From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Fri Dec  1 01:32:55 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 20:32:55 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Need help getting Gambas to run on an ARM module
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yoiur cpu its not mali, the real cpu for you are the
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-A7

here a table comparison
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ARMv7-A_cores

now lets see the (unfortunatelly) wiki for that:

https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Allwinner#Installing_on_systems_that_are_not_supported_out_of_the_box

ARMv7-A its the real cpu of you, but the all winner seems has issues on
installer, your debian arch must be armhf that was released by firts time
with wheeze

please are the debian arch flavor the armhf do you installed? do you used
the correct device tree?

also i noted that gambas are not enought tested on arm platforms,
inclusivelly in the bugtracker i can see that developers does not have
hardware to test... so i think many bugs are still present for arm

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2017-11-30 13:23 GMT-04:00 Bruce Cunningham <bcunningham at sportif.com>:

> Piccoro,
>
>
>
> The device is like a Raspberry PI, but uses an Allwinner SOC instead of
> the Broadcom SOC.  The processor is an ARM Cortex A7 dual core with the
> Mali400 GPU.
>
>
>
> Here is a link to the device:
>
> https://www.itead.cc/development-platform/arm/itead-core-aw204x.html
>
>
>
> I hope this helps.
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> Bruce Cunningham
>
> bcunningham at sportif.com
>
>
>
> *From:* User [mailto:user-bounces at lists.gambas-basic.org] *On Behalf Of *PICCORO
> McKAY Lenz
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 30, 2017 4:28 AM
> *To:* Gambas Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Gambas-user] Need help getting Gambas to run on an ARM
> module
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> apt-get install gambas3?.  It installs, but will not launch.  If I try to
> invoke it from the command line, it just hangs.  No error message, just
> hangs until I do ctrl-C.  I tried to build it from source, but encountered
> a number of errors, and never could get a full build.
>
> in this case seems the arch are not the same.. please report the exact
> hardware you are in use, i remenber that in debian theres a new floavor ofr
> arm devices
>
>
>
>
>
> So, I found a build of Armbian (xenial) with a GUI that seems to work very
> well for this board.  Much better OS build.  I installed Gambas with ?sudo
> apt-get install gambas3?, and it installed Gambas 3.8 (ubuntu armhf).  When
> I launch it, I get ?segmentation fault?.  So, I installed all of the
> dependencies, and checked out version 3.9 from the SVN repository.  It
> seemed to compile without too many issues (just some warnings that didn?t
> seem like much).  When I launch that version I get ?illegal instruction?.
>
> this confirm that the arch are not same, a possible could be that you are
> in multiarch mode and try to run a different arch, take in consideration
> that now in debian we can mix different archs
>
>
>
>
>
> At this point I figured I would try compiling version 3.6 instead.  In
> this case, Make fails with ?main.cpp:31:21: fatal error QDateTime: No such
> file or directory. Compilation terminated?.
>
> this its a common qt4 vs qt5 dependency problem the qt installed are
> incomplete, you must revise packages and disable qt5 modules in gambas,
> install complete qt4 modules and then setupd with update-alternatives the
> qt environment correctly
>
>
>
>
>
> I?m really more of a hardware guy, and I?m trying to build an embedded
> device based on this module.  I?m a long time vb6/vb.net person, and
> would really like to get Gambas working so as to avoid working in C.
>
> its a common guindows problems, your cup are full of win32 knowlegde..
>
> seems the problem in your case its a very older arm class hardware,
>
> please can you report exact model in use for that?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From bcunningham at sportif.com  Fri Dec  1 01:57:37 2017
From: bcunningham at sportif.com (Bruce Cunningham)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 00:57:37 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Need help getting Gambas to run on an ARM module
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I tried installing MonoDevelop today, and it works fine from the same repo.  I ran ?apt-get install monodevelop? to install it.  So, it seems other packages in the repo are fine.  I?ve installed several other things from the same repo, and they are all fine.

It?s like the Gambas binaries are broken?  I don?t know who maintains the Gambas builds for the armhf architecture.

Bruce

Bruce Cunningham
bcunningham at sportif.com<mailto:bcunningham at sportif.com>

From: User [mailto:user-bounces at lists.gambas-basic.org] On Behalf Of PICCORO McKAY Lenz
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 4:33 PM
To: Gambas Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Gambas-user] Need help getting Gambas to run on an ARM module

yoiur cpu its not mali, the real cpu for you are the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-A7

here a table comparison https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ARMv7-A_cores
now lets see the (unfortunatelly) wiki for that:

https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Allwinner#Installing_on_systems_that_are_not_supported_out_of_the_box

ARMv7-A its the real cpu of you, but the all winner seems has issues on installer, your debian arch must be armhf that was released by firts time with wheeze
please are the debian arch flavor the armhf do you installed? do you used the correct device tree?
also i noted that gambas are not enought tested on arm platforms, inclusivelly in the bugtracker i can see that developers does not have hardware to test... so i think many bugs are still present for arm

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2017-11-30 13:23 GMT-04:00 Bruce Cunningham <bcunningham at sportif.com<mailto:bcunningham at sportif.com>>:
Piccoro,

The device is like a Raspberry PI, but uses an Allwinner SOC instead of the Broadcom SOC.  The processor is an ARM Cortex A7 dual core with the Mali400 GPU.

Here is a link to the device:
https://www.itead.cc/development-platform/arm/itead-core-aw204x.html

I hope this helps.

Bruce

Bruce Cunningham
bcunningham at sportif.com<mailto:bcunningham at sportif.com>

From: User [mailto:user-bounces at lists.gambas-basic.org<mailto:user-bounces at lists.gambas-basic.org>] On Behalf Of PICCORO McKAY Lenz
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 4:28 AM
To: Gambas Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Gambas-user] Need help getting Gambas to run on an ARM module



apt-get install gambas3?.  It installs, but will not launch.  If I try to invoke it from the command line, it just hangs.  No error message, just hangs until I do ctrl-C.  I tried to build it from source, but encountered a number of errors, and never could get a full build.
in this case seems the arch are not the same.. please report the exact hardware you are in use, i remenber that in debian theres a new floavor ofr arm devices


So, I found a build of Armbian (xenial) with a GUI that seems to work very well for this board.  Much better OS build.  I installed Gambas with ?sudo apt-get install gambas3?, and it installed Gambas 3.8 (ubuntu armhf).  When I launch it, I get ?segmentation fault?.  So, I installed all of the dependencies, and checked out version 3.9 from the SVN repository.  It seemed to compile without too many issues (just some warnings that didn?t seem like much).  When I launch that version I get ?illegal instruction?.
this confirm that the arch are not same, a possible could be that you are in multiarch mode and try to run a different arch, take in consideration that now in debian we can mix different archs


At this point I figured I would try compiling version 3.6 instead.  In this case, Make fails with ?main.cpp:31:21: fatal error QDateTime: No such file or directory. Compilation terminated?.
this its a common qt4 vs qt5 dependency problem the qt installed are incomplete, you must revise packages and disable qt5 modules in gambas, install complete qt4 modules and then setupd with update-alternatives the qt environment correctly


I?m really more of a hardware guy, and I?m trying to build an embedded device based on this module.  I?m a long time vb6/vb.net<http://vb.net> person, and would really like to get Gambas working so as to avoid working in C.
its a common guindows problems, your cup are full of win32 knowlegde..
seems the problem in your case its a very older arm class hardware,

please can you report exact model in use for that?




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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Fri Dec  1 14:11:30 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 09:11:30 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Need help getting Gambas to run on an ARM module
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2017-11-30 20:57 GMT-04:00 Bruce Cunningham <bcunningham at sportif.com>:

> It?s like the Gambas binaries are broken?  I don?t know who maintains the
> Gambas builds for the armhf architecture.
>
for sure, as i search and noted yesterday, seems gambas binary does not
have been well tested in arm.. i mean the packages..

also noted try to compile by yourselft, i read in your previous mails:
So, I installed all of the dependencies, and checked out version 3.9 from
the SVN repository.  It seemed to compile without too many issues (just
some warnings that didn?t seem like much).  When I launch that version I
get ?illegal instruction?.
compiles well but got a ilegal instruction, i think its a clear bug inside
gambas comilation, in some place the arch are not correctly passed to the
compiler.

in that case, please fill a gambas bug in gambas bugtracker, and later then
answer this mail here with detailed compilation environment and complete
log attached to see what happened ! (also attach the same output in the bug
report)

there's any other here that have some degree experience in arm building
gambas?


>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> Bruce Cunningham
>
> bcunningham at sportif.com
>
>
>
> *From:* User [mailto:user-bounces at lists.gambas-basic.org] *On Behalf Of *PICCORO
> McKAY Lenz
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 30, 2017 4:33 PM
>
> *To:* Gambas Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Gambas-user] Need help getting Gambas to run on an ARM
> module
>
>
>
> yoiur cpu its not mali, the real cpu for you are the
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-A7
>
> here a table comparison https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> Comparison_of_ARMv7-A_cores
>
> now lets see the (unfortunatelly) wiki for that:
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Allwinner#
> Installing_on_systems_that_are_not_supported_out_of_the_box
>
> ARMv7-A its the real cpu of you, but the all winner seems has issues on
> installer, your debian arch must be armhf that was released by firts time
> with wheeze
>
> please are the debian arch flavor the armhf do you installed? do you used
> the correct device tree?
>
> also i noted that gambas are not enought tested on arm platforms,
> inclusivelly in the bugtracker i can see that developers does not have
> hardware to test... so i think many bugs are still present for arm
>
>
> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> 2017-11-30 13:23 GMT-04:00 Bruce Cunningham <bcunningham at sportif.com>:
>
> Piccoro,
>
>
>
> The device is like a Raspberry PI, but uses an Allwinner SOC instead of
> the Broadcom SOC.  The processor is an ARM Cortex A7 dual core with the
> Mali400 GPU.
>
>
>
> Here is a link to the device:
>
> https://www.itead.cc/development-platform/arm/itead-core-aw204x.html
>
>
>
> I hope this helps.
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> Bruce Cunningham
>
> bcunningham at sportif.com
>
>
>
> *From:* User [mailto:user-bounces at lists.gambas-basic.org] *On Behalf Of *PICCORO
> McKAY Lenz
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 30, 2017 4:28 AM
> *To:* Gambas Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Gambas-user] Need help getting Gambas to run on an ARM
> module
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> apt-get install gambas3?.  It installs, but will not launch.  If I try to
> invoke it from the command line, it just hangs.  No error message, just
> hangs until I do ctrl-C.  I tried to build it from source, but encountered
> a number of errors, and never could get a full build.
>
> in this case seems the arch are not the same.. please report the exact
> hardware you are in use, i remenber that in debian theres a new floavor ofr
> arm devices
>
>
>
>
>
> So, I found a build of Armbian (xenial) with a GUI that seems to work very
> well for this board.  Much better OS build.  I installed Gambas with ?sudo
> apt-get install gambas3?, and it installed Gambas 3.8 (ubuntu armhf).  When
> I launch it, I get ?segmentation fault?.  So, I installed all of the
> dependencies, and checked out version 3.9 from the SVN repository.  It
> seemed to compile without too many issues (just some warnings that didn?t
> seem like much).  When I launch that version I get ?illegal instruction?.
>
> this confirm that the arch are not same, a possible could be that you are
> in multiarch mode and try to run a different arch, take in consideration
> that now in debian we can mix different archs
>
>
>
>
>
> At this point I figured I would try compiling version 3.6 instead.  In
> this case, Make fails with ?main.cpp:31:21: fatal error QDateTime: No such
> file or directory. Compilation terminated?.
>
> this its a common qt4 vs qt5 dependency problem the qt installed are
> incomplete, you must revise packages and disable qt5 modules in gambas,
> install complete qt4 modules and then setupd with update-alternatives the
> qt environment correctly
>
>
>
>
>
> I?m really more of a hardware guy, and I?m trying to build an embedded
> device based on this module.  I?m a long time vb6/vb.net person, and
> would really like to get Gambas working so as to avoid working in C.
>
> its a common guindows problems, your cup are full of win32 knowlegde..
>
> seems the problem in your case its a very older arm class hardware,
>
> please can you report exact model in use for that?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
>
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>
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>
>
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>
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  1 14:36:44 2017
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 14:36:44 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Need help getting Gambas to run on an ARM module
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Le 01/12/2017 ? 14:11, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit?:
> 2017-11-30 20:57 GMT-04:00 Bruce Cunningham <bcunningham at sportif.com 
> <mailto:bcunningham at sportif.com>>:
> 
>     It?s like the Gambas binaries are broken?? I don?t know who
>     maintains the Gambas builds for the armhf architecture. 
> 
> for sure, as i search and noted yesterday, seems gambas binary does not 
> have been well tested in arm.. i mean the packages..
> 
> also noted try to compile by yourselft, i read in your previous mails:
> So, I installed all of the dependencies, and checked out version 3.9 
> from the SVN repository.? It seemed to compile without too many issues 
> (just some warnings that didn?t seem like much).? When I launch that 
> version I get ?illegal instruction?.
> compiles well but got a ilegal instruction, i think its a clear bug 
> inside gambas comilation, in some place the arch are not correctly 
> passed to the compiler.
> 
> in that case, please fill a gambas bug in gambas bugtracker, and later 
> then answer this mail here with detailed compilation environment and 
> complete log attached to see what happened ! (also attach the same 
> output in the bug report)
> 
> there's any other here that have some degree experience in arm building 
> gambas?
> 
I did that a long time ago to fix some bugs, but on emulation, so it was 
slow as hell. No difference with compiling on x86.

Do you get the "illegal instruction" trap or the "illegal instruction" 
Gambas interpreter error message?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From bagonergi at gmail.com  Fri Dec  1 15:21:30 2017
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 15:21:30 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] ShowModal Form: only center position
Message-ID: <CAJ2rqFb7soZNh-v5GY_7BfWqh-4K0-xHxB5dkErL1JY8LdY4Bw@mail.gmail.com>

Is it normal that if I open a modal window it only positions in the center
and this does not work?

Public Sub Form_Open()

  Me.Y = 50
  Me.X = 50

End

Regards
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Fri Dec  1 17:36:13 2017
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 17:36:13 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] ShowModal Form: only center position
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A good friend (Charlie Ogier) reminded me of using Form_Show instead of
Form_Open.
I thanked him a lot.

In Italy, in these cases, it is said to be "shots of youth" :-)

Regards
Gianluigi

2017-12-01 15:21 GMT+01:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:

> Is it normal that if I open a modal window it only positions in the center
> and this does not work?
>
> Public Sub Form_Open()
>
>   Me.Y = 50
>   Me.X = 50
>
> End
>
> Regards
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From bcunningham at sportif.com  Sat Dec  2 02:43:09 2017
From: bcunningham at sportif.com (Bruce Cunningham)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 01:43:09 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Need help getting Gambas to run on an ARM module
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Beno?t,

I got it installed.  I did a clean load of the OS image, and built Gambas 3.9.2 from source.  So, I don't know if something got updated in the tool chain since I tried it last time (about two weeks ago)?

One quick question.  How do I make a backup copy of Gambas so I don't have to compile it again if I need to re-load the OS image in the future?  It took most of the day to compile on this module!

Thanks for everyone's help!!!

Bruce

Bruce Cunningham
bcunningham at sportif.com


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Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 5:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [Gambas-user] Need help getting Gambas to run on an ARM module

Le 01/12/2017 ? 14:11, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit?:
> 2017-11-30 20:57 GMT-04:00 Bruce Cunningham <bcunningham at sportif.com
> <mailto:bcunningham at sportif.com>>:
> 
>     It?s like the Gambas binaries are broken?? I don?t know who
>     maintains the Gambas builds for the armhf architecture. 
> 
> for sure, as i search and noted yesterday, seems gambas binary does 
> not have been well tested in arm.. i mean the packages..
> 
> also noted try to compile by yourselft, i read in your previous mails:
> So, I installed all of the dependencies, and checked out version 3.9 
> from the SVN repository.? It seemed to compile without too many issues 
> (just some warnings that didn?t seem like much).? When I launch that 
> version I get ?illegal instruction?.
> compiles well but got a ilegal instruction, i think its a clear bug 
> inside gambas comilation, in some place the arch are not correctly 
> passed to the compiler.
> 
> in that case, please fill a gambas bug in gambas bugtracker, and later 
> then answer this mail here with detailed compilation environment and 
> complete log attached to see what happened ! (also attach the same 
> output in the bug report)
> 
> there's any other here that have some degree experience in arm 
> building gambas?
> 
I did that a long time ago to fix some bugs, but on emulation, so it was slow as hell. No difference with compiling on x86.

Do you get the "illegal instruction" trap or the "illegal instruction" 
Gambas interpreter error message?

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From bugtracker at gambaswiki.org  Sat Dec  2 10:52:18 2017
From: bugtracker at gambaswiki.org (bugtracker at gambaswiki.org)
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2017 09:52:18 GMT
Subject: [Gambas-user] [Gambas Bug Tracker] Bug #1217: Keyboard doesn't work
 on IDE editor with Linux Mint 18.3 Cinnamon
Message-ID: <BUG1217@gambaswiki.org>

http://gambaswiki.org/bugtracker/edit?object=BUG.1217&from=L21haW4-

Jorge CARRI?N reported a new bug.

Summary
-------

Keyboard doesn't work on IDE editor with Linux Mint 18.3 Cinnamon

Type             : Bug
Priority         : Medium
Gambas version   : Unknown
Product          : Unknown


Description
-----------

I don't know if this is a issue of my keyboard or gambas. I have a Cherry kc 1000 SC keyboard with a card's reader included. I've updated my system to Linux Mint 18.3 Sylvia and since then the editor of gambas doesn't work. 
It work on gambas IDE, I can search, I can write on project's properties, etc. But I can't write on editor. Only a few extrange characters like ^ and other accents are printed, but not regular characters.

I've tried with a virtual machine and it works well, so I guess is a device incompatibility.


System information
------------------

[System]
Gambas=3.10
OperatingSystem=Linux
Kernel=4.10.0-40-generic
Architecture=x86_64
Distribution=Linux Mint 18.3 Sylvia
Desktop=CINNAMON
Theme=Cleanlooks
Language=es_ES.UTF-8
Memory=15999M

[Libraries]
Cairo=libcairo.so.2.11400.6
Curl=libcurl.so.4.4.0
DBus=libdbus-1.so.3.14.6
GStreamer=libgstreamer-0.10.so.0.30.0
GStreamer=libgstreamer-1.0.so.0.803.0
GTK+2=libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.30
GTK+3=libgtk-3.so.0.1800.9
OpenGL=libGL.so.1.2.0
Poppler=libpoppler.so.58.0.0
QT4=libQtCore.so.4.8.7
QT5=libQt5Core.so.5.5.1
SDL=libSDL-1.2.so.0.11.4
SQLite=libsqlite3.so.0.8.6

[Environment]
CINNAMON_VERSION=3.6.6
DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-sSjTdRrDRs,guid=c865eb73c06b5112c45f3e5d5a22750c
DEFAULTS_PATH=/usr/share/gconf/cinnamon.default.path
DESKTOP_SESSION=cinnamon
DISPLAY=:0
GB_GUI=gb.qt4
GDMSESSION=cinnamon
GDM_LANG=es_ES
GIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE=<home>/.cinnamon/panel-launchers/cinnamon-custom-launcher-1.desktop
GIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE_PID=4335
GJS_DEBUG_OUTPUT=stderr
GJS_DEBUG_TOPICS=JS ERROR;JS LOG
GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID=this-is-deprecated
GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge
GTK_OVERLAY_SCROLLING=1
HOME=<home>
LANG=es_ES.UTF-8
LANGUAGE=es_ES
LOGNAME=<user>
MANDATORY_PATH=/usr/share/gconf/cinnamon.mandatory.path
PATH=<home>/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games
PWD=<home>
QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1
QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1
QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=qgnomeplatform
QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE=gtk
SESSION_MANAGER=local/<hostname>:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/1656,unix/<hostname>:/tmp/.ICE-unix/1656
SHELL=/bin/bash
SHLVL=1
SSH_AGENT_PID=1711
SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/run/user/1000/keyring/ssh
TZ=:/etc/localtime
USER=<user>
XAUTHORITY=<home>/.Xauthority
XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/etc/xdg/xdg-cinnamon:/etc/xdg
XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=X-Cinnamon
XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/cinnamon:/usr/share/gnome:<home>/.local/share/flatpak/exports/share:/var/lib/flatpak/exports/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share
XDG_GREETER_DATA_DIR=/var/lib/lightdm-data/<user>
XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000
XDG_SEAT=seat0
XDG_SEAT_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Seat0
XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=cinnamon
XDG_SESSION_ID=c2
XDG_SESSION_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Session0
XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11
XDG_VTNR=7
_=/usr/bin/gambas3



From bugtracker at gambaswiki.org  Sat Dec  2 11:27:42 2017
From: bugtracker at gambaswiki.org (bugtracker at gambaswiki.org)
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2017 10:27:42 GMT
Subject: [Gambas-user] [Gambas Bug Tracker] Bug #1217: Keyboard doesn't work
 on IDE editor with Linux Mint 18.3 Cinnamon
In-Reply-To: <BUG1217@gambaswiki.org>
References: <BUG1217@gambaswiki.org>
Message-ID: <BUG1217:20171202112741414@gambaswiki.org>

http://gambaswiki.org/bugtracker/edit?object=BUG.1217&from=L21haW4-

Jorge CARRI?N changed the state of the bug to: Rejected.




From bugtracker at gambaswiki.org  Sat Dec  2 11:31:51 2017
From: bugtracker at gambaswiki.org (bugtracker at gambaswiki.org)
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2017 10:31:51 GMT
Subject: [Gambas-user] [Gambas Bug Tracker] Bug #1217: Keyboard doesn't work
 on IDE editor with Linux Mint 18.3 Cinnamon
In-Reply-To: <BUG1217@gambaswiki.org>
References: <BUG1217@gambaswiki.org>
Message-ID: <BUG1217:20171202113150706@gambaswiki.org>

http://gambaswiki.org/bugtracker/edit?object=BUG.1217&from=L21haW4-

Comment #1 by Jorge CARRI?N:

I've tried with a new user with new config files (.config, .cinnamon, .linuxmint, .gconf etc. etc.) and now it works find. I can't figure out what configuration file produces gambas editor strange behaviour, but it's clear that is a configuration issue.

Sorry about the noise.

Best Regards



From Karl.Reinl at Fen-Net.de  Sat Dec  2 12:36:19 2017
From: Karl.Reinl at Fen-Net.de (Charlie Reinl)
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2017 12:36:19 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] linked project-files
Message-ID: <1512214579.3984.19.camel@Scenic.local>

Salut Beno?t,

I work a lot with linked project-files in my projects, and often I want
to add or change something, but with linked files that's not possible,
they are read only.
So I had a look to the code of the IDE. With the Stat(file).Type=gb.link
the read only flag is set. Changing the path from the save procedure
(path is always <project>/src/file) with the Stat(file).Link path, fails
because the gambas3 commands can't use relative path nominations. So the
solution to make Linked Files saveable will be to change the relative
path from Stat(file).Link to a full path, that can be done with readlink
or realpath.I checked that and have now a IDE with r/w to linked files.
And that works well.
But perhaps there are other reasons why Links are read-only, are there ?


-- 
Amicalement
Charlie


From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Sat Dec  2 15:36:42 2017
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 15:36:42 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] linked project-files
In-Reply-To: <1512214579.3984.19.camel@Scenic.local>
References: <1512214579.3984.19.camel@Scenic.local>
Message-ID: <19673463-344b-b05c-27d0-fcbc4106add4@gmail.com>

Le 02/12/2017 ? 12:36, Charlie Reinl a ?crit?:
> Salut Beno?t,
> 
> I work a lot with linked project-files in my projects, and often I want
> to add or change something, but with linked files that's not possible,
> they are read only.
> So I had a look to the code of the IDE. With the Stat(file).Type=gb.link
> the read only flag is set. Changing the path from the save procedure
> (path is always <project>/src/file) with the Stat(file).Link path, fails
> because the gambas3 commands can't use relative path nominations. So the
> solution to make Linked Files saveable will be to change the relative
> path from Stat(file).Link to a full path, that can be done with readlink
> or realpath.I checked that and have now a IDE with r/w to linked files.
> And that works well.
> But perhaps there are other reasons why Links are read-only, are there ?
> 
> 

Yes. These source files must be opened by the project owning them, not 
the projects using them as links.

You remind me that I had to make a menu option to open the project of a 
linked file in a new window.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From Karl.Reinl at Fen-Net.de  Sat Dec  2 19:04:53 2017
From: Karl.Reinl at Fen-Net.de (Charlie Reinl)
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2017 19:04:53 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] linked project-files
In-Reply-To: <19673463-344b-b05c-27d0-fcbc4106add4@gmail.com>
References: <1512214579.3984.19.camel@Scenic.local>
 <19673463-344b-b05c-27d0-fcbc4106add4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1512237893.3984.26.camel@Scenic.local>

Am Samstag, den 02.12.2017, 15:36 +0100 schrieb Beno?t Minisini:
> Le 02/12/2017 ? 12:36, Charlie Reinl a ?crit :
> > Salut Beno?t,
> > 
> > I work a lot with linked project-files in my projects, and often I want
> > to add or change something, but with linked files that's not possible,
> > they are read only.
> > So I had a look to the code of the IDE. With the Stat(file).Type=gb.link
> > the read only flag is set. Changing the path from the save procedure
> > (path is always <project>/src/file) with the Stat(file).Link path, fails
> > because the gambas3 commands can't use relative path nominations. So the
> > solution to make Linked Files saveable will be to change the relative
> > path from Stat(file).Link to a full path, that can be done with readlink
> > or realpath.I checked that and have now a IDE with r/w to linked files.
> > And that works well.
> > But perhaps there are other reasons why Links are read-only, are there ?
> > 
> > 
> 
> Yes. These source files must be opened by the project owning them, not 
> the projects using them as links.

Ok, but why MUST. For me, most of these files are not in a, better, no
more in a project, I call that my common Function pool, which provide me
common gambas3 routines etc.
If absolutely MUST, can you imagine one special directory where files
are stored (also in subdirectories), which are used like huge snippets,
but linked in r/w mode to the project?
> You remind me that I had to make a menu option to open the project of a 
> linked file in a new window.





From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Sat Dec  2 23:06:15 2017
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 23:06:15 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] linked project-files
In-Reply-To: <1512237893.3984.26.camel@Scenic.local>
References: <1512214579.3984.19.camel@Scenic.local>
 <19673463-344b-b05c-27d0-fcbc4106add4@gmail.com>
 <1512237893.3984.26.camel@Scenic.local>
Message-ID: <f393c42b-a763-561b-34a2-be5e2ed419d1@gmail.com>

Le 02/12/2017 ? 19:04, Charlie Reinl a ?crit?:
>> Yes. These source files must be opened by the project owning them, not
>> the projects using them as links.
> 
> Ok, but why MUST. For me, most of these files are not in a, better, no
> more in a project, I call that my common Function pool, which provide me
> common gambas3 routines etc.

For exactly that reason: the IDE cannot read your mind and know what 
exactly these files are for you. So these files must be edited from the 
project they belong to. It is far more sure.

With the menu for opening the linked file in its project, you are just 
one click from editing the file.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From bugtracker at gambaswiki.org  Sun Dec  3 00:20:44 2017
From: bugtracker at gambaswiki.org (bugtracker at gambaswiki.org)
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2017 23:20:44 GMT
Subject: [Gambas-user] [Gambas Bug Tracker] Bug #1216: umask ignored by
 gambas while Mkdir command used
In-Reply-To: <BUG1216@gambaswiki.org>
References: <BUG1216@gambaswiki.org>
Message-ID: <BUG1216:20171203002043647@gambaswiki.org>

http://gambaswiki.org/bugtracker/edit?object=BUG.1216&from=L21haW4-

Comment #2 by Damien COTTIER:

You mean that gambas behavior for Mkdir command is different that mkdir command in the Linux shell.

The idea is to used shared directories between gambas application through different user but same group.

the administrator have deployed profile environment to set umask for all user to share acces on the same "group" id.
i do not think it will be a proper implementation to get env variable in our gambas program to use Chmod after Mkdir command. What would be such program if Mkdir is done somewhere in a Eval expression. How this will work when i call an external component creating a directory.

Is there any technical issue for gambas to get umask env variable directly when Mkdir command is called?

Damien.



