[Gambas-user] hardware requirments?
PICCORO McKAY Lenz
mckaygerhard at gmail.com
Mon Dec 11 14:20:55 CET 2017
Athlon XP have sse yet! (year 2000 dec) maybe that the reason of
if MikeB does not have a Athlon XP or a AMD athlon up to 1999 year, does
not have sse and ...
maybe the ppa build eanbled the sse based on host gcc settings..
i have a K7 (pre-athlon) 800MHz and does not run
Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
2017-12-11 9:06 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
> Here [0] another thing is written (2.1.2.1 CPU - Athlon XP).
> And then again, on the second PC about 13 years old, I installed Gambas
> 3.10 (from PPA) on Xubuntu 16.04.03.
> We try to give useful information and not to make religious wars.
> Here he was asked to install Gambas from PPA.
>
> Regards
> Gianluigi
>
> [0] https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/i386/ch02s01.html
>
> 2017-12-11 13:13 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>
>> yeah gianluigi, based on your response, i ask to mikeB but seems are very
>> busy..
>>
>> the case of mikeB could not be possible as you said (more than 8G ram)
>> due amd athlon motherboards for home/office only supports up to 4G, and any
>> winbuntu distro based does not work in that cpu, some packages raise me the
>> message "ilegal instruction set"
>>
>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>
>> 2017-12-11 4:27 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hi Piccoro,
>>> remember, not me but mikeB said this:
>>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Gianluigi
>>>
>>> 2017-12-11 4:14 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> 2017-12-10 14:08 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> But here we talk about 8 GB of RAM, CPU can not be older than 9 years,
>>>>> could not support them.
>>>>>
>>>> umm in this case there's something wrong with your hardware
>>>> description..
>>>>
>>>> you said athlon and never athlon motherboards support more thn 6Gb of
>>>> ram i think so
>>>>
>>>> could you provide the ooutput of :
>>>>
>>>> /proc/cpuinfo
>>>> lspci
>>>>
>>>> or could you try to compile and run gambas from tarball? in a testing
>>>> installation?
>>>>
>>>> or reinstall and retest.. maybe its your hard-drive or some RAM dimm in
>>>> bad status
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-12-10 18:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> 9 years are not old! Athlon was made by firts time at 1999 a 18 year
>>>>>> old, ok
>>>>>>
>>>>>> gambas must be compiled in the host in that case or you must use my
>>>>>> packages for older computers that really works optimized (venenux)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-12-10 11:48 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My computer is 9 years old and works perfectly with Linux Mint
>>>>>>> (64bit). I really like the cinnamon desktop.
>>>>>>> I compile Gambas myself and I compile every component except Qt5
>>>>>>> stuff. Never had problems.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When was last 32bit CPU for PCs made? Was it Athlon from 2005?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you like laughing...
>>>>>>>> Mine is a 13-year old hardware (excluding monitors and mouse, just
>>>>>>>> bought the monitor) and with Xubuntu 16.04 it works great.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2017-12-10 12:47 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>>>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-10 4:39 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here (Gambas-it) there were discussions that would make us think
>>>>>>>>>> otherwise.
>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes Mint gives different results.
>>>>>>>>>> Taking a test does not cost much effort and removes any doubt.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> jajaja never mind. witn a winbuntu derivative never will work..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> use a kernel with no so many up to date.. a kernel that fith the
>>>>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrong thinking that the most recent its the better
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-10 2:03 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <
>>>>>>>>>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting, then I would guess the fault is not on Linux Mint
>>>>>>>>>>> either... their repos contain pretty much the same stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>> But hard to say without testing... or knowing the actual error
>>>>>>>>>>> message.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [System]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gambas=3.10
>>>>>>>>>>>> OperatingSystem=Linux
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kernel=4.4.0-103-generic
>>>>>>>>>>>> Architecture=x86
>>>>>>>>>>>> Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
>>>>>>>>>>>> Desktop=XFCE
>>>>>>>>>>>> Theme=Cleanlooks
>>>>>>>>>>>> Language=it_IT.UTF-8
>>>>>>>>>>>> Memory=3018M
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-09 20:10 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <
>>>>>>>>>>>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you actually tested that with 32bit version?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A possible solution that allows installing 3.10 from PPA is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Xubuntu 16.04
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 19:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the problem its the winbuntu derived distro mint..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i installed gambas in the very older eeepc asus with 2G disk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ssd internal, 512Mb ram and geode CPU 800MHz perfectly..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but recent stupid linuxes (including recent kernel) now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed a lot of support for older hardware lest take a example to xorg:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since 7.3 xorg does not support intel i810 complety, lie to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said that its supported due that chip does not offer 32bit dept only 16bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "true color" so newer xorg does not complety provide all the chip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capabilities
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so if you have intel 810 based chip and wants DIR and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opengl, xorg must be fewer rather thant 7.2 so an older linux must be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my case i backporte gambas for older linuxes.. like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> debian lenny and squeeze perfectly.. of course, thanks to benoit that still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not "up" the requerimients...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 13:47 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A possibly relevant difference between those systems is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that AMD Athlons
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are 32 bit, unless I'm mistaken. Maybe some dependencies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are outdated for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that architecture.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway it would be time to provide some real error
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> messages. If it's the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bitness or too high version requirements for some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies that came
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since 3.8.4, the package manager should be able to say that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tobi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Monk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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