Ueshiba
> Brian G

> ----- On Apr 24, 2021, at 5:42 PM, Dimitris Anogiatis <dosida at gmail.com> wrote:

>> You could just try this:

>> Dim app2Result as String
>> SHELL "app2 2 multiply 2" to app2Result

>> Just make sure that app2 can parse the arguments passed to it, perform the
>> multiplication and then use PRINT to output the results. That's what will go
>> into app2Result

>> Hope this helps

>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 11:29 AM Ivan Kern < [ mailto:ivan-kern at freenet.de |
>> ivan-kern at freenet.de ] > wrote:

>>> Hello.
>>> I would like some help.
>>> I have two gambas apps, for example,
>>> app1.gambas and app2.gambas. I start app2 from app1 as a process.

>>> myApp2Process = SHELL app2.gambas as "myApp2Process".

>>> app2 runs in the background.
>>> After that I can receive the feedback with:

>>> Public Sub myApp2Process_Read()
>>> .....
>>> End

>>> But what I need is also send the commands to app2 and get appropriate
>>> feedback. For example.
>>> app2 "multiply 2x2" and get 4 as feedback. Can anyone give me a hint on
>>> how to do this in app2. A small example would be nice.

>>> Regards

>>> Ivan

>>> ----[ [ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette |
>>> http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ] ]----

>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From twopilots at interisland.net  Sun Apr 25 06:11:47 2021
From: twopilots at interisland.net (Ed & Clare Kelm)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 21:11:47 -0700
Subject: [Gambas-user] Issues related to Frame
In-Reply-To: <770816ba-968c-4710-fa6d-acc8ebada6ae@gmail.com>
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On 4/16/21 4:01 AM, Beno?t Minisini wrote:
> Le 16/04/2021 ? 12:51, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
>>>
>>> 2) The children controls of frame in gambas 3.16 have been pushed
>>> downwards. Thus the controls in bottom part of frame are not visible
>>> in older gambas qt5 applications (compiled in gambas 3.15) and we have
>>> to forced to rearrange the contents of all frames for new gambas
>>> version.
>>
>> Indeed. The bug was that you could put controls on the frame, which 
>> was not a good idea. But for backward-compatibility, I can do the 
>> same weird thing.
>>
>
> In commit 
> https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/-/commit/81ce4a63b28226a5e3c4d59cfd89f7bb180b4703, 
> I implemented an intermediate solution:
>
> - If Frame has no arrangement, then I do like before: the controls can 
> span the entire Frame area.
>
> - If Frame has arrangement, then I move controls down, to prevent them 
> covering the frame label.
>
> I hope it will be enough for you.
>
> Regards,
>
Bemoit:

I had the same problem with a QT4 project, and your new release fixed 
it.? Thanks!

However, another possibly related problem is that the allowed width for 
the frame label seems to have shrunk.

I have a frame title of "Configuration:" with a frame width =126

Before the change the title displayed properly.
After the change it is displayed as "Configurat..."

Any easy fix other than changing all my frame widths to fit the titles?

Thanks!

Ed K.






Title of frame before change:L? "Configuration:"? (Frame width = 126

From isafiur at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 07:11:03 2021
From: isafiur at gmail.com (Safiur Rahman)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 10:56:03 +0545
Subject: [Gambas-user] Enriching gb.web.gui
Message-ID: <CADKn0TKZr2nmhy6FMkb2Niy0Q0tsXpZf_DP-i4DEARU_yg8tJQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

I am so excited to know that Beno?t has started working on gb.web.gui.
Some controls very very essential are:
1) Value box
2) Rich Text Area
3) Tree view


-- 
Regards
Safiur Rahman

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 08:13:11 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 08:13:11 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Issues related to Frame
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Le 25/04/2021 ? 06:11, Ed & Clare Kelm a ?crit?:
> On 4/16/21 4:01 AM, Beno?t Minisini wrote:
>> Le 16/04/2021 ? 12:51, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
>>>>
>>>> 2) The children controls of frame in gambas 3.16 have been pushed
>>>> downwards. Thus the controls in bottom part of frame are not visible
>>>> in older gambas qt5 applications (compiled in gambas 3.15) and we have
>>>> to forced to rearrange the contents of all frames for new gambas
>>>> version.
>>>
>>> Indeed. The bug was that you could put controls on the frame, which 
>>> was not a good idea. But for backward-compatibility, I can do the 
>>> same weird thing.
>>>
>>
>> In commit 
>> https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/-/commit/81ce4a63b28226a5e3c4d59cfd89f7bb180b4703, 
>> I implemented an intermediate solution:
>>
>> - If Frame has no arrangement, then I do like before: the controls can 
>> span the entire Frame area.
>>
>> - If Frame has arrangement, then I move controls down, to prevent them 
>> covering the frame label.
>>
>> I hope it will be enough for you.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
> Bemoit:
> 
> I had the same problem with a QT4 project, and your new release fixed 
> it.? Thanks!
> 
> However, another possibly related problem is that the allowed width for 
> the frame label seems to have shrunk.
> 
> I have a frame title of "Configuration:" with a frame width =126
> 
> Before the change the title displayed properly.
> After the change it is displayed as "Configurat..."
> 
> Any easy fix other than changing all my frame widths to fit the titles?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Ed K.
> 

Nope, it's your fault: your GUI must not use fixed dimensions, otherwise 
changing the font size will break it anyway.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 08:14:02 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 08:14:02 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Enriching gb.web.gui
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Le 25/04/2021 ? 07:11, Safiur Rahman a ?crit?:
> 2) Rich Text Area

How do you do that?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 08:59:19 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 07:59:19 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Enriching gb.web.gui
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On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 at 07:17, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Le 25/04/2021 ? 07:11, Safiur Rahman a ?crit :
> > 2) Rich Text Area
>
> How do you do that?
>

Safiur , surely Richtext can just be printed to the page normally and will
render okay as it's a html page?
So all you really need is a frame or single cell table for a border and
bgcolor.

BruceS
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From isafiur at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 10:40:52 2021
From: isafiur at gmail.com (Safiur Rahman)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 14:25:52 +0545
Subject: [Gambas-user] Enriching gb.web.gui
In-Reply-To: <CADKn0TKZr2nmhy6FMkb2Niy0Q0tsXpZf_DP-i4DEARU_yg8tJQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADKn0TLXdfnPPDj2R9Eg8d4nW4cDOJQrhiA64t_mq4ivsoOU3w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi
I have not done those controls. I expect these controls appear very soon.

On Sun, 25 Apr 2021, 10:56 Safiur Rahman, <isafiur at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I am so excited to know that Beno?t has started working on gb.web.gui.
> Some controls very very essential are:
> 1) Value box
> 2) Rich Text Area
> 3) Tree view
>
>
> --
> Regards
> Safiur Rahman
>
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From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Sun Apr 25 20:06:33 2021
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 20:06:33 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] gb.gui.webview
Message-ID: <74358990-2b31-48af-4f56-7091bb955929@belmotek.net>

Hi.

Testing my apps in 3.16.

Before in gb.qt4 the WebView control has the property .HTML but now in 
.gtk3 and .qt5 is not present anymore.

Any help to solve the problem?

?How to pass the html code as parameter to the webview control?

Tanks.

Mart?n.


From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 20:11:49 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 20:11:49 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] gb.gui.webview
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References: <74358990-2b31-48af-4f56-7091bb955929@belmotek.net>
Message-ID: <7211c1f8-db90-48de-d1d6-8688c4d422ac@gmail.com>

Le 25/04/2021 ? 20:06, Martin a ?crit?:
> Hi.
> 
> Testing my apps in 3.16.
> 
> Before in gb.qt4 the WebView control has the property .HTML but now in 
> .gtk3 and .qt5 is not present anymore.
> 
> Any help to solve the problem?
> 
> ?How to pass the html code as parameter to the webview control?
> 
> Tanks.
> 
> Mart?n.
> 
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

You have to use the SetHtml() method.

You can't retrieve the contents of the page, this is why there is no 
Html property anymore.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Sun Apr 25 20:40:15 2021
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 20:40:15 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] gb.gui.webview
In-Reply-To: <7211c1f8-db90-48de-d1d6-8688c4d422ac@gmail.com>
References: <74358990-2b31-48af-4f56-7091bb955929@belmotek.net>
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ok, SetHtml() method is fine, but qt4 is not available SetHtml() so that 
is not retro compatible.

Solutions:

1) Include SetHtml() method in qt4.

2) Modify the code in programs as

If gambas.version < 3.16? then

Webview1.HTML = "the_HTML_Code"

else

Webview1.SetHtml("the_HTML_Code")

endif

But, ?How to check properly the gambas version?

Tanks.

El 25/4/21 a las 20:11, Beno?t Minisini escribi?:
> You have to use the SetHtml() method.
>
> You can't retrieve the contents of the page, this is why there is no 
> Html property anymore. 

From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 21:03:46 2021
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 15:03:46 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] gb.gui.webview
In-Reply-To: <6e1eee5b-a656-46cf-2f67-cded06513be9@belmotek.net>
References: <74358990-2b31-48af-4f56-7091bb955929@belmotek.net>
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Message-ID: <decdddd0-2029-ed74-8290-7fa58d9e1f9c@gmail.com>

On 4/25/21 2:40 PM, Martin wrote:
> But,??How?to?check?properly?the?gambas?version?

If CInt(Split(System.FullVersion, ".")[1]) < 16  then
   Webview1.HTML = "the_HTML_Code"
else
   Webview1.SetHtml("the_HTML_Code")
endif


-- 
Lee

From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Sun Apr 25 22:02:33 2021
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 22:02:33 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] gb.gui.webview
In-Reply-To: <decdddd0-2029-ed74-8290-7fa58d9e1f9c@gmail.com>
References: <74358990-2b31-48af-4f56-7091bb955929@belmotek.net>
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Message-ID: <c85afdd6-0df2-7f6a-0f86-75bdb8e138fa@belmotek.net>

An optimal solution, thanks for the help.

Regards.

El 25/4/21 a las 21:03, T Lee Davidson escribi?:
> On 4/25/21 2:40 PM, Martin wrote:
>> But,??How?to?check?properly?the?gambas?version?
>
> If CInt(Split(System.FullVersion, ".")[1]) < 16? then
> ? Webview1.HTML = "the_HTML_Code"
> else
> ? Webview1.SetHtml("the_HTML_Code")
> endif
>
>

From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Sun Apr 25 22:04:54 2021
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 22:04:54 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] 3.16 - Error on "Print"
Message-ID: <1a2f5663-be3f-7b16-9047-d795a337c8da@belmotek.net>

Hi.

I try to print the code but gambas IDE crash.

Regards.


