From shordi at gmail.com  Sun Sep  2 19:20:57 2018
From: shordi at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Carri=C3=B3n?=)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 19:20:57 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] What exactly does the Clear method in a GridView?
Message-ID: <CAOx-q9u0z6Pz7ee40FxgVGjZvNOhnGeyF3gfjzS7WzhGd7ZtuQ@mail.gmail.com>

The help says that "Clear the grid static contents".
What is this static content composed of?
Rows and columns size? Cell content? position on screen?

Best Regards
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Sun Sep  2 20:33:35 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 20:33:35 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] What exactly does the Clear method in a GridView?
In-Reply-To: <CAOx-q9u0z6Pz7ee40FxgVGjZvNOhnGeyF3gfjzS7WzhGd7ZtuQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOx-q9u0z6Pz7ee40FxgVGjZvNOhnGeyF3gfjzS7WzhGd7ZtuQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c4ef73ee-4bbd-6c3f-b54f-4eee26b23aba@gmail.com>

Le 02/09/2018 ? 19:20, Jorge Carri?n a ?crit?:
> The help says that "Clear the grid static contents".
> What is this static content composed of?
> Rows and columns size? Cell content? position on screen?
> 
> Best Regards
> 

Wait a minute, I'm looking into the source code... :-)

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Sun Sep  2 20:35:33 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 20:35:33 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] What exactly does the Clear method in a GridView?
In-Reply-To: <c4ef73ee-4bbd-6c3f-b54f-4eee26b23aba@gmail.com>
References: <CAOx-q9u0z6Pz7ee40FxgVGjZvNOhnGeyF3gfjzS7WzhGd7ZtuQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <c4ef73ee-4bbd-6c3f-b54f-4eee26b23aba@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <58c61269-d12c-81d4-88bc-bb14f4389b7d@gmail.com>

Le 02/09/2018 ? 20:33, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
> Le 02/09/2018 ? 19:20, Jorge Carri?n a ?crit?:
>> The help says that "Clear the grid static contents".
>> What is this static content composed of?
>> Rows and columns size? Cell content? position on screen?
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
> 
> Wait a minute, I'm looking into the source code... :-)
> 

It clears the contents that you defined explicitly (not what you draw 
through the Data event) and that is stored inside the GridView control. 
And it sets the rows count to zero. But it keeps the columns.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From shordi at gmail.com  Sun Sep  2 20:38:26 2018
From: shordi at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Carri=C3=B3n?=)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 20:38:26 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] What exactly does the Clear method in a GridView?
In-Reply-To: <58c61269-d12c-81d4-88bc-bb14f4389b7d@gmail.com>
References: <CAOx-q9u0z6Pz7ee40FxgVGjZvNOhnGeyF3gfjzS7WzhGd7ZtuQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <c4ef73ee-4bbd-6c3f-b54f-4eee26b23aba@gmail.com>
 <58c61269-d12c-81d4-88bc-bb14f4389b7d@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOx-q9vou-kBzkj7Fv_wEdTAR4NzYpZRqkccJxUurm+F8CaTeg@mail.gmail.com>

Ok. That is what I want to know.
Thank you very much for the answer Benoit.

Best Regards


El dom., 2 sept. 2018 a las 20:36, Beno?t Minisini (<g4mba5 at gmail.com>)
escribi?:

> Le 02/09/2018 ? 20:33, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
> > Le 02/09/2018 ? 19:20, Jorge Carri?n a ?crit :
> >> The help says that "Clear the grid static contents".
> >> What is this static content composed of?
> >> Rows and columns size? Cell content? position on screen?
> >>
> >> Best Regards
> >>
> >
> > Wait a minute, I'm looking into the source code... :-)
> >
>
> It clears the contents that you defined explicitly (not what you draw
> through the Data event) and that is stored inside the GridView control.
> And it sets the rows count to zero. But it keeps the columns.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 09:42:44 2018
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Me)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 17:12:44 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] Control widths, fonts, desktop scales,
 strings and a bad memory
Message-ID: <20180903171244.9014c737f598b0e9ee3cbc54@gmail.com>

In the back of my mind there is a tiny hope that some time ago someone had a way to (approximately) work out whether..
"Will this string fit into the current control width?"

Anyone out there with a good memory?

tia
b


From bagonergi at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 11:28:26 2018
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 11:28:26 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Control widths, fonts, desktop scales,
 strings and a bad memory
In-Reply-To: <20180903171244.9014c737f598b0e9ee3cbc54@gmail.com>
References: <20180903171244.9014c737f598b0e9ee3cbc54@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2rqFYXf_1bqT=8DJVpehdYA_LcbD9TW7K4MmReU=Xx5Wmdnw@mail.gmail.com>

Il giorno lun 3 set 2018 alle ore 09:43 Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com> ha scritto:

> In the back of my mind there is a tiny hope that some time ago someone had
> a way to (approximately) work out whether..
> "Will this string fit into the current control width?"
>
> Anyone out there with a good memory?
>
> tia
> b
>

Do you mean something like this?

Private $sString As String = "Will this string fit into the current control
width?"

Public Sub Form_Open()

  TextBox1.Text = $sString

End

Public Sub Form_Resize()

  Dim iWBox As Integer

  iWBox = TextBox1.W

  With TextBox1
    While .Font.TextWidth($sString) + 16 > iWBox
      .Font.Size -= 0.1
    Wend
  End With

End

Regards
Gianluigi


>
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 11:35:54 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 11:35:54 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Control widths, fonts, desktop scales,
 strings and a bad memory
In-Reply-To: <20180903171244.9014c737f598b0e9ee3cbc54@gmail.com>
References: <20180903171244.9014c737f598b0e9ee3cbc54@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e3a36d02-846c-7fb4-5484-c2d9d82080f5@gmail.com>

Le 03/09/2018 ? 09:42, Me a ?crit?:
> In the back of my mind there is a tiny hope that some time ago someone had a way to (approximately) work out whether..
> "Will this string fit into the current control width?"
> 
> Anyone out there with a good memory?
> 
> tia
> b
> 
> 

You can't, because you can't know where a control draws its text, how it 
draws it, and if it has a border, inner padding, and so on.

Some controls have an AutoResize property to deal with that for you.

Otherwise you must use the Control.Font.TextWidth() method and add some 
approximate padding.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From bagonergi at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 12:52:36 2018
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 12:52:36 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Control widths, fonts, desktop scales,
 strings and a bad memory
In-Reply-To: <e3a36d02-846c-7fb4-5484-c2d9d82080f5@gmail.com>
References: <20180903171244.9014c737f598b0e9ee3cbc54@gmail.com>
 <e3a36d02-846c-7fb4-5484-c2d9d82080f5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2rqFYVVoUWxxQcmwALHk4=1i_Sx-9XmRQKOZMTucdbcL=W6Q@mail.gmail.com>

Il giorno lun 3 set 2018 alle ore 11:36 Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com>
ha scritto:

> Le 03/09/2018 ? 09:42, Me a ?crit :
> > In the back of my mind there is a tiny hope that some time ago someone
> had a way to (approximately) work out whether..
> > "Will this string fit into the current control width?"
> >
> > Anyone out there with a good memory?
> >
> > tia
> > b
> >
> >
>
> You can't, because you can't know where a control draws its text, how it
> draws it, and if it has a border, inner padding, and so on.
>
> Some controls have an AutoResize property to deal with that for you.
>
> Otherwise you must use the Control.Font.TextWidth() method and add some
> approximate padding.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
>
I meant that.
See attached file

Regards
Gianluigi
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From hans at gambas-buch.de  Mon Sep  3 14:57:18 2018
From: hans at gambas-buch.de (Hans Lehmann)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 14:57:18 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Application.Name
In-Reply-To: <0f9de4ea-a33b-09de-c04d-1b4d4128f01b@osnanet.de>
References: <5f1af88b-bd29-5221-2ee2-04cf17881220@osnanet.de>
 <20180827161224.GD3358@highrise.localdomain>
 <49d60c60b96d495314c1207bc93e0b7a@tiscali.it>
 <27d1d2612bdb76d45f747b35c9c3804e@tiscali.it>
 <0f9de4ea-a33b-09de-c04d-1b4d4128f01b@osnanet.de>
Message-ID: <4d02b753-bbd5-582c-ceb1-472248ab9e78@gambas-buch.de>

Hello.

(1)
I create a project with the project name ?GetAppName?.

Code:

Public Sub Form_Open()
 ? Label1.Text = "Application.Name = " & Application.Name
End

(2)
Create executable file. The default name `GetAppName.gambas` is taken 
over with `OK`.
Close IDE.

(3)
Starting the executable file `GetAppName.gambas` results in the 
following name for the application:



(4)
Reopen the project with the project name ?GetAppName? in the IDE.
Create executable file. The default name `GetAppName.gambas` will be 
overwritten with ?get.app.name.gambas` and accepted with `OK`.
Close IDE.

(5)
Starting the executable file ?get.app.name.gambas` results in the 
following name for the application:



I had expected from the definition

/Application.Name (gb)//
//Static Property Read Name As String//
/*/Return the application name, as defined in the IDE project properties 
dialog./*

that the name of the application is `GetAppName` - as in the first 
picture, because I hadn't changed the name in the properties dialog in 
the IDE.

I noticed this strange, unexpected result when I used the value of the 
Application.Name property to create a directory ($sDataDirPath = 
Desktop.DataDir &/"gambas3" &/ Application.Name &/"data") in my home 
directory to export a database file. With the default executable name, 
the program worked as expected. After renaming the executable by 
changing all uppercase letters to lowercase and restarting the program 
from the project directory, a new directory was created and there was an 
empty database file. Great!

Is there an error in Gambas or is the error on my side?

With kind regards

Honsek
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 15:01:57 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 15:01:57 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Application.Name
In-Reply-To: <4d02b753-bbd5-582c-ceb1-472248ab9e78@gambas-buch.de>
References: <5f1af88b-bd29-5221-2ee2-04cf17881220@osnanet.de>
 <20180827161224.GD3358@highrise.localdomain>
 <49d60c60b96d495314c1207bc93e0b7a@tiscali.it>
 <27d1d2612bdb76d45f747b35c9c3804e@tiscali.it>
 <0f9de4ea-a33b-09de-c04d-1b4d4128f01b@osnanet.de>
 <4d02b753-bbd5-582c-ceb1-472248ab9e78@gambas-buch.de>
Message-ID: <961edcf4-27da-ac49-e081-3c520e803667@gmail.com>

Hi,

Can you please create a new thread instead of answering an unrelated one?

Thanks.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From hans at gambas-buch.de  Mon Sep  3 15:40:43 2018
From: hans at gambas-buch.de (Hans Lehmann)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 15:40:43 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Application.Name ?
Message-ID: <ebb70e8c-380a-4c2d-2066-e2cd7938c8f5@gambas-buch.de>

Hello.

(1)
I create a project with the project name ?GetAppName?.

Code:

Public Sub Form_Open()
 ? Label1.Text = "Application.Name = " & Application.Name
End

(2)
Create executable file. The default name `GetAppName.gambas` is taken 
over with `OK`.
Close IDE.

(3)
Starting the executable file `GetAppName.gambas` results in the 
following name for the application:



(4)
Reopen the project with the project name ?GetAppName? in the IDE.
Create executable file. The default name `GetAppName.gambas` will be 
overwritten with ?get.app.name.gambas` and accepted with `OK`.
Close IDE.

(5)
Starting the executable file ?get.app.name.gambas` results in the 
following name for the application:



I had expected from the definition

/Application.Name (gb)//
//Static Property Read Name As String//
/*/Return the application name, as defined in the IDE project properties 
dialog./*

that the name of the application is `GetAppName` - as in the first 
picture, because I hadn't changed the name in the properties dialog in 
the IDE.

I noticed this strange, unexpected result when I used the value of the 
Application.Name property to create a directory ($sDataDirPath = 
Desktop.DataDir &/"gambas3" &/ Application.Name &/"data") in my home 
directory to export a database file. With the default executable name, 
the program worked as expected. After renaming the executable by 
changing all uppercase letters to lowercase and restarting the program 
from the project directory, a new directory was created and there was an 
empty database file. Great!

Is there an error in Gambas or is the error on my side?

With kind regards

Honsek


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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 15:42:11 2018
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 09:42:11 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Application.Name
In-Reply-To: <961edcf4-27da-ac49-e081-3c520e803667@gmail.com>
References: <5f1af88b-bd29-5221-2ee2-04cf17881220@osnanet.de>
 <20180827161224.GD3358@highrise.localdomain>
 <49d60c60b96d495314c1207bc93e0b7a@tiscali.it>
 <27d1d2612bdb76d45f747b35c9c3804e@tiscali.it>
 <0f9de4ea-a33b-09de-c04d-1b4d4128f01b@osnanet.de>
 <4d02b753-bbd5-582c-ceb1-472248ab9e78@gambas-buch.de>
 <961edcf4-27da-ac49-e081-3c520e803667@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALci+FSyyi=aYqc_2h+M5ZHf094w1pXz8Z4yDD0aSjdeJRShDQ@mail.gmail.com>

2018-09-03 9:01 GMT-04:00 Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com>:

> Can you please create a new thread instead of answering an unrelated one?
>

umm i think that mail was a new thread, not and answering

and HYans, i think your mail has some missing letters/words i canot
understan those parts that said: "results in the following name for the
application:"
and then i not see any words for results until next step



> Thanks.
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
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From tmorehen at ajm-software.com  Mon Sep  3 15:26:31 2018
From: tmorehen at ajm-software.com (Tony Morehen)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 09:26:31 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Control widths, fonts, desktop scales,
 strings and a bad memory
In-Reply-To: <e3a36d02-846c-7fb4-5484-c2d9d82080f5@gmail.com>
References: <20180903171244.9014c737f598b0e9ee3cbc54@gmail.com>
 <e3a36d02-846c-7fb4-5484-c2d9d82080f5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a8e7c6f3-4b28-b3d1-c19b-f87386026a86@ajm-software.com>

AutoResize affects both the width and the height of a control. This 
makes it very useful when you are trying to fit a control to match an 
image.? However, this can mess up the vertical alignment of other 
controls such as textboxes.? Perhaps we could add an RestrictAutoResize 
property (restrict to Width, Height, Both, defaulting to both)

On 2018-09-03 4:35 a.m., Beno?t Minisini wrote:
> Le 03/09/2018 ? 09:42, Me a ?crit?:
>> In the back of my mind there is a tiny hope that some time ago 
>> someone had a way to (approximately) work out whether..
>> "Will this string fit into the current control width?"
>>
>> Anyone out there with a good memory?
>>
>> tia
>> b
>>
>>
>
> You can't, because you can't know where a control draws its text, how 
> it draws it, and if it has a border, inner padding, and so on.
>
> Some controls have an AutoResize property to deal with that for you.
>
> Otherwise you must use the Control.Font.TextWidth() method and add 
> some approximate padding.
>
> Regards,
>


From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 15:51:15 2018
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 09:51:15 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Install Gambas from PPA
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2rqFapmL4-XAdRTMYqBExPkfDPbUS5ws-pLDy=QMJgJyNLxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ2rqFapmL4-XAdRTMYqBExPkfDPbUS5ws-pLDy=QMJgJyNLxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALci+FT8j1KXKYT4AHR1U7SdOa+r3rza+a0Oqa4teY8eeEk8pQ@mail.gmail.com>

if you try thatr will crap your debian 9 install dependences.. use property
made repos:

https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/vegnuli:/gambas/Debian_9.0/

from venenux debian 9 ...

cat > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/venenuxgambas.list << EOF
deb
https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/vegnuli:/gambas/Debian_9.0/
/
EOF

apt-get update
apt-get -y install gambas3


Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2018-08-31 16:46 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:

> Hi Sebastian,
> I wanted to ask you a technical question: Who has Debian, can to install
> from PPA? For example, can we in Debian 9.5.0 Stretch to install from PPA
> Gambas3 3.11.4? If yes, how?
> I know that for example to compiling, the libraries to be installed in
> Ubuntu 18.04 are not exactly the same as Debian 9.5.0, although for the
> majority they are the same.
>
> Thank you very much
> Gianluigi
>
>
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 16:34:16 2018
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 16:34:16 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Install Gambas from PPA
In-Reply-To: <CALci+FT8j1KXKYT4AHR1U7SdOa+r3rza+a0Oqa4teY8eeEk8pQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ2rqFapmL4-XAdRTMYqBExPkfDPbUS5ws-pLDy=QMJgJyNLxA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALci+FT8j1KXKYT4AHR1U7SdOa+r3rza+a0Oqa4teY8eeEk8pQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2rqFb7UDv_hz+opt+QKF6jGa-_R0rLP0H3h6--Lvh1775w_A@mail.gmail.com>

Mine was just a curiosity, one day if I have time I will try to do it
personally.
If anyone is interested, here [0] I published a pdf file in Italian where
it is explained step by step how to compile Gembas3 on Debian 9.5.0 amd64
(desktop Gnome) and Debian 9.5.0 i386 (desktop Xfce).
With the translators on the network is accessible to everyone.
*Note*: You must be registered to the forum to download it.
Regards
Gianluigi
[0] http://www.gambas-it.org/smf/index.php?topic=6515.msg44259#msg44259


Il giorno lun 3 set 2018 alle ore 15:52 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
mckaygerhard at gmail.com> ha scritto:

> if you try thatr will crap your debian 9 install dependences.. use
> property made repos:
>
>
> https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/vegnuli:/gambas/Debian_9.0/
>
> from venenux debian 9 ...
>
> cat > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/venenuxgambas.list << EOF
> deb
> https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/vegnuli:/gambas/Debian_9.0/
> /
> EOF
>
> apt-get update
> apt-get -y install gambas3
>
>
> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>
> 2018-08-31 16:46 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi Sebastian,
>> I wanted to ask you a technical question: Who has Debian, can to install
>> from PPA? For example, can we in Debian 9.5.0 Stretch to install from PPA
>> Gambas3 3.11.4? If yes, how?
>> I know that for example to compiling, the libraries to be installed in
>> Ubuntu 18.04 are not exactly the same as Debian 9.5.0, although for the
>> majority they are the same.
>>
>> Thank you very much
>> Gianluigi
>>
>>
>> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
>>
>>
>
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 17:00:18 2018
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Me)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 00:30:18 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] Control widths, fonts, desktop scales,
 strings and a bad memory
In-Reply-To: <a8e7c6f3-4b28-b3d1-c19b-f87386026a86@ajm-software.com>
References: <20180903171244.9014c737f598b0e9ee3cbc54@gmail.com>
 <e3a36d02-846c-7fb4-5484-c2d9d82080f5@gmail.com>
 <a8e7c6f3-4b28-b3d1-c19b-f87386026a86@ajm-software.com>
Message-ID: <20180904003018.dc5f6eb8baaa1e68ecbb3927@gmail.com>

Thanks guys, I'm going to muck around with the Control.Font.TextWidth() function for a while to see if I can get what I want, which is

I want the control size, layout and font etc to stay the same. What I want to do is manipulate the displayed text from it's original length with ellipses on (possibly) 
both sides so the salient bit of the original text will fit in the control.  We get (text) messages that have a certain "payload" in them, Sometimes they are pre and 
post appended with random amounts of garbage. The idea was to locate the payload bit, or perhaps I could put that better "the suspected payload bit" in front 
of the user and have them confirm we are looking at the correct bit or not. (The payload bit is entered by human operators so it's not guaranteed to conform to 
any standard presentation. Further, the messages come from a number of different sender systems, so we have no control over how much junk is added to the
 message.)  The idea would be to find a chunk in the message that looks like it might be the payload and present that to the user for confirmation, sort of like 
this if I can make text into a picture:

Suspected payload: [ ... Vendor 60234 Lot 34 withdrawn 10:34AEST. message sent 10:42:16 fr ... ]

The bit we are after is "Vendor 60234 Lot 34 withdrawn" but it may have come in as "Vendor 60234 has withdrawn lot 34" or any other unimaginable way a person can type the same information, "We have withdrawn lot 34 on behalf of vendor J. Bloggs (60234)" etc etc.

When things get busy we get lots of these messages per minute. 80% are automatically handled but we need to speed up the manual handling of the remainder.  At the moment the user haas to scroll through the entire message to find the payload info and then reenter that info into a fomatted entry form. This is too slow.  

I'll get back later on this.
thanks
bruce

From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 17:14:23 2018
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Me)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 00:44:23 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] Application.Name ?
In-Reply-To: <ebb70e8c-380a-4c2d-2066-e2cd7938c8f5@gambas-buch.de>
References: <ebb70e8c-380a-4c2d-2066-e2cd7938c8f5@gambas-buch.de>
Message-ID: <20180904004423.7abe6526cf755b93d40c6773@gmail.com>

On Mon, 3 Sep 2018 15:40:43 +0200
Hans Lehmann <hans at gambas-buch.de> wrote:

> Hello.
> 
8< etc

> Is there an error in Gambas or is the error on my side?
> 

Well Hans,

I must admit that your query got me thinking and poking about inside executables etc,

In short, what is wrong is the help text.  Perhaps, instead of ...
	"Return the application name, as defined in the IDE project properties dialog."
 it should say...
	"Returns the name of the application being executed. This will be either the name of the executable if run outside the IDE or, if run from within the IDE, the name of the project directory as defined in the project creation dialog".

The short reason is that Application, as the help says "gives information about the currently running application" that is the executed .gambas archive not the source project information.

That "name" is stored nowhere that I can see, other than as the name of the exectable archive. So consider an installed version of the project, it will have no idea of what the original project name was.

(By the way, being able to create executable archives with different names is quite handy on many occassions. Say I want a project that can run eiher as a stand alone executable or to be used as a library.  Simple. create the standalone, say "MyProg.gambas", change the project type to Library and remake it as "MyLib.gambas". We have several other uses for the feature too.)

hth
-- 
b <adamnt42 at gmail.com>

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 17:20:25 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 17:20:25 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Control widths, fonts, desktop scales,
 strings and a bad memory
In-Reply-To: <20180904003018.dc5f6eb8baaa1e68ecbb3927@gmail.com>
References: <20180903171244.9014c737f598b0e9ee3cbc54@gmail.com>
 <e3a36d02-846c-7fb4-5484-c2d9d82080f5@gmail.com>
 <a8e7c6f3-4b28-b3d1-c19b-f87386026a86@ajm-software.com>
 <20180904003018.dc5f6eb8baaa1e68ecbb3927@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <85f0d23b-70de-a7b4-e92c-899b7e222dc6@gmail.com>

Le 03/09/2018 ? 17:00, Me a ?crit?:
> Thanks guys, I'm going to muck around with the Control.Font.TextWidth() function for a while to see if I can get what I want, which is
> 
> I want the control size, layout and font etc to stay the same. What I want to do is manipulate the displayed text from it's original length with ellipses on (possibly)
> both sides so the salient bit of the original text will fit in the control.  We get (text) messages that have a certain "payload" in them, Sometimes they are pre and
> post appended with random amounts of garbage. The idea was to locate the payload bit, or perhaps I could put that better "the suspected payload bit" in front
> of the user and have them confirm we are looking at the correct bit or not. (The payload bit is entered by human operators so it's not guaranteed to conform to
> any standard presentation. Further, the messages come from a number of different sender systems, so we have no control over how much junk is added to the
>   message.)  The idea would be to find a chunk in the message that looks like it might be the payload and present that to the user for confirmation, sort of like
> this if I can make text into a picture:
> 
> Suspected payload: [ ... Vendor 60234 Lot 34 withdrawn 10:34AEST. message sent 10:42:16 fr ... ]
> 
> The bit we are after is "Vendor 60234 Lot 34 withdrawn" but it may have come in as "Vendor 60234 has withdrawn lot 34" or any other unimaginable way a person can type the same information, "We have withdrawn lot 34 on behalf of vendor J. Bloggs (60234)" etc etc.
> 
> When things get busy we get lots of these messages per minute. 80% are automatically handled but we need to speed up the manual handling of the remainder.  At the moment the user haas to scroll through the entire message to find the payload info and then reenter that info into a fomatted entry form. This is too slow.
> 
> I'll get back later on this.
> thanks
> bruce
> 
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
> 

If you want to "ellipsize" a text, you can use Paint.TrimText() or 
Paint.TrimRichText() during a Paint.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From charlie at cogier.com  Mon Sep  3 17:56:43 2018
From: charlie at cogier.com (Charlie Ogier)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 16:56:43 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Install Gambas from PPA
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2rqFapmL4-XAdRTMYqBExPkfDPbUS5ws-pLDy=QMJgJyNLxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ2rqFapmL4-XAdRTMYqBExPkfDPbUS5ws-pLDy=QMJgJyNLxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f848a5ba-a20c-81ff-2443-b4ea6455f242@cogier.com>

Hi Gianluigi,

The internet says it is worth a go so try the following: -

*sudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:gambas-team/gambas3 && sudo apt-get 
update && sudo apt-get -y install gambas3 *

Charlie

On 31/08/18 21:46, Gianluigi wrote:
> Hi Sebastian,
> I wanted to ask you a technical question: Who has Debian, can to 
> install from PPA? For example, can we in Debian 9.5.0 Stretch to 
> install from PPA Gambas3 3.11.4? If yes, how?
> I know that for example to compiling, the libraries to be installed in 
> Ubuntu 18.04 are not exactly the same as Debian 9.5.0, although for 
> the majority they are the same.
>
> Thank you very much
> Gianluigi
>
>
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----

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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 19:31:39 2018
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 19:31:39 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Install Gambas from PPA
In-Reply-To: <f848a5ba-a20c-81ff-2443-b4ea6455f242@cogier.com>
References: <CAJ2rqFapmL4-XAdRTMYqBExPkfDPbUS5ws-pLDy=QMJgJyNLxA@mail.gmail.com>
 <f848a5ba-a20c-81ff-2443-b4ea6455f242@cogier.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2rqFZKABSO9FnhdhnpLpsZHvv=BAre3rUkFB0AnshS-_=eFQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Charlie,
thank you, as soon as I can, I try it.

Regards
Gianluigi

Il giorno lun 3 set 2018 alle ore 18:20 Charlie Ogier <charlie at cogier.com>
ha scritto:

> Hi Gianluigi,
>
> The internet says it is worth a go so try the following: -
>
> *sudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:gambas-team/gambas3 && sudo apt-get update
> && sudo apt-get -y install gambas3 *
>
> Charlie
>
> On 31/08/18 21:46, Gianluigi wrote:
>
> Hi Sebastian,
> I wanted to ask you a technical question: Who has Debian, can to install
> from PPA? For example, can we in Debian 9.5.0 Stretch to install from PPA
> Gambas3 3.11.4? If yes, how?
> I know that for example to compiling, the libraries to be installed in
> Ubuntu 18.04 are not exactly the same as Debian 9.5.0, although for the
> majority they are the same.
>
> Thank you very much
> Gianluigi
>
>
>
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
>
>
>
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 01:33:18 2018
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 02:33:18 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] Application.Name
In-Reply-To: <4d02b753-bbd5-582c-ceb1-472248ab9e78@gambas-buch.de>
References: <5f1af88b-bd29-5221-2ee2-04cf17881220@osnanet.de>
 <20180827161224.GD3358@highrise.localdomain>
 <49d60c60b96d495314c1207bc93e0b7a@tiscali.it>
 <27d1d2612bdb76d45f747b35c9c3804e@tiscali.it>
 <0f9de4ea-a33b-09de-c04d-1b4d4128f01b@osnanet.de>
 <4d02b753-bbd5-582c-ceb1-472248ab9e78@gambas-buch.de>
Message-ID: <CAFJMe7Tt2GXsV=gc_AOUN5A9a=7gE0Xfr9vRvCUstqA_73S--g@mail.gmail.com>

You might want to use Application.Title, but I agree that the documentation
is misleading. There isn't editable application name property, because it
comes from the directory name. Also the executable name is not in the
properties dialog.

Jussi

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 3:58 PM Hans Lehmann <hans at gambas-buch.de> wrote:

> Hello.
>
> (1)
> I create a project with the project name ?GetAppName?.
>
> Code:
>
> Public Sub Form_Open()
>   Label1.Text = "Application.Name = " & Application.Name
> End
>
> (2)
> Create executable file. The default name `GetAppName.gambas` is taken over
> with `OK`.
> Close IDE.
>
> (3)
> Starting the executable file `GetAppName.gambas` results in the following
> name for the application:
>
>
>
> (4)
> Reopen the project with the project name ?GetAppName? in the IDE.
> Create executable file. The default name `GetAppName.gambas` will be
> overwritten with ?get.app.name.gambas` and accepted with `OK`.
> Close IDE.
>
> (5)
> Starting the executable file ?get.app.name.gambas` results in the
> following name for the application:
>
>
>
> I had expected from the definition
>
> *Application.Name (gb)*
> *Static Property Read Name As String*
> *Return the application name, as defined in the IDE project properties
> dialog.*
>
> that the name of the application is `GetAppName` - as in the first
> picture, because I hadn't changed the name in the properties dialog in the
> IDE.
>
> I noticed this strange, unexpected result when I used the value of the
> Application.Name property to create a directory ($sDataDirPath =
> Desktop.DataDir &/"gambas3" &/ Application.Name &/"data") in my home
> directory to export a database file. With the default executable name, the
> program worked as expected. After renaming the executable by changing all
> uppercase letters to lowercase and restarting the program from the project
> directory, a new directory was created and there was an empty database
> file. Great!
>
> Is there an error in Gambas or is the error on my side?
>
> With kind regards
>
> Honsek
>
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 11:50:47 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 11:50:47 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Some quotes and rant
Message-ID: <e09125af-ef6e-ac58-4478-706a31c2d7a1@gmail.com>

Linux policy : "Never break the user space API!"

GTK+3 policy: "Always try to break the API as much as possible at each 
minor version so that nobody can write a GTK+ program that behaves 
correctly during more than one month. And if you can implement a feature 
with two levels of indirection, do that with ten levels, to make 
external developers unable to understand how things work, and to avoid 
any possibility of having a fast GUI".

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 11:52:26 2018
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Me)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 19:22:26 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] Control widths, fonts, desktop scales,
 strings and a bad memory
In-Reply-To: <20180904003018.dc5f6eb8baaa1e68ecbb3927@gmail.com>
References: <20180903171244.9014c737f598b0e9ee3cbc54@gmail.com>
 <e3a36d02-846c-7fb4-5484-c2d9d82080f5@gmail.com>
 <a8e7c6f3-4b28-b3d1-c19b-f87386026a86@ajm-software.com>
 <20180904003018.dc5f6eb8baaa1e68ecbb3927@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20180904192226.65b2e331908b86cb48b0f131@gmail.com>

Well, 12 working hours* later I have found an approximate solution!
1. Get the Control.Font.TextWidth(<text>) 
2. Divide that by the Len(<text>) giving a "magic" number - call it the average character width
3. Calculate a test value being ((Control.Width - Desktop.Scale) / $magic) being the number of average characters that might fit.
4. Subtract a safety margin from the test value (say 6 chars)
5. Truncate the text and add " ..."
6. Bingo! It fits!

Seems to work so far for a dozen or so fonts and font sizes I've tried. I built a little calculator while I was working through this. A 
couple of screen shots are attached.

*That 12 hours Included reading a lot of QT documentation! Talk about never use a sentence when a chapter will do.

Thanks for all the input.
b
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From tercoide at hotmail.com  Tue Sep  4 14:52:44 2018
From: tercoide at hotmail.com (Martin Cristia)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:52:44 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] External library location
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1536054781.10524.user@lists.gambas-basic.org>
References: <mailman.1.1536054781.10524.user@lists.gambas-basic.org>
Message-ID: <CY4PR22MB0088F1BD78E172E396F7D9ECC8030@CY4PR22MB0088.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Hi:

It is possible to use a .so file located at Application.path instead of 
usr/lib/ ?

How to set that up?

-- 
Saludos

Ing. Martin P Cristia


From chrisml at deganius.de  Tue Sep  4 15:37:06 2018
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 15:37:06 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Some quotes and rant
In-Reply-To: <e09125af-ef6e-ac58-4478-706a31c2d7a1@gmail.com>
References: <e09125af-ef6e-ac58-4478-706a31c2d7a1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3bb55e4b-d4d8-103e-82b3-88ba1b91458c@deganius.de>

Am 04.09.2018 um 11:50 schrieb Beno?t Minisini:
> Linux policy : "Never break the user space API!"
> 
> GTK+3 policy: "Always try to break the API as much as possible at each 
> minor version so that nobody can write a GTK+ program that behaves 
> correctly during more than one month. And if you can implement a feature 
> with two levels of indirection, do that with ten levels, to make 
> external developers unable to understand how things work, and to avoid 
> any possibility of having a fast GUI".

Great rant, very funny if it wasn't so disastrous.

Is the GTK port of Gambas very important? At the beginning I tried GTK
one time and then switched to QT. Never looked back.


Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 15:36:59 2018
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 15:36:59 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] External library location
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR22MB0088F1BD78E172E396F7D9ECC8030@CY4PR22MB0088.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <mailman.1.1536054781.10524.user@lists.gambas-basic.org>
 <CY4PR22MB0088F1BD78E172E396F7D9ECC8030@CY4PR22MB0088.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2rqFa25L-CA7cWoeTv=dyhbz3ac-wHPbFQFna8bLXFtQbdPQ@mail.gmail.com>

Certainly, I don't know how to do it because I don't know C, but here [0]
is explained how to do it.
Regards
Gianluigi
[0] http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/howto/extern
[1]
http://www.gambas-it.org/wiki/index.php?title=Guide_della_comunit%C3%A0#Interfacciare_Gambas_con_librerie_dinamiche_esterne_.so

Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 14:53 Martin Cristia <tercoide at hotmail.com>
ha scritto:

> Hi:
>
> It is possible to use a .so file located at Application.path instead of
> usr/lib/ ?
>
> How to set that up?
>
> --
> Saludos
>
> Ing. Martin P Cristia
>
>
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 15:45:53 2018
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 15:45:53 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Some quotes and rant
In-Reply-To: <3bb55e4b-d4d8-103e-82b3-88ba1b91458c@deganius.de>
References: <e09125af-ef6e-ac58-4478-706a31c2d7a1@gmail.com>
 <3bb55e4b-d4d8-103e-82b3-88ba1b91458c@deganius.de>
Message-ID: <CAJ2rqFb-FzP2qiJe1nevm1xHKtKmmqUMDYyB5yi5Oo=9F8PoNQ@mail.gmail.com>

Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 15:38 Christof Thalhofer <
chrisml at deganius.de> ha scritto:

> Am 04.09.2018 um 11:50 schrieb Beno?t Minisini:
> > Linux policy : "Never break the user space API!"
> >
> > GTK+3 policy: "Always try to break the API as much as possible at each
> > minor version so that nobody can write a GTK+ program that behaves
> > correctly during more than one month. And if you can implement a feature
> > with two levels of indirection, do that with ten levels, to make
> > external developers unable to understand how things work, and to avoid
> > any possibility of having a fast GUI".
>
> Great rant, very funny if it wasn't so disastrous.
>
> Is the GTK port of Gambas very important? At the beginning I tried GTK
> one time and then switched to QT. Never looked back.
>
>
:-) +1
Regards
Gianluigi
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 15:48:57 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 15:48:57 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Some quotes and rant
In-Reply-To: <3bb55e4b-d4d8-103e-82b3-88ba1b91458c@deganius.de>
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Le 04/09/2018 ? 15:37, Christof Thalhofer a ?crit?:
> Am 04.09.2018 um 11:50 schrieb Beno?t Minisini:
>> Linux policy : "Never break the user space API!"
>>
>> GTK+3 policy: "Always try to break the API as much as possible at each
>> minor version so that nobody can write a GTK+ program that behaves
>> correctly during more than one month. And if you can implement a feature
>> with two levels of indirection, do that with ten levels, to make
>> external developers unable to understand how things work, and to avoid
>> any possibility of having a fast GUI".
> 
> Great rant, very funny if it wasn't so disastrous.
> 
> Is the GTK port of Gambas very important? At the beginning I tried GTK
> one time and then switched to QT. Never looked back.
> 
> 
> Alles Gute
> 
> Christof Thalhofer
> 

I'm complaining because I just have spent hours to fix the gb.gtk3 
component, mainly the hacks that allows controls to have any size.

GTK+ developers have decided to change their drawing model.

OK, fine.

But instead on doing that in a major version (GTK+ 4 for example), they 
started to do that incrementally in GTK+3, breaking things at almost 
each minor versions.

For example, the widget themes configuration files had to be rewritten 
between GTK+ 3.18 and GTK+ 3.20.

And look at the size of that page:

http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/GTK%2B_3_issues

I don't say Gambas is perfect about backward-compatibility, but I hope I 
will keep being polite the day I meet a GTK+ developer...

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 17:52:18 2018
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 11:52:18 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] External library location
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err no one of the links answer the question of Martin

he ask for path not "how to implement"

i research at the two links and the wiki, *and (apart of the very dense
redaction without separations pauses or  paragraphs) *there's no such
related info about path loading of so external libraryes


Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2018-09-04 9:36 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:

> Certainly, I don't know how to do it because I don't know C, but here [0]
> is explained how to do it.
> Regards
> Gianluigi
> [0] http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/howto/extern
> [1] http://www.gambas-it.org/wiki/index.php?title=Guide_della_
> comunit%C3%A0#Interfacciare_Gambas_con_librerie_dinamiche_esterne_.so
>
> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 14:53 Martin Cristia <
> tercoide at hotmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> Hi:
>>
>> It is possible to use a .so file located at Application.path instead of
>> usr/lib/ ?
>>
>> How to set that up?
>>
>> --
>> Saludos
>>
>> Ing. Martin P Cristia
>>
>>
>> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
>>
>
>
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 17:57:32 2018
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 11:57:32 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Some quotes and rant
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Well, one way of doing business is to complicate things to cause
dependency, although I don't know what the business would be behind
complicating GTK+3, is it that developers are paid not to use the current
GTK stuff? (a great way to put garbage in the GNU way of softwre freedom)

Maybe it's time to have a version selector and keep two separate codes for
GTK3 < 3.18 and > 3.20?,

otherwise we'll break backwards compatibility, and it won't be possible to
gradually compile it for wheeze/jessie and many embedded linux (using very
recent versions severely impacts the performance of these small devices).

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2018-09-04 9:48 GMT-04:00 Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com>:

> Le 04/09/2018 ? 15:37, Christof Thalhofer a ?crit :
>
>> Am 04.09.2018 um 11:50 schrieb Beno?t Minisini:
>>
>>> Linux policy : "Never break the user space API!"
>>>
>>> GTK+3 policy: "Always try to break the API as much as possible at each
>>> minor version so that nobody can write a GTK+ program that behaves
>>> correctly during more than one month. And if you can implement a feature
>>> with two levels of indirection, do that with ten levels, to make
>>> external developers unable to understand how things work, and to avoid
>>> any possibility of having a fast GUI".
>>>
>>
>> Great rant, very funny if it wasn't so disastrous.
>>
>> Is the GTK port of Gambas very important? At the beginning I tried GTK
>> one time and then switched to QT. Never looked back.
>>
>>
>> Alles Gute
>>
>> Christof Thalhofer
>>
>>
> I'm complaining because I just have spent hours to fix the gb.gtk3
> component, mainly the hacks that allows controls to have any size.
>
> GTK+ developers have decided to change their drawing model.
>
> OK, fine.
>
> But instead on doing that in a major version (GTK+ 4 for example), they
> started to do that incrementally in GTK+3, breaking things at almost each
> minor versions.
>
> For example, the widget themes configuration files had to be rewritten
> between GTK+ 3.18 and GTK+ 3.20.
>
> And look at the size of that page:
>
> http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/GTK%2B_3_issues
>
> I don't say Gambas is perfect about backward-compatibility, but I hope I
> will keep being polite the day I meet a GTK+ developer...
>
> Regards,
>
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
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From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 18:47:55 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Control widths, fonts, desktop scales,
 strings and a bad memory
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well :

http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp/gb.qt4/paint/trimrichtext



Le mar. 4 sept. 2018 ? 11:53, Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Well, 12 working hours* later I have found an approximate solution!
> 1. Get the Control.Font.TextWidth(<text>)
> 2. Divide that by the Len(<text>) giving a "magic" number - call it the
> average character width
> 3. Calculate a test value being ((Control.Width - Desktop.Scale) / $magic)
> being the number of average characters that might fit.
> 4. Subtract a safety margin from the test value (say 6 chars)
> 5. Truncate the text and add " ..."
> 6. Bingo! It fits!
>
> Seems to work so far for a dozen or so fonts and font sizes I've tried. I
> built a little calculator while I was working through this. A
> couple of screen shots are attached.
>
> *That 12 hours Included reading a lot of QT documentation! Talk about
> never use a sentence when a chapter will do.
>
> Thanks for all the input.
> b
> --
> Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com>
>
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 19:12:50 2018
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 19:12:50 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] External library location
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It is actually explained.
However if the question is "I can indicate the Data folder with
Application.Path" the answer is as always *no*.
Copy the library from Data to a real folder such as */tmp* as explained in
a lesson.

Regards
Gianluigi

Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 17:53 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
mckaygerhard at gmail.com> ha scritto:

> err no one of the links answer the question of Martin
>
> he ask for path not "how to implement"
>
> i research at the two links and the wiki, *and (apart of the very dense
> redaction without separations pauses or  paragraphs) *there's no such
> related info about path loading of so external libraryes
>
>
> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>
> 2018-09-04 9:36 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>
>> Certainly, I don't know how to do it because I don't know C, but here [0]
>> is explained how to do it.
>> Regards
>> Gianluigi
>> [0] http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/howto/extern
>> [1]
>> http://www.gambas-it.org/wiki/index.php?title=Guide_della_comunit%C3%A0#Interfacciare_Gambas_con_librerie_dinamiche_esterne_.so
>>
>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 14:53 Martin Cristia <
>> tercoide at hotmail.com> ha scritto:
>>
>>> Hi:
>>>
>>> It is possible to use a .so file located at Application.path instead of
>>> usr/lib/ ?
>>>
>>> How to set that up?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Saludos
>>>
>>> Ing. Martin P Cristia
>>>
>>>
>>> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
>>>
>>
>>
>> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
>>
>>
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 20:15:53 2018
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 20:15:53 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] External library location
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A link to what writes vuott, he of these things is master.
http://www.gambas-it.org/smf/index.php?topic=6543.msg44330#msg44330

Regards
Gianluigi

Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 19:12 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> ha
scritto:

> It is actually explained.
> However if the question is "I can indicate the Data folder with
> Application.Path" the answer is as always *no*.
> Copy the library from Data to a real folder such as */tmp* as explained
> in a lesson.
>
> Regards
> Gianluigi
>
> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 17:53 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
> mckaygerhard at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> err no one of the links answer the question of Martin
>>
>> he ask for path not "how to implement"
>>
>> i research at the two links and the wiki, *and (apart of the very dense
>> redaction without separations pauses or  paragraphs) *there's no such
>> related info about path loading of so external libraryes
>>
>>
>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>
>> 2018-09-04 9:36 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Certainly, I don't know how to do it because I don't know C, but here
>>> [0] is explained how to do it.
>>> Regards
>>> Gianluigi
>>> [0] http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/howto/extern
>>> [1]
>>> http://www.gambas-it.org/wiki/index.php?title=Guide_della_comunit%C3%A0#Interfacciare_Gambas_con_librerie_dinamiche_esterne_.so
>>>
>>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 14:53 Martin Cristia <
>>> tercoide at hotmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>
>>>> Hi:
>>>>
>>>> It is possible to use a .so file located at Application.path instead of
>>>> usr/lib/ ?
>>>>
>>>> How to set that up?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Saludos
>>>>
>>>> Ing. Martin P Cristia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
>>>> ]----
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
>>>
>>>
>>
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 21:11:11 2018
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 22:11:11 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] Some quotes and rant
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It's a shame. GTK+ is very widely used and it makes me wonder what kind of
policy other developers have taken on it. Maybe there are some "secret"
tips how to deal with it GTK+ policy.


Jussi

On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 12:51 PM Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Linux policy : "Never break the user space API!"
>
> GTK+3 policy: "Always try to break the API as much as possible at each
> minor version so that nobody can write a GTK+ program that behaves
> correctly during more than one month. And if you can implement a feature
> with two levels of indirection, do that with ten levels, to make
> external developers unable to understand how things work, and to avoid
> any possibility of having a fast GUI".
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 21:17:16 2018
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 22:17:16 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] External library location
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Using library keyword is good idea, but using /tmp is not, because in some
systems it doesn't have executing permissions.
"/home/<user>/.local/" is better option.

Jussi


On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 9:17 PM Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:

> A link to what writes vuott, he of these things is master.
> http://www.gambas-it.org/smf/index.php?topic=6543.msg44330#msg44330
>
> Regards
> Gianluigi
>
> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 19:12 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
> ha scritto:
>
>> It is actually explained.
>> However if the question is "I can indicate the Data folder with
>> Application.Path" the answer is as always *no*.
>> Copy the library from Data to a real folder such as */tmp* as explained
>> in a lesson.
>>
>> Regards
>> Gianluigi
>>
>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 17:53 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>
>>> err no one of the links answer the question of Martin
>>>
>>> he ask for path not "how to implement"
>>>
>>> i research at the two links and the wiki, *and (apart of the very dense
>>> redaction without separations pauses or  paragraphs) *there's no such
>>> related info about path loading of so external libraryes
>>>
>>>
>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> 2018-09-04 9:36 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Certainly, I don't know how to do it because I don't know C, but here
>>>> [0] is explained how to do it.
>>>> Regards
>>>> Gianluigi
>>>> [0] http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/howto/extern
>>>> [1]
>>>> http://www.gambas-it.org/wiki/index.php?title=Guide_della_comunit%C3%A0#Interfacciare_Gambas_con_librerie_dinamiche_esterne_.so
>>>>
>>>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 14:53 Martin Cristia <
>>>> tercoide at hotmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi:
>>>>>
>>>>> It is possible to use a .so file located at Application.path instead
>>>>> of
>>>>> usr/lib/ ?
>>>>>
>>>>> How to set that up?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Saludos
>>>>>
>>>>> Ing. Martin P Cristia
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
>>>>> ]----
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
>>>> ]----
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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From tercoide at hotmail.com  Tue Sep  4 21:49:38 2018
From: tercoide at hotmail.com (Martin Cristia)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 19:49:38 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] External library location
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Tnx all, I wanted a permanent folder created at the first start so it 
was solved like...

Library "~/.myapp/Lib/libmatrix8-0.0.2"

with points to User.Home &/ the working folder on every PC

-- 
Saludos

Ing. Martin P Cristia


From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 21:57:07 2018
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Me)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 05:27:07 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] Control widths, fonts, desktop scales,
 strings and a bad memory
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On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 18:47:55 +0200
Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com> wrote:

> well :
> 
> http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp/gb.qt4/paint/trimrichtext
> 
> 

Can't Paint into "raw" QT controls like a TextBox.

-- 
Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com>

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 22:07:01 2018
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 16:07:01 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] External library location
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so then try now then:

Library User.Home &/ ".myapp/Lib/libmatrix8-0.0.2"

its better i think

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2018-09-04 15:49 GMT-04:00 Martin Cristia <tercoide at hotmail.com>:

> Tnx all, I wanted a permanent folder created at the first start so it
> was solved like...
>
> Library "~/.myapp/Lib/libmatrix8-0.0.2"
>
> with points to User.Home &/ the working folder on every PC
>
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 22:11:32 2018
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 16:11:32 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Some quotes and rant
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i think here we are enought people to make something at the GTK+ mailing
developers

i think if we explain, I believe we are enough here, if we all try to
explain and bring others to claim on the basis that the current policy of
constant change harms many other projects! also and that this may close the
doors to them as well as weaken the strength of the project they carry out.

we all togetter we can make some changes..

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2018-09-04 15:11 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:

> It's a shame. GTK+ is very widely used and it makes me wonder what kind of
> policy other developers have taken on it. Maybe there are some "secret"
> tips how to deal with it GTK+ policy.
>
>
> Jussi
>
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 12:51 PM Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Linux policy : "Never break the user space API!"
>>
>> GTK+3 policy: "Always try to break the API as much as possible at each
>> minor version so that nobody can write a GTK+ program that behaves
>> correctly during more than one month. And if you can implement a feature
>> with two levels of indirection, do that with ten levels, to make
>> external developers unable to understand how things work, and to avoid
>> any possibility of having a fast GUI".
>>
>> --
>> Beno?t Minisini
>>
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From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 22:13:42 +0200
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Le 04/09/2018 ? 21:57, Me a ?crit?:
> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 18:47:55 +0200
> Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> well :
>>
>> http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp/gb.qt4/paint/trimrichtext
>>
>>
> 
> Can't Paint into "raw" QT controls like a TextBox.
> 

Paint.TrimRichText() does not actually paint anything, it trims the text 
for you. It's in the class Paint because it need the current font size 
and the paint device resolution.

If I add the font as an argument, you will be able to use the function 
anywhere.

-- 
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From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 22:34:47 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] External library location
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Hi Jussi,
what you say about /tmp doesn't convince me and I don't know.
I think it's normal to use /tmp for examples, so it doesn't get dirty on
the filesystem.
There are many programs that "park" their temporary files in tmp.

Regards
Gianluigi

Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 21:18 Jussi Lahtinen <
jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Using library keyword is good idea, but using /tmp is not, because in some
> systems it doesn't have executing permissions.
> "/home/<user>/.local/" is better option.
>
> Jussi
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 9:17 PM Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A link to what writes vuott, he of these things is master.
>> http://www.gambas-it.org/smf/index.php?topic=6543.msg44330#msg44330
>>
>> Regards
>> Gianluigi
>>
>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 19:12 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>> ha scritto:
>>
>>> It is actually explained.
>>> However if the question is "I can indicate the Data folder with
>>> Application.Path" the answer is as always *no*.
>>> Copy the library from Data to a real folder such as */tmp* as explained
>>> in a lesson.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Gianluigi
>>>
>>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 17:53 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>
>>>> err no one of the links answer the question of Martin
>>>>
>>>> he ask for path not "how to implement"
>>>>
>>>> i research at the two links and the wiki, *and (apart of the very
>>>> dense redaction without separations pauses or  paragraphs) *there's no
>>>> such related info about path loading of so external libraryes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>
>>>> 2018-09-04 9:36 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Certainly, I don't know how to do it because I don't know C, but here
>>>>> [0] is explained how to do it.
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>> [0] http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/howto/extern
>>>>> [1]
>>>>> http://www.gambas-it.org/wiki/index.php?title=Guide_della_comunit%C3%A0#Interfacciare_Gambas_con_librerie_dinamiche_esterne_.so
>>>>>
>>>>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 14:53 Martin Cristia <
>>>>> tercoide at hotmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is possible to use a .so file located at Application.path instead
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> usr/lib/ ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How to set that up?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Saludos
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ing. Martin P Cristia
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> ]----
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From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 00:07:51 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] Control widths, fonts, desktop scales,
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Why width and height are as float? Aren't they in pixels?


Jussi

On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:14 PM Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Le 04/09/2018 ? 21:57, Me a ?crit :
> > On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 18:47:55 +0200
> > Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> well :
> >>
> >> http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp/gb.qt4/paint/trimrichtext
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Can't Paint into "raw" QT controls like a TextBox.
> >
>
> Paint.TrimRichText() does not actually paint anything, it trims the text
> for you. It's in the class Paint because it need the current font size
> and the paint device resolution.
>
> If I add the font as an argument, you will be able to use the function
> anywhere.
>
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>
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From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 00:10:06 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] External library location
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Yes, tmp is short for temporary, but as I said, it doesn't necessarily have
execution permissions. Thus it should be used only for temporary data, not
for executables.

Jussi

On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:36 PM Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jussi,
> what you say about /tmp doesn't convince me and I don't know.
> I think it's normal to use /tmp for examples, so it doesn't get dirty on
> the filesystem.
> There are many programs that "park" their temporary files in tmp.
>
> Regards
> Gianluigi
>
> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 21:18 Jussi Lahtinen <
> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> Using library keyword is good idea, but using /tmp is not, because in
>> some systems it doesn't have executing permissions.
>> "/home/<user>/.local/" is better option.
>>
>> Jussi
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 9:17 PM Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> A link to what writes vuott, he of these things is master.
>>> http://www.gambas-it.org/smf/index.php?topic=6543.msg44330#msg44330
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Gianluigi
>>>
>>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 19:12 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>>> ha scritto:
>>>
>>>> It is actually explained.
>>>> However if the question is "I can indicate the Data folder with
>>>> Application.Path" the answer is as always *no*.
>>>> Copy the library from Data to a real folder such as */tmp* as
>>>> explained in a lesson.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>
>>>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 17:53 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>>
>>>>> err no one of the links answer the question of Martin
>>>>>
>>>>> he ask for path not "how to implement"
>>>>>
>>>>> i research at the two links and the wiki, *and (apart of the very
>>>>> dense redaction without separations pauses or  paragraphs) *there's
>>>>> no such related info about path loading of so external libraryes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>
>>>>> 2018-09-04 9:36 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Certainly, I don't know how to do it because I don't know C, but here
>>>>>> [0] is explained how to do it.
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>> [0] http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/howto/extern
>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>> http://www.gambas-it.org/wiki/index.php?title=Guide_della_comunit%C3%A0#Interfacciare_Gambas_con_librerie_dinamiche_esterne_.so
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 14:53 Martin Cristia <
>>>>>> tercoide at hotmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is possible to use a .so file located at Application.path instead
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> usr/lib/ ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How to set that up?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Saludos
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ing. Martin P Cristia
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> ]----
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From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 23:38:20 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] External library location
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As far as I know tmp is a directory open to the world.
In all unix filesystems, this is the default setting: drwxrwxrwt.
That said, the administrator is free to do what he wants.

Regards & Goodnight
Gianluigi

Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 23:12 Jussi Lahtinen <
jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Yes, tmp is short for temporary, but as I said, it doesn't necessarily
> have execution permissions. Thus it should be used only for temporary data,
> not for executables.
>
> Jussi
>
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:36 PM Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jussi,
>> what you say about /tmp doesn't convince me and I don't know.
>> I think it's normal to use /tmp for examples, so it doesn't get dirty on
>> the filesystem.
>> There are many programs that "park" their temporary files in tmp.
>>
>> Regards
>> Gianluigi
>>
>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 21:18 Jussi Lahtinen <
>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>
>>> Using library keyword is good idea, but using /tmp is not, because in
>>> some systems it doesn't have executing permissions.
>>> "/home/<user>/.local/" is better option.
>>>
>>> Jussi
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 9:17 PM Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A link to what writes vuott, he of these things is master.
>>>> http://www.gambas-it.org/smf/index.php?topic=6543.msg44330#msg44330
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>
>>>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 19:12 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>>>> ha scritto:
>>>>
>>>>> It is actually explained.
>>>>> However if the question is "I can indicate the Data folder with
>>>>> Application.Path" the answer is as always *no*.
>>>>> Copy the library from Data to a real folder such as */tmp* as
>>>>> explained in a lesson.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>
>>>>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 17:53 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>>>
>>>>>> err no one of the links answer the question of Martin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> he ask for path not "how to implement"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i research at the two links and the wiki, *and (apart of the very
>>>>>> dense redaction without separations pauses or  paragraphs) *there's
>>>>>> no such related info about path loading of so external libraryes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2018-09-04 9:36 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Certainly, I don't know how to do it because I don't know C, but
>>>>>>> here [0] is explained how to do it.
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>> [0] http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/howto/extern
>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>> http://www.gambas-it.org/wiki/index.php?title=Guide_della_comunit%C3%A0#Interfacciare_Gambas_con_librerie_dinamiche_esterne_.so
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 14:53 Martin Cristia <
>>>>>>> tercoide at hotmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is possible to use a .so file located at Application.path
>>>>>>>> instead of
>>>>>>>> usr/lib/ ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How to set that up?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Saludos
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ing. Martin P Cristia
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 00:53:29 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] External library location
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Of course, but example Debian manual recommends mounting /tmp with noexec.

Jussi

On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:39 AM Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:

> As far as I know tmp is a directory open to the world.
> In all unix filesystems, this is the default setting: drwxrwxrwt.
> That said, the administrator is free to do what he wants.
>
> Regards & Goodnight
> Gianluigi
>
> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 23:12 Jussi Lahtinen <
> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> Yes, tmp is short for temporary, but as I said, it doesn't necessarily
>> have execution permissions. Thus it should be used only for temporary data,
>> not for executables.
>>
>> Jussi
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:36 PM Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jussi,
>>> what you say about /tmp doesn't convince me and I don't know.
>>> I think it's normal to use /tmp for examples, so it doesn't get dirty on
>>> the filesystem.
>>> There are many programs that "park" their temporary files in tmp.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Gianluigi
>>>
>>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 21:18 Jussi Lahtinen <
>>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>
>>>> Using library keyword is good idea, but using /tmp is not, because in
>>>> some systems it doesn't have executing permissions.
>>>> "/home/<user>/.local/" is better option.
>>>>
>>>> Jussi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 9:17 PM Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A link to what writes vuott, he of these things is master.
>>>>> http://www.gambas-it.org/smf/index.php?topic=6543.msg44330#msg44330
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>
>>>>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 19:12 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>>>>> ha scritto:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It is actually explained.
>>>>>> However if the question is "I can indicate the Data folder with
>>>>>> Application.Path" the answer is as always *no*.
>>>>>> Copy the library from Data to a real folder such as */tmp* as
>>>>>> explained in a lesson.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 17:53 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> err no one of the links answer the question of Martin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> he ask for path not "how to implement"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i research at the two links and the wiki, *and (apart of the very
>>>>>>> dense redaction without separations pauses or  paragraphs) *there's
>>>>>>> no such related info about path loading of so external libraryes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2018-09-04 9:36 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Certainly, I don't know how to do it because I don't know C, but
>>>>>>>> here [0] is explained how to do it.
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>> [0] http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/howto/extern
>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>> http://www.gambas-it.org/wiki/index.php?title=Guide_della_comunit%C3%A0#Interfacciare_Gambas_con_librerie_dinamiche_esterne_.so
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 14:53 Martin Cristia <
>>>>>>>> tercoide at hotmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is possible to use a .so file located at Application.path
>>>>>>>>> instead of
>>>>>>>>> usr/lib/ ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How to set that up?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Saludos
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ing. Martin P Cristia
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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From chrisml at deganius.de  Wed Sep  5 07:57:51 2018
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 07:57:51 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Some quotes and rant
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Am 04.09.2018 um 22:11 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz:

> i think here we are enought people to make something at the GTK+ mailing
> developers

I think that Beno?t's authority as the inventor of Gamabas should be
enough. But I also think, that the GTK people are not subscribed to our
mailinglist so it would be cool to post the rant to theirs so that they
can discuss that issue.


Alles Gute

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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Wed Sep  5 09:55:32 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
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Le 05/09/2018 ? 07:57, Christof Thalhofer a ?crit?:
> Am 04.09.2018 um 22:11 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz:
> 
>> i think here we are enought people to make something at the GTK+ mailing
>> developers
> 
> I think that Beno?t's authority as the inventor of Gamabas should be
> enough. But I also think, that the GTK people are not subscribed to our
> mailinglist so it would be cool to post the rant to theirs so that they
> can discuss that issue.
> 
> 
> Alles Gute
> 
> Christof Thalhofer
> 

Mmm, it's too late guys, I'm talking about versions that are already 
released. People can just hope that GTK+4 will be stable.

Moreover I think they don't care. Otherwise they would have been careful 
with backard-compatibility, as any other people developing libraries 
anywhere usually are.

-- 
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Wed Sep  5 10:23:24 2018
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Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 10:23:24 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] External library location
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I would like to clarify my thinking in this absurd "querelle" about the tmp
folder.
We are (+/-) programmers and we do a lot of testing.
If the folders created by our tests all end up in the home folder, maybe
hidden, after a while the folder would be a delirium.
I think it's a good suggestion to send our tests to a folder that really
exists in all filesystems and where the code can be tested (by everyone,
except those who have an administrator who has read the Debian manual :-) )
and that after while is cleaned up, I would recommend everyone to adopt
this system.
I don't think anyone can use this folder instead of User.Home &/ "." &
Application.Name.
I also add this, when, for help, we send our code to other programmers, if
the code provides for the creation of a folder, it is good education to
create it in tmp.

Regards
Gianluigi

Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 23:54 Jussi Lahtinen <
jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Of course, but example Debian manual recommends mounting /tmp with noexec.
>
> Jussi
>
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:39 AM Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As far as I know tmp is a directory open to the world.
>> In all unix filesystems, this is the default setting: drwxrwxrwt.
>> That said, the administrator is free to do what he wants.
>>
>> Regards & Goodnight
>> Gianluigi
>>
>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 23:12 Jussi Lahtinen <
>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>
>>> Yes, tmp is short for temporary, but as I said, it doesn't necessarily
>>> have execution permissions. Thus it should be used only for temporary data,
>>> not for executables.
>>>
>>> Jussi
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:36 PM Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jussi,
>>>> what you say about /tmp doesn't convince me and I don't know.
>>>> I think it's normal to use /tmp for examples, so it doesn't get dirty
>>>> on the filesystem.
>>>> There are many programs that "park" their temporary files in tmp.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>
>>>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 21:18 Jussi Lahtinen <
>>>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>>
>>>>> Using library keyword is good idea, but using /tmp is not, because in
>>>>> some systems it doesn't have executing permissions.
>>>>> "/home/<user>/.local/" is better option.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 9:17 PM Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A link to what writes vuott, he of these things is master.
>>>>>> http://www.gambas-it.org/smf/index.php?topic=6543.msg44330#msg44330
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 19:12 Gianluigi <
>>>>>> bagonergi at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is actually explained.
>>>>>>> However if the question is "I can indicate the Data folder with
>>>>>>> Application.Path" the answer is as always *no*.
>>>>>>> Copy the library from Data to a real folder such as */tmp* as
>>>>>>> explained in a lesson.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 17:53 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> err no one of the links answer the question of Martin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> he ask for path not "how to implement"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i research at the two links and the wiki, *and (apart of the very
>>>>>>>> dense redaction without separations pauses or  paragraphs) *there's
>>>>>>>> no such related info about path loading of so external libraryes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2018-09-04 9:36 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Certainly, I don't know how to do it because I don't know C, but
>>>>>>>>> here [0] is explained how to do it.
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>>> [0] http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/howto/extern
>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>> http://www.gambas-it.org/wiki/index.php?title=Guide_della_comunit%C3%A0#Interfacciare_Gambas_con_librerie_dinamiche_esterne_.so
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 14:53 Martin Cristia <
>>>>>>>>> tercoide at hotmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is possible to use a .so file located at Application.path
>>>>>>>>>> instead of
>>>>>>>>>> usr/lib/ ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How to set that up?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Saludos
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ing. Martin P Cristia
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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From hans at gambas-buch.de  Wed Sep  5 11:48:44 2018
From: hans at gambas-buch.de (Hans Lehmann)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 11:48:44 +0200
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Wed Sep  5 12:47:41 2018
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Il giorno mer 5 set 2018 alle ore 11:49 Hans Lehmann <hans at gambas-buch.de>
ha scritto:

> Hello,
>
> that's exactly how it is. For example, if you want to run a bash script
> after starting the runscript.gambas executable, you will get an error
> because all files in the project archive are read-only.
>
>
>
> That would be a proven way out:
>
> ' Gambas class file
>
> Public sScriptPath As String
> Public sTempScriptPath As String
>
> Public Sub Form_Open()
>
>   sScriptPath = "./data/test_script.sh"
>   sTempScriptPath = Temp(File.BaseName(sScriptPath))
>
>   Copy sScriptPath To sTempScriptPath
>   Chmod sTempScriptPath To "r-xr-xr-x"
>
> End
>
> Public Sub btnRunScript_Click()
>
>   Dim sStore As String
>
>   txaResult.Clear()
>   Shell sTempScriptPath To sStore
>   txaResult.Text = sStore
>
> End
>
> This way might also be the right one for a library.
>
> Regards,
>
> Hans
> www.gambas-book.net
>
>
>

Hi Hans,
the attached code, it works well for me.

Regards
Gianluigi
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Wed Sep  5 14:39:08 2018
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
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Subject: [Gambas-user] External library location
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Sure, for temporary tests /tmp is OK. My point was, if you cannot install
executables in lib folder, then it's the .local folder.
Btw it's not only Debian manual, but with quick googling also ArchWiki and
Red Hat STIG (Security Technical Implementation Guide).
There are also a lot of bug reports from putting executables in /tmp.

Jussi


On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 11:24 AM Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:

> I would like to clarify my thinking in this absurd "querelle" about the
> tmp folder.
> We are (+/-) programmers and we do a lot of testing.
> If the folders created by our tests all end up in the home folder, maybe
> hidden, after a while the folder would be a delirium.
> I think it's a good suggestion to send our tests to a folder that really
> exists in all filesystems and where the code can be tested (by everyone,
> except those who have an administrator who has read the Debian manual :-) )
> and that after while is cleaned up, I would recommend everyone to adopt
> this system.
> I don't think anyone can use this folder instead of User.Home &/ "." &
> Application.Name.
> I also add this, when, for help, we send our code to other programmers, if
> the code provides for the creation of a folder, it is good education to
> create it in tmp.
>
> Regards
> Gianluigi
>
> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 23:54 Jussi Lahtinen <
> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> Of course, but example Debian manual recommends mounting /tmp with noexec.
>>
>> Jussi
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:39 AM Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As far as I know tmp is a directory open to the world.
>>> In all unix filesystems, this is the default setting: drwxrwxrwt.
>>> That said, the administrator is free to do what he wants.
>>>
>>> Regards & Goodnight
>>> Gianluigi
>>>
>>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 23:12 Jussi Lahtinen <
>>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>
>>>> Yes, tmp is short for temporary, but as I said, it doesn't necessarily
>>>> have execution permissions. Thus it should be used only for temporary data,
>>>> not for executables.
>>>>
>>>> Jussi
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:36 PM Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jussi,
>>>>> what you say about /tmp doesn't convince me and I don't know.
>>>>> I think it's normal to use /tmp for examples, so it doesn't get dirty
>>>>> on the filesystem.
>>>>> There are many programs that "park" their temporary files in tmp.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>
>>>>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 21:18 Jussi Lahtinen <
>>>>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Using library keyword is good idea, but using /tmp is not, because in
>>>>>> some systems it doesn't have executing permissions.
>>>>>> "/home/<user>/.local/" is better option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 9:17 PM Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A link to what writes vuott, he of these things is master.
>>>>>>> http://www.gambas-it.org/smf/index.php?topic=6543.msg44330#msg44330
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 19:12 Gianluigi <
>>>>>>> bagonergi at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is actually explained.
>>>>>>>> However if the question is "I can indicate the Data folder with
>>>>>>>> Application.Path" the answer is as always *no*.
>>>>>>>> Copy the library from Data to a real folder such as */tmp* as
>>>>>>>> explained in a lesson.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 17:53 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>>>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> err no one of the links answer the question of Martin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> he ask for path not "how to implement"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> i research at the two links and the wiki, *and (apart of the very
>>>>>>>>> dense redaction without separations pauses or  paragraphs) *there's
>>>>>>>>> no such related info about path loading of so external libraryes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2018-09-04 9:36 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Certainly, I don't know how to do it because I don't know C, but
>>>>>>>>>> here [0] is explained how to do it.
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>>>> [0] http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/howto/extern
>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gambas-it.org/wiki/index.php?title=Guide_della_comunit%C3%A0#Interfacciare_Gambas_con_librerie_dinamiche_esterne_.so
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 14:53 Martin Cristia <
>>>>>>>>>> tercoide at hotmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It is possible to use a .so file located at Application.path
>>>>>>>>>>> instead of
>>>>>>>>>>> usr/lib/ ?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How to set that up?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Saludos
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ing. Martin P Cristia
>>>>>>>>>>>
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Wed Sep  5 15:24:29 2018
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 09:24:29 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Some quotes and rant
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2018-09-05 3:55 GMT-04:00 Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com>:

> Mmm, it's too late guys, I'm talking about versions that are already
> released. People can just hope that GTK+4 will be stable.
>
I am very sad and dismayed to read what you mention.
yeah we hope GTK+4 will be more stable but as we noted will be obviously
more heavy and will comes with unnecesary things


> Moreover I think they don't care. Otherwise they would have been careful
> with backard-compatibility, as any other people developing libraries
> anywhere usually are.

*I really want to thank you, really give you a big hug and express a big
appreciation to Benoit.* I know that although it is not the same but in my
case I use old things and you allow old things to still work with "Gambas", *we
have had differences with the ODBC module but really thanks to Gambas all
my machines and projects go no matter how old the linux is where I deploy
it or how old the machine is.*

*I'm going to give to all of you an real case, the Brazilian Daruma are
simple and small computers, theres no modern linux that install here
fine... but installing an old linux, some patches and "Gambas" compiled
against those old libraries everything is marvelous!*


>
>
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Wed Sep  5 15:53:13 2018
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 15:53:13 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] External library location
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Il giorno mer 5 set 2018 alle ore 13:38 Hans Lehmann <hans at gambas-buch.de>
ha scritto:

> Am 05.09.2018 um 12:47 schrieb Gianluigi:
>
> the attached code, it works well for me.
>
> Hello Gianluigi,
>
> the code:
>
> Try Copy "./libenoit.so" To "/tmp/libenoit.so"
> Wait
> If Error Then Return
>
> only works once in the IDE.
>
> Better would be:
>
> Public Sub Main()
>
>   Dim s As String
>
>   If Not Exist("/tmp/libenoit.so") Then
>     Try Copy "./libenoit.so" To "/tmp/libenoit.so"
>     Wait
>     If Error Then Return
>   Endif
>
>   s = "\n\e[31mBenoit know well the C language !\e[0m"
>   DecMinisini(s)
>
> End
>
> Yours sincerely
>
> Hans
>


Hi Hans,
thank you.
I'll tell you why I forgot your red code.
Because when I do the tests with tmp I am used to having the tmp folder
open and delete directly from there.
In any case, one must go in tmp folder to check the operation.
In this case that the output is for the console, the only way to see if the
program also works as executable you get it from the copy of the library
.so and the fact that you do not get error.
Should always be clear that these are just small demonstration examples,
not working programs.

Regards
Gianluigi
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Wed Sep  5 15:59:22 2018
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 15:59:22 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] External library location
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Hi Jussi,
your motivations are clear and mine are also clear.
I think we are free to do as we please.
And, like I just told Hans, should always be clear that these are just
small demonstration examples, not working programs.

Regards
Gianluigi

Il giorno mer 5 set 2018 alle ore 14:40 Jussi Lahtinen <
jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Sure, for temporary tests /tmp is OK. My point was, if you cannot install
> executables in lib folder, then it's the .local folder.
> Btw it's not only Debian manual, but with quick googling also ArchWiki and
> Red Hat STIG (Security Technical Implementation Guide).
> There are also a lot of bug reports from putting executables in /tmp.
>
> Jussi
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 11:24 AM Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I would like to clarify my thinking in this absurd "querelle" about the
>> tmp folder.
>> We are (+/-) programmers and we do a lot of testing.
>> If the folders created by our tests all end up in the home folder, maybe
>> hidden, after a while the folder would be a delirium.
>> I think it's a good suggestion to send our tests to a folder that really
>> exists in all filesystems and where the code can be tested (by everyone,
>> except those who have an administrator who has read the Debian manual :-) )
>> and that after while is cleaned up, I would recommend everyone to adopt
>> this system.
>> I don't think anyone can use this folder instead of User.Home &/ "." &
>> Application.Name.
>> I also add this, when, for help, we send our code to other programmers,
>> if the code provides for the creation of a folder, it is good education to
>> create it in tmp.
>>
>> Regards
>> Gianluigi
>>
>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 23:54 Jussi Lahtinen <
>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>
>>> Of course, but example Debian manual recommends mounting /tmp with
>>> noexec.
>>>
>>> Jussi
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:39 AM Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As far as I know tmp is a directory open to the world.
>>>> In all unix filesystems, this is the default setting: drwxrwxrwt.
>>>> That said, the administrator is free to do what he wants.
>>>>
>>>> Regards & Goodnight
>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>
>>>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 23:12 Jussi Lahtinen <
>>>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, tmp is short for temporary, but as I said, it doesn't necessarily
>>>>> have execution permissions. Thus it should be used only for temporary data,
>>>>> not for executables.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:36 PM Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jussi,
>>>>>> what you say about /tmp doesn't convince me and I don't know.
>>>>>> I think it's normal to use /tmp for examples, so it doesn't get dirty
>>>>>> on the filesystem.
>>>>>> There are many programs that "park" their temporary files in tmp.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 21:18 Jussi Lahtinen <
>>>>>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Using library keyword is good idea, but using /tmp is not, because
>>>>>>> in some systems it doesn't have executing permissions.
>>>>>>> "/home/<user>/.local/" is better option.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 9:17 PM Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A link to what writes vuott, he of these things is master.
>>>>>>>> http://www.gambas-it.org/smf/index.php?topic=6543.msg44330#msg44330
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 19:12 Gianluigi <
>>>>>>>> bagonergi at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is actually explained.
>>>>>>>>> However if the question is "I can indicate the Data folder with
>>>>>>>>> Application.Path" the answer is as always *no*.
>>>>>>>>> Copy the library from Data to a real folder such as */tmp* as
>>>>>>>>> explained in a lesson.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 17:53 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>>>>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> err no one of the links answer the question of Martin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> he ask for path not "how to implement"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> i research at the two links and the wiki, *and (apart of the
>>>>>>>>>> very dense redaction without separations pauses or  paragraphs) *there's
>>>>>>>>>> no such related info about path loading of so external libraryes
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2018-09-04 9:36 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Certainly, I don't know how to do it because I don't know C, but
>>>>>>>>>>> here [0] is explained how to do it.
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>>>>> [0] http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/howto/extern
>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gambas-it.org/wiki/index.php?title=Guide_della_comunit%C3%A0#Interfacciare_Gambas_con_librerie_dinamiche_esterne_.so
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 14:53 Martin Cristia <
>>>>>>>>>>> tercoide at hotmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It is possible to use a .so file located at Application.path
>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of
>>>>>>>>>>>> usr/lib/ ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How to set that up?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Saludos
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ing. Martin P Cristia
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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From vuott at tiscali.it  Wed Sep  5 18:08:07 2018
From: vuott at tiscali.it (vuott at tiscali.it)
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2018 18:08:07 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] External library location
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Did you try it ? 
vuott 

Il 04.09.2018 22:07 PICCORO McKAY Lenz ha
scritto: 

> so then try now then:
> 
> Library User.Home &/
".myapp/Lib/libmatrix8-0.0.2"
> 
> its better i think 
> 
> Lenz McKAY
Gerardo (PICCORO) 
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com [2] 
> 
>
2018-09-04 15:49 GMT-04:00 Martin Cristia :
> 
>> Tnx all, I wanted a
permanent folder created at the first start so it 
>> was solved
like...
>> 
>> Library "~/.myapp/Lib/libmatrix8-0.0.2"
>> 
>> with
points to User.Home &/ the working folder on every PC
>> 
>> -- 
>>
Saludos
>> 
>> Ing. Martin P Cristia
>> 
>> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is
hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net [1] ]----
  


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From ub2 at gmx.ch  Wed Sep  5 20:24:30 2018
From: ub2 at gmx.ch (ub2 at gmx.ch)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 20:24:30 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Global GUI-Scale ? (Control-size & -Pos varies in
 different HW)
In-Reply-To: <ecab20b8-f247-11a3-b41b-39904d822576@gmx.ch>
References: <ecab20b8-f247-11a3-b41b-39904d822576@gmx.ch>
Message-ID: <a0ec462f-55c1-3cd6-17a3-b20995bf2315@gmx.ch>


Dear Gambas cracks


Already struggling quite a while in vain with code, preferences and in
the internet, I'd like to ask for some good ideas here.


I'm using Gambas programs on different Hardware:
HW-1) on a Notebook with ext. Monitor:
	Gambas=3.11.4,
	Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS,
	Desktop=XFCE
	Resolution:1920x1080 + 1920x1200
HW-2) on a Raspberry 3B with an ext. Monitor:
	Gambas=3.9.1,
	Distribution=debian 9.4,
	Desktop=LXDE
	Resolution:1680x1050
HW-3) on a Nexus4 with UBPorts, OTA-4, Libertine
	... in work


What I do not understand:
- Why are Gambas-forms not shown similar* on both platforms?
	... not even in the IDE's?

*Control-position and size with the same amount of Pixels
	(see also attached Screenshots)


What I'm hoping to find:
- Is there a kind of "Global GUI-Scale" in Gambas available?
- Would that allow to scale "GUIs" in a simple manner to different
Hardware-resolutions ? 	
(eg: Notebook, Pi-Display, Pi-extMon, Smartphone, ...?)


Any help (Ideas, links, keywords, ...) would be very appreciated.


For "Demo-GUI with 2 Controls" and further System-Details see attached
program. 	(GlobalGuiScale_180905a_Forum.tar.gz)


Thanks for your help.
(... and for Gambas!)


ub2

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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Wed Sep  5 20:35:18 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 20:35:18 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Global GUI-Scale ? (Control-size & -Pos varies in
 different HW)
In-Reply-To: <a0ec462f-55c1-3cd6-17a3-b20995bf2315@gmx.ch>
References: <ecab20b8-f247-11a3-b41b-39904d822576@gmx.ch>
 <a0ec462f-55c1-3cd6-17a3-b20995bf2315@gmx.ch>
Message-ID: <a88cc474-096e-b149-18ae-b68ffa6c7a7a@gmail.com>

Le 05/09/2018 ? 20:24, ub2 at gmx.ch a ?crit?:
> 
> Dear Gambas cracks
> 
> 
> Already struggling quite a while in vain with code, preferences and in
> the internet, I'd like to ask for some good ideas here.
> 
> 
> I'm using Gambas programs on different Hardware:
> HW-1) on a Notebook with ext. Monitor:
> 	Gambas=3.11.4,
> 	Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS,
> 	Desktop=XFCE
> 	Resolution:1920x1080 + 1920x1200
> HW-2) on a Raspberry 3B with an ext. Monitor:
> 	Gambas=3.9.1,
> 	Distribution=debian 9.4,
> 	Desktop=LXDE
> 	Resolution:1680x1050
> HW-3) on a Nexus4 with UBPorts, OTA-4, Libertine
> 	... in work
> 
> 
> What I do not understand:
> - Why are Gambas-forms not shown similar* on both platforms?
> 	... not even in the IDE's?
> 
> *Control-position and size with the same amount of Pixels
> 	(see also attached Screenshots)
> 
> 
> What I'm hoping to find:
> - Is there a kind of "Global GUI-Scale" in Gambas available?
> - Would that allow to scale "GUIs" in a simple manner to different
> Hardware-resolutions ? 	
> (eg: Notebook, Pi-Display, Pi-extMon, Smartphone, ...?)
> 
> 
> Any help (Ideas, links, keywords, ...) would be very appreciated.
> 
> 
> For "Demo-GUI with 2 Controls" and further System-Details see attached
> program. 	(GlobalGuiScale_180905a_Forum.tar.gz)
> 
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> (... and for Gambas!)
> 
> 
> ub2
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
> 

The GUI defined from the form editor scales proportionnaly to the 
default font height (the scale is the Desktop.Scale property).

The idea behind is that the user usally choose a default font size 
according to its screen and the resolution of that screen.

If the default font height on two different systems have the same height 
in pixels, then the dimensions of the controls will be the same in 
pixels too.

If you don't want a form to follow that behaviour, use the 'Scaled' IDE 
property (it is not a real property actually).

I strongly discourage using that property! Otherwise your GUI won't 
adapt to the font used by the user of your application.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Wed Sep  5 20:36:04 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 20:36:04 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Global GUI-Scale ? (Control-size & -Pos varies in
 different HW)
In-Reply-To: <a88cc474-096e-b149-18ae-b68ffa6c7a7a@gmail.com>
References: <ecab20b8-f247-11a3-b41b-39904d822576@gmx.ch>
 <a0ec462f-55c1-3cd6-17a3-b20995bf2315@gmx.ch>
 <a88cc474-096e-b149-18ae-b68ffa6c7a7a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <59cc9035-68e1-74ff-4bb1-2edc8e0311f8@gmail.com>

Le 05/09/2018 ? 20:35, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
> 
> The GUI defined from the form editor scales proportionnaly to the 
> default font height (the scale is the Desktop.Scale property).
> 
> The idea behind is that the user usally choose a default font size 
> according to its screen and the resolution of that screen.
> 
> If the default font height on two different systems have the same height 
> in pixels, then the dimensions of the controls will be the same in 
> pixels too.

--> The dimensions *and* the positions. They both scale.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Wed Sep  5 21:18:57 2018
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 22:18:57 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] Global GUI-Scale ? (Control-size & -Pos varies in
 different HW)
In-Reply-To: <a0ec462f-55c1-3cd6-17a3-b20995bf2315@gmx.ch>
References: <ecab20b8-f247-11a3-b41b-39904d822576@gmx.ch>
 <a0ec462f-55c1-3cd6-17a3-b20995bf2315@gmx.ch>
Message-ID: <CAFJMe7SWRjbpgT47=h+hLDmgXExr9vTfa4WSrjLdzBwrf=kWxg@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps your different Desktops also have different themes? Thus the forms
shouldn't be exactly the same.

Jussi

On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 9:25 PM ub2 at gmx.ch <ub2 at gmx.ch> wrote:

>
> Dear Gambas cracks
>
>
> Already struggling quite a while in vain with code, preferences and in
> the internet, I'd like to ask for some good ideas here.
>
>
> I'm using Gambas programs on different Hardware:
> HW-1) on a Notebook with ext. Monitor:
>         Gambas=3.11.4,
>         Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS,
>         Desktop=XFCE
>         Resolution:1920x1080 + 1920x1200
> HW-2) on a Raspberry 3B with an ext. Monitor:
>         Gambas=3.9.1,
>         Distribution=debian 9.4,
>         Desktop=LXDE
>         Resolution:1680x1050
> HW-3) on a Nexus4 with UBPorts, OTA-4, Libertine
>         ... in work
>
>
> What I do not understand:
> - Why are Gambas-forms not shown similar* on both platforms?
>         ... not even in the IDE's?
>
> *Control-position and size with the same amount of Pixels
>         (see also attached Screenshots)
>
>
> What I'm hoping to find:
> - Is there a kind of "Global GUI-Scale" in Gambas available?
> - Would that allow to scale "GUIs" in a simple manner to different
> Hardware-resolutions ?
> (eg: Notebook, Pi-Display, Pi-extMon, Smartphone, ...?)
>
>
> Any help (Ideas, links, keywords, ...) would be very appreciated.
>
>
> For "Demo-GUI with 2 Controls" and further System-Details see attached
> program.        (GlobalGuiScale_180905a_Forum.tar.gz)
>
>
> Thanks for your help.
> (... and for Gambas!)
>
>
> ub2
>
>
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
>
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From ub2 at gmx.ch  Wed Sep  5 21:46:01 2018
From: ub2 at gmx.ch (ub2 at gmx.ch)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 21:46:01 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Global GUI-Scale ? (Control-size & -Pos varies in
 different HW)
In-Reply-To: <CAFJMe7SWRjbpgT47=h+hLDmgXExr9vTfa4WSrjLdzBwrf=kWxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ecab20b8-f247-11a3-b41b-39904d822576@gmx.ch>
 <a0ec462f-55c1-3cd6-17a3-b20995bf2315@gmx.ch>
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Dear Jussi

Another good point, I'll check that too.

Beno?t's hint already brought me back to "lisible forms":
> The GUI defined from the form editor scales proportionnaly to the
default font height (the scale is the Desktop.Scale property).
>
> The idea behind is that the user usally choose a default font size
according to its screen and the resolution of that screen.
>
> If the default font height on two different systems have the same
height in pixels, then the dimensions of the controls will be the same
in pixels too.
> --> The dimensions *and* the positions. They both scale.

Thank you both for your help.

ub2

Am 05.09.2018 um 21:18 schrieb Jussi Lahtinen:
> Perhaps your different Desktops also have different themes? Thus the
> forms shouldn't be exactly the same.
> 
> Jussi
> 
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 9:25 PM ub2 at gmx.ch <mailto:ub2 at gmx.ch>
> <ub2 at gmx.ch <mailto:ub2 at gmx.ch>> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Dear Gambas cracks
> 
> 
>     Already struggling quite a while in vain with code, preferences and in
>     the internet, I'd like to ask for some good ideas here.
> 
> 
>     I'm using Gambas programs on different Hardware:
>     HW-1) on a Notebook with ext. Monitor:
>     ? ? ? ? Gambas=3.11.4,
>     ? ? ? ? Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS,
>     ? ? ? ? Desktop=XFCE
>     ? ? ? ? Resolution:1920x1080 + 1920x1200
>     HW-2) on a Raspberry 3B with an ext. Monitor:
>     ? ? ? ? Gambas=3.9.1,
>     ? ? ? ? Distribution=debian 9.4,
>     ? ? ? ? Desktop=LXDE
>     ? ? ? ? Resolution:1680x1050
>     HW-3) on a Nexus4 with UBPorts, OTA-4, Libertine
>     ? ? ? ? ... in work
> 
> 
>     What I do not understand:
>     - Why are Gambas-forms not shown similar* on both platforms?
>     ? ? ? ? ... not even in the IDE's?
> 
>     *Control-position and size with the same amount of Pixels
>     ? ? ? ? (see also attached Screenshots)
> 
> 
>     What I'm hoping to find:
>     - Is there a kind of "Global GUI-Scale" in Gambas available?
>     - Would that allow to scale "GUIs" in a simple manner to different
>     Hardware-resolutions ??
>     (eg: Notebook, Pi-Display, Pi-extMon, Smartphone, ...?)
> 
> 
>     Any help (Ideas, links, keywords, ...) would be very appreciated.
> 
> 
>     For "Demo-GUI with 2 Controls" and further System-Details see attached
>     program.? ? ? ? (GlobalGuiScale_180905a_Forum.tar.gz)
> 
> 
>     Thanks for your help.
>     (... and for Gambas!)
> 
> 
>     ub2
> 
> 
>     ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
> 

From bagonergi at gmail.com  Wed Sep  5 22:33:33 2018
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 22:33:33 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Global GUI-Scale ? (Control-size & -Pos varies in
 different HW)
In-Reply-To: <a0ec462f-55c1-3cd6-17a3-b20995bf2315@gmx.ch>
References: <ecab20b8-f247-11a3-b41b-39904d822576@gmx.ch>
 <a0ec462f-55c1-3cd6-17a3-b20995bf2315@gmx.ch>
Message-ID: <CAJ2rqFZPgCUVGdnxpNrvvfVssqKXXHnosAY9Yi9LY6KD4k93Eg@mail.gmail.com>

How do you see this (see attachment) with different desktops and themes?

Regards
Gianluigi

Il giorno mer 5 set 2018 alle ore 20:25 ub2 at gmx.ch <ub2 at gmx.ch> ha scritto:

>
> Dear Gambas cracks
>
>
> Already struggling quite a while in vain with code, preferences and in
> the internet, I'd like to ask for some good ideas here.
>
>
> I'm using Gambas programs on different Hardware:
> HW-1) on a Notebook with ext. Monitor:
>         Gambas=3.11.4,
>         Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS,
>         Desktop=XFCE
>         Resolution:1920x1080 + 1920x1200
> HW-2) on a Raspberry 3B with an ext. Monitor:
>         Gambas=3.9.1,
>         Distribution=debian 9.4,
>         Desktop=LXDE
>         Resolution:1680x1050
> HW-3) on a Nexus4 with UBPorts, OTA-4, Libertine
>         ... in work
>
>
> What I do not understand:
> - Why are Gambas-forms not shown similar* on both platforms?
>         ... not even in the IDE's?
>
> *Control-position and size with the same amount of Pixels
>         (see also attached Screenshots)
>
>
> What I'm hoping to find:
> - Is there a kind of "Global GUI-Scale" in Gambas available?
> - Would that allow to scale "GUIs" in a simple manner to different
> Hardware-resolutions ?
> (eg: Notebook, Pi-Display, Pi-extMon, Smartphone, ...?)
>
>
> Any help (Ideas, links, keywords, ...) would be very appreciated.
>
>
> For "Demo-GUI with 2 Controls" and further System-Details see attached
> program.        (GlobalGuiScale_180905a_Forum.tar.gz)
>
>
> Thanks for your help.
> (... and for Gambas!)
>
>
> ub2
>
>
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
>
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From chrisml at deganius.de  Thu Sep  6 07:46:53 2018
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 07:46:53 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] External library location
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Am 05.09.2018 um 14:39 schrieb Jussi Lahtinen:
> Sure, for temporary tests /tmp is OK. My point was, if you cannot
> install executables in lib folder, then it's the .local folder.
> Btw it's not only Debian manual, but with quick googling also ArchWiki
> and Red Hat STIG (Security Technical Implementation Guide).
> There are also a lot of bug reports from putting executables in /tmp.

ACK. /tmp is a bad place for libs. Its name alone says it. It is
temporary, and can be even used from other programs as well and in
secure environments there should be no executables allowed.

For a system-wide installation aside of the distribution I would prefer

/usr/local/(share|lib)/$vendorname/

or

/usr/(share|lib)/$vendorname/
(this is what I use for my programs)

For a installation in the homedir I use
~/.local/(share|lib)/$vendorname/


Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

-- 
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Thu Sep  6 08:35:27 2018
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Adam Ant)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 16:05:27 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] Switching gui component from user's config file
Message-ID: <CAJG1rwbjn8-zcP+hAzff7qf5_NwjRHCy8xoOfTLBVC1G1=g_YA@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a way to select the gui component at runtime from a setting in the
user's config file?

This is for an installed gambas executable archive. It uses the gb.gui.qt
component but...
I prefer qt4, "she" prefers qt5. So rather than have to set up specific
scripts in each login I'd
like to be able to set a "Preferred GUI" in the .config file.

N.B. We cannot use a permanent env setting for her login as she does a lot
of testing and needs
to swap between the different components. This is just for one of our
utility programs that would
always use her preferred GUI.

tia
b
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Sep  6 08:39:45 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 08:39:45 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Switching gui component from user's config file
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Le 06/09/2018 ? 08:35, Adam Ant a ?crit?:
> Is there a way to select the gui component at runtime from a setting in 
> the user's config file?
> 
> This is for an installed gambas executable archive. It uses the 
> gb.gui.qt component but...
> I prefer qt4, "she" prefers qt5. So rather than have to set up specific 
> scripts in each login I'd
> like to be able to set a "Preferred GUI" in the .config file.
> 
> N.B. We cannot use a permanent env setting for her login as she does a 
> lot of testing and needs
> to swap between the different components. This is just for one of our 
> utility programs that would
> always use her preferred GUI.
> 
> tia
> b
> 
> 
> 
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> 

At the moment the GUI can be set in an environment variable only.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From ub2 at gmx.ch  Thu Sep  6 08:54:28 2018
From: ub2 at gmx.ch (ub2 at gmx.ch)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 08:54:28 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Global GUI-Scale ? Solved, Thanks to all.
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2rqFZPgCUVGdnxpNrvvfVssqKXXHnosAY9Yi9LY6KD4k93Eg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ecab20b8-f247-11a3-b41b-39904d822576@gmx.ch>
 <a0ec462f-55c1-3cd6-17a3-b20995bf2315@gmx.ch>
 <CAJ2rqFZPgCUVGdnxpNrvvfVssqKXXHnosAY9Yi9LY6KD4k93Eg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0c626f38-caca-d7c4-bab6-74e02f0cf508@gmx.ch>

Dear Gianluigi


Thanks to the hint of Beno?t and Jussi this issue is already solved.
- Benoit: default font height of system scales ctrl-size and -position
- Jussi: themes

But answering your question, the control in your form shows up in the
IDE with the Standard-Gambas-Theme like this:
	X=21 Y=105
	W=84 H=224

Again, thanks all for very quick support and for Gambas in general.

ub2


Am 05.09.2018 um 22:33 schrieb Gianluigi:
> How do you see this (see attachment) with different desktops and themes?
> 
> Regards
> Gianluigi
> 
> Il giorno mer 5 set 2018 alle ore 20:25 ub2 at gmx.ch <mailto:ub2 at gmx.ch>
> <ub2 at gmx.ch <mailto:ub2 at gmx.ch>> ha scritto:
> 
> 
>     Dear Gambas cracks
> 
> 
>     Already struggling quite a while in vain with code, preferences and in
>     the internet, I'd like to ask for some good ideas here.
> 
> 
>     I'm using Gambas programs on different Hardware:
>     HW-1) on a Notebook with ext. Monitor:
>     ? ? ? ? Gambas=3.11.4,
>     ? ? ? ? Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS,
>     ? ? ? ? Desktop=XFCE
>     ? ? ? ? Resolution:1920x1080 + 1920x1200
>     HW-2) on a Raspberry 3B with an ext. Monitor:
>     ? ? ? ? Gambas=3.9.1,
>     ? ? ? ? Distribution=debian 9.4,
>     ? ? ? ? Desktop=LXDE
>     ? ? ? ? Resolution:1680x1050
>     HW-3) on a Nexus4 with UBPorts, OTA-4, Libertine
>     ? ? ? ? ... in work
> 
> 
>     What I do not understand:
>     - Why are Gambas-forms not shown similar* on both platforms?
>     ? ? ? ? ... not even in the IDE's?
> 
>     *Control-position and size with the same amount of Pixels
>     ? ? ? ? (see also attached Screenshots)
> 
> 
>     What I'm hoping to find:
>     - Is there a kind of "Global GUI-Scale" in Gambas available?
>     - Would that allow to scale "GUIs" in a simple manner to different
>     Hardware-resolutions ??
>     (eg: Notebook, Pi-Display, Pi-extMon, Smartphone, ...?)
> 
> 
>     Any help (Ideas, links, keywords, ...) would be very appreciated.
> 
> 
>     For "Demo-GUI with 2 Controls" and further System-Details see attached
>     program.? ? ? ? (GlobalGuiScale_180905a_Forum.tar.gz)
> 
> 
>     Thanks for your help.
>     (... and for Gambas!)
> 
> 
>     ub2
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 

From rwe-sse at osnanet.de  Thu Sep  6 09:33:57 2018
From: rwe-sse at osnanet.de (Rolf-Werner Eilert)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 09:33:57 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Issue with a Bains line
Message-ID: <1feb3c34-7fd7-c3c6-dd67-b82887f0458f@osnanet.de>

There is a strange behaviour in calculating the position of a Bains line 
over a timetable.

Long time ago, I came across this problem in my calendar program, but 
thanks to a tip by Benoit I came easily over it. To make clear what I 
mean, here is the code which runs well.

The timetable is a GridView called "wo":

wo.Row = Hour(Now)

baines.Y = wo.Current.Y - wo.ScrollY + wo.ClientY + ((wo.Current.Height 
/ 60) * Minute(Now))

The GridView just begins with 0 and runs up to 23, so it's easy: every 
hour has a cell.

Now I have a timetable for our school. Every cell has 45 minutes, and 
there are breaks between them, so you cannot compute directly from time 
to position. Instead, there is a list of starting times for each lesson.

First the current cell is set to the lesson according to the list (a 
small function does this and delivers "zeile") then:

.Row = zeile

Up to here it runs flawlessly, but then computing doesn't find a proper 
position for the Bains line:

       bains1.Y = .Current.Y - .ScrollY + .ClientY + ((.Current.Height / 
45) * Abs(CInt(DateDiff(Now, Date(Year(Now), Month(Now), Day(Now), st, 
mn, 0, 0), gb.Minute))))

This long Abs(CInt... thing runs well, I checked for it. The correct 
number of minutes from the beginning of the lesson until Now is 
delivered. Everything boils down to

bains1.Y = .CurrentY - .ScrollY + .ClientY + ((.Current.Height / 45) * 
<Number of minutes until now)

At this time of the day, the Bains line lands far behind (above) the 
cells it should be in, and later it lands too far beyond (below) them. 
It never really hits the cell or a proper position.

In the program, there are 6 GridViews with a Bains line, and the 
deviation is the same for all of them.

So where is the problem? Thank you for any hint!

Rolf

From rwe-sse at osnanet.de  Thu Sep  6 10:50:50 2018
From: rwe-sse at osnanet.de (Rolf-Werner Eilert)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 10:50:50 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Issue with a Bains line
In-Reply-To: <1feb3c34-7fd7-c3c6-dd67-b82887f0458f@osnanet.de>
References: <1feb3c34-7fd7-c3c6-dd67-b82887f0458f@osnanet.de>
Message-ID: <86754174-45cb-32c8-b084-3254e31c09e3@osnanet.de>

Am 06.09.2018 um 09:33 schrieb Rolf-Werner Eilert:
> There is a strange behaviour in calculating the position of a Bains line 
> over a timetable.
> 
> Long time ago, I came across this problem in my calendar program, but 
> thanks to a tip by Benoit I came easily over it. To make clear what I 
> mean, here is the code which runs well.
> 
> The timetable is a GridView called "wo":
> 
> wo.Row = Hour(Now)
> 
> baines.Y = wo.Current.Y - wo.ScrollY + wo.ClientY + ((wo.Current.Height 
> / 60) * Minute(Now))
> 
> The GridView just begins with 0 and runs up to 23, so it's easy: every 
> hour has a cell.
> 
> Now I have a timetable for our school. Every cell has 45 minutes, and 
> there are breaks between them, so you cannot compute directly from time 
> to position. Instead, there is a list of starting times for each lesson.
> 
> First the current cell is set to the lesson according to the list (a 
> small function does this and delivers "zeile") then:
> 
> .Row = zeile
> 
> Up to here it runs flawlessly, but then computing doesn't find a proper 
> position for the Bains line:
> 
>  ????? bains1.Y = .Current.Y - .ScrollY + .ClientY + ((.Current.Height / 
> 45) * Abs(CInt(DateDiff(Now, Date(Year(Now), Month(Now), Day(Now), st, 
> mn, 0, 0), gb.Minute))))
> 
> This long Abs(CInt... thing runs well, I checked for it. The correct 
> number of minutes from the beginning of the lesson until Now is 
> delivered. Everything boils down to
> 
> bains1.Y = .CurrentY - .ScrollY + .ClientY + ((.Current.Height / 45) * 
> <Number of minutes until now)
> 
> At this time of the day, the Bains line lands far behind (above) the 
> cells it should be in, and later it lands too far beyond (below) them. 
> It never really hits the cell or a proper position.
> 
> In the program, there are 6 GridViews with a Bains line, and the 
> deviation is the same for all of them.
> 
> So where is the problem? Thank you for any hint!
> 
> Rolf
> 

I have to answer myself because I found a possible reason for the 
trouble. There is a Panel in the program up at the top of the form. When 
I calculate its height into the position, the result seems to be ok:

bains1.Y = Panel1.H + .CurrentY...

How does a Panel's height fail to be counted? There are Labels above the 
GridViews which do not fail, the GridViews and there cells are found 
correctly. It seems as if the GridViews are shown correctly themselves 
but actually do not get correct values from the form (maybe an error in 
the Form class?).

Regards
Rolf

From tercoide at hotmail.com  Thu Sep  6 13:09:11 2018
From: tercoide at hotmail.com (Martin Cristia)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 11:09:11 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] External library location
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1536223862.30461.user@lists.gambas-basic.org>
References: <mailman.1.1536223862.30461.user@lists.gambas-basic.org>
Message-ID: <CY4PR22MB0088B6E5858943A6071121A0C8010@CY4PR22MB0088.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Agreed

I like the ~/.vendor better than /usr/... because It can be operated 
without SUDO or installing software. Usefull when you distribute only 
the source code of a Gambas program, but it contains a private .so lib
> ACK. /tmp is a bad place for libs. Its name alone says it. It is
> temporary, and can be even used from other programs as well and in
> secure environments there should be no executables allowed.
>
> For a system-wide installation aside of the distribution I would prefer
>
> /usr/local/(share|lib)/$vendorname/
>
> or
>
> /usr/(share|lib)/$vendorname/
> (this is what I use for my programs)
>
> For a installation in the homedir I use
> ~/.local/(share|lib)/$vendorname/
>
>
> Alles Gute
>
> Christof Thalhofer
>

-- 
Saludos

Ing. Martin P Cristia


From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Sep  6 22:53:48 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 22:53:48 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Compilation of Gambas on Ubuntu 12.04
Message-ID: <23d41a03-600f-2f1f-1569-25144699090e@gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm looking for someone who has an old Ubuntu 12.04 and who could try to 
compile the last development version on it.

Apparently there is gcc syntax incompatibility I do not understand. The 
gcc compiler error message does not help a lot...

Thanks in advance!

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From the_watchmann at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  7 15:17:45 2018
From: the_watchmann at yahoo.com (David Silverwood)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2018 13:17:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Compilation of Gambas on Ubuntu 12.04
In-Reply-To: <23d41a03-600f-2f1f-1569-25144699090e@gmail.com>
References: <23d41a03-600f-2f1f-1569-25144699090e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1540306909.1072931.1536326265635@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi BenoitI still have an image of both Ubuntu server and desktop u can use on a virtualbox if that may help. I can place it on google drive for downloading... it is 707mb and 32 bit. Would that help ?Regards
David
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Thu, 6 Sep 2018 at 22:54, Beno?t Minisini<g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:   Hi,

I'm looking for someone who has an old Ubuntu 12.04 and who could try to 
compile the last development version on it.

Apparently there is gcc syntax incompatibility I do not understand. The 
gcc compiler error message does not help a lot...

Thanks in advance!

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Fri Sep  7 17:14:04 2018
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2018 17:14:04 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Compilation of Gambas on Ubuntu 12.04
Message-ID: <CAJ2rqFYhRMTmXWMbUcQoCvQKMHACjDjrcnXuHjgr_1JD+GuZRA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Benoit,
I have mistakenly deleted your e-mail.
In a Vbox with Ubuntu 12.04.05 i386 I tried to install Gambas3 Master.
After this command:

sudo apt-get install build-essential g++ automake autoconf libtool
libbz2-dev libmysqlclient-dev unixodbc-dev libpq-dev
postgresql-server-dev-9.1 libsqlite0-dev libsqlite3-dev libglib2.0-dev
libgtk2.0-dev libcurl4-gnutls-dev libgtkglext1-dev libpcre3-dev
libsdl-sound1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsage-dev
libxml2-dev libxslt1-dev librsvg2-dev libpoppler-dev libpoppler-glib-dev
libpoppler-private-dev libasound2-dev libesd0-dev libdirectfb-dev
libxtst-dev libffi-dev libqt4-dev libqtwebkit-dev libqt4-opengl-dev
libglew1.5-dev libimlib2-dev libv4l-dev libsdl-ttf2.0-dev
libgnome-keyring-dev libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev linux-libc-dev
libgstreamer0.10-dev libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev libcairo2-dev
libgsl0-dev libncurses5-dev libgmime-2.6-dev libalure-dev libgmp-dev
libgtk-3-dev sane-utils libdumb1-dev libssl-dev

The terminal told me that gcc was already at the latest version and advised
me to give this command:

sudo apt-get -f install

Then I gave back the command with all the libraries and it installed me.

I downloaded the deb packages for the gb.gsl gb.media gb.qt5 gb.qt5.ext
gb.qt5.opengl gb.qt5.webkit gb.sdl2 gb.sdl2.audio components, but the
terminal did not.

I enclose the terminal's response to the command sudo dpkg -i *.deb and the
log file of ./reconf-all && ./configure -C

If you can tell me how to install the missing packages, I'd appreciate it.

Regards
Gianluigi

P.S. I can not attach the log file because it exceeds the limit of 200 Kb
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gian5 at gian5:~$ cd Librerie
gian5 at gian5:~/Librerie$ sudo dpkg -i *.deb
(Lettura del database... 187895 file e directory attualmente installati.)
Preparativi per sostituire esound-common v.0.2.41-10build3 (utilizzando esound-common_0.2.41-11_all.deb)...
Estrazione del sostituto di esound-common...
Preparativi per sostituire libgsl0-dev v.1.15+dfsg-1build1 (utilizzando libgsl0-dev_1.16+dfsg-1ubuntu1_i386.deb)...
Estrazione del sostituto di libgsl0-dev...
Selezionato il pacchetto libqt5opengl5 non precedentemente selezionato.
Estrazione di libqt5opengl5 (da libqt5opengl5_5.2.1+dfsg-1ubuntu14.3_i386.deb)...
dpkg-deb: errore: l'archivio "libqt5opengl5_5.9.5+dfsg-0ubuntu1_i386.deb" contiene un elemento dati incomprensibile control.tar.xz, operazione annullata
dpkg: errore nell'elaborare libqt5opengl5_5.9.5+dfsg-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--install):
 il sottoprocesso dpkg-deb --control ha restituito lo stato di errore 2
Selezionato il pacchetto libqt5svg5-dev non precedentemente selezionato.
Estrazione di libqt5svg5-dev (da libqt5svg5-dev_5.2.1-1_i386.deb)...
Selezionato il pacchetto libqt5webkit5-dev non precedentemente selezionato.
Estrazione di libqt5webkit5-dev (da libqt5webkit5-dev_5.1.1-1ubuntu8_i386.deb)...
Selezionato il pacchetto libqt5x11extras5-dev non precedentemente selezionato.
Estrazione di libqt5x11extras5-dev (da libqt5x11extras5-dev_5.2.1-1_i386.deb)...
Preparativi per sostituire libsage2 v.0.2.0-4.1 (utilizzando libsage2_0.2.0-4.1ubuntu1_i386.deb)...
Estrazione del sostituto di libsage2...
Selezionato il pacchetto libsdl2-image-dev non precedentemente selezionato.
Estrazione di libsdl2-image-dev (da libsdl2-image-dev_2.0.0+dfsg-3+deb8u1build0.14.04.1_i386.deb)...
Selezionato il pacchetto libsdl2-mixer-dev non precedentemente selezionato.
Estrazione di libsdl2-mixer-dev (da libsdl2-mixer-dev_2.0.0+dfsg1-3_i386.deb)...
Selezionato il pacchetto libsdl2-ttf-dev non precedentemente selezionato.
Estrazione di libsdl2-ttf-dev (da libsdl2-ttf-dev_2.0.12+dfsg1-2_i386.deb)...
Selezionato il pacchetto qtbase5-dev non precedentemente selezionato.
Estrazione di qtbase5-dev (da qtbase5-dev_5.2.1+dfsg-1ubuntu14.3_i386.deb)...
Configurazione di esound-common (0.2.41-11)...
dpkg: problemi con le dipendenze impediscono la configurazione di libgsl0-dev:
 libgsl0-dev dipende da libgsl0ldbl (= 1.16+dfsg-1ubuntu1), ma:
  La versione di libgsl0ldbl nel sistema ? 1.15+dfsg-1build1.
dpkg: errore nell'elaborare libgsl0-dev (--install):
 problemi con le dipendenze - lasciato non configurato
dpkg: problemi con le dipendenze impediscono la configurazione di libqt5opengl5:
 libqt5opengl5 dipende da libqt5core5a (>= 5.0.2), ma:
  Il pacchetto libqt5core5a non ? installato.
 libqt5opengl5 dipende da libqt5gui5 (>= 5.2.0) | libqt5gui5-gles (>= 5.2.0), ma:
  Il pacchetto libqt5gui5 non ? installato.
  Il pacchetto libqt5gui5-gles non ? installato.
 libqt5opengl5 dipende da libqt5widgets5 (>= 5.0.2), ma:
  Il pacchetto libqt5widgets5 non ? installato.
 libqt5opengl5 dipende da qtbase-abi-5-2-1, ma:
  Il pacchetto qtbase-abi-5-2-1 non ? installato.
dpkg: errore nell'elaborare libqt5opengl5 (--install):
 problemi con le dipendenze - lasciato non configurato
dpkg: problemi con le dipendenze impediscono la configurazione di libqt5svg5-dev:
 libqt5svg5-dev dipende da libqt5svg5 (= 5.2.1-1), ma:
  Il pacchetto libqt5svg5 non ? installato.
dpkg: errore nell'elaborare libqt5svg5-dev (--install):
 problemi con le dipendenze - lasciato non configurato
dpkg: problemi con le dipendenze impediscono la configurazione di libqt5webkit5-dev:
 libqt5webkit5-dev dipende da libqt5webkit5 (= 5.1.1-1ubuntu8), ma:
  Il pacchetto libqt5webkit5 non ? installato.
 libqt5webkit5-dev dipende da libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-dev, ma:
  Il pacchetto libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-dev non ? installato.
 libqt5webkit5-dev dipende da libqt5opengl5-dev, ma:
  Il pacchetto libqt5opengl5-dev non ? installato.
 libqt5webkit5-dev dipende da qtlocation5-dev, ma:
  Il pacchetto qtlocation5-dev non ? installato.
 libqt5webkit5-dev dipende da qtsensors5-dev, ma:
  Il pacchetto qtsensors5-dev non ? installato.
dpkg: errore nell'elaborare libqt5webkit5-dev (--install):
 problemi con le dipendenze - lasciato non configurato
dpkg: problemi con le dipendenze impediscono la configurazione di libqt5x11extras5-dev:
 libqt5x11extras5-dev dipende da libqt5x11extras5 (= 5.2.1-1), ma:
  Il pacchetto libqt5x11extras5 non ? installato.
dpkg: errore nell'elaborare libqt5x11extras5-dev (--install):
 problemi con le dipendenze - lasciato non configurato
Configurazione di libsage2 (0.2.0-4.1ubuntu1)...
dpkg: problemi con le dipendenze impediscono la configurazione di libsdl2-image-dev:
 libsdl2-image-dev dipende da libsdl2-image-2.0-0 (= 2.0.0+dfsg-3+deb8u1build0.14.04.1), ma:
  Il pacchetto libsdl2-image-2.0-0 non ? installato.
 libsdl2-image-dev dipende da libsdl2-dev (>= 2.0.0), ma:
  Il pacchetto libsdl2-dev non ? installato.
dpkg: errore nell'elaborare libsdl2-image-dev (--install):
 problemi con le dipendenze - lasciato non configurato
dpkg: problemi con le dipendenze impediscono la configurazione di libsdl2-mixer-dev:
 libsdl2-mixer-dev dipende da libsdl2-mixer-2.0-0 (= 2.0.0+dfsg1-3), ma:
  Il pacchetto libsdl2-mixer-2.0-0 non ? installato.
 libsdl2-mixer-dev dipende da libsdl2-dev (>= 2.0.0), ma:
  Il pacchetto libsdl2-dev non ? installato.
dpkg: errore nell'elaborare libsdl2-mixer-dev (--install):
 problemi con le dipendenze - lasciato non configurato
dpkg: problemi con le dipendenze impediscono la configurazione di libsdl2-ttf-dev:
 libsdl2-ttf-dev dipende da libsdl2-ttf-2.0-0 (= 2.0.12+dfsg1-2), ma:
  Il pacchetto libsdl2-ttf-2.0-0 non ? installato.
 libsdl2-ttf-dev dipende da libsdl2-dev (>= 2.0.0), ma:
  Il pacchetto libsdl2-dev non ? installato.
dpkg: errore nell'elaborare libsdl2-ttf-dev (--install):
 problemi con le dipendenze - lasciato non configurato
dpkg: problemi con le dipendenze impediscono la configurazione di qtbase5-dev:
 qtbase5-dev dipende da libgles2-mesa-dev | libgles2-dev, ma:
  Il pacchetto libgles2-mesa-dev non ? installato.
  Il pacchetto libgles2-dev non ? installato.
 qtbase5-dev dipende da libqt5concurrent5 (= 5.2.1+dfsg-1ubuntu14.3), ma:
  Il pacchetto libqt5concurrent5 non ? installato.
 qtbase5-dev dipende da libqt5core5a (= 5.2.1+dfsg-1ubuntu14.3), ma:
  Il pacchetto libqt5core5a non ? installato.
 qtbase5-dev dipende da libqt5dbus5 (= 5.2.1+dfsg-1ubuntu14.3), ma:
  Il pacchetto libqt5dbus5 non ? installato.
 qtbase5-dev dipende da libqt5gui5 (= 5.2.1+dfsg-1ubuntu14.3), ma:
  Il pacchetto libqt5gui5 non ? installato.
 qtbase5-dev dipende da libqt5network5 (= 5.2.1+dfsg-1ubuntu14.3), ma:
  Il pacchetto libqt5network5 non ? installato.
 qtbase5-dev dipende da libqt5printsupport5 (= 5.2.1+dfsg-1ubuntu14.3), ma:
  Il pacchetto libqt5printsupport5 non ? installato.
 qtbase5-dev dipende da libqt5sql5 (= 5.2.1+dfsg-1ubuntu14.3), ma:
  Il pacchetto libqt5sql5 non ? installato.
 qtbase5-dev dipende da libqt5test5 (= 5.2.1+dfsg-1ubuntu14.3), ma:
  Il pacchetto libqt5test5 non ? installato.
 qtbase5-dev dipende da libqt5widgets5 (= 5.2.1+dfsg-1ubuntu14.3), ma:
  Il pacchetto libqt5widgets5 non ? installato.
 qtbase5-dev dipende da libqt5xml5 (= 5.2.1+dfsg-1ubuntu14.3), ma:
  Il pacchetto libqt5xml5 non ? installato.
 qtbase5-dev dipende da qt5-qmake (= 5.2.1+dfsg-1ubuntu14.3), ma:
  Il pacchetto qt5-qmake non ? installato.
 qtbase5-dev dipende da qtbase5-dev-tools (= 5.2.1+dfsg-1ubuntu14.3), ma:
  Il pacchetto qtbase5-dev-tools non ? installato.
 qtbase5-dev dipende da qtchooser, ma:
  Il pacchetto qtchooser non ? installato.
dpkg: errore nell'elaborare qtbase5-dev (--install):
 problemi con le dipendenze - lasciato non configurato
Elaborazione dei trigger per man-db...
Elaborazione dei trigger per libc-bin...
ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
Si sono verificati degli errori nell'elaborazione:
 libqt5opengl5_5.9.5+dfsg-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
 libgsl0-dev
 libqt5opengl5
 libqt5svg5-dev
 libqt5webkit5-dev
 libqt5x11extras5-dev
 libsdl2-image-dev
 libsdl2-mixer-dev
 libsdl2-ttf-dev
 qtbase5-dev
gian5 at gian5:~/Librerie$ 


From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Fri Sep  7 17:21:01 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2018 17:21:01 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Compilation of Gambas on Ubuntu 12.04
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2rqFYhRMTmXWMbUcQoCvQKMHACjDjrcnXuHjgr_1JD+GuZRA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ2rqFYhRMTmXWMbUcQoCvQKMHACjDjrcnXuHjgr_1JD+GuZRA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a165360c-057e-8ec9-5cf2-af308537ffa9@gmail.com>

Le 07/09/2018 ? 17:14, Gianluigi a ?crit?:
> Hi Benoit,
> I have mistakenly deleted your e-mail.
> In a Vbox with Ubuntu 12.04.05 i386 I tried to install Gambas3 Master.
> After this command:
> 
> sudo apt-get install build-essential g++ automake autoconf libtool 
> libbz2-dev libmysqlclient-dev unixodbc-dev libpq-dev 
> postgresql-server-dev-9.1 libsqlite0-dev libsqlite3-dev libglib2.0-dev 
> libgtk2.0-dev libcurl4-gnutls-dev libgtkglext1-dev libpcre3-dev 
> libsdl-sound1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsage-dev 
> libxml2-dev libxslt1-dev librsvg2-dev libpoppler-dev libpoppler-glib-dev 
> libpoppler-private-dev libasound2-dev libesd0-dev libdirectfb-dev 
> libxtst-dev libffi-dev libqt4-dev libqtwebkit-dev libqt4-opengl-dev 
> libglew1.5-dev libimlib2-dev libv4l-dev libsdl-ttf2.0-dev 
> libgnome-keyring-dev libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev linux-libc-dev 
> libgstreamer0.10-dev libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev libcairo2-dev 
> libgsl0-dev libncurses5-dev libgmime-2.6-dev libalure-dev libgmp-dev 
> libgtk-3-dev sane-utils libdumb1-dev libssl-dev
> 
> The terminal told me that gcc was already at the latest version and 
> advised me to give this command:
> 
> sudo apt-get -f install
> 
> Then I gave back the command with all the libraries and it installed me.
> 
> I downloaded the deb packages for the gb.gsl gb.media gb.qt5 gb.qt5.ext 
> gb.qt5.opengl gb.qt5.webkit gb.sdl2 gb.sdl2.audio components, but the 
> terminal did not.
> 
> I enclose the terminal's response to the command sudo dpkg -i *.deb and 
> the log file of ./reconf-all && ./configure -C
> 
> If you can tell me how to install the missing packages, I'd appreciate it.
> 
> Regards
> Gianluigi
> 
> P.S. I can not attach the log file because it exceeds the limit of 200 Kb
> 

No, you must not installa any Gambas binary package: you must compile it 
from sources: the problem is with the compilation.

Maybe it has been fixed with the latest commit, I didn't receive any 
error from the Ubuntu PPA automatic compilation service yet. Let's wait 
a bit.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Fri Sep  7 19:45:42 2018
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2018 13:45:42 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Compilation of Gambas on Ubuntu 12.04
In-Reply-To: <a165360c-057e-8ec9-5cf2-af308537ffa9@gmail.com>
References: <CAJ2rqFYhRMTmXWMbUcQoCvQKMHACjDjrcnXuHjgr_1JD+GuZRA@mail.gmail.com>
 <a165360c-057e-8ec9-5cf2-af308537ffa9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALci+FQf4AuLK7Bum1A4EcwP+45yTmfkN=S6-RPuuihzD8ZXaA@mail.gmail.com>

quite interesting, those older winbuntu it's like build gambas in
wheeze/queeze

so must compile without problems, i already made compilation
for the lenny, squeeze regulary.. the 3 only modules not posible
to build are those related to qt5, gtk3 and media/gstreamer1.0

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2018-09-07 11:21 GMT-04:00 Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com>:

> Le 07/09/2018 ? 17:14, Gianluigi a ?crit :
>
>> Hi Benoit,
>> I have mistakenly deleted your e-mail.
>> In a Vbox with Ubuntu 12.04.05 i386 I tried to install Gambas3 Master.
>> After this command:
>>
>> sudo apt-get install build-essential g++ automake autoconf libtool
>> libbz2-dev libmysqlclient-dev unixodbc-dev libpq-dev
>> postgresql-server-dev-9.1 libsqlite0-dev libsqlite3-dev libglib2.0-dev
>> libgtk2.0-dev libcurl4-gnutls-dev libgtkglext1-dev libpcre3-dev
>> libsdl-sound1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsage-dev
>> libxml2-dev libxslt1-dev librsvg2-dev libpoppler-dev libpoppler-glib-dev
>> libpoppler-private-dev libasound2-dev libesd0-dev libdirectfb-dev
>> libxtst-dev libffi-dev libqt4-dev libqtwebkit-dev libqt4-opengl-dev
>> libglew1.5-dev libimlib2-dev libv4l-dev libsdl-ttf2.0-dev
>> libgnome-keyring-dev libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev linux-libc-dev
>> libgstreamer0.10-dev libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev libcairo2-dev
>> libgsl0-dev libncurses5-dev libgmime-2.6-dev libalure-dev libgmp-dev
>> libgtk-3-dev sane-utils libdumb1-dev libssl-dev
>>
>> The terminal told me that gcc was already at the latest version and
>> advised me to give this command:
>>
>> sudo apt-get -f install
>>
>> Then I gave back the command with all the libraries and it installed me.
>>
>> I downloaded the deb packages for the gb.gsl gb.media gb.qt5 gb.qt5.ext
>> gb.qt5.opengl gb.qt5.webkit gb.sdl2 gb.sdl2.audio components, but the
>> terminal did not.
>>
>> I enclose the terminal's response to the command sudo dpkg -i *.deb and
>> the log file of ./reconf-all && ./configure -C
>>
>> If you can tell me how to install the missing packages, I'd appreciate it.
>>
>> Regards
>> Gianluigi
>>
>> P.S. I can not attach the log file because it exceeds the limit of 200 Kb
>>
>>
> No, you must not installa any Gambas binary package: you must compile it
> from sources: the problem is with the compilation.
>
> Maybe it has been fixed with the latest commit, I didn't receive any error
> from the Ubuntu PPA automatic compilation service yet. Let's wait a bit.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
>
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Fri Sep  7 19:56:43 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2018 19:56:43 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Compilation of Gambas on Ubuntu 12.04
In-Reply-To: <CALci+FQf4AuLK7Bum1A4EcwP+45yTmfkN=S6-RPuuihzD8ZXaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ2rqFYhRMTmXWMbUcQoCvQKMHACjDjrcnXuHjgr_1JD+GuZRA@mail.gmail.com>
 <a165360c-057e-8ec9-5cf2-af308537ffa9@gmail.com>
 <CALci+FQf4AuLK7Bum1A4EcwP+45yTmfkN=S6-RPuuihzD8ZXaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a3e38b27-340e-88eb-8765-dd217b3c7594@gmail.com>

Le 07/09/2018 ? 19:45, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit?:
> quite interesting, those older winbuntu it's like build gambas in 
> wheeze/queeze
> 
> so must compile without problems, i already made compilation
> for the lenny, squeeze regulary.. the 3 only modules not posible
> to build are those related to qt5, gtk3 and media/gstreamer1.0
> 
> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
> 

The problem is in the compilation of gb.gtk3.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From dickson.tim at googlemail.com  Sun Sep  9 23:33:32 2018
From: dickson.tim at googlemail.com (Tim Dickson)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 22:33:32 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] gbh3
Message-ID: <3d3678cc-b724-b13e-f28f-b15221805ca2@googlemail.com>

I have just recently taken over the package creation script of gambas3 
for Slackware from Fredrich
and noticed the following error message (tailed output)

Making install in .
make[2]: Entering directory '/tmp/SBo/gambas-3.11.4'
make[3]: Entering directory '/tmp/SBo/gambas-3.11.4'

||
|| Unable to compile gbh3
||

make[3]: Nothing to be done for 'install-data-am'.
make[3]: Leaving directory '/tmp/SBo/gambas-3.11.4'
make[2]: Leaving directory '/tmp/SBo/gambas-3.11.4'
make[1]: Leaving directory '/tmp/SBo/gambas-3.11.4'

 ?when doing a
make -j1 install-strip DESTDIR=$PKG XDG_UTILS=""
(the last make in the packageing script)

After creating a slackware package and installing it, I can run the 
gambas3 gui and create a project and run/compile it so i'm not sure if 
the error is significant.

I noticed a reference to this error message in the mailing list a few 
years ago which said to ignore the message.
Is that still the case? what is gbh3 ?? is it needed?

I also noticed that? on the website under help-compilation it encourages 
you to get more configuration info by reading the INSTALL file in the 
source root. However, that file just points you to the URL of the html 
previously read. Is there any more info apart from running ./configure 
--help or going through the configure.ac file (which is a bit hard going).?
many thanks, Tim


From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 10 00:02:32 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 00:02:32 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] gbh3
In-Reply-To: <3d3678cc-b724-b13e-f28f-b15221805ca2@googlemail.com>
References: <3d3678cc-b724-b13e-f28f-b15221805ca2@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <ae6b5482-453c-285e-17ba-e12aca49a8ab@gmail.com>

Le 09/09/2018 ? 23:33, Tim Dickson via User a ?crit?:
> I have just recently taken over the package creation script of gambas3 
> for Slackware from Fredrich
> and noticed the following error message (tailed output)
> 
> Making install in .
> make[2]: Entering directory '/tmp/SBo/gambas-3.11.4'
> make[3]: Entering directory '/tmp/SBo/gambas-3.11.4'
> 
> ||
> || Unable to compile gbh3
> ||
> 
> make[3]: Nothing to be done for 'install-data-am'.
> make[3]: Leaving directory '/tmp/SBo/gambas-3.11.4'
> make[2]: Leaving directory '/tmp/SBo/gambas-3.11.4'
> make[1]: Leaving directory '/tmp/SBo/gambas-3.11.4'
> 
>  ?when doing a
> make -j1 install-strip DESTDIR=$PKG XDG_UTILS=""
> (the last make in the packageing script)
> 
> After creating a slackware package and installing it, I can run the 
> gambas3 gui and create a project and run/compile it so i'm not sure if 
> the error is significant.
> 
> I noticed a reference to this error message in the mailing list a few 
> years ago which said to ignore the message.
> Is that still the case? what is gbh3 ?? is it needed?
> 
> I also noticed that? on the website under help-compilation it encourages 
> you to get more configuration info by reading the INSTALL file in the 
> source root. However, that file just points you to the URL of the html 
> previously read. Is there any more info apart from running ./configure 
> --help or going through the configure.ac file (which is a bit hard going).?
> many thanks, Tim
> 
> 
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----

Please send the full output of the configuration process.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 10 02:28:09 2018
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Me)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 09:58:09 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] #If Exec ?
Message-ID: <20180910095809.608909f0f7aab1b78a977e4c@gmail.com>

The conditional compile construct does not seem to work anymore (v3.11.4)?

We use it quite widely to "hide/excise" development code that only has meaning inside the IDE (such as a "Debug" menu item).

Anyone else noticed this? Or is it something on our system?

tia

-- 
Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com>

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 10 11:42:10 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 11:42:10 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] #If Exec ?
In-Reply-To: <20180910095809.608909f0f7aab1b78a977e4c@gmail.com>
References: <20180910095809.608909f0f7aab1b78a977e4c@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <84ada319-7177-c428-b70d-079902cc1f0b@gmail.com>

Le 10/09/2018 ? 02:28, Me a ?crit?:
> The conditional compile construct does not seem to work anymore (v3.11.4)?
> 
> We use it quite widely to "hide/excise" development code that only has meaning inside the IDE (such as a "Debug" menu item).
> 
> Anyone else noticed this? Or is it something on our system?
> 
> tia
> 

I didn't touch that. Do you have a little project that reproduces the 
problem?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 10 12:32:39 2018
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Me)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 20:02:39 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] #If Exec ?
In-Reply-To: <84ada319-7177-c428-b70d-079902cc1f0b@gmail.com>
References: <20180910095809.608909f0f7aab1b78a977e4c@gmail.com>
 <84ada319-7177-c428-b70d-079902cc1f0b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20180910200239.83f4e1f6f950e9a5bf9a8a1b@gmail.com>

On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 11:42:10 +0200
Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Le 10/09/2018 ? 02:28, Me a ?crit?:
> > The conditional compile construct does not seem to work anymore (v3.11.4)?
> > 
> > We use it quite widely to "hide/excise" development code that only has meaning inside the IDE (such as a "Debug" menu item).
> > 
> > Anyone else noticed this? Or is it something on our system?
> > 
> > tia
> > 
> 
> I didn't touch that. Do you have a little project that reproduces the 
> problem?
> 
> -- 
> Beno?t Minisini
> 
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----

Weird. I found this.

With a newly created user, it works fine.

For my existing login or Fj's login it works unless I have been using gdmflexiserver to swap between the two logins. I have no idea what is causing it. 
But its obviously local. If I find it I'll let you know. The shell? QT4 vs 5? Kitchen fairies? 

tx
b  

 -- 
Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com>

From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 10 14:28:42 2018
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 15:28:42 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] #If Exec ?
In-Reply-To: <20180910200239.83f4e1f6f950e9a5bf9a8a1b@gmail.com>
References: <20180910095809.608909f0f7aab1b78a977e4c@gmail.com>
 <84ada319-7177-c428-b70d-079902cc1f0b@gmail.com>
 <20180910200239.83f4e1f6f950e9a5bf9a8a1b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFJMe7TMz3bSHqwU71M6RBOcbZNR+M9sT9wOXt5VWNZ+4f++QQ@mail.gmail.com>

I guess you are some how compiling without the -x switch?


Jussi

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 1:33 PM Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 11:42:10 +0200
> Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Le 10/09/2018 ? 02:28, Me a ?crit :
> > > The conditional compile construct does not seem to work anymore
> (v3.11.4)?
> > >
> > > We use it quite widely to "hide/excise" development code that only has
> meaning inside the IDE (such as a "Debug" menu item).
> > >
> > > Anyone else noticed this? Or is it something on our system?
> > >
> > > tia
> > >
> >
> > I didn't touch that. Do you have a little project that reproduces the
> > problem?
> >
> > --
> > Beno?t Minisini
> >
> > ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
>
> Weird. I found this.
>
> With a newly created user, it works fine.
>
> For my existing login or Fj's login it works unless I have been using
> gdmflexiserver to swap between the two logins. I have no idea what is
> causing it.
> But its obviously local. If I find it I'll let you know. The shell? QT4 vs
> 5? Kitchen fairies?
>
> tx
> b
>
>  --
> Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com>
>
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Mon Sep 10 17:12:58 2018
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 11:12:58 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Compilation of Gambas on Ubuntu 12.04
In-Reply-To: <a3e38b27-340e-88eb-8765-dd217b3c7594@gmail.com>
References: <CAJ2rqFYhRMTmXWMbUcQoCvQKMHACjDjrcnXuHjgr_1JD+GuZRA@mail.gmail.com>
 <a165360c-057e-8ec9-5cf2-af308537ffa9@gmail.com>
 <CALci+FQf4AuLK7Bum1A4EcwP+45yTmfkN=S6-RPuuihzD8ZXaA@mail.gmail.com>
 <a3e38b27-340e-88eb-8765-dd217b3c7594@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALci+FRSefhTMtBpV=bSZBAVEjY7VBZ3xofaSzMnPpyGD-FNkg@mail.gmail.com>

hi  the more older version for gtk3 to compile (as in wheeze) are 3.4.2 so
for you

dpkg -s libgtk-3-dev | grep '^Version:'

must return something more recent rather than 3.4.2

so as in my case the gcc in lenny are 4.2 and with backport are 4.3, that's
means gcc on winbuntu must be enought recent

so in conclusion, i dont think are a gcc problem in fact, maybe a gcc
restriction more thatn problem.. please can you output the complete log? or
at least a portion related to gtk3 compilation log!?


Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2018-09-07 13:56 GMT-04:00 Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com>:

> Le 07/09/2018 ? 19:45, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit :
>
>> quite interesting, those older winbuntu it's like build gambas in
>> wheeze/queeze
>>
>> so must compile without problems, i already made compilation
>> for the lenny, squeeze regulary.. the 3 only modules not posible
>> to build are those related to qt5, gtk3 and media/gstreamer1.0
>>
>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>
>>
> The problem is in the compilation of gb.gtk3.
>
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 10 17:21:32 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 17:21:32 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Compilation of Gambas on Ubuntu 12.04
In-Reply-To: <1540306909.1072931.1536326265635@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <23d41a03-600f-2f1f-1569-25144699090e@gmail.com>
 <1540306909.1072931.1536326265635@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <afc20b0f-a443-7917-a7d3-7dc1531559fe@gmail.com>

Le 07/09/2018 ? 15:17, David Silverwood via User a ?crit?:
> Hi Benoit
> I still have an image of both Ubuntu server and desktop u can use on a 
> virtualbox if that may help. I can place it on google drive for 
> downloading... it is 707mb and 32 bit. Would that help ?
> Regards
> David
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
> 

Apparently the problem is fixed, I receive no more errors from the 
Ubuntu PPA automatic compilation servers.

Thanks anyway!

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 11 01:24:13 2018
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Me)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 08:54:13 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] #If Exec ?
In-Reply-To: <CAFJMe7TMz3bSHqwU71M6RBOcbZNR+M9sT9wOXt5VWNZ+4f++QQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20180910095809.608909f0f7aab1b78a977e4c@gmail.com>
 <84ada319-7177-c428-b70d-079902cc1f0b@gmail.com>
 <20180910200239.83f4e1f6f950e9a5bf9a8a1b@gmail.com>
 <CAFJMe7TMz3bSHqwU71M6RBOcbZNR+M9sT9wOXt5VWNZ+4f++QQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20180911085413.39d3a14cfbc01ecc643c1534@gmail.com>

Thanks Jussi,
That was exactly it.  I couldn't see why it happened with some applications and not others. (The ones where it did happen were compiled some time ago on a different machine. Grrrr)
b

On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 15:28:42 +0300
Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com> wrote:

> I guess you are some how compiling without the -x switch?
> 
> 
> Jussi
> 
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 1:33 PM Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 11:42:10 +0200
> > Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Le 10/09/2018 ? 02:28, Me a ?crit :
> > > > The conditional compile construct does not seem to work anymore
> > (v3.11.4)?
> > > >
> > > > We use it quite widely to "hide/excise" development code that only has
> > meaning inside the IDE (such as a "Debug" menu item).
> > > >
> > > > Anyone else noticed this? Or is it something on our system?
> > > >
> > > > tia
> > > >
> > >
> > > I didn't touch that. Do you have a little project that reproduces the
> > > problem?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Beno?t Minisini
> > >
> > > ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
> >
> > Weird. I found this.
> >
> > With a newly created user, it works fine.
> >
> > For my existing login or Fj's login it works unless I have been using
> > gdmflexiserver to swap between the two logins. I have no idea what is
> > causing it.
> > But its obviously local. If I find it I'll let you know. The shell? QT4 vs
> > 5? Kitchen fairies?
> >
> > tx
> > b
> >
> >  --
> > Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com>
> >
> > ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
> >


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From dmontaine at gmail.com  Tue Sep 11 13:21:18 2018
From: dmontaine at gmail.com (don)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 04:21:18 -0700
Subject: [Gambas-user] Linux Mint 19 XFCE install
Message-ID: <c7decdc6-0dbe-413c-75c6-45384d43f870@gmail.com>

For your information; I tried using the stable PPA to install and it 
failed because of missing dependencies.? However, the daily PPA worked 
correctly and I have the development version running without problems on 
my computer running Linux Mint 19 XFCE.


From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 13 03:13:19 2018
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Me)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 10:43:19 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] How can I instantiate a virtual class?
Message-ID: <20180913104319.adf204a86e02d7b98288dc43@gmail.com>

Dumb question, I know but...

Specifically I want to get a copy of MyMenu.Children into an array of Menu[] so I can re-order it. However, 
Menu.Children is virtual (.Menu.Children).
(I have a request to make the order of (a particular menu) user configureable.)
I figured that if I can get a copy of the array, I could re-order it, clear the actual menu and re-add the menus in 
the required order.

tia
b
p.s. I just noticed that Menu.Children is a collection not an array, but that doen't change my problem.

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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 13 07:16:55 2018
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Me)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 14:46:55 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] A little change for the IDE Version Control (git)
 popup
Message-ID: <20180913144655.0fa9cfd5d3c1abdd8d96bd0c@gmail.com>

The following seems to work as far as I can see. It adds a "Status" line to the Project Properties popup Version control tab 
and just shows whther the current git branch is up to date or not. It goes at the end of CVersionControlGit.Info method just 
above the Return cInfo line at the end of the method. It does no harm AFAICS and I find it quite handy. It may need transaltion.

Sorry I can't produce a patch for it. I am still not really on top of this git stuff. So here's the actual source:

  aResult = Split(VersionControl.Shell("cd " & Shell(Project.Dir) & "&& git status -s"), "\n")
  If aResult.Count > 0 Then 
    cInfo[("Status")] = (aResult.Count - 1) & " uncommitted changes: " & Trim(aResult.Join("; "))
  Else
    cInfo[("Status")] = "Up to date"
  Endif

Hope you find it worthwhile and include it in the base code sometime.

b

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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 13 11:03:37 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 11:03:37 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] A little change for the IDE Version Control (git)
 popup
In-Reply-To: <20180913144655.0fa9cfd5d3c1abdd8d96bd0c@gmail.com>
References: <20180913144655.0fa9cfd5d3c1abdd8d96bd0c@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bbf681ad-607a-12d9-b9d8-3c2dc6c6678c@gmail.com>

Le 13/09/2018 ? 07:16, Me a ?crit?:
> The following seems to work as far as I can see. It adds a "Status" line to the Project Properties popup Version control tab
> and just shows whther the current git branch is up to date or not. It goes at the end of CVersionControlGit.Info method just
> above the Return cInfo line at the end of the method. It does no harm AFAICS and I find it quite handy. It may need transaltion.
> 
> Sorry I can't produce a patch for it. I am still not really on top of this git stuff. So here's the actual source:
> 
>    aResult = Split(VersionControl.Shell("cd " & Shell(Project.Dir) & "&& git status -s"), "\n")
>    If aResult.Count > 0 Then
>      cInfo[("Status")] = (aResult.Count - 1) & " uncommitted changes: " & Trim(aResult.Join("; "))
>    Else
>      cInfo[("Status")] = "Up to date"
>    Endif
> 
> Hope you find it worthwhile and include it in the base code sometime.
> 
> b
> 

Why do you need that? Normally, each modified file has a green circle 
checked on its name, so you know there is something to commit.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 13 12:02:06 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 12:02:06 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] A little change for the IDE Version Control (git)
 popup
In-Reply-To: <bbf681ad-607a-12d9-b9d8-3c2dc6c6678c@gmail.com>
References: <20180913144655.0fa9cfd5d3c1abdd8d96bd0c@gmail.com>
 <bbf681ad-607a-12d9-b9d8-3c2dc6c6678c@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9bb67ac4-dee0-69e5-3718-53a190ed485a@gmail.com>

Le 13/09/2018 ? 11:03, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
> Le 13/09/2018 ? 07:16, Me a ?crit?:
>> The following seems to work as far as I can see. It adds a "Status" 
>> line to the Project Properties popup Version control tab
>> and just shows whther the current git branch is up to date or not. It 
>> goes at the end of CVersionControlGit.Info method just
>> above the Return cInfo line at the end of the method. It does no harm 
>> AFAICS and I find it quite handy. It may need transaltion.
>>
>> Sorry I can't produce a patch for it. I am still not really on top of 
>> this git stuff. So here's the actual source:
>>
>> ?? aResult = Split(VersionControl.Shell("cd " & Shell(Project.Dir) & 
>> "&& git status -s"), "\n")
>> ?? If aResult.Count > 0 Then
>> ???? cInfo[("Status")] = (aResult.Count - 1) & " uncommitted changes: 
>> " & Trim(aResult.Join("; "))
>> ?? Else
>> ???? cInfo[("Status")] = "Up to date"
>> ?? Endif
>>
>> Hope you find it worthwhile and include it in the base code sometime.
>>
>> b
>>
> 
> Why do you need that? Normally, each modified file has a green circle 
> checked on its name, so you know there is something to commit.
> 

I did something like that in commit 
https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/commit/db8c500f959206dd7fc125ef7f5a774d82e4317e.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 13 12:49:37 2018
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Me)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 20:19:37 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] A little change for the IDE Version Control (git)
 popup
In-Reply-To: <bbf681ad-607a-12d9-b9d8-3c2dc6c6678c@gmail.com>
References: <20180913144655.0fa9cfd5d3c1abdd8d96bd0c@gmail.com>
 <bbf681ad-607a-12d9-b9d8-3c2dc6c6678c@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20180913201937.ce58f51d6bcefaa8d482dfdd@gmail.com>

hmmm., nope, not seeing any green circles,
3.11.4 release

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 11:03:37 +0200
Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Le 13/09/2018 ? 07:16, Me a ?crit?:
> > The following seems to work as far as I can see. It adds a "Status" line to the Project Properties popup Version control tab
> > and just shows whther the current git branch is up to date or not. It goes at the end of CVersionControlGit.Info method just
> > above the Return cInfo line at the end of the method. It does no harm AFAICS and I find it quite handy. It may need transaltion.
> > 
> > Sorry I can't produce a patch for it. I am still not really on top of this git stuff. So here's the actual source:
> > 
> >    aResult = Split(VersionControl.Shell("cd " & Shell(Project.Dir) & "&& git status -s"), "\n")
> >    If aResult.Count > 0 Then
> >      cInfo[("Status")] = (aResult.Count - 1) & " uncommitted changes: " & Trim(aResult.Join("; "))
> >    Else
> >      cInfo[("Status")] = "Up to date"
> >    Endif
> > 
> > Hope you find it worthwhile and include it in the base code sometime.
> > 
> > b
> > 
> 
> Why do you need that? Normally, each modified file has a green circle 
> checked on its name, so you know there is something to commit.
> 
> -- 
> Beno?t Minisini
> 
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----


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From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Thu Sep 13 15:52:30 2018
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 09:52:30 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] How can I instantiate a virtual class?
In-Reply-To: <20180913104319.adf204a86e02d7b98288dc43@gmail.com>
References: <20180913104319.adf204a86e02d7b98288dc43@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1e3339c5-c3ad-1002-30ae-1008d68b7fd4@gmail.com>

It seems, by what you have said, that you have already solved your own problem. So, I am unclear exactly what you are asking.

I may be missing something, and therefore this may be a dumb response. But, as a test of your concept, have you tried similar to
the following?

[code]
    Dim myMenu As New Menu[]
    Dim theMenu As Menu

    For Each theMenu In Menu1.Children
        myMenu.Add(theMenu)
    Next
    For Each theMenu In myMenu
        Print theMenu.Name
    Next
[/code]


___
Lee


On 9/12/18 9:13 PM, Me wrote:
> Dumb question, I know but...
> 
> Specifically I want to get a copy of MyMenu.Children into an array of Menu[] so I can re-order it. However, 
> Menu.Children is virtual (.Menu.Children).
> (I have a request to make the order of (a particular menu) user configureable.)
> I figured that if I can get a copy of the array, I could re-order it, clear the actual menu and re-add the menus in 
> the required order.
> 
> tia
> b
> p.s. I just noticed that Menu.Children is a collection not an array, but that doen't change my problem.
> 

From taboege at gmail.com  Thu Sep 13 19:48:01 2018
From: taboege at gmail.com (Tobias Boege)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 19:48:01 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] How can I instantiate a virtual class?
In-Reply-To: <20180913104319.adf204a86e02d7b98288dc43@gmail.com>
References: <20180913104319.adf204a86e02d7b98288dc43@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20180913174325.GA1166@highrise.localdomain>

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018, Me wrote:
> Dumb question, I know but...
> 
> Specifically I want to get a copy of MyMenu.Children into an array of Menu[] so I can re-order it. However, 
> Menu.Children is virtual (.Menu.Children).
> (I have a request to make the order of (a particular menu) user configureable.)
> I figured that if I can get a copy of the array, I could re-order it, clear the actual menu and re-add the menus in 
> the required order.
> 
> tia
> b
> p.s. I just noticed that Menu.Children is a collection not an array, but that doen't change my problem.
> 

TL;DR: You can't do that *in-place* with a virtual object. You have to
make a completely new menu with the desired order and "plug that in",
though I'm not sure how to do that, see last paragraph. (Alternatively:
bug Benoit to implement Move* methods on .Menu.Children like we have
in TreeView, a Sort event like GridView or at least a Reparent method.)

There are two types of virtual classes: native and Gambas virtual classes.
You can distinguish them roughly by the component they are coming from,
or by the first character in their name:

  * a leading dot means native, e.g. .Menu.Children from the native gb.qt4
    component or .Watch.Events in gb.inotify, vs.
  * a leading underscore which means it's written in Gambas, e.g. _MapTile
    in gb.map.

This naming is not a requirement but a convention. [*]

A virtual class is meant to provide an alternate interface to some part of
an object. In native components, a virtual property is oftentimes implemented
by returning the exact same object but telling the interpreter to "cast" it
to some other class, so that you have a more specialised set of methods
available. The property accessor usually sets some sort of flag or records
some access parameter like the settings slot in _Settings_Keys._get() so
that the more specialised methods know where you wanted them to operate. [#]
You can see that with the way native virtual classes are named: .Menu.Children
is a virtual class for managing the .Children property of a Menu object and
.Watch.Events does the same for the .Events of a Watch. [~]

You may see the problem now: virtual objects don't actually exist. They are
just a volatile view on a specific part of an object. So you can't put them
in an array. As soon as the line where you accessed MyMenu.Children finished
executing, the virtual object is destroyed; the hidden state used by the
Menu object to tell that you are accessing .Children now might have been
overwritten already. Virtual classes can be declared in native components
but they aren't creatable and always have size zero <-- also answering your
Subject line.

You can of course re-use the menu items that the virtual Menu.Children shows
you, like so:

  Dim hMenu As Menu, aSubMenus As New Menu[]

  For Each hMenu In MyMenu.Children
    aSubMenus.Push(hMenu)
  Next

But even then, I'm stuck. You can reorder the submenus, put them into a new
parent menu but how do you get the new parent menu into your existing menu
hierarchy? I'm missing a Menu.Reparent() method (why does Menu not inherit
Control?) to plug just the changed menu into what you already have.
The only way I see right now is to rebuild your entire menu -- even the
remote parts that didn't change -- every time you have to reorder some
submenu. I've never been a menu user in Gambas. Maybe others found a recipe?

Regards,
Tobi

PS: I moved into a new apartment and was absent from the internet for two
weeks. In my case, it went quite a way to show how much of my social life
happens over the cable. Anyway, this was a nice question to find on my
first day back. I may have written too much again, but that's because
I missed it :-)

[*] An outlier is _GridView_Cell in gb.qt4 which seems like it's both or
neither. The truth is that by now GridView is implemented in Gambas, in a
hidden gb.gui.base component and only *documented* in gb.qt4. So the leading
underscore tells the truth and the docs, as usual, lie.

[#] BTW, this is one of the obstacles of making Gambas thread-safe.
Lots of (all?) components rely on the assumption that they can just
put some data into a field in the object's underlying data structure
and return themselves to implement a virtual property and that the
data won't be touched until the virtual object is done. This is a
very cheap way of decluttering the interface of a class but also
very wrong in a multi-threaded environment.

[~] Actually, Gambas virtual classes (the ones which are non-native) are
just normal classes. The "casting part of an object to a different class"
is a strictly native feature. They probably shouldn't even be called
"virtual" but they are often used for the same purpose. The leading
underscore is generally used to make classes hidden, e.g. to the IDE
autocompletion popup. You could theoretically store these objects into
an array (and I remember doing that once) but that isn't safe either,
depending on what assumptions the class makes on its lifetime.

-- 
"There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 13 22:43:54 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 22:43:54 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] How can I instantiate a virtual class?
In-Reply-To: <20180913174325.GA1166@highrise.localdomain>
References: <20180913104319.adf204a86e02d7b98288dc43@gmail.com>
 <20180913174325.GA1166@highrise.localdomain>
Message-ID: <732dd32d-99f3-2f7a-d756-543bdab7f966@gmail.com>

Le 13/09/2018 ? 19:48, Tobias Boege a ?crit?:
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2018, Me wrote:
>> Dumb question, I know but...
>>
>> Specifically I want to get a copy of MyMenu.Children into an array of Menu[] so I can re-order it. However,
>> Menu.Children is virtual (.Menu.Children).
>> (I have a request to make the order of (a particular menu) user configureable.)
>> I figured that if I can get a copy of the array, I could re-order it, clear the actual menu and re-add the menus in
>> the required order.
>>
>> tia
>> b
>> p.s. I just noticed that Menu.Children is a collection not an array, but that doen't change my problem.
>>
> 
> TL;DR: You can't do that *in-place* with a virtual object. You have to
> make a completely new menu with the desired order and "plug that in",
> though I'm not sure how to do that, see last paragraph. (Alternatively:
> bug Benoit to implement Move* methods on .Menu.Children like we have
> in TreeView, a Sort event like GridView or at least a Reparent method.)
> 
> There are two types of virtual classes: native and Gambas virtual classes.
> You can distinguish them roughly by the component they are coming from,
> or by the first character in their name:
> 
>    * a leading dot means native, e.g. .Menu.Children from the native gb.qt4
>      component or .Watch.Events in gb.inotify, vs.
>    * a leading underscore which means it's written in Gambas, e.g. _MapTile
>      in gb.map.
> 
> This naming is not a requirement but a convention. [*]
> 
> A virtual class is meant to provide an alternate interface to some part of
> an object. In native components, a virtual property is oftentimes implemented
> by returning the exact same object but telling the interpreter to "cast" it
> to some other class, so that you have a more specialised set of methods
> available. The property accessor usually sets some sort of flag or records
> some access parameter like the settings slot in _Settings_Keys._get() so
> that the more specialised methods know where you wanted them to operate. [#]
> You can see that with the way native virtual classes are named: .Menu.Children
> is a virtual class for managing the .Children property of a Menu object and
> .Watch.Events does the same for the .Events of a Watch. [~]
> 
> You may see the problem now: virtual objects don't actually exist. They are
> just a volatile view on a specific part of an object. So you can't put them
> in an array. As soon as the line where you accessed MyMenu.Children finished
> executing, the virtual object is destroyed; the hidden state used by the
> Menu object to tell that you are accessing .Children now might have been
> overwritten already. Virtual classes can be declared in native components
> but they aren't creatable and always have size zero <-- also answering your
> Subject line.
> 
> You can of course re-use the menu items that the virtual Menu.Children shows
> you, like so:
> 
>    Dim hMenu As Menu, aSubMenus As New Menu[]
> 
>    For Each hMenu In MyMenu.Children
>      aSubMenus.Push(hMenu)
>    Next
> 
> But even then, I'm stuck. You can reorder the submenus, put them into a new
> parent menu but how do you get the new parent menu into your existing menu
> hierarchy? I'm missing a Menu.Reparent() method (why does Menu not inherit
> Control?) to plug just the changed menu into what you already have.
> The only way I see right now is to rebuild your entire menu -- even the
> remote parts that didn't change -- every time you have to reorder some
> submenu. I've never been a menu user in Gambas. Maybe others found a recipe?
> 
> Regards,
> Tobi
> 
> PS: I moved into a new apartment and was absent from the internet for two
> weeks. In my case, it went quite a way to show how much of my social life
> happens over the cable. Anyway, this was a nice question to find on my
> first day back. I may have written too much again, but that's because
> I missed it :-)
> 
> [*] An outlier is _GridView_Cell in gb.qt4 which seems like it's both or
> neither. The truth is that by now GridView is implemented in Gambas, in a
> hidden gb.gui.base component and only *documented* in gb.qt4. So the leading
> underscore tells the truth and the docs, as usual, lie.
> 
> [#] BTW, this is one of the obstacles of making Gambas thread-safe.
> Lots of (all?) components rely on the assumption that they can just
> put some data into a field in the object's underlying data structure
> and return themselves to implement a virtual property and that the
> data won't be touched until the virtual object is done. This is a
> very cheap way of decluttering the interface of a class but also
> very wrong in a multi-threaded environment.
> 
> [~] Actually, Gambas virtual classes (the ones which are non-native) are
> just normal classes. The "casting part of an object to a different class"
> is a strictly native feature. They probably shouldn't even be called
> "virtual" but they are often used for the same purpose. The leading
> underscore is generally used to make classes hidden, e.g. to the IDE
> autocompletion popup. You could theoretically store these objects into
> an array (and I remember doing that once) but that isn't safe either,
> depending on what assumptions the class makes on its lifetime.
> 

The problem is that Menus are not implemented in the underlying toolkits 
as a tree of objects that I can reorder easily and freely.

So I had to make a minimal interface that allows to add menus only on 
the end of a hierarchy, delete menus, and browse them. Hence the lack of 
power of the Menus virtual class.

As for GridView reimplemented in Gambas, I had to mimic the old API.

And yes, it's not multithreading at all, but the toolkit GUI are usually 
single-thread (the other threads can't do GUI stuff), except maybe the 
new multithreaded CSS-based layout engines of Mozilla.

And I agree that "virtual" was badly chosen. It's right in its primary 
sense, but it has too many associated meaning in computing language that 
does not relate to what it means in Gambas.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 14 04:16:25 2018
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Me)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:46:25 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] How can I instantiate a virtual class?
In-Reply-To: <732dd32d-99f3-2f7a-d756-543bdab7f966@gmail.com>
References: <20180913104319.adf204a86e02d7b98288dc43@gmail.com>
 <20180913174325.GA1166@highrise.localdomain>
 <732dd32d-99f3-2f7a-d756-543bdab7f966@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20180914114625.877bd04b64067eb0b65f6009@gmail.com>

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 22:43:54 +0200
Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Le 13/09/2018 ? 19:48, Tobias Boege a ?crit?:
> > On Thu, 13 Sep 2018, Me wrote:
> >> Dumb question, I know but...
> >>
> >> Specifically I want to get a copy of MyMenu.Children into an array of Menu[] so I can re-order it. However,
> >> Menu.Children is virtual (.Menu.Children).
> >> (I have a request to make the order of (a particular menu) user configureable.)
> >> I figured that if I can get a copy of the array, I could re-order it, clear the actual menu and re-add the menus in
> >> the required order.
> >>
> >> tia
> >> b
> >> p.s. I just noticed that Menu.Children is a collection not an array, but that doen't change my problem.
> >>
> > 
> > TL;DR: You can't do that *in-place* with a virtual object. You have to
> > make a completely new menu with the desired order and "plug that in",
> > though I'm not sure how to do that, see last paragraph. (Alternatively:
> > bug Benoit to implement Move* methods on .Menu.Children like we have
> > in TreeView, a Sort event like GridView or at least a Reparent method.)
> > 
> > There are two types of virtual classes: native and Gambas virtual classes.
> > You can distinguish them roughly by the component they are coming from,
> > or by the first character in their name:
> > 
> >    * a leading dot means native, e.g. .Menu.Children from the native gb.qt4
> >      component or .Watch.Events in gb.inotify, vs.
> >    * a leading underscore which means it's written in Gambas, e.g. _MapTile
> >      in gb.map.
> > 
> > This naming is not a requirement but a convention. [*]
> > 
> > A virtual class is meant to provide an alternate interface to some part of
> > an object. In native components, a virtual property is oftentimes implemented
> > by returning the exact same object but telling the interpreter to "cast" it
> > to some other class, so that you have a more specialised set of methods
> > available. The property accessor usually sets some sort of flag or records
> > some access parameter like the settings slot in _Settings_Keys._get() so
> > that the more specialised methods know where you wanted them to operate. [#]
> > You can see that with the way native virtual classes are named: .Menu.Children
> > is a virtual class for managing the .Children property of a Menu object and
> > .Watch.Events does the same for the .Events of a Watch. [~]
> > 
> > You may see the problem now: virtual objects don't actually exist. They are
> > just a volatile view on a specific part of an object. So you can't put them
> > in an array. As soon as the line where you accessed MyMenu.Children finished
> > executing, the virtual object is destroyed; the hidden state used by the
> > Menu object to tell that you are accessing .Children now might have been
> > overwritten already. Virtual classes can be declared in native components
> > but they aren't creatable and always have size zero <-- also answering your
> > Subject line.
> > 
> > You can of course re-use the menu items that the virtual Menu.Children shows
> > you, like so:
> > 
> >    Dim hMenu As Menu, aSubMenus As New Menu[]
> > 
> >    For Each hMenu In MyMenu.Children
> >      aSubMenus.Push(hMenu)
> >    Next
> > 
> > But even then, I'm stuck. You can reorder the submenus, put them into a new
> > parent menu but how do you get the new parent menu into your existing menu
> > hierarchy? I'm missing a Menu.Reparent() method (why does Menu not inherit
> > Control?) to plug just the changed menu into what you already have.
> > The only way I see right now is to rebuild your entire menu -- even the
> > remote parts that didn't change -- every time you have to reorder some
> > submenu. I've never been a menu user in Gambas. Maybe others found a recipe?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Tobi
> > 
> > PS: I moved into a new apartment and was absent from the internet for two
> > weeks. In my case, it went quite a way to show how much of my social life
> > happens over the cable. Anyway, this was a nice question to find on my
> > first day back. I may have written too much again, but that's because
> > I missed it :-)
> > 
> > [*] An outlier is _GridView_Cell in gb.qt4 which seems like it's both or
> > neither. The truth is that by now GridView is implemented in Gambas, in a
> > hidden gb.gui.base component and only *documented* in gb.qt4. So the leading
> > underscore tells the truth and the docs, as usual, lie.
> > 
> > [#] BTW, this is one of the obstacles of making Gambas thread-safe.
> > Lots of (all?) components rely on the assumption that they can just
> > put some data into a field in the object's underlying data structure
> > and return themselves to implement a virtual property and that the
> > data won't be touched until the virtual object is done. This is a
> > very cheap way of decluttering the interface of a class but also
> > very wrong in a multi-threaded environment.
> > 
> > [~] Actually, Gambas virtual classes (the ones which are non-native) are
> > just normal classes. The "casting part of an object to a different class"
> > is a strictly native feature. They probably shouldn't even be called
> > "virtual" but they are often used for the same purpose. The leading
> > underscore is generally used to make classes hidden, e.g. to the IDE
> > autocompletion popup. You could theoretically store these objects into
> > an array (and I remember doing that once) but that isn't safe either,
> > depending on what assumptions the class makes on its lifetime.
> > 
> 
> The problem is that Menus are not implemented in the underlying toolkits 
> as a tree of objects that I can reorder easily and freely.
> 
> So I had to make a minimal interface that allows to add menus only on 
> the end of a hierarchy, delete menus, and browse them. Hence the lack of 
> power of the Menus virtual class.
> 
> As for GridView reimplemented in Gambas, I had to mimic the old API.
> 
> And yes, it's not multithreading at all, but the toolkit GUI are usually 
> single-thread (the other threads can't do GUI stuff), except maybe the 
> new multithreaded CSS-based layout engines of Mozilla.
> 
> And I agree that "virtual" was badly chosen. It's right in its primary 
> sense, but it has too many associated meaning in computing language that 
> does not relate to what it means in Gambas.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -- 
> Beno?t Minisini
> 
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----

Well, I have gotten soooooo close, but. :-(
With everyones' input (and a lot of QT doc searching), here's what I have found, noting 
that the final step fails so the whole thing is moot really.

1. I can't re-order an existing menu but it is possible to insert a new menu at a 
specific position by copying all the subsequent menu items from the insertion point
in the parent menu out to an array, creating the target menu item in the parent and then
re-adding the copied out items. This got around the virtual class problem with .Menu.Children
as I can use Me.Children[index].

2. I can't just "copy" those subsequent menu items, I have to unmarshall all their properties
into a Variant[] and then create new menu items in the parent. This has the drawback that
the copied items cannot have children, but that is outside the scope of my immediate goal.
The reason they have to be unmarshalled is that when I delete the original menu items it renders
any "copy" of the menu invalid.

3. To do the above I created a MenuManager class that knows about the current form's 
menus and can manipulate them. It also knows about a "Position" property for the specific 
menus I am looking at.

4. The whole idea falls over because the menu manager does its stuff when the menu is created.
Unfortunately, this seems to be too early in the form loading/startup when the .form file has not been
read. I have had that problem before with some custom controls and solved that by deferring the 
mechanism until the control_Activate event fired, Menus don't have such an event, nor any other 
suitably delayed event I could leverage.

Such is life. Anyway I have used up the client's budget for this so I'll be puttting it away for now.

One thing I have noticed though. The QT4/5 QWidget classes both have an 
"insertAction(QAction * before, QAction * action)" function. My shallow reading of the docs leads me 
to ask the question, "If the CMenu.cpp class used that instead 
of addAction() in Menu_new, with an optional Position parameter could that get rid of the need to 
rebuild the whole menu?" (or does &^*%E$$ gtk preclude that as an alternative?). Note the only thing 
I can do with C++ is spell it.

regards
b
-- 
Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com>

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 14 09:44:48 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 09:44:48 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] How can I instantiate a virtual class?
In-Reply-To: <20180914114625.877bd04b64067eb0b65f6009@gmail.com>
References: <20180913104319.adf204a86e02d7b98288dc43@gmail.com>
 <20180913174325.GA1166@highrise.localdomain>
 <732dd32d-99f3-2f7a-d756-543bdab7f966@gmail.com>
 <20180914114625.877bd04b64067eb0b65f6009@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eb6dba2a-d7bb-0432-d778-b0f383094675@gmail.com>

Le 14/09/2018 ? 04:16, Me a ?crit?:
> 
> Well, I have gotten soooooo close, but. :-(
> With everyones' input (and a lot of QT doc searching), here's what I have found, noting
> that the final step fails so the whole thing is moot really.
> 
> 1. I can't re-order an existing menu but it is possible to insert a new menu at a
> specific position by copying all the subsequent menu items from the insertion point
> in the parent menu out to an array, creating the target menu item in the parent and then
> re-adding the copied out items. This got around the virtual class problem with .Menu.Children
> as I can use Me.Children[index].
> 
> 2. I can't just "copy" those subsequent menu items, I have to unmarshall all their properties
> into a Variant[] and then create new menu items in the parent. This has the drawback that
> the copied items cannot have children, but that is outside the scope of my immediate goal.
> The reason they have to be unmarshalled is that when I delete the original menu items it renders
> any "copy" of the menu invalid.
> 
> 3. To do the above I created a MenuManager class that knows about the current form's
> menus and can manipulate them. It also knows about a "Position" property for the specific
> menus I am looking at.
> 
> 4. The whole idea falls over because the menu manager does its stuff when the menu is created.
> Unfortunately, this seems to be too early in the form loading/startup when the .form file has not been
> read. I have had that problem before with some custom controls and solved that by deferring the
> mechanism until the control_Activate event fired, Menus don't have such an event, nor any other
> suitably delayed event I could leverage.
> 
> Such is life. Anyway I have used up the client's budget for this so I'll be puttting it away for now.
> 
> One thing I have noticed though. The QT4/5 QWidget classes both have an
> "insertAction(QAction * before, QAction * action)" function. My shallow reading of the docs leads me
> to ask the question, "If the CMenu.cpp class used that instead
> of addAction() in Menu_new, with an optional Position parameter could that get rid of the need to
> rebuild the whole menu?" (or does &^*%E$$ gtk preclude that as an alternative?). Note the only thing
> I can do with C++ is spell it.
> 
> regards
> b
> 

AFAIK, GTK+ allows to insert a menu at a specific position, and to move 
them. But QT only allows to insert a menu at a specific position. You 
can't move them after they have been inserted.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From markus.schatten at foi.hr  Fri Sep 14 18:15:07 2018
From: markus.schatten at foi.hr (Markus Schatten)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 18:15:07 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] PhD position - Database forensics in Gambas
Message-ID: <CAPV47oQ7kdb4KiBQf5=HD94OBfPv49CeqvK8R86uOCKyphLfNw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Gambas users,

Please excuse me for advertising, but this job might be interesting to some
of you. We are looking for a candidate for a PhD in database forensics for
a tool (implemented in Gambas) we are working on. In case you are
interested or know someone who might be, please do not hesitate to contact
me.

I'm forwarding the whole listing below:

------
As part of the Erasmus+ project ISSES (Information Security Services
Education in Serbia), the Croatian Science Foundation (HRZZ) sponsors a
4-year PhD position, which should be recruited at the Artificial
Intelligence Laboratory and the Centre for Biometrics, Computer Forensics
and Privacy at the University of Zagreb. The contest has been announced in
the national gazette (in Croatian, under no. 1) here
https://narodne-novine.nn.hr/clanci/oglasi/o8256553.html. The deadline for
application is October 5th, 2018, but please inquire earlier since
appropriate documentation has to be submitted.

The subject of the doctoral dissertation is related to the field of
database forensics, and the selected candidate will enroll in the doctoral
study "Information Science" at the Faculty of Organization and Informatics.

Terms & Conditions
- Completed graduate university or integral studies (master level) of
information technology or related disciplines.
- The total average of grades at the previous levels of study
(undergraduate, graduate or integrated study) sufficient for enrollment in
doctoral studies.

Desirable knowledge and skills:
- Enthusiasm in the field of databases, data science and open-source, and
the desire for learning and research.
- Basics of computer forensics and forensic analysis.
- Basics of relational database management systems (e.g. PostgreSQL, MySQL,
SQLite, Oracle, MS SQL and / or others).
- Basics of the so-called management system. NoSQL databases (e.g. MongoDB,
CouchDB, Redis, Teradata, ZODB and / or others).
- Good knowledge of programming languages for data processing (e.g. SQL,
Datalog, map / reduction techniques, XQuery and / or other), programming
languages for graphical interfaces (Visual Basic and / or Gambas etc.) and
scripting languages for working with data (Python, NodeJS and / or R).
- Programming Code Versions Management Tool (Git).

Interested candidates can contact markus.schatten at foi.hr for further
information on the project and work place.
------

All the best,

M.S.

--
Markus Schatten, PhD
Associate professor and head of Artificial Intelligence Lab
University of Zagreb
Faculty of Organization and Informatics
Pavlinska 2, 42000 Varazdin, Croatia
http://www.foi.hr/nastavnici/schatten.markus/index.html
http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Markus_Schatten1
http://ai.foi.hr
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 21 04:19:32 2018
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Me)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 11:49:32 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] Creating Actions at runtime
Message-ID: <20180921114932.fb77e4a200e1c0c783af1e1a@gmail.com>

I am trying to add a new menu at runtime. That works fine and it gets added into the Action.List. However, the menu has a shortcut and that doesn't get added into the shortcuts managed by Action.Configure.
The code is pretty straightforward:
	Dim TestMenu as Menu

	TestMenu = New Menu(mnuFile)
	With TestMenu
		.Name="mnuTest"
		.Caption="Test Action"
		.ShortCut="CTRL+T"
		Action="MENU.Test"
	End With

Any clues?
b
-- 
Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com>

From bagonergi at gmail.com  Fri Sep 21 09:49:27 2018
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 09:49:27 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Creating Actions at runtime
In-Reply-To: <20180921114932.fb77e4a200e1c0c783af1e1a@gmail.com>
References: <20180921114932.fb77e4a200e1c0c783af1e1a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2rqFZdjQ0s1E4XbpbFX6=YH1TUAHSUw9tZ_QW=nFqFH9f1jA@mail.gmail.com>

Il giorno ven 21 set 2018 alle ore 04:20 Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com> ha scritto:

> I am trying to add a new menu at runtime. That works fine and it gets
> added into the Action.List. However, the menu has a shortcut and that
> doesn't get added into the shortcuts managed by Action.Configure.
> The code is pretty straightforward:
>         Dim TestMenu as Menu
>
>         TestMenu = New Menu(mnuFile)
>         With TestMenu
>                 .Name="mnuTest"
>                 .Caption="Test Action"
>                 .ShortCut="CTRL+T"
>                 Action="MENU.Test"
>         End With
>
> Any clues?
> b
> --
> Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com>
>
>
Maybe by writing it this way:

Public Sub Form_Open()

  Dim TestMenu As Menu

  TestMenu = New Menu(mnuFile)
  With TestMenu
    .Name = "mnuTest"
    .Caption = "Test Action"
    '.ShortCut = "CTRL+T"
    .Action = "menu-test"
  End With
  Action["menu-test"].Shortcut = "CTRL+T"

End

Public Sub Action_Activate(sKey As String) As Boolean

  Select Case sKey
    Case "menu-test"
      Print "menu test"
  End Select

End

Regards
Gianluigi
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From hans at gambas-buch.de  Fri Sep 21 10:54:28 2018
From: hans at gambas-buch.de (Hans Lehmann)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 10:54:28 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Size of a directory
Message-ID: <b497f3e0-0c7a-e392-f796-5e641b06a978@gambas-buch.de>

Hello,

how do I determine the size (ilDirSize As Long) of a directory using Gambas?

With kind regards

Hans

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 21 11:26:18 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 11:26:18 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Size of a directory
In-Reply-To: <b497f3e0-0c7a-e392-f796-5e641b06a978@gambas-buch.de>
References: <b497f3e0-0c7a-e392-f796-5e641b06a978@gambas-buch.de>
Message-ID: <fb3a5f81-dc73-afa7-c7aa-9ba714fc8d85@gmail.com>

Le 21/09/2018 ? 10:54, Hans Lehmann a ?crit?:
> Hello,
> 
> how do I determine the size (ilDirSize As Long) of a directory using 
> Gambas?
> 
> With kind regards
> 
> Hans
> 
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
> 

You can't, because on Unix there is no system call to get the size of a 
directory. And I never understood the reason why they didn't implement that.

You have to browse the directory, and add the size of each file one by 
one. Very slow...

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From rwe-sse at osnanet.de  Fri Sep 21 11:52:30 2018
From: rwe-sse at osnanet.de (Rolf-Werner Eilert)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 11:52:30 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Size of a directory
In-Reply-To: <fb3a5f81-dc73-afa7-c7aa-9ba714fc8d85@gmail.com>
References: <b497f3e0-0c7a-e392-f796-5e641b06a978@gambas-buch.de>
 <fb3a5f81-dc73-afa7-c7aa-9ba714fc8d85@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b650ad10-b8ab-5149-add2-459633c0007f@osnanet.de>

Am 21.09.2018 um 11:26 schrieb Beno?t Minisini:
> Le 21/09/2018 ? 10:54, Hans Lehmann a ?crit?:
>> Hello,
>>
>> how do I determine the size (ilDirSize As Long) of a directory using 
>> Gambas?
>>
>> With kind regards
>>
>> Hans
>>
>> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
>>
> 
> You can't, because on Unix there is no system call to get the size of a 
> directory. And I never understood the reason why they didn't implement 
> that.
> 
> You have to browse the directory, and add the size of each file one by 
> one. Very slow...
> 

The reason is, what do want to know: only the size of the directory 
itself, or recursively all subdirectories too, and do you want files 
from links being included or excluded, and if so, only softlinks or 
hardlinks, and do you want a size in bytes or clusters...???

A ready-made function by the filesystem would not do anything else than 
a function you code for yourself in, say, C, and it could not be any 
faster. And it would have to cope with all exceptions and special 
wishes, so a decent one made for yourself would be almost faster anyway.

As far as I heard, the most advanced file systems like Btrfs (though I 
don't like it) offer such fancies. From Gambas this would mean to shell 
out and call the commandline function for it. Whereas - when we speak of 
Btrfs - the size left on the media is only a rough guess, so they 
recommend to keep at least 20 % as a security buffer. You will know why 
once you crossed the limit...

But when you stay whithin one directory and leave out any linked files 
and do not go recursive, then it can be rather fast. I know that from 
midnight commander.

Regards
Rolf

From pierrehenri.giraud at gmail.com  Fri Sep 21 13:13:58 2018
From: pierrehenri.giraud at gmail.com (Pierre Henri)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 13:13:58 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Probleme Creation page Web insertion scripts et css
Message-ID: <CAD+XC6eK98Tcj5Xt2Uk__Zh3amDGuhhkv20ffvGhrC3TAxmmyA@mail.gmail.com>

Bonjour

Dans un app .html qui contient css, javascript je souhaite extraire les css
et le javascript.
GB3 me permet de creer ces fichiers vides dans le dossier DATA, dans
lesquels je transf?re le code javascript dans un fichier .js, le code css
dans un fichier.css.
Ensuite je remplace les css de la page principale par le link adequate et
le nom du fichier css. Meme chose pour le javascript o? je met un <script
src="xxx.js"></script>.
Au lancement je constate que les css ne sont pas chargees et bien entendu
le fichier javascript.
Ma question: dois-je preciser un repertoire? Tant pour le css que js?
J'ai tout essaye. Rien ne fonctionne!
Merci de votre aide.
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 21 13:30:40 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 13:30:40 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Probleme Creation page Web insertion scripts et
 css
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XC6eK98Tcj5Xt2Uk__Zh3amDGuhhkv20ffvGhrC3TAxmmyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+XC6eK98Tcj5Xt2Uk__Zh3amDGuhhkv20ffvGhrC3TAxmmyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a032dddc-b403-4aeb-d5e3-bbbca13b3eb9@gmail.com>

Le 21/09/2018 ? 13:13, Pierre Henri a ?crit?:
> Bonjour
> 
> Dans un app .html qui contient css, javascript je souhaite extraire les 
> css et le javascript.
> GB3 me permet de creer ces fichiers vides dans le dossier DATA, dans 
> lesquels je transf?re le code javascript dans un fichier .js, le code 
> css dans un fichier.css.
> Ensuite je remplace les css de la page principale par le link adequate 
> et le nom du fichier css. Meme chose pour le javascript o? je met un 
> <script src="xxx.js"></script>.
> Au lancement je constate que les css ne sont pas chargees et bien 
> entendu le fichier javascript.
> Ma question: dois-je preciser un repertoire? Tant pour le css que js?
> J'ai tout essaye. Rien ne fonctionne!
> Merci de votre aide.
> 
> 
> 
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
> 

This is an english mailing-list. Please post in english!

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 21 14:20:28 2018
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Me)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 21:50:28 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] Size of a directory
In-Reply-To: <b650ad10-b8ab-5149-add2-459633c0007f@osnanet.de>
References: <b497f3e0-0c7a-e392-f796-5e641b06a978@gambas-buch.de>
 <fb3a5f81-dc73-afa7-c7aa-9ba714fc8d85@gmail.com>
 <b650ad10-b8ab-5149-add2-459633c0007f@osnanet.de>
Message-ID: <20180921215028.6844a2f1c3373e6a79b4d0f1@gmail.com>

On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 11:52:30 +0200
Rolf-Werner Eilert <rwe-sse at osnanet.de> wrote:

> Am 21.09.2018 um 11:26 schrieb Beno?t Minisini:
> > Le 21/09/2018 ? 10:54, Hans Lehmann a ?crit?:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> how do I determine the size (ilDirSize As Long) of a directory using 
> >> Gambas?
> >>
> >> With kind regards
> >>
> >> Hans
> >>
> >> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
> >>
> > 
> > You can't, because on Unix there is no system call to get the size of a 
> > directory. And I never understood the reason why they didn't implement 
> > that.
> > 
> > You have to browse the directory, and add the size of each file one by 
> > one. Very slow...
> > 
> 
> The reason is, what do want to know: only the size of the directory 
> itself, or recursively all subdirectories too, and do you want files 
> from links being included or excluded, and if so, only softlinks or 
> hardlinks, and do you want a size in bytes or clusters...???
> 
> A ready-made function by the filesystem would not do anything else than 
> a function you code for yourself in, say, C, and it could not be any 
> faster. And it would have to cope with all exceptions and special 
> wishes, so a decent one made for yourself would be almost faster anyway.
> 
> As far as I heard, the most advanced file systems like Btrfs (though I 
> don't like it) offer such fancies. From Gambas this would mean to shell 
> out and call the commandline function for it. Whereas - when we speak of 
> Btrfs - the size left on the media is only a rough guess, so they 
> recommend to keep at least 20 % as a security buffer. You will know why 
> once you crossed the limit...
> 
> But when you stay whithin one directory and leave out any linked files 
> and do not go recursive, then it can be rather fast. I know that from 
> midnight commander.
> 
> Regards
> Rolf
> 
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----

du

Don't know. Is that still around? Back in the good old days of limited disk space that was the goto
to find out who/where the disk hogs were. Lots of command line options and you have to parse
the output, But it beats the hell out of writing recursive ...

du -shu ..nope ... 
du -sh * ... nope
man du ...nope
info du ? ...no i dont have info any more.

ah to hell with it... https://www.google.com/search?q=linux+du+command&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab

hth
b
-- 
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From sebikul at gmail.com  Fri Sep 21 14:24:32 2018
From: sebikul at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Sebasti=C3=A1n_Kulesz?=)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 09:24:32 -0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] Size of a directory
In-Reply-To: <20180921215028.6844a2f1c3373e6a79b4d0f1@gmail.com>
References: <b497f3e0-0c7a-e392-f796-5e641b06a978@gambas-buch.de>
 <fb3a5f81-dc73-afa7-c7aa-9ba714fc8d85@gmail.com>
 <b650ad10-b8ab-5149-add2-459633c0007f@osnanet.de>
 <20180921215028.6844a2f1c3373e6a79b4d0f1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAkQKUZpYGjEP1ei1=Jw0iaZT6TL2MTp+bxVhW7J6L+imgjgTA@mail.gmail.com>

? already implemented that solution in a module here:
https://github.com/sebikul/mundus/blob/master/.src/PathHelper.module

You are free to use it if it suits your needs!

Regards

On Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 09:21 Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 11:52:30 +0200
> Rolf-Werner Eilert <rwe-sse at osnanet.de> wrote:
>
> > Am 21.09.2018 um 11:26 schrieb Beno?t Minisini:
> > > Le 21/09/2018 ? 10:54, Hans Lehmann a ?crit :
> > >> Hello,
> > >>
> > >> how do I determine the size (ilDirSize As Long) of a directory using
> > >> Gambas?
> > >>
> > >> With kind regards
> > >>
> > >> Hans
> > >>
> > >> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
> ]----
> > >>
> > >
> > > You can't, because on Unix there is no system call to get the size of
> a
> > > directory. And I never understood the reason why they didn't implement
> > > that.
> > >
> > > You have to browse the directory, and add the size of each file one by
> > > one. Very slow...
> > >
> >
> > The reason is, what do want to know: only the size of the directory
> > itself, or recursively all subdirectories too, and do you want files
> > from links being included or excluded, and if so, only softlinks or
> > hardlinks, and do you want a size in bytes or clusters...???
> >
> > A ready-made function by the filesystem would not do anything else than
> > a function you code for yourself in, say, C, and it could not be any
> > faster. And it would have to cope with all exceptions and special
> > wishes, so a decent one made for yourself would be almost faster anyway.
> >
> > As far as I heard, the most advanced file systems like Btrfs (though I
> > don't like it) offer such fancies. From Gambas this would mean to shell
> > out and call the commandline function for it. Whereas - when we speak of
> > Btrfs - the size left on the media is only a rough guess, so they
> > recommend to keep at least 20 % as a security buffer. You will know why
> > once you crossed the limit...
> >
> > But when you stay whithin one directory and leave out any linked files
> > and do not go recursive, then it can be rather fast. I know that from
> > midnight commander.
> >
> > Regards
> > Rolf
> >
> > ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
>
> du
>
> Don't know. Is that still around? Back in the good old days of limited
> disk space that was the goto
> to find out who/where the disk hogs were. Lots of command line options and
> you have to parse
> the output, But it beats the hell out of writing recursive ...
>
> du -shu ..nope ...
> du -sh * ... nope
> man du ...nope
> info du ? ...no i dont have info any more.
>
> ah to hell with it...
> https://www.google.com/search?q=linux+du+command&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab
>
> hth
> b
> --
> Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com>
>
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Fri Sep 21 16:46:40 2018
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 10:46:40 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Size of a directory
In-Reply-To: <CAAkQKUZpYGjEP1ei1=Jw0iaZT6TL2MTp+bxVhW7J6L+imgjgTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b497f3e0-0c7a-e392-f796-5e641b06a978@gambas-buch.de>
 <fb3a5f81-dc73-afa7-c7aa-9ba714fc8d85@gmail.com>
 <b650ad10-b8ab-5149-add2-459633c0007f@osnanet.de>
 <20180921215028.6844a2f1c3373e6a79b4d0f1@gmail.com>
 <CAAkQKUZpYGjEP1ei1=Jw0iaZT6TL2MTp+bxVhW7J6L+imgjgTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALci+FRKwzTCKuqi-V6cO9u4gWv=bsZ5Zid++xrvNGubw8aZ=A@mail.gmail.com>

pathhelper get's dir size or dirsize+recursive ?

i can see implement by the du commandline.. if root access?

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2018-09-21 8:24 GMT-04:00 Sebasti?n Kulesz <sebikul at gmail.com>:

> ? already implemented that solution in a module here: https://github.com/
> sebikul/mundus/blob/master/.src/PathHelper.module
>
> You are free to use it if it suits your needs!
>
> Regards
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 09:21 Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 11:52:30 +0200
>> Rolf-Werner Eilert <rwe-sse at osnanet.de> wrote:
>>
>> > Am 21.09.2018 um 11:26 schrieb Beno?t Minisini:
>> > > Le 21/09/2018 ? 10:54, Hans Lehmann a ?crit :
>> > >> Hello,
>> > >>
>> > >> how do I determine the size (ilDirSize As Long) of a directory using
>> > >> Gambas?
>> > >>
>> > >> With kind regards
>> > >>
>> > >> Hans
>> > >>
>> > >> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
>> ]----
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > You can't, because on Unix there is no system call to get the size of
>> a
>> > > directory. And I never understood the reason why they didn't
>> implement
>> > > that.
>> > >
>> > > You have to browse the directory, and add the size of each file one
>> by
>> > > one. Very slow...
>> > >
>> >
>> > The reason is, what do want to know: only the size of the directory
>> > itself, or recursively all subdirectories too, and do you want files
>> > from links being included or excluded, and if so, only softlinks or
>> > hardlinks, and do you want a size in bytes or clusters...???
>> >
>> > A ready-made function by the filesystem would not do anything else than
>> > a function you code for yourself in, say, C, and it could not be any
>> > faster. And it would have to cope with all exceptions and special
>> > wishes, so a decent one made for yourself would be almost faster anyway.
>> >
>> > As far as I heard, the most advanced file systems like Btrfs (though I
>> > don't like it) offer such fancies. From Gambas this would mean to shell
>> > out and call the commandline function for it. Whereas - when we speak
>> of
>> > Btrfs - the size left on the media is only a rough guess, so they
>> > recommend to keep at least 20 % as a security buffer. You will know why
>> > once you crossed the limit...
>> >
>> > But when you stay whithin one directory and leave out any linked files
>> > and do not go recursive, then it can be rather fast. I know that from
>> > midnight commander.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Rolf
>> >
>> > ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
>> ]----
>>
>> du
>>
>> Don't know. Is that still around? Back in the good old days of limited
>> disk space that was the goto
>> to find out who/where the disk hogs were. Lots of command line options
>> and you have to parse
>> the output, But it beats the hell out of writing recursive ...
>>
>> du -shu ..nope ...
>> du -sh * ... nope
>> man du ...nope
>> info du ? ...no i dont have info any more.
>>
>> ah to hell with it... https://www.google.com/search?
>> q=linux+du+command&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab
>>
>> hth
>> b
>> --
>> Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com>
>>
>> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
>>
>
>
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From tmorehen at ajm-software.com  Fri Sep 21 17:30:14 2018
From: tmorehen at ajm-software.com (Tony Morehen)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 11:30:14 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Size of a directory
In-Reply-To: <b497f3e0-0c7a-e392-f796-5e641b06a978@gambas-buch.de>
References: <b497f3e0-0c7a-e392-f796-5e641b06a978@gambas-buch.de>
Message-ID: <904c7b58-e132-633f-2585-bc1eb35dc27e@ajm-software.com>

Here's an all Gambas function.? It's recursive and includes the size of 
the original directory.? It's comparable in speed to du.

Public Function ScanDir(sDir As String) As Long

 ? Dim sFile As String
 ? Dim sPath As String
 ? Dim hStat As Stat
 ? Dim aDir As String[]
 ? Dim iSize As Long

 ? Try hStat = Stat(sDir)
 ? If Error Then Return -1
 ? iSize = hStat.Size
 ? If hStat.Type <> gb.Directory Then Return iSize
 ? Try aDir = Dir(sDir)

 ? For Each sFile In aDir

 ??? sPath = sDir &/ sFile
 ??? Try hStat = Stat(sPath)
 ??? If Error Then Continue

 ??? With hStat
 ????? If .Type = gb.Directory Then
 ??????? Try iSize += ScanDir(sPath)
 ????? Endif
 ????? Try iSize += .Size
 ??? End With
 ? Next
 ? Return iSize

End

On 2018-09-21 3:54 a.m., Hans Lehmann wrote:
> Hello,
>
> how do I determine the size (ilDirSize As Long) of a directory using 
> Gambas?
>
> With kind regards
>
> Hans
>
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----


From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Sat Sep 22 09:04:10 2018
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 09:04:10 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Size of a directory
In-Reply-To: <904c7b58-e132-633f-2585-bc1eb35dc27e@ajm-software.com>
References: <b497f3e0-0c7a-e392-f796-5e641b06a978@gambas-buch.de>
 <904c7b58-e132-633f-2585-bc1eb35dc27e@ajm-software.com>
Message-ID: <CAFkCsL5pc_Rp9xvgbM19kMgdWhN2tUgvsDVjOdv8SidJNg=mkQ@mail.gmail.com>

Le ven. 21 sept. 2018 17:47, Tony Morehen <tmorehen at ajm-software.com> a
?crit :

> Here's an all Gambas function.  It's recursive and includes the size of
> the original directory.  It's comparable in speed to du.
>
> Public Function ScanDir(sDir As String) As Long
>
>    Dim sFile As String
>    Dim sPath As String
>    Dim hStat As Stat
>    Dim aDir As String[]
>    Dim iSize As Long
>
>    Try hStat = Stat(sDir)
>    If Error Then Return -1
>    iSize = hStat.Size
>    If hStat.Type <> gb.Directory Then Return iSize
>    Try aDir = Dir(sDir)
>
>    For Each sFile In aDir
>
>      sPath = sDir &/ sFile
>      Try hStat = Stat(sPath)
>      If Error Then Continue
>
>      With hStat
>        If .Type = gb.Directory Then
>          Try iSize += ScanDir(sPath)
>        Endif
>        Try iSize += .Size
>      End With
>    Next
>    Return iSize
>
> End
>

This is not a bad function but there is some little things illogical.

You must not manage errors is the function as it return in this case a
false value not managed. It is better if you let Gambas propagate an error
you manage then on the initial call.

Public Function ScanDir(sDir As String) As Long

   Dim sFile As String
   Dim sPath As String
   Dim hStat As Stat
   Dim iSize As Long
   'Generate an error if it is not a dir

   For Each sFile In Dir (sDir)

     sPath = sDir &/ sFile
     hStat = Stat(sPath)
     With hStat
       If .Type = gb.Directory Then
         iSize += ScanDir(sPath)
       Endif
       iSize += .Size
     End With
   Next
   Return iSize

End

Use will be

Try ISize =Scandir (sDir)

If error  then... it is not possible to get the dir size.

In this function we can (need) add management for links


--
Fabien

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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 23 09:27:13 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 09:27:13 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Using strings like objects
Message-ID: <96c17671-d74f-841f-1eab-22f17c84410b@gmail.com>

Hi,

Since last commit, I allowed strings to be used like objects.

This is not syntactic sugar, as it is entirely implemented in the 
interpreter.

So now, if S is a string, you can do the following:

S[N] to get the N-th character of the string. Beware! Contrary to string 
subroutines, the first character position is zero. It's like using the 
string as a character array.

S[N, L] is an equivalent of Mid$(S, N + 1, L).

S.Len returns the length of the string.

S[] only deals with byte position, it can't handle UTF-8.

That new syntax is slower than calling directly Mid$() and Len(), but I 
don't think we will notice the difference.

Maybe I will add a S.Max property to returns the length minus one, but I 
don't think I will implement all the string routines as object methods.

Tell me what you think about that.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From hans at gambas-buch.de  Sun Sep 23 09:57:25 2018
From: hans at gambas-buch.de (Hans Lehmann)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 09:57:25 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Move ... Kill function (File & Directory Functions)
Message-ID: <82f9fd87-920a-a4d0-32eb-32d73124b229@gambas-buch.de>

Hello,

I don't understand the documentation for the Move ... Kill function 
(File & Directory Functions), nor do I recognize a typical application 
of this function. Can anyone help me with a good explanation and an example?

Yours sincerely

Hans

From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Sun Sep 23 10:36:23 2018
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 10:36:23 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Move ... Kill function (File & Directory
 Functions)
In-Reply-To: <82f9fd87-920a-a4d0-32eb-32d73124b229@gambas-buch.de>
References: <82f9fd87-920a-a4d0-32eb-32d73124b229@gambas-buch.de>
Message-ID: <CAFkCsL69d_-CX0=8Ym6i8uU0sdK+jTH=JCJHW5OhF2HXTP10Zw@mail.gmail.com>

Kill path-to-file

Delete a file


Move path-of-source To path-of-target

move and/or rename a file

Le dim. 23 sept. 2018 09:58, Hans Lehmann <hans at gambas-buch.de> a ?crit :

> Hello,
>
> I don't understand the documentation for the Move ... Kill function
> (File & Directory Functions), nor do I recognize a typical application
> of this function. Can anyone help me with a good explanation and an
> example?
>
> Yours sincerely
>
> Hans
>
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
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From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Sun Sep 23 11:07:48 2018
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 11:07:48 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Using strings like objects
In-Reply-To: <96c17671-d74f-841f-1eab-22f17c84410b@gmail.com>
References: <96c17671-d74f-841f-1eab-22f17c84410b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFkCsL7FSwR4Q5EP6b4RQi-jbXUX2JgOOK51O=6vMp2_rR=KPg@mail.gmail.com>

Le dim. 23 sept. 2018 09:28, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Hi,
>
> Since last commit, I allowed strings to be used like objects.
>
> This is not syntactic sugar, as it is entirely implemented in the
> interpreter.
>
> So now, if S is a string, you can do the following:
>
> S[N] to get the N-th character of the string. Beware! Contrary to string
> subroutines, the first character position is zero. It's like using the
> string as a character array.
>
> S[N, L] is an equivalent of Mid$(S, N + 1, L).
>
> S.Len returns the length of the string.
>
> S[] only deals with byte position, it can't handle UTF-8.
>
> That new syntax is slower than calling directly Mid$() and Len(), but I
> don't think we will notice the difference.
>
> Maybe I will add a S.Max property to returns the length minus one, but I
> don't think I will implement all the string routines as object methods.
>
> Tell me what you think about that.
>
I think it's coool but I want all the string functions ?

> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 23 11:26:52 2018
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Me)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 18:56:52 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] Using strings like objects
In-Reply-To: <96c17671-d74f-841f-1eab-22f17c84410b@gmail.com>
References: <96c17671-d74f-841f-1eab-22f17c84410b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20180923185652.4d4eff31d65b6e08dd12536e@gmail.com>

On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 09:27:13 +0200
Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Since last commit, I allowed strings to be used like objects.
> 
> This is not syntactic sugar, as it is entirely implemented in the 
> interpreter.
> 
> So now, if S is a string, you can do the following:
> 
> S[N] to get the N-th character of the string. Beware! Contrary to string 
> subroutines, the first character position is zero. It's like using the 
> string as a character array.
> 
> S[N, L] is an equivalent of Mid$(S, N + 1, L).
> 
> S.Len returns the length of the string.
> 
> S[] only deals with byte position, it can't handle UTF-8.
> 
> That new syntax is slower than calling directly Mid$() and Len(), but I 
> don't think we will notice the difference.
> 
> Maybe I will add a S.Max property to returns the length minus one, but I 
> don't think I will implement all the string routines as object methods.
> 
> Tell me what you think about that.
> 
> -- 
> Beno?t Minisini
> 
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----

I think that is wonderful! Only one thing, we often have to search backwards in strings for various reasons, so
S.Reverse would be a great help.

regards
b


-- 
Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com>

From hans at gambas-buch.de  Sun Sep 23 11:35:48 2018
From: hans at gambas-buch.de (Hans Lehmann)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 11:35:48 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Move ... Kill function (File & Directory
 Functions)
In-Reply-To: <CAFkCsL69d_-CX0=8Ym6i8uU0sdK+jTH=JCJHW5OhF2HXTP10Zw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <82f9fd87-920a-a4d0-32eb-32d73124b229@gambas-buch.de>
 <CAFkCsL69d_-CX0=8Ym6i8uU0sdK+jTH=JCJHW5OhF2HXTP10Zw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <91aada27-81d1-4321-9a58-42a26c90dd09@gambas-buch.de>

Hello,

I'm sorry, but I meant this: MOVE OldName KILL NewName

Yours sincerely

Hans

From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Sun Sep 23 11:40:10 2018
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 11:40:10 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Move ... Kill function (File & Directory
 Functions)
In-Reply-To: <91aada27-81d1-4321-9a58-42a26c90dd09@gambas-buch.de>
References: <82f9fd87-920a-a4d0-32eb-32d73124b229@gambas-buch.de>
 <CAFkCsL69d_-CX0=8Ym6i8uU0sdK+jTH=JCJHW5OhF2HXTP10Zw@mail.gmail.com>
 <91aada27-81d1-4321-9a58-42a26c90dd09@gambas-buch.de>
Message-ID: <CAFkCsL6giccfTBrt6MNHS12BaCedqSEA6w9MqZzXYwyc3t3q6w@mail.gmail.com>

Normally a move to an existing file will raise an error 'file already exist'

In this case kill act like an option that erase the dest file first and
then move can do the job

Le dim. 23 sept. 2018 11:36, Hans Lehmann <hans at gambas-buch.de> a ?crit :

> Hello,
>
> I'm sorry, but I meant this: MOVE OldName KILL NewName
>
> Yours sincerely
>
> Hans
>
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From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Sun Sep 23 15:42:19 2018
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 15:42:19 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Using strings like objects
In-Reply-To: <20180923185652.4d4eff31d65b6e08dd12536e@gmail.com>
References: <96c17671-d74f-841f-1eab-22f17c84410b@gmail.com>
 <20180923185652.4d4eff31d65b6e08dd12536e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFkCsL65ZkMB_p=WNhc5_6K0cQT49baD7Mc7umCyfT3iCkQVxw@mail.gmail.com>

And sugards ;-)

S[5,3] = "toto"

s.replace("&1", "toto")
i = s.left(3)

etc.

s[s.instr("test"), s.len]
=
Mid(s, instr(s, "test"),len(s))







Le dim. 23 sept. 2018 ? 11:27, Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 09:27:13 +0200
> Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Since last commit, I allowed strings to be used like objects.
> >
> > This is not syntactic sugar, as it is entirely implemented in the
> > interpreter.
> >
> > So now, if S is a string, you can do the following:
> >
> > S[N] to get the N-th character of the string. Beware! Contrary to string
> > subroutines, the first character position is zero. It's like using the
> > string as a character array.
> >
> > S[N, L] is an equivalent of Mid$(S, N + 1, L).
> >
> > S.Len returns the length of the string.
> >
> > S[] only deals with byte position, it can't handle UTF-8.
> >
> > That new syntax is slower than calling directly Mid$() and Len(), but I
> > don't think we will notice the difference.
> >
> > Maybe I will add a S.Max property to returns the length minus one, but I
> > don't think I will implement all the string routines as object methods.
> >
> > Tell me what you think about that.
> >
> > --
> > Beno?t Minisini
> >
> > ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
>
> I think that is wonderful! Only one thing, we often have to search
> backwards in strings for various reasons, so
> S.Reverse would be a great help.
>
> regards
> b
>
>
> --
> Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com>
>
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
>


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From hans at gambas-buch.de  Sun Sep 23 16:01:58 2018
From: hans at gambas-buch.de (Hans Lehmann)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 16:01:58 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Move ... Kill function (File & Directory
 Functions)
In-Reply-To: <CAFkCsL6giccfTBrt6MNHS12BaCedqSEA6w9MqZzXYwyc3t3q6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <82f9fd87-920a-a4d0-32eb-32d73124b229@gambas-buch.de>
 <CAFkCsL69d_-CX0=8Ym6i8uU0sdK+jTH=JCJHW5OhF2HXTP10Zw@mail.gmail.com>
 <91aada27-81d1-4321-9a58-42a26c90dd09@gambas-buch.de>
 <CAFkCsL6giccfTBrt6MNHS12BaCedqSEA6w9MqZzXYwyc3t3q6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <231280b3-def6-b6be-435e-c12c7faf3ac8@gambas-buch.de>

Hello Fabien,

thank you very much for the short explanation - fits.
The function chain 'MOVE OldName KILL NewName' obviously replaces the 
following source code:

If Not (Exist(sDestinationPath & sFileName)) Then
 ?? Try Copy sSourcePath &/ sFileName To sDestinationPath &/ sFileName
Else
 ?? Kill sDestinationPath &/ sFileName
 ?? Try Copy sSourcePath &/ sFileName To sDestinationPath &/ sFileName
 ?? If Error Then
 ????? Message.Error("Error! " & Error.Text)
 ????? Return
 ?? Endif
Endif

Is this correct?

Yours sincerely

Hans

From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Sun Sep 23 16:03:50 2018
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 16:03:50 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Move ... Kill function (File & Directory
 Functions)
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The second part yes

Le dim. 23 sept. 2018 16:02, Hans Lehmann <hans at gambas-buch.de> a ?crit :

> Hello Fabien,
>
> thank you very much for the short explanation - fits.
> The function chain 'MOVE OldName KILL NewName' obviously replaces the
> following source code:
>
> If Not (Exist(sDestinationPath & sFileName)) Then
>     Try Copy sSourcePath &/ sFileName To sDestinationPath &/ sFileName
> Else
>     Kill sDestinationPath &/ sFileName
>     Try Copy sSourcePath &/ sFileName To sDestinationPath &/ sFileName
>     If Error Then
>        Message.Error("Error! " & Error.Text)
>        Return
>     Endif
> Endif
>
> Is this correct?
>
> Yours sincerely
>
> Hans
>
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From hans at gambas-buch.de  Sun Sep 23 16:34:51 2018
From: hans at gambas-buch.de (Hans Lehmann)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 16:34:51 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Move ... Kill function (File & Directory
 Functions)
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Hello Fabien,

thank you so much for your answer.
Here is the modified and verified source code:

Public Sub btnMoveKill_Click()

 ? Dim sSourcePath, sDestinationPath, sFilename As String

 ? sSourcePath = User.Home &/ "DW"
 ? sDestinationPath = User.Home &/ "GB3BUCH"
 ? sFileName = "dokuwiki_syntax.txt"

' Check whether the file to be moved exists.
 ? If Exist(sSourcePath &/ sFileName) Then
 ?? ' Now check if moveto directory exists
 ???? If Not Exist(sDestinationPath) Then
 ??????? Try Mkdir sDestinationPath
 ??????? If Error Then
 ?????????? Message.Error("Error! " & Error.Text)
 ?????????? Return
 ??????? Endif
 ???? Endif
 ? ' Now the file is moved
 ??? Move sSourcePath &/ sFileName Kill sDestinationPath &/ sFileName
 ? Else
 ???? Message.Error("File not exist: " & sFileName)
 ???? Return
 ? Endif

 ? Message.Info("File '" & sFileName & "' successfully moved!")

End

Hans

From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Sun Sep 23 16:48:03 2018
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 16:48:03 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Move ... Kill function (File & Directory
 Functions)
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Public Sub btnMoveKill_Click()
  Dim sSourcePath, sDestinationPath, sFilename As String

  sSourcePath = User.Home &/ "DW"
  sDestinationPath = User.Home &/ "GB3BUCH"
  sFileName = "dokuwiki_syntax.txt"

' Check whether the file to be moved exists.
  If Exist(sSourcePath &/ sFileName) Then
   Message.Error("File not exist: " & sFileName)
   Return
  Endif

  Move sSourcePath &/ sFileName Kill sDestinationPath &/ sFileName

  Message.Info("File '" & sFileName & "' successfully moved!")

End


Public Sub btnMoveKill_Click()
Dim sSourcePath, sDestinationPath, sFilename As String

   sSourcePath = User.Home &/ "DW"
   sDestinationPath = User.Home &/ "GB3BUCH"
   sFileName = "dokuwiki_syntax.txt"

' Check whether the file to be moved exists.

  Move sSourcePath &/ sFileName Kill sDestinationPath &/ sFileName
  Message.Info("File '" & sFileName & "' successfully moved!")

Catch
  Message.Error(Error.Text)
End


i think the second way can do the job too but i've not tested it yet

Le dim. 23 sept. 2018 16:35, Hans Lehmann <hans at gambas-buch.de> a ?crit :

> Hello Fabien,
>
> thank you so much for your answer.
> Here is the modified and verified source code:
>
> Public Sub btnMoveKill_Click()
>
>    Dim sSourcePath, sDestinationPath, sFilename As String
>
>    sSourcePath = User.Home &/ "DW"
>    sDestinationPath = User.Home &/ "GB3BUCH"
>    sFileName = "dokuwiki_syntax.txt"
>
> ' Check whether the file to be moved exists.
>    If Exist(sSourcePath &/ sFileName) Then
>     ' Now check if moveto directory exists
>       If Not Exist(sDestinationPath) Then
>          Try Mkdir sDestinationPath
>          If Error Then
>             Message.Error("Error! " & Error.Text)
>             Return
>          Endif
>       Endif
>    ' Now the file is moved
>      Move sSourcePath &/ sFileName Kill sDestinationPath &/ sFileName
>    Else
>       Message.Error("File not exist: " & sFileName)
>       Return
>    Endif
>
>    Message.Info("File '" & sFileName & "' successfully moved!")
>
> End
>
> Hans
>
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 23 17:06:40 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 17:06:40 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Move ... Kill function (File & Directory
 Functions)
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Le 23/09/2018 ? 16:01, Hans Lehmann a ?crit?:
> Hello Fabien,
> 
> thank you very much for the short explanation - fits.
> The function chain 'MOVE OldName KILL NewName' obviously replaces the 
> following source code:
> 
> If Not (Exist(sDestinationPath & sFileName)) Then
>  ?? Try Copy sSourcePath &/ sFileName To sDestinationPath &/ sFileName
> Else
>  ?? Kill sDestinationPath &/ sFileName
>  ?? Try Copy sSourcePath &/ sFileName To sDestinationPath &/ sFileName
>  ?? If Error Then
>  ????? Message.Error("Error! " & Error.Text)
>  ????? Return
>  ?? Endif
> Endif
> 
> Is this correct?
> 
> Yours sincerely
> 
> Hans
> 

Not really: the important word in the command description is "atomic".

Killing and then moving the file does the same thing, but not 
atomically, i.e. there is a time interval during which the target file 
does not exist.

Which is not the case with the MOVE ... KILL ... variant. Linux 
guarantees that the target file always exist (being the older or the 
newer).

This is very important if you need to save a file, being able to 
rollback if there is a problem, and always have a correct version 
existing on the disk.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From tmorehen at ajm-software.com  Sun Sep 23 16:53:02 2018
From: tmorehen at ajm-software.com (Tony Morehen)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 10:53:02 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Move ... Kill function (File & Directory
 Functions)
In-Reply-To: <af4185c0-3119-e9a5-ea98-d90c6bb8dc0d@gambas-buch.de>
References: <82f9fd87-920a-a4d0-32eb-32d73124b229@gambas-buch.de>
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A note of caution:

Move cannot move a file between drives.? It fails with error code 38 
System error #18: Invalid cross-device link. In such a case, you must 
copy the file then delete the source.

I'm not sure what happens in such a case with Move...Kill.? Does the 
Kill destination happen before the error?? Is that a problem?

On 2018-09-23 9:34 a.m., Hans Lehmann wrote:
> Hello Fabien,
>
> thank you so much for your answer.
> Here is the modified and verified source code:
>
> Public Sub btnMoveKill_Click()
>
> ? Dim sSourcePath, sDestinationPath, sFilename As String
>
> ? sSourcePath = User.Home &/ "DW"
> ? sDestinationPath = User.Home &/ "GB3BUCH"
> ? sFileName = "dokuwiki_syntax.txt"
>
> ' Check whether the file to be moved exists.
> ? If Exist(sSourcePath &/ sFileName) Then
> ?? ' Now check if moveto directory exists
> ???? If Not Exist(sDestinationPath) Then
> ??????? Try Mkdir sDestinationPath
> ??????? If Error Then
> ?????????? Message.Error("Error! " & Error.Text)
> ?????????? Return
> ??????? Endif
> ???? Endif
> ? ' Now the file is moved
> ??? Move sSourcePath &/ sFileName Kill sDestinationPath &/ sFileName
> ? Else
> ???? Message.Error("File not exist: " & sFileName)
> ???? Return
> ? Endif
>
> ? Message.Info("File '" & sFileName & "' successfully moved!")
>
> End
>
> Hans
>
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----


From tmorehen at ajm-software.com  Sun Sep 23 17:17:51 2018
From: tmorehen at ajm-software.com (Tony Morehen)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 11:17:51 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Move ... Kill function (File & Directory
 Functions)
In-Reply-To: <2665abcd-7d95-d8bd-e151-f7e6317a74d0@gmail.com>
References: <82f9fd87-920a-a4d0-32eb-32d73124b229@gambas-buch.de>
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 <91aada27-81d1-4321-9a58-42a26c90dd09@gambas-buch.de>
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This answers my concern.

On 2018-09-23 10:06 a.m., Beno?t Minisini wrote:
> Le 23/09/2018 ? 16:01, Hans Lehmann a ?crit?:
>> Hello Fabien,
>>
>> thank you very much for the short explanation - fits.
>> The function chain 'MOVE OldName KILL NewName' obviously replaces the 
>> following source code:
>>
>> If Not (Exist(sDestinationPath & sFileName)) Then
>> ??? Try Copy sSourcePath &/ sFileName To sDestinationPath &/ sFileName
>> Else
>> ??? Kill sDestinationPath &/ sFileName
>> ??? Try Copy sSourcePath &/ sFileName To sDestinationPath &/ sFileName
>> ??? If Error Then
>> ?????? Message.Error("Error! " & Error.Text)
>> ?????? Return
>> ??? Endif
>> Endif
>>
>> Is this correct?
>>
>> Yours sincerely
>>
>> Hans
>>
>
> Not really: the important word in the command description is "atomic".
>
> Killing and then moving the file does the same thing, but not 
> atomically, i.e. there is a time interval during which the target file 
> does not exist.
>
> Which is not the case with the MOVE ... KILL ... variant. Linux 
> guarantees that the target file always exist (being the older or the 
> newer).
>
> This is very important if you need to save a file, being able to 
> rollback if there is a problem, and always have a correct version 
> existing on the disk.
>
> Regards,
>


From hans at gambas-buch.de  Sun Sep 23 18:04:51 2018
From: hans at gambas-buch.de (Hans Lehmann)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 18:04:51 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Move ... Kill function (File & Directory
 Functions)
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Am 23.09.2018 um 16:48 schrieb Fabien Bodard:
> Public Sub btnMoveKill_Click()
> Dim sSourcePath, sDestinationPath, sFilename As String
>
> ? ?sSourcePath = User.Home &/ "DW"
> ? ?sDestinationPath = User.Home &/ "GB3BUCH"
> ? ?sFileName = "dokuwiki_syntax.txt"
>
> ' Check whether the file to be moved exists.
> ? Move sSourcePath &/ sFileName Kill sDestinationPath &/ sFileName
> ? Message.Info("File '" & sFileName & "' successfully moved!")
> Catch
> ? Message.Error(Error.Text)
> End
>
>
> i think the second way can do the job too but i've not tested it yet

Hello Fabien,

the shortened variant also works well.Thanks!

Greetings

Hans

From charlie at cogier.com  Sun Sep 23 22:49:25 2018
From: charlie at cogier.com (Charlie Ogier)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 21:49:25 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Children Clear problem
Message-ID: <e927218d-d702-e284-333a-30f5fbb2d808@cogier.com>

Hi,

Can you please test the attached and confirm that this is a bug. All I 
want to do is clear a Frame or Panel with *Frame1**.Children.Clear* but 
the program crashes if using *gb.gui* or *gb.gtk3* but not if running 
*gb.gui.qt* however using that causes other issues. The *System 
Information* is in the program. This came to light when installing my 
program *Four2Nine* which is on the Farm.

Thanks for any help.

Charlie Ogier
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Mon Sep 24 09:28:21 2018
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 09:28:21 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Children Clear problem
In-Reply-To: <e927218d-d702-e284-333a-30f5fbb2d808@cogier.com>
References: <e927218d-d702-e284-333a-30f5fbb2d808@cogier.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2rqFZr99FyPDk8S5cGGFoo4Ggir06eSOVjGfh8x+aTEGMzsQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Charlie,
the Clear property is for TextBox, TextArea and ComboBox only.

Regards
Gianluigi

Il giorno dom 23 set 2018 alle ore 23:12 Charlie Ogier <charlie at cogier.com>
ha scritto:

> Hi,
>
> Can you please test the attached and confirm that this is a bug. All I
> want to do is clear a Frame or Panel with *Frame1**.Children.Clear* but
> the program crashes if using *gb.gui* or *gb.gtk3* but not if running
> *gb.gui.qt* however using that causes other issues. The *System
> Information* is in the program. This came to light when installing my
> program *Four2Nine* which is on the Farm.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Charlie Ogier
>
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Mon Sep 24 09:40:33 2018
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 09:40:33 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Children Clear problem
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2rqFZr99FyPDk8S5cGGFoo4Ggir06eSOVjGfh8x+aTEGMzsQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e927218d-d702-e284-333a-30f5fbb2d808@cogier.com>
 <CAJ2rqFZr99FyPDk8S5cGGFoo4Ggir06eSOVjGfh8x+aTEGMzsQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2rqFYiBvpqr7_Wvh0uVSvAOs4CDXatEzKYzb=YRJbvOMV20Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Charlie,
I wrote property, but meant Method.
Sorry

Gianluigi

Il giorno lun 24 set 2018 alle ore 09:28 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> ha
scritto:

> Hi Charlie,
> the Clear property is for TextBox, TextArea and ComboBox only.
>
> Regards
> Gianluigi
>
> Il giorno dom 23 set 2018 alle ore 23:12 Charlie Ogier <charlie at cogier.com>
> ha scritto:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Can you please test the attached and confirm that this is a bug. All I
>> want to do is clear a Frame or Panel with *Frame1**.Children.Clear* but
>> the program crashes if using *gb.gui* or *gb.gtk3* but not if running
>> *gb.gui.qt* however using that causes other issues. The *System
>> Information* is in the program. This came to light when installing my
>> program *Four2Nine* which is on the Farm.
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>>
>> Charlie Ogier
>>
>> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
>>
>
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 24 10:04:21 2018
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Me)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 17:34:21 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] Children Clear problem
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2rqFZr99FyPDk8S5cGGFoo4Ggir06eSOVjGfh8x+aTEGMzsQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e927218d-d702-e284-333a-30f5fbb2d808@cogier.com>
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Message-ID: <20180924173421.dcfd392755ac4a206c501be7@gmail.com>

On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 09:28:21 +0200
Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Charlie,
> the Clear property is for TextBox, TextArea and ComboBox only.
> 
> Regards
> Gianluigi
> 
He is asking about .Container.Children.Clear() NOT somecontrol.Clear
please read the questions/
b

-- 
Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com>

From bagonergi at gmail.com  Mon Sep 24 10:50:46 2018
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 10:50:46 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Children Clear problem
In-Reply-To: <20180924173421.dcfd392755ac4a206c501be7@gmail.com>
References: <e927218d-d702-e284-333a-30f5fbb2d808@cogier.com>
 <CAJ2rqFZr99FyPDk8S5cGGFoo4Ggir06eSOVjGfh8x+aTEGMzsQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20180924173421.dcfd392755ac4a206c501be7@gmail.com>
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Il giorno lun 24 set 2018 alle ore 10:05 Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com> ha scritto:

> On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 09:28:21 +0200
> Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Charlie,
> > the Clear property is for TextBox, TextArea and ComboBox only.
> >
> > Regards
> > Gianluigi
> >
> He is asking about .Container.Children.Clear() NOT somecontrol.Clear
> please read the questions/
> b
>
> --
> Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com>
>
>
In fact.
Childrens containers are:
TextBox1
TextLabel1
TextArea1
ComboBox1
LCDLabel1
Spinner1
SwitchButton1
Slider1
SpinBox1
And of these only TextBox1, TextArea1 and ComboBox1 have the clear method.
I thought that the malfunction is caused by this.

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From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Mon Sep 24 11:05:50 2018
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 11:05:50 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Children Clear problem
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2rqFY3=e84qCtQJ8MmPFLRkeq_DcGJYtmB_FuvmsUYJEqYGQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e927218d-d702-e284-333a-30f5fbb2d808@cogier.com>
 <CAJ2rqFZr99FyPDk8S5cGGFoo4Ggir06eSOVjGfh8x+aTEGMzsQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20180924173421.dcfd392755ac4a206c501be7@gmail.com>
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>
> in fact he call the true method to destroy children :
>

 http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp/gb.qt4/.container.children/clear

this is a bug .

it crash for me in all gtk libs
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From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Mon Sep 24 11:15:19 2018
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 11:15:19 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Children Clear problem
In-Reply-To: <CAFkCsL5aua+hmfg3mHri9EozR1FM-y75Y+JkTWfx6nJfWik1+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e927218d-d702-e284-333a-30f5fbb2d808@cogier.com>
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Can you add a ticket in the bugtracker ?

Le lun. 24 sept. 2018 11:05, Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> in fact he call the true method to destroy children :
>>
>
>  http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp/gb.qt4/.container.children/clear
>
> this is a bug .
>
> it crash for me in all gtk libs
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Mon Sep 24 11:20:04 2018
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 11:20:04 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Children Clear problem
In-Reply-To: <CAFkCsL5aua+hmfg3mHri9EozR1FM-y75Y+JkTWfx6nJfWik1+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e927218d-d702-e284-333a-30f5fbb2d808@cogier.com>
 <CAJ2rqFZr99FyPDk8S5cGGFoo4Ggir06eSOVjGfh8x+aTEGMzsQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20180924173421.dcfd392755ac4a206c501be7@gmail.com>
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Il giorno lun 24 set 2018 alle ore 11:07 Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com>
ha scritto:

> in fact he call the true method to destroy children :
>>
>
>  http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp/gb.qt4/.container.children/clear
>
> this is a bug .
>
> it crash for me in all gtk libs
>
>
I'm sorry,
I didn't know the method.
Whoever misunderstands, the worse he replies :-(
I confirm the malfunction with gtk

Regards
Gianluigi

P.S. Charlie's a friend. I hope he'll excuse me.
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 24 11:34:46 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 11:34:46 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Children Clear problem
In-Reply-To: <e927218d-d702-e284-333a-30f5fbb2d808@cogier.com>
References: <e927218d-d702-e284-333a-30f5fbb2d808@cogier.com>
Message-ID: <9a9c17a7-f537-5dd7-7b0d-3bf29b706aec@gmail.com>

Le 23/09/2018 ? 22:49, Charlie Ogier a ?crit?:
> Hi,
> 
> Can you please test the attached and confirm that this is a bug. All I 
> want to do is clear a Frame or Panel with *Frame1**.Children.Clear* but 
> the program crashes if using *gb.gui* or *gb.gtk3* but not if running 
> *gb.gui.qt* however using that causes other issues. The *System 
> Information* is in the program. This came to light when installing my 
> program *Four2Nine* which is on the Farm.
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> Charlie Ogier
> 
> 
> 
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
> 

It should be fixed in commit 
https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/commit/1fa73046549d07f380c8a89afd279317f9aee91e.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Mon Sep 24 11:36:08 2018
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 11:36:08 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Children Clear problem
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2rqFbFhMe-aPSC1+Z=0V0py5JR4UyNM3p5RW-XcAAou18=Fw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e927218d-d702-e284-333a-30f5fbb2d808@cogier.com>
 <CAJ2rqFZr99FyPDk8S5cGGFoo4Ggir06eSOVjGfh8x+aTEGMzsQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20180924173421.dcfd392755ac4a206c501be7@gmail.com>
 <CAJ2rqFY3=e84qCtQJ8MmPFLRkeq_DcGJYtmB_FuvmsUYJEqYGQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFkCsL5aua+hmfg3mHri9EozR1FM-y75Y+JkTWfx6nJfWik1+A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJ2rqFbFhMe-aPSC1+Z=0V0py5JR4UyNM3p5RW-XcAAou18=Fw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFkCsL5sUU5ZGzU6+h=iqMVdSGVs02oE2GDkNiRa2NZw=jcDsg@mail.gmail.com>

Gianluigi just a little remember :

to call an object property it will be :

Panel.Children[n].Clear

But this can't work as Children return Control class objects.

This class have not Clear method.

so to clear all object that need to be cleared in a container:

Dim o as object

for each o in Children
 try  o.Clear
next

Object allow unknown function to be called and try avoid the error if the
object returned by children have not this property.


... Well it was not the subject ... ;-)


Le lun. 24 sept. 2018 ? 11:21, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> a ?crit :

>
>
> Il giorno lun 24 set 2018 alle ore 11:07 Fabien Bodard <
> gambas.fr at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> in fact he call the true method to destroy children :
>>>
>>
>>  http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp/gb.qt4/.container.children/clear
>>
>> this is a bug .
>>
>> it crash for me in all gtk libs
>>
>>
> I'm sorry,
> I didn't know the method.
> Whoever misunderstands, the worse he replies :-(
> I confirm the malfunction with gtk
>
> Regards
> Gianluigi
>
> P.S. Charlie's a friend. I hope he'll excuse me.
>
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
>


-- 
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 24 11:41:02 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 11:41:02 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Children Clear problem
In-Reply-To: <9a9c17a7-f537-5dd7-7b0d-3bf29b706aec@gmail.com>
References: <e927218d-d702-e284-333a-30f5fbb2d808@cogier.com>
 <9a9c17a7-f537-5dd7-7b0d-3bf29b706aec@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b45c6b5e-a73a-7e55-b920-656fa74c7204@gmail.com>

Le 24/09/2018 ? 11:34, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit?:
> Le 23/09/2018 ? 22:49, Charlie Ogier a ?crit?:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Can you please test the attached and confirm that this is a bug. All I 
>> want to do is clear a Frame or Panel with *Frame1**.Children.Clear* 
>> but the program crashes if using *gb.gui* or *gb.gtk3* but not if 
>> running *gb.gui.qt* however using that causes other issues. The 
>> *System Information* is in the program. This came to light when 
>> installing my program *Four2Nine* which is on the Farm.
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>>
>> Charlie Ogier
>>
>>
>>
>> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
>>
> 
> It should be fixed in commit 
> https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/commit/1fa73046549d07f380c8a89afd279317f9aee91e. 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 

...But there is a little problem: it is incompatible with another fix.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Mon Sep 24 11:46:25 2018
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 11:46:25 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Children Clear problem
In-Reply-To: <b45c6b5e-a73a-7e55-b920-656fa74c7204@gmail.com>
References: <e927218d-d702-e284-333a-30f5fbb2d808@cogier.com>
 <9a9c17a7-f537-5dd7-7b0d-3bf29b706aec@gmail.com>
 <b45c6b5e-a73a-7e55-b920-656fa74c7204@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFkCsL71EXGFrvJdG9g7SsTyLV2i15qNGx0qQg-JD74Ek_n0Cg@mail.gmail.com>

Le lun. 24 sept. 2018 ? 11:42, Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Le 24/09/2018 ? 11:34, Beno?t Minisini a ?crit :
> > Le 23/09/2018 ? 22:49, Charlie Ogier a ?crit :
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Can you please test the attached and confirm that this is a bug. All I
> >> want to do is clear a Frame or Panel with *Frame1**.Children.Clear*
> >> but the program crashes if using *gb.gui* or *gb.gtk3* but not if
> >> running *gb.gui.qt* however using that causes other issues. The
> >> *System Information* is in the program. This came to light when
> >> installing my program *Four2Nine* which is on the Farm.
> >>
> >> Thanks for any help.
> >>
> >> Charlie Ogier
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
> ]----
> >>
> >
> > It should be fixed in commit
> >
> https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/commit/1fa73046549d07f380c8a89afd279317f9aee91e.
>
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
>
> ...But there is a little problem: it is incompatible with another fix.
>

GTK...


>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
>


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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Mon Sep 24 12:09:52 2018
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 12:09:52 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Children Clear problem
In-Reply-To: <CAFkCsL5sUU5ZGzU6+h=iqMVdSGVs02oE2GDkNiRa2NZw=jcDsg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e927218d-d702-e284-333a-30f5fbb2d808@cogier.com>
 <CAJ2rqFZr99FyPDk8S5cGGFoo4Ggir06eSOVjGfh8x+aTEGMzsQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20180924173421.dcfd392755ac4a206c501be7@gmail.com>
 <CAJ2rqFY3=e84qCtQJ8MmPFLRkeq_DcGJYtmB_FuvmsUYJEqYGQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFkCsL5aua+hmfg3mHri9EozR1FM-y75Y+JkTWfx6nJfWik1+A@mail.gmail.com>
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> ... Well it was not the subject ... ;-)

Yes, but thank you anyway :-)

> Gianluigi just a little remember:

This is very useful for elderly people like me, you have no idea of the
things that are known and that no longer come to mind, or that come back
occasionally and then disappear. :-(

With best regards
Gianluigi

Il giorno lun 24 set 2018 alle ore 11:37 Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com>
ha scritto:

> Gianluigi just a little remember :
>
> to call an object property it will be :
>
> Panel.Children[n].Clear
>
> But this can't work as Children return Control class objects.
>
> This class have not Clear method.
>
> so to clear all object that need to be cleared in a container:
>
> Dim o as object
>
> for each o in Children
>  try  o.Clear
> next
>
> Object allow unknown function to be called and try avoid the error if the
> object returned by children have not this property.
>
>
> ... Well it was not the subject ... ;-)
>
>
> Le lun. 24 sept. 2018 ? 11:21, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>
>>
>>
>> Il giorno lun 24 set 2018 alle ore 11:07 Fabien Bodard <
>> gambas.fr at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>
>>> in fact he call the true method to destroy children :
>>>>
>>>
>>>  http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp/gb.qt4/.container.children/clear
>>>
>>> this is a bug .
>>>
>>> it crash for me in all gtk libs
>>>
>>>
>> I'm sorry,
>> I didn't know the method.
>> Whoever misunderstands, the worse he replies :-(
>> I confirm the malfunction with gtk
>>
>> Regards
>> Gianluigi
>>
>> P.S. Charlie's a friend. I hope he'll excuse me.
>>
>> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
>>
>
>
> --
> Fabien Bodard
>
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
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From hans at gambas-buch.de  Mon Sep 24 17:01:32 2018
From: hans at gambas-buch.de (Hans Lehmann)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 17:01:32 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Socket.Timeout property
Message-ID: <96165abd-7a1a-aaa4-0d7e-c2dde885d6de@gambas-buch.de>

Hello,

both a socket and a server_socket have the Socket.Timeout property. How 
to use this property successfully?

Yours sincerely

Hans

From rwe-sse at osnanet.de  Tue Sep 25 15:48:41 2018
From: rwe-sse at osnanet.de (Rolf-Werner Eilert)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 15:48:41 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas on Ubuntu
Message-ID: <0ecb29e6-fde3-257d-1b49-8a0f283b584c@osnanet.de>

Hi folks,

As I am new to Ubuntu, what will I have to do to install a complete Gambas?

Will "apt install Gambas" do?

Thanks for any help!

Regards
Rolf

From rwe-sse at osnanet.de  Tue Sep 25 15:50:08 2018
From: rwe-sse at osnanet.de (Rolf-Werner Eilert)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 15:50:08 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas on Ubuntu
Message-ID: <8569a50c-11b4-4fad-d975-f1b224ef55b6@osnanet.de>

Forgot to mention it is Ubuntu Mate, if that plays any role...

Hi folks,

As I am new to Ubuntu, what will I have to do to install a complete Gambas?

Will "apt install Gambas" do?

Thanks for any help!

Regards
Rolf

From olivier.cruilles at yahoo.fr  Tue Sep 25 15:55:38 2018
From: olivier.cruilles at yahoo.fr (Yahoo)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 09:55:38 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas on Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <8569a50c-11b4-4fad-d975-f1b224ef55b6@osnanet.de>
References: <8569a50c-11b4-4fad-d975-f1b224ef55b6@osnanet.de>
Message-ID: <etPan.5baa3e5a.1c26a65e.14e82@yahoo.fr>

Hi,

You can install stable version from PPA or daily build (version following dev sources)

STABLE:

First add the PPA to your sources.list. Open a terminal and do:

$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3

Next update the sources and install Gambas:

$ sudo apt-get update
$ sudo apt-get install gambas3



DAILY:

First add the PPA to your sources.list. Open a terminal and do:

$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas-daily

Next update the sources and install Gambas:

$ sudo apt-get update
$ sudo apt-get install gambas3



Olivier

Le September 25, 2018 ? 09:51:03, Rolf-Werner Eilert (rwe-sse at osnanet.de) a ?crit:

Forgot to mention it is Ubuntu Mate, if that plays any role...  

Hi folks,  

As I am new to Ubuntu, what will I have to do to install a complete Gambas?  

Will "apt install Gambas" do?  

Thanks for any help!  

Regards  
Rolf  

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From charlie at cogier.com  Tue Sep 25 15:51:50 2018
From: charlie at cogier.com (Charlie Ogier)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:51:50 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas on Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <0ecb29e6-fde3-257d-1b49-8a0f283b584c@osnanet.de>
References: <0ecb29e6-fde3-257d-1b49-8a0f283b584c@osnanet.de>
Message-ID: <278104dd-c092-250f-c687-c595c6207c15@cogier.com>

Hi Rolf,

Run the following in terminal for the stable version of Gambas: -
*sudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:gambas-team/gambas3 && sudo apt-get 
update && sudo apt-get -y install gambas3*

For the daily version: -
*sudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:gambas-team/gambas-daily && sudo apt-get 
update && sudo apt-get -y install gambas3***

Charlie


On 25/09/18 14:48, Rolf-Werner Eilert wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> As I am new to Ubuntu, what will I have to do to install a complete 
> Gambas?
>
> Will "apt install Gambas" do?
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
> Regards
> Rolf
>
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----

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From sharon at 455.co.il  Wed Sep 26 15:02:57 2018
From: sharon at 455.co.il (Mayost Sharon)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 16:02:57 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] Gambas in Fedora
Message-ID: <20180926130119.M86489@455.co.il>

Hello

Do you know why there are no more updates to GAMBAS in Fedora
Gambas latest version is: 3.10.0

From mb at code-it.com  Thu Sep 27 03:08:12 2018
From: mb at code-it.com (mikeB)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 19:08:12 -0600
Subject: [Gambas-user] get HTML from Webbrowser example?
Message-ID: <b1de1ea2-3f01-bf6b-ae1e-85c2d73421fe@code-it.com>

How can I display the HTML code (of a page loaded within WebKit component)?

Sample code or reference link would be greatly appreciated;-)

mikeB



From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 27 05:33:22 2018
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Me)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:03:22 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] Creating Actions at runtime
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2rqFZdjQ0s1E4XbpbFX6=YH1TUAHSUw9tZ_QW=nFqFH9f1jA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20180921114932.fb77e4a200e1c0c783af1e1a@gmail.com>
 <CAJ2rqFZdjQ0s1E4XbpbFX6=YH1TUAHSUw9tZ_QW=nFqFH9f1jA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20180927130322.0a89123117a2ae5667e9afa4@gmail.com>

On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 09:49:27 +0200
Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Thanks Gianluigi. (I missed your post somehow the other day).

Well, it looks like what I wanted to do is not possible.

Some observations. (Mainly for my own interest as I will probably need to refer to this later in time.)
1) The Action.Configure() function uses the form defined in the gb.gui.mdi component. 
Which is interesting! At least I was able to redefine the size of the pop-up to something more
reasonable. 
1a) That shortcut editor only looks at the files in the .action sub-directory (or the executable archive
 version thereof) of the active project to build its' list of "editable" actions. In addition, it will only add
actions that have a defined shortcut already.
This then, means that all user configurable shortcuts must be defined statically in the project design as
that is the only way they will get into the .action files. 
2) Really bewildering! Creating a menu item at runtime, works. Further, the Action and Shortcut defined
in the code operate as expected. I can evidence this by creating a couple of menus in the code, one of 
which hides or shows the other using the Action defined for the other. However, these items do not 
appear in the Action,List array?  
I thought I might be able to use the Action.List array and build my own shortcut editor. No joy.  


-- 
Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com>

From bagonergi at gmail.com  Thu Sep 27 09:57:14 2018
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 09:57:14 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Creating Actions at runtime
In-Reply-To: <20180927130322.0a89123117a2ae5667e9afa4@gmail.com>
References: <20180921114932.fb77e4a200e1c0c783af1e1a@gmail.com>
 <CAJ2rqFZdjQ0s1E4XbpbFX6=YH1TUAHSUw9tZ_QW=nFqFH9f1jA@mail.gmail.com>
 <20180927130322.0a89123117a2ae5667e9afa4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2rqFad05VUu9KZnjuJpvmXQ5h_yMhZyZTQ_3+u6LsZmSB4vg@mail.gmail.com>

Il giorno gio 27 set 2018 alle ore 05:34 Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com> ha scritto:

> On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 09:49:27 +0200
> Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >  Thanks Gianluigi. (I missed your post somehow the other day).
>
> Well, it looks like what I wanted to do is not possible.
>
> Some observations. (Mainly for my own interest as I will probably need to
> refer to this later in time.)
> 1) The Action.Configure() function uses the form defined in the gb.gui.mdi
> component.
> Which is interesting! At least I was able to redefine the size of the
> pop-up to something more
> reasonable.
> 1a) That shortcut editor only looks at the files in the .action
> sub-directory (or the executable archive
>  version thereof) of the active project to build its' list of "editable"
> actions. In addition, it will only add
> actions that have a defined shortcut already.
> This then, means that all user configurable shortcuts must be defined
> statically in the project design as
> that is the only way they will get into the .action files.
> 2) Really bewildering! Creating a menu item at runtime, works. Further,
> the Action and Shortcut defined
> in the code operate as expected. I can evidence this by creating a couple
> of menus in the code, one of
> which hides or shows the other using the Action defined for the other.
> However, these items do not
> appear in the Action,List array?
> I thought I might be able to use the Action.List array and build my own
> shortcut editor. No joy.
>
>
> --
> Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com>
>
>
I think that to take advantage of Action and make the menus appear as
needed the only way is to create hidden menus (only the Name without
Caption) and command them at runtime.
I enclose a small project (not yet finished) that I'm creating to be able
to ask a question to Benoit (I apologize for the name :-) ).
One of the features of Gambas is the simplicity and speed with which we can
create the windows.

Regards
Gianluigi
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Thu Sep 27 10:13:13 2018
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 10:13:13 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] get HTML from Webbrowser example?
In-Reply-To: <b1de1ea2-3f01-bf6b-ae1e-85c2d73421fe@code-it.com>
References: <b1de1ea2-3f01-bf6b-ae1e-85c2d73421fe@code-it.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2rqFbgjCFZMd=X08X2NGgga1_njyuGhUmyhp6Tt0o_0wuhMg@mail.gmail.com>

Il giorno gio 27 set 2018 alle ore 03:57 mikeB <mb at code-it.com> ha scritto:

> How can I display the HTML code (of a page loaded within WebKit component)?
>
> Sample code or reference link would be greatly appreciated;-)
>
> mikeB
>
>
There are at least three examples in the Farm:
WebBowser
htEditor
seHelpBuilder (it's a bit heavy you need patience to download it but it's
the most complete on the subject)

Regards
Gianluigi
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 27 14:40:02 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 14:40:02 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Socket.Timeout property
In-Reply-To: <96165abd-7a1a-aaa4-0d7e-c2dde885d6de@gambas-buch.de>
References: <96165abd-7a1a-aaa4-0d7e-c2dde885d6de@gambas-buch.de>
Message-ID: <69e50fc6-edd1-d2c0-9764-9443142e7eb2@gmail.com>

Le 24/09/2018 ? 17:01, Hans Lehmann a ?crit?:
> Hello,
> 
> both a socket and a server_socket have the Socket.Timeout property. How 
> to use this property successfully?
> 
> Yours sincerely
> 
> Hans
> 
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
> 

What do you mean exactly?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 27 14:48:47 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 14:48:47 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Creating Actions at runtime
In-Reply-To: <20180927130322.0a89123117a2ae5667e9afa4@gmail.com>
References: <20180921114932.fb77e4a200e1c0c783af1e1a@gmail.com>
 <CAJ2rqFZdjQ0s1E4XbpbFX6=YH1TUAHSUw9tZ_QW=nFqFH9f1jA@mail.gmail.com>
 <20180927130322.0a89123117a2ae5667e9afa4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e6cf6152-339e-82ca-3db9-5afbece6617a@gmail.com>

Le 27/09/2018 ? 05:33, Me a ?crit?:
> On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 09:49:27 +0200
> Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>   Thanks Gianluigi. (I missed your post somehow the other day).
> 
> Well, it looks like what I wanted to do is not possible.
> 
> Some observations. (Mainly for my own interest as I will probably need to refer to this later in time.)
> 1) The Action.Configure() function uses the form defined in the gb.gui.mdi component.
> Which is interesting! At least I was able to redefine the size of the pop-up to something more
> reasonable.
> 1a) That shortcut editor only looks at the files in the .action sub-directory (or the executable archive
>   version thereof) of the active project to build its' list of "editable" actions. In addition, it will only add
> actions that have a defined shortcut already.
> This then, means that all user configurable shortcuts must be defined statically in the project design as
> that is the only way they will get into the .action files.
> 2) Really bewildering! Creating a menu item at runtime, works. Further, the Action and Shortcut defined
> in the code operate as expected. I can evidence this by creating a couple of menus in the code, one of
> which hides or shows the other using the Action defined for the other. However, these items do not
> appear in the Action,List array?
> I thought I might be able to use the Action.List array and build my own shortcut editor. No joy.
> 
> 

Maybe creating an Action.Add() method is the solution?

Better would be doing that automatically, when the control is created.

But it is harder, because how to know that the newly created control was 
not already part of the actions defined in the ".action" directory?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Thu Sep 27 15:24:24 2018
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 09:24:24 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] get HTML from Webbrowser example?
In-Reply-To: <b1de1ea2-3f01-bf6b-ae1e-85c2d73421fe@code-it.com>
References: <b1de1ea2-3f01-bf6b-ae1e-85c2d73421fe@code-it.com>
Message-ID: <4939a54e-1da1-8eba-ef19-66ec27a983bf@gmail.com>

http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp/gb.qt4.webkit/webview/html


___
Lee


On 9/26/18 9:08 PM, mikeB wrote:
> How can I display the HTML code (of a page loaded within WebKit component)?
> 
> Sample code or reference link would be greatly appreciated;-)
> 
> mikeB
> 
> 
> 
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----

From rwe-sse at osnanet.de  Thu Sep 27 15:44:13 2018
From: rwe-sse at osnanet.de (Rolf-Werner Eilert)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 15:44:13 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Problem with Paint.Rectangle() and docu
Message-ID: <ff29e7fa-d393-2d7a-1038-3abcfd700618@osnanet.de>

In the documentation to Paint.Rectangle there is

This function is logically equivalent to:
Paint.MoveTo(X, Y)
Paint.LineTo(X + Width, Y)
Paint.LineTo(X + Width, Y + Height)
Paint.LineTo(X, Y + Height)
Paint.ClosePath()

The thing is, Paint.Rectangle will always fill the area, and I simply 
need a box (unfilled).

The example from the documentation will not produce 4 lines and an empty 
space, but a filled rectangle as well.

By the way, it does NOT play a roll if you use ClosePath or not. But if 
you forget Fill, there comes an error with Pending Path. So the example 
is a bit misleading here.

And does Rectangle really have to produce a filled area? Is there no way 
to have a simple line drawn around?

Regards
Rolf

From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Thu Sep 27 16:11:31 2018
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 16:11:31 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Problem with Paint.Rectangle() and docu
In-Reply-To: <ff29e7fa-d393-2d7a-1038-3abcfd700618@osnanet.de>
References: <ff29e7fa-d393-2d7a-1038-3abcfd700618@osnanet.de>
Message-ID: <CAFkCsL56GCG5iAB3F=bxdWn+LOMa-BDYAK7pLne-PtG7EMH2CQ@mail.gmail.com>

You need to use stroke insteed of fill

If you need to have a border with filld rect

First use the fill (true)
Then change brush
And finish with stroke

This will draw the back and then the border
Le jeu. 27 sept. 2018 15:45, Rolf-Werner Eilert <rwe-sse at osnanet.de> a
?crit :

> In the documentation to Paint.Rectangle there is
>
> This function is logically equivalent to:
> Paint.MoveTo(X, Y)
> Paint.LineTo(X + Width, Y)
> Paint.LineTo(X + Width, Y + Height)
> Paint.LineTo(X, Y + Height)
> Paint.ClosePath()
>
> The thing is, Paint.Rectangle will always fill the area, and I simply
> need a box (unfilled).
>
> The example from the documentation will not produce 4 lines and an empty
> space, but a filled rectangle as well.
>
> By the way, it does NOT play a roll if you use ClosePath or not. But if
> you forget Fill, there comes an error with Pending Path. So the example
> is a bit misleading here.
>
> And does Rectangle really have to produce a filled area? Is there no way
> to have a simple line drawn around?
>
> Regards
> Rolf
>
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
>
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From charlie at cogier.com  Thu Sep 27 16:12:20 2018
From: charlie at cogier.com (Charlie Ogier)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 15:12:20 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] get HTML from Webbrowser example?
In-Reply-To: <b1de1ea2-3f01-bf6b-ae1e-85c2d73421fe@code-it.com>
References: <b1de1ea2-3f01-bf6b-ae1e-85c2d73421fe@code-it.com>
Message-ID: <dbda855f-4540-6d53-b424-64d43389fefc@cogier.com>

Hi mikeB,

Have a look at the attached code, I think this is what you are looking 
for <http://cogier.com/gambas/GUITest.jpg>.

Charlie Ogier


On 27/09/18 02:08, mikeB wrote:
> How can I display the HTML code (of a page loaded within WebKit 
> component)?
>
> Sample code or reference link would be greatly appreciated;-)
>
> mikeB
>
>
>
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----

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From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Thu Sep 27 16:15:23 2018
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 10:15:23 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Problem with Paint.Rectangle() and docu
In-Reply-To: <ff29e7fa-d393-2d7a-1038-3abcfd700618@osnanet.de>
References: <ff29e7fa-d393-2d7a-1038-3abcfd700618@osnanet.de>
Message-ID: <3401945c-343b-4abc-ed6d-5fa5c7534421@gmail.com>

Perhaps setting the Background to a fully translucent color would be a workable solution for you.


___
Lee


On 9/27/18 9:44 AM, Rolf-Werner Eilert wrote:
> In the documentation to Paint.Rectangle there is
> 
> This function is logically equivalent to:
> Paint.MoveTo(X, Y)
> Paint.LineTo(X + Width, Y)
> Paint.LineTo(X + Width, Y + Height)
> Paint.LineTo(X, Y + Height)
> Paint.ClosePath()
> 
> The thing is, Paint.Rectangle will always fill the area, and I simply need a box (unfilled).
> 
> The example from the documentation will not produce 4 lines and an empty space, but a filled rectangle as well.
> 
> By the way, it does NOT play a roll if you use ClosePath or not. But if you forget Fill, there comes an error with Pending Path.
> So the example is a bit misleading here.
> 
> And does Rectangle really have to produce a filled area? Is there no way to have a simple line drawn around?
> 
> Regards
> Rolf
> 
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----

From mb at code-it.com  Thu Sep 27 16:28:51 2018
From: mb at code-it.com (mikeB)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 08:28:51 -0600
Subject: [Gambas-user] get HTML from Webbrowser example?
In-Reply-To: <dbda855f-4540-6d53-b424-64d43389fefc@cogier.com>
References: <b1de1ea2-3f01-bf6b-ae1e-85c2d73421fe@code-it.com>
 <dbda855f-4540-6d53-b424-64d43389fefc@cogier.com>
Message-ID: <949a8044-eb15-b61f-9832-a45c0e6753a7@code-it.com>

Exactly what I needed - thanks alot! Solution solved;-)

mikeB


On 09/27/2018 08:12 AM, Charlie Ogier wrote:
> Hi mikeB,
>
> Have a look at the attached code, I think this is what you are looking 
> for <http://cogier.com/gambas/GUITest.jpg>.
>
> Charlie Ogier
>
>
> On 27/09/18 02:08, mikeB wrote:
>> How can I display the HTML code (of a page loaded within WebKit 
>> component)?
>>
>> Sample code or reference link would be greatly appreciated;-)
>>
>> mikeB
>>
>>
>>
>> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
>
>
>
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----

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From antonio.j.teixeira at gmail.com  Thu Sep 27 16:44:46 2018
From: antonio.j.teixeira at gmail.com (Antonio Teixeira)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 15:44:46 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] open-ssl
Message-ID: <CAAgrfyBaj=d=WKVgAveOZHStVyef7gNef4u7=igXB4c-bdoF8Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

Does anyone worked with open-ssl in gambas? Any chance to post an example
about how to encrypt and decrypt a string?
I looked everywhere and i didnt find any info about that.

Thanks in advance.

Rregards
Ant?nio Teixeira
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From rwe-sse at osnanet.de  Thu Sep 27 16:49:13 2018
From: rwe-sse at osnanet.de (Rolf-Werner Eilert)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 16:49:13 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Problem with Paint.Rectangle() and docu
In-Reply-To: <CAFkCsL56GCG5iAB3F=bxdWn+LOMa-BDYAK7pLne-PtG7EMH2CQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ff29e7fa-d393-2d7a-1038-3abcfd700618@osnanet.de>
 <CAFkCsL56GCG5iAB3F=bxdWn+LOMa-BDYAK7pLne-PtG7EMH2CQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <73da9112-8602-d63c-eb0d-f9bb0ee29f9b@osnanet.de>

Am 27.09.2018 um 16:11 schrieb Fabien Bodard:
> You need to use stroke insteed of fill

Aaaaah, ok, thanks so much!


> 
> If you need to have a border with filld rect
> 
> First use the fill (true)
> Then change brush
> And finish with stroke

Change brush? Wouldn't setting the colors do?

Rolf

> 
> This will draw the back and then the border
> Le jeu. 27 sept. 2018 15:45, Rolf-Werner Eilert <rwe-sse at osnanet.de 
> <mailto:rwe-sse at osnanet.de>> a ?crit?:
> 
>     In the documentation to Paint.Rectangle there is
> 
>     This function is logically equivalent to:
>     Paint.MoveTo(X, Y)
>     Paint.LineTo(X + Width, Y)
>     Paint.LineTo(X + Width, Y + Height)
>     Paint.LineTo(X, Y + Height)
>     Paint.ClosePath()
> 
>     The thing is, Paint.Rectangle will always fill the area, and I simply
>     need a box (unfilled).
> 
>     The example from the documentation will not produce 4 lines and an
>     empty
>     space, but a filled rectangle as well.
> 
>     By the way, it does NOT play a roll if you use ClosePath or not. But if
>     you forget Fill, there comes an error with Pending Path. So the example
>     is a bit misleading here.
> 
>     And does Rectangle really have to produce a filled area? Is there no
>     way
>     to have a simple line drawn around?
> 
>     Regards
>     Rolf
> 
>     ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
> 


From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 27 16:55:01 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 16:55:01 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Problem with Paint.Rectangle() and docu
In-Reply-To: <ff29e7fa-d393-2d7a-1038-3abcfd700618@osnanet.de>
References: <ff29e7fa-d393-2d7a-1038-3abcfd700618@osnanet.de>
Message-ID: <7acdcb01-26f8-3647-d7aa-39f537ad2840@gmail.com>

Le 27/09/2018 ? 15:44, Rolf-Werner Eilert a ?crit?:
> In the documentation to Paint.Rectangle there is
> 
> This function is logically equivalent to:
> Paint.MoveTo(X, Y)
> Paint.LineTo(X + Width, Y)
> Paint.LineTo(X + Width, Y + Height)
> Paint.LineTo(X, Y + Height)
> Paint.ClosePath()
> 
> The thing is, Paint.Rectangle will always fill the area, and I simply 
> need a box (unfilled).
> 

No, Paint.Rectangle() draws nothing, it defines a drawing path.

The drawing is done by the Paint.Fill() and Paint.Stroke() commands, 
depending on whether you want to fill the shape or outline it.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From rwe-sse at osnanet.de  Thu Sep 27 17:04:25 2018
From: rwe-sse at osnanet.de (Rolf-Werner Eilert)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 17:04:25 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Problem with Paint.Rectangle() and docu
In-Reply-To: <7acdcb01-26f8-3647-d7aa-39f537ad2840@gmail.com>
References: <ff29e7fa-d393-2d7a-1038-3abcfd700618@osnanet.de>
 <7acdcb01-26f8-3647-d7aa-39f537ad2840@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dc96714b-1dd8-5f58-a3ab-4677379706e8@osnanet.de>

Am 27.09.2018 um 16:55 schrieb Beno?t Minisini:
> Le 27/09/2018 ? 15:44, Rolf-Werner Eilert a ?crit?:
>> In the documentation to Paint.Rectangle there is
>>
>> This function is logically equivalent to:
>> Paint.MoveTo(X, Y)
>> Paint.LineTo(X + Width, Y)
>> Paint.LineTo(X + Width, Y + Height)
>> Paint.LineTo(X, Y + Height)
>> Paint.ClosePath()
>>
>> The thing is, Paint.Rectangle will always fill the area, and I simply 
>> need a box (unfilled).
>>
> 
> No, Paint.Rectangle() draws nothing, it defines a drawing path.
> 
> The drawing is done by the Paint.Fill() and Paint.Stroke() commands, 
> depending on whether you want to fill the shape or outline it.
> 
> Regards,
> 

Yes :) got it, I just forgot there is Stroke


Thank you!

Rolf

From taboege at gmail.com  Thu Sep 27 17:16:30 2018
From: taboege at gmail.com (Tobias Boege)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 17:16:30 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] open-ssl
In-Reply-To: <CAAgrfyBaj=d=WKVgAveOZHStVyef7gNef4u7=igXB4c-bdoF8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAgrfyBaj=d=WKVgAveOZHStVyef7gNef4u7=igXB4c-bdoF8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20180927151630.GA30725@highrise.localdomain>

On Thu, 27 Sep 2018, Antonio Teixeira wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Does anyone worked with open-ssl in gambas? Any chance to post an example
> about how to encrypt and decrypt a string?
> I looked everywhere and i didnt find any info about that.
> 

En- and decryption is done using the Cipher class. First, you have to settle
on a cipher, say AES256 in CBC mode. You can get a list of ciphers that your
local openssl supports from Cipher.List. You'll see that "AES-256-CBC" is a
supported method (I suppose virtually everywhere). You use this string as an
index into the Cipher class to get a .Cipher.Method object which can do en-
and decryption, see [1]. For example:

  Public Sub Main()
    Dim sCipher, sData As String

    sCipher = Cipher["AES-256-CBC"].EncryptSalted("Hello there", "secret")
    Print "Cipher text (base64):";; Base64$(sCipher)
    sData = Cipher["AES-256-CBC"].DecryptSalted(sCipher, "secret")
    Print "Decrypted:";; sData

    Try Cipher["AES-256-CBC"].DecryptSalted(sCipher, "wrong")
    If Error Then Print "ERROR:";; Error.Text
  End

produces the following output:

  Cipher text (base64): U2FsdGVkX1+j36HLTJVWjG2ciDw2ZOk/dhbdB7aiTOg=
  Decrypted: Hello there
  ERROR: Decryption failed

Regards,
Tobi

[1] http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp/gb.openssl/.cipher.method

-- 
"There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk

From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Thu Sep 27 17:17:47 2018
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 17:17:47 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Problem with Paint.Rectangle() and docu
In-Reply-To: <dc96714b-1dd8-5f58-a3ab-4677379706e8@osnanet.de>
References: <ff29e7fa-d393-2d7a-1038-3abcfd700618@osnanet.de>
 <7acdcb01-26f8-3647-d7aa-39f537ad2840@gmail.com>
 <dc96714b-1dd8-5f58-a3ab-4677379706e8@osnanet.de>
Message-ID: <CAFkCsL4DP-HdPML1L4474Lym1CoVDMe43yRwBH=HyQcDmUrSPQ@mail.gmail.com>

and the brush is this :

Paint.Brush = Paint.Color(Color.Red)

This define the brush type and the color

Brush type can be :

Color
LinearGradient
RadialGradient
Image

http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp/gb.qt4/paintbrush
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From vuott at tiscali.it  Thu Sep 27 16:32:09 2018
From: vuott at tiscali.it (vuott at tiscali.it)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 16:32:09 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] =?utf-8?q?get_HTML_from_Webbrowser_example=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <b1de1ea2-3f01-bf6b-ae1e-85c2d73421fe@code-it.com>
References: <b1de1ea2-3f01-bf6b-ae1e-85c2d73421fe@code-it.com>
Message-ID: <59c7c8e4685f521112060553580baac7@tiscali.it>

  
Quickly: 
*******************************************************

Public Sub Form_Open()

 WebView1.Url =
"https://lists.gambas-basic.org/pipermail/user/2018-September/065550.html"

End

Public
Sub WebView1_Load()

 Print WebView1.HTML

End

********************************************************* 

Il
27.09.2018 03:08 mikeB ha scritto: 

> How can I display the HTML code
(of a page loaded within WebKit component)?
> 
> Sample code or
reference link would be greatly appreciated;-)
> 
> mikeB
> 
> ----[
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From buster6seven at gmail.com  Fri Sep 28 00:40:24 2018
From: buster6seven at gmail.com (Shane)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:40:24 +1000
Subject: [Gambas-user] drawing pictures
Message-ID: <5639a563-80e1-8703-43b1-bad4f988165e@gmail.com>

Hi i'm trying to draw a part of an image to a picture like this


Public Backimg As Image

image loaded with file

in form show i do this

Picturebox1.Picture = New Picture(Picturebox1.Width, Picturebox1.Height)

then

Paint.Begin(Picturebox1.Picture)
Paint.DrawPicture(Backimg.Picture, 20, 20, 40, 40, Rect(40, 40, 40, 40))
Paint.End

but it will not display what am i doing wrong



From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 28 01:47:20 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 01:47:20 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] drawing pictures
In-Reply-To: <5639a563-80e1-8703-43b1-bad4f988165e@gmail.com>
References: <5639a563-80e1-8703-43b1-bad4f988165e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b74c3563-151c-9f37-4093-bfeda27869e5@gmail.com>

Le 28/09/2018 ? 00:40, Shane a ?crit?:
> Hi i'm trying to draw a part of an image to a picture like this
> 
> 
> Public Backimg As Image
> 
> image loaded with file
> 
> in form show i do this
> 
> Picturebox1.Picture = New Picture(Picturebox1.Width, Picturebox1.Height)
> 
> then
> 
> Paint.Begin(Picturebox1.Picture)
> Paint.DrawPicture(Backimg.Picture, 20, 20, 40, 40, Rect(40, 40, 40, 40))
> Paint.End
> 
> but it will not display what am i doing wrong
> 
> 
> 
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
> 

First draw on the picture, and then assign it to the PictureBox1.Picture 
property.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From brailateo at gmail.com  Fri Sep 28 12:41:12 2018
From: brailateo at gmail.com (Constantin Teodorescu)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 13:41:12 +0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] PostgreSQL column type numeric(N,
 M) segfaults DataBrowser
Message-ID: <CABHX5y+zbk6xmGnHwhRkCECX=-7AF-JpCMw-cYKX254ttd8aPA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

I just discovered that using numeric(10,2) in PostgreSQL crashes Gambas
DataBrowser!
When type changed to double precision everything is OK!

Would it be fixed that in a future version or should I avoid using numeric
in tables?

Thanks for Gambas3, in my opinion the best R.A.D. choice for any Linux GUI
application with databases
Constantin Teodorescu
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From shordi at gmail.com  Fri Sep 28 12:57:16 2018
From: shordi at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Carri=C3=B3n?=)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 12:57:16 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] PostgreSQL column type numeric(N,
 M) segfaults DataBrowser
In-Reply-To: <CABHX5y+zbk6xmGnHwhRkCECX=-7AF-JpCMw-cYKX254ttd8aPA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABHX5y+zbk6xmGnHwhRkCECX=-7AF-JpCMw-cYKX254ttd8aPA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOx-q9u7igBOk2kCC9HqQGgyKV323kzG1CuHrwthaYqnB6j0vw@mail.gmail.com>

I confirm that IDE crash when trying to see proprties of a connection. Both
sqlite and Mysql types. I did not reported before because I can't isolate
the bug...



El vie., 28 sept. 2018 a las 12:42, Constantin Teodorescu (<
brailateo at gmail.com>) escribi?:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I just discovered that using numeric(10,2) in PostgreSQL crashes Gambas
> DataBrowser!
> When type changed to double precision everything is OK!
>
> Would it be fixed that in a future version or should I avoid using numeric
> in tables?
>
> Thanks for Gambas3, in my opinion the best R.A.D. choice for any Linux GUI
> application with databases
> Constantin Teodorescu
>
>
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
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From franka at iway.na  Fri Sep 28 14:22:53 2018
From: franka at iway.na (Frank H Aldridge)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 14:22:53 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Database example query
Message-ID: <0802024d-2f8d-5518-7f83-44e144ab3581@iway.na>

I am an absolutely new user of Gambas, 76 years old and only using it to
write simple self-use programs. I bought the e-book Beginners Guide to
Gambas, Revised edition from Amazon and as a consequence it does not have
the cd that would have been included with the hard copy.

I am using Ubuntu 18.4 and Gambas 3.11.90 together with SQLite.

Because I don't have the cd I decided to "create" the Database1 program
described in the book under "The Database Example Program". I have created the main form as well as the FRequest form, both with their various
controls.

On FMain (I noticed that you cannot change the name of the Main form) I
placed a Textbox at the bottom in a Frame called SQL request.

During the instructions detailing how the program "works" there is the
following quote:

"we set the enabled properties for both program forms to TRUE and place some default text in the SQL request box at the bottom of the FMain form:

frmDatabase.Enabled = TRUE
frmRequest.Enabled = TRUE
txtRequest.Text ="Show Tables"

1. At this point my problem is that there are no forms called   frmDatabase or frmRequest.

2. My next problem is that the Textbox does not accept multi-lines.

The code for the "RUN Button" (next to the SQL Request text box is:

Public Sub btnRun_Click()

    Dim rData As Result

    Dim hForm As FRequest

    rData = $hConn.Exec(txtRequest.Text)
    hForm = New FRequest($hConn, rData)
    hForm.Show

    Catch
      Message.Error(Error.text)

      End

3. When I click on the "Run" button a message comes up stating: Query
failed: near "Show Tables"; syntax error. (I have only entered this oneline due to 2 above.

If I blank the Textbox for the SQL query and insert a SQL query directly
into the line:
rData = $hConn.Exec("Select * from Test") instead of (txtRequest.Text)then I get the message:

Cannot exec request
Unknown symbol 'Width' in Class 'Font'
OK

Clicking OK brings the message:
'Not enough arguments'

I believe that the above two messages come from the following code under the FRequest form.

Private Sub ReadData()


    Dim hTable As Table
    Dim hField As ResultField
    Dim iInd As Integer

    Inc Application.Busy

    tbvData.Rows.count = 0
    tbvData.Columns.Count = $rData.Fields.Count

    For Each hField In $rData.Fields
      With hField

        tbvData.Columns[iInd].Text = .Name

        tbvData.Columns[iInd].Width = WidthFromType(tbvData, .Type,.Length,.Name)

        End With

        Inc iInd

        Next

        tbvData.Rows.Count = $rData.Count

        Finally

          Dec Application.Busy

          Catch
            Message.Error("Cannot exec request" & "\n\n" & Error.Text)
           End

Can anybody who may have this book and the CD perhaps throw some light on
what may be causing the problems?

-- 
Frank H Aldridge
P.O. Box 3696
c/o Kiaat & Bottle Tree Streets
Ext. 15
Swakopmund
+264(0)811248922


From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 29 03:41:32 2018
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Me)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 11:11:32 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] Creating Actions at runtime
In-Reply-To: <e6cf6152-339e-82ca-3db9-5afbece6617a@gmail.com>
References: <20180921114932.fb77e4a200e1c0c783af1e1a@gmail.com>
 <CAJ2rqFZdjQ0s1E4XbpbFX6=YH1TUAHSUw9tZ_QW=nFqFH9f1jA@mail.gmail.com>
 <20180927130322.0a89123117a2ae5667e9afa4@gmail.com>
 <e6cf6152-339e-82ca-3db9-5afbece6617a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20180929111132.fc3b11d82deb11483230fcad@gmail.com>

On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 14:48:47 +0200
Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Le 27/09/2018 ? 05:33, Me a ?crit?:
> > On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 09:49:27 +0200
> > Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >>   Thanks Gianluigi. (I missed your post somehow the other day).
> > 
> > Well, it looks like what I wanted to do is not possible.
> > 
> > Some observations. (Mainly for my own interest as I will probably need to refer to this later in time.)
> > 1) The Action.Configure() function uses the form defined in the gb.gui.mdi component.
> > Which is interesting! At least I was able to redefine the size of the pop-up to something more
> > reasonable.
> > 1a) That shortcut editor only looks at the files in the .action sub-directory (or the executable archive
> >   version thereof) of the active project to build its' list of "editable" actions. In addition, it will only add
> > actions that have a defined shortcut already.
> > This then, means that all user configurable shortcuts must be defined statically in the project design as
> > that is the only way they will get into the .action files.
> > 2) Really bewildering! Creating a menu item at runtime, works. Further, the Action and Shortcut defined
> > in the code operate as expected. I can evidence this by creating a couple of menus in the code, one of
> > which hides or shows the other using the Action defined for the other. However, these items do not
> > appear in the Action,List array?
> > I thought I might be able to use the Action.List array and build my own shortcut editor. No joy.
> > 
> > 
> 
> Maybe creating an Action.Add() method is the solution?
> 
> Better would be doing that automatically, when the control is created.
> 
> But it is harder, because how to know that the newly created control was 
> not already part of the actions defined in the ".action" directory?
> 
> -- 
> Beno?t Minisini
> 
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----

I don't think that the latter would work as the code defining the control action could 
be anywhere. Not necessarily when and where the control is created?

An explicit Action.Add() would be beneficial,

The thing I don't understand is why the new action doesn't appear in Action.List but the
Action works? In other words, where does the new action string get registered? Is it 
somewhere down low in the UI library itself? I have searched myself silly through the
gambas source code but I cannot find it.

regards
Bruce
--
adamant42 at gmail.com

From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 29 03:58:00 2018
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Me)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 11:28:00 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] Generic event handler - is it possible?
Message-ID: <20180929112800.dca8ad8a9447612a0d501a5e@gmail.com>

I was wondering if it were possible for Gambas to have a generic event handler like the Appication_Error?
This theoretical beast would handle "any" event not handled at a lower level. 

This came up because somewhere down a set of heirachical classes an (exception) event get raised that is 
not handled by the owning class.  In this case the proper handler is the main code of the application 
anyway so having to handle and reraise a new events all the way up the chain is a pain.

Example : cAuction has a collection of cVendor items, each of which has a collection of cLot items. If a CLot 
object has data which is an exception (note, exception not an error) then (stuff happens) but the matter needs
to be reported to the user, which is the job of the main code to handle the reporting.

Obviously, I don't wish to trap every event raised everywhere or we would get thousands of notices.  So, the
explicit event would need to be defined with a Propogate property or somesuch.

Anyway, just a thinky or a wishlist item.

regards
Bruce

-- 
adamant42 at gmail.com

From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Sat Sep 29 08:04:30 2018
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 08:04:30 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Generic event handler - is it possible?
In-Reply-To: <20180929112800.dca8ad8a9447612a0d501a5e@gmail.com>
References: <20180929112800.dca8ad8a9447612a0d501a5e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFkCsL4Z1+66d+7RahKzWZQXbWbmiRA30Sx0aCoj21JXP0-cKw@mail.gmail.com>

Just redirect it to the main class
Public sub _new (parent as object)
Object.attach (myvendor,Parent,"Vendor")
End


In the vendor class

And
hVendor = new Vendor (me)

In the main class at the object creation time

This will link the class vendor to a generic event handler "Vendor_"
automagiqualy

Le sam. 29 sept. 2018 03:58, Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> I was wondering if it were possible for Gambas to have a generic event
> handler like the Appication_Error?
> This theoretical beast would handle "any" event not handled at a lower
> level.
>
> This came up because somewhere down a set of heirachical classes an
> (exception) event get raised that is
> not handled by the owning class.  In this case the proper handler is the
> main code of the application
> anyway so having to handle and reraise a new events all the way up the
> chain is a pain.
>
> Example : cAuction has a collection of cVendor items, each of which has a
> collection of cLot items. If a CLot
> object has data which is an exception (note, exception not an error) then
> (stuff happens) but the matter needs
> to be reported to the user, which is the job of the main code to handle
> the reporting.
>
> Obviously, I don't wish to trap every event raised everywhere or we would
> get thousands of notices.  So, the
> explicit event would need to be defined with a Propogate property or
> somesuch.
>
> Anyway, just a thinky or a wishlist item.
>
> regards
> Bruce
>
> --
> adamant42 at gmail.com
>
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
>
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From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Sat Sep 29 08:07:26 2018
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 08:07:26 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Generic event handler - is it possible?
In-Reply-To: <CAFkCsL4Z1+66d+7RahKzWZQXbWbmiRA30Sx0aCoj21JXP0-cKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20180929112800.dca8ad8a9447612a0d501a5e@gmail.com>
 <CAFkCsL4Z1+66d+7RahKzWZQXbWbmiRA30Sx0aCoj21JXP0-cKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFkCsL5S4nHu0gDVdK8NPt+=ENrPmbm4YFjPXEg4p42cHr6eYw@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Sorry Bruce... bad read... forget the last post

>
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From chrisml at deganius.de  Sat Sep 29 09:35:46 2018
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 09:35:46 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] open-ssl
In-Reply-To: <20180927151630.GA30725@highrise.localdomain>
References: <CAAgrfyBaj=d=WKVgAveOZHStVyef7gNef4u7=igXB4c-bdoF8Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <20180927151630.GA30725@highrise.localdomain>
Message-ID: <9e877ebe-d6a5-7233-bb74-3e4fa060c631@deganius.de>

Am 27.09.2018 um 17:16 schrieb Tobias Boege:

> En- and decryption is done using the Cipher class. First, you have to settle
> on a cipher, say AES256 in CBC mode. You can get a list of ciphers that your
> local openssl supports from Cipher.List. You'll see that "AES-256-CBC" is a
> supported method (I suppose virtually everywhere). You use this string as an
> index into the Cipher class to get a .Cipher.Method object which can do en-
> and decryption, see [1]. For example:
> 
>   Public Sub Main()
>     Dim sCipher, sData As String
> 
>     sCipher = Cipher["AES-256-CBC"].EncryptSalted("Hello there", "secret")
>     Print "Cipher text (base64):";; Base64$(sCipher)
>     sData = Cipher["AES-256-CBC"].DecryptSalted(sCipher, "secret")
>     Print "Decrypted:";; sData
> 
>     Try Cipher["AES-256-CBC"].DecryptSalted(sCipher, "wrong")
>     If Error Then Print "ERROR:";; Error.Text
>   End
> 
> produces the following output:
> 
>   Cipher text (base64): U2FsdGVkX1+j36HLTJVWjG2ciDw2ZOk/dhbdB7aiTOg=
>   Decrypted: Hello there
>   ERROR: Decryption failed

This was concise. I pasted it into the doc:

http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp/gb.openssl/cipher

Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Sat Sep 29 11:43:47 2018
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 11:43:47 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Database example query
In-Reply-To: <0802024d-2f8d-5518-7f83-44e144ab3581@iway.na>
References: <0802024d-2f8d-5518-7f83-44e144ab3581@iway.na>
Message-ID: <CAJ2rqFbvN=nOXNKXY-SLm3nwE9fEzAAg6fsTfn3dZah-ZA_SvA@mail.gmail.com>

Your mail ended up in gmail spam (when the programs are too smart they end
up being stupid).
I'll enclose what I promised.

Regards
Gianluigi

Il giorno ven 28 set 2018 alle ore 15:14 Frank H Aldridge <franka at iway.na>
ha scritto:

> I am an absolutely new user of Gambas, 76 years old and only using it to
> write simple self-use programs. I bought the e-book Beginners Guide to
> Gambas, Revised edition from Amazon and as a consequence it does not have
> the cd that would have been included with the hard copy.
>
> I am using Ubuntu 18.4 and Gambas 3.11.90 together with SQLite.
>
> Because I don't have the cd I decided to "create" the Database1 program
> described in the book under "The Database Example Program". I have created
> the main form as well as the FRequest form, both with their various
> controls.
>
> On FMain (I noticed that you cannot change the name of the Main form) I
> placed a Textbox at the bottom in a Frame called SQL request.
>
> During the instructions detailing how the program "works" there is the
> following quote:
>
> "we set the enabled properties for both program forms to TRUE and place
> some default text in the SQL request box at the bottom of the FMain form:
>
> frmDatabase.Enabled = TRUE
> frmRequest.Enabled = TRUE
> txtRequest.Text ="Show Tables"
>
> 1. At this point my problem is that there are no forms called
>  frmDatabase or frmRequest.
>
> 2. My next problem is that the Textbox does not accept multi-lines.
>
> The code for the "RUN Button" (next to the SQL Request text box is:
>
> Public Sub btnRun_Click()
>
>     Dim rData As Result
>
>     Dim hForm As FRequest
>
>     rData = $hConn.Exec(txtRequest.Text)
>     hForm = New FRequest($hConn, rData)
>     hForm.Show
>
>     Catch
>       Message.Error(Error.text)
>
>       End
>
> 3. When I click on the "Run" button a message comes up stating: Query
> failed: near "Show Tables"; syntax error. (I have only entered this
> oneline due to 2 above.
>
> If I blank the Textbox for the SQL query and insert a SQL query directly
> into the line:
> rData = $hConn.Exec("Select * from Test") instead of (txtRequest.Text)then
> I get the message:
>
> Cannot exec request
> Unknown symbol 'Width' in Class 'Font'
> OK
>
> Clicking OK brings the message:
> 'Not enough arguments'
>
> I believe that the above two messages come from the following code under
> the FRequest form.
>
> Private Sub ReadData()
>
>
>     Dim hTable As Table
>     Dim hField As ResultField
>     Dim iInd As Integer
>
>     Inc Application.Busy
>
>     tbvData.Rows.count = 0
>     tbvData.Columns.Count = $rData.Fields.Count
>
>     For Each hField In $rData.Fields
>       With hField
>
>         tbvData.Columns[iInd].Text = .Name
>
>         tbvData.Columns[iInd].Width = WidthFromType(tbvData,
> .Type,.Length,.Name)
>
>         End With
>
>         Inc iInd
>
>         Next
>
>         tbvData.Rows.Count = $rData.Count
>
>         Finally
>
>           Dec Application.Busy
>
>           Catch
>             Message.Error("Cannot exec request" & "\n\n" & Error.Text)
>            End
>
> Can anybody who may have this book and the CD perhaps throw some light on
> what may be causing the problems?
>
> --
> Frank H Aldridge
> P.O. Box 3696
> c/o Kiaat & Bottle Tree Streets
> Ext. 15
> Swakopmund
> +264(0)811248922
>
>
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
>
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 29 11:56:06 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 11:56:06 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Creating Actions at runtime
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Le 29/09/2018 ? 03:41, Me a ?crit?:
> 
> I don't think that the latter would work as the code defining the control action could
> be anywhere. Not necessarily when and where the control is created?
> 
> An explicit Action.Add() would be beneficial,
> 
> The thing I don't understand is why the new action doesn't appear in Action.List but the
> Action works? In other words, where does the new action string get registered? Is it
> somewhere down low in the UI library itself? I have searched myself silly through the
> gambas source code but I cannot find it.
> 
> regards
> Bruce
> --
> adamant42 at gmail.com
> 
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> 

The Action._Register() method is called each time the Action property of 
a control changes.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 29 12:37:19 2018
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Me)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 20:07:19 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] Creating Actions at runtime
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> > 
> > ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
> > 
> 
> The Action._Register() method is called each time the Action property of 
> a control changes.
> 
> -- 
> Beno?t Minisini
> 
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----

Aha! Does that happen for menus as well?  
More tomorrow, I'll have a look-see.
b
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 29 13:31:07 2018
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 13:31:07 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Creating Actions at runtime
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Le 29/09/2018 ? 12:37, Me a ?crit?:
>>>
>>> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
>>>
>>
>> The Action._Register() method is called each time the Action property of
>> a control changes.
>>
>> -- 
>> Beno?t Minisini
>>
>> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
> 
> Aha! Does that happen for menus as well?
> More tomorrow, I'll have a look-see.
> b
> 

In the last commit, I have added two new methods to the Action class 
defined in gb.form.mdi:

Action.Add() declares a new action. You have to give all the action 
properties: the action name, the text, the icon url, if the action can 
have a shortcut, and the default shortcut.

Action.AddFrom() does the same thing, but from a control.

Beware that as a Picture object never knows that it has been created 
from the stock, Action.AddFrom() cannot guess the icon url associated 
with a control.

I decided not to add actions automatically through the 
Action._Register() method I told you previously, because it's too hard 
to handle.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 29 14:43:26 2018
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Me)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 22:13:26 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] Creating Actions at runtime
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On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 13:31:07 +0200
Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Le 29/09/2018 ? 12:37, Me a ?crit?:
> >>>
> >>> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
> >>>
> >>
> >> The Action._Register() method is called each time the Action property of
> >> a control changes.
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Beno?t Minisini
> >>
> >> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
> > 
> > Aha! Does that happen for menus as well?
> > More tomorrow, I'll have a look-see.
> > b
> > 
> 
> In the last commit, I have added two new methods to the Action class 
> defined in gb.form.mdi:
> 
> Action.Add() declares a new action. You have to give all the action 
> properties: the action name, the text, the icon url, if the action can 
> have a shortcut, and the default shortcut.
> 
> Action.AddFrom() does the same thing, but from a control.
> 
> Beware that as a Picture object never knows that it has been created 
> from the stock, Action.AddFrom() cannot guess the icon url associated 
> with a control.
> 
> I decided not to add actions automatically through the 
> Action._Register() method I told you previously, because it's too hard 
> to handle.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -- 
> Beno?t Minisini
> 
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----

Thanks Beno?t, will check it out tomorrow.
regards
Bruce
-- 
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Sat Sep 29 23:01:04 2018
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 23:01:04 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Error compiling on Fedora
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By compiling Gambas Master on Fedora after successfully configuring the
libraries (|| ALL COMPONENTS WILL BE COMPILED) on make/configure I get
error, attach the final part of the log file.
Any suggestions?

Regards & good night
Gianluigi
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From tmorehen at ajm-software.com  Sat Sep 29 23:15:31 2018
From: tmorehen at ajm-software.com (Tony Morehen)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 17:15:31 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Error compiling on Fedora
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On 2018-09-29 4:01 p.m., Gianluigi wrote:
> By compiling Gambas Master on Fedora after successfully configuring 
> the libraries (|| ALL COMPONENTS WILL BE COMPILED) on make/configure I 
> get error, attach the final part of the log file.
> Any suggestions?
>
> Regards & good night
> Gianluigi
>
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From tmorehen at ajm-software.com  Sat Sep 29 23:21:29 2018
From: tmorehen at ajm-software.com (Tony Morehen)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 17:21:29 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Error compiling on Fedora
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ltdl.h is usually installed as part of libtool, you can install with yum:
*yum install libtool*

On 2018-09-29 4:01 p.m., Gianluigi wrote:
> By compiling Gambas Master on Fedora after successfully configuring 
> the libraries (|| ALL COMPONENTS WILL BE COMPILED) on make/configure I 
> get error, attach the final part of the log file.
> Any suggestions?
>
> Regards & good night
> Gianluigi
>
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From taboege at gmail.com  Sat Sep 29 23:27:07 2018
From: taboege at gmail.com (Tobias Boege)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 23:27:07 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Error compiling on Fedora
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On Sat, 29 Sep 2018, Gianluigi wrote:
> By compiling Gambas Master on Fedora after successfully configuring the
> libraries (|| ALL COMPONENTS WILL BE COMPILED) on make/configure I get
> error, attach the final part of the log file.
> Any suggestions?
> 
> [...]
>
> Making all in gb.openssl
> make[2]: ingresso nella directory "/home/gian/gambasdevel/gb.openssl"
> make  all-recursive
> make[3]: ingresso nella directory "/home/gian/gambasdevel/gb.openssl"
> Making all in src
> make[4]: ingresso nella directory "/home/gian/gambasdevel/gb.openssl/src"
>   CC       gb_openssl_la-main.lo
> In file included from ../../main/gbx/gbx_component.h:31,
>                  from ../../main/gbx/gbx_class.h:31,
>                  from ../../main/gbx/gbx_value.h:30,
>                  from ../../main/gbx/gbx_string.h:27,
>                  from ../../main/gbx/gbx_variant.h:28,
>                  from ../../main/gbx/gbx_compare.h:29,
>                  from main.c:27:
> ../../main/gbx/gbx_library.h:34:12: fatal error: ltdl.h: No such file or directory
>    #include <ltdl.h>
>             ^~~~~~~~
> compilation terminated.
> make[4]: *** [Makefile:489: gb_openssl_la-main.lo] Error 1
> make[4]: uscita dalla directory "/home/gian/gambasdevel/gb.openssl/src"
> make[3]: *** [Makefile:435: all-recursive] Error 1
> make[3]: uscita dalla directory "/home/gian/gambasdevel/gb.openssl"
> make[2]: *** [Makefile:367: all] Error 2
> make[2]: uscita dalla directory "/home/gian/gambasdevel/gb.openssl"
> make[1]: *** [Makefile:436: all-recursive] Error 1
> make[1]: uscita dalla directory "/home/gian/gambasdevel"
> make: *** [Makefile:377: all] Error 2

That's a strange error to happen at this late stage, but main.c
in gb.openssl does include some unusual gambas headers.

Do you have installed whatever provides ltdl.h on Fedora? I looked
a bit and it's probably called libtool-ltdl-devel, but information
on the web outdates now and then... It compiles fine over here, on
an (almost) freshly updated Arch Linux.

Regards,
Tobi

-- 
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 30 06:05:48 2018
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Me)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 13:35:48 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] Creating Actions at runtime
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On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 13:31:07 +0200
Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Le 29/09/2018 ? 12:37, Me a ?crit?:
> >>>
> >>> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
> >>>
> >>
> >> The Action._Register() method is called each time the Action property of
> >> a control changes.
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Beno?t Minisini
> >>
> >> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
> > 
> > Aha! Does that happen for menus as well?
> > More tomorrow, I'll have a look-see.
> > b
> > 
> 
> In the last commit, I have added two new methods to the Action class 
> defined in gb.form.mdi:
> 
> Action.Add() declares a new action. You have to give all the action 
> properties: the action name, the text, the icon url, if the action can 
> have a shortcut, and the default shortcut.
> 
> Action.AddFrom() does the same thing, but from a control.
> 
> Beware that as a Picture object never knows that it has been created 
> from the stock, Action.AddFrom() cannot guess the icon url associated 
> with a control.
> 
> I decided not to add actions automatically through the 
> Action._Register() method I told you previously, because it's too hard 
> to handle.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -- 
> Beno?t Minisini
> 
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----

Works well!  But ...    :-)
Something strange happened. Some of the normal menus i.e. the ones configured 
via the form designer no longer appear in the shortcut editor, some do?? To make
them re-appear I had to delete them and re-add them, then everything works.
(I am looking at the .actions files and see some strange things like menus with "no
text" even though they actually do have text/caption.  Maybe this is not related?
I'll do some more checking.)

regards
Bruce
-- 
adamant42 at gmail.com

From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 30 06:06:41 2018
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Me)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 13:36:41 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] Generic event handler - is it possible?
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On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 08:07:26 +0200
Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > Sorry Bruce... bad read... forget the last post
> 
> >
> >>

Rats! You got me all excited there.

regards
Bruce
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From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Sun Sep 30 10:20:03 2018
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 10:20:03 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Generic event handler - is it possible?
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And by using an observer ?

This observer can be created in the last object and maybe redirected to
your main class ?

The only things you have to do is to have a way to get acces to the main
object handle. Maybe via a static property.

So then the observer will duplicate the events and raise it to the main
class.

So you can indicate to the observer to raise after the diplicate one an
lock the raising from the children class before the main class catch.

If the error is managed in the far child then lock the raising else let the
main manage it.

Hobs = new observer (me) as  "Satellite "

Object.attach (hobs, CMain.Current,"Satellite")

Maybe a way....


Le dim. 30 sept. 2018 06:07, Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 08:07:26 +0200
> Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Sorry Bruce... bad read... forget the last post
> >
> > >
> > >>
>
> Rats! You got me all excited there.
>
> regards
> Bruce
> --
> adamant42 at gmail.com
>
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From adamnt42 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 30 12:07:27 2018
From: adamnt42 at gmail.com (Me)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 19:37:27 +0930
Subject: [Gambas-user] Generic event handler - is it possible?
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 10:20:03 +0200
Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com> wrote:

> And by using an observer ?
> 
> This observer can be created in the last object and maybe redirected to
> your main class ?
> 
> The only things you have to do is to have a way to get acces to the main
> object handle. Maybe via a static property.
> 
> So then the observer will duplicate the events and raise it to the main
> class.
> 
> So you can indicate to the observer to raise after the diplicate one an
> lock the raising from the children class before the main class catch.
> 
> If the error is managed in the far child then lock the raising else let the
> main manage it.
> 
> Hobs = new observer (me) as  "Satellite "
> 
> Object.attach (hobs, CMain.Current,"Satellite")
> 
> Maybe a way....
> 
> 
> Le dim. 30 sept. 2018 06:07, Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com> a ?crit :
> 
> > On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 08:07:26 +0200
> > Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > Sorry Bruce... bad read... forget the last post
> > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> >
> > Rats! You got me all excited there.
> >
> > regards
> > Bruce
> > --
> > adamant42 at gmail.com
> >
> > ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
> >

Sounds promising, I'll give it a go tomoorow.

I'll give a bit more explanantion though.
Every day we process between 80 and 2000 auction lots (thouroughbred horses) from 
1 to 20ish auction houses. This involves (say about) 12 messages we receive in
several (23) different ways.   Well over 80% of the messages we get in the morning (and
during the day) go through the system with no "problem". However, some times there 
is an exception that, well, happens. An example would be - a horse is registered as a
lot at a particular auction a few days before the actual sale, on the morning of the sale
the horse is delivered to the auction yard. On inspection it is founf to be lame, or the 
wrong color or it's a cow not a horse, or any one of a gazillion other things that
render the proposed lot disadvantageous for sale. While we are processing large
batches of messages from the auction houses we encounter some exception that
we cannot handle automatically, the most common being the delivered horse is not
the same color as the registered sale horse. The problem is that someone, somewhere
entered the wrong data: the vendor, the handlers at the yard, the clerical staff etc.
It can only be rectified by a human (we, anywhere up to 400km away, have no idea what
 color the actual horse is) and a phone call or a few phone calls.
Meanwhile the incoming message process really needs to continue with handling the 
next messages. Due the nature of the parsers  the message that has the problem can
be anywhere up to 6 or 7 levels deep in collections of collections of collections.   
So the Error.Raise mechanism doesn't work as it would unravel the execution stream 
and probably lose its place. The general idea of what I'm looking to achieve is that the
main code could catch an event, say "WrongColor" and write it out to a queue file of
messages thet need manual handling. Trying to manage it from the top down would be
a coding nightmare. So youre idea looks good so far.  (Decades ago, I could have 
written this in a dozen lines or so in PL1 using conditions and an OnAny$ condition
handler! Such is life.)

cheers
Bruce

-- 
adamant42 at gmail.com

From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Sun Sep 30 12:12:25 2018
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 12:12:25 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Generic event handler - is it possible?
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The other way can be a direct call to a static function in the main class.

This static function just add the log in a queued file.

Le dim. 30 sept. 2018 12:08, Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 10:20:03 +0200
> Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > And by using an observer ?
> >
> > This observer can be created in the last object and maybe redirected to
> > your main class ?
> >
> > The only things you have to do is to have a way to get acces to the main
> > object handle. Maybe via a static property.
> >
> > So then the observer will duplicate the events and raise it to the main
> > class.
> >
> > So you can indicate to the observer to raise after the diplicate one an
> > lock the raising from the children class before the main class catch.
> >
> > If the error is managed in the far child then lock the raising else let
> the
> > main manage it.
> >
> > Hobs = new observer (me) as  "Satellite "
> >
> > Object.attach (hobs, CMain.Current,"Satellite")
> >
> > Maybe a way....
> >
> >
> > Le dim. 30 sept. 2018 06:07, Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com> a ?crit :
> >
> > > On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 08:07:26 +0200
> > > Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry Bruce... bad read... forget the last post
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > >
> > > Rats! You got me all excited there.
> > >
> > > regards
> > > Bruce
> > > --
> > > adamant42 at gmail.com
> > >
> > > ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
> ]----
> > >
>
> Sounds promising, I'll give it a go tomoorow.
>
> I'll give a bit more explanantion though.
> Every day we process between 80 and 2000 auction lots (thouroughbred
> horses) from
> 1 to 20ish auction houses. This involves (say about) 12 messages we
> receive in
> several (23) different ways.   Well over 80% of the messages we get in the
> morning (and
> during the day) go through the system with no "problem". However, some
> times there
> is an exception that, well, happens. An example would be - a horse is
> registered as a
> lot at a particular auction a few days before the actual sale, on the
> morning of the sale
> the horse is delivered to the auction yard. On inspection it is founf to
> be lame, or the
> wrong color or it's a cow not a horse, or any one of a gazillion other
> things that
> render the proposed lot disadvantageous for sale. While we are processing
> large
> batches of messages from the auction houses we encounter some exception
> that
> we cannot handle automatically, the most common being the delivered horse
> is not
> the same color as the registered sale horse. The problem is that someone,
> somewhere
> entered the wrong data: the vendor, the handlers at the yard, the clerical
> staff etc.
> It can only be rectified by a human (we, anywhere up to 400km away, have
> no idea what
>  color the actual horse is) and a phone call or a few phone calls.
> Meanwhile the incoming message process really needs to continue with
> handling the
> next messages. Due the nature of the parsers  the message that has the
> problem can
> be anywhere up to 6 or 7 levels deep in collections of collections of
> collections.
> So the Error.Raise mechanism doesn't work as it would unravel the
> execution stream
> and probably lose its place. The general idea of what I'm looking to
> achieve is that the
> main code could catch an event, say "WrongColor" and write it out to a
> queue file of
> messages thet need manual handling. Trying to manage it from the top down
> would be
> a coding nightmare. So youre idea looks good so far.  (Decades ago, I
> could have
> written this in a dozen lines or so in PL1 using conditions and an OnAny$
> condition
> handler! Such is life.)
>
> cheers
> Bruce
>
> --
> adamant42 at gmail.com
>
> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
>
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From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Sun Sep 30 12:24:07 2018
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 12:24:07 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Generic event handler - is it possible?
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For getting the main class if there is different one you can use a loop you
put in the collect class


Private Sub GetMainClass ()
Dim hParent as Object
hParent = me
Do
hParent =Object.Parent (hParent)
If Not (hParent is MyCollect) then break
Loop
Return hParent
End

The child class must have an event and the parent an handle to get
object.parent setting



Le dim. 30 sept. 2018 12:12, Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> The other way can be a direct call to a static function in the main class.
>
> This static function just add the log in a queued file.
>
> Le dim. 30 sept. 2018 12:08, Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>
>> On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 10:20:03 +0200
>> Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > And by using an observer ?
>> >
>> > This observer can be created in the last object and maybe redirected to
>> > your main class ?
>> >
>> > The only things you have to do is to have a way to get acces to the main
>> > object handle. Maybe via a static property.
>> >
>> > So then the observer will duplicate the events and raise it to the main
>> > class.
>> >
>> > So you can indicate to the observer to raise after the diplicate one an
>> > lock the raising from the children class before the main class catch.
>> >
>> > If the error is managed in the far child then lock the raising else let
>> the
>> > main manage it.
>> >
>> > Hobs = new observer (me) as  "Satellite "
>> >
>> > Object.attach (hobs, CMain.Current,"Satellite")
>> >
>> > Maybe a way....
>> >
>> >
>> > Le dim. 30 sept. 2018 06:07, Me <adamnt42 at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>> >
>> > > On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 08:07:26 +0200
>> > > Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Sorry Bruce... bad read... forget the last post
>> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >>
>> > >
>> > > Rats! You got me all excited there.
>> > >
>> > > regards
>> > > Bruce
>> > > --
>> > > adamant42 at gmail.com
>> > >
>> > > ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
>> ]----
>> > >
>>
>> Sounds promising, I'll give it a go tomoorow.
>>
>> I'll give a bit more explanantion though.
>> Every day we process between 80 and 2000 auction lots (thouroughbred
>> horses) from
>> 1 to 20ish auction houses. This involves (say about) 12 messages we
>> receive in
>> several (23) different ways.   Well over 80% of the messages we get in
>> the morning (and
>> during the day) go through the system with no "problem". However, some
>> times there
>> is an exception that, well, happens. An example would be - a horse is
>> registered as a
>> lot at a particular auction a few days before the actual sale, on the
>> morning of the sale
>> the horse is delivered to the auction yard. On inspection it is founf to
>> be lame, or the
>> wrong color or it's a cow not a horse, or any one of a gazillion other
>> things that
>> render the proposed lot disadvantageous for sale. While we are processing
>> large
>> batches of messages from the auction houses we encounter some exception
>> that
>> we cannot handle automatically, the most common being the delivered horse
>> is not
>> the same color as the registered sale horse. The problem is that someone,
>> somewhere
>> entered the wrong data: the vendor, the handlers at the yard, the
>> clerical staff etc.
>> It can only be rectified by a human (we, anywhere up to 400km away, have
>> no idea what
>>  color the actual horse is) and a phone call or a few phone calls.
>> Meanwhile the incoming message process really needs to continue with
>> handling the
>> next messages. Due the nature of the parsers  the message that has the
>> problem can
>> be anywhere up to 6 or 7 levels deep in collections of collections of
>> collections.
>> So the Error.Raise mechanism doesn't work as it would unravel the
>> execution stream
>> and probably lose its place. The general idea of what I'm looking to
>> achieve is that the
>> main code could catch an event, say "WrongColor" and write it out to a
>> queue file of
>> messages thet need manual handling. Trying to manage it from the top down
>> would be
>> a coding nightmare. So youre idea looks good so far.  (Decades ago, I
>> could have
>> written this in a dozen lines or so in PL1 using conditions and an OnAny$
>> condition
>> handler! Such is life.)
>>
>> cheers
>> Bruce
>>
>> --
>> adamant42 at gmail.com
>>
>> ----[ Gambas mailing-list is hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net ]----
>>
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Sun Sep 30 14:37:58 2018
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 14:37:58 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Error compiling on Fedora
In-Reply-To: <20180929212707.GA1811@highrise.localdomain>
References: <CAJ2rqFbXRXPDqh4vASGusuKrDs1PTu_OssnNqmvWFH-uCXeERg@mail.gmail.com>
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Il giorno sab 29 set 2018 alle ore 23:26 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>
ha scritto:

> On Sat, 29 Sep 2018, Gianluigi wrote:
> > By compiling Gambas Master on Fedora after successfully configuring the
> > libraries (|| ALL COMPONENTS WILL BE COMPILED) on make/configure I get
> > error, attach the final part of the log file.
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > Making all in gb.openssl
> > make[2]: ingresso nella directory "/home/gian/gambasdevel/gb.openssl"
> > make  all-recursive
> > make[3]: ingresso nella directory "/home/gian/gambasdevel/gb.openssl"
> > Making all in src
> > make[4]: ingresso nella directory "/home/gian/gambasdevel/gb.openssl/src"
> >   CC       gb_openssl_la-main.lo
> > In file included from ../../main/gbx/gbx_component.h:31,
> >                  from ../../main/gbx/gbx_class.h:31,
> >                  from ../../main/gbx/gbx_value.h:30,
> >                  from ../../main/gbx/gbx_string.h:27,
> >                  from ../../main/gbx/gbx_variant.h:28,
> >                  from ../../main/gbx/gbx_compare.h:29,
> >                  from main.c:27:
> > ../../main/gbx/gbx_library.h:34:12: fatal error: ltdl.h: No such file or
> directory
> >    #include <ltdl.h>
> >             ^~~~~~~~
> > compilation terminated.
> > make[4]: *** [Makefile:489: gb_openssl_la-main.lo] Error 1
> > make[4]: uscita dalla directory "/home/gian/gambasdevel/gb.openssl/src"
> > make[3]: *** [Makefile:435: all-recursive] Error 1
> > make[3]: uscita dalla directory "/home/gian/gambasdevel/gb.openssl"
> > make[2]: *** [Makefile:367: all] Error 2
> > make[2]: uscita dalla directory "/home/gian/gambasdevel/gb.openssl"
> > make[1]: *** [Makefile:436: all-recursive] Error 1
> > make[1]: uscita dalla directory "/home/gian/gambasdevel"
> > make: *** [Makefile:377: all] Error 2
>
> That's a strange error to happen at this late stage, but main.c
> in gb.openssl does include some unusual gambas headers.
>
> Do you have installed whatever provides ltdl.h on Fedora? I looked
> a bit and it's probably called libtool-ltdl-devel, but information
> on the web outdates now and then... It compiles fine over here, on
> an (almost) freshly updated Arch Linux.
>
> Regards,
> Tobi
>

@Tony,
thanks for the answer, but libtool was already installed.

@Tobias,
yes, libtool-ltdl-devel was missing, thank you.
Now I can install Gambas3 (working) but it doesn't compile gbh3.
I tried to install am-utils but without success, which library still do I
miss?

I enclose the final part of the log file

TIA

Regards
Gianluigi
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From taboege at gmail.com  Sun Sep 30 17:20:22 2018
From: taboege at gmail.com (Tobias Boege)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 17:20:22 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Error compiling on Fedora
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Message-ID: <20180930152022.GA12450@highrise.localdomain>

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018, Gianluigi wrote:
> Now I can install Gambas3 (working) but it doesn't compile gbh3.
> I tried to install am-utils but without success, which library still do I
> miss?
> 
> I enclose the final part of the log file
> 
> TIA
> 
> Regards
> Gianluigi

> Installing gambas3...
> Compiling gbs3...
> OK
> Installing gbs3...
> Installing the scripter...
> Registering Gambas script mimetype
> Registering Gambas server page mimetype
> Installing the Gambas appdata file
> Installing the Gambas template projects
> /usr/bin/install -c -d /usr/share/gambas3/template;
> cp -R ./template/* /usr/share/gambas3/template;
> make[2]: Nessuna operazione da eseguire per "install-data-am".
> make[2]: uscita dalla directory "/home/gian/gambasdevel/app"
> make[1]: uscita dalla directory "/home/gian/gambasdevel/app"
> Making install in .
> make[1]: ingresso nella directory "/home/gian/gambasdevel"
> make[2]: ingresso nella directory "/home/gian/gambasdevel"
> 
> ||
> || Unable to compile gbh3
> ||
> 
> make[2]: Nessuna operazione da eseguire per "install-data-am".
> make[2]: uscita dalla directory "/home/gian/gambasdevel"
> make[1]: uscita dalla directory "/home/gian/gambasdevel"

Hmm, gbh3 doesn't really need anything. Can you do

  $ cd your/gambas/sources
  $ cd main/tools/gbh3
  $ gbc3 -ga

and see what it says?

In any case, gbh3 is more of a development tool IIRC. It is intended
to extract documentation from source code comments in C/C++ components,
similar to the '' and ''' comments in Gambas sources. You won't miss
anything even if it doesn't compile.

Regards,
Tobi

-- 
"There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk

From bagonergi at gmail.com  Sun Sep 30 19:49:29 2018
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 19:49:29 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Error compiling on Fedora
In-Reply-To: <20180930152022.GA12450@highrise.localdomain>
References: <CAJ2rqFbXRXPDqh4vASGusuKrDs1PTu_OssnNqmvWFH-uCXeERg@mail.gmail.com>
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Il giorno dom 30 set 2018 alle ore 17:19 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>
ha scritto:

> On Sun, 30 Sep 2018, Gianluigi wrote:
> > Now I can install Gambas3 (working) but it doesn't compile gbh3.
> > I tried to install am-utils but without success, which library still do I
> > miss?
> >
> > I enclose the final part of the log file
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Regards
> > Gianluigi
>
> > Installing gambas3...
> > Compiling gbs3...
> > OK
> > Installing gbs3...
> > Installing the scripter...
> > Registering Gambas script mimetype
> > Registering Gambas server page mimetype
> > Installing the Gambas appdata file
> > Installing the Gambas template projects
> > /usr/bin/install -c -d /usr/share/gambas3/template;
> > cp -R ./template/* /usr/share/gambas3/template;
> > make[2]: Nessuna operazione da eseguire per "install-data-am".
> > make[2]: uscita dalla directory "/home/gian/gambasdevel/app"
> > make[1]: uscita dalla directory "/home/gian/gambasdevel/app"
> > Making install in .
> > make[1]: ingresso nella directory "/home/gian/gambasdevel"
> > make[2]: ingresso nella directory "/home/gian/gambasdevel"
> >
> > ||
> > || Unable to compile gbh3
> > ||
> >
> > make[2]: Nessuna operazione da eseguire per "install-data-am".
> > make[2]: uscita dalla directory "/home/gian/gambasdevel"
> > make[1]: uscita dalla directory "/home/gian/gambasdevel"
>
> Hmm, gbh3 doesn't really need anything. Can you do
>
>   $ cd your/gambas/sources
>   $ cd main/tools/gbh3
>   $ gbc3 -ga
>
> and see what it says?
>
> In any case, gbh3 is more of a development tool IIRC. It is intended
> to extract documentation from source code comments in C/C++ components,
> similar to the '' and ''' comments in Gambas sources. You won't miss
> anything even if it doesn't compile.
>
> Regards,
> Tobi
>

Hi Tobias,
thank you, the 'gbc3 -ga' command returns 'OK'

Regards
Gianluigi
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Sun Sep 30 20:31:38 2018
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:31:38 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] Error compiling on Fedora
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Just for your information I have compiled Gambas3 Master on Fedora 28
Workstation following this step by step procedure:
Note: Every time the terminal asks for confirmation we answer with y (yes).

sudo dnf groupupdate "Development Tools" "Development Libraries"
(this command can also be given in our language)

Download the latest rpmfusion-free-release-stable rpm from:
http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/

Install with: sudo rpm -Uvh rpmfusion-free-release-stable.noarch.rpm

sudo dnf install medialibrary-devel

Note: The next command, if copied, must be rebuilt in a text editor like
gedit. We need to remove the wrap and the libraries must be separated by a
space.

sudo dnf install gcc-c++-x86_64-linux-gnu libtool libtool-ltdl-devel
libffi-devel libzip libzip-devel cairo-devel libcryptui-devel
community-mysql-devel unixODBC-devel postgresql-devel sqlite2-devel
imlib2-devel librsvg2-devel libsqlite3x-devel libXtst-devel
libgnome-keyring-devel gtk2-devel gtk3-devel gtkglext-devel
gdk-pixbuf2-devel libxml-devel gsl-devel imlib-devel gstreamer1-devel
gmime-devel ghc-OpenGL-devel glslang-devel glusterfs-devel poppler-devel
poppler-qt-devel qt-devel poppler-qt5-devel  PackageKit-Qt5-devel SDL-devel
SDL2-devel SDL_sound-devel SDL_ttf-devel SDL_net-devel SDL_mixer-devel
SDL_image-devel SDL_gfx-devel SDL_Pango-devel mesa-libGLU-devel
mesa-libGLw-devel mesa-libGL-devel glew-devel qtwebkit-devel
qt5-devel.noarch openal-soft-devel qt5-qtwebkit-devel alure-devel
freealut-devel SDL2_image-devel SDL2_net-devel SDL2_ttf-devel
SDL2_mixer-devel libjpeg-turbo-devel libv4l-devel gstreamer-devel
gstreamer-plugins-base-devel libxslt-devel pulseaudio-libs-devel
audiofile-devel sage-devel esound-devel qt5-qtmultimedia-devel
qt5-gstreamer-devel

Since git is already installed on Fedora 28:

git clone --depth=1 https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas.git gambasdevel

cd gambasdevel

./reconf-all && ./configure -C

If response = || ALL COMPONENTS WILL BE COMPILED:

make

sudo make install

Done.

Regards
Gianluigi
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