From bugtracker at gambaswiki.org  Sun Dec  3 00:33:24 2017
From: bugtracker at gambaswiki.org (bugtracker at gambaswiki.org)
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2017 23:33:24 GMT
Subject: [Gambas-user] [Gambas Bug Tracker] Bug #1216: umask ignored by
 gambas while Mkdir command used
In-Reply-To: <BUG1216@gambaswiki.org>
References: <BUG1216@gambaswiki.org>
Message-ID: <BUG1216:20171203003324063@gambaswiki.org>

http://gambaswiki.org/bugtracker/edit?object=BUG.1216&from=L21haW4-

Comment #3 by Damien COTTIER:

((0755 & ~UMASK) | (~UMASK)) seems to do the stuff.



From bugtracker at gambaswiki.org  Sun Dec  3 00:55:10 2017
From: bugtracker at gambaswiki.org (bugtracker at gambaswiki.org)
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2017 23:55:10 GMT
Subject: [Gambas-user] [Gambas Bug Tracker] Bug #1216: umask ignored by
 gambas while Mkdir command used
In-Reply-To: <BUG1216@gambaswiki.org>
References: <BUG1216@gambaswiki.org>
Message-ID: <BUG1216:20171203005509414@gambaswiki.org>

http://gambaswiki.org/bugtracker/edit?object=BUG.1216&from=L21haW4-

Comment #4 by Beno?t MINISINI:

AFAIK, and according to the Linux manual, this is the standard behaviour of mkdir(). I do nothing special there, I just call the mkdir() system call.

The documentation of the 'mkdir' shell command says nothing about default permissions.

Where did you see that an UMASK environmental variable should give the default permissions of a newly created directory?



From bugtracker at gambaswiki.org  Sun Dec  3 01:49:56 2017
From: bugtracker at gambaswiki.org (bugtracker at gambaswiki.org)
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 00:49:56 GMT
Subject: [Gambas-user] [Gambas Bug Tracker] Bug #1216: umask ignored by
 gambas while Mkdir command used
In-Reply-To: <BUG1216@gambaswiki.org>
References: <BUG1216@gambaswiki.org>
Message-ID: <BUG1216:20171203014956146@gambaswiki.org>

http://gambaswiki.org/bugtracker/edit?object=BUG.1216&from=L21haW4-

Comment #5 by Damien COTTIER:

You're right, this is the behavior of mkdir command call in shell bash interpreter.
My understanding is that umask is a process attribute, normally propagated to the child.

I suppose if i have a UMASK environment variable, bash will fork child process with such umask attribute.
That the reason that /bin/mkdir command executed from a bash with UMASK environment variable set the attribute properly.

taken for man bash
=================================

COMMAND EXECUTION ENVIRONMENT
       The shell has an execution environment, which consists of  the  follow?
       ing:

       ?      open  files inherited by the shell at invocation, as modified by
              redirections supplied to the exec builtin

       ?      the current working directory as set by cd, pushd, or  popd,  or
              inherited by the shell at invocation

       ?      the  file  creation  mode mask as set by umask or inherited from
              the shell's parent

=================================


umask is a process attribute
that can be changed by the following api
    mode_t umask(mode_t mask);

do you use this api while the gambas interpreter process is started.
I suppose that if the shell (ex bash) is forking gambas interpreter
it would inherit the umask attribute of his parent


taken from http://www.tutorialspoint.com/unix_system_calls/mkdir.htm
mkdir system call is doing: (mode & ~umask & 0777) where umask is taken from the process

==================================
DESCRIPTION

mkdir() attempts to create a directory named pathname.

The parameter mode specifies the permissions to use. It is modified by the process?s umask in the usual way: the permissions of the created directory are (mode & ~umask & 0777). Other mode bits of the created directory depend on the operating system. For Linux, see below.

The newly created directory will be owned by the effective user ID of the process. If the directory containing the file has the set-group-ID bit set, or if the filesystem is mounted with BSD group semantics, the new directory will inherit the group ownership from its parent; otherwise it will be owned by the effective group ID of the process.

If the parent directory has the set-group-ID bit set then so will the newly created directory.

.... below:

NOTES
Under Linux apart from the permission bits, only the S_ISVTX mode bit is honored. That is, under Linux the created directory actually gets mode (mode & ~umask & 01777). See also stat(2).

There are many infelicities in the protocol underlying NFS. Some of these affect mkdir(). 

==================================

Indeed you're right, even if umask is properly passed to gambas interpreter meaning 0002 in our case,
the mkdir system call requiere a mode and that mode is set in gambas to 0x755
allowing us to be more restrictive by umask but not more permissive due to (mode & ~umask & 01777) done in Linux.


However this pb should also occur with bash and /bin/mkdir program... then i checked and found that:

http://www.linfo.org/mkdir.html
==================================
New directories are by default created with the read, write and execute (i.e., run as a program if a program) permissions enabled for the owner (i.e., the creator of the directory by default) and group and the read and execute permissions enabled for other users.
==================================

The /sbin/mkdir command seem to use 0775 by default and not 0755.



From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Sun Dec  3 02:13:01 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 21:13:01 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Need help getting Gambas to run on an ARM module
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR01MB32568F68357B4B868591E31DA03E0@CY4PR01MB3256.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <CY4PR01MB32562CC767B5D47681D041F2A0380@CY4PR01MB3256.prod.exchangelabs.com>
 <CALci+FTQfd4ntCWPfLqqcgjSuWfBX1Ymu++zTfbx_qF5810JXQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CY4PR01MB32569F2ECF08014CFC77D4D0A0380@CY4PR01MB3256.prod.exchangelabs.com>
 <CALci+FQGVG0fKtth+sbQwNkGJQk6ZZhO0_k+APnQk92LU+DCrQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CY4PR01MB325660F78ACC0A596DF606A1A0390@CY4PR01MB3256.prod.exchangelabs.com>
 <CALci+FR8MhRjphi1wjxKMTqEDtRs+Z95VLWvQLZ6KeE2ZHcR8A@mail.gmail.com>
 <3a2e8686-cf8b-6eda-d762-ec594a99ec3b@gmail.com>
 <CY4PR01MB32568F68357B4B868591E31DA03E0@CY4PR01MB3256.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <CALci+FQKS6-qL1E81iN+xJDVmeU4cCCkqkKjWEHfuagibqjg5Q@mail.gmail.com>

the make install you must specify a target destination directory, the that
directory tarring and that's all

the right way its make your own packages

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2017-12-01 21:43 GMT-04:00 Bruce Cunningham <bcunningham at sportif.com>:

> Beno?t,
>
> I got it installed.  I did a clean load of the OS image, and built Gambas
> 3.9.2 from source.  So, I don't know if something got updated in the tool
> chain since I tried it last time (about two weeks ago)?
>
> One quick question.  How do I make a backup copy of Gambas so I don't have
> to compile it again if I need to re-load the OS image in the future?  It
> took most of the day to compile on this module!
>
> Thanks for everyone's help!!!
>
> Bruce
>
> Bruce Cunningham
> bcunningham at sportif.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: User [mailto:user-bounces at lists.gambas-basic.org] On Behalf Of
> Beno?t Minisini
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 5:37 AM
> To: Gambas Mailing List; PICCORO McKAY Lenz
> Subject: Re: [Gambas-user] Need help getting Gambas to run on an ARM module
>
> Le 01/12/2017 ? 14:11, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit :
> > 2017-11-30 20:57 GMT-04:00 Bruce Cunningham <bcunningham at sportif.com
> > <mailto:bcunningham at sportif.com>>:
> >
> >     It?s like the Gambas binaries are broken?  I don?t know who
> >     maintains the Gambas builds for the armhf architecture.
> >
> > for sure, as i search and noted yesterday, seems gambas binary does
> > not have been well tested in arm.. i mean the packages..
> >
> > also noted try to compile by yourselft, i read in your previous mails:
> > So, I installed all of the dependencies, and checked out version 3.9
> > from the SVN repository.  It seemed to compile without too many issues
> > (just some warnings that didn?t seem like much).  When I launch that
> > version I get ?illegal instruction?.
> > compiles well but got a ilegal instruction, i think its a clear bug
> > inside gambas comilation, in some place the arch are not correctly
> > passed to the compiler.
> >
> > in that case, please fill a gambas bug in gambas bugtracker, and later
> > then answer this mail here with detailed compilation environment and
> > complete log attached to see what happened ! (also attach the same
> > output in the bug report)
> >
> > there's any other here that have some degree experience in arm
> > building gambas?
> >
> I did that a long time ago to fix some bugs, but on emulation, so it was
> slow as hell. No difference with compiling on x86.
>
> Do you get the "illegal instruction" trap or the "illegal instruction"
> Gambas interpreter error message?
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
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From chrisml at deganius.de  Sun Dec  3 08:29:22 2017
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 08:29:22 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] linked project-files
In-Reply-To: <1512237893.3984.26.camel@Scenic.local>
References: <1512214579.3984.19.camel@Scenic.local>
 <19673463-344b-b05c-27d0-fcbc4106add4@gmail.com>
 <1512237893.3984.26.camel@Scenic.local>
Message-ID: <30400613-a3b2-1011-fa96-6b77f6dc82be@deganius.de>

Am 02.12.2017 um 19:04 schrieb Charlie Reinl:

> Ok, but why MUST. For me, most of these files are not in a, better, no
> more in a project, I call that my common Function pool, which provide me
> common gambas3 routines etc.

For that (common function pool) the much cleaner and more reliable
solution would be to define them as libraries. Because then they have
their path where the interpreter automatically finds them.

It is also better if you package your Gambas project(s) and give it away.

I also stumbled over that (linked files are r/o), but only when I wanted
to debug step by step classes that reside in components or libs and I
wanted to link these files in my project where I was debugging.

So in that seldom cases I copy them into the project I am debugging and
if done, move them back afterwards.


Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Sun Dec  3 16:38:42 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 11:38:42 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] linked project-files
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the problem with libraries, they must be in specific path, no one of the
finding methods include a relative path search

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2017-12-03 3:29 GMT-04:00 Christof Thalhofer <chrisml at deganius.de>:

> Am 02.12.2017 um 19:04 schrieb Charlie Reinl:
>
> > Ok, but why MUST. For me, most of these files are not in a, better, no
> > more in a project, I call that my common Function pool, which provide me
> > common gambas3 routines etc.
>
> For that (common function pool) the much cleaner and more reliable
> solution would be to define them as libraries. Because then they have
> their path where the interpreter automatically finds them.
>
> It is also better if you package your Gambas project(s) and give it away.
>
> I also stumbled over that (linked files are r/o), but only when I wanted
> to debug step by step classes that reside in components or libs and I
> wanted to link these files in my project where I was debugging.
>
> So in that seldom cases I copy them into the project I am debugging and
> if done, move them back afterwards.
>
>
> Alles Gute
>
> Christof Thalhofer
>
> --
> Dies ist keine Signatur
>
>
>
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From chrisml at deganius.de  Sun Dec  3 17:28:51 2017
From: chrisml at deganius.de (Christof Thalhofer)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:28:51 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] linked project-files
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Am 03.12.2017 um 16:38 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz:
> the problem with libraries, they must be in specific path, no one of the
> finding methods include a relative path search

Why should this be a problem?

If I write a project which uses a library, the interpreter knows where
to look for it. Either in

~/.local/share/gambas3/lib/$vendor

or in

/usr/lib/gambas3/$vendor

And that's all. If I deploy a project and libraries to other systems I
am always sure that the libs will be found by the interpreter. There are
also namespaces due to the use of $vendor.

Search in relative paths would instead decrease stability as I cannot be
really sure what is in ../../anylibpath (for example) if my project runs
on another computer.


Alles Gute

Christof Thalhofer

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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Sun Dec  3 17:33:33 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 12:33:33 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] linked project-files
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its a problem due if this implis that the destination must be root to
install.. boviously.. and users only wnat to use from it place

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2017-12-03 12:28 GMT-04:00 Christof Thalhofer <chrisml at deganius.de>:

> Am 03.12.2017 um 16:38 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz:
> > the problem with libraries, they must be in specific path, no one of the
> > finding methods include a relative path search
>
> Why should this be a problem?
>
> If I write a project which uses a library, the interpreter knows where
> to look for it. Either in
>
> ~/.local/share/gambas3/lib/$vendor
>
> or in
>
> /usr/lib/gambas3/$vendor
>
> And that's all. If I deploy a project and libraries to other systems I
> am always sure that the libs will be found by the interpreter. There are
> also namespaces due to the use of $vendor.
>
> Search in relative paths would instead decrease stability as I cannot be
> really sure what is in ../../anylibpath (for example) if my project runs
> on another computer.
>
>
> Alles Gute
>
> Christof Thalhofer
>
> --
> Dies ist keine Signatur
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
>
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From criguada at gmail.com  Sun Dec  3 17:50:14 2017
From: criguada at gmail.com (Cristiano Guadagnino)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:50:14 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] linked project-files
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Hi PICCORO,
this does not imply the use of root to install.

As Christof said, libraries can reside either in

~/.local/share/gambas3/lib/$vendor

or in

/usr/lib/gambas3/$vendor


The first case is when you install the library as simple user. The second
one is when you install the library as root (and in this case the
installation is system-wide).

Regards
Cris


On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 5:33 PM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>
wrote:

> its a problem due if this implis that the destination must be root to
> install.. boviously.. and users only wnat to use from it place
>
> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>
> 2017-12-03 12:28 GMT-04:00 Christof Thalhofer <chrisml at deganius.de>:
>
>> Am 03.12.2017 um 16:38 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz:
>> > the problem with libraries, they must be in specific path, no one of the
>> > finding methods include a relative path search
>>
>> Why should this be a problem?
>>
>> If I write a project which uses a library, the interpreter knows where
>> to look for it. Either in
>>
>> ~/.local/share/gambas3/lib/$vendor
>>
>> or in
>>
>> /usr/lib/gambas3/$vendor
>>
>> And that's all. If I deploy a project and libraries to other systems I
>> am always sure that the libs will be found by the interpreter. There are
>> also namespaces due to the use of $vendor.
>>
>> Search in relative paths would instead decrease stability as I cannot be
>> really sure what is in ../../anylibpath (for example) if my project runs
>> on another computer.
>>
>>
>> Alles Gute
>>
>> Christof Thalhofer
>>
>> --
>> Dies ist keine Signatur
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>>
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>> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
>>
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>>
>>
>
>
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Sun Dec  3 18:00:57 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 13:00:57 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] linked project-files
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the installation for ~/.local/ are not available for others! !!!!

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2017-12-03 12:50 GMT-04:00 Cristiano Guadagnino <criguada at gmail.com>:

> Hi PICCORO,
> this does not imply the use of root to install.
>
> As Christof said, libraries can reside either in
>
> ~/.local/share/gambas3/lib/$vendor
>
> or in
>
> /usr/lib/gambas3/$vendor
>
>
> The first case is when you install the library as simple user. The second
> one is when you install the library as root (and in this case the
> installation is system-wide).
>
> Regards
> Cris
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 5:33 PM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> its a problem due if this implis that the destination must be root to
>> install.. boviously.. and users only wnat to use from it place
>>
>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>
>> 2017-12-03 12:28 GMT-04:00 Christof Thalhofer <chrisml at deganius.de>:
>>
>>> Am 03.12.2017 um 16:38 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz:
>>> > the problem with libraries, they must be in specific path, no one of
>>> the
>>> > finding methods include a relative path search
>>>
>>> Why should this be a problem?
>>>
>>> If I write a project which uses a library, the interpreter knows where
>>> to look for it. Either in
>>>
>>> ~/.local/share/gambas3/lib/$vendor
>>>
>>> or in
>>>
>>> /usr/lib/gambas3/$vendor
>>>
>>> And that's all. If I deploy a project and libraries to other systems I
>>> am always sure that the libs will be found by the interpreter. There are
>>> also namespaces due to the use of $vendor.
>>>
>>> Search in relative paths would instead decrease stability as I cannot be
>>> really sure what is in ../../anylibpath (for example) if my project runs
>>> on another computer.
>>>
>>>
>>> Alles Gute
>>>
>>> Christof Thalhofer
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dies ist keine Signatur
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> This is the Gambas Mailing List
>>> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
>>>
>>> Hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>
>
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From criguada at gmail.com  Sun Dec  3 18:04:52 2017
From: criguada at gmail.com (Cristiano Guadagnino)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:04:52 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] linked project-files
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PICCORO, is seems to me you're a bit confused.

You EITHER want it to be system-wide, so it is usable from others, and then
you MUST install it as root, OR you want to be able to install as non-root,
and then your installation will be available ONLY to yourself.

There's no way around this, AFAIK.

Cris


On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 6:00 PM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>
wrote:

> the installation for ~/.local/ are not available for others! !!!!
>
> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>
> 2017-12-03 12:50 GMT-04:00 Cristiano Guadagnino <criguada at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi PICCORO,
>> this does not imply the use of root to install.
>>
>> As Christof said, libraries can reside either in
>>
>> ~/.local/share/gambas3/lib/$vendor
>>
>> or in
>>
>> /usr/lib/gambas3/$vendor
>>
>>
>> The first case is when you install the library as simple user. The second
>> one is when you install the library as root (and in this case the
>> installation is system-wide).
>>
>> Regards
>> Cris
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 5:33 PM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> its a problem due if this implis that the destination must be root to
>>> install.. boviously.. and users only wnat to use from it place
>>>
>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> 2017-12-03 12:28 GMT-04:00 Christof Thalhofer <chrisml at deganius.de>:
>>>
>>>> Am 03.12.2017 um 16:38 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz:
>>>> > the problem with libraries, they must be in specific path, no one of
>>>> the
>>>> > finding methods include a relative path search
>>>>
>>>> Why should this be a problem?
>>>>
>>>> If I write a project which uses a library, the interpreter knows where
>>>> to look for it. Either in
>>>>
>>>> ~/.local/share/gambas3/lib/$vendor
>>>>
>>>> or in
>>>>
>>>> /usr/lib/gambas3/$vendor
>>>>
>>>> And that's all. If I deploy a project and libraries to other systems I
>>>> am always sure that the libs will be found by the interpreter. There are
>>>> also namespaces due to the use of $vendor.
>>>>
>>>> Search in relative paths would instead decrease stability as I cannot be
>>>> really sure what is in ../../anylibpath (for example) if my project runs
>>>> on another computer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alles Gute
>>>>
>>>> Christof Thalhofer
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dies ist keine Signatur
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> This is the Gambas Mailing List
>>>> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
>>>>
>>>> Hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Sun Dec  3 18:17:46 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 13:17:46 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] linked project-files
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cristiano, your eyes are blind.. by able to search library on current path,
gambas programs can run in portable mode..

the objetive are no need of installation by user, no need of knowleged,
only just a single click and run.. all the needed files will be in current
path

so in development mode also many users can just load the project and
continue coding without special or xtra steps..
this its the most frustrating part, in userA project are in their local
path, when i just load their proyect in muy home, says that library X are
not available in the /home/userA/.local etc etc

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2017-12-03 13:04 GMT-04:00 Cristiano Guadagnino <criguada at gmail.com>:

> PICCORO, is seems to me you're a bit confused.
>
> You EITHER want it to be system-wide, so it is usable from others, and
> then you MUST install it as root, OR you want to be able to install as
> non-root, and then your installation will be available ONLY to yourself.
>
> There's no way around this, AFAIK.
>
> Cris
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 6:00 PM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> the installation for ~/.local/ are not available for others! !!!!
>>
>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>
>> 2017-12-03 12:50 GMT-04:00 Cristiano Guadagnino <criguada at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hi PICCORO,
>>> this does not imply the use of root to install.
>>>
>>> As Christof said, libraries can reside either in
>>>
>>> ~/.local/share/gambas3/lib/$vendor
>>>
>>> or in
>>>
>>> /usr/lib/gambas3/$vendor
>>>
>>>
>>> The first case is when you install the library as simple user. The
>>> second one is when you install the library as root (and in this case the
>>> installation is system-wide).
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Cris
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 5:33 PM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> its a problem due if this implis that the destination must be root to
>>>> install.. boviously.. and users only wnat to use from it place
>>>>
>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>
>>>> 2017-12-03 12:28 GMT-04:00 Christof Thalhofer <chrisml at deganius.de>:
>>>>
>>>>> Am 03.12.2017 um 16:38 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz:
>>>>> > the problem with libraries, they must be in specific path, no one of
>>>>> the
>>>>> > finding methods include a relative path search
>>>>>
>>>>> Why should this be a problem?
>>>>>
>>>>> If I write a project which uses a library, the interpreter knows where
>>>>> to look for it. Either in
>>>>>
>>>>> ~/.local/share/gambas3/lib/$vendor
>>>>>
>>>>> or in
>>>>>
>>>>> /usr/lib/gambas3/$vendor
>>>>>
>>>>> And that's all. If I deploy a project and libraries to other systems I
>>>>> am always sure that the libs will be found by the interpreter. There
>>>>> are
>>>>> also namespaces due to the use of $vendor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Search in relative paths would instead decrease stability as I cannot
>>>>> be
>>>>> really sure what is in ../../anylibpath (for example) if my project
>>>>> runs
>>>>> on another computer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alles Gute
>>>>>
>>>>> Christof Thalhofer
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Dies ist keine Signatur
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From criguada at gmail.com  Sun Dec  3 18:48:35 2017
From: criguada at gmail.com (Cristiano Guadagnino)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:48:35 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] linked project-files
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Hi PICCORO

On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 6:17 PM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>
wrote:

> cristiano, your eyes are blind.. by able to search library on current
> path, gambas programs can run in portable mode..
> the objetive are no need of installation by user, no need of knowleged,
> only just a single click and run.. all the needed files will be in current
> path
>

This is the Windows way of doing things and I don't like or support it at
all, but if you want it you're free to try.


> so in development mode also many users can just load the project and
> continue coding without special or xtra steps..
> this its the most frustrating part, in userA project are in their local
> path, when i just load their proyect in muy home, says that library X are
> not available in the /home/userA/.local etc etc
>

That's exactly why libraries should be in predictable system-wide paths.
Typically, when you want to develop something in Linux you need to install
a -devel package and you do it as root.
I wouldn't advocate the usage of code produced from someone who doesn't
want to learn such basic things.

Cris
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Sun Dec  3 19:42:16 2017
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 20:42:16 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] linked project-files
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Cristiano is absolutely right. These are things that makes Unix/Linux
great, clean and manageable. You can also create user group and shared
folder within the group, but in most cases that is not the way to go.


Jussi

On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 7:17 PM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>
wrote:

> cristiano, your eyes are blind.. by able to search library on current
> path, gambas programs can run in portable mode..
>
> the objetive are no need of installation by user, no need of knowleged,
> only just a single click and run.. all the needed files will be in current
> path
>
> so in development mode also many users can just load the project and
> continue coding without special or xtra steps..
> this its the most frustrating part, in userA project are in their local
> path, when i just load their proyect in muy home, says that library X are
> not available in the /home/userA/.local etc etc
>
> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>
> 2017-12-03 13:04 GMT-04:00 Cristiano Guadagnino <criguada at gmail.com>:
>
>> PICCORO, is seems to me you're a bit confused.
>>
>> You EITHER want it to be system-wide, so it is usable from others, and
>> then you MUST install it as root, OR you want to be able to install as
>> non-root, and then your installation will be available ONLY to yourself.
>>
>> There's no way around this, AFAIK.
>>
>> Cris
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 6:00 PM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> the installation for ~/.local/ are not available for others! !!!!
>>>
>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> 2017-12-03 12:50 GMT-04:00 Cristiano Guadagnino <criguada at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Hi PICCORO,
>>>> this does not imply the use of root to install.
>>>>
>>>> As Christof said, libraries can reside either in
>>>>
>>>> ~/.local/share/gambas3/lib/$vendor
>>>>
>>>> or in
>>>>
>>>> /usr/lib/gambas3/$vendor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The first case is when you install the library as simple user. The
>>>> second one is when you install the library as root (and in this case the
>>>> installation is system-wide).
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Cris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 5:33 PM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> its a problem due if this implis that the destination must be root to
>>>>> install.. boviously.. and users only wnat to use from it place
>>>>>
>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-12-03 12:28 GMT-04:00 Christof Thalhofer <chrisml at deganius.de>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 03.12.2017 um 16:38 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz:
>>>>>> > the problem with libraries, they must be in specific path, no one
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> > finding methods include a relative path search
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why should this be a problem?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I write a project which uses a library, the interpreter knows where
>>>>>> to look for it. Either in
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~/.local/share/gambas3/lib/$vendor
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or in
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /usr/lib/gambas3/$vendor
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And that's all. If I deploy a project and libraries to other systems I
>>>>>> am always sure that the libs will be found by the interpreter. There
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> also namespaces due to the use of $vendor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Search in relative paths would instead decrease stability as I cannot
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> really sure what is in ../../anylibpath (for example) if my project
>>>>>> runs
>>>>>> on another computer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alles Gute
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Christof Thalhofer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Dies ist keine Signatur
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the Gambas Mailing List
>>>>>> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
>>>>>
>>>>> Hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> Hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>
>
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Mon Dec  4 00:45:17 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 19:45:17 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] linked project-files
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umm crist ad jussi both have right, its a guindows way but its very
painfull wait for it permissin to develop a piece of code..

a shared path may be a realatable solution but.. still depends of some
ajustment in the target os..

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2017-12-03 14:42 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:

> Cristiano is absolutely right. These are things that makes Unix/Linux
> great, clean and manageable. You can also create user group and shared
> folder within the group, but in most cases that is not the way to go.
>
>
> Jussi
>
> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 7:17 PM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> cristiano, your eyes are blind.. by able to search library on current
>> path, gambas programs can run in portable mode..
>>
>> the objetive are no need of installation by user, no need of knowleged,
>> only just a single click and run.. all the needed files will be in current
>> path
>>
>> so in development mode also many users can just load the project and
>> continue coding without special or xtra steps..
>> this its the most frustrating part, in userA project are in their local
>> path, when i just load their proyect in muy home, says that library X are
>> not available in the /home/userA/.local etc etc
>>
>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>
>> 2017-12-03 13:04 GMT-04:00 Cristiano Guadagnino <criguada at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> PICCORO, is seems to me you're a bit confused.
>>>
>>> You EITHER want it to be system-wide, so it is usable from others, and
>>> then you MUST install it as root, OR you want to be able to install as
>>> non-root, and then your installation will be available ONLY to yourself.
>>>
>>> There's no way around this, AFAIK.
>>>
>>> Cris
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 6:00 PM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> the installation for ~/.local/ are not available for others! !!!!
>>>>
>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>
>>>> 2017-12-03 12:50 GMT-04:00 Cristiano Guadagnino <criguada at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi PICCORO,
>>>>> this does not imply the use of root to install.
>>>>>
>>>>> As Christof said, libraries can reside either in
>>>>>
>>>>> ~/.local/share/gambas3/lib/$vendor
>>>>>
>>>>> or in
>>>>>
>>>>> /usr/lib/gambas3/$vendor
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The first case is when you install the library as simple user. The
>>>>> second one is when you install the library as root (and in this case the
>>>>> installation is system-wide).
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Cris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 5:33 PM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> its a problem due if this implis that the destination must be root to
>>>>>> install.. boviously.. and users only wnat to use from it place
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-12-03 12:28 GMT-04:00 Christof Thalhofer <chrisml at deganius.de>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 03.12.2017 um 16:38 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz:
>>>>>>> > the problem with libraries, they must be in specific path, no one
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> > finding methods include a relative path search
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why should this be a problem?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I write a project which uses a library, the interpreter knows
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> to look for it. Either in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~/.local/share/gambas3/lib/$vendor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> or in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /usr/lib/gambas3/$vendor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And that's all. If I deploy a project and libraries to other systems
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> am always sure that the libs will be found by the interpreter. There
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> also namespaces due to the use of $vendor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Search in relative paths would instead decrease stability as I
>>>>>>> cannot be
>>>>>>> really sure what is in ../../anylibpath (for example) if my project
>>>>>>> runs
>>>>>>> on another computer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alles Gute
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Christof Thalhofer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Dies ist keine Signatur
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is the Gambas Mailing List
>>>>>>> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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From mb at code-it.com  Fri Dec  8 13:24:37 2017
From: mb at code-it.com (mikeB)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 05:24:37 -0700
Subject: [Gambas-user] hardware requirments?
Message-ID: <f467b72c-f137-8c68-c77b-05248280fc95@code-it.com>

Had someone ask me and I don't know, so I'm sure someone on this list 
does;-) What are the hardware requirements for Gambas 3.10 to be 
installed? My friend says that he can install on newer type but
not older type systems?