From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 22:06:39 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 22:06:39 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] gb.gui.webview
In-Reply-To: <6e1eee5b-a656-46cf-2f67-cded06513be9@belmotek.net>
References: <74358990-2b31-48af-4f56-7091bb955929@belmotek.net>
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Le 25/04/2021 ? 20:40, Martin a ?crit?:
> ok, SetHtml() method is fine, but qt4 is not available SetHtml() so that 
> is not retro compatible.
> 
> Solutions:
> 
> 1) Include SetHtml() method in qt4.
> 
> 2) Modify the code in programs as
> 
> If gambas.version < 3.16? then
> 
> Webview1.HTML = "the_HTML_Code"
> 
> else
> 
> Webview1.SetHtml("the_HTML_Code")
> 
> endif
> 
> But, ?How to check properly the gambas version?
> 
> Tanks.
> 

It's because you shifted from "*.webkit" component to "*.webview" 
component. The old WebView is still available in the "*.webkit" 
components with the same interface as before.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 22:36:24 2021
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 16:36:24 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] gb.gui.webview
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Message-ID: <df714725-f9f1-98ae-a7bb-cb4511017d9e@gmail.com>

On 4/25/21 4:02 PM, Martin wrote:
> An optimal solution, thanks for the help.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> El 25/4/21 a las 21:03, T Lee Davidson escribi?:
>> On 4/25/21 2:40 PM, Martin wrote:
>>> But,??How?to?check?properly?the?gambas?version?
>>
>> If CInt(Split(System.FullVersion, ".")[1]) < 16? then
>> ? Webview1.HTML = "the_HTML_Code"
>> else
>> ? Webview1.SetHtml("the_HTML_Code")
>> endif
>>
>>
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

I had forgotten that Gambas is quite adept at making comparisons on strings based on natural number sorting. You could also do:
System.FullVersion < "3.16.0"


-- 
Lee

From tobs at taboege.de  Sun Apr 25 22:54:38 2021
From: tobs at taboege.de (Tobias Boege)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 22:54:38 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] gb.gui.webview
In-Reply-To: <df714725-f9f1-98ae-a7bb-cb4511017d9e@gmail.com>
References: <74358990-2b31-48af-4f56-7091bb955929@belmotek.net>
 <7211c1f8-db90-48de-d1d6-8688c4d422ac@gmail.com>
 <6e1eee5b-a656-46cf-2f67-cded06513be9@belmotek.net>
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Message-ID: <20210425205438.GA3027224@highrise.localdomain>

On Sun, 25 Apr 2021, T Lee Davidson wrote:
> On 4/25/21 4:02 PM, Martin wrote:
> > An optimal solution, thanks for the help.
> > 
> > Regards.
> > 
> > El 25/4/21 a las 21:03, T Lee Davidson escribi?:
> > > On 4/25/21 2:40 PM, Martin wrote:
> > > > But,??How?to?check?properly?the?gambas?version?
> > > 
> > > If CInt(Split(System.FullVersion, ".")[1]) < 16? then
> > > ? Webview1.HTML = "the_HTML_Code"
> > > else
> > > ? Webview1.SetHtml("the_HTML_Code")
> > > endif
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> 
> I had forgotten that Gambas is quite adept at making comparisons on strings based on natural number sorting. You could also do:
> System.FullVersion < "3.16.0"
> 

This might be good enough but it's not "good" in absolute terms.
The < operator doesn't recognize embedded versions and compare them
correctly. While with recent versions

  "3.10.0" < "3.16.0" = True,

you also have

  "3.2.0" < "3.16.0" = False,  or
  "3.100.0" < "3.16.0" = True.

In fact, when you compare strings, I don't think there is any implicit
conversion or special treatment of numbers happening: try "010" < "1",
which returns True.

So, you didn't forget. It really doesn't work.

Best,
Tobias

-- 
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 23:35:53 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 23:35:53 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] gb.gui.webview
In-Reply-To: <20210425205438.GA3027224@highrise.localdomain>
References: <74358990-2b31-48af-4f56-7091bb955929@belmotek.net>
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 <6e1eee5b-a656-46cf-2f67-cded06513be9@belmotek.net>
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Le 25/04/2021 ? 22:54, Tobias Boege a ?crit?:
> On Sun, 25 Apr 2021, T Lee Davidson wrote:
>> On 4/25/21 4:02 PM, Martin wrote:
>>> An optimal solution, thanks for the help.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> El 25/4/21 a las 21:03, T Lee Davidson escribi?:
>>>> On 4/25/21 2:40 PM, Martin wrote:
>>>>> But,??How?to?check?properly?the?gambas?version?
>>>>
>>>> If CInt(Split(System.FullVersion, ".")[1]) < 16? then
>>>>  ? Webview1.HTML = "the_HTML_Code"
>>>> else
>>>>  ? Webview1.SetHtml("the_HTML_Code")
>>>> endif
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>
>> I had forgotten that Gambas is quite adept at making comparisons on strings based on natural number sorting. You could also do:
>> System.FullVersion < "3.16.0"
>>
> 
> This might be good enough but it's not "good" in absolute terms.
> The < operator doesn't recognize embedded versions and compare them
> correctly. While with recent versions
> 
>    "3.10.0" < "3.16.0" = True,
> 
> you also have
> 
>    "3.2.0" < "3.16.0" = False,  or
>    "3.100.0" < "3.16.0" = True.
> 
> In fact, when you compare strings, I don't think there is any implicit
> conversion or special treatment of numbers happening: try "010" < "1",
> which returns True.
> 
> So, you didn't forget. It really doesn't work.
> 
> Best,
> Tobias
> 

If you want to convert versions, you must use:

Comp(Version1, Version2, gb.Natural)

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 23:58:33 2021
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:58:33 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] gb.gui.webview
In-Reply-To: <20210425205438.GA3027224@highrise.localdomain>
References: <74358990-2b31-48af-4f56-7091bb955929@belmotek.net>
 <7211c1f8-db90-48de-d1d6-8688c4d422ac@gmail.com>
 <6e1eee5b-a656-46cf-2f67-cded06513be9@belmotek.net>
 <decdddd0-2029-ed74-8290-7fa58d9e1f9c@gmail.com>
 <c85afdd6-0df2-7f6a-0f86-75bdb8e138fa@belmotek.net>
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On 4/25/21 4:54 PM, Tobias Boege wrote:
> This might be good enough but it's not "good" in absolute terms.
> The < operator doesn't recognize embedded versions and compare them
> correctly. While with recent versions
> 
>    "3.10.0" < "3.16.0" = True,
> 
> you also have
> 
>    "3.2.0" < "3.16.0" = False,  or
>    "3.100.0" < "3.16.0" = True.
> 
> In fact, when you compare strings, I don't think there is any implicit
> conversion or special treatment of numbers happening: try "010" < "1",
> which returns True.
> 
> So, you didn't forget. It really doesn't work.
> 
> Best,
> Tobias

Well shoot, Tobi. You blew that right out of the water, lol. I did very minimal testing. Thank you for the correction.


On 4/25/21 5:35 PM, Beno?t Minisini wrote:
> If you want to convert versions, you must use:
> 
> Comp(Version1, Version2, gb.Natural)

So then the comparison for this particular case would be:

If Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.16.0", gb.Natural) < 0 Then ...


-- 
Lee

From dickson.tim at googlemail.com  Mon Apr 26 00:03:13 2021
From: dickson.tim at googlemail.com (Tim Dickson)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 23:03:13 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
In-Reply-To: <8b58ab3d-1c85-5aef-5992-072b485b2662@gmail.com>
References: <CALci+FQvW+=0Sd6vL9LdzeA51B0zLkTDqw4_556YPNDQi94+mA@mail.gmail.com>
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At least with Slackware, gambas is not split into lots of little 
packages. There is one package only; gambas3 :-)
no dev/devel complications. No worries there for component package 
names, as there are none.

On 23/04/2021 13:44, T Lee Davidson wrote:
> On 4/22/21 7:19 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> "gambas-devtools" or whatever, suits me. It looks like something 
>> special 
>> and?I?would?be?reading?the?comments?in?the?RPM?file?to?find?out?more.
>
> That's a naming format I didn't think of previously. So I did another 
> search on openSUSE.
>
> `zypper se devtools`
> S | Name???????????? | Summary | Type
> --+------------------+---------------------------------------------+-------- 
>
> ? | linuxrc-devtools | Tools to submit from Git to OBS via Jenkins | 
> package
> ? | rpmdevtools????? | RPM Development Tools | package
> ? | yast2-devtools?? | YaST2 - Development Tools | package
>
> So, yep, developers use that convention as well. And, the Summary 
> clarifies it.
>
> Personally, it doesn't much matter to me. Since the SPEC file 
> indicates gambas3-devel is required, I know it's ... required. But, 
> "*dev*tools" is more descriptive.
>
>


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From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Mon Apr 26 00:20:49 2021
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 00:20:49 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] gb.gui.webview
In-Reply-To: <922661d3-d4c3-2b1b-031a-809810acf11e@gmail.com>
References: <74358990-2b31-48af-4f56-7091bb955929@belmotek.net>
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Message-ID: <63b33a32-48c2-dd25-b0d5-4fb84579275c@belmotek.net>

Hi.

After testing with the version detection and that this method is not 
accurate, I decided to use another more precise method using the symbols 
of the classes, in this case webview.

 ??????? xClass = Classes["WebView"]

 ??????? If xClass.Exist("HTML") Then
 ????????? WebView1.HTML = "The_HTML_Code"
 ??????? Else
 ????????? If xClass.Exist("SetHtml") Then
 ??????????? WebView1.SetHtml("The_HTML_Code")
 ????????? Endif
 ??????? Endif

Regards.


From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 01:45:25 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 00:45:25 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] gb.gui.webview
In-Reply-To: <63b33a32-48c2-dd25-b0d5-4fb84579275c@belmotek.net>
References: <74358990-2b31-48af-4f56-7091bb955929@belmotek.net>
 <7211c1f8-db90-48de-d1d6-8688c4d422ac@gmail.com>
 <6e1eee5b-a656-46cf-2f67-cded06513be9@belmotek.net>
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Message-ID: <CABuQYCCdmNQ+83gvYf8Zjg2jObYNm25oPfQQ3yogFSD0U7q-YA@mail.gmail.com>

you could probably simply use Try...

Try WebView1.HTML = "The_HTML_Code"
If Error Then WebView1.SetHtml("The_HTML_Code")

that would probably work
BruceS

On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 at 23:21, Martin <mbelmonte at belmotek.net> wrote:

> Hi.
>
> After testing with the version detection and that this method is not
> accurate, I decided to use another more precise method using the symbols
> of the classes, in this case webview.
>
>          xClass = Classes["WebView"]
>
>          If xClass.Exist("HTML") Then
>            WebView1.HTML = "The_HTML_Code"
>          Else
>            If xClass.Exist("SetHtml") Then
>              WebView1.SetHtml("The_HTML_Code")
>            Endif
>          Endif
>
> Regards.
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From dosida at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 05:34:16 2021
From: dosida at gmail.com (Dimitris Anogiatis)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 21:34:16 -0600
Subject: [Gambas-user] gb.gui.webview
In-Reply-To: <7211c1f8-db90-48de-d1d6-8688c4d422ac@gmail.com>
References: <74358990-2b31-48af-4f56-7091bb955929@belmotek.net>
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Benoit,

Would it be possible to get the page contents by using a javascript command
like: "document.body.innerHTML;" through the ExecJaascript method in
gb.qt5.webview?

I know there's no GetHTML() method but given that we have the capability of
executing javascript can we not get the innerHTML results for example of
what is displayed in the Webview?

Dimitris

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 12:12 PM Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Le 25/04/2021 ? 20:06, Martin a ?crit :
> > Hi.
> >
> > Testing my apps in 3.16.
> >
> > Before in gb.qt4 the WebView control has the property .HTML but now in
> > .gtk3 and .qt5 is not present anymore.
> >
> > Any help to solve the problem?
> >
> > ?How to pass the html code as parameter to the webview control?
> >
> > Tanks.
> >
> > Mart?n.
> >
> >
> > ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
> You have to use the SetHtml() method.
>
> You can't retrieve the contents of the page, this is why there is no
> Html property anymore.
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From ivan-kern at freenet.de  Mon Apr 26 09:02:46 2021
From: ivan-kern at freenet.de (Ivan Kern)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:02:46 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Send data to the process
Message-ID: <8fbf06f6-bc2a-2da8-e917-2f7734c33364@freenet.de>

Thank you, you have helped me a lot.

Regards

Ivan


From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Mon Apr 26 09:55:18 2021
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:55:18 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic translation fails
Message-ID: <13cecad2-c378-7da8-0068-df81d40a45d1@belmotek.net>

Hi.

Automatic translation (translate-shell) is awesome as it allows you to 
translate the application at once. But at some point this fails without 
giving details of why it does it. Only a sign appears saying "Automatic 
translation has failed".
Any ideas about it?

In same project I have used two versions of gambas 3.15.2 and 3.16In 
both I have used several translation engines, google, bing, 
apertium.Everything fails at a certain point.Any ideas about it?

Regards

Mart?n.

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From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Mon Apr 26 10:42:47 2021
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 10:42:47 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] An idea for translation.
Message-ID: <af5383ea-21dd-3da7-52f5-28e318c6f469@belmotek.net>

Hi.
If, for example, I translate from English to Spanish, "Phone" as 
"Tel?fono" in an application, does it make sense that in the next 
application it translates the same thing?
Translation pairs should be able to be registered in some way as this 
information is valuable and does not need to be translated again.

Regards.

Mart?n.


From mike.crean at y7mail.com  Mon Apr 26 11:52:03 2021
From: mike.crean at y7mail.com (Mike Crean)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:52:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Rpi and Arduino
References: <494301253.1116071.1619430723422.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <494301253.1116071.1619430723422@mail.yahoo.com>

I have a WEB site up and running on a Raspberry Pi 4 it has a few Gambas, Arduino and Raspberry Pi projectsand other stuff for the experimenter. The address is mikecrean.ddns.net
Best RegardsMike



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From way at gmx.li  Mon Apr 26 12:35:34 2021
From: way at gmx.li (Weg)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 12:35:34 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Execute Ajax in Webview
Message-ID: <1d6af962-22b9-7dda-3551-dd588cc4dde6@gmx.li>


Hello

I want the Webview to execute all Ajax Requests that comes with
Javascript on the loadet Page.
By default, that isnt.
Someone know haw that is possible.

Thanks Tom


From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 13:39:54 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 13:39:54 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] gb.gui.webview
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Le 26/04/2021 ? 05:34, Dimitris Anogiatis a ?crit?:
> Benoit,
> 
> Would it be possible to get the page contents by using a javascript 
> command like: "document.body.innerHTML;" through the ExecJaascript 
> method in gb.qt5.webview?

Yes.

I didn't make an HTML property because now the underlying method is 
asynchronous.

But i could do the same thing as ExecJavascript method(), i.e. wait for 
the completion of the asynchronous method.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 13:41:42 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 13:41:42 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Automatic translation fails
In-Reply-To: <13cecad2-c378-7da8-0068-df81d40a45d1@belmotek.net>
References: <13cecad2-c378-7da8-0068-df81d40a45d1@belmotek.net>
Message-ID: <55091264-68c0-269f-8089-0f05cd24064f@gmail.com>

Le 26/04/2021 ? 09:55, Martin a ?crit?:
> Hi.
> 
> Automatic translation (translate-shell) is awesome as it allows you to 
> translate the application at once. But at some point this fails without 
> giving details of why it does it. Only a sign appears saying "Automatic 
> translation has failed".
> Any ideas about it?
> 
> In same project I have used two versions of gambas 3.15.2 and 3.16In 
> both I have used several translation engines, google, bing, 
> apertium.Everything fails at a certain point.Any ideas about it?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Mart?n.
> 

If you use these services too much, you become black-listed, and the 
service does not answer anymore without telling you that you are 
black-listed.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 14:24:57 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 08:24:57 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Rpi and Arduino
In-Reply-To: <494301253.1116071.1619430723422@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <494301253.1116071.1619430723422.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <494301253.1116071.1619430723422@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CALci+FRxMuEvDkX4XzFTPus7Zia7A_zQ2QZGr6h2tKXLHV8gcg@mail.gmail.com>

i already visited some times that p?ge.. GREAT! made!

i posted some years ago that page here and in other forums now death..

big one projects.. i dont remenber if in those days were open .. but in any
case great job!

posted in the telegram venenux and open tech groups!

El lun, 26 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 05:53, Mike Crean via User (
user at lists.gambas-basic.org) escribi?:

> I have a WEB site up and running on a Raspberry Pi 4 it has a few Gambas,
> Arduino and Raspberry Pi projects
> and other stuff for the experimenter. The address is mikecrean.ddns.net
>
> Best Regards
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 15:14:29 2021
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:14:29 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] An idea for translation.
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On 4/26/21 4:42 AM, Martin wrote:
> Hi.
> If, for example, I translate from English to Spanish, "Phone" as "Tel?fono" in an application, does it make sense that in the 
> next application it translates the same thing?
> Translation pairs should be able to be registered in some way as this information is valuable and does not need to be translated 
> again.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Mart?n.

Perhaps PO files could be re-used by copying them into the .lang directory of the new project?


-- 
Lee

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 16:02:32 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 16:02:32 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] An idea for translation.
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Le 26/04/2021 ? 15:14, T Lee Davidson a ?crit?:
> On 4/26/21 4:42 AM, Martin wrote:
>> Hi.
>> If, for example, I translate from English to Spanish, "Phone" as 
>> "Tel?fono" in an application, does it make sense that in the next 
>> application it translates the same thing?
>> Translation pairs should be able to be registered in some way as this 
>> information is valuable and does not need to be translated again.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Mart?n.
> 
> Perhaps PO files could be re-used by copying them into the .lang 
> directory of the new project?
> 
> 

In the translation dialog, you can also import translation from other PO 
files.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 16:20:37 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 10:20:37 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
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El dom, 25 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 18:04, Tim Dickson via User (
user at lists.gambas-basic.org) escribi?:

> no dev/devel complications. No worries there for component package
> names, as there are none.
>
slpit is for security and slim, deploys need only nedded things ,,by
example gambas webs.. dont need x11 modules neither wayland ones


>
> On 23/04/2021 13:44, T Lee Davidson wrote:
> > On 4/22/21 7:19 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >> "gambas-devtools" or whatever, suits me. It looks like something
> >> special
> >> and I would be reading the comments in the RPM file to find out more.
> >
> > That's a naming format I didn't think of previously. So I did another
> > search on openSUSE.
> >
> > `zypper se devtools`
> > S | Name             | Summary | Type
> >
> --+------------------+---------------------------------------------+--------
>
> >
> >   | linuxrc-devtools | Tools to submit from Git to OBS via Jenkins |
> > package
> >   | rpmdevtools      | RPM Development Tools | package
> >   | yast2-devtools   | YaST2 - Development Tools | package
> >
> > So, yep, developers use that convention as well. And, the Summary
> > clarifies it.
> >
> > Personally, it doesn't much matter to me. Since the SPEC file
> > indicates gambas3-devel is required, I know it's ... required. But,
> > "*dev*tools" is more descriptive.
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
> https://www.avg.com
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>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 18:46:33 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 18:46:33 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
Message-ID: <500b3f2d-e642-7bb0-2a15-cf779b4a1765@gmail.com>

Hi,

New packages for 3.16.0 are avaibable on the stable PPA.

They fix missing dependencies in the 'gambas3-ide' package, and replace 
the 'gambas3-devel' package by the 'gambas3-dev-tools' package.

Please report any problem after upgrade or installation!

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From hans at gambas-buch.de  Mon Apr 26 19:33:33 2021
From: hans at gambas-buch.de (Hans Lehmann)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 19:33:33 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 20:47:53 2021
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 20:47:53 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
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Le 26/04/2021 ? 19:33, Hans Lehmann a ?crit?:
> Am 26.04.21 um 18:46 schrieb Beno?t Minisini:
>> Please report any problem after upgrade or installation!
> 
> Hello,
> 
> there was an error during the installation and so Gambas is no longer 
> usable. Too bad.
> 
> With kind regards
> 
> Hans
> 
> 
> 
> The window cannot be closed via [x], but with 'OK'.
> 
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> 

I guess you have to install "gambas-dev-tools" explicitly to fix the 
problem. But normally it should have been installed by the upgrade...

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 20:51:31 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 20:51:31 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
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Le 26/04/2021 ? 19:33, Hans Lehmann a ?crit?:
> Am 26.04.21 um 18:46 schrieb Beno?t Minisini:
>> Please report any problem after upgrade or installation!
> 
> Hello,
> 
> there was an error during the installation and so Gambas is no longer 
> usable. Too bad.
> 
> With kind regards
> 
> Hans
> 
> 
> 
> The window cannot be closed via [x], but with 'OK'.
> 

Can you tell exactly what was installed, and how you did the upgrade?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 02:13:06 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 01:13:06 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
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somebody on the gambas-one forum just had the same problem.
They fixed it by installing gambas-dev-tools manually

https://forum.gambas.one/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1096

BruceS

On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 at 19:52, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Le 26/04/2021 ? 19:33, Hans Lehmann a ?crit :
> > Am 26.04.21 um 18:46 schrieb Beno?t Minisini:
> >> Please report any problem after upgrade or installation!
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > there was an error during the installation and so Gambas is no longer
> > usable. Too bad.
> >
> > With kind regards
> >
> > Hans
> >
> >
> >
> > The window cannot be closed via [x], but with 'OK'.
> >
>
> Can you tell exactly what was installed, and how you did the upgrade?
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 09:29:37 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 09:29:37 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
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Le 27/04/2021 ? 02:13, Bruce Steers a ?crit?:
> somebody on the gambas-one forum just had the same problem.
> They fixed it by installing gambas-dev-tools manually
> 
> https://forum.gambas.one/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1096 
> <https://forum.gambas.one/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1096>
> 
> BruceS
> 

Normally updating should install gambas3-dev-tools automatically. 
Apparently it does not work. I must have made a mistake somewhere, even 
if I have no idea where. All packages that were depending on 
'gambas3-devel' now depends on 'gambas3-dev-tools', and 'gambas3-devel' 
is now a transitional void package. So why the update does not install 
it and remove 'gambas3-devel'?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From hans at gambas-buch.de  Tue Apr 27 09:34:48 2021
From: hans at gambas-buch.de (Hans Lehmann)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 09:34:48 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 11:15:26 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 10:15:26 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 at 08:30, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Le 27/04/2021 ? 02:13, Bruce Steers a ?crit :
> > somebody on the gambas-one forum just had the same problem.
> > They fixed it by installing gambas-dev-tools manually
> >
> > https://forum.gambas.one/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1096
> > <https://forum.gambas.one/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1096>
> >
> > BruceS
> >
>
> Normally updating should install gambas3-dev-tools automatically.
> Apparently it does not work. I must have made a mistake somewhere, even
> if I have no idea where. All packages that were depending on
> 'gambas3-devel' now depends on 'gambas3-dev-tools', and 'gambas3-devel'
> is now a transitional void package. So why the update does not install
> it and remove 'gambas3-devel'?
>

The only clue i have is this statement..
"Error during the install, something about the same item being in tools and
devel.
I try opening a project and "CLibraryInfo._new.112 File or directory does
not exist.""

It seems Steve tried manually removing gambas3-devel but a re-install did
not install gambas3-dev-tools after that.
Sorry i cannot help more.
BruceS
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From criguada at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 11:16:21 2021
From: criguada at gmail.com (Cristiano Guadagnino)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 11:16:21 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
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Here (openSuse) the update removed gambas3-devel, but it did not install
gambas3-dev-tools.
Having followed the discussion, I installed gambas3-dev-tool myself, but
not everybody would know it.

Cris

Il giorno mar 27 apr 2021 alle ore 09:30 Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com>
ha scritto:

> Le 27/04/2021 ? 02:13, Bruce Steers a ?crit :
> > somebody on the gambas-one forum just had the same problem.
> > They fixed it by installing gambas-dev-tools manually
> >
> > https://forum.gambas.one/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1096
> > <https://forum.gambas.one/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1096>
> >
> > BruceS
> >
>
> Normally updating should install gambas3-dev-tools automatically.
> Apparently it does not work. I must have made a mistake somewhere, even
> if I have no idea where. All packages that were depending on
> 'gambas3-devel' now depends on 'gambas3-dev-tools', and 'gambas3-devel'
> is now a transitional void package. So why the update does not install
> it and remove 'gambas3-devel'?
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From criguada at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 11:18:44 2021
From: criguada at gmail.com (Cristiano Guadagnino)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 11:18:44 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
In-Reply-To: <CANnPoNbWyjRza-tvsyq=hHpWEOKNRTD_SiVkKZ5NWSXNZLtShA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANnPoNbkJXSpC-e++3KhhEY53LWBA0T3M7YmiTYPPpZbs2+eVg@mail.gmail.com>

mmm I stand corrected.
On my second PC (openSuse too) it was correctly (automatically) installed.
Don't know what to say...

Cris

Il giorno mar 27 apr 2021 alle ore 11:16 Cristiano Guadagnino <
criguada at gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Here (openSuse) the update removed gambas3-devel, but it did not install
> gambas3-dev-tools.
> Having followed the discussion, I installed gambas3-dev-tool myself, but
> not everybody would know it.
>
> Cris
>
> Il giorno mar 27 apr 2021 alle ore 09:30 Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com>
> ha scritto:
>
>> Le 27/04/2021 ? 02:13, Bruce Steers a ?crit :
>> > somebody on the gambas-one forum just had the same problem.
>> > They fixed it by installing gambas-dev-tools manually
>> >
>> > https://forum.gambas.one/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1096
>> > <https://forum.gambas.one/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1096>
>> >
>> > BruceS
>> >
>>
>> Normally updating should install gambas3-dev-tools automatically.
>> Apparently it does not work. I must have made a mistake somewhere, even
>> if I have no idea where. All packages that were depending on
>> 'gambas3-devel' now depends on 'gambas3-dev-tools', and 'gambas3-devel'
>> is now a transitional void package. So why the update does not install
>> it and remove 'gambas3-devel'?
>>
>> --
>> Beno?t Minisini
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 12:00:09 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 06:00:09 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
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1. "gambas3" is a development language so all "the development environment"
is all the packages, not only "gambas3-ide" that is only the "integrated
development environment"
2. "gambas3-ide" is only the Editor and graphical development environment,
developers still can develop without that of course
3. "gambas3-dev-tools" must be a dependency on the "gambas3-ide", and this
one then must depends on "gambas3-runtime"
4. Gambas IDE said that it "relies" on external tools but does not depend
on (still can work without), so the right word must be "Recommends" because
the "optional" word is only for some of those tools. I checked the code and
there's no checks around for, so IDE can start normally.

I updated the bug related to:
http://gambaswiki.org/bugtracker/edit?object=BUG.2161

NOTE: still studying the rest of cases for packaging .. mostly gui ones




Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com


El mar, 27 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 05:21, Cristiano Guadagnino (
criguada at gmail.com) escribi?:

> mmm I stand corrected.
> On my second PC (openSuse too) it was correctly (automatically) installed.
> Don't know what to say...
>
> Cris
>
> Il giorno mar 27 apr 2021 alle ore 11:16 Cristiano Guadagnino <
> criguada at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> Here (openSuse) the update removed gambas3-devel, but it did not install
>> gambas3-dev-tools.
>> Having followed the discussion, I installed gambas3-dev-tool myself, but
>> not everybody would know it.
>>
>> Cris
>>
>> Il giorno mar 27 apr 2021 alle ore 09:30 Beno?t Minisini <
>> g4mba5 at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>
>>> Le 27/04/2021 ? 02:13, Bruce Steers a ?crit :
>>> > somebody on the gambas-one forum just had the same problem.
>>> > They fixed it by installing gambas-dev-tools manually
>>> >
>>> > https://forum.gambas.one/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1096
>>> > <https://forum.gambas.one/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1096>
>>> >
>>> > BruceS
>>> >
>>>
>>> Normally updating should install gambas3-dev-tools automatically.
>>> Apparently it does not work. I must have made a mistake somewhere, even
>>> if I have no idea where. All packages that were depending on
>>> 'gambas3-devel' now depends on 'gambas3-dev-tools', and 'gambas3-devel'
>>> is now a transitional void package. So why the update does not install
>>> it and remove 'gambas3-devel'?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Beno?t Minisini
>>>
>>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>>
>>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 12:08:27 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 06:08:27 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] 3.16 - Error on "Print"
In-Reply-To: <1a2f5663-be3f-7b16-9047-d795a337c8da@belmotek.net>
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I am able to confirm that crash at printing *but only in rare
circumstances..* i do not have clean environment here so i will test that
at my job later

El dom, 25 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 16:05, Martin (mbelmonte at belmotek.net)
escribi?:

> Hi.
>
> I try to print the code but gambas IDE crash.
>
> Regards.
>
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 12:14:35 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 06:14:35 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas-dev? (vs gambas-devel)
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i updated the packaging guidelines issue:
http://gambaswiki.org/bugtracker/edit?object=BUG.2161

this is the solution real, to the dev part!

1. "gambas3" is a development languaje so all "the development environment"
is all the packages, not only "gambas3-ide" that's is only the "integrated
development environment"
2. "gambas3-ide" is only the Editor and graphical development
environment, *developers
still can develop without that of course*
3. "gambas3-dev-tools" must be a dependency on the "gambas3-ide", and this
one then must depends on "gambas3-runtime"
4. Gambas IDE said that "relies" on external tools but does not depends on
(still can work without), so the right word must be "Recommends" because
the "optional" word is only for some of those tools. I checked the code and
there's no checks around for, so IDE can start normally.


Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com


El lun, 26 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 10:20, PICCORO McKAY Lenz (
mckaygerhard at gmail.com) escribi?:

>
>
> El dom, 25 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 18:04, Tim Dickson via User (
> user at lists.gambas-basic.org) escribi?:
>
>> no dev/devel complications. No worries there for component package
>> names, as there are none.
>>
> slpit is for security and slim, deploys need only nedded things ,,by
> example gambas webs.. dont need x11 modules neither wayland ones
>
>
>>
>> On 23/04/2021 13:44, T Lee Davidson wrote:
>> > On 4/22/21 7:19 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> >> "gambas-devtools" or whatever, suits me. It looks like something
>> >> special
>> >> and I would be reading the comments in the RPM file to find out more.
>> >
>> > That's a naming format I didn't think of previously. So I did another
>> > search on openSUSE.
>> >
>> > `zypper se devtools`
>> > S | Name             | Summary | Type
>> >
>> --+------------------+---------------------------------------------+--------
>>
>> >
>> >   | linuxrc-devtools | Tools to submit from Git to OBS via Jenkins |
>> > package
>> >   | rpmdevtools      | RPM Development Tools | package
>> >   | yast2-devtools   | YaST2 - Development Tools | package
>> >
>> > So, yep, developers use that convention as well. And, the Summary
>> > clarifies it.
>> >
>> > Personally, it doesn't much matter to me. Since the SPEC file
>> > indicates gambas3-devel is required, I know it's ... required. But,
>> > "*dev*tools" is more descriptive.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>> https://www.avg.com
>>
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 12:17:45 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 12:17:45 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
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Le 27/04/2021 ? 12:00, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit?:
> 
> 1. "gambas3" is a development language so all "the development 
> environment" is all the packages, not only "gambas3-ide" that is only 
> the "integrated development environment"
> 2. "gambas3-ide" is only the Editor and graphical development 
> environment, developers still can develop without that of course
> 3. "gambas3-dev-tools" must be a dependency on the "gambas3-ide", and 
> this one then must depends on "gambas3-runtime"

'gambas3-dev-tools' -is- a dependency -of- 'gambas3-ide'.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 14:56:14 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 08:56:14 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
In-Reply-To: <9bb028ab-ac14-36be-373b-6deb079a3f51@gmail.com>
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checked at the wiki page.. i was using an older version, I will keep
checking back

2021-04-27 6:17 GMT-04:00, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com>:
> Le 27/04/2021 ? 12:00, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit?:
>>
>> 1. "gambas3" is a development language so all "the development
>> environment" is all the packages, not only "gambas3-ide" that is only
>> the "integrated development environment"
>> 2. "gambas3-ide" is only the Editor and graphical development
>> environment, developers still can develop without that of course
>> 3. "gambas3-dev-tools" must be a dependency on the "gambas3-ide", and
>> this one then must depends on "gambas3-runtime"
>
> 'gambas3-dev-tools' -is- a dependency -of- 'gambas3-ide'.
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>


-- 
Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

From jose.rodriguez at cenpalab.cu  Tue Apr 27 18:00:20 2021
From: jose.rodriguez at cenpalab.cu (jose.rodriguez at cenpalab.cu)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 16:00:20 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
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Message-ID: <8a0aa9cd0d80be232cca89189d1161e2@cenpalab.cu>

April 27, 2021 6:20 AM, "Beno?t Minisini" <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Le 27/04/2021 ? 12:00, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit :
> 
>> 1. "gambas3" is a development language so all "the development
>> environment" is all the packages, not only "gambas3-ide" that is only
>> the "integrated development environment"
>> 2. "gambas3-ide" is only the Editor and graphical development
>> environment, developers still can develop without that of course
>> 3. "gambas3-dev-tools" must be a dependency on the "gambas3-ide", and
>> this one then must depends on "gambas3-runtime"
> 
> 'gambas3-dev-tools' -is- a dependency -of- 'gambas3-ide'.
> 
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----


So I got the update today for my Mint 20.1 PCs, since I work from a local mirror updated daily some time between midnight and 6 AM. I updated via the update manager GUI and it said a new package would be installed, gambas3-dev-tools. However, the process produced errors, the short version of which, on a popup window, was:

E: /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-yLKQ67/002-gambas3-dev-tools_3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build12~ubuntu20.04.1_amd64.deb: trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/gba3', which is also in package gambas3-devel 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build11~ubuntu20.04.1

The long version I will attach in a txt file, hoping it makes it, if not, let me know and I will try another way.

Regards,
Joe1962
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 18:14:16 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 18:14:16 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
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Le 27/04/2021 ? 18:00, jose.rodriguez at cenpalab.cu a ?crit?:
> April 27, 2021 6:20 AM, "Beno?t Minisini" <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Le 27/04/2021 ? 12:00, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit :
>>
>>> 1. "gambas3" is a development language so all "the development
>>> environment" is all the packages, not only "gambas3-ide" that is only
>>> the "integrated development environment"
>>> 2. "gambas3-ide" is only the Editor and graphical development
>>> environment, developers still can develop without that of course
>>> 3. "gambas3-dev-tools" must be a dependency on the "gambas3-ide", and
>>> this one then must depends on "gambas3-runtime"
>>
>> 'gambas3-dev-tools' -is- a dependency -of- 'gambas3-ide'.
>>
>> --
>> Beno?t Minisini
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
> 
> 
> So I got the update today for my Mint 20.1 PCs, since I work from a local mirror updated daily some time between midnight and 6 AM. I updated via the update manager GUI and it said a new package would be installed, gambas3-dev-tools. However, the process produced errors, the short version of which, on a popup window, was:
> 
> E: /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-yLKQ67/002-gambas3-dev-tools_3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build12~ubuntu20.04.1_amd64.deb: trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/gba3', which is also in package gambas3-devel 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build11~ubuntu20.04.1
> 
> The long version I will attach in a txt file, hoping it makes it, if not, let me know and I will try another way.
> 
> Regards,
> Joe1962
> 

I think I have found the problem. I will recreate new versions packages 
as soon as possible.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 18:22:21 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 12:22:21 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
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2021-04-27 12:14 GMT-04:00, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com>:
> I think I have found the problem. I will recreate new versions packages
> as soon as possible.

i posted the right depends and also seems you dont read complete the
notes in the issue at the bugtracker.. this "try & catch" way is
tedious, in debian case you must put "Replace" in the
gambas3-dev-tools as:

Package: gambas3-dev-tools
Depends: ${misc:Depends}, ${shlibs:Depends}, gambas3-runtime
Breaks: gambas3-devel (<< 3.16.0), gambas3-dev (<< 3.16.0)
Replaces: gambas3-devel, gambas3-dev
Conflicts: gambas3-devel (<< 3.16.0), gambas3-dev (<< 3.16.0)

you should let xperienced packagers to finish to study the cases, well
i am in the course of the packagin but for debian real linux

>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>


-- 
Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 20:22:01 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 14:22:01 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
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on the alpine linux part :

https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/APKBUILD_Reference#replaces

Replaces files for new names of packages

2021-04-27 12:22 GMT-04:00, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
> 2021-04-27 12:14 GMT-04:00, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com>:
>> I think I have found the problem. I will recreate new versions packages
>> as soon as possible.
>
> i posted the right depends and also seems you dont read complete the
> notes in the issue at the bugtracker.. this "try & catch" way is
> tedious, in debian case you must put "Replace" in the
> gambas3-dev-tools as:
>
> Package: gambas3-dev-tools
> Depends: ${misc:Depends}, ${shlibs:Depends}, gambas3-runtime
> Breaks: gambas3-devel (<< 3.16.0), gambas3-dev (<< 3.16.0)
> Replaces: gambas3-devel, gambas3-dev
> Conflicts: gambas3-devel (<< 3.16.0), gambas3-dev (<< 3.16.0)
>
> you should let xperienced packagers to finish to study the cases, well
> i am in the course of the packagin but for debian real linux
>
>>
>> --
>> Beno?t Minisini
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>
>
>
> --
> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>


-- 
Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 28 01:56:42 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 01:56:42 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
In-Reply-To: <36754ebd-ccca-a308-e0d1-435af51e79b3@gmail.com>
References: <9bb028ab-ac14-36be-373b-6deb079a3f51@gmail.com>
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Le 27/04/2021 ? 18:14, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
> Le 27/04/2021 ? 18:00, jose.rodriguez at cenpalab.cu a ?crit?:
>> So I got the update today for my Mint 20.1 PCs, since I work from a 
>> local mirror updated daily some time between midnight and 6 AM. I 
>> updated via the update manager GUI and it said a new package would be 
>> installed, gambas3-dev-tools. However, the process produced errors, 
>> the short version of which, on a popup window, was:
>>
>> E: 
>> /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-yLKQ67/002-gambas3-dev-tools_3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build12~ubuntu20.04.1_amd64.deb: 
>> trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/gba3', which is also in package 
>> gambas3-devel 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build11~ubuntu20.04.1
>>
>> The long version I will attach in a txt file, hoping it makes it, if 
>> not, let me know and I will try another way.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Joe1962
>>
> 
> I think I have found the problem. I will recreate new versions packages 
> as soon as possible.
> 

New packages are available in the stable PPA.

Please report any problem.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Wed Apr 28 05:04:58 2021
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 06:04:58 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
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Message-ID: <CAFJMe7TBG-UruWfAOaZArjyGF8P0VYB90XuzLB6TwmXTv751tA@mail.gmail.com>

I just compiled the latest dev version and it does not pass the tester.
There seems to be an infinite loop in mTest.File_Read.
No time to investigate further and no idea what is going on. See the
attachment. Also why this is not showing up on the self test?


Jussi



On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 2:57 AM Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Le 27/04/2021 ? 18:14, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
> > Le 27/04/2021 ? 18:00, jose.rodriguez at cenpalab.cu a ?crit :
> >> So I got the update today for my Mint 20.1 PCs, since I work from a
> >> local mirror updated daily some time between midnight and 6 AM. I
> >> updated via the update manager GUI and it said a new package would be
> >> installed, gambas3-dev-tools. However, the process produced errors,
> >> the short version of which, on a popup window, was:
> >>
> >> E:
> >>
> /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-yLKQ67/002-gambas3-dev-tools_3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build12~ubuntu20.04.1_amd64.deb:
>
> >> trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/gba3', which is also in package
> >> gambas3-devel 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build11~ubuntu20.04.1
> >>
> >> The long version I will attach in a txt file, hoping it makes it, if
> >> not, let me know and I will try another way.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Joe1962
> >>
> >
> > I think I have found the problem. I will recreate new versions packages
> > as soon as possible.
> >
>
> New packages are available in the stable PPA.
>
> Please report any problem.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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From herberthguzman at gmail.com  Wed Apr 28 06:14:47 2021
From: herberthguzman at gmail.com (Herberth Guzman)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 22:14:47 -0600
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
In-Reply-To: <CAFJMe7TBG-UruWfAOaZArjyGF8P0VYB90XuzLB6TwmXTv751tA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAJPJa8gFT_kz=pZyDMEa2nqs+r39Z9vW-X8Kaab=CNkDBe3FHA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi


I just updated and I have the following message.

gb.desktop.x11component not found

And I have installed the components that I need.


Regards


Herberth Guzm?n


El martes, 27 de abril de 2021, Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>
escribi?:

> I just compiled the latest dev version and it does not pass the tester.
> There seems to be an infinite loop in mTest.File_Read.
> No time to investigate further and no idea what is going on. See the
> attachment. Also why this is not showing up on the self test?
>
>
> Jussi
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 2:57 AM Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Le 27/04/2021 ? 18:14, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
>> > Le 27/04/2021 ? 18:00, jose.rodriguez at cenpalab.cu a ?crit :
>> >> So I got the update today for my Mint 20.1 PCs, since I work from a
>> >> local mirror updated daily some time between midnight and 6 AM. I
>> >> updated via the update manager GUI and it said a new package would be
>> >> installed, gambas3-dev-tools. However, the process produced errors,
>> >> the short version of which, on a popup window, was:
>> >>
>> >> E:
>> >> /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-yLKQ67/002-gambas3-dev-tools_3.16.0+
>> git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build12~ubuntu20.04.1_amd64.deb:
>> >> trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/gba3', which is also in package
>> >> gambas3-devel 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build11~ubuntu20.04.1
>> >>
>> >> The long version I will attach in a txt file, hoping it makes it, if
>> >> not, let me know and I will try another way.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Joe1962
>> >>
>> >
>> > I think I have found the problem. I will recreate new versions packages
>> > as soon as possible.
>> >
>>
>> New packages are available in the stable PPA.
>>
>> Please report any problem.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> --
>> Beno?t Minisini
>>
>> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>>
>
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From jose.rodriguez at cenpalab.cu  Wed Apr 28 07:11:10 2021
From: jose.rodriguez at cenpalab.cu (jose.rodriguez at cenpalab.cu)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 05:11:10 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
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References: <abe43990-1a8b-e9cf-4ec5-3a5b3907b4a8@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <0431f8e69d5fe66b4eec59c583ab5b49@cenpalab.cu>

April 27, 2021 7:56 PM, "Beno?t Minisini" <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Le 27/04/2021 ? 18:14, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
>> 
>> I think I have found the problem. I will recreate new versions packages
>> as soon as possible.
> 
> New packages are available in the stable PPA.
> 
> Please report any problem.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----


Thanks, Benoit, I'll try tomorrow.

Regards,
Joe1962


From chrisml at deganius.de  Wed Apr 28 09:25:08 2021
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 09:25:08 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
In-Reply-To: <CAFJMe7TBG-UruWfAOaZArjyGF8P0VYB90XuzLB6TwmXTv751tA@mail.gmail.com>
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Am 28.04.21 um 05:04 schrieb Jussi Lahtinen:

> I just compiled the latest dev version and it does not pass the tester.
> There seems to be an infinite loop in mTest.File_Read.
> No time to investigate further and no idea what is going on. See the
> attachment. Also why this is not showing up on the self test?

Did you try this?

'app/src/gambas3-selftest/run.sh'

I am not sure but gambas3-selftest does not run on my virtual machine
where I have the dev version installed. The test
'FileReadWrite.ReadUrandom' lasts too long, it seems to hang at this
point. But I'm not sure.

Maybe that's the same problem?

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

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From chrisml at deganius.de  Wed Apr 28 09:40:20 2021
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 09:40:20 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
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Am 28.04.21 um 09:25 schrieb Christof Thalhofer:
> Am 28.04.21 um 05:04 schrieb Jussi Lahtinen:
> 
>> I just compiled the latest dev version and it does not pass the tester.
>> There seems to be an infinite loop in mTest.File_Read.
>> No time to investigate further and no idea what is going on. See the
>> attachment. Also why this is not showing up on the self test?
> 
> Did you try this?
> 
> 'app/src/gambas3-selftest/run.sh'

Sorry, you have to do:

$ cd app/src/gambas3-selftest
$ ./run.sh

But here the gambas3-selftest when called inside the IDE also hangs at
this point:

> Test FileReadWrite.FileReadWrite
> gbx3: loading jit function: mFileReadWrite.RWTest
> gbx3: loading jit function: mFileReadWrite.File_Write

If you are in the IDE you have to hit 'Shift-F4' to choose or define the
right testsuite. 'Standard' is the one which we use to test what we want
at the moment. Then hit F4 to run the test.

The test 'FileReadWrite.ReadUrandom' hangs:

> Test FileReadWrite.ReadUrandom
> gbx3: loading jit function: mFileReadWrite.File_Read

So the gambas3-selftest shows the same problem.

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

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From chrisml at deganius.de  Wed Apr 28 09:45:31 2021
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 09:45:31 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
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Message-ID: <7d4bf76f-4515-2dc2-29e3-d283e13d9ed1@deganius.de>

Am 28.04.21 um 09:40 schrieb Christof Thalhofer:

> The test 'FileReadWrite.ReadUrandom' hangs:
> 
>> Test FileReadWrite.ReadUrandom
>> gbx3: loading jit function: mFileReadWrite.File_Read
> 
> So the gambas3-selftest shows the same problem.

When I step through, it hangs here:

'mFileReadWrite.ReadUrandom()'
Line 58: 'Wait 0.1'

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

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From johny.provoost at skynet.be  Wed Apr 28 13:52:00 2021
From: johny.provoost at skynet.be (Johny Provoost)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 13:52:00 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Daily PPA 28 april 2021
Message-ID: <d6b7462b-0aab-4a36-7620-478e253897a1@skynet.be>

Hallo,

Just installed the new update op Gambas 3.16 through the daily PPA on 
Kubuntu 20.04 and no errors anymore.

Johny Provoost
-- 



From mbelmonte at belmotek.net  Wed Apr 28 17:40:58 2021
From: mbelmonte at belmotek.net (Martin)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 17:40:58 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Loading all components for testing
Message-ID: <b4eccb13-66b0-0360-a930-69acede09658@belmotek.net>

Hi,

I try to load all components for testing in an app here the results:

Error? > gb.gui: error: 'gb.gtk3.opengl' component not found, unable to 
find any GUI replacement component
Action > set gb.opengl off

Error? > Some error about overwrite the name in class "Screen"
Action > set gb.ncurses off

Error? > gb.httpd: bind 0.0.0.0 - Address already in use
Action > set gb.httpd off

Error? > Error loading libdumb.so: libdumb.so, libfluidsynth.so.1: 
libfluidsynth.so.1
Action > I don't know what action to take

------ System Data

[System]
Gambas=3.16
OperatingSystem=Linux
Kernel=5.10.30-1-MANJARO
Architecture=x86_64
Distribution=Manjaro Linux
Desktop=XFCE
Font=Noto Sans,11
Scale=8
Theme=matcha-dark-aliz
Language=es_ES.utf8
Memory=1985M

[Libraries]
Cairo=libcairo.so.2.11704.0
Curl=libcurl.so.4.7.0
DBus=libdbus-1.so.3.19.13
GDK2=libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.33
GDK3=libgdk-3.so.0.2404.24
GStreamer=libgstreamer-1.0.so.0.1804.0
GTK+2=libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.33
GTK+3=libgtk-3.so.0.2404.24
OpenGL=libGL.so.1.7.0
Poppler=libpoppler.so.109.0.0
QT5=libQt5Core.so.5.15.2
SDL=libSDL-1.2.so.0.11.4
SQLite=libsqlite3.so.0.8.6

[Environment]
DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:path=/run/user/1000/bus
DESKTOP_SESSION=xfce
DISPLAY=:0.0
EDITOR=/usr/bin/nano
GB_GUI=gb.gtk3
GDMSESSION=xfce
GDM_LANG=es_ES.utf8
GTK2_RC_FILES=<home>/.gtkrc-2.0
GTK_MODULES=canberra-gtk-module:canberra-gtk-module
LANG=es_ES.utf8
MOTD_SHOWN=pam
PANEL_GDK_CORE_DEVICE_EVENTS=0
PATH=<home>/.local/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/bin/site_perl:/usr/bin/vendor_perl:/usr/bin/core_perl
QT_AUTO_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTOR=0
QT_LOGGING_RULES=*.debug=false
QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=qt5ct
SESSION_MANAGER=local/<hostname>:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/498,unix/<hostname>:/tmp/.ICE-unix/498
SHLVL=0
TZ=:/etc/localtime
USER=<user>
XAUTHORITY=<home>/.Xauthority
XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/etc/xdg
XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=XFCE
XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/local/share:/usr/share
XDG_GREETER_DATA_DIR=/var/lib/lightdm-data/<user>
XDG_MENU_PREFIX=xfce-
XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000
XDG_SEAT=seat0
XDG_SEAT_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Seat0
XDG_SESSION_CLASS=user
XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=xfce
XDG_SESSION_ID=1
XDG_SESSION_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Session0
XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11
XDG_VTNR=7

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From antonio.j.teixeira at gmail.com  Wed Apr 28 19:42:42 2021
From: antonio.j.teixeira at gmail.com (Antonio Teixeira)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 18:42:42 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] UDP Broadcast
Message-ID: <CAAgrfyAEKyoJuz+kX4bBdbzBy=qNTawdhy6tLrFoCVY=V=4Ekw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

I have 4 machines in my network.
I am trying to do a small program to broadcast packets to the network so
each machine send a packet and all the other 3 receive the packet,
I tried based on the example but I can't reach the broadcast way.
Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you in advance.

Atentamente / Regards

Ant?nio Teixeira
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From jose.rodriguez at cenpalab.cu  Wed Apr 28 20:01:17 2021
From: jose.rodriguez at cenpalab.cu (jose.rodriguez at cenpalab.cu)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 18:01:17 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
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Message-ID: <f34ceea7c20203792d6ba96d33d609d1@cenpalab.cu>

April 27, 2021 7:56 PM, "Beno?t Minisini" <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> New packages are available in the stable PPA.
> 
> Please report any problem.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
> 


I had uninstalled all gambas packages to fix the apt problem created before, so I can't test if the new packages would fix a previous installation, but as a new install, everything seems to be working fine now.

apt install gambas3 installed the following:
(apt list --installed | grep gambas)

gambas3-dev-tools/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-args/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-cairo/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-chart/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-clipper/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-complex/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-compress-bzlib2/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-compress-zlib/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-compress-zstd/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-compress/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-crypt/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-data/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-db-form/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-db-mysql/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-db-odbc/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-db-postgresql/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-db-sqlite2/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-db-sqlite3/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-db/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-dbus-trayicon/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-dbus/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-desktop-x11/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-desktop/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-eval-highlight/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-form-dialog/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-form-editor/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-form-mdi/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-form-print/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-form-stock/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-form-terminal/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-form/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-gmp/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-gsl/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-gtk-opengl/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-gtk3-wayland/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-gtk3-webview/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-gtk3-x11/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-gtk3/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-gtk/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-httpd/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-image-effect/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-image-imlib/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-image-io/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-image/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-inotify/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-libxml/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-logging/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-map/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-markdown/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-media-form/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-media/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-memcached/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-mime/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-mysql/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-ncurses/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-net-curl/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-net-pop3/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-net-smtp/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-net/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-openal/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-opengl-glsl/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-opengl-glu/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-opengl-sge/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-opengl/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-openssl/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-option/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-pcre/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-pdf/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-poppler/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-qt5-ext/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-qt5-opengl/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-qt5-wayland/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-qt5-webkit/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-qt5-webview/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-qt5-x11/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-qt5/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-report2/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-report/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-scanner/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-sdl-sound/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-sdl2-audio/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-sdl2/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-sdl/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-settings/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-signal/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-term-form/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-term/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-util-web/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-util/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-v4l/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-vb/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-web-feed/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-web-form/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-web-gui/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-web/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-xml-html/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-xml-rpc/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-xml-xslt/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gb-xml/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-gui/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-ide/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3-runtime/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
gambas3-scripter/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
gambas3/focal,now 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all [installed]


and did not install these:
(apt list  | grep gambas | grep -v -e installed)

gambas3-dev/focal 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all
gambas3-devel/focal 3.16.0+git2021041914202.4564c5fa6+build13~ubuntu20.04.1 all
gambas3-examples/focal,focal 3.14.3-2ubuntu3.1 all
gambas3-gb-gui-opengl/focal,focal 3.14.3-2ubuntu3.1 all
gambas3-gb-gui-qt-webkit/focal,focal 3.14.3-2ubuntu3.1 all
gambas3-gb-gui-qt/focal,focal 3.14.3-2ubuntu3.1 all
gambas3-gb-gui-trayicon/focal,focal 3.14.3-2ubuntu3.1 all
gambas3-gb-gui/focal 3.14.3-2ubuntu3.1 amd64
gambas3-gb-jit/focal 3.14.3-2ubuntu3.1 amd64
gambas3-script/focal,focal 3.14.3-2ubuntu3.1 all
gambas3-templates/focal,focal 3.14.3-2ubuntu3.1 all


Regards,
Joe1962


From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Wed Apr 28 21:21:45 2021
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 12:21:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Gambas-user] UDP Broadcast
In-Reply-To: <CAAgrfyAEKyoJuz+kX4bBdbzBy=qNTawdhy6tLrFoCVY=V=4Ekw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAgrfyAEKyoJuz+kX4bBdbzBy=qNTawdhy6tLrFoCVY=V=4Ekw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68823789.539.1619637705799.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>

Are you able to do a wireshark capture to look at what is being sent?

"Failure is the key to success; 
 each mistake teaches us something"  .. Morihei Ueshiba
Brian G

----- Antonio Teixeira <antonio.j.teixeira at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I have 4 machines in my network.
> I am trying to do a small program to broadcast packets to the network so
> each machine send a packet and all the other 3 receive the packet,
> I tried based on the example but I can't reach the broadcast way.
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Thank you in advance.
> 
> Atentamente / Regards
> 
> Ant?nio Teixeira


From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Wed Apr 28 21:52:18 2021
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 22:52:18 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
In-Reply-To: <7d4bf76f-4515-2dc2-29e3-d283e13d9ed1@deganius.de>
References: <9bb028ab-ac14-36be-373b-6deb079a3f51@gmail.com>
 <CANnPoNbWyjRza-tvsyq=hHpWEOKNRTD_SiVkKZ5NWSXNZLtShA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANnPoNbkJXSpC-e++3KhhEY53LWBA0T3M7YmiTYPPpZbs2+eVg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALci+FTbuQDDQnf41q20JnV_AfcrBKsUX2G4JqciaOK3dAzb3w@mail.gmail.com>
 <8a0aa9cd0d80be232cca89189d1161e2@cenpalab.cu>
 <36754ebd-ccca-a308-e0d1-435af51e79b3@gmail.com>
 <abe43990-1a8b-e9cf-4ec5-3a5b3907b4a8@gmail.com>
 <CAFJMe7TBG-UruWfAOaZArjyGF8P0VYB90XuzLB6TwmXTv751tA@mail.gmail.com>
 <43285ad8-170c-6d23-3d3a-349b28fbb8c8@deganius.de>
 <765c49ed-4677-57f3-60a1-44fc7cbb7d88@deganius.de>
 <7d4bf76f-4515-2dc2-29e3-d283e13d9ed1@deganius.de>
Message-ID: <CAFJMe7SF7=hv0XYhczXyaSjqNrnzD+RAe-AUpsDw2m3YUC_mXQ@mail.gmail.com>

>
> > So the gambas3-selftest shows the same problem.
>

OK, so it just wasn't run...

Jussi
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 28 23:51:28 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:51:28 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
In-Reply-To: <7d4bf76f-4515-2dc2-29e3-d283e13d9ed1@deganius.de>
References: <9bb028ab-ac14-36be-373b-6deb079a3f51@gmail.com>
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 <8a0aa9cd0d80be232cca89189d1161e2@cenpalab.cu>
 <36754ebd-ccca-a308-e0d1-435af51e79b3@gmail.com>
 <abe43990-1a8b-e9cf-4ec5-3a5b3907b4a8@gmail.com>
 <CAFJMe7TBG-UruWfAOaZArjyGF8P0VYB90XuzLB6TwmXTv751tA@mail.gmail.com>
 <43285ad8-170c-6d23-3d3a-349b28fbb8c8@deganius.de>
 <765c49ed-4677-57f3-60a1-44fc7cbb7d88@deganius.de>
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Message-ID: <a8fb39f8-d2fc-0a10-9688-4026fca9b2aa@gmail.com>

Le 28/04/2021 ? 09:45, Christof Thalhofer a ?crit?:
> Am 28.04.21 um 09:40 schrieb Christof Thalhofer:
> 
>> The test 'FileReadWrite.ReadUrandom' hangs:
>>
>>> Test FileReadWrite.ReadUrandom
>>> gbx3: loading jit function: mFileReadWrite.File_Read
>>
>> So the gambas3-selftest shows the same problem.
> 
> When I step through, it hangs here:
> 
> 'mFileReadWrite.ReadUrandom()'
> Line 58: 'Wait 0.1'
> 
> Alles Gute
> 
> Christof Thalhofer
> 

It has been fixed in commit 
https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/-/commit/4ef3334245c102004d24fe113f79ec9d0194d605.

A bug that was there for a long time, but that I didn't notice because, 
for an unknown reason, it appears only using the GTK+3 event loop. It 
should have triggered whoever manages the event loop.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From chrisml at deganius.de  Thu Apr 29 09:06:36 2021
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 09:06:36 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
In-Reply-To: <a8fb39f8-d2fc-0a10-9688-4026fca9b2aa@gmail.com>
References: <9bb028ab-ac14-36be-373b-6deb079a3f51@gmail.com>
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Am 28.04.21 um 23:51 schrieb Beno?t Minisini:

> It has been fixed in commit 
> https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/-/commit/4ef3334245c102004d24fe113f79ec9d0194d605.
>
> A bug that was there for a long time, but that I didn't notice because, 
> for an unknown reason, it appears only using the GTK+3 event loop. It 
> should have triggered whoever manages the event loop.

Yes, this one seems to be fixed, but still there remains a failing test:

> ...
> Test Timers.Timers
>   ok 1 - Timers.Timers.17: LRT 1
>   ok 2 - Timers.Timers.18: LRT 2
>   ok 3 - Timers.Timers.42: LRT 3
>   ok 4 - Timers.Timers.43: LRT 4
> Timers.Timers.56: 0,018020801999683
>   not ok 5 - Timers.Timers.61: LRT 5
>   ok 6 - Timers.Timers.62: LRT 6
>   1..6
> not ok 9 - Timers.Timers
> 
> # Ausgef?hrt: 'Testsuite: Full'
> #
> # 1 todo:
> # 281: GambasSelftests.FastTests.2603 --  # Tests missing
> #
> # 1 tests failed:
> # 5: Timers.Timers.61 -- LRT 5
> #
> # FAILED
> Test without JIT failed

Test without JIT, Timers.Timers.61

You can now test always with:
'app/src/gambas3-selftest/run.sh'

We should integrate it into a makefile so that we can do 'make test'.

What is missing is testing with different languages.

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Thu Apr 29 15:00:39 2021
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 15:00:39 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas wiki translate.
Message-ID: <CAJ2rqFY1UncR+s9zs_fc0wbVM8Bz35Qv2BvURa6aio5fmvU5AA@mail.gmail.com>

my brain is aging faster than I hoped and therefore I believe my
contribution to translations has now come to an end.

Now doing a translation, for someone who knows something about Gambas but
little of English, seems to have become a really complicated operation.

Previously one could get help from one of the Firefox add-ons but now they
have stopped working.

Patience, will be for the next life.

Gianluigi
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Thu Apr 29 16:26:28 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 10:26:28 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas wiki translate.
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2rqFY1UncR+s9zs_fc0wbVM8Bz35Qv2BvURa6aio5fmvU5AA@mail.gmail.com>
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I understand you too Gianluigi, since I detest the English language,
but I have been forced to understand it.

However, sometimes we can't rely on so many facile/easy things, since
the complements you mention lack a good context, especially in
technical translations...

So as recommendation, you may find the brave/chromium plugin useful, I
know it's not the most suitable but it still works (in brave it's more
archaic, in chromium/chrome the translation is integrated)

2021-04-29 9:00 GMT-04:00, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
> my brain is aging faster than I hoped and therefore I believe my
> contribution to translations has now come to an end.
>
> Now doing a translation, for someone who knows something about Gambas but
> little of English, seems to have become a really complicated operation.
>
> Previously one could get help from one of the Firefox add-ons but now they
> have stopped working.
>
> Patience, will be for the next life.
>
> Gianluigi
>


-- 
Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

From bagonergi at gmail.com  Thu Apr 29 16:51:01 2021
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 16:51:01 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas wiki translate.
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Il giorno gio 29 apr 2021 alle ore 16:27 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
mckaygerhard at gmail.com> ha scritto:

> I understand you too Gianluigi, since I detest the English language,
> but I have been forced to understand it.
>
> However, sometimes we can't rely on so many facile/easy things, since
> the complements you mention lack a good context, especially in
> technical translations...
>
> So as recommendation, you may find the brave/chromium plugin useful, I
> know it's not the most suitable but it still works (in brave it's more
> archaic, in chromium/chrome the translation is integrated)
>

But have you tried to do a new translation of a wiki page from English to
Spanish lately?
I mean, copy the page from 'edit' and paste it into 'es' after clicking
'create'?
Can you get a translation in the editor?

Now that's the help you can't get anymore, that's what I mean.

To your knowledge I have done dozens of translations, probably hundreds, of
course the wikis written by Benoit, Tobias, Lee, Christof & C are simple to
do as opposed to others.

Gianluigi
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Thu Apr 29 17:40:23 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 11:40:23 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas wiki translate.
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2021-04-29 10:51 GMT-04:00, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
> Il giorno gio 29 apr 2021 alle ore 16:27 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
> mckaygerhard at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> I understand you too Gianluigi, since I detest the English language,
>> but I have been forced to understand it.
>>
> But have you tried to do a new translation of a wiki page from English to
> Spanish lately?

because of what I said before I hardly usen' Spanish or Russian
anymore, in fact I can't write or speak because of it

but now I understand you, reviewing the ODBC history I see that you
went through some troubles the first time, deleting and then you
should have done it from the rendered page and not from the markdown
sourced page.

the reason for the problem is that the gambas markdown syntax is
horrendous cos there's some parts that is not like original markdown
(specially tables)... making it impossible for translators, which is
not the case with normal markdown syntax.

as a consequence the workload is multiplied

I have always said that unfortunately developers are looking more to
add features than to properly lead a slow but sure development cycle,
today the fashion is to add stupid features and to be updating

now we are two Gianluigi, but rest of them just wants "more updates
and features" so.. waste of time

> I mean, copy the page from 'edit' and paste it into 'es' after clicking
> 'create'?
> Can you get a translation in the editor?
>
> Now that's the help you can't get anymore, that's what I mean.
>
> To your knowledge I have done dozens of translations, probably hundreds, of
> course the wikis written by Benoit, Tobias, Lee, Christof & C are simple to
> do as opposed to others.
>
> Gianluigi
>


-- 
Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Thu Apr 29 18:43:45 2021
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (Brian G)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 09:43:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Gambas-user] UDP Broadcast
In-Reply-To: <68823789.539.1619637705799.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
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Message-ID: <170492683.865.1619714625142.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>

Hi this is an example that does what your looking for:

Sender example:
**************************************************
Public Sub Main()
 Dim a As New UdpSocket As "MyBroadcast"
 a.Broadcast = 1
 a.port = 0
 a.TargetHost = "192.168.1.255"  ' <-- this needs to be your network segment machine addr of 255
 a.TargetPort = "8002"
 a.Bind()

  if a.Status = Net.Active then
    Write #a, "This is a test message"
    Write #a, "More of This is a test message"
    Flush #a
    Close #a
  endif

  Catch 
     Print Error.text
End
********************************************
Receive side:
********************************************
Public Sub Main()
 Dim a As New UdpSocket As "MyBroadcast"
 a.broadcast = True
 a.port = 8002
 a.Bind()
 
  While a.Status = Net.Active
    Wait 0.01
  Wend
  Print "Hello world"
End

Public Sub MyBroadcast_read()
  
  Dim buffer As String = ""
  While Lof(Last)
    buffer &= Read #Last, -254
  Wend
  Print buffer
End

Public Sub MyBroadcast_error()
  
  Print Last.status
  
End
*****************************************
I hope this helps

"Failure is the key to success; 
 each mistake teaches us something"  .. Morihei Ueshiba
Brian G

----- On Apr 28, 2021, at 12:21 PM, Brian brian at westwoodsvcs.com wrote:

> Are you able to do a wireshark capture to look at what is being sent?
> 
> "Failure is the key to success;
> each mistake teaches us something"  .. Morihei Ueshiba
> Brian G
> 
> ----- Antonio Teixeira <antonio.j.teixeira at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> I have 4 machines in my network.
>> I am trying to do a small program to broadcast packets to the network so
>> each machine send a packet and all the other 3 receive the packet,
>> I tried based on the example but I can't reach the broadcast way.
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Thank you in advance.
>> 
>> Atentamente / Regards
>> 
>> Ant?nio Teixeira
> 
> 
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----

From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Thu Apr 29 20:17:44 2021
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 21:17:44 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
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>
> > Test Timers.Timers
> >   ok 1 - Timers.Timers.17: LRT 1
> >   ok 2 - Timers.Timers.18: LRT 2
> >   ok 3 - Timers.Timers.42: LRT 3
> >   ok 4 - Timers.Timers.43: LRT 4
> > Timers.Timers.56: 0,018020801999683
> >   not ok 5 - Timers.Timers.61: LRT 5
> >   ok 6 - Timers.Timers.62: LRT 6
> >   1..6
> > not ok 9 - Timers.Timers
> >
> > # Ausgef?hrt: 'Testsuite: Full'
> > #
> > # 1 todo:
> > # 281: GambasSelftests.FastTests.2603 --  # Tests missing
> > #
> > # 1 tests failed:
> > # 5: Timers.Timers.61 -- LRT 5
> > #
> > # FAILED
> > Test without JIT failed
>


This might be OK. The accuracy of timers (especially without RT kernel) is
not strictly determined (or at least AFAIK).
Now, when we expect to get 0.01s (or 10 ms) with tolerance of +-5 ms. It
rarely fails, but sometimes it does.
It seems the accuracy follows somewhat gaussian distribution. Maybe this
test could be improved.


Jussi
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From chrisml at deganius.de  Thu Apr 29 20:29:50 2021
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 20:29:50 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas wiki translate.
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2rqFY1UncR+s9zs_fc0wbVM8Bz35Qv2BvURa6aio5fmvU5AA@mail.gmail.com>
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Am 29.04.21 um 15:00 schrieb Gianluigi:

> my brain is aging faster than I hoped and therefore I believe my
> contribution to translations has now come to an end.

Thank you very much for all your contributions to Gambas!

> Now doing a translation, for someone who knows something about Gambas
> but little of English, seems to have become a really complicated operation.
> 
> Previously one could get help from one of the Firefox add-ons but now
> they have stopped working.

Could https://www.deepl.com/translator help you?

> Patience, will be for the next life.

We will meet here in this ML then. ;-)

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

-- 
[x] nail here for new monitor

From chrisml at deganius.de  Thu Apr 29 21:16:33 2021
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 21:16:33 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
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Am 29.04.21 um 20:17 schrieb Jussi Lahtinen:

>     > # 1 tests failed:
>     > # 5: Timers.Timers.61 -- LRT 5
>     > #
>     > # FAILED
>     > Test without JIT failed
> 
> This might be OK. The accuracy of timers (especially without RT kernel)
> is not strictly determined (or at least AFAIK).
> Now, when we expect to get 0.01s (or 10 ms)?with tolerance of +-5 ms. It
> rarely fails, but sometimes it does.
> It seems the accuracy follows somewhat gaussian distribution. Maybe this
> test could be improved.

Hmm, ok. My system is a virtual machine, that will add some unreliability.

We can exclude this test from the testsuite 'Full' ? or better ? we
create a testsuite 'Production' which should only contain all test which
run reliable and should run by default by 'app/src/gambas3-selftest/run.sh'.

I can do it this evening when I'm at home.

You could write an additional test, which tests Timers, not so accurate,
but reliable in all possible circumstances, if you want.

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

-- 
[x] nail here for new monitor

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 29 21:58:40 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 21:58:40 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
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Le 29/04/2021 ? 20:17, Jussi Lahtinen a ?crit?:
> 
> This might be OK. The accuracy of timers (especially without RT kernel) 
> is not strictly determined (or at least AFAIK).
> Now, when we expect to get 0.01s (or 10 ms)?with tolerance of +-5 ms. It 
> rarely fails, but sometimes it does.
> It seems the accuracy follows somewhat gaussian distribution. Maybe this 
> test could be improved.
> 
> 
> Jussi
> 

Beware that the timer resolution depends on the event loop that depends 
on the GUI component.

At the moment there are four event loop implementations:

- The default one in the interpreter.
- The Qt4 / Qt5 one.
- The GTK+2 / GTK+3 one.
- The SDL one.

As making the gambas3-selftest project depends on a GUI component, you 
can't test the interpreter event loop, which should have the best 
resolution, because there is no GUI event loop overhead.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Thu Apr 29 22:04:38 2021
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 16:04:38 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] UDP Broadcast
In-Reply-To: <170492683.865.1619714625142.JavaMail.zimbra@westwoodsvcs.com>
References: <CAAgrfyAEKyoJuz+kX4bBdbzBy=qNTawdhy6tLrFoCVY=V=4Ekw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <dfbaa6d1-c548-f0ea-1d7f-f679c0b16986@gmail.com>

Nice little example.

On 4/29/21 12:43 PM, Brian G wrote:
>    While a.Status = Net.Active
>      Wait 0.01
>    Wend

But, shouldn't that be:
   While a.Status <> Net.Active
     Wait 0.01
   Wend

Also, shouldn't the transmitter also wait for an Active status instead of doing nothing if not?


-- 
Lee

From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 29 22:22:22 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 21:22:22 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas wiki translate.
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2021, 14:01 Gianluigi, <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:

> my brain is aging faster than I hoped and therefore I believe my
> contribution to translations has now come to an end.
>

Good effort gl
I'm sure many future Spanish gambas users will be glad for all you have
done for them ?


Now doing a translation, for someone who knows something about Gambas but
> little of English, seems to have become a really complicated operation.
>
> Previously one could get help from one of the Firefox add-ons but now they
> have stopped working.
>

That's a shame
Hopefully you can find something that works for you.
Well wishes.
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From brian at westwoodsvcs.com  Thu Apr 29 23:03:19 2021
From: brian at westwoodsvcs.com (=?UTF-8?B?QnJpYW4gRw==?=)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 00:03:19 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] =?utf-8?q?UDP_Broadcast?=
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Nope it work just fine as it is.. we are talking broadcast here
--
Thanks
Brian G Thursday, 29 April 2021, 01:05PM -07:00 from T Lee Davidson  t.lee.davidson at gmail.com :

>Nice little example.
>
>On 4/29/21 12:43 PM, Brian G wrote:
> While a.Status = Net.Active
> Wait 0.01
> Wend
>
>But, shouldn't that be:
>???While a.Status <> Net.Active
>?????Wait 0.01
>???Wend
>
>Also, shouldn't the transmitter also wait for an Active status instead of doing nothing if not?
>
>
>-- 
>Lee
>
>----[  http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Fri Apr 30 04:40:53 2021
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 22:40:53 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas wiki translate.
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El jue, 29 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 16:23, Bruce Steers (bsteers4 at gmail.com)
escribi?:

> On Thu, 29 Apr 2021, 14:01 Gianluigi, <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> my brain is aging faster than I hoped and therefore I believe my
>> contribution to translations has now come to an end.
>>
>
> I'm sure many future Spanish gambas users will be glad for all you have
> done
>
errr he work in italian gambas pages only.. check history..


> for them ?
>
>
> Now doing a translation, for someone who knows something about Gambas but
>> little of English, seems to have become a really complicated operation.
>>
>> Previously one could get help from one of the Firefox add-ons but now
>> they have stopped working.
>>
>
> That's a shame
> Hopefully you can find something that works for you.
> Well wishes.
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
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From chrisml at deganius.de  Fri Apr 30 08:17:39 2021
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:17:39 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas wiki translate.
In-Reply-To: <CALci+FQYV3E7FEs0ECZ+MZ521UmHQ5RUoNY9SactdVDbzKqO_w@mail.gmail.com>
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Am 30.04.21 um 04:40 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz:

>     I'm sure many future Spanish gambas users will be glad for all you
>     have done 
> 
> errr he work in italian gambas pages only.. check history..?

For english people it is the same. ;-)

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

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From chrisml at deganius.de  Fri Apr 30 08:29:44 2021
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:29:44 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] New packages on the stable PPA
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Am 29.04.21 um 20:17 schrieb Jussi Lahtinen:

>     > # 1 tests failed:
>     > # 5: Timers.Timers.61 -- LRT 5
>     > #
>     > # FAILED
>     > Test without JIT failed
> 
> This might be OK. The accuracy of timers (especially without RT kernel)
> is not strictly determined (or at least AFAIK).
> Now, when we expect to get 0.01s (or 10 ms)?with tolerance of +-5 ms. It
> rarely fails, but sometimes it does.
> It seems the accuracy follows somewhat gaussian distribution. Maybe this
> test could be improved.

Ok. We now have a test suite 'Production' which excludes this one.

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 30 09:32:50 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:32:50 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas wiki translate.
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 at 03:42, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>
wrote:

> El jue, 29 de abr. de 2021 a la(s) 16:23, Bruce Steers (bsteers4 at gmail.com)
> escribi?:
>
>> On Thu, 29 Apr 2021, 14:01 Gianluigi, <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> my brain is aging faster than I hoped and therefore I believe my
>>> contribution to translations has now come to an end.
>>>
>>
>> I'm sure many future Spanish gambas users will be glad for all you have
>> done
>>
> errr he work in italian gambas pages only.. check history..
>

Wow PICORRO you are so observant and excellent and clever , I wish I was as
excellent as you and had as many friends :)
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 30 09:34:45 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:34:45 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas wiki translate.
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 at 07:18, Christof Thalhofer <chrisml at deganius.de>
wrote:

> Am 30.04.21 um 04:40 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz:
>
> >     I'm sure many future Spanish gambas users will be glad for all you
> >     have done
> >
> > errr he work in italian gambas pages only.. check history..
>
> For english people it is the same. ;-)
>

Is Spain not in Itally ????   ;)
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Fri Apr 30 10:02:16 2021
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 10:02:16 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas wiki translate.
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Dear Christof,

sorry for the delay in replying, but my internet was defunct :-(

> Thank you very much for all your contributions to Gambas!

I am the one who thank you all of the Gambas team for the nice product that
makes me enjoy a lot.

I'm just sorry the translations have gotten so complicated.

Before, it was enough to highlight the sentence that was not understood
directly in the editor, to have a translation immediately below the
original text.
Often the translations were na?ve, but the help was substantial and
immediate.

> For english people it is the same. ;-)

lol
But that Spanish-speaking people are grateful to me for the translations, I
find it difficult :-)

Regards

Gianluigi
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Fri Apr 30 10:04:15 2021
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 10:04:15 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas wiki translate.
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Hi Bruce,

> Is Spain not in Itally ????   ;)

:-)
The opposite could also be said, given that there are many Italians who
love Spain and have moved to live there.

Well in Italy there is a piece of many nations, there are many people who
love Italy and have come to live there.

Despite this, the rulers will always find a reason to make wars...

Regards

Gianluigi
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 30 10:25:06 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 09:25:06 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas wiki translate.
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 at 09:05, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Bruce,
>
> > Is Spain not in Itally ????   ;)
>
> :-)
> The opposite could also be said, given that there are many Italians who
> love Spain and have moved to live there.
>
> Well in Italy there is a piece of many nations, there are many people who
> love Italy and have come to live there.
>
> Despite this, the rulers will always find a reason to make wars...
>

Hehe i was only Joking
My mistake, sorry, I should have known you were itally  as my friend
GianPaulo (or gp as we call him) is Itallian

When you said this i got misled by you..
"But have you tried to do a new translation of a wiki page from English to
Spanish lately?"

That is why I thought you were Spanish translating.

It was a simple mistake that i think only that picorro moaned about because
he is so up himself lol ;)

I hope the sentiment of thanks has not been overmasked with his hubris
Good stuff to anyone who is actually making a difference and not just
talking about it :)

BruceS
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From vuott at tutanota.com  Fri Apr 30 15:59:38 2021
From: vuott at tutanota.com (vuott at tutanota.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 15:59:38 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Error 9 when i push red button "Stop" in IDE
Message-ID: <MZY3yL0--3-2@tutanota.com>

Hello,
if in the IDE I click on the red button "Stop" (...to stop the execution of a project), Gambas crashes !
I obtain a system error 9 and a message-window that you can see in attached file.

regards

????? About my system:

[System]
Gambas=3.16.90 6c79c18 (master)
OperatingSystem=Linux
Kernel=5.8.0-50-generic
Architecture=x86_64
Distribution=Linux Mint 20.1 Ulyssa
Desktop=CINNAMON
Font=Ubuntu,10
Scale=7
Theme=mint-y
Language=it_IT.UTF-8
Memory=5382M

[Libraries]
Cairo=libcairo.so.2.11600.0
Curl=libcurl.so.4.6.0
DBus=libdbus-1.so.3.19.11
GDK2=libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.32
GDK3=libgdk-3.so.0.2404.16
GStreamer=libgstreamer-1.0.so.0.1602.0
GTK+2=libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.32
GTK+3=libgtk-3.so.0.2404.16
OpenGL=libGL.so.1.7.0
Poppler=libpoppler.so.97.0.0
QT5=libQt5Core.so.5.12.8
SDL=libSDL-1.2.so.0.11.4
SQLite=libsqlite3.so.0.8.6

[Environment]
CINNAMON_VERSION=4.8.6
DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:path=/run/user/1000/bus
DESKTOP_SESSION=cinnamon
DISPLAY=:0
GB_GUI=gb.gtk3
GDMSESSION=cinnamon
GDM_LANG=it
GIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE=/usr/share/applications/gambas3.desktop
GIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE_PID=144874
GJS_DEBUG_OUTPUT=stderr
GJS_DEBUG_TOPICS=JS ERROR;JS LOG
GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID=this-is-deprecated
GPG_AGENT_INFO=/run/user/1000/gnupg/S.gpg-agent:0:1
GTK3_MODULES=xapp-gtk3-module
GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge
GTK_OVERLAY_SCROLLING=1
HOME=<home>
LANG=it_IT.UTF-8
LANGUAGE=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_ALL=it_IT.UTF-8
LOGNAME=<user>
PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin
PWD=<home>
QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1
QT_LOGGING_RULES=*.debug=false
QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=qt5ct
SESSION_MANAGER=local/<hostname>:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/874,unix/<hostname>:/tmp/.ICE-unix/874
SHELL=/bin/bash
SHLVL=0
SSH_AGENT_PID=950
SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/run/user/1000/keyring/ssh
TZ=:/etc/localtime
USER=<user>
XAUTHORITY=<home>/.Xauthority
XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/etc/xdg/xdg-cinnamon:/etc/xdg
XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=X-Cinnamon
XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/cinnamon:/usr/share/gnome:<home>/.local/share/flatpak/exports/share:/var/lib/flatpak/exports/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share
XDG_GREETER_DATA_DIR=/var/lib/lightdm-data/<user>
XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000
XDG_SEAT=seat0
XDG_SEAT_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Seat0
XDG_SESSION_CLASS=user
XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=cinnamon
XDG_SESSION_ID=c1
XDG_SESSION_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Session0
XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11
XDG_VTNR=7
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 30 16:21:23 2021
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 16:21:23 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Error 9 when i push red button "Stop" in IDE
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Le 30/04/2021 ? 15:59, vuott--- via User a ?crit?:
> Hello,
> if in the IDE I click on the red button "Stop" (...to stop the execution 
> of a project), Gambas crashes !
> I obtain a system error 9 and a message-window that you can see in 
> attached file.
> 
> regards

I'm currently working on that...

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Beno?t Minisini

From bagonergi at gmail.com  Fri Apr 30 17:46:36 2021
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:46:36 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Error 9 when i push red button "Stop" in IDE
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Il giorno ven 30 apr 2021 alle ore 16:22 Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com>
ha scritto:

> Le 30/04/2021 ? 15:59, vuott--- via User a ?crit :
> > Hello,
> > if in the IDE I click on the red button "Stop" (...to stop the execution
> > of a project), Gambas crashes !
> > I obtain a system error 9 and a message-window that you can see in
> > attached file.
> >
> > regards
>
> I'm currently working on that...
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
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>

Error also here:

gian at gian:~$ gambas3
TerminalView._Suspend.1505: #42: System error #9: Descrittore di file errato
TerminalView._Suspend.1505 TerminalView.Reset.245
FOutput.OnProjectDebugState.191 Design.SetState.111 Design.AfterStop.506
Design.Stop.563 FMain.Action_Activate.1472 ^Action.Raise.211
Errore di segmentazione

Regards
Gianluigi
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From isafiur at gmail.com  Fri Apr 30 19:51:23 2021
From: isafiur at gmail.com (Safiur Rahman)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 23:36:23 +0545
Subject: [Gambas-user] Rule to set form Height
Message-ID: <CADKn0TJAZjGb_4-LTPbyT+TFp9WT6oPqK3gbG0zdn=EBHh4Z9w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

In a module (Module1):

Private $DeskHeight As Integer = 1150 ''1200 ''1386 ''1100

Public Sub SetFromSize(frm As Form)

  Print CStr(Now()) & " : " & $DeskHeight
  frm.Height = $DeskHeight
  frm.Width = Screen.AvailableWidth
  frm.Left = 0
  frm.Top = 0

End

In a form:

Public Sub Form_Resize()

  Module1.SetFromSize(Me)

End

If form Height =1150 or 1200 then the procedure runs several times
If form Height = 1100 or 1386 then the process runs one or two times.

Is there any rule to set form height? I am using QT5.


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Safiur Rahman
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From bsteers4 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 30 21:59:37 2021
From: bsteers4 at gmail.com (Bruce Steers)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 20:59:37 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Rule to set form Height
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Your window changing command runs the Form_Resize() event again as it
resizes the form., the command becomes recursive.

You should try something like...
Public bResizing As Boolean

Public Form_Resize()

If bresizing Then Return

bResizing = True

Form.Width= wVal
Form.Height = hVal

bResizing = False
End

Or something like that, then if Form_Resize is called while it is manually
resizing it will not run again

possibly could do the same using
Object.Lock(Me)
' resize commands
Object.Unlock(Me)
BruceS



On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 at 18:52, Safiur Rahman <isafiur at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> In a module (Module1):
>
> Private $DeskHeight As Integer = 1150 ''1200 ''1386 ''1100
>
> Public Sub SetFromSize(frm As Form)
>
>   Print CStr(Now()) & " : " & $DeskHeight
>   frm.Height = $DeskHeight
>   frm.Width = Screen.AvailableWidth
>   frm.Left = 0
>   frm.Top = 0
>
> End
>
> In a form:
>
> Public Sub Form_Resize()
>
>   Module1.SetFromSize(Me)
>
> End
>
> If form Height =1150 or 1200 then the procedure runs several times
> If form Height = 1100 or 1386 then the process runs one or two times.
>
> Is there any rule to set form height? I am using QT5.
>
>
> --
> Regards
> Safiur Rahman
>
> ----[ http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/netiquette ]----
>
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