[Gambas-user] User Digest, Vol 3, Issue 18

Mon Dec 11 14:22:39 CET 2017

2017-12-11 9:20 GMT-04:00 Gary Hedquist <gh4wi at gmx.us>:

> New Mobo, CPU, & memory parts on order.
> The old Athlon PC's will be upgraded to AMD APU's.
>
> Thanks for the Info, too bad Gambas doesn't post
> Hardware requirements on the web site.
>
> Gary H.
>

yeah as i guest.. i have a more older K7 and does not run either

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> 1. Re: hardware requirments? (Gianluigi)
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> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:06:35 +0100
> From: Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
> To: Gambas Mailing List <user at lists.gambas-basic.org>
> Subject: Re: [Gambas-user] hardware requirments?
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> Here [0] another thing is written (2.1.2.1 CPU - Athlon XP).
> And then again, on the second PC about 13 years old, I installed Gambas
> 3.10 (from PPA) on Xubuntu 16.04.03.
> We try to give useful information and not to make religious wars.
> Here he was asked to install Gambas from PPA.
>
> Regards
> Gianluigi
>
> [0] https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/i386/ch02s01.html
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> 2017-12-11 13:13 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>
> > yeah gianluigi, based on your response, i ask to mikeB but seems are very
> > busy..
> >
> > the case of mikeB could not be possible as you said (more than 8G ram)
> due
> > amd athlon motherboards for home/office only supports up to 4G, and any
> > winbuntu distro based does not work in that cpu, some packages raise me
> the
> > message "ilegal instruction set"
> >
> > Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> > http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
> >
> > 2017-12-11 4:27 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
> >
> >> Hi Piccoro,
> >> remember, not me but mikeB said this:
> >> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> works.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Gianluigi
> >>
> >> 2017-12-11 4:14 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
> >>
> >>> 2017-12-10 14:08 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
> >>>
> >>>> But here we talk about 8 GB of RAM, CPU can not be older than 9 years,
> >>>> could not support them.
> >>>>
> >>> umm in this case there's something wrong with your hardware
> >>> description..
> >>>
> >>> you said athlon and never athlon motherboards support more thn 6Gb of
> >>> ram i think so
> >>>
> >>> could you provide the ooutput of :
> >>>
> >>> /proc/cpuinfo
> >>> lspci
> >>>
> >>> or could you try to compile and run gambas from tarball? in a testing
> >>> installation?
> >>>
> >>> or reinstall and retest.. maybe its your hard-drive or some RAM dimm in
> >>> bad status
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards
> >>>> Gianluigi
> >>>>
> >>>> 2017-12-10 18:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com
> >:
> >>>>
> >>>>> 9 years are not old! Athlon was made by firts time at 1999 a 18 year
> >>>>> old, ok
> >>>>>
> >>>>> gambas must be compiled in the host in that case or you must use my
> >>>>> packages for older computers that really works optimized (venenux)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> >>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2017-12-10 11:48 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com
> >:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> My computer is 9 years old and works perfectly with Linux Mint
> >>>>>> (64bit). I really like the cinnamon desktop.
> >>>>>> I compile Gambas myself and I compile every component except Qt5
> >>>>>> stuff. Never had problems.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> When was last 32bit CPU for PCs made? Was it Athlon from 2005?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jussi
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you like laughing...
> >>>>>>> Mine is a 13-year old hardware (excluding monitors and mouse, just
> >>>>>>> bought the monitor) and with Xubuntu 16.04 it works great.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>> Gianluigi
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2017-12-10 12:47 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
> >>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 2017-12-10 4:39 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Here (Gambas-it) there were discussions that would make us think
> >>>>>>>>> otherwise.
> >>>>>>>>> Sometimes Mint gives different results.
> >>>>>>>>> Taking a test does not cost much effort and removes any doubt.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> jajaja never mind. witn a winbuntu derivative never will work..
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> use a kernel with no so many up to date.. a kernel that fith the
> >>>>>>>> hardware
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> wrong thinking that the most recent its the better
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 2017-12-10 2:03 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <
> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>> >:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Interesting, then I would guess the fault is not on Linux Mint
> >>>>>>>>>> either... their repos contain pretty much the same stuff.
> >>>>>>>>>> But hard to say without testing... or knowing the actual error
> >>>>>>>>>> message.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Jussi
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com
> >
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes :-)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> [System]
> >>>>>>>>>>> Gambas=3.10
> >>>>>>>>>>> OperatingSystem=Linux
> >>>>>>>>>>> Kernel=4.4.0-103-generic
> >>>>>>>>>>> Architecture=x86
> >>>>>>>>>>> Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
> >>>>>>>>>>> Desktop=XFCE
> >>>>>>>>>>> Theme=Cleanlooks
> >>>>>>>>>>> Language=it_IT.UTF-8
> >>>>>>>>>>> Memory=3018M
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-09 20:10 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <
> >>>>>>>>>>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Have you actually tested that with 32bit version?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jussi
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Gianluigi <
> bagonergi at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> A possible solution that allows installing 3.10 from PPA is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Xubuntu 16.04
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 19:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the problem its the winbuntu derived distro mint..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> i installed gambas in the very older eeepc asus with 2G disk
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ssd internal, 512Mb ram and geode CPU 800MHz perfectly..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but recent stupid linuxes (including recent kernel) now
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed a lot of support for older hardware lest take a
> example to xorg:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> since 7.3 xorg does not support intel i810 complety, lie to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> said that its supported due that chip does not offer 32bit
> dept only 16bit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "true color" so newer xorg does not complety provide all
> the chip
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> capabilities
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so if you have intel 810 based chip and wants DIR and
> opengl,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> xorg must be fewer rather thant 7.2 so an older linux must
> be used..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my case i backporte gambas for older linuxes.. like
> debian
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lenny and squeeze perfectly.. of course, thanks to benoit
> that still does
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not "up" the requerimients...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 13:47 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com
> >:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A possibly relevant difference between those systems is
> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMD Athlons
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are 32 bit, unless I'm mistaken. Maybe some dependencies
> are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that architecture.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway it would be time to provide some real error
> messages.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it's the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bitness or too high version requirements for some
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies that came
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since 3.8.4, the package manager should be able to say
> that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tobi
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Monk
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