Thank for any info or reference you may have,
mikeB

From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Fri Dec  8 14:27:51 2017
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 15:27:51 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] hardware requirments?
In-Reply-To: <f467b72c-f137-8c68-c77b-05248280fc95@code-it.com>
References: <f467b72c-f137-8c68-c77b-05248280fc95@code-it.com>
Message-ID: <CAFJMe7SoGud_hKLPVzeLec8=uPm2Dj-dQ_d5ma-umLZfWQ620w@mail.gmail.com>

He can't install Gambas, because of lack of disk space? Or he can't run
Gambas, because of not enough memory (IDE with small project seem to take
~50MB [shouldn't be problem!])?
Maybe instead he is having problems with the dependencies, maybe older
version of some distro do not have needed libraries?

I don't think this is hardware issue.


Jussi

On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 2:24 PM, mikeB <mb at code-it.com> wrote:

> Had someone ask me and I don't know, so I'm sure someone on this list
> does;-) What are the hardware requirements for Gambas 3.10 to be installed?
> My friend says that he can install on newer type but
> not older type systems?
>
> Thank for any info or reference you may have,
> mikeB
>
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  8 14:36:00 2017
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 14:36:00 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] hardware requirments?
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Message-ID: <f2296fbf-1cc0-42bb-456f-5bbbe7a78b80@gmail.com>

Le 08/12/2017 ? 14:27, Jussi Lahtinen a ?crit?:
> He can't install Gambas, because of lack of disk space? Or he can't run 
> Gambas, because of not enough memory (IDE with small project seem to 
> take ~50MB [shouldn't be problem!])?
> Maybe instead he is having problems with the dependencies, maybe older 
> version of some distro do not have needed libraries?
> 
> I don't think this is hardware issue.
> 
> 
> Jussi
> 

Yep.

Gambas just needs a keyboard, a screen, a bit of memory, and some storage.

Is anything of that missing?

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mb at code-it.com  Fri Dec  8 18:17:03 2017
From: mb at code-it.com (mikeB)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 10:17:03 -0700
Subject: [Gambas-user] hardware requirments?
In-Reply-To: <f2296fbf-1cc0-42bb-456f-5bbbe7a78b80@gmail.com>
References: <f467b72c-f137-8c68-c77b-05248280fc95@code-it.com>
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Message-ID: <79fd4c12-7107-881e-0cf0-85317fc7a0f7@code-it.com>

here's what my friend replied.....
Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
Plenty of memory (8GB).
Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
*Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's works.
Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.

mikeB



On 12/08/2017 06:36 AM, Beno?t Minisini wrote:
> Le 08/12/2017 ? 14:27, Jussi Lahtinen a ?crit?:
>> He can't install Gambas, because of lack of disk space? Or he can't 
>> run Gambas, because of not enough memory (IDE with small project seem 
>> to take ~50MB [shouldn't be problem!])?
>> Maybe instead he is having problems with the dependencies, maybe older 
>> version of some distro do not have needed libraries?
>>
>> I don't think this is hardware issue.
>>
>>
>> Jussi
>>
> 
> Yep.
> 
> Gambas just needs a keyboard, a screen, a bit of memory, and some storage.
> 
> Is anything of that missing?
> 

From taboege at gmail.com  Fri Dec  8 18:47:16 2017
From: taboege at gmail.com (Tobias Boege)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 18:47:16 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] hardware requirments?
In-Reply-To: <79fd4c12-7107-881e-0cf0-85317fc7a0f7@code-it.com>
References: <f467b72c-f137-8c68-c77b-05248280fc95@code-it.com>
 <CAFJMe7SoGud_hKLPVzeLec8=uPm2Dj-dQ_d5ma-umLZfWQ620w@mail.gmail.com>
 <f2296fbf-1cc0-42bb-456f-5bbbe7a78b80@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20171208174716.GE894@highrise.localdomain>

On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
> here's what my friend replied.....
> Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
> Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
> Plenty of memory (8GB).
> Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
> Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
> Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
> *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
> Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
> Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
> Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's works.
> Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
> 

A possibly relevant difference between those systems is that AMD Athlons
are 32 bit, unless I'm mistaken. Maybe some dependencies are outdated for
that architecture.

Anyway it would be time to provide some real error messages. If it's the
bitness or too high version requirements for some dependencies that came
since 3.8.4, the package manager should be able to say that.

Regards,
Tobi

-- 
"There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Fri Dec  8 19:27:46 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 14:27:46 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] hardware requirments?
In-Reply-To: <20171208174716.GE894@highrise.localdomain>
References: <f467b72c-f137-8c68-c77b-05248280fc95@code-it.com>
 <CAFJMe7SoGud_hKLPVzeLec8=uPm2Dj-dQ_d5ma-umLZfWQ620w@mail.gmail.com>
 <f2296fbf-1cc0-42bb-456f-5bbbe7a78b80@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CALci+FTXWNrKDMnM5rtXrreBnyg8p9LhF-nRz96gs41PPJ+2CQ@mail.gmail.com>

the problem its the winbuntu derived distro mint..

i installed gambas in the very older eeepc asus with 2G disk ssd internal,
512Mb ram and geode CPU 800MHz perfectly..

but recent stupid linuxes (including recent kernel) now removed a lot of
support for older hardware lest take a example to xorg:

since 7.3 xorg does not support intel i810 complety, lie to said that its
supported due that chip does not offer 32bit dept only 16bit "true color"
so newer xorg does not complety provide all the chip capabilities
so if you have intel 810 based chip and wants DIR and opengl, xorg must be
fewer rather thant 7.2  so an older linux must be used..

in my case i backporte gambas for older linuxes.. like debian lenny and
squeeze perfectly.. of course, thanks to benoit that still does not "up"
the requerimients...

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2017-12-08 13:47 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>:

> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
> > here's what my friend replied.....
> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's works.
> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
> >
>
> A possibly relevant difference between those systems is that AMD Athlons
> are 32 bit, unless I'm mistaken. Maybe some dependencies are outdated for
> that architecture.
>
> Anyway it would be time to provide some real error messages. If it's the
> bitness or too high version requirements for some dependencies that came
> since 3.8.4, the package manager should be able to say that.
>
> Regards,
> Tobi
>
> --
> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk
>
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>
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Sat Dec  9 15:11:52 2017
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 15:11:52 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] hardware requirments?
In-Reply-To: <CALci+FTXWNrKDMnM5rtXrreBnyg8p9LhF-nRz96gs41PPJ+2CQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f467b72c-f137-8c68-c77b-05248280fc95@code-it.com>
 <CAFJMe7SoGud_hKLPVzeLec8=uPm2Dj-dQ_d5ma-umLZfWQ620w@mail.gmail.com>
 <f2296fbf-1cc0-42bb-456f-5bbbe7a78b80@gmail.com>
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A possible solution that allows installing 3.10 from PPA is Xubuntu 16.04

Regards
Gianluigi

2017-12-08 19:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:

> the problem its the winbuntu derived distro mint..
>
> i installed gambas in the very older eeepc asus with 2G disk ssd internal,
> 512Mb ram and geode CPU 800MHz perfectly..
>
> but recent stupid linuxes (including recent kernel) now removed a lot of
> support for older hardware lest take a example to xorg:
>
> since 7.3 xorg does not support intel i810 complety, lie to said that its
> supported due that chip does not offer 32bit dept only 16bit "true color"
> so newer xorg does not complety provide all the chip capabilities
> so if you have intel 810 based chip and wants DIR and opengl, xorg must be
> fewer rather thant 7.2  so an older linux must be used..
>
> in my case i backporte gambas for older linuxes.. like debian lenny and
> squeeze perfectly.. of course, thanks to benoit that still does not "up"
> the requerimients...
>
> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>
> 2017-12-08 13:47 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>:
>
>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's works.
>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
>> >
>>
>> A possibly relevant difference between those systems is that AMD Athlons
>> are 32 bit, unless I'm mistaken. Maybe some dependencies are outdated for
>> that architecture.
>>
>> Anyway it would be time to provide some real error messages. If it's the
>> bitness or too high version requirements for some dependencies that came
>> since 3.8.4, the package manager should be able to say that.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tobi
>>
>> --
>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>>
>> This is the Gambas Mailing List
>> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
>>
>> Hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
>>
>
>
>
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Sat Dec  9 20:10:24 2017
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 21:10:24 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] hardware requirments?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2rqFYn4Vnr7p91vGS9hg3SExEeP7pL_QfmLY3tLwW_2tNezQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <f2296fbf-1cc0-42bb-456f-5bbbe7a78b80@gmail.com>
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Have you actually tested that with 32bit version?


Jussi

On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:

> A possible solution that allows installing 3.10 from PPA is Xubuntu 16.04
>
> Regards
> Gianluigi
>
> 2017-12-08 19:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>
>> the problem its the winbuntu derived distro mint..
>>
>> i installed gambas in the very older eeepc asus with 2G disk ssd
>> internal, 512Mb ram and geode CPU 800MHz perfectly..
>>
>> but recent stupid linuxes (including recent kernel) now removed a lot of
>> support for older hardware lest take a example to xorg:
>>
>> since 7.3 xorg does not support intel i810 complety, lie to said that its
>> supported due that chip does not offer 32bit dept only 16bit "true color"
>> so newer xorg does not complety provide all the chip capabilities
>> so if you have intel 810 based chip and wants DIR and opengl, xorg must
>> be fewer rather thant 7.2  so an older linux must be used..
>>
>> in my case i backporte gambas for older linuxes.. like debian lenny and
>> squeeze perfectly.. of course, thanks to benoit that still does not "up"
>> the requerimients...
>>
>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>
>> 2017-12-08 13:47 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's works.
>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
>>> >
>>>
>>> A possibly relevant difference between those systems is that AMD Athlons
>>> are 32 bit, unless I'm mistaken. Maybe some dependencies are outdated for
>>> that architecture.
>>>
>>> Anyway it would be time to provide some real error messages. If it's the
>>> bitness or too high version requirements for some dependencies that came
>>> since 3.8.4, the package manager should be able to say that.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Tobi
>>>
>>> --
>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> This is the Gambas Mailing List
>>> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
>>>
>>> Hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Sat Dec  9 22:24:20 2017
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 22:24:20 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] hardware requirments?
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Yes :-)

[System]
Gambas=3.10
OperatingSystem=Linux
Kernel=4.4.0-103-generic
Architecture=x86
Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
Desktop=XFCE
Theme=Cleanlooks
Language=it_IT.UTF-8
Memory=3018M

Regards
Gianluigi




2017-12-09 20:10 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:

> Have you actually tested that with 32bit version?
>
>
> Jussi
>
> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A possible solution that allows installing 3.10 from PPA is Xubuntu 16.04
>>
>> Regards
>> Gianluigi
>>
>> 2017-12-08 19:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> the problem its the winbuntu derived distro mint..
>>>
>>> i installed gambas in the very older eeepc asus with 2G disk ssd
>>> internal, 512Mb ram and geode CPU 800MHz perfectly..
>>>
>>> but recent stupid linuxes (including recent kernel) now removed a lot of
>>> support for older hardware lest take a example to xorg:
>>>
>>> since 7.3 xorg does not support intel i810 complety, lie to said that
>>> its supported due that chip does not offer 32bit dept only 16bit "true
>>> color" so newer xorg does not complety provide all the chip capabilities
>>> so if you have intel 810 based chip and wants DIR and opengl, xorg must
>>> be fewer rather thant 7.2  so an older linux must be used..
>>>
>>> in my case i backporte gambas for older linuxes.. like debian lenny and
>>> squeeze perfectly.. of course, thanks to benoit that still does not "up"
>>> the requerimients...
>>>
>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> 2017-12-08 13:47 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's works.
>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> A possibly relevant difference between those systems is that AMD Athlons
>>>> are 32 bit, unless I'm mistaken. Maybe some dependencies are outdated
>>>> for
>>>> that architecture.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway it would be time to provide some real error messages. If it's the
>>>> bitness or too high version requirements for some dependencies that came
>>>> since 3.8.4, the package manager should be able to say that.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Tobi
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> This is the Gambas Mailing List
>>>> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
>>>>
>>>> Hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Sun Dec 10 02:03:43 2017
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 03:03:43 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] hardware requirments?
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Interesting, then I would guess the fault is not on Linux Mint either...
their repos contain pretty much the same stuff.
But hard to say without testing... or knowing the actual error message.


Jussi


On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes :-)
>
> [System]
> Gambas=3.10
> OperatingSystem=Linux
> Kernel=4.4.0-103-generic
> Architecture=x86
> Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
> Desktop=XFCE
> Theme=Cleanlooks
> Language=it_IT.UTF-8
> Memory=3018M
>
> Regards
> Gianluigi
>
>
>
>
> 2017-12-09 20:10 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>
>> Have you actually tested that with 32bit version?
>>
>>
>> Jussi
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> A possible solution that allows installing 3.10 from PPA is Xubuntu 16.04
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Gianluigi
>>>
>>> 2017-12-08 19:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> the problem its the winbuntu derived distro mint..
>>>>
>>>> i installed gambas in the very older eeepc asus with 2G disk ssd
>>>> internal, 512Mb ram and geode CPU 800MHz perfectly..
>>>>
>>>> but recent stupid linuxes (including recent kernel) now removed a lot
>>>> of support for older hardware lest take a example to xorg:
>>>>
>>>> since 7.3 xorg does not support intel i810 complety, lie to said that
>>>> its supported due that chip does not offer 32bit dept only 16bit "true
>>>> color" so newer xorg does not complety provide all the chip capabilities
>>>> so if you have intel 810 based chip and wants DIR and opengl, xorg must
>>>> be fewer rather thant 7.2  so an older linux must be used..
>>>>
>>>> in my case i backporte gambas for older linuxes.. like debian lenny and
>>>> squeeze perfectly.. of course, thanks to benoit that still does not "up"
>>>> the requerimients...
>>>>
>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>
>>>> 2017-12-08 13:47 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's works.
>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> A possibly relevant difference between those systems is that AMD
>>>>> Athlons
>>>>> are 32 bit, unless I'm mistaken. Maybe some dependencies are outdated
>>>>> for
>>>>> that architecture.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway it would be time to provide some real error messages. If it's
>>>>> the
>>>>> bitness or too high version requirements for some dependencies that
>>>>> came
>>>>> since 3.8.4, the package manager should be able to say that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Tobi
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Sun Dec 10 09:39:12 2017
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 09:39:12 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] hardware requirments?
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Here (Gambas-it) there were discussions that would make us think otherwise.
Sometimes Mint gives different results.
Taking a test does not cost much effort and removes any doubt.

Regards
Gianluigi

2017-12-10 2:03 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:

> Interesting, then I would guess the fault is not on Linux Mint either...
> their repos contain pretty much the same stuff.
> But hard to say without testing... or knowing the actual error message.
>
>
> Jussi
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes :-)
>>
>> [System]
>> Gambas=3.10
>> OperatingSystem=Linux
>> Kernel=4.4.0-103-generic
>> Architecture=x86
>> Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
>> Desktop=XFCE
>> Theme=Cleanlooks
>> Language=it_IT.UTF-8
>> Memory=3018M
>>
>> Regards
>> Gianluigi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2017-12-09 20:10 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Have you actually tested that with 32bit version?
>>>
>>>
>>> Jussi
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A possible solution that allows installing 3.10 from PPA is Xubuntu
>>>> 16.04
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>
>>>> 2017-12-08 19:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> the problem its the winbuntu derived distro mint..
>>>>>
>>>>> i installed gambas in the very older eeepc asus with 2G disk ssd
>>>>> internal, 512Mb ram and geode CPU 800MHz perfectly..
>>>>>
>>>>> but recent stupid linuxes (including recent kernel) now removed a lot
>>>>> of support for older hardware lest take a example to xorg:
>>>>>
>>>>> since 7.3 xorg does not support intel i810 complety, lie to said that
>>>>> its supported due that chip does not offer 32bit dept only 16bit "true
>>>>> color" so newer xorg does not complety provide all the chip capabilities
>>>>> so if you have intel 810 based chip and wants DIR and opengl, xorg
>>>>> must be fewer rather thant 7.2  so an older linux must be used..
>>>>>
>>>>> in my case i backporte gambas for older linuxes.. like debian lenny
>>>>> and squeeze perfectly.. of course, thanks to benoit that still does not
>>>>> "up" the requerimients...
>>>>>
>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-12-08 13:47 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's works.
>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A possibly relevant difference between those systems is that AMD
>>>>>> Athlons
>>>>>> are 32 bit, unless I'm mistaken. Maybe some dependencies are outdated
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> that architecture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway it would be time to provide some real error messages. If it's
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> bitness or too high version requirements for some dependencies that
>>>>>> came
>>>>>> since 3.8.4, the package manager should be able to say that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Tobi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk
>>>>>>
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From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 07:47:04 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] hardware requirments?
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2017-12-10 4:39 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:

> Here (Gambas-it) there were discussions that would make us think otherwise.
> Sometimes Mint gives different results.
> Taking a test does not cost much effort and removes any doubt.
>
jajaja never mind. witn a winbuntu derivative never will work..

use a kernel with no so many up to date.. a kernel that fith the hardware

wrong thinking that the most recent its the better



>
> Regards
> Gianluigi
>
> 2017-12-10 2:03 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>
>> Interesting, then I would guess the fault is not on Linux Mint either...
>> their repos contain pretty much the same stuff.
>> But hard to say without testing... or knowing the actual error message.
>>
>>
>> Jussi
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes :-)
>>>
>>> [System]
>>> Gambas=3.10
>>> OperatingSystem=Linux
>>> Kernel=4.4.0-103-generic
>>> Architecture=x86
>>> Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
>>> Desktop=XFCE
>>> Theme=Cleanlooks
>>> Language=it_IT.UTF-8
>>> Memory=3018M
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Gianluigi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-12-09 20:10 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Have you actually tested that with 32bit version?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jussi
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A possible solution that allows installing 3.10 from PPA is Xubuntu
>>>>> 16.04
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-12-08 19:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> the problem its the winbuntu derived distro mint..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i installed gambas in the very older eeepc asus with 2G disk ssd
>>>>>> internal, 512Mb ram and geode CPU 800MHz perfectly..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but recent stupid linuxes (including recent kernel) now removed a lot
>>>>>> of support for older hardware lest take a example to xorg:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> since 7.3 xorg does not support intel i810 complety, lie to said that
>>>>>> its supported due that chip does not offer 32bit dept only 16bit "true
>>>>>> color" so newer xorg does not complety provide all the chip capabilities
>>>>>> so if you have intel 810 based chip and wants DIR and opengl, xorg
>>>>>> must be fewer rather thant 7.2  so an older linux must be used..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> in my case i backporte gambas for older linuxes.. like debian lenny
>>>>>> and squeeze perfectly.. of course, thanks to benoit that still does not
>>>>>> "up" the requerimients...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-12-08 13:47 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's works.
>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A possibly relevant difference between those systems is that AMD
>>>>>>> Athlons
>>>>>>> are 32 bit, unless I'm mistaken. Maybe some dependencies are
>>>>>>> outdated for
>>>>>>> that architecture.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway it would be time to provide some real error messages. If it's
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> bitness or too high version requirements for some dependencies that
>>>>>>> came
>>>>>>> since 3.8.4, the package manager should be able to say that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Tobi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is the Gambas Mailing List
>>>>>>> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Sun Dec 10 14:18:15 2017
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 14:18:15 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] hardware requirments?
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If you like laughing...
Mine is a 13-year old hardware (excluding monitors and mouse, just bought
the monitor) and with Xubuntu 16.04 it works great.

Regards
Gianluigi

2017-12-10 12:47 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:

> 2017-12-10 4:39 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>
>> Here (Gambas-it) there were discussions that would make us think
>> otherwise.
>> Sometimes Mint gives different results.
>> Taking a test does not cost much effort and removes any doubt.
>>
> jajaja never mind. witn a winbuntu derivative never will work..
>
> use a kernel with no so many up to date.. a kernel that fith the hardware
>
> wrong thinking that the most recent its the better
>
>
>
>>
>> Regards
>> Gianluigi
>>
>> 2017-12-10 2:03 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Interesting, then I would guess the fault is not on Linux Mint either...
>>> their repos contain pretty much the same stuff.
>>> But hard to say without testing... or knowing the actual error message.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jussi
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes :-)
>>>>
>>>> [System]
>>>> Gambas=3.10
>>>> OperatingSystem=Linux
>>>> Kernel=4.4.0-103-generic
>>>> Architecture=x86
>>>> Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
>>>> Desktop=XFCE
>>>> Theme=Cleanlooks
>>>> Language=it_IT.UTF-8
>>>> Memory=3018M
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2017-12-09 20:10 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Have you actually tested that with 32bit version?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A possible solution that allows installing 3.10 from PPA is Xubuntu
>>>>>> 16.04
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-12-08 19:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com
>>>>>> >:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the problem its the winbuntu derived distro mint..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i installed gambas in the very older eeepc asus with 2G disk ssd
>>>>>>> internal, 512Mb ram and geode CPU 800MHz perfectly..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but recent stupid linuxes (including recent kernel) now removed a
>>>>>>> lot of support for older hardware lest take a example to xorg:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> since 7.3 xorg does not support intel i810 complety, lie to said
>>>>>>> that its supported due that chip does not offer 32bit dept only 16bit "true
>>>>>>> color" so newer xorg does not complety provide all the chip capabilities
>>>>>>> so if you have intel 810 based chip and wants DIR and opengl, xorg
>>>>>>> must be fewer rather thant 7.2  so an older linux must be used..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in my case i backporte gambas for older linuxes.. like debian lenny
>>>>>>> and squeeze perfectly.. of course, thanks to benoit that still does not
>>>>>>> "up" the requerimients...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 13:47 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's works.
>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A possibly relevant difference between those systems is that AMD
>>>>>>>> Athlons
>>>>>>>> are 32 bit, unless I'm mistaken. Maybe some dependencies are
>>>>>>>> outdated for
>>>>>>>> that architecture.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway it would be time to provide some real error messages. If
>>>>>>>> it's the
>>>>>>>> bitness or too high version requirements for some dependencies that
>>>>>>>> came
>>>>>>>> since 3.8.4, the package manager should be able to say that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Tobi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is the Gambas Mailing List
>>>>>>>> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Sun Dec 10 15:55:25 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 10:55:25 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] hardware requirments?
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2017-12-10 9:18 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:

> If you like laughing...
> Mine is a 13-year old hardware (excluding monitors and mouse, just bought
> the monitor) and with Xubuntu 16.04 it works great.
>
but its not the case..

For information to all Only lasted Athlon CPU's have sse instructions set
.. this can be one of the reasons why failds.. i'll explain for all

gambas works with that, but dependences in "win"buntu does not!, if some
package was compiled with sse or something of non-existing instruction
enabled (common in this days, by example for the kernels) will not work..

Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old P

Gambas 3.8.4 used by your maybe its from older ppa or from oficial
repositoryes.. in "that time" the dependences was very olders and maybe not
have some instructions enabled

The other obviously reason, its the PPA naturally compilation procedure, i
thinkg due winbuntu mint use the ppa repository, that the ppa compilation
process enabled today many instructions not supported by the olders athlon
cpu's

And for surprise of all, i have a K6 and a K7 cpu, and installed windows
mint and the ppa packages fails for lasted.. with this error:

"ilegal instruction set"

the error its a obviously reference that something done in the cpu that its
not possible, well sse are not the case (was a example),

i compile in my debian lenny and gambas 3.10 works perfectly

>
> Regards
> Gianluigi
>
> 2017-12-10 12:47 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>
>> 2017-12-10 4:39 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Here (Gambas-it) there were discussions that would make us think
>>> otherwise.
>>> Sometimes Mint gives different results.
>>> Taking a test does not cost much effort and removes any doubt.
>>>
>> jajaja never mind. witn a winbuntu derivative never will work..
>>
>> use a kernel with no so many up to date.. a kernel that fith the hardware
>>
>> wrong thinking that the most recent its the better
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Gianluigi
>>>
>>> 2017-12-10 2:03 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Interesting, then I would guess the fault is not on Linux Mint
>>>> either... their repos contain pretty much the same stuff.
>>>> But hard to say without testing... or knowing the actual error message.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jussi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> [System]
>>>>> Gambas=3.10
>>>>> OperatingSystem=Linux
>>>>> Kernel=4.4.0-103-generic
>>>>> Architecture=x86
>>>>> Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
>>>>> Desktop=XFCE
>>>>> Theme=Cleanlooks
>>>>> Language=it_IT.UTF-8
>>>>> Memory=3018M
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-12-09 20:10 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you actually tested that with 32bit version?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A possible solution that allows installing 3.10 from PPA is Xubuntu
>>>>>>> 16.04
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 19:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the problem its the winbuntu derived distro mint..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i installed gambas in the very older eeepc asus with 2G disk ssd
>>>>>>>> internal, 512Mb ram and geode CPU 800MHz perfectly..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but recent stupid linuxes (including recent kernel) now removed a
>>>>>>>> lot of support for older hardware lest take a example to xorg:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> since 7.3 xorg does not support intel i810 complety, lie to said
>>>>>>>> that its supported due that chip does not offer 32bit dept only 16bit "true
>>>>>>>> color" so newer xorg does not complety provide all the chip capabilities
>>>>>>>> so if you have intel 810 based chip and wants DIR and opengl, xorg
>>>>>>>> must be fewer rather thant 7.2  so an older linux must be used..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in my case i backporte gambas for older linuxes.. like debian lenny
>>>>>>>> and squeeze perfectly.. of course, thanks to benoit that still does not
>>>>>>>> "up" the requerimients...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 13:47 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's works.
>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A possibly relevant difference between those systems is that AMD
>>>>>>>>> Athlons
>>>>>>>>> are 32 bit, unless I'm mistaken. Maybe some dependencies are
>>>>>>>>> outdated for
>>>>>>>>> that architecture.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway it would be time to provide some real error messages. If
>>>>>>>>> it's the
>>>>>>>>> bitness or too high version requirements for some dependencies
>>>>>>>>> that came
>>>>>>>>> since 3.8.4, the package manager should be able to say that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Tobi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk
>>>>>>>>>
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Sun Dec 10 16:48:35 2017
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 17:48:35 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] hardware requirments?
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My computer is 9 years old and works perfectly with Linux Mint (64bit). I
really like the cinnamon desktop.
I compile Gambas myself and I compile every component except Qt5 stuff.
Never had problems.

When was last 32bit CPU for PCs made? Was it Athlon from 2005?


Jussi

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you like laughing...
> Mine is a 13-year old hardware (excluding monitors and mouse, just bought
> the monitor) and with Xubuntu 16.04 it works great.
>
> Regards
> Gianluigi
>
> 2017-12-10 12:47 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>
>> 2017-12-10 4:39 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Here (Gambas-it) there were discussions that would make us think
>>> otherwise.
>>> Sometimes Mint gives different results.
>>> Taking a test does not cost much effort and removes any doubt.
>>>
>> jajaja never mind. witn a winbuntu derivative never will work..
>>
>> use a kernel with no so many up to date.. a kernel that fith the hardware
>>
>> wrong thinking that the most recent its the better
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Gianluigi
>>>
>>> 2017-12-10 2:03 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Interesting, then I would guess the fault is not on Linux Mint
>>>> either... their repos contain pretty much the same stuff.
>>>> But hard to say without testing... or knowing the actual error message.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jussi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> [System]
>>>>> Gambas=3.10
>>>>> OperatingSystem=Linux
>>>>> Kernel=4.4.0-103-generic
>>>>> Architecture=x86
>>>>> Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
>>>>> Desktop=XFCE
>>>>> Theme=Cleanlooks
>>>>> Language=it_IT.UTF-8
>>>>> Memory=3018M
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-12-09 20:10 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you actually tested that with 32bit version?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A possible solution that allows installing 3.10 from PPA is Xubuntu
>>>>>>> 16.04
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 19:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the problem its the winbuntu derived distro mint..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i installed gambas in the very older eeepc asus with 2G disk ssd
>>>>>>>> internal, 512Mb ram and geode CPU 800MHz perfectly..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but recent stupid linuxes (including recent kernel) now removed a
>>>>>>>> lot of support for older hardware lest take a example to xorg:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> since 7.3 xorg does not support intel i810 complety, lie to said
>>>>>>>> that its supported due that chip does not offer 32bit dept only 16bit "true
>>>>>>>> color" so newer xorg does not complety provide all the chip capabilities
>>>>>>>> so if you have intel 810 based chip and wants DIR and opengl, xorg
>>>>>>>> must be fewer rather thant 7.2  so an older linux must be used..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in my case i backporte gambas for older linuxes.. like debian lenny
>>>>>>>> and squeeze perfectly.. of course, thanks to benoit that still does not
>>>>>>>> "up" the requerimients...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 13:47 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's works.
>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A possibly relevant difference between those systems is that AMD
>>>>>>>>> Athlons
>>>>>>>>> are 32 bit, unless I'm mistaken. Maybe some dependencies are
>>>>>>>>> outdated for
>>>>>>>>> that architecture.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway it would be time to provide some real error messages. If
>>>>>>>>> it's the
>>>>>>>>> bitness or too high version requirements for some dependencies
>>>>>>>>> that came
>>>>>>>>> since 3.8.4, the package manager should be able to say that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Tobi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is the Gambas Mailing List
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is the Gambas Mailing List
>>>>>>>> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Sun Dec 10 18:27:41 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:27:41 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] hardware requirments?
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9 years are not old! Athlon was made by firts time at 1999 a 18 year old, ok

gambas must be compiled in the host in that case or you must use my
packages for older computers that really works optimized (venenux)

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2017-12-10 11:48 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:

> My computer is 9 years old and works perfectly with Linux Mint (64bit). I
> really like the cinnamon desktop.
> I compile Gambas myself and I compile every component except Qt5 stuff.
> Never had problems.
>
> When was last 32bit CPU for PCs made? Was it Athlon from 2005?
>
>
> Jussi
>
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If you like laughing...
>> Mine is a 13-year old hardware (excluding monitors and mouse, just bought
>> the monitor) and with Xubuntu 16.04 it works great.
>>
>> Regards
>> Gianluigi
>>
>> 2017-12-10 12:47 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> 2017-12-10 4:39 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Here (Gambas-it) there were discussions that would make us think
>>>> otherwise.
>>>> Sometimes Mint gives different results.
>>>> Taking a test does not cost much effort and removes any doubt.
>>>>
>>> jajaja never mind. witn a winbuntu derivative never will work..
>>>
>>> use a kernel with no so many up to date.. a kernel that fith the hardware
>>>
>>> wrong thinking that the most recent its the better
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>
>>>> 2017-12-10 2:03 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Interesting, then I would guess the fault is not on Linux Mint
>>>>> either... their repos contain pretty much the same stuff.
>>>>> But hard to say without testing... or knowing the actual error message.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [System]
>>>>>> Gambas=3.10
>>>>>> OperatingSystem=Linux
>>>>>> Kernel=4.4.0-103-generic
>>>>>> Architecture=x86
>>>>>> Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
>>>>>> Desktop=XFCE
>>>>>> Theme=Cleanlooks
>>>>>> Language=it_IT.UTF-8
>>>>>> Memory=3018M
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-12-09 20:10 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you actually tested that with 32bit version?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A possible solution that allows installing 3.10 from PPA is Xubuntu
>>>>>>>> 16.04
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 19:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>>>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the problem its the winbuntu derived distro mint..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> i installed gambas in the very older eeepc asus with 2G disk ssd
>>>>>>>>> internal, 512Mb ram and geode CPU 800MHz perfectly..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> but recent stupid linuxes (including recent kernel) now removed a
>>>>>>>>> lot of support for older hardware lest take a example to xorg:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> since 7.3 xorg does not support intel i810 complety, lie to said
>>>>>>>>> that its supported due that chip does not offer 32bit dept only 16bit "true
>>>>>>>>> color" so newer xorg does not complety provide all the chip capabilities
>>>>>>>>> so if you have intel 810 based chip and wants DIR and opengl, xorg
>>>>>>>>> must be fewer rather thant 7.2  so an older linux must be used..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> in my case i backporte gambas for older linuxes.. like debian
>>>>>>>>> lenny and squeeze perfectly.. of course, thanks to benoit that still does
>>>>>>>>> not "up" the requerimients...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 13:47 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's works.
>>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A possibly relevant difference between those systems is that AMD
>>>>>>>>>> Athlons
>>>>>>>>>> are 32 bit, unless I'm mistaken. Maybe some dependencies are
>>>>>>>>>> outdated for
>>>>>>>>>> that architecture.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anyway it would be time to provide some real error messages. If
>>>>>>>>>> it's the
>>>>>>>>>> bitness or too high version requirements for some dependencies
>>>>>>>>>> that came
>>>>>>>>>> since 3.8.4, the package manager should be able to say that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Tobi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr.
>>>>>>>>>> Monk
>>>>>>>>>>
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Sun Dec 10 19:08:54 2017
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 19:08:54 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] hardware requirments?
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But here we talk about 8 GB of RAM, CPU can not be older than 9 years,
could not support them.

Regards
Gianluigi

2017-12-10 18:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:

> 9 years are not old! Athlon was made by firts time at 1999 a 18 year old,
> ok
>
> gambas must be compiled in the host in that case or you must use my
> packages for older computers that really works optimized (venenux)
>
> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>
> 2017-12-10 11:48 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>
>> My computer is 9 years old and works perfectly with Linux Mint (64bit). I
>> really like the cinnamon desktop.
>> I compile Gambas myself and I compile every component except Qt5 stuff.
>> Never had problems.
>>
>> When was last 32bit CPU for PCs made? Was it Athlon from 2005?
>>
>>
>> Jussi
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If you like laughing...
>>> Mine is a 13-year old hardware (excluding monitors and mouse, just
>>> bought the monitor) and with Xubuntu 16.04 it works great.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Gianluigi
>>>
>>> 2017-12-10 12:47 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> 2017-12-10 4:39 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Here (Gambas-it) there were discussions that would make us think
>>>>> otherwise.
>>>>> Sometimes Mint gives different results.
>>>>> Taking a test does not cost much effort and removes any doubt.
>>>>>
>>>> jajaja never mind. witn a winbuntu derivative never will work..
>>>>
>>>> use a kernel with no so many up to date.. a kernel that fith the
>>>> hardware
>>>>
>>>> wrong thinking that the most recent its the better
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-12-10 2:03 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting, then I would guess the fault is not on Linux Mint
>>>>>> either... their repos contain pretty much the same stuff.
>>>>>> But hard to say without testing... or knowing the actual error
>>>>>> message.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [System]
>>>>>>> Gambas=3.10
>>>>>>> OperatingSystem=Linux
>>>>>>> Kernel=4.4.0-103-generic
>>>>>>> Architecture=x86
>>>>>>> Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
>>>>>>> Desktop=XFCE
>>>>>>> Theme=Cleanlooks
>>>>>>> Language=it_IT.UTF-8
>>>>>>> Memory=3018M
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2017-12-09 20:10 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have you actually tested that with 32bit version?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A possible solution that allows installing 3.10 from PPA is
>>>>>>>>> Xubuntu 16.04
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 19:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>>>>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the problem its the winbuntu derived distro mint..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> i installed gambas in the very older eeepc asus with 2G disk ssd
>>>>>>>>>> internal, 512Mb ram and geode CPU 800MHz perfectly..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> but recent stupid linuxes (including recent kernel) now removed a
>>>>>>>>>> lot of support for older hardware lest take a example to xorg:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> since 7.3 xorg does not support intel i810 complety, lie to said
>>>>>>>>>> that its supported due that chip does not offer 32bit dept only 16bit "true
>>>>>>>>>> color" so newer xorg does not complety provide all the chip capabilities
>>>>>>>>>> so if you have intel 810 based chip and wants DIR and opengl,
>>>>>>>>>> xorg must be fewer rather thant 7.2  so an older linux must be used..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in my case i backporte gambas for older linuxes.. like debian
>>>>>>>>>> lenny and squeeze perfectly.. of course, thanks to benoit that still does
>>>>>>>>>> not "up" the requerimients...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 13:47 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>>>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>>>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>>>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>>>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>>>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>>>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>>>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>>>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's works.
>>>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A possibly relevant difference between those systems is that AMD
>>>>>>>>>>> Athlons
>>>>>>>>>>> are 32 bit, unless I'm mistaken. Maybe some dependencies are
>>>>>>>>>>> outdated for
>>>>>>>>>>> that architecture.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway it would be time to provide some real error messages. If
>>>>>>>>>>> it's the
>>>>>>>>>>> bitness or too high version requirements for some dependencies
>>>>>>>>>>> that came
>>>>>>>>>>> since 3.8.4, the package manager should be able to say that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Tobi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>> Monk
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is the Gambas Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 04:14:41 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 23:14:41 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] hardware requirments?
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2017-12-10 14:08 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:

> But here we talk about 8 GB of RAM, CPU can not be older than 9 years,
> could not support them.
>
umm in this case there's something wrong with your hardware description..

you said athlon and never athlon motherboards support more thn 6Gb of ram i
think so

could you provide the ooutput of :

/proc/cpuinfo
lspci

or could you try to compile and run gambas from tarball? in a testing
installation?

or reinstall and retest.. maybe its your hard-drive or some RAM dimm in bad
status



>
> Regards
> Gianluigi
>
> 2017-12-10 18:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>
>> 9 years are not old! Athlon was made by firts time at 1999 a 18 year old,
>> ok
>>
>> gambas must be compiled in the host in that case or you must use my
>> packages for older computers that really works optimized (venenux)
>>
>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>
>> 2017-12-10 11:48 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> My computer is 9 years old and works perfectly with Linux Mint (64bit).
>>> I really like the cinnamon desktop.
>>> I compile Gambas myself and I compile every component except Qt5 stuff.
>>> Never had problems.
>>>
>>> When was last 32bit CPU for PCs made? Was it Athlon from 2005?
>>>
>>>
>>> Jussi
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you like laughing...
>>>> Mine is a 13-year old hardware (excluding monitors and mouse, just
>>>> bought the monitor) and with Xubuntu 16.04 it works great.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>
>>>> 2017-12-10 12:47 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> 2017-12-10 4:39 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here (Gambas-it) there were discussions that would make us think
>>>>>> otherwise.
>>>>>> Sometimes Mint gives different results.
>>>>>> Taking a test does not cost much effort and removes any doubt.
>>>>>>
>>>>> jajaja never mind. witn a winbuntu derivative never will work..
>>>>>
>>>>> use a kernel with no so many up to date.. a kernel that fith the
>>>>> hardware
>>>>>
>>>>> wrong thinking that the most recent its the better
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-12-10 2:03 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interesting, then I would guess the fault is not on Linux Mint
>>>>>>> either... their repos contain pretty much the same stuff.
>>>>>>> But hard to say without testing... or knowing the actual error
>>>>>>> message.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [System]
>>>>>>>> Gambas=3.10
>>>>>>>> OperatingSystem=Linux
>>>>>>>> Kernel=4.4.0-103-generic
>>>>>>>> Architecture=x86
>>>>>>>> Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
>>>>>>>> Desktop=XFCE
>>>>>>>> Theme=Cleanlooks
>>>>>>>> Language=it_IT.UTF-8
>>>>>>>> Memory=3018M
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2017-12-09 20:10 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> >:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Have you actually tested that with 32bit version?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A possible solution that allows installing 3.10 from PPA is
>>>>>>>>>> Xubuntu 16.04
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 19:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>>>>>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the problem its the winbuntu derived distro mint..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> i installed gambas in the very older eeepc asus with 2G disk ssd
>>>>>>>>>>> internal, 512Mb ram and geode CPU 800MHz perfectly..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> but recent stupid linuxes (including recent kernel) now removed
>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of support for older hardware lest take a example to xorg:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> since 7.3 xorg does not support intel i810 complety, lie to said
>>>>>>>>>>> that its supported due that chip does not offer 32bit dept only 16bit "true
>>>>>>>>>>> color" so newer xorg does not complety provide all the chip capabilities
>>>>>>>>>>> so if you have intel 810 based chip and wants DIR and opengl,
>>>>>>>>>>> xorg must be fewer rather thant 7.2  so an older linux must be used..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> in my case i backporte gambas for older linuxes.. like debian
>>>>>>>>>>> lenny and squeeze perfectly.. of course, thanks to benoit that still does
>>>>>>>>>>> not "up" the requerimients...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>>>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 13:47 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>>>>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's
>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A possibly relevant difference between those systems is that
>>>>>>>>>>>> AMD Athlons
>>>>>>>>>>>> are 32 bit, unless I'm mistaken. Maybe some dependencies are
>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated for
>>>>>>>>>>>> that architecture.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway it would be time to provide some real error messages. If
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's the
>>>>>>>>>>>> bitness or too high version requirements for some dependencies
>>>>>>>>>>>> that came
>>>>>>>>>>>> since 3.8.4, the package manager should be able to say that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tobi
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Monk
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 09:27:26 2017
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 09:27:26 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] hardware requirments?
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Hi Piccoro,
remember, not me but mikeB said this:
On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>>>>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's
>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.

Regards
Gianluigi

2017-12-11 4:14 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:

> 2017-12-10 14:08 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>
>> But here we talk about 8 GB of RAM, CPU can not be older than 9 years,
>> could not support them.
>>
> umm in this case there's something wrong with your hardware description..
>
> you said athlon and never athlon motherboards support more thn 6Gb of ram
> i think so
>
> could you provide the ooutput of :
>
> /proc/cpuinfo
> lspci
>
> or could you try to compile and run gambas from tarball? in a testing
> installation?
>
> or reinstall and retest.. maybe its your hard-drive or some RAM dimm in
> bad status
>
>
>
>>
>> Regards
>> Gianluigi
>>
>> 2017-12-10 18:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> 9 years are not old! Athlon was made by firts time at 1999 a 18 year
>>> old, ok
>>>
>>> gambas must be compiled in the host in that case or you must use my
>>> packages for older computers that really works optimized (venenux)
>>>
>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> 2017-12-10 11:48 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> My computer is 9 years old and works perfectly with Linux Mint (64bit).
>>>> I really like the cinnamon desktop.
>>>> I compile Gambas myself and I compile every component except Qt5 stuff.
>>>> Never had problems.
>>>>
>>>> When was last 32bit CPU for PCs made? Was it Athlon from 2005?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jussi
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you like laughing...
>>>>> Mine is a 13-year old hardware (excluding monitors and mouse, just
>>>>> bought the monitor) and with Xubuntu 16.04 it works great.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-12-10 12:47 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-12-10 4:39 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here (Gambas-it) there were discussions that would make us think
>>>>>>> otherwise.
>>>>>>> Sometimes Mint gives different results.
>>>>>>> Taking a test does not cost much effort and removes any doubt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> jajaja never mind. witn a winbuntu derivative never will work..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> use a kernel with no so many up to date.. a kernel that fith the
>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrong thinking that the most recent its the better
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2017-12-10 2:03 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Interesting, then I would guess the fault is not on Linux Mint
>>>>>>>> either... their repos contain pretty much the same stuff.
>>>>>>>> But hard to say without testing... or knowing the actual error
>>>>>>>> message.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [System]
>>>>>>>>> Gambas=3.10
>>>>>>>>> OperatingSystem=Linux
>>>>>>>>> Kernel=4.4.0-103-generic
>>>>>>>>> Architecture=x86
>>>>>>>>> Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
>>>>>>>>> Desktop=XFCE
>>>>>>>>> Theme=Cleanlooks
>>>>>>>>> Language=it_IT.UTF-8
>>>>>>>>> Memory=3018M
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-09 20:10 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <
>>>>>>>>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Have you actually tested that with 32bit version?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A possible solution that allows installing 3.10 from PPA is
>>>>>>>>>>> Xubuntu 16.04
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 19:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>>>>>>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the problem its the winbuntu derived distro mint..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> i installed gambas in the very older eeepc asus with 2G disk
>>>>>>>>>>>> ssd internal, 512Mb ram and geode CPU 800MHz perfectly..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> but recent stupid linuxes (including recent kernel) now removed
>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of support for older hardware lest take a example to xorg:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> since 7.3 xorg does not support intel i810 complety, lie to
>>>>>>>>>>>> said that its supported due that chip does not offer 32bit dept only 16bit
>>>>>>>>>>>> "true color" so newer xorg does not complety provide all the chip
>>>>>>>>>>>> capabilities
>>>>>>>>>>>> so if you have intel 810 based chip and wants DIR and opengl,
>>>>>>>>>>>> xorg must be fewer rather thant 7.2  so an older linux must be used..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> in my case i backporte gambas for older linuxes.. like debian
>>>>>>>>>>>> lenny and squeeze perfectly.. of course, thanks to benoit that still does
>>>>>>>>>>>> not "up" the requerimients...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 13:47 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A possibly relevant difference between those systems is that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMD Athlons
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are 32 bit, unless I'm mistaken. Maybe some dependencies are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that architecture.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway it would be time to provide some real error messages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it's the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bitness or too high version requirements for some dependencies
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that came
>>>>>>>>>>>>> since 3.8.4, the package manager should be able to say that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tobi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 13:13:34 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 08:13:34 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] hardware requirments?
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yeah gianluigi, based on your response, i ask to mikeB but seems are very
busy..

the case of mikeB could not be possible as you said (more than 8G ram) due
amd athlon motherboards for home/office only supports up to 4G, and any
winbuntu distro based does not work in that cpu, some packages raise me the
message "ilegal instruction set"

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2017-12-11 4:27 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:

> Hi Piccoro,
> remember, not me but mikeB said this:
> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's
> >>>>>>>>>>>> works.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
>
> Regards
> Gianluigi
>
> 2017-12-11 4:14 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>
>> 2017-12-10 14:08 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> But here we talk about 8 GB of RAM, CPU can not be older than 9 years,
>>> could not support them.
>>>
>> umm in this case there's something wrong with your hardware description..
>>
>> you said athlon and never athlon motherboards support more thn 6Gb of ram
>> i think so
>>
>> could you provide the ooutput of :
>>
>> /proc/cpuinfo
>> lspci
>>
>> or could you try to compile and run gambas from tarball? in a testing
>> installation?
>>
>> or reinstall and retest.. maybe its your hard-drive or some RAM dimm in
>> bad status
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Gianluigi
>>>
>>> 2017-12-10 18:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> 9 years are not old! Athlon was made by firts time at 1999 a 18 year
>>>> old, ok
>>>>
>>>> gambas must be compiled in the host in that case or you must use my
>>>> packages for older computers that really works optimized (venenux)
>>>>
>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>
>>>> 2017-12-10 11:48 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> My computer is 9 years old and works perfectly with Linux Mint
>>>>> (64bit). I really like the cinnamon desktop.
>>>>> I compile Gambas myself and I compile every component except Qt5
>>>>> stuff. Never had problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> When was last 32bit CPU for PCs made? Was it Athlon from 2005?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you like laughing...
>>>>>> Mine is a 13-year old hardware (excluding monitors and mouse, just
>>>>>> bought the monitor) and with Xubuntu 16.04 it works great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-12-10 12:47 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com
>>>>>> >:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2017-12-10 4:39 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here (Gambas-it) there were discussions that would make us think
>>>>>>>> otherwise.
>>>>>>>> Sometimes Mint gives different results.
>>>>>>>> Taking a test does not cost much effort and removes any doubt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> jajaja never mind. witn a winbuntu derivative never will work..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> use a kernel with no so many up to date.. a kernel that fith the
>>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrong thinking that the most recent its the better
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2017-12-10 2:03 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Interesting, then I would guess the fault is not on Linux Mint
>>>>>>>>> either... their repos contain pretty much the same stuff.
>>>>>>>>> But hard to say without testing... or knowing the actual error
>>>>>>>>> message.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [System]
>>>>>>>>>> Gambas=3.10
>>>>>>>>>> OperatingSystem=Linux
>>>>>>>>>> Kernel=4.4.0-103-generic
>>>>>>>>>> Architecture=x86
>>>>>>>>>> Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
>>>>>>>>>> Desktop=XFCE
>>>>>>>>>> Theme=Cleanlooks
>>>>>>>>>> Language=it_IT.UTF-8
>>>>>>>>>> Memory=3018M
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-09 20:10 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <
>>>>>>>>>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Have you actually tested that with 32bit version?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A possible solution that allows installing 3.10 from PPA is
>>>>>>>>>>>> Xubuntu 16.04
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 19:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>>>>>>>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the problem its the winbuntu derived distro mint..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> i installed gambas in the very older eeepc asus with 2G disk
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ssd internal, 512Mb ram and geode CPU 800MHz perfectly..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but recent stupid linuxes (including recent kernel) now
>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed a lot of support for older hardware lest take a example to xorg:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> since 7.3 xorg does not support intel i810 complety, lie to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> said that its supported due that chip does not offer 32bit dept only 16bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "true color" so newer xorg does not complety provide all the chip
>>>>>>>>>>>>> capabilities
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so if you have intel 810 based chip and wants DIR and opengl,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> xorg must be fewer rather thant 7.2  so an older linux must be used..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my case i backporte gambas for older linuxes.. like debian
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lenny and squeeze perfectly.. of course, thanks to benoit that still does
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not "up" the requerimients...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 13:47 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A possibly relevant difference between those systems is that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMD Athlons
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are 32 bit, unless I'm mistaken. Maybe some dependencies are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that architecture.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway it would be time to provide some real error messages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it's the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bitness or too high version requirements for some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies that came
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since 3.8.4, the package manager should be able to say that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tobi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Monk
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 14:06:35 2017
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:06:35 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] hardware requirments?
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Here [0] another thing is written (2.1.2.1 CPU - Athlon XP).
And then again, on the second PC about 13 years old, I installed Gambas
3.10 (from PPA) on Xubuntu 16.04.03.
We try to give useful information and not to make religious wars.
Here he was asked to install Gambas from PPA.

Regards
Gianluigi

[0] https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/i386/ch02s01.html

2017-12-11 13:13 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:

> yeah gianluigi, based on your response, i ask to mikeB but seems are very
> busy..
>
> the case of mikeB could not be possible as you said (more than 8G ram) due
> amd athlon motherboards for home/office only supports up to 4G, and any
> winbuntu distro based does not work in that cpu, some packages raise me the
> message "ilegal instruction set"
>
> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>
> 2017-12-11 4:27 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi Piccoro,
>> remember, not me but mikeB said this:
>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
>>
>> Regards
>> Gianluigi
>>
>> 2017-12-11 4:14 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> 2017-12-10 14:08 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> But here we talk about 8 GB of RAM, CPU can not be older than 9 years,
>>>> could not support them.
>>>>
>>> umm in this case there's something wrong with your hardware
>>> description..
>>>
>>> you said athlon and never athlon motherboards support more thn 6Gb of
>>> ram i think so
>>>
>>> could you provide the ooutput of :
>>>
>>> /proc/cpuinfo
>>> lspci
>>>
>>> or could you try to compile and run gambas from tarball? in a testing
>>> installation?
>>>
>>> or reinstall and retest.. maybe its your hard-drive or some RAM dimm in
>>> bad status
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>
>>>> 2017-12-10 18:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> 9 years are not old! Athlon was made by firts time at 1999 a 18 year
>>>>> old, ok
>>>>>
>>>>> gambas must be compiled in the host in that case or you must use my
>>>>> packages for older computers that really works optimized (venenux)
>>>>>
>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-12-10 11:48 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My computer is 9 years old and works perfectly with Linux Mint
>>>>>> (64bit). I really like the cinnamon desktop.
>>>>>> I compile Gambas myself and I compile every component except Qt5
>>>>>> stuff. Never had problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When was last 32bit CPU for PCs made? Was it Athlon from 2005?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you like laughing...
>>>>>>> Mine is a 13-year old hardware (excluding monitors and mouse, just
>>>>>>> bought the monitor) and with Xubuntu 16.04 it works great.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2017-12-10 12:47 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2017-12-10 4:39 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here (Gambas-it) there were discussions that would make us think
>>>>>>>>> otherwise.
>>>>>>>>> Sometimes Mint gives different results.
>>>>>>>>> Taking a test does not cost much effort and removes any doubt.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> jajaja never mind. witn a winbuntu derivative never will work..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> use a kernel with no so many up to date.. a kernel that fith the
>>>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrong thinking that the most recent its the better
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-10 2:03 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> >:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Interesting, then I would guess the fault is not on Linux Mint
>>>>>>>>>> either... their repos contain pretty much the same stuff.
>>>>>>>>>> But hard to say without testing... or knowing the actual error
>>>>>>>>>> message.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [System]
>>>>>>>>>>> Gambas=3.10
>>>>>>>>>>> OperatingSystem=Linux
>>>>>>>>>>> Kernel=4.4.0-103-generic
>>>>>>>>>>> Architecture=x86
>>>>>>>>>>> Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
>>>>>>>>>>> Desktop=XFCE
>>>>>>>>>>> Theme=Cleanlooks
>>>>>>>>>>> Language=it_IT.UTF-8
>>>>>>>>>>> Memory=3018M
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-09 20:10 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <
>>>>>>>>>>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you actually tested that with 32bit version?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A possible solution that allows installing 3.10 from PPA is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Xubuntu 16.04
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 19:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the problem its the winbuntu derived distro mint..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i installed gambas in the very older eeepc asus with 2G disk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ssd internal, 512Mb ram and geode CPU 800MHz perfectly..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but recent stupid linuxes (including recent kernel) now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed a lot of support for older hardware lest take a example to xorg:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since 7.3 xorg does not support intel i810 complety, lie to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said that its supported due that chip does not offer 32bit dept only 16bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "true color" so newer xorg does not complety provide all the chip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capabilities
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so if you have intel 810 based chip and wants DIR and opengl,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> xorg must be fewer rather thant 7.2  so an older linux must be used..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my case i backporte gambas for older linuxes.. like debian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lenny and squeeze perfectly.. of course, thanks to benoit that still does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not "up" the requerimients...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 13:47 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A possibly relevant difference between those systems is that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMD Athlons
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are 32 bit, unless I'm mistaken. Maybe some dependencies are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that architecture.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway it would be time to provide some real error messages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it's the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bitness or too high version requirements for some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies that came
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since 3.8.4, the package manager should be able to say that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tobi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Monk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 09:20:55 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] hardware requirments?
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Athlon XP have sse yet! (year 2000 dec) maybe that the reason of

if MikeB does not have a Athlon XP or a AMD athlon up to 1999 year, does
not have sse and ...

maybe the ppa build eanbled the sse based on host gcc settings..

i have a K7 (pre-athlon) 800MHz and does not run

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2017-12-11 9:06 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:

> Here [0] another thing is written (2.1.2.1 CPU - Athlon XP).
> And then again, on the second PC about 13 years old, I installed Gambas
> 3.10 (from PPA) on Xubuntu 16.04.03.
> We try to give useful information and not to make religious wars.
> Here he was asked to install Gambas from PPA.
>
> Regards
> Gianluigi
>
> [0] https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/i386/ch02s01.html
>
> 2017-12-11 13:13 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>
>> yeah gianluigi, based on your response, i ask to mikeB but seems are very
>> busy..
>>
>> the case of mikeB could not be possible as you said (more than 8G ram)
>> due amd athlon motherboards for home/office only supports up to 4G, and any
>> winbuntu distro based does not work in that cpu, some packages raise me the
>> message "ilegal instruction set"
>>
>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>
>> 2017-12-11 4:27 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hi Piccoro,
>>> remember, not me but mikeB said this:
>>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Gianluigi
>>>
>>> 2017-12-11 4:14 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> 2017-12-10 14:08 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> But here we talk about 8 GB of RAM, CPU can not be older than 9 years,
>>>>> could not support them.
>>>>>
>>>> umm in this case there's something wrong with your hardware
>>>> description..
>>>>
>>>> you said athlon and never athlon motherboards support more thn 6Gb of
>>>> ram i think so
>>>>
>>>> could you provide the ooutput of :
>>>>
>>>> /proc/cpuinfo
>>>> lspci
>>>>
>>>> or could you try to compile and run gambas from tarball? in a testing
>>>> installation?
>>>>
>>>> or reinstall and retest.. maybe its your hard-drive or some RAM dimm in
>>>> bad status
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-12-10 18:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> 9 years are not old! Athlon was made by firts time at 1999 a 18 year
>>>>>> old, ok
>>>>>>
>>>>>> gambas must be compiled in the host in that case or you must use my
>>>>>> packages for older computers that really works optimized (venenux)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-12-10 11:48 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My computer is 9 years old and works perfectly with Linux Mint
>>>>>>> (64bit). I really like the cinnamon desktop.
>>>>>>> I compile Gambas myself and I compile every component except Qt5
>>>>>>> stuff. Never had problems.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When was last 32bit CPU for PCs made? Was it Athlon from 2005?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you like laughing...
>>>>>>>> Mine is a 13-year old hardware (excluding monitors and mouse, just
>>>>>>>> bought the monitor) and with Xubuntu 16.04 it works great.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2017-12-10 12:47 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>>>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-10 4:39 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here (Gambas-it) there were discussions that would make us think
>>>>>>>>>> otherwise.
>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes Mint gives different results.
>>>>>>>>>> Taking a test does not cost much effort and removes any doubt.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> jajaja never mind. witn a winbuntu derivative never will work..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> use a kernel with no so many up to date.. a kernel that fith the
>>>>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrong thinking that the most recent its the better
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-10 2:03 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <
>>>>>>>>>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting, then I would guess the fault is not on Linux Mint
>>>>>>>>>>> either... their repos contain pretty much the same stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>> But hard to say without testing... or knowing the actual error
>>>>>>>>>>> message.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [System]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gambas=3.10
>>>>>>>>>>>> OperatingSystem=Linux
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kernel=4.4.0-103-generic
>>>>>>>>>>>> Architecture=x86
>>>>>>>>>>>> Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
>>>>>>>>>>>> Desktop=XFCE
>>>>>>>>>>>> Theme=Cleanlooks
>>>>>>>>>>>> Language=it_IT.UTF-8
>>>>>>>>>>>> Memory=3018M
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-09 20:10 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <
>>>>>>>>>>>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you actually tested that with 32bit version?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A possible solution that allows installing 3.10 from PPA is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Xubuntu 16.04
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 19:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the problem its the winbuntu derived distro mint..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i installed gambas in the very older eeepc asus with 2G disk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ssd internal, 512Mb ram and geode CPU 800MHz perfectly..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but recent stupid linuxes (including recent kernel) now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed a lot of support for older hardware lest take a example to xorg:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since 7.3 xorg does not support intel i810 complety, lie to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said that its supported due that chip does not offer 32bit dept only 16bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "true color" so newer xorg does not complety provide all the chip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capabilities
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so if you have intel 810 based chip and wants DIR and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opengl, xorg must be fewer rather thant 7.2  so an older linux must be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my case i backporte gambas for older linuxes.. like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> debian lenny and squeeze perfectly.. of course, thanks to benoit that still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not "up" the requerimients...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 13:47 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A possibly relevant difference between those systems is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that AMD Athlons
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are 32 bit, unless I'm mistaken. Maybe some dependencies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are outdated for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that architecture.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway it would be time to provide some real error
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> messages. If it's the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bitness or too high version requirements for some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies that came
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since 3.8.4, the package manager should be able to say that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tobi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Monk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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2017-12-11 9:20 GMT-04:00 Gary Hedquist <gh4wi at gmx.us>:

> New Mobo, CPU, & memory parts on order.
> The old Athlon PC's will be upgraded to AMD APU's.
>
> Thanks for the Info, too bad Gambas doesn't post
> Hardware requirements on the web site.
>
> Gary H.
>

yeah as i guest.. i have a more older K7 and does not run either


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> Here [0] another thing is written (2.1.2.1 CPU - Athlon XP).
> And then again, on the second PC about 13 years old, I installed Gambas
> 3.10 (from PPA) on Xubuntu 16.04.03.
> We try to give useful information and not to make religious wars.
> Here he was asked to install Gambas from PPA.
>
> Regards
> Gianluigi
>
> [0] https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/i386/ch02s01.html
>
> 2017-12-11 13:13 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>
> > yeah gianluigi, based on your response, i ask to mikeB but seems are very
> > busy..
> >
> > the case of mikeB could not be possible as you said (more than 8G ram)
> due
> > amd athlon motherboards for home/office only supports up to 4G, and any
> > winbuntu distro based does not work in that cpu, some packages raise me
> the
> > message "ilegal instruction set"
> >
> > Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> > http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
> >
> > 2017-12-11 4:27 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
> >
> >> Hi Piccoro,
> >> remember, not me but mikeB said this:
> >> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> works.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Gianluigi
> >>
> >> 2017-12-11 4:14 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
> >>
> >>> 2017-12-10 14:08 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
> >>>
> >>>> But here we talk about 8 GB of RAM, CPU can not be older than 9 years,
> >>>> could not support them.
> >>>>
> >>> umm in this case there's something wrong with your hardware
> >>> description..
> >>>
> >>> you said athlon and never athlon motherboards support more thn 6Gb of
> >>> ram i think so
> >>>
> >>> could you provide the ooutput of :
> >>>
> >>> /proc/cpuinfo
> >>> lspci
> >>>
> >>> or could you try to compile and run gambas from tarball? in a testing
> >>> installation?
> >>>
> >>> or reinstall and retest.. maybe its your hard-drive or some RAM dimm in
> >>> bad status
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards
> >>>> Gianluigi
> >>>>
> >>>> 2017-12-10 18:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com
> >:
> >>>>
> >>>>> 9 years are not old! Athlon was made by firts time at 1999 a 18 year
> >>>>> old, ok
> >>>>>
> >>>>> gambas must be compiled in the host in that case or you must use my
> >>>>> packages for older computers that really works optimized (venenux)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> >>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2017-12-10 11:48 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com
> >:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> My computer is 9 years old and works perfectly with Linux Mint
> >>>>>> (64bit). I really like the cinnamon desktop.
> >>>>>> I compile Gambas myself and I compile every component except Qt5
> >>>>>> stuff. Never had problems.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> When was last 32bit CPU for PCs made? Was it Athlon from 2005?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jussi
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you like laughing...
> >>>>>>> Mine is a 13-year old hardware (excluding monitors and mouse, just
> >>>>>>> bought the monitor) and with Xubuntu 16.04 it works great.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>> Gianluigi
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2017-12-10 12:47 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
> >>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 2017-12-10 4:39 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Here (Gambas-it) there were discussions that would make us think
> >>>>>>>>> otherwise.
> >>>>>>>>> Sometimes Mint gives different results.
> >>>>>>>>> Taking a test does not cost much effort and removes any doubt.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> jajaja never mind. witn a winbuntu derivative never will work..
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> use a kernel with no so many up to date.. a kernel that fith the
> >>>>>>>> hardware
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> wrong thinking that the most recent its the better
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 2017-12-10 2:03 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <
> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>> >:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Interesting, then I would guess the fault is not on Linux Mint
> >>>>>>>>>> either... their repos contain pretty much the same stuff.
> >>>>>>>>>> But hard to say without testing... or knowing the actual error
> >>>>>>>>>> message.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Jussi
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com
> >
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes :-)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> [System]
> >>>>>>>>>>> Gambas=3.10
> >>>>>>>>>>> OperatingSystem=Linux
> >>>>>>>>>>> Kernel=4.4.0-103-generic
> >>>>>>>>>>> Architecture=x86
> >>>>>>>>>>> Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
> >>>>>>>>>>> Desktop=XFCE
> >>>>>>>>>>> Theme=Cleanlooks
> >>>>>>>>>>> Language=it_IT.UTF-8
> >>>>>>>>>>> Memory=3018M
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-09 20:10 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <
> >>>>>>>>>>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Have you actually tested that with 32bit version?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jussi
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Gianluigi <
> bagonergi at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> A possible solution that allows installing 3.10 from PPA is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Xubuntu 16.04
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 19:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the problem its the winbuntu derived distro mint..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> i installed gambas in the very older eeepc asus with 2G disk
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ssd internal, 512Mb ram and geode CPU 800MHz perfectly..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but recent stupid linuxes (including recent kernel) now
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed a lot of support for older hardware lest take a
> example to xorg:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> since 7.3 xorg does not support intel i810 complety, lie to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> said that its supported due that chip does not offer 32bit
> dept only 16bit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "true color" so newer xorg does not complety provide all
> the chip
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> capabilities
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so if you have intel 810 based chip and wants DIR and
> opengl,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> xorg must be fewer rather thant 7.2 so an older linux must
> be used..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my case i backporte gambas for older linuxes.. like
> debian
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lenny and squeeze perfectly.. of course, thanks to benoit
> that still does
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not "up" the requerimients...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 13:47 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com
> >:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A possibly relevant difference between those systems is
> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMD Athlons
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are 32 bit, unless I'm mistaken. Maybe some dependencies
> are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that architecture.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway it would be time to provide some real error
> messages.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it's the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bitness or too high version requirements for some
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies that came
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since 3.8.4, the package manager should be able to say
> that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tobi
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Monk
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 14:25:00 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 09:25:00 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] User Digest, Vol 3, Issue 18
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2017-12-11 9:20 GMT-04:00 Gary Hedquist <gh4wi at gmx.us>:

> New Mobo, CPU, & memory parts on order.
> The old Athlon PC's will be upgraded to AMD APU's.
>
> Thanks for the Info, too bad Gambas doesn't post
> Hardware requirements on the web site.
>
that not depends on gambas, depends on your linux distribution..

i install gambas in a 20 years old machine, ...

gambas depends on many packages if these packages does not have configured
for your hardware

so then gambas obviously will not run.. if that packages coul not be run,
and that depends of your linux distro



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> 1. Re: hardware requirments? (Gianluigi)
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> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:06:35 +0100
> From: Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
> To: Gambas Mailing List <user at lists.gambas-basic.org>
> Subject: Re: [Gambas-user] hardware requirments?
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> Here [0] another thing is written (2.1.2.1 CPU - Athlon XP).
> And then again, on the second PC about 13 years old, I installed Gambas
> 3.10 (from PPA) on Xubuntu 16.04.03.
> We try to give useful information and not to make religious wars.
> Here he was asked to install Gambas from PPA.
>
> Regards
> Gianluigi
>
> [0] https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/i386/ch02s01.html
>
> 2017-12-11 13:13 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>
> > yeah gianluigi, based on your response, i ask to mikeB but seems are very
> > busy..
> >
> > the case of mikeB could not be possible as you said (more than 8G ram)
> due
> > amd athlon motherboards for home/office only supports up to 4G, and any
> > winbuntu distro based does not work in that cpu, some packages raise me
> the
> > message "ilegal instruction set"
> >
> > Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> > http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
> >
> > 2017-12-11 4:27 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
> >
> >> Hi Piccoro,
> >> remember, not me but mikeB said this:
> >> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> works.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Gianluigi
> >>
> >> 2017-12-11 4:14 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
> >>
> >>> 2017-12-10 14:08 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
> >>>
> >>>> But here we talk about 8 GB of RAM, CPU can not be older than 9 years,
> >>>> could not support them.
> >>>>
> >>> umm in this case there's something wrong with your hardware
> >>> description..
> >>>
> >>> you said athlon and never athlon motherboards support more thn 6Gb of
> >>> ram i think so
> >>>
> >>> could you provide the ooutput of :
> >>>
> >>> /proc/cpuinfo
> >>> lspci
> >>>
> >>> or could you try to compile and run gambas from tarball? in a testing
> >>> installation?
> >>>
> >>> or reinstall and retest.. maybe its your hard-drive or some RAM dimm in
> >>> bad status
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards
> >>>> Gianluigi
> >>>>
> >>>> 2017-12-10 18:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com
> >:
> >>>>
> >>>>> 9 years are not old! Athlon was made by firts time at 1999 a 18 year
> >>>>> old, ok
> >>>>>
> >>>>> gambas must be compiled in the host in that case or you must use my
> >>>>> packages for older computers that really works optimized (venenux)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> >>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2017-12-10 11:48 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com
> >:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> My computer is 9 years old and works perfectly with Linux Mint
> >>>>>> (64bit). I really like the cinnamon desktop.
> >>>>>> I compile Gambas myself and I compile every component except Qt5
> >>>>>> stuff. Never had problems.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> When was last 32bit CPU for PCs made? Was it Athlon from 2005?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jussi
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you like laughing...
> >>>>>>> Mine is a 13-year old hardware (excluding monitors and mouse, just
> >>>>>>> bought the monitor) and with Xubuntu 16.04 it works great.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>> Gianluigi
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2017-12-10 12:47 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
> >>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 2017-12-10 4:39 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Here (Gambas-it) there were discussions that would make us think
> >>>>>>>>> otherwise.
> >>>>>>>>> Sometimes Mint gives different results.
> >>>>>>>>> Taking a test does not cost much effort and removes any doubt.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> jajaja never mind. witn a winbuntu derivative never will work..
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> use a kernel with no so many up to date.. a kernel that fith the
> >>>>>>>> hardware
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> wrong thinking that the most recent its the better
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 2017-12-10 2:03 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <
> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>> >:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Interesting, then I would guess the fault is not on Linux Mint
> >>>>>>>>>> either... their repos contain pretty much the same stuff.
> >>>>>>>>>> But hard to say without testing... or knowing the actual error
> >>>>>>>>>> message.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Jussi
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com
> >
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes :-)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> [System]
> >>>>>>>>>>> Gambas=3.10
> >>>>>>>>>>> OperatingSystem=Linux
> >>>>>>>>>>> Kernel=4.4.0-103-generic
> >>>>>>>>>>> Architecture=x86
> >>>>>>>>>>> Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
> >>>>>>>>>>> Desktop=XFCE
> >>>>>>>>>>> Theme=Cleanlooks
> >>>>>>>>>>> Language=it_IT.UTF-8
> >>>>>>>>>>> Memory=3018M
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-09 20:10 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <
> >>>>>>>>>>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Have you actually tested that with 32bit version?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jussi
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Gianluigi <
> bagonergi at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> A possible solution that allows installing 3.10 from PPA is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Xubuntu 16.04
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 19:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the problem its the winbuntu derived distro mint..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> i installed gambas in the very older eeepc asus with 2G disk
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ssd internal, 512Mb ram and geode CPU 800MHz perfectly..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but recent stupid linuxes (including recent kernel) now
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed a lot of support for older hardware lest take a
> example to xorg:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> since 7.3 xorg does not support intel i810 complety, lie to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> said that its supported due that chip does not offer 32bit
> dept only 16bit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "true color" so newer xorg does not complety provide all
> the chip
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> capabilities
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so if you have intel 810 based chip and wants DIR and
> opengl,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> xorg must be fewer rather thant 7.2 so an older linux must
> be used..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my case i backporte gambas for older linuxes.. like
> debian
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lenny and squeeze perfectly.. of course, thanks to benoit
> that still does
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not "up" the requerimients...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 13:47 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com
> >:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A possibly relevant difference between those systems is
> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMD Athlons
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are 32 bit, unless I'm mistaken. Maybe some dependencies
> are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that architecture.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway it would be time to provide some real error
> messages.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it's the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bitness or too high version requirements for some
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies that came
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since 3.8.4, the package manager should be able to say
> that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tobi
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Monk
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 14:35:16 2017
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:35:16 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] User Digest, Vol 3, Issue 18
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OK +1

Gianluigi

2017-12-11 14:25 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:

> 2017-12-11 9:20 GMT-04:00 Gary Hedquist <gh4wi at gmx.us>:
>
>> New Mobo, CPU, & memory parts on order.
>> The old Athlon PC's will be upgraded to AMD APU's.
>>
>> Thanks for the Info, too bad Gambas doesn't post
>> Hardware requirements on the web site.
>>
> that not depends on gambas, depends on your linux distribution..
>
> i install gambas in a 20 years old machine, ...
>
> gambas depends on many packages if these packages does not have configured
> for your hardware
>
> so then gambas obviously will not run.. if that packages coul not be run,
> and that depends of your linux distro
>
>
>
>>
>> Gary H.
>>
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>> 1. Re: hardware requirments? (Gianluigi)
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>> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:06:35 +0100
>> From: Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>> To: Gambas Mailing List <user at lists.gambas-basic.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Gambas-user] hardware requirments?
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>> Here [0] another thing is written (2.1.2.1 CPU - Athlon XP).
>> And then again, on the second PC about 13 years old, I installed Gambas
>> 3.10 (from PPA) on Xubuntu 16.04.03.
>> We try to give useful information and not to make religious wars.
>> Here he was asked to install Gambas from PPA.
>>
>> Regards
>> Gianluigi
>>
>> [0] https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/i386/ch02s01.html
>>
>> 2017-12-11 13:13 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>>
>> > yeah gianluigi, based on your response, i ask to mikeB but seems are
>> very
>> > busy..
>> >
>> > the case of mikeB could not be possible as you said (more than 8G ram)
>> due
>> > amd athlon motherboards for home/office only supports up to 4G, and any
>> > winbuntu distro based does not work in that cpu, some packages raise me
>> the
>> > message "ilegal instruction set"
>> >
>> > Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>> > http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>> >
>> > 2017-12-11 4:27 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>> >
>> >> Hi Piccoro,
>> >> remember, not me but mikeB said this:
>> >> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >> Gianluigi
>> >>
>> >> 2017-12-11 4:14 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>> >>
>> >>> 2017-12-10 14:08 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>> >>>
>> >>>> But here we talk about 8 GB of RAM, CPU can not be older than 9
>> years,
>> >>>> could not support them.
>> >>>>
>> >>> umm in this case there's something wrong with your hardware
>> >>> description..
>> >>>
>> >>> you said athlon and never athlon motherboards support more thn 6Gb of
>> >>> ram i think so
>> >>>
>> >>> could you provide the ooutput of :
>> >>>
>> >>> /proc/cpuinfo
>> >>> lspci
>> >>>
>> >>> or could you try to compile and run gambas from tarball? in a testing
>> >>> installation?
>> >>>
>> >>> or reinstall and retest.. maybe its your hard-drive or some RAM dimm
>> in
>> >>> bad status
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Regards
>> >>>> Gianluigi
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2017-12-10 18:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> 9 years are not old! Athlon was made by firts time at 1999 a 18 year
>> >>>>> old, ok
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> gambas must be compiled in the host in that case or you must use my
>> >>>>> packages for older computers that really works optimized (venenux)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>> >>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 2017-12-10 11:48 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com
>> >:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> My computer is 9 years old and works perfectly with Linux Mint
>> >>>>>> (64bit). I really like the cinnamon desktop.
>> >>>>>> I compile Gambas myself and I compile every component except Qt5
>> >>>>>> stuff. Never had problems.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> When was last 32bit CPU for PCs made? Was it Athlon from 2005?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Jussi
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> If you like laughing...
>> >>>>>>> Mine is a 13-year old hardware (excluding monitors and mouse, just
>> >>>>>>> bought the monitor) and with Xubuntu 16.04 it works great.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Regards
>> >>>>>>> Gianluigi
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> 2017-12-10 12:47 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>> >>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> 2017-12-10 4:39 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Here (Gambas-it) there were discussions that would make us think
>> >>>>>>>>> otherwise.
>> >>>>>>>>> Sometimes Mint gives different results.
>> >>>>>>>>> Taking a test does not cost much effort and removes any doubt.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> jajaja never mind. witn a winbuntu derivative never will work..
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> use a kernel with no so many up to date.. a kernel that fith the
>> >>>>>>>> hardware
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> wrong thinking that the most recent its the better
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Regards
>> >>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> 2017-12-10 2:03 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <
>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com
>> >>>>>>>>> >:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Interesting, then I would guess the fault is not on Linux Mint
>> >>>>>>>>>> either... their repos contain pretty much the same stuff.
>> >>>>>>>>>> But hard to say without testing... or knowing the actual error
>> >>>>>>>>>> message.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Jussi
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Gianluigi <
>> bagonergi at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes :-)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> [System]
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Gambas=3.10
>> >>>>>>>>>>> OperatingSystem=Linux
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kernel=4.4.0-103-generic
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Architecture=x86
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Desktop=XFCE
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Theme=Cleanlooks
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Language=it_IT.UTF-8
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Memory=3018M
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-09 20:10 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <
>> >>>>>>>>>>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Have you actually tested that with 32bit version?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jussi
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Gianluigi <
>> bagonergi at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> A possible solution that allows installing 3.10 from PPA is
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Xubuntu 16.04
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 19:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the problem its the winbuntu derived distro mint..
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> i installed gambas in the very older eeepc asus with 2G
>> disk
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ssd internal, 512Mb ram and geode CPU 800MHz perfectly..
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but recent stupid linuxes (including recent kernel) now
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed a lot of support for older hardware lest take a
>> example to xorg:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> since 7.3 xorg does not support intel i810 complety, lie to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> said that its supported due that chip does not offer 32bit
>> dept only 16bit
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "true color" so newer xorg does not complety provide all
>> the chip
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> capabilities
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so if you have intel 810 based chip and wants DIR and
>> opengl,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> xorg must be fewer rather thant 7.2 so an older linux must
>> be used..
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my case i backporte gambas for older linuxes.. like
>> debian
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lenny and squeeze perfectly.. of course, thanks to benoit
>> that still does
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not "up" the requerimients...
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 13:47 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com
>> >:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A possibly relevant difference between those systems is
>> that
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMD Athlons
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are 32 bit, unless I'm mistaken. Maybe some dependencies
>> are
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated for
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that architecture.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway it would be time to provide some real error
>> messages.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it's the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bitness or too high version requirements for some
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies that came
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since 3.8.4, the package manager should be able to say
>> that.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tobi
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" --
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Monk
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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From mb at code-it.com  Mon Dec 11 19:53:18 2017
From: mb at code-it.com (mikeB)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:53:18 -0700
Subject: [Gambas-user] User Digest, Vol 3, Issue 18
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Sorry for not getting back to persons on the list that were requesting
more info from me on the "Hardware" issue.

My friend (Gary Hedquist) I was referring to has joined the list and
his comments supersede mine as he's a hardware guy that is getting into
programming;-)

Thanks to all for your insight - learned a lot from this conversation.
mikeB


On 12/11/2017 06:20 AM, Gary Hedquist wrote:
> New Mobo, CPU, & memory parts on order.
> The old Athlon PC's will be upgraded to AMD APU's.
> Thanks for the Info, too bad Gambas doesn't post
> Hardware requirements on the web site.
> Gary H.
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> Here [0] another thing is written (2.1.2.1 CPU - Athlon XP).
> And then again, on the second PC about 13 years old, I installed Gambas
> 3.10 (from PPA) on Xubuntu 16.04.03.
> We try to give useful information and not to make religious wars.
> Here he was asked to install Gambas from PPA.
> 
> Regards
> Gianluigi
> 
> [0] https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/i386/ch02s01.html
> 
> 2017-12-11 13:13 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
> 
>   > yeah gianluigi, based on your response, i ask to mikeB but seems are very
>   > busy..
>   >
>   > the case of mikeB could not be possible as you said (more than 8G ram) due
>   > amd athlon motherboards for home/office only supports up to 4G, and any
>   > winbuntu distro based does not work in that cpu, some packages raise me the
>   > message "ilegal instruction set"
>   >
>   > Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>   > http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>   >
>   > 2017-12-11 4:27 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>   >
>   >> Hi Piccoro,
>   >> remember, not me but mikeB said this:
>   >> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>   >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>   >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>   >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>   >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>   >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>   >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>   >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>   >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>   >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>   >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>   >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's
>   >> >>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>   >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
>   >>
>   >> Regards
>   >> Gianluigi
>   >>
>   >> 2017-12-11 4:14 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>   >>
>   >>> 2017-12-10 14:08 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>   >>>
>   >>>> But here we talk about 8 GB of RAM, CPU can not be older than 9 years,
>   >>>> could not support them.
>   >>>>
>   >>> umm in this case there's something wrong with your hardware
>   >>> description..
>   >>>
>   >>> you said athlon and never athlon motherboards support more thn 6Gb of
>   >>> ram i think so
>   >>>
>   >>> could you provide the ooutput of :
>   >>>
>   >>> /proc/cpuinfo
>   >>> lspci
>   >>>
>   >>> or could you try to compile and run gambas from tarball? in a testing
>   >>> installation?
>   >>>
>   >>> or reinstall and retest.. maybe its your hard-drive or some RAM dimm in
>   >>> bad status
>   >>>
>   >>>
>   >>>
>   >>>>
>   >>>> Regards
>   >>>> Gianluigi
>   >>>>
>   >>>> 2017-12-10 18:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>   >>>>
>   >>>>> 9 years are not old! Athlon was made by firts time at 1999 a 18 year
>   >>>>> old, ok
>   >>>>>
>   >>>>> gambas must be compiled in the host in that case or you must use my
>   >>>>> packages for older computers that really works optimized (venenux)
>   >>>>>
>   >>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>   >>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>   >>>>>
>   >>>>> 2017-12-10 11:48 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>   >>>>>
>   >>>>>> My computer is 9 years old and works perfectly with Linux Mint
>   >>>>>> (64bit). I really like the cinnamon desktop.
>   >>>>>> I compile Gambas myself and I compile every component except Qt5
>   >>>>>> stuff. Never had problems.
>   >>>>>>
>   >>>>>> When was last 32bit CPU for PCs made? Was it Athlon from 2005?
>   >>>>>>
>   >>>>>>
>   >>>>>> Jussi
>   >>>>>>
>   >>>>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>   >>>>>> wrote:
>   >>>>>>
>   >>>>>>> If you like laughing...
>   >>>>>>> Mine is a 13-year old hardware (excluding monitors and mouse, just
>   >>>>>>> bought the monitor) and with Xubuntu 16.04 it works great.
>   >>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>> Regards
>   >>>>>>> Gianluigi
>   >>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>> 2017-12-10 12:47 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>   >>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>   >>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>> 2017-12-10 4:39 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>   >>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>> Here (Gambas-it) there were discussions that would make us think
>   >>>>>>>>> otherwise.
>   >>>>>>>>> Sometimes Mint gives different results.
>   >>>>>>>>> Taking a test does not cost much effort and removes any doubt.
>   >>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>> jajaja never mind. witn a winbuntu derivative never will work..
>   >>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>> use a kernel with no so many up to date.. a kernel that fith the
>   >>>>>>>> hardware
>   >>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>> wrong thinking that the most recent its the better
>   >>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>> Regards
>   >>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>   >>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>> 2017-12-10 2:03 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com
>   >>>>>>>>> >:
>   >>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>> Interesting, then I would guess the fault is not on Linux Mint
>   >>>>>>>>>> either... their repos contain pretty much the same stuff.
>   >>>>>>>>>> But hard to say without testing... or knowing the actual error
>   >>>>>>>>>> message.
>   >>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>> Jussi
>   >>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>   >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>   >>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>>> Yes :-)
>   >>>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>>> [System]
>   >>>>>>>>>>> Gambas=3.10
>   >>>>>>>>>>> OperatingSystem=Linux
>   >>>>>>>>>>> Kernel=4.4.0-103-generic
>   >>>>>>>>>>> Architecture=x86
>   >>>>>>>>>>> Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
>   >>>>>>>>>>> Desktop=XFCE
>   >>>>>>>>>>> Theme=Cleanlooks
>   >>>>>>>>>>> Language=it_IT.UTF-8
>   >>>>>>>>>>> Memory=3018M
>   >>>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>   >>>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>   >>>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-09 20:10 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <
>   >>>>>>>>>>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>   >>>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>>>> Have you actually tested that with 32bit version?
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>>>> Jussi
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>   >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>> A possible solution that allows installing 3.10 from PPA is
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Xubuntu 16.04
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gianluigi
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 19:27 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>> mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the problem its the winbuntu derived distro mint..
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> i installed gambas in the very older eeepc asus with 2G disk
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ssd internal, 512Mb ram and geode CPU 800MHz perfectly..
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but recent stupid linuxes (including recent kernel) now
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed a lot of support for older hardware lest take a example
> to xorg:
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> since 7.3 xorg does not support intel i810 complety, lie to
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> said that its supported due that chip does not offer 32bit dept
> only 16bit
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "true color" so newer xorg does not complety provide all the chip
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> capabilities
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so if you have intel 810 based chip and wants DIR and opengl,
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> xorg must be fewer rather thant 7.2 so an older linux must be used..
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my case i backporte gambas for older linuxes.. like debian
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lenny and squeeze perfectly.. of course, thanks to benoit that
> still does
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not "up" the requerimients...
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-08 13:47 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>:
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > here's what my friend replied.....
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Installing Mint 18.3 on Old & New PC's works OK.
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of disks space (250GB SATA).
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Plenty of memory (8GB).
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then add the ppa:gambas-team repo source.
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then apt-get update & then install gambas3.
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works ok on new PC's, but fails install on old PC's.
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > *Major difference is old CPU & Mobo.*
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Works /w AMD APU's & FX CPU's.
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Fails on Old PC's /w AMD Athlon CPU's.
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Interesting that installing Gambas 3.8.4 on the Old PC's
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Only Gambas 3.10 fails to install on the Old PC's.
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A possibly relevant difference between those systems is that
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMD Athlons
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are 32 bit, unless I'm mistaken. Maybe some dependencies are
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated for
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that architecture.
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway it would be time to provide some real error messages.
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it's the
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bitness or too high version requirements for some
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies that came
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since 3.8.4, the package manager should be able to say that.
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tobi
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" --
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Monk
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 19:58:20 2017
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 19:58:20 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] User Digest, Vol 3, Issue 18
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Le 11/12/2017 ? 14:20, Gary Hedquist a ?crit?:
> New Mobo, CPU, & memory parts on order.
> The old Athlon PC's will be upgraded to AMD APU's.
> Thanks for the Info, too bad Gambas doesn't post
> Hardware requirements on the web site.
> Gary H.

Gambas has no more hardware requirement than bash, so why do you want me 
to specify them?

I think you are confusing hardware requirements of a program and the 
hardware requirements of the distribution that compiled the program.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 20:02:15 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:02:15 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] User Digest, Vol 3, Issue 18
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the problem Benoit, its that MikeB was in a problem and was thinking that
gambas has some special requeriments

I dusted my Aladdin Super7 with K6-III+ 550 MHz (it was a prodigy against
the pentium II) and additional in the job I looked for some K7 equipment
(before "athlon" superset it), but I did not find any "athlon" ..
nevertheless I reiterate that at least I know that all athlon have sse and
this is a clue of why it does not work

one example when trying to install any distro on the K6, It fail by saying
that I needed a computer with PAE enabled. However the only distros that I
installed sussesfully in the K7 was debian and geento

an experience of nostalgia .. hehehe

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2017-12-11 14:58 GMT-04:00 Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com>:

> Le 11/12/2017 ? 14:20, Gary Hedquist a ?crit :
>
>> New Mobo, CPU, & memory parts on order.
>> The old Athlon PC's will be upgraded to AMD APU's.
>> Thanks for the Info, too bad Gambas doesn't post
>> Hardware requirements on the web site.
>> Gary H.
>>
>
> Gambas has no more hardware requirement than bash, so why do you want me
> to specify them?
>
> I think you are confusing hardware requirements of a program and the
> hardware requirements of the distribution that compiled the program.
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
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From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:07:40 +0100
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Hey PICCORO, If you wan't i have alway an old slack cd from 1994...
for dinosaurus

2017-12-11 20:02 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
> the problem Benoit, its that MikeB was in a problem and was thinking that
> gambas has some special requeriments
>
> I dusted my Aladdin Super7 with K6-III+ 550 MHz (it was a prodigy against
> the pentium II) and additional in the job I looked for some K7 equipment
> (before "athlon" superset it), but I did not find any "athlon" ..
> nevertheless I reiterate that at least I know that all athlon have sse and
> this is a clue of why it does not work
>
> one example when trying to install any distro on the K6, It fail by saying
> that I needed a computer with PAE enabled. However the only distros that I
> installed sussesfully in the K7 was debian and geento
>
> an experience of nostalgia .. hehehe
>
> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>
> 2017-12-11 14:58 GMT-04:00 Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com>:
>>
>> Le 11/12/2017 ? 14:20, Gary Hedquist a ?crit :
>>>
>>> New Mobo, CPU, & memory parts on order.
>>> The old Athlon PC's will be upgraded to AMD APU's.
>>> Thanks for the Info, too bad Gambas doesn't post
>>> Hardware requirements on the web site.
>>> Gary H.
>>
>>
>> Gambas has no more hardware requirement than bash, so why do you want me
>> to specify them?
>>
>> I think you are confusing hardware requirements of a program and the
>> hardware requirements of the distribution that compiled the program.
>>
>> --
>> Beno?t Minisini
>>
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Tue Dec 12 00:52:39 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 19:52:39 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] User Digest, Vol 3, Issue 18
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 <b0ef66e5-3c28-df61-55d6-8fdbc9247277@gmail.com>
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i have a i486 with SIMMs (those that only works as pairs) AMD DX4 working
with woody linux and DIRTYDOS 1.2

can you upload to openload and/or gdrive

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2017-12-11 17:07 GMT-04:00 Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com>:

> Hey PICCORO, If you wan't i have alway an old slack cd from 1994...
> for dinosaurus
>
> 2017-12-11 20:02 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
> > the problem Benoit, its that MikeB was in a problem and was thinking that
> > gambas has some special requeriments
> >
> > I dusted my Aladdin Super7 with K6-III+ 550 MHz (it was a prodigy against
> > the pentium II) and additional in the job I looked for some K7 equipment
> > (before "athlon" superset it), but I did not find any "athlon" ..
> > nevertheless I reiterate that at least I know that all athlon have sse
> and
> > this is a clue of why it does not work
> >
> > one example when trying to install any distro on the K6, It fail by
> saying
> > that I needed a computer with PAE enabled. However the only distros that
> I
> > installed sussesfully in the K7 was debian and geento
> >
> > an experience of nostalgia .. hehehe
> >
> > Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> > http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
> >
> > 2017-12-11 14:58 GMT-04:00 Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com>:
> >>
> >> Le 11/12/2017 ? 14:20, Gary Hedquist a ?crit :
> >>>
> >>> New Mobo, CPU, & memory parts on order.
> >>> The old Athlon PC's will be upgraded to AMD APU's.
> >>> Thanks for the Info, too bad Gambas doesn't post
> >>> Hardware requirements on the web site.
> >>> Gary H.
> >>
> >>
> >> Gambas has no more hardware requirement than bash, so why do you want me
> >> to specify them?
> >>
> >> I think you are confusing hardware requirements of a program and the
> >> hardware requirements of the distribution that compiled the program.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Beno?t Minisini
> >>
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >>
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> >>
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Tue Dec 12 00:55:00 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 19:55:00 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] User Digest, Vol 3, Issue 18
In-Reply-To: <CAFkCsL5iuZk+3T7qeWbdaYD1aRkndqT2M4t3hm58=SWsZrPiog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1512997621.22524.user@lists.gambas-basic.org>
 <trinity-6ee112ff-3f07-41a3-912c-bce9146911f8-1512998417877@3c-app-mailcom-bs09>
 <b0ef66e5-3c28-df61-55d6-8fdbc9247277@gmail.com>
 <CALci+FS+xPNGVxEoNgA8BF0OonszVR4BmUtTVwX7G-hQcd7PTw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFkCsL5iuZk+3T7qeWbdaYD1aRkndqT2M4t3hm58=SWsZrPiog@mail.gmail.com>
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i have a i486 with SIMMs (those that only works as pairs) AMD DX4 working
with woody linux and DIRTYDOS 1.2

can you upload to openload and/or gdrive,, but the K62 are not dinosaurs..
i write right now from here...

lest see, disruption of the energy power consecutivelly damage the
protector.. but my K62 does not need that protector... excelent

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2017-12-11 17:07 GMT-04:00 Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com>:

> Hey PICCORO, If you wan't i have alway an old slack cd from 1994...
> for dinosaurus
>
> 2017-12-11 20:02 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
> > the problem Benoit, its that MikeB was in a problem and was thinking that
> > gambas has some special requeriments
> >
> > I dusted my Aladdin Super7 with K6-III+ 550 MHz (it was a prodigy against
> > the pentium II) and additional in the job I looked for some K7 equipment
> > (before "athlon" superset it), but I did not find any "athlon" ..
> > nevertheless I reiterate that at least I know that all athlon have sse
> and
> > this is a clue of why it does not work
> >
> > one example when trying to install any distro on the K6, It fail by
> saying
> > that I needed a computer with PAE enabled. However the only distros that
> I
> > installed sussesfully in the K7 was debian and geento
> >
> > an experience of nostalgia .. hehehe
> >
> > Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> > http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
> >
> > 2017-12-11 14:58 GMT-04:00 Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com>:
> >>
> >> Le 11/12/2017 ? 14:20, Gary Hedquist a ?crit :
> >>>
> >>> New Mobo, CPU, & memory parts on order.
> >>> The old Athlon PC's will be upgraded to AMD APU's.
> >>> Thanks for the Info, too bad Gambas doesn't post
> >>> Hardware requirements on the web site.
> >>> Gary H.
> >>
> >>
> >> Gambas has no more hardware requirement than bash, so why do you want me
> >> to specify them?
> >>
> >> I think you are confusing hardware requirements of a program and the
> >> hardware requirements of the distribution that compiled the program.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Beno?t Minisini
> >>
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> This is the Gambas Mailing List
> >> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
> >>
> >> Hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
>
>
>
> --
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>
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From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Tue Dec 12 18:21:18 2017
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:21:18 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] gambas3-gb-web-feed not documented on wiki?
Message-ID: <432a2539-90d3-f735-3746-0a61d6d967c1@gmail.com>

In preparation for doing some RSS work, I am researching to see what programming language has the libraries/components that 
might be useful. Of course, my first choice was Gambas. So, I looked at http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp to see if there is a RSS 
utility component. I found none.

So then, looking at the software available through my distro's package manager I noticed gambas3-gb-web-feed. Thinking I perhaps 
missed it on the wiki, I took another look. I still don't see it.

Is this an oversight, or am I not looking hard enough?


-- 
Lee

From taboege at gmail.com  Tue Dec 12 18:45:57 2017
From: taboege at gmail.com (Tobias Boege)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:45:57 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] gambas3-gb-web-feed not documented on wiki?
In-Reply-To: <432a2539-90d3-f735-3746-0a61d6d967c1@gmail.com>
References: <432a2539-90d3-f735-3746-0a61d6d967c1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20171212174557.GH894@highrise.localdomain>

On Tue, 12 Dec 2017, T Lee Davidson wrote:
> In preparation for doing some RSS work, I am researching to see what
> programming language has the libraries/components that might be useful. Of
> course, my first choice was Gambas. So, I looked at
> http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp to see if there is a RSS utility component.
> I found none.
> 
> So then, looking at the software available through my distro's package
> manager I noticed gambas3-gb-web-feed. Thinking I perhaps missed it on the
> wiki, I took another look. I still don't see it.
> 
> Is this an oversight, or am I not looking hard enough?
> 

Yes, it's missing from the component index, probably because it's new with
Gambas 3.10 (that page has to be regenerated by the server software to take
the new component into account, I suppose).

The documentation itself is available in the wiki already: [1]. These pages
are automatically generated from my in-source documentation, but the class-
level help seems to be missing from the wiki. Your best bet for the complete
picture of how the component works is (as always) to look into the source code.
The component is written in Gambas and is mostly translating between a tree
of Gambas objects and an XML document, but do ask if you have a question.

Note that there might be changes to some part of the interface concerning
Dates in the future, to take timezones into account (and I still believe
there are problems with the timezone conversion in Date.ToRFC822).
I talked about these with Benoit multiple times [2][3] but we never
reached a conclusion that I could work with.

Regards,
Tobi

[1] http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp/gb.web.feed
[2] https://lists.gambas-basic.org/pipermail/user/2017-April/059915.html
[3] https://lists.gambas-basic.org/pipermail/devel/2017-July/006148.html

-- 
"There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 12 18:57:37 2017
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:57:37 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] gambas3-gb-web-feed not documented on wiki?
In-Reply-To: <20171212174557.GH894@highrise.localdomain>
References: <432a2539-90d3-f735-3746-0a61d6d967c1@gmail.com>
 <20171212174557.GH894@highrise.localdomain>
Message-ID: <ac61098f-8d3f-9344-7237-d33ae15e69e7@gmail.com>

Le 12/12/2017 ? 18:45, Tobias Boege a ?crit?:
> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017, T Lee Davidson wrote:
>> In preparation for doing some RSS work, I am researching to see what
>> programming language has the libraries/components that might be useful. Of
>> course, my first choice was Gambas. So, I looked at
>> http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp to see if there is a RSS utility component.
>> I found none.
>>
>> So then, looking at the software available through my distro's package
>> manager I noticed gambas3-gb-web-feed. Thinking I perhaps missed it on the
>> wiki, I took another look. I still don't see it.
>>
>> Is this an oversight, or am I not looking hard enough?
>>
> 
> Yes, it's missing from the component index, probably because it's new with
> Gambas 3.10 (that page has to be regenerated by the server software to take
> the new component into account, I suppose).
> 
> The documentation itself is available in the wiki already: [1]. These pages
> are automatically generated from my in-source documentation, but the class-
> level help seems to be missing from the wiki. Your best bet for the complete
> picture of how the component works is (as always) to look into the source code.
> The component is written in Gambas and is mostly translating between a tree
> of Gambas objects and an XML document, but do ask if you have a question.
> 
> Note that there might be changes to some part of the interface concerning
> Dates in the future, to take timezones into account (and I still believe
> there are problems with the timezone conversion in Date.ToRFC822).
> I talked about these with Benoit multiple times [2][3] but we never
> reached a conclusion that I could work with.
> 
> Regards,
> Tobi
> 
> [1] http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp/gb.web.feed
> [2] https://lists.gambas-basic.org/pipermail/user/2017-April/059915.html
> [3] https://lists.gambas-basic.org/pipermail/devel/2017-July/006148.html
> 

I just added it to the component wiki index. It has to be done manually.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Tue Dec 12 20:14:18 2017
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 14:14:18 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] gambas3-gb-web-feed not documented on wiki?
In-Reply-To: <ac61098f-8d3f-9344-7237-d33ae15e69e7@gmail.com>
References: <432a2539-90d3-f735-3746-0a61d6d967c1@gmail.com>
 <20171212174557.GH894@highrise.localdomain>
 <ac61098f-8d3f-9344-7237-d33ae15e69e7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60e17610-b980-44a1-70e6-fa77f959825e@gmail.com>

On 12/12/2017 12:57 PM, Beno?t Minisini wrote:
> Le 12/12/2017 ? 18:45, Tobias Boege a ?crit?:
>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017, T Lee Davidson wrote:
>>> In preparation for doing some RSS work, I am researching to see what
>>> programming language has the libraries/components that might be useful. Of
>>> course, my first choice was Gambas. So, I looked at
>>> http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp to see if there is a RSS utility component.
>>> I found none.
>>>
>>> So then, looking at the software available through my distro's package
>>> manager I noticed gambas3-gb-web-feed. Thinking I perhaps missed it on the
>>> wiki, I took another look. I still don't see it.
>>>
>>> Is this an oversight, or am I not looking hard enough?
>>>
>>
>> Yes, it's missing from the component index, probably because it's new with
>> Gambas 3.10 (that page has to be regenerated by the server software to take
>> the new component into account, I suppose).
>>
>> The documentation itself is available in the wiki already: [1]. These pages
>> are automatically generated from my in-source documentation, but the class-
>> level help seems to be missing from the wiki. Your best bet for the complete
>> picture of how the component works is (as always) to look into the source code.
>> The component is written in Gambas and is mostly translating between a tree
>> of Gambas objects and an XML document, but do ask if you have a question.
>>
>> Note that there might be changes to some part of the interface concerning
>> Dates in the future, to take timezones into account (and I still believe
>> there are problems with the timezone conversion in Date.ToRFC822).
>> I talked about these with Benoit multiple times [2][3] but we never
>> reached a conclusion that I could work with.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tobi
>>
>> [1] http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp/gb.web.feed
>> [2] https://lists.gambas-basic.org/pipermail/user/2017-April/059915.html
>> [3] https://lists.gambas-basic.org/pipermail/devel/2017-July/006148.html
>>
> 
> I just added it to the component wiki index. It has to be done manually.
> 

Thank you both, Tobi and Beno?t.

On a side note, not seeing the new gb.web.feed link until I manually refreshed the page made me wonder if it might be useful to 
add a HTML Expires meta to the wiki pages for those who don't know a new link should be there.


-- 
Lee

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 03:22:31 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 22:22:31 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] gambas3-gb-web-feed not documented on wiki?
In-Reply-To: <60e17610-b980-44a1-70e6-fa77f959825e@gmail.com>
References: <432a2539-90d3-f735-3746-0a61d6d967c1@gmail.com>
 <20171212174557.GH894@highrise.localdomain>
 <ac61098f-8d3f-9344-7237-d33ae15e69e7@gmail.com>
 <60e17610-b980-44a1-70e6-fa77f959825e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALci+FR88fNZ+L+e-xkJge3egbkz7CbsUCaMrHURcmL3-HyF1w@mail.gmail.com>

if you are using newer firefox the html expires meta does not have any
effect!

now firefox and chrome/chromium has their own "cache implementation
technology" apart of the cache implemented at server side

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2017-12-12 15:14 GMT-04:00 T Lee Davidson <t.lee.davidson at gmail.com>:

> On 12/12/2017 12:57 PM, Beno?t Minisini wrote:
>
>> Le 12/12/2017 ? 18:45, Tobias Boege a ?crit :
>>
>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017, T Lee Davidson wrote:
>>>
>>>> In preparation for doing some RSS work, I am researching to see what
>>>> programming language has the libraries/components that might be useful.
>>>> Of
>>>> course, my first choice was Gambas. So, I looked at
>>>> http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp to see if there is a RSS utility
>>>> component.
>>>> I found none.
>>>>
>>>> So then, looking at the software available through my distro's package
>>>> manager I noticed gambas3-gb-web-feed. Thinking I perhaps missed it on
>>>> the
>>>> wiki, I took another look. I still don't see it.
>>>>
>>>> Is this an oversight, or am I not looking hard enough?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yes, it's missing from the component index, probably because it's new
>>> with
>>> Gambas 3.10 (that page has to be regenerated by the server software to
>>> take
>>> the new component into account, I suppose).
>>>
>>> The documentation itself is available in the wiki already: [1]. These
>>> pages
>>> are automatically generated from my in-source documentation, but the
>>> class-
>>> level help seems to be missing from the wiki. Your best bet for the
>>> complete
>>> picture of how the component works is (as always) to look into the
>>> source code.
>>> The component is written in Gambas and is mostly translating between a
>>> tree
>>> of Gambas objects and an XML document, but do ask if you have a question.
>>>
>>> Note that there might be changes to some part of the interface concerning
>>> Dates in the future, to take timezones into account (and I still believe
>>> there are problems with the timezone conversion in Date.ToRFC822).
>>> I talked about these with Benoit multiple times [2][3] but we never
>>> reached a conclusion that I could work with.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Tobi
>>>
>>> [1] http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/comp/gb.web.feed
>>> [2] https://lists.gambas-basic.org/pipermail/user/2017-April/059915.html
>>> [3] https://lists.gambas-basic.org/pipermail/devel/2017-July/006148.html
>>>
>>>
>> I just added it to the component wiki index. It has to be done manually.
>>
>>
> Thank you both, Tobi and Beno?t.
>
> On a side note, not seeing the new gb.web.feed link until I manually
> refreshed the page made me wonder if it might be useful to add a HTML
> Expires meta to the wiki pages for those who don't know a new link should
> be there.
>
>
> --
> Lee
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
>
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> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
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From mb at code-it.com  Wed Dec 13 04:16:54 2017
From: mb at code-it.com (mikeB)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:16:54 -0700
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
Message-ID: <e3460437-acbd-9607-9905-99457a9d733b@code-it.com>

On my web site, that I offer software programmed using Gambas, I have a 
notice :
***********************************************************************
VERY IMPORTANT: before installing this app you will need to install 
Gambas Runtime  v10 files - most systems will not have these very new 
files installed yet.

Do so via the terminal commands:
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
sudo apt-get update
***********************************************************************
Now that Gambas runtime 10 files are more common - being install by the 
Distro - is there a way for the user (terminal command) to check if they 
are installed?

This is a real newbie question I'm sure but hey.. I'm a newbie!
Thanks for any all help on this matter and have a GREAT day,
mikeB

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 04:34:46 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 23:34:46 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
In-Reply-To: <e3460437-acbd-9607-9905-99457a9d733b@code-it.com>
References: <e3460437-acbd-9607-9905-99457a9d733b@code-it.com>
Message-ID: <CALci+FQ6Uc=7cCfuvCwO50FZp02v6d0de8tjqmrSc15TTiWcKQ@mail.gmail.com>

umm the question in fact its  instersting if we are at user side!

maybe a bash/tch script qut run "gambas3" and confirm that returns the
version..

actually the hardinfo project checks if gambas are present and installed
correctly i the os

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2017-12-12 23:16 GMT-04:00 mikeB <mb at code-it.com>:

> On my web site, that I offer software programmed using Gambas, I have a
> notice :
> ***********************************************************************
> VERY IMPORTANT: before installing this app you will need to install Gambas
> Runtime  v10 files - most systems will not have these very new files
> installed yet.
>
> Do so via the terminal commands:
> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
> sudo apt-get update
> ***********************************************************************
> Now that Gambas runtime 10 files are more common - being install by the
> Distro - is there a way for the user (terminal command) to check if they
> are installed?
>
> This is a real newbie question I'm sure but hey.. I'm a newbie!
> Thanks for any all help on this matter and have a GREAT day,
> mikeB
>
> --------------------------------------------------
>
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> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
>
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From taboege at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 08:54:50 2017
From: taboege at gmail.com (Tobias Boege)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 08:54:50 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
In-Reply-To: <e3460437-acbd-9607-9905-99457a9d733b@code-it.com>
References: <e3460437-acbd-9607-9905-99457a9d733b@code-it.com>
Message-ID: <20171213075450.GI894@highrise.localdomain>

On Tue, 12 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
> On my web site, that I offer software programmed using Gambas, I have a
> notice :
> ***********************************************************************
> VERY IMPORTANT: before installing this app you will need to install Gambas
> Runtime  v10 files - most systems will not have these very new files
> installed yet.
> 
> Do so via the terminal commands:
> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
> sudo apt-get update
> ***********************************************************************
> Now that Gambas runtime 10 files are more common - being install by the
> Distro - is there a way for the user (terminal command) to check if they are
> installed?
> 
> This is a real newbie question I'm sure but hey.. I'm a newbie!
> Thanks for any all help on this matter and have a GREAT day,
> mikeB
> 

First check if the interpreter gbx3 is found in PATH, using the "which"
utility. If not, I wouldn't call Gambas properly installed (although
some people might disagree -- it's their computer -- but then they will
be able to figure their Gambas version out themselves).

Once you have that, the System class has FullVersion which gives you the
Gambas version as a string and you can compare it like this:

  $ gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0'

Comp will return the sign (-1, 0 or 1) of subtracting the version 3.10
from your Gambas version. You want the comparison to yield 0 or 1.
With the above line, you will see either the string "True" or "False"
printed to the terminal; you can make the output fancier.

NOTE: gb.Natural makes the comparison by natural sort, which is appropriate
to compare version numbers. Observe:

  $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10")'
  1
  $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10", gb.Natural)'
  -1

Because "2" comes before "1" in the alphabet, the default lexicographic
comparison mode declares the string "3.2" to be greater than "3.10",
but gb.Natural gets it right.

Also never coerce the string version into a float for easier comparison
because you'll run into nasty bugs caused by float roundoff.

Regards,
Tobi

-- 
"There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk

From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 14:21:22 2017
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 15:21:22 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
In-Reply-To: <20171213075450.GI894@highrise.localdomain>
References: <e3460437-acbd-9607-9905-99457a9d733b@code-it.com>
 <20171213075450.GI894@highrise.localdomain>
Message-ID: <CAFJMe7SkFHMT29+ckZzLF+u=JatmQGddktoP5VTcxDq1sWSX6w@mail.gmail.com>

gbx3 -V
or
gbx3 --version

Works also...


Jussi

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
> > On my web site, that I offer software programmed using Gambas, I have a
> > notice :
> > ***********************************************************************
> > VERY IMPORTANT: before installing this app you will need to install
> Gambas
> > Runtime  v10 files - most systems will not have these very new files
> > installed yet.
> >
> > Do so via the terminal commands:
> > sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
> > sudo apt-get update
> > ***********************************************************************
> > Now that Gambas runtime 10 files are more common - being install by the
> > Distro - is there a way for the user (terminal command) to check if they
> are
> > installed?
> >
> > This is a real newbie question I'm sure but hey.. I'm a newbie!
> > Thanks for any all help on this matter and have a GREAT day,
> > mikeB
> >
>
> First check if the interpreter gbx3 is found in PATH, using the "which"
> utility. If not, I wouldn't call Gambas properly installed (although
> some people might disagree -- it's their computer -- but then they will
> be able to figure their Gambas version out themselves).
>
> Once you have that, the System class has FullVersion which gives you the
> Gambas version as a string and you can compare it like this:
>
>   $ gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0'
>
> Comp will return the sign (-1, 0 or 1) of subtracting the version 3.10
> from your Gambas version. You want the comparison to yield 0 or 1.
> With the above line, you will see either the string "True" or "False"
> printed to the terminal; you can make the output fancier.
>
> NOTE: gb.Natural makes the comparison by natural sort, which is appropriate
> to compare version numbers. Observe:
>
>   $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10")'
>   1
>   $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10", gb.Natural)'
>   -1
>
> Because "2" comes before "1" in the alphabet, the default lexicographic
> comparison mode declares the string "3.2" to be greater than "3.10",
> but gb.Natural gets it right.
>
> Also never coerce the string version into a float for easier comparison
> because you'll run into nasty bugs caused by float roundoff.
>
> Regards,
> Tobi
>
> --
> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk
>
> --------------------------------------------------
>
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 15:43:02 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:43:02 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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the suggestin from tobias are the best for check a specific version string,
due return a exact result, not an interpretative result

good, but only works if gambas are installed, if not return "commando not
found"



Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2017-12-13 9:21 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:

> gbx3 -V
> or
> gbx3 --version
>
> Works also...
>
>
> Jussi
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>> > On my web site, that I offer software programmed using Gambas, I have a
>> > notice :
>> > ***********************************************************************
>> > VERY IMPORTANT: before installing this app you will need to install
>> Gambas
>> > Runtime  v10 files - most systems will not have these very new files
>> > installed yet.
>> >
>> > Do so via the terminal commands:
>> > sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
>> > sudo apt-get update
>> > ***********************************************************************
>> > Now that Gambas runtime 10 files are more common - being install by the
>> > Distro - is there a way for the user (terminal command) to check if
>> they are
>> > installed?
>> >
>> > This is a real newbie question I'm sure but hey.. I'm a newbie!
>> > Thanks for any all help on this matter and have a GREAT day,
>> > mikeB
>> >
>>
>> First check if the interpreter gbx3 is found in PATH, using the "which"
>> utility. If not, I wouldn't call Gambas properly installed (although
>> some people might disagree -- it's their computer -- but then they will
>> be able to figure their Gambas version out themselves).
>>
>> Once you have that, the System class has FullVersion which gives you the
>> Gambas version as a string and you can compare it like this:
>>
>>   $ gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0'
>>
>> Comp will return the sign (-1, 0 or 1) of subtracting the version 3.10
>> from your Gambas version. You want the comparison to yield 0 or 1.
>> With the above line, you will see either the string "True" or "False"
>> printed to the terminal; you can make the output fancier.
>>
>> NOTE: gb.Natural makes the comparison by natural sort, which is
>> appropriate
>> to compare version numbers. Observe:
>>
>>   $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10")'
>>   1
>>   $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10", gb.Natural)'
>>   -1
>>
>> Because "2" comes before "1" in the alphabet, the default lexicographic
>> comparison mode declares the string "3.2" to be greater than "3.10",
>> but gb.Natural gets it right.
>>
>> Also never coerce the string version into a float for easier comparison
>> because you'll run into nasty bugs caused by float roundoff.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tobi
>>
>> --
>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>>
>> This is the Gambas Mailing List
>> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
>>
>> Hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
>>
>
>
>
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From mb at code-it.com  Wed Dec 13 16:26:32 2017
From: mb at code-it.com (mikeB)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 08:26:32 -0700
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
In-Reply-To: <CALci+FRnFjb0yYH9xySKhd-y=HigxrVAW=gwyy_wRM+yPzB-qA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e3460437-acbd-9607-9905-99457a9d733b@code-it.com>
 <20171213075450.GI894@highrise.localdomain>
 <CAFJMe7SkFHMT29+ckZzLF+u=JatmQGddktoP5VTcxDq1sWSX6w@mail.gmail.com>
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thats what i was thinking (works only if Gambas is installed) but wasn't 
sure.

I really would prefer NOT to force the end user to install Gambas but
only the v10 runtime files that are required to run the Gambas developed
software/ program. A terminal command to just check if the v10 runtime 
files are installed is really what I was looking for;-)

thanks to all that have taken to time to respond -
it's highly APPRECIATED! Have learned something from every post.
mikeB

On 12/13/2017 07:43 AM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
> the suggestin from tobias are the best for check a specific version string,
> due return a exact result, not an interpretative result
> 
> good, but only works if gambas are installed, if not return "commando not
> found"
> 
> 
> 
> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
> 
> 2017-12-13 9:21 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
> 
>> gbx3 -V
>> or
>> gbx3 --version
>>
>> Works also...
>>
>>
>> Jussi
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>>> On my web site, that I offer software programmed using Gambas, I have a
>>>> notice :
>>>> ***********************************************************************
>>>> VERY IMPORTANT: before installing this app you will need to install
>>> Gambas
>>>> Runtime  v10 files - most systems will not have these very new files
>>>> installed yet.
>>>>
>>>> Do so via the terminal commands:
>>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
>>>> sudo apt-get update
>>>> ***********************************************************************
>>>> Now that Gambas runtime 10 files are more common - being install by the
>>>> Distro - is there a way for the user (terminal command) to check if
>>> they are
>>>> installed?
>>>>
>>>> This is a real newbie question I'm sure but hey.. I'm a newbie!
>>>> Thanks for any all help on this matter and have a GREAT day,
>>>> mikeB
>>>>
>>>
>>> First check if the interpreter gbx3 is found in PATH, using the "which"
>>> utility. If not, I wouldn't call Gambas properly installed (although
>>> some people might disagree -- it's their computer -- but then they will
>>> be able to figure their Gambas version out themselves).
>>>
>>> Once you have that, the System class has FullVersion which gives you the
>>> Gambas version as a string and you can compare it like this:
>>>
>>>    $ gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0'
>>>
>>> Comp will return the sign (-1, 0 or 1) of subtracting the version 3.10
>>> from your Gambas version. You want the comparison to yield 0 or 1.
>>> With the above line, you will see either the string "True" or "False"
>>> printed to the terminal; you can make the output fancier.
>>>
>>> NOTE: gb.Natural makes the comparison by natural sort, which is
>>> appropriate
>>> to compare version numbers. Observe:
>>>
>>>    $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10")'
>>>    1
>>>    $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10", gb.Natural)'
>>>    -1
>>>
>>> Because "2" comes before "1" in the alphabet, the default lexicographic
>>> comparison mode declares the string "3.2" to be greater than "3.10",
>>> but gb.Natural gets it right.
>>>
>>> Also never coerce the string version into a float for easier comparison
>>> because you'll run into nasty bugs caused by float roundoff.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Tobi
>>>
>>> --
>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> This is the Gambas Mailing List
>>> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
>>>
>>> Hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From karl.reinl at fen-net.de  Wed Dec 13 16:44:08 2017
From: karl.reinl at fen-net.de (Karl Reinl)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 16:44:08 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
In-Reply-To: <1c01c9b0-dc0c-0acd-bbcb-06d00a0cae56@code-it.com>
References: <e3460437-acbd-9607-9905-99457a9d733b@code-it.com>
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 <CAFJMe7SkFHMT29+ckZzLF+u=JatmQGddktoP5VTcxDq1sWSX6w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALci+FRnFjb0yYH9xySKhd-y=HigxrVAW=gwyy_wRM+yPzB-qA@mail.gmail.com>
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Am Mittwoch, den 13.12.2017, 08:26 -0700 schrieb mikeB:
> thats what i was thinking (works only if Gambas is installed) but wasn't 
> sure.
> 
> I really would prefer NOT to force the end user to install Gambas but
> only the v10 runtime files that are required to run the Gambas developed
> software/ program. A terminal command to just check if the v10 runtime 
> files are installed is really what I was looking for;-)
> 
> thanks to all that have taken to time to respond -
> it's highly APPRECIATED! Have learned something from every post.
> mikeB
> 
> On 12/13/2017 07:43 AM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
> > the suggestin from tobias are the best for check a specific version string,
> > due return a exact result, not an interpretative result
> > 
> > good, but only works if gambas are installed, if not return "commando not
> > found"
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> > http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
> > 
> > 2017-12-13 9:21 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
> > 
> >> gbx3 -V
> >> or
> >> gbx3 --version
> >>
> >> Works also...
> >>
> >>
> >> Jussi
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
> >>>> On my web site, that I offer software programmed using Gambas, I have a
> >>>> notice :
> >>>> ***********************************************************************
> >>>> VERY IMPORTANT: before installing this app you will need to install
> >>> Gambas
> >>>> Runtime  v10 files - most systems will not have these very new files
> >>>> installed yet.
> >>>>
> >>>> Do so via the terminal commands:
> >>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
> >>>> sudo apt-get update
> >>>> ***********************************************************************
> >>>> Now that Gambas runtime 10 files are more common - being install by the
> >>>> Distro - is there a way for the user (terminal command) to check if
> >>> they are
> >>>> installed?
> >>>>
> >>>> This is a real newbie question I'm sure but hey.. I'm a newbie!
> >>>> Thanks for any all help on this matter and have a GREAT day,
> >>>> mikeB
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> First check if the interpreter gbx3 is found in PATH, using the "which"
> >>> utility. If not, I wouldn't call Gambas properly installed (although
> >>> some people might disagree -- it's their computer -- but then they will
> >>> be able to figure their Gambas version out themselves).
> >>>
> >>> Once you have that, the System class has FullVersion which gives you the
> >>> Gambas version as a string and you can compare it like this:
> >>>
> >>>    $ gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0'
> >>>
> >>> Comp will return the sign (-1, 0 or 1) of subtracting the version 3.10
> >>> from your Gambas version. You want the comparison to yield 0 or 1.
> >>> With the above line, you will see either the string "True" or "False"
> >>> printed to the terminal; you can make the output fancier.
> >>>
> >>> NOTE: gb.Natural makes the comparison by natural sort, which is
> >>> appropriate
> >>> to compare version numbers. Observe:
> >>>
> >>>    $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10")'
> >>>    1
> >>>    $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10", gb.Natural)'
> >>>    -1
> >>>
> >>> Because "2" comes before "1" in the alphabet, the default lexicographic
> >>> comparison mode declares the string "3.2" to be greater than "3.10",
> >>> but gb.Natural gets it right.
> >>>
> >>> Also never coerce the string version into a float for easier comparison
> >>> because you'll run into nasty bugs caused by float roundoff.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Tobi
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk
> >>>
> >>

Salut mikeB,

reread what Tobi wrote: "which" is the magic command for that.

-- 
Amicalement
Charlie


From mb at code-it.com  Wed Dec 13 18:33:23 2017
From: mb at code-it.com (mikeB)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:33:23 -0700
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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OKAY then - I'll try that (what Tobi wrote). I just didn't really 
understand it but I will after hack'n at it for awhile;-)
THANKS - we can put this subject to bed unless someone has
something else,
mikeB



On 12/13/2017 08:44 AM, Karl Reinl wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, den 13.12.2017, 08:26 -0700 schrieb mikeB:
>> thats what i was thinking (works only if Gambas is installed) but wasn't
>> sure.
>>
>> I really would prefer NOT to force the end user to install Gambas but
>> only the v10 runtime files that are required to run the Gambas developed
>> software/ program. A terminal command to just check if the v10 runtime
>> files are installed is really what I was looking for;-)
>>
>> thanks to all that have taken to time to respond -
>> it's highly APPRECIATED! Have learned something from every post.
>> mikeB
>>
>> On 12/13/2017 07:43 AM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
>>> the suggestin from tobias are the best for check a specific version string,
>>> due return a exact result, not an interpretative result
>>>
>>> good, but only works if gambas are installed, if not return "commando not
>>> found"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> 2017-12-13 9:21 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> gbx3 -V
>>>> or
>>>> gbx3 --version
>>>>
>>>> Works also...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jussi
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>> On my web site, that I offer software programmed using Gambas, I have a
>>>>>> notice :
>>>>>> ***********************************************************************
>>>>>> VERY IMPORTANT: before installing this app you will need to install
>>>>> Gambas
>>>>>> Runtime  v10 files - most systems will not have these very new files
>>>>>> installed yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do so via the terminal commands:
>>>>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
>>>>>> sudo apt-get update
>>>>>> ***********************************************************************
>>>>>> Now that Gambas runtime 10 files are more common - being install by the
>>>>>> Distro - is there a way for the user (terminal command) to check if
>>>>> they are
>>>>>> installed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a real newbie question I'm sure but hey.. I'm a newbie!
>>>>>> Thanks for any all help on this matter and have a GREAT day,
>>>>>> mikeB
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> First check if the interpreter gbx3 is found in PATH, using the "which"
>>>>> utility. If not, I wouldn't call Gambas properly installed (although
>>>>> some people might disagree -- it's their computer -- but then they will
>>>>> be able to figure their Gambas version out themselves).
>>>>>
>>>>> Once you have that, the System class has FullVersion which gives you the
>>>>> Gambas version as a string and you can compare it like this:
>>>>>
>>>>>     $ gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0'
>>>>>
>>>>> Comp will return the sign (-1, 0 or 1) of subtracting the version 3.10
>>>>> from your Gambas version. You want the comparison to yield 0 or 1.
>>>>> With the above line, you will see either the string "True" or "False"
>>>>> printed to the terminal; you can make the output fancier.
>>>>>
>>>>> NOTE: gb.Natural makes the comparison by natural sort, which is
>>>>> appropriate
>>>>> to compare version numbers. Observe:
>>>>>
>>>>>     $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10")'
>>>>>     1
>>>>>     $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10", gb.Natural)'
>>>>>     -1
>>>>>
>>>>> Because "2" comes before "1" in the alphabet, the default lexicographic
>>>>> comparison mode declares the string "3.2" to be greater than "3.10",
>>>>> but gb.Natural gets it right.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also never coerce the string version into a float for easier comparison
>>>>> because you'll run into nasty bugs caused by float roundoff.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Tobi
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk
>>>>>
>>>>
> 
> Salut mikeB,
> 
> reread what Tobi wrote: "which" is the magic command for that.
> 

From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 19:02:08 2017
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:02:08 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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[shell-script]
#!/bin/bash

which gbx3 &>/dev/null
if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then
    echo "Gambas runtime (gbx3) not found in path. Cannot continue."
    exit 1 # arbitrary exit code of your choice
fi

if [[ $(gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0') == "False" ]]; then
    echo "So sorry."
    exit 2 # also an arbitrary exit code
fi

# Great, do Gambas stuff now
[/shell-script]

The line under the "which" statement basically says, "If the exit code from the 'which' command is not equal to zero, then..."


Strangely on my system, this prints, "So sorry," even though my package manager says version 3.10.0 of gambas-runtime is
installed. I have to assume that's an issue with the packager.


-- 
Lee

On 12/13/2017 12:33 PM, mikeB wrote:
> OKAY then - I'll try that (what Tobi wrote). I just didn't really understand it but I will after hack'n at it for awhile;-)
> THANKS - we can put this subject to bed unless someone has
> something else,
> mikeB
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/13/2017 08:44 AM, Karl Reinl wrote:
>> Am Mittwoch, den 13.12.2017, 08:26 -0700 schrieb mikeB:
>>> thats what i was thinking (works only if Gambas is installed) but wasn't
>>> sure.
>>>
>>> I really would prefer NOT to force the end user to install Gambas but
>>> only the v10 runtime files that are required to run the Gambas developed
>>> software/ program. A terminal command to just check if the v10 runtime
>>> files are installed is really what I was looking for;-)
>>>
>>> thanks to all that have taken to time to respond -
>>> it's highly APPRECIATED! Have learned something from every post.
>>> mikeB
>>>
>>> On 12/13/2017 07:43 AM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
>>>> the suggestin from tobias are the best for check a specific version string,
>>>> due return a exact result, not an interpretative result
>>>>
>>>> good, but only works if gambas are installed, if not return "commando not
>>>> found"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>
>>>> 2017-12-13 9:21 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> gbx3 -V
>>>>> or
>>>>> gbx3 --version
>>>>>
>>>>> Works also...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>>> On my web site, that I offer software programmed using Gambas, I have a
>>>>>>> notice :
>>>>>>> ***********************************************************************
>>>>>>> VERY IMPORTANT: before installing this app you will need to install
>>>>>> Gambas
>>>>>>> Runtime? v10 files - most systems will not have these very new files
>>>>>>> installed yet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do so via the terminal commands:
>>>>>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
>>>>>>> sudo apt-get update
>>>>>>> ***********************************************************************
>>>>>>> Now that Gambas runtime 10 files are more common - being install by the
>>>>>>> Distro - is there a way for the user (terminal command) to check if
>>>>>> they are
>>>>>>> installed?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is a real newbie question I'm sure but hey.. I'm a newbie!
>>>>>>> Thanks for any all help on this matter and have a GREAT day,
>>>>>>> mikeB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First check if the interpreter gbx3 is found in PATH, using the "which"
>>>>>> utility. If not, I wouldn't call Gambas properly installed (although
>>>>>> some people might disagree -- it's their computer -- but then they will
>>>>>> be able to figure their Gambas version out themselves).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once you have that, the System class has FullVersion which gives you the
>>>>>> Gambas version as a string and you can compare it like this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ??? $ gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Comp will return the sign (-1, 0 or 1) of subtracting the version 3.10
>>>>>> from your Gambas version. You want the comparison to yield 0 or 1.
>>>>>> With the above line, you will see either the string "True" or "False"
>>>>>> printed to the terminal; you can make the output fancier.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NOTE: gb.Natural makes the comparison by natural sort, which is
>>>>>> appropriate
>>>>>> to compare version numbers. Observe:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ??? $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10")'
>>>>>> ??? 1
>>>>>> ??? $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10", gb.Natural)'
>>>>>> ??? -1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because "2" comes before "1" in the alphabet, the default lexicographic
>>>>>> comparison mode declares the string "3.2" to be greater than "3.10",
>>>>>> but gb.Natural gets it right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also never coerce the string version into a float for easier comparison
>>>>>> because you'll run into nasty bugs caused by float roundoff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Tobi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>> Salut mikeB,
>>
>> reread what Tobi wrote: "which" is the magic command for that.
>>
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 19:25:45 2017
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 20:25:45 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
In-Reply-To: <e22c0240-2532-0b09-dfb9-1c4e35b9ad74@gmail.com>
References: <e3460437-acbd-9607-9905-99457a9d733b@code-it.com>
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There is standard for exit codes.
http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/exitcodes.html


Jussi

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:02 PM, T Lee Davidson <t.lee.davidson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> [shell-script]
> #!/bin/bash
>
> which gbx3 &>/dev/null
> if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then
>     echo "Gambas runtime (gbx3) not found in path. Cannot continue."
>     exit 1 # arbitrary exit code of your choice
> fi
>
> if [[ $(gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0') ==
> "False" ]]; then
>     echo "So sorry."
>     exit 2 # also an arbitrary exit code
> fi
>
> # Great, do Gambas stuff now
> [/shell-script]
>
> The line under the "which" statement basically says, "If the exit code
> from the 'which' command is not equal to zero, then..."
>
>
> Strangely on my system, this prints, "So sorry," even though my package
> manager says version 3.10.0 of gambas-runtime is
> installed. I have to assume that's an issue with the packager.
>
>
> --
> Lee
>
> On 12/13/2017 12:33 PM, mikeB wrote:
> > OKAY then - I'll try that (what Tobi wrote). I just didn't really
> understand it but I will after hack'n at it for awhile;-)
> > THANKS - we can put this subject to bed unless someone has
> > something else,
> > mikeB
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/13/2017 08:44 AM, Karl Reinl wrote:
> >> Am Mittwoch, den 13.12.2017, 08:26 -0700 schrieb mikeB:
> >>> thats what i was thinking (works only if Gambas is installed) but
> wasn't
> >>> sure.
> >>>
> >>> I really would prefer NOT to force the end user to install Gambas but
> >>> only the v10 runtime files that are required to run the Gambas
> developed
> >>> software/ program. A terminal command to just check if the v10 runtime
> >>> files are installed is really what I was looking for;-)
> >>>
> >>> thanks to all that have taken to time to respond -
> >>> it's highly APPRECIATED! Have learned something from every post.
> >>> mikeB
> >>>
> >>> On 12/13/2017 07:43 AM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
> >>>> the suggestin from tobias are the best for check a specific version
> string,
> >>>> due return a exact result, not an interpretative result
> >>>>
> >>>> good, but only works if gambas are installed, if not return "commando
> not
> >>>> found"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> >>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
> >>>>
> >>>> 2017-12-13 9:21 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
> >>>>
> >>>>> gbx3 -V
> >>>>> or
> >>>>> gbx3 --version
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Works also...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jussi
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
> >>>>>>> On my web site, that I offer software programmed using Gambas, I
> have a
> >>>>>>> notice :
> >>>>>>> ************************************************************
> ***********
> >>>>>>> VERY IMPORTANT: before installing this app you will need to install
> >>>>>> Gambas
> >>>>>>> Runtime  v10 files - most systems will not have these very new
> files
> >>>>>>> installed yet.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Do so via the terminal commands:
> >>>>>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
> >>>>>>> sudo apt-get update
> >>>>>>> ************************************************************
> ***********
> >>>>>>> Now that Gambas runtime 10 files are more common - being install
> by the
> >>>>>>> Distro - is there a way for the user (terminal command) to check if
> >>>>>> they are
> >>>>>>> installed?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This is a real newbie question I'm sure but hey.. I'm a newbie!
> >>>>>>> Thanks for any all help on this matter and have a GREAT day,
> >>>>>>> mikeB
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> First check if the interpreter gbx3 is found in PATH, using the
> "which"
> >>>>>> utility. If not, I wouldn't call Gambas properly installed (although
> >>>>>> some people might disagree -- it's their computer -- but then they
> will
> >>>>>> be able to figure their Gambas version out themselves).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Once you have that, the System class has FullVersion which gives
> you the
> >>>>>> Gambas version as a string and you can compare it like this:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     $ gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0'
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Comp will return the sign (-1, 0 or 1) of subtracting the version
> 3.10
> >>>>>> from your Gambas version. You want the comparison to yield 0 or 1.
> >>>>>> With the above line, you will see either the string "True" or
> "False"
> >>>>>> printed to the terminal; you can make the output fancier.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> NOTE: gb.Natural makes the comparison by natural sort, which is
> >>>>>> appropriate
> >>>>>> to compare version numbers. Observe:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10")'
> >>>>>>     1
> >>>>>>     $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10", gb.Natural)'
> >>>>>>     -1
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Because "2" comes before "1" in the alphabet, the default
> lexicographic
> >>>>>> comparison mode declares the string "3.2" to be greater than "3.10",
> >>>>>> but gb.Natural gets it right.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Also never coerce the string version into a float for easier
> comparison
> >>>>>> because you'll run into nasty bugs caused by float roundoff.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>> Tobi
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >> Salut mikeB,
> >>
> >> reread what Tobi wrote: "which" is the magic command for that.
> >>
> >
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 19:41:20 2017
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 20:41:20 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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Why don't you let the package manager to worry about correct version?


Jussi

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 5:16 AM, mikeB <mb at code-it.com> wrote:

> On my web site, that I offer software programmed using Gambas, I have a
> notice :
> ***********************************************************************
> VERY IMPORTANT: before installing this app you will need to install Gambas
> Runtime  v10 files - most systems will not have these very new files
> installed yet.
>
> Do so via the terminal commands:
> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
> sudo apt-get update
> ***********************************************************************
> Now that Gambas runtime 10 files are more common - being install by the
> Distro - is there a way for the user (terminal command) to check if they
> are installed?
>
> This is a real newbie question I'm sure but hey.. I'm a newbie!
> Thanks for any all help on this matter and have a GREAT day,
> mikeB
>
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 19:58:58 2017
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 19:58:58 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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Sorry maybe I'm wrong, but I know this:
>sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
>sudo apt-get update
It does not install the runtime but only the libraries and therefore what
we are saying here is useless.

Regards
Gianluigi

2017-12-13 19:25 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:

> There is standard for exit codes.
> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/exitcodes.html
>
>
> Jussi
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:02 PM, T Lee Davidson <t.lee.davidson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> [shell-script]
>> #!/bin/bash
>>
>> which gbx3 &>/dev/null
>> if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then
>>     echo "Gambas runtime (gbx3) not found in path. Cannot continue."
>>     exit 1 # arbitrary exit code of your choice
>> fi
>>
>> if [[ $(gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0') ==
>> "False" ]]; then
>>     echo "So sorry."
>>     exit 2 # also an arbitrary exit code
>> fi
>>
>> # Great, do Gambas stuff now
>> [/shell-script]
>>
>> The line under the "which" statement basically says, "If the exit code
>> from the 'which' command is not equal to zero, then..."
>>
>>
>> Strangely on my system, this prints, "So sorry," even though my package
>> manager says version 3.10.0 of gambas-runtime is
>> installed. I have to assume that's an issue with the packager.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Lee
>>
>> On 12/13/2017 12:33 PM, mikeB wrote:
>> > OKAY then - I'll try that (what Tobi wrote). I just didn't really
>> understand it but I will after hack'n at it for awhile;-)
>> > THANKS - we can put this subject to bed unless someone has
>> > something else,
>> > mikeB
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 12/13/2017 08:44 AM, Karl Reinl wrote:
>> >> Am Mittwoch, den 13.12.2017, 08:26 -0700 schrieb mikeB:
>> >>> thats what i was thinking (works only if Gambas is installed) but
>> wasn't
>> >>> sure.
>> >>>
>> >>> I really would prefer NOT to force the end user to install Gambas but
>> >>> only the v10 runtime files that are required to run the Gambas
>> developed
>> >>> software/ program. A terminal command to just check if the v10 runtime
>> >>> files are installed is really what I was looking for;-)
>> >>>
>> >>> thanks to all that have taken to time to respond -
>> >>> it's highly APPRECIATED! Have learned something from every post.
>> >>> mikeB
>> >>>
>> >>> On 12/13/2017 07:43 AM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
>> >>>> the suggestin from tobias are the best for check a specific version
>> string,
>> >>>> due return a exact result, not an interpretative result
>> >>>>
>> >>>> good, but only works if gambas are installed, if not return
>> "commando not
>> >>>> found"
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>> >>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2017-12-13 9:21 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> gbx3 -V
>> >>>>> or
>> >>>>> gbx3 --version
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Works also...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Jussi
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On my web site, that I offer software programmed using Gambas, I
>> have a
>> >>>>>>> notice :
>> >>>>>>> ************************************************************
>> ***********
>> >>>>>>> VERY IMPORTANT: before installing this app you will need to
>> install
>> >>>>>> Gambas
>> >>>>>>> Runtime  v10 files - most systems will not have these very new
>> files
>> >>>>>>> installed yet.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Do so via the terminal commands:
>> >>>>>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
>> >>>>>>> sudo apt-get update
>> >>>>>>> ************************************************************
>> ***********
>> >>>>>>> Now that Gambas runtime 10 files are more common - being install
>> by the
>> >>>>>>> Distro - is there a way for the user (terminal command) to check
>> if
>> >>>>>> they are
>> >>>>>>> installed?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> This is a real newbie question I'm sure but hey.. I'm a newbie!
>> >>>>>>> Thanks for any all help on this matter and have a GREAT day,
>> >>>>>>> mikeB
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> First check if the interpreter gbx3 is found in PATH, using the
>> "which"
>> >>>>>> utility. If not, I wouldn't call Gambas properly installed
>> (although
>> >>>>>> some people might disagree -- it's their computer -- but then they
>> will
>> >>>>>> be able to figure their Gambas version out themselves).
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Once you have that, the System class has FullVersion which gives
>> you the
>> >>>>>> Gambas version as a string and you can compare it like this:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>     $ gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0'
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Comp will return the sign (-1, 0 or 1) of subtracting the version
>> 3.10
>> >>>>>> from your Gambas version. You want the comparison to yield 0 or 1.
>> >>>>>> With the above line, you will see either the string "True" or
>> "False"
>> >>>>>> printed to the terminal; you can make the output fancier.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> NOTE: gb.Natural makes the comparison by natural sort, which is
>> >>>>>> appropriate
>> >>>>>> to compare version numbers. Observe:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>     $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10")'
>> >>>>>>     1
>> >>>>>>     $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10", gb.Natural)'
>> >>>>>>     -1
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Because "2" comes before "1" in the alphabet, the default
>> lexicographic
>> >>>>>> comparison mode declares the string "3.2" to be greater than
>> "3.10",
>> >>>>>> but gb.Natural gets it right.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Also never coerce the string version into a float for easier
>> comparison
>> >>>>>> because you'll run into nasty bugs caused by float roundoff.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>> Tobi
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>
>> >> Salut mikeB,
>> >>
>> >> reread what Tobi wrote: "which" is the magic command for that.
>> >>
>> >
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>> >
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 20:25:40 2017
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 21:25:40 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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That does not install anything. It just adds the repo and updates.


Jussi

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:58 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry maybe I'm wrong, but I know this:
> >sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
> >sudo apt-get update
> It does not install the runtime but only the libraries and therefore what
> we are saying here is useless.
>
> Regards
> Gianluigi
>
> 2017-12-13 19:25 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>
>> There is standard for exit codes.
>> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/exitcodes.html
>>
>>
>> Jussi
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:02 PM, T Lee Davidson <t.lee.davidson at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> [shell-script]
>>> #!/bin/bash
>>>
>>> which gbx3 &>/dev/null
>>> if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then
>>>     echo "Gambas runtime (gbx3) not found in path. Cannot continue."
>>>     exit 1 # arbitrary exit code of your choice
>>> fi
>>>
>>> if [[ $(gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0') ==
>>> "False" ]]; then
>>>     echo "So sorry."
>>>     exit 2 # also an arbitrary exit code
>>> fi
>>>
>>> # Great, do Gambas stuff now
>>> [/shell-script]
>>>
>>> The line under the "which" statement basically says, "If the exit code
>>> from the 'which' command is not equal to zero, then..."
>>>
>>>
>>> Strangely on my system, this prints, "So sorry," even though my package
>>> manager says version 3.10.0 of gambas-runtime is
>>> installed. I have to assume that's an issue with the packager.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Lee
>>>
>>> On 12/13/2017 12:33 PM, mikeB wrote:
>>> > OKAY then - I'll try that (what Tobi wrote). I just didn't really
>>> understand it but I will after hack'n at it for awhile;-)
>>> > THANKS - we can put this subject to bed unless someone has
>>> > something else,
>>> > mikeB
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 12/13/2017 08:44 AM, Karl Reinl wrote:
>>> >> Am Mittwoch, den 13.12.2017, 08:26 -0700 schrieb mikeB:
>>> >>> thats what i was thinking (works only if Gambas is installed) but
>>> wasn't
>>> >>> sure.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I really would prefer NOT to force the end user to install Gambas but
>>> >>> only the v10 runtime files that are required to run the Gambas
>>> developed
>>> >>> software/ program. A terminal command to just check if the v10
>>> runtime
>>> >>> files are installed is really what I was looking for;-)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> thanks to all that have taken to time to respond -
>>> >>> it's highly APPRECIATED! Have learned something from every post.
>>> >>> mikeB
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 12/13/2017 07:43 AM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
>>> >>>> the suggestin from tobias are the best for check a specific version
>>> string,
>>> >>>> due return a exact result, not an interpretative result
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> good, but only works if gambas are installed, if not return
>>> "commando not
>>> >>>> found"
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>> >>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 2017-12-13 9:21 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com
>>> >:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> gbx3 -V
>>> >>>>> or
>>> >>>>> gbx3 --version
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Works also...
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Jussi
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>> >>>>>>> On my web site, that I offer software programmed using Gambas, I
>>> have a
>>> >>>>>>> notice :
>>> >>>>>>> ************************************************************
>>> ***********
>>> >>>>>>> VERY IMPORTANT: before installing this app you will need to
>>> install
>>> >>>>>> Gambas
>>> >>>>>>> Runtime  v10 files - most systems will not have these very new
>>> files
>>> >>>>>>> installed yet.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Do so via the terminal commands:
>>> >>>>>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
>>> >>>>>>> sudo apt-get update
>>> >>>>>>> ************************************************************
>>> ***********
>>> >>>>>>> Now that Gambas runtime 10 files are more common - being install
>>> by the
>>> >>>>>>> Distro - is there a way for the user (terminal command) to check
>>> if
>>> >>>>>> they are
>>> >>>>>>> installed?
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> This is a real newbie question I'm sure but hey.. I'm a newbie!
>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for any all help on this matter and have a GREAT day,
>>> >>>>>>> mikeB
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> First check if the interpreter gbx3 is found in PATH, using the
>>> "which"
>>> >>>>>> utility. If not, I wouldn't call Gambas properly installed
>>> (although
>>> >>>>>> some people might disagree -- it's their computer -- but then
>>> they will
>>> >>>>>> be able to figure their Gambas version out themselves).
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Once you have that, the System class has FullVersion which gives
>>> you the
>>> >>>>>> Gambas version as a string and you can compare it like this:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>     $ gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0'
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Comp will return the sign (-1, 0 or 1) of subtracting the version
>>> 3.10
>>> >>>>>> from your Gambas version. You want the comparison to yield 0 or 1.
>>> >>>>>> With the above line, you will see either the string "True" or
>>> "False"
>>> >>>>>> printed to the terminal; you can make the output fancier.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> NOTE: gb.Natural makes the comparison by natural sort, which is
>>> >>>>>> appropriate
>>> >>>>>> to compare version numbers. Observe:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>     $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10")'
>>> >>>>>>     1
>>> >>>>>>     $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10", gb.Natural)'
>>> >>>>>>     -1
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Because "2" comes before "1" in the alphabet, the default
>>> lexicographic
>>> >>>>>> comparison mode declares the string "3.2" to be greater than
>>> "3.10",
>>> >>>>>> but gb.Natural gets it right.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Also never coerce the string version into a float for easier
>>> comparison
>>> >>>>>> because you'll run into nasty bugs caused by float roundoff.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Regards,
>>> >>>>>> Tobi
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr.
>>> Monk
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Salut mikeB,
>>> >>
>>> >> reread what Tobi wrote: "which" is the magic command for that.
>>> >>
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From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 20:37:09 2017
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:37:09 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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Yes, but they _can_ be arbitrary for one's own scripts/programs. I've used arbitrary exit codes to debug execve system calls to
my own programs. For published code, the standard should certainly be followed.


On 12/13/2017 01:25 PM, Jussi Lahtinen wrote:
> There is standard for exit codes.
> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/exitcodes.html
> 
> 
> Jussi
> 
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:02 PM, T Lee Davidson <t.lee.davidson at gmail.com <mailto:t.lee.davidson at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     [shell-script]
>     #!/bin/bash
> 
>     which gbx3 &>/dev/null
>     if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then
>     ? ? echo "Gambas runtime (gbx3) not found in path. Cannot continue."
>     ? ? exit 1 # arbitrary exit code of your choice
>     fi
> 
>     if [[ $(gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0') == "False" ]]; then
>     ? ? echo "So sorry."
>     ? ? exit 2 # also an arbitrary exit code
>     fi
> 
>     # Great, do Gambas stuff now
>     [/shell-script]
> 
>     The line under the "which" statement basically says, "If the exit code from the 'which' command is not equal to zero, then..."
> 
> 
>     Strangely on my system, this prints, "So sorry," even though my package manager says version 3.10.0 of gambas-runtime is
>     installed. I have to assume that's an issue with the packager.
> 
> 
>     --
>     Lee
> 

-- 
Lee

From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 22:06:51 2017
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 23:06:51 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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Yes, I agree.


Jussi

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:37 PM, T Lee Davidson <t.lee.davidson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yes, but they _can_ be arbitrary for one's own scripts/programs. I've used
> arbitrary exit codes to debug execve system calls to
> my own programs. For published code, the standard should certainly be
> followed.
>
>
> On 12/13/2017 01:25 PM, Jussi Lahtinen wrote:
> > There is standard for exit codes.
> > http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/exitcodes.html
> >
> >
> > Jussi
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:02 PM, T Lee Davidson <
> t.lee.davidson at gmail.com <mailto:t.lee.davidson at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     [shell-script]
> >     #!/bin/bash
> >
> >     which gbx3 &>/dev/null
> >     if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then
> >         echo "Gambas runtime (gbx3) not found in path. Cannot continue."
> >         exit 1 # arbitrary exit code of your choice
> >     fi
> >
> >     if [[ $(gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0')
> == "False" ]]; then
> >         echo "So sorry."
> >         exit 2 # also an arbitrary exit code
> >     fi
> >
> >     # Great, do Gambas stuff now
> >     [/shell-script]
> >
> >     The line under the "which" statement basically says, "If the exit
> code from the 'which' command is not equal to zero, then..."
> >
> >
> >     Strangely on my system, this prints, "So sorry," even though my
> package manager says version 3.10.0 of gambas-runtime is
> >     installed. I have to assume that's an issue with the packager.
> >
> >
> >     --
> >     Lee
> >
>
> --
> Lee
>
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 22:22:51 2017
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 22:22:51 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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Right, not only the runtime is not installed, nothing is installed.

Regards
Gianluigi

2017-12-13 20:25 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:

> That does not install anything. It just adds the repo and updates.
>
>
> Jussi
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:58 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry maybe I'm wrong, but I know this:
>> >sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
>> >sudo apt-get update
>> It does not install the runtime but only the libraries and therefore what
>> we are saying here is useless.
>>
>> Regards
>> Gianluigi
>>
>> 2017-12-13 19:25 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> There is standard for exit codes.
>>> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/exitcodes.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Jussi
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:02 PM, T Lee Davidson <
>>> t.lee.davidson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [shell-script]
>>>> #!/bin/bash
>>>>
>>>> which gbx3 &>/dev/null
>>>> if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then
>>>>     echo "Gambas runtime (gbx3) not found in path. Cannot continue."
>>>>     exit 1 # arbitrary exit code of your choice
>>>> fi
>>>>
>>>> if [[ $(gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0') ==
>>>> "False" ]]; then
>>>>     echo "So sorry."
>>>>     exit 2 # also an arbitrary exit code
>>>> fi
>>>>
>>>> # Great, do Gambas stuff now
>>>> [/shell-script]
>>>>
>>>> The line under the "which" statement basically says, "If the exit code
>>>> from the 'which' command is not equal to zero, then..."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Strangely on my system, this prints, "So sorry," even though my package
>>>> manager says version 3.10.0 of gambas-runtime is
>>>> installed. I have to assume that's an issue with the packager.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Lee
>>>>
>>>> On 12/13/2017 12:33 PM, mikeB wrote:
>>>> > OKAY then - I'll try that (what Tobi wrote). I just didn't really
>>>> understand it but I will after hack'n at it for awhile;-)
>>>> > THANKS - we can put this subject to bed unless someone has
>>>> > something else,
>>>> > mikeB
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On 12/13/2017 08:44 AM, Karl Reinl wrote:
>>>> >> Am Mittwoch, den 13.12.2017, 08:26 -0700 schrieb mikeB:
>>>> >>> thats what i was thinking (works only if Gambas is installed) but
>>>> wasn't
>>>> >>> sure.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I really would prefer NOT to force the end user to install Gambas
>>>> but
>>>> >>> only the v10 runtime files that are required to run the Gambas
>>>> developed
>>>> >>> software/ program. A terminal command to just check if the v10
>>>> runtime
>>>> >>> files are installed is really what I was looking for;-)
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> thanks to all that have taken to time to respond -
>>>> >>> it's highly APPRECIATED! Have learned something from every post.
>>>> >>> mikeB
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On 12/13/2017 07:43 AM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
>>>> >>>> the suggestin from tobias are the best for check a specific
>>>> version string,
>>>> >>>> due return a exact result, not an interpretative result
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> good, but only works if gambas are installed, if not return
>>>> "commando not
>>>> >>>> found"
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>> >>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> 2017-12-13 9:21 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com
>>>> >:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> gbx3 -V
>>>> >>>>> or
>>>> >>>>> gbx3 --version
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Works also...
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Jussi
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>> On my web site, that I offer software programmed using Gambas,
>>>> I have a
>>>> >>>>>>> notice :
>>>> >>>>>>> ************************************************************
>>>> ***********
>>>> >>>>>>> VERY IMPORTANT: before installing this app you will need to
>>>> install
>>>> >>>>>> Gambas
>>>> >>>>>>> Runtime  v10 files - most systems will not have these very new
>>>> files
>>>> >>>>>>> installed yet.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Do so via the terminal commands:
>>>> >>>>>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
>>>> >>>>>>> sudo apt-get update
>>>> >>>>>>> ************************************************************
>>>> ***********
>>>> >>>>>>> Now that Gambas runtime 10 files are more common - being
>>>> install by the
>>>> >>>>>>> Distro - is there a way for the user (terminal command) to
>>>> check if
>>>> >>>>>> they are
>>>> >>>>>>> installed?
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> This is a real newbie question I'm sure but hey.. I'm a newbie!
>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for any all help on this matter and have a GREAT day,
>>>> >>>>>>> mikeB
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> First check if the interpreter gbx3 is found in PATH, using the
>>>> "which"
>>>> >>>>>> utility. If not, I wouldn't call Gambas properly installed
>>>> (although
>>>> >>>>>> some people might disagree -- it's their computer -- but then
>>>> they will
>>>> >>>>>> be able to figure their Gambas version out themselves).
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Once you have that, the System class has FullVersion which gives
>>>> you the
>>>> >>>>>> Gambas version as a string and you can compare it like this:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>     $ gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0'
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Comp will return the sign (-1, 0 or 1) of subtracting the
>>>> version 3.10
>>>> >>>>>> from your Gambas version. You want the comparison to yield 0 or
>>>> 1.
>>>> >>>>>> With the above line, you will see either the string "True" or
>>>> "False"
>>>> >>>>>> printed to the terminal; you can make the output fancier.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> NOTE: gb.Natural makes the comparison by natural sort, which is
>>>> >>>>>> appropriate
>>>> >>>>>> to compare version numbers. Observe:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>     $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10")'
>>>> >>>>>>     1
>>>> >>>>>>     $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10", gb.Natural)'
>>>> >>>>>>     -1
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Because "2" comes before "1" in the alphabet, the default
>>>> lexicographic
>>>> >>>>>> comparison mode declares the string "3.2" to be greater than
>>>> "3.10",
>>>> >>>>>> but gb.Natural gets it right.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Also never coerce the string version into a float for easier
>>>> comparison
>>>> >>>>>> because you'll run into nasty bugs caused by float roundoff.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Regards,
>>>> >>>>>> Tobi
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> --
>>>> >>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr.
>>>> Monk
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Salut mikeB,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> reread what Tobi wrote: "which" is the magic command for that.
>>>> >>
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From mb at code-it.com  Thu Dec 14 18:18:43 2017
From: mb at code-it.com (mikeB)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 10:18:43 -0700
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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mikeB here again (i'm sure that most folks think i should just go away &
figure it out myself- but just maybe others have these same questions?
amd i'm having a heck of a time 'figuring it out myself' ;-(


*******************************************************
In comparing a setup file (VB6 to Gambas):

VB6 INSTALL = the script of almost all M$ Windows install files includes 
at the very beginning the current VB runtime files (at least in any 
setup I ever created) to make sure the end users' system is up to date 
with the software being installed.

GAMBAS INSTALL = if an app is developed using Gambas version 3.10 and 
the end users system has v3.8 runtime files installed (or none) the 
program (end user app) will not install - comes back with the message
that v.10 runtime files are required. Not a peep on how to get them or
offer to do it automatically.
********************************************************

So - my question is = would there be a way to include the v.10 runtime 
files in the install script - to upgrade if needed - just like a VB6 
install? And if so,  would that cause any unforeseen problems?

For the somewhat advanced Linux user - none of this matters much
cuz they are use to handling these issues - but my concern is the
person that just switched from Wins 10 to Linux 3 days ago - as I have
a large following that I'm trying to help make the switch not only to 
Linux but to Gambas programming;-)  I want the end user to have NO 
problems installing a Gambas programmed app - just double click the file 
(to install) like they are use to. Not having to check v or anything 
else - just double click the file.

Sorry for the long post as some of it was prob unnecessary,
have a GREAT day,
mikeB


On 12/13/2017 02:22 PM, Gianluigi wrote:
> Right, not only the runtime is not installed, nothing is installed.
> 
> Regards
> Gianluigi
> 
> 2017-12-13 20:25 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
> 
>> That does not install anything. It just adds the repo and updates.
>>
>>
>> Jussi
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:58 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry maybe I'm wrong, but I know this:
>>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
>>>> sudo apt-get update
>>> It does not install the runtime but only the libraries and therefore what
>>> we are saying here is useless.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Gianluigi
>>>
>>> 2017-12-13 19:25 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> There is standard for exit codes.
>>>> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/exitcodes.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jussi
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:02 PM, T Lee Davidson <
>>>> t.lee.davidson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [shell-script]
>>>>> #!/bin/bash
>>>>>
>>>>> which gbx3 &>/dev/null
>>>>> if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then
>>>>>      echo "Gambas runtime (gbx3) not found in path. Cannot continue."
>>>>>      exit 1 # arbitrary exit code of your choice
>>>>> fi
>>>>>
>>>>> if [[ $(gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0') ==
>>>>> "False" ]]; then
>>>>>      echo "So sorry."
>>>>>      exit 2 # also an arbitrary exit code
>>>>> fi
>>>>>
>>>>> # Great, do Gambas stuff now
>>>>> [/shell-script]
>>>>>
>>>>> The line under the "which" statement basically says, "If the exit code
>>>>> from the 'which' command is not equal to zero, then..."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Strangely on my system, this prints, "So sorry," even though my package
>>>>> manager says version 3.10.0 of gambas-runtime is
>>>>> installed. I have to assume that's an issue with the packager.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Lee
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/13/2017 12:33 PM, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>> OKAY then - I'll try that (what Tobi wrote). I just didn't really
>>>>> understand it but I will after hack'n at it for awhile;-)
>>>>>> THANKS - we can put this subject to bed unless someone has
>>>>>> something else,
>>>>>> mikeB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/13/2017 08:44 AM, Karl Reinl wrote:
>>>>>>> Am Mittwoch, den 13.12.2017, 08:26 -0700 schrieb mikeB:
>>>>>>>> thats what i was thinking (works only if Gambas is installed) but
>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>> sure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I really would prefer NOT to force the end user to install Gambas
>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> only the v10 runtime files that are required to run the Gambas
>>>>> developed
>>>>>>>> software/ program. A terminal command to just check if the v10
>>>>> runtime
>>>>>>>> files are installed is really what I was looking for;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks to all that have taken to time to respond -
>>>>>>>> it's highly APPRECIATED! Have learned something from every post.
>>>>>>>> mikeB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/13/2017 07:43 AM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
>>>>>>>>> the suggestin from tobias are the best for check a specific
>>>>> version string,
>>>>>>>>> due return a exact result, not an interpretative result
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> good, but only works if gambas are installed, if not return
>>>>> "commando not
>>>>>>>>> found"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-13 9:21 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> gbx3 -V
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> gbx3 --version
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Works also...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On my web site, that I offer software programmed using Gambas,
>>>>> I have a
>>>>>>>>>>>> notice :
>>>>>>>>>>>> ************************************************************
>>>>> ***********
>>>>>>>>>>>> VERY IMPORTANT: before installing this app you will need to
>>>>> install
>>>>>>>>>>> Gambas
>>>>>>>>>>>> Runtime  v10 files - most systems will not have these very new
>>>>> files
>>>>>>>>>>>> installed yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do so via the terminal commands:
>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo apt-get update
>>>>>>>>>>>> ************************************************************
>>>>> ***********
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that Gambas runtime 10 files are more common - being
>>>>> install by the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Distro - is there a way for the user (terminal command) to
>>>>> check if
>>>>>>>>>>> they are
>>>>>>>>>>>> installed?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a real newbie question I'm sure but hey.. I'm a newbie!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any all help on this matter and have a GREAT day,
>>>>>>>>>>>> mikeB
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> First check if the interpreter gbx3 is found in PATH, using the
>>>>> "which"
>>>>>>>>>>> utility. If not, I wouldn't call Gambas properly installed
>>>>> (although
>>>>>>>>>>> some people might disagree -- it's their computer -- but then
>>>>> they will
>>>>>>>>>>> be able to figure their Gambas version out themselves).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Once you have that, the System class has FullVersion which gives
>>>>> you the
>>>>>>>>>>> Gambas version as a string and you can compare it like this:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>      $ gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0'
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Comp will return the sign (-1, 0 or 1) of subtracting the
>>>>> version 3.10
>>>>>>>>>>> from your Gambas version. You want the comparison to yield 0 or
>>>>> 1.
>>>>>>>>>>> With the above line, you will see either the string "True" or
>>>>> "False"
>>>>>>>>>>> printed to the terminal; you can make the output fancier.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> NOTE: gb.Natural makes the comparison by natural sort, which is
>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate
>>>>>>>>>>> to compare version numbers. Observe:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>      $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10")'
>>>>>>>>>>>      1
>>>>>>>>>>>      $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10", gb.Natural)'
>>>>>>>>>>>      -1
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Because "2" comes before "1" in the alphabet, the default
>>>>> lexicographic
>>>>>>>>>>> comparison mode declares the string "3.2" to be greater than
>>>>> "3.10",
>>>>>>>>>>> but gb.Natural gets it right.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Also never coerce the string version into a float for easier
>>>>> comparison
>>>>>>>>>>> because you'll run into nasty bugs caused by float roundoff.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Tobi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr.
>>>>> Monk
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Salut mikeB,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> reread what Tobi wrote: "which" is the magic command for that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Thu Dec 14 19:19:33 2017
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 19:19:33 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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If you are referring only to the Ubuntu world and derivatives, the easiest
thing for you and your customers (Windows way) is to make them install
stable Gambas3 from PPA and provide the executable of your program.
Taking advantage of the tricks of Tobias and making him eliminate the
current Gambas installed if of a lower version of the program.

Regards
Gianluigi

2017-12-14 18:18 GMT+01:00 mikeB <mb at code-it.com>:

> mikeB here again (i'm sure that most folks think i should just go away &
> figure it out myself- but just maybe others have these same questions?
> amd i'm having a heck of a time 'figuring it out myself' ;-(
>
>
> *******************************************************
> In comparing a setup file (VB6 to Gambas):
>
> VB6 INSTALL = the script of almost all M$ Windows install files includes
> at the very beginning the current VB runtime files (at least in any setup I
> ever created) to make sure the end users' system is up to date with the
> software being installed.
>
> GAMBAS INSTALL = if an app is developed using Gambas version 3.10 and the
> end users system has v3.8 runtime files installed (or none) the program
> (end user app) will not install - comes back with the message
> that v.10 runtime files are required. Not a peep on how to get them or
> offer to do it automatically.
> ********************************************************
>
> So - my question is = would there be a way to include the v.10 runtime
> files in the install script - to upgrade if needed - just like a VB6
> install? And if so,  would that cause any unforeseen problems?
>
> For the somewhat advanced Linux user - none of this matters much
> cuz they are use to handling these issues - but my concern is the
> person that just switched from Wins 10 to Linux 3 days ago - as I have
> a large following that I'm trying to help make the switch not only to
> Linux but to Gambas programming;-)  I want the end user to have NO problems
> installing a Gambas programmed app - just double click the file (to
> install) like they are use to. Not having to check v or anything else -
> just double click the file.
>
> Sorry for the long post as some of it was prob unnecessary,
> have a GREAT day,
> mikeB
>
>
> On 12/13/2017 02:22 PM, Gianluigi wrote:
>
>> Right, not only the runtime is not installed, nothing is installed.
>>
>> Regards
>> Gianluigi
>>
>> 2017-12-13 20:25 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>
>> That does not install anything. It just adds the repo and updates.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jussi
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:58 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry maybe I'm wrong, but I know this:
>>>>
>>>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
>>>>> sudo apt-get update
>>>>>
>>>> It does not install the runtime but only the libraries and therefore
>>>> what
>>>> we are saying here is useless.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>
>>>> 2017-12-13 19:25 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> There is standard for exit codes.
>>>>> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/exitcodes.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:02 PM, T Lee Davidson <
>>>>> t.lee.davidson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [shell-script]
>>>>>> #!/bin/bash
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which gbx3 &>/dev/null
>>>>>> if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then
>>>>>>      echo "Gambas runtime (gbx3) not found in path. Cannot continue."
>>>>>>      exit 1 # arbitrary exit code of your choice
>>>>>> fi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if [[ $(gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0')
>>>>>> ==
>>>>>> "False" ]]; then
>>>>>>      echo "So sorry."
>>>>>>      exit 2 # also an arbitrary exit code
>>>>>> fi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> # Great, do Gambas stuff now
>>>>>> [/shell-script]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The line under the "which" statement basically says, "If the exit code
>>>>>> from the 'which' command is not equal to zero, then..."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Strangely on my system, this prints, "So sorry," even though my
>>>>>> package
>>>>>> manager says version 3.10.0 of gambas-runtime is
>>>>>> installed. I have to assume that's an issue with the packager.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Lee
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/13/2017 12:33 PM, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OKAY then - I'll try that (what Tobi wrote). I just didn't really
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> understand it but I will after hack'n at it for awhile;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> THANKS - we can put this subject to bed unless someone has
>>>>>>> something else,
>>>>>>> mikeB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/13/2017 08:44 AM, Karl Reinl wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am Mittwoch, den 13.12.2017, 08:26 -0700 schrieb mikeB:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thats what i was thinking (works only if Gambas is installed) but
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I really would prefer NOT to force the end user to install Gambas
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> only the v10 runtime files that are required to run the Gambas
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> developed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> software/ program. A terminal command to just check if the v10
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> runtime
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> files are installed is really what I was looking for;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thanks to all that have taken to time to respond -
>>>>>>>>> it's highly APPRECIATED! Have learned something from every post.
>>>>>>>>> mikeB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/13/2017 07:43 AM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the suggestin from tobias are the best for check a specific
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> version string,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> due return a exact result, not an interpretative result
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> good, but only works if gambas are installed, if not return
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "commando not
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> found"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-13 9:21 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <
>>>>>>>>>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> gbx3 -V
>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>> gbx3 --version
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Works also...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On my web site, that I offer software programmed using Gambas,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> notice :
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ***********
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> VERY IMPORTANT: before installing this app you will need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> install
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gambas
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Runtime  v10 files - most systems will not have these very new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> files
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> installed yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do so via the terminal commands:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo apt-get update
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ***********
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now that Gambas runtime 10 files are more common - being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> install by the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Distro - is there a way for the user (terminal command) to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> check if
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> installed?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a real newbie question I'm sure but hey.. I'm a newbie!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any all help on this matter and have a GREAT day,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mikeB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> First check if the interpreter gbx3 is found in PATH, using the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "which"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> utility. If not, I wouldn't call Gambas properly installed
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (although
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> some people might disagree -- it's their computer -- but then
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> they will
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> be able to figure their Gambas version out themselves).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Once you have that, the System class has FullVersion which gives
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> you the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gambas version as a string and you can compare it like this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>      $ gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >=
>>>>>>>>>>>> 0'
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Comp will return the sign (-1, 0 or 1) of subtracting the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> version 3.10
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> from your Gambas version. You want the comparison to yield 0 or
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With the above line, you will see either the string "True" or
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "False"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> printed to the terminal; you can make the output fancier.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> NOTE: gb.Natural makes the comparison by natural sort, which is
>>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate
>>>>>>>>>>>> to compare version numbers. Observe:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>      $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10")'
>>>>>>>>>>>>      1
>>>>>>>>>>>>      $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10", gb.Natural)'
>>>>>>>>>>>>      -1
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because "2" comes before "1" in the alphabet, the default
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> lexicographic
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> comparison mode declares the string "3.2" to be greater than
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "3.10",
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but gb.Natural gets it right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Also never coerce the string version into a float for easier
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> comparison
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> because you'll run into nasty bugs caused by float roundoff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tobi
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Monk
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Salut mikeB,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> reread what Tobi wrote: "which" is the magic command for that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is the Gambas Mailing List
>>>>>>> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From mb at code-it.com  Thu Dec 14 19:25:00 2017
From: mb at code-it.com (mikeB)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 11:25:00 -0700
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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yes = I'm referring to the "Unbuntu World" and thank you for your fast 
reply!
mikeB


On 12/14/2017 11:19 AM, Gianluigi wrote:
> If you are referring only to the Ubuntu world and derivatives, the easiest
> thing for you and your customers (Windows way) is to make them install
> stable Gambas3 from PPA and provide the executable of your program.
> Taking advantage of the tricks of Tobias and making him eliminate the
> current Gambas installed if of a lower version of the program.
> 
> Regards
> Gianluigi
> 
> 2017-12-14 18:18 GMT+01:00 mikeB <mb at code-it.com>:
> 
>> mikeB here again (i'm sure that most folks think i should just go away &
>> figure it out myself- but just maybe others have these same questions?
>> amd i'm having a heck of a time 'figuring it out myself' ;-(
>>
>>
>> *******************************************************
>> In comparing a setup file (VB6 to Gambas):
>>
>> VB6 INSTALL = the script of almost all M$ Windows install files includes
>> at the very beginning the current VB runtime files (at least in any setup I
>> ever created) to make sure the end users' system is up to date with the
>> software being installed.
>>
>> GAMBAS INSTALL = if an app is developed using Gambas version 3.10 and the
>> end users system has v3.8 runtime files installed (or none) the program
>> (end user app) will not install - comes back with the message
>> that v.10 runtime files are required. Not a peep on how to get them or
>> offer to do it automatically.
>> ********************************************************
>>
>> So - my question is = would there be a way to include the v.10 runtime
>> files in the install script - to upgrade if needed - just like a VB6
>> install? And if so,  would that cause any unforeseen problems?
>>
>> For the somewhat advanced Linux user - none of this matters much
>> cuz they are use to handling these issues - but my concern is the
>> person that just switched from Wins 10 to Linux 3 days ago - as I have
>> a large following that I'm trying to help make the switch not only to
>> Linux but to Gambas programming;-)  I want the end user to have NO problems
>> installing a Gambas programmed app - just double click the file (to
>> install) like they are use to. Not having to check v or anything else -
>> just double click the file.
>>
>> Sorry for the long post as some of it was prob unnecessary,
>> have a GREAT day,
>> mikeB
>>
>>
>> On 12/13/2017 02:22 PM, Gianluigi wrote:
>>
>>> Right, not only the runtime is not installed, nothing is installed.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Gianluigi
>>>
>>> 2017-12-13 20:25 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> That does not install anything. It just adds the repo and updates.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jussi
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:58 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sorry maybe I'm wrong, but I know this:
>>>>>
>>>>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
>>>>>> sudo apt-get update
>>>>>>
>>>>> It does not install the runtime but only the libraries and therefore
>>>>> what
>>>>> we are saying here is useless.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-12-13 19:25 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> There is standard for exit codes.
>>>>>> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/exitcodes.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:02 PM, T Lee Davidson <
>>>>>> t.lee.davidson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [shell-script]
>>>>>>> #!/bin/bash
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> which gbx3 &>/dev/null
>>>>>>> if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then
>>>>>>>       echo "Gambas runtime (gbx3) not found in path. Cannot continue."
>>>>>>>       exit 1 # arbitrary exit code of your choice
>>>>>>> fi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> if [[ $(gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0')
>>>>>>> ==
>>>>>>> "False" ]]; then
>>>>>>>       echo "So sorry."
>>>>>>>       exit 2 # also an arbitrary exit code
>>>>>>> fi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> # Great, do Gambas stuff now
>>>>>>> [/shell-script]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The line under the "which" statement basically says, "If the exit code
>>>>>>> from the 'which' command is not equal to zero, then..."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Strangely on my system, this prints, "So sorry," even though my
>>>>>>> package
>>>>>>> manager says version 3.10.0 of gambas-runtime is
>>>>>>> installed. I have to assume that's an issue with the packager.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Lee
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/13/2017 12:33 PM, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OKAY then - I'll try that (what Tobi wrote). I just didn't really
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> understand it but I will after hack'n at it for awhile;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> THANKS - we can put this subject to bed unless someone has
>>>>>>>> something else,
>>>>>>>> mikeB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/13/2017 08:44 AM, Karl Reinl wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am Mittwoch, den 13.12.2017, 08:26 -0700 schrieb mikeB:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> thats what i was thinking (works only if Gambas is installed) but
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sure.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I really would prefer NOT to force the end user to install Gambas
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> only the v10 runtime files that are required to run the Gambas
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> developed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> software/ program. A terminal command to just check if the v10
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> runtime
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> files are installed is really what I was looking for;-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> thanks to all that have taken to time to respond -
>>>>>>>>>> it's highly APPRECIATED! Have learