[Gambas-user] User Digest, Vol 3, Issue 18

Mon Dec 11 14:35:16 CET 2017

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Gianluigi

2017-12-11 14:25 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:

> 2017-12-11 9:20 GMT-04:00 Gary Hedquist <gh4wi at gmx.us>:
>
>> New Mobo, CPU, & memory parts on order.
>> The old Athlon PC's will be upgraded to AMD APU's.
>>
>> Thanks for the Info, too bad Gambas doesn't post
>> Hardware requirements on the web site.
>>
> that not depends on gambas, depends on your linux distribution..
>
> i install gambas in a 20 years old machine, ...
>
> gambas depends on many packages if these packages does not have configured
> for your hardware
>
> so then gambas obviously will not run.. if that packages coul not be run,
> and that depends of your linux distro
>
>
>
>>
>> Gary H.
>>
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>> 1. Re: hardware requirments? (Gianluigi)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:06:35 +0100
>> From: Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>> To: Gambas Mailing List <user at lists.gambas-basic.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Gambas-user] hardware requirments?
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>> Here [0] another thing is written (2.1.2.1 CPU - Athlon XP).
>> And then again, on the second PC about 13 years old, I installed Gambas
>> 3.10 (from PPA) on Xubuntu 16.04.03.
>> We try to give useful information and not to make religious wars.
>> Here he was asked to install Gambas from PPA.
>>
>> Regards
>> Gianluigi
>>
>> [0] https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/i386/ch02s01.html
>>
>> 2017-12-11 13:13 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>
>> > yeah gianluigi, based on your response, i ask to mikeB but seems are
>> very
>> > busy..
>> >
>> > the case of mikeB could not be possible as you said (more than 8G ram)
>> due
>> > amd athlon motherboards for home/office only supports up to 4G, and any
>> > winbuntu distro based does not work in that cpu, some packages raise me
>> the
>> > message "ilegal instruction set"
>> >
>> > Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>> > http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>> >
>> > 2017-12-11 4:27 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>> >
>> >> Hi Piccoro,
>> >> remember, not me but mikeB said this:
>> >> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >> Gianluigi
>> >>
>> >> 2017-12-11 4:14 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>> >>
>> >>> 2017-12-10 14:08 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>> >>>
>> >>>> But here we talk about 8 GB of RAM, CPU can not be older than 9
>> years,
>> >>>> could not support them.
>> >>>>
>> >>> umm in this case there's something wrong with your hardware
>> >>> description..
>> >>>
>> >>> you said athlon and never athlon motherboards support more thn 6Gb of
>> >>> ram i think so
>> >>>
>> >>> could you provide the ooutput of :
>> >>>
>> >>> /proc/cpuinfo
>> >>> lspci
>> >>>
>> >>> or could you try to compile and run gambas from tarball? in a testing
>> >>> installation?
>> >>>
>> >>> or reinstall and retest.. maybe its your hard-drive or some RAM dimm
>> in
>> >>> bad status
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Regards
>> >>>> Gianluigi
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2017-12-10 18:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> 9 years are not old! Athlon was made by firts time at 1999 a 18 year
>> >>>>> old, ok
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> gambas must be compiled in the host in that case or you must use my
>> >>>>> packages for older computers that really works optimized (venenux)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>> >>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 2017-12-10 11:48 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com
>> >:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> My computer is 9 years old and works perfectly with Linux Mint
>> >>>>>> (64bit). I really like the cinnamon desktop.
>> >>>>>> I compile Gambas myself and I compile every component except Qt5
>> >>>>>> stuff. Never had problems.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> When was last 32bit CPU for PCs made? Was it Athlon from 2005?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Jussi
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> If you like laughing...
>> >>>>>>> Mine is a 13-year old hardware (excluding monitors and mouse, just
>> >>>>>>> bought the monitor) and with Xubuntu 16.04 it works great.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Regards
>> >>>>>>> Gianluigi
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> 2017-12-10 12:47 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>> >>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> 2017-12-10 4:39 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Here (Gambas-it) there were discussions that would make us think
>> >>>>>>>>> otherwise.
>> >>>>>>>>> Sometimes Mint gives different results.
>> >>>>>>>>> Taking a test does not cost much effort and removes any doubt.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> jajaja never mind. witn a winbuntu derivative never will work..
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> use a kernel with no so many up to date.. a kernel that fith the
>> >>>>>>>> hardware
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> wrong thinking that the most recent its the better
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Regards
>> >>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> 2017-12-10 2:03 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <
>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com
>> >>>>>>>>> >:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Interesting, then I would guess the fault is not on Linux Mint
>> >>>>>>>>>> either... their repos contain pretty much the same stuff.
>> >>>>>>>>>> But hard to say without testing... or knowing the actual error
>> >>>>>>>>>> message.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Jussi
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Gianluigi <
>> bagonergi at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes :-)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> [System]
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Gambas=3.10
>> >>>>>>>>>>> OperatingSystem=Linux
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kernel=4.4.0-103-generic
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Architecture=x86
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Desktop=XFCE
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Theme=Cleanlooks
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Language=it_IT.UTF-8
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Memory=3018M
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-09 20:10 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <
>> >>>>>>>>>>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Have you actually tested that with 32bit version?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jussi
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Gianluigi <
>> bagonergi at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> A possible solution that allows installing 3.10 from PPA is
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Xubuntu 16.04
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 19:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the problem its the winbuntu derived distro mint..
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> i installed gambas in the very older eeepc asus with 2G
>> disk
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ssd internal, 512Mb ram and geode CPU 800MHz perfectly..
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but recent stupid linuxes (including recent kernel) now
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed a lot of support for older hardware lest take a
>> example to xorg:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> since 7.3 xorg does not support intel i810 complety, lie to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> said that its supported due that chip does not offer 32bit
>> dept only 16bit
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "true color" so newer xorg does not complety provide all
>> the chip
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> capabilities
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so if you have intel 810 based chip and wants DIR and
>> opengl,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> xorg must be fewer rather thant 7.2 so an older linux must
>> be used..
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my case i backporte gambas for older linuxes.. like
>> debian
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lenny and squeeze perfectly.. of course, thanks to benoit
>> that still does
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not "up" the requerimients...
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 13:47 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com
>> >:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A possibly relevant difference between those systems is
>> that
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMD Athlons
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are 32 bit, unless I'm mistaken. Maybe some dependencies
>> are
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated for
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that architecture.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway it would be time to provide some real error
>> messages.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it's the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bitness or too high version requirements for some
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies that came
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since 3.8.4, the package manager should be able to say
>> that.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tobi
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" --
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Monk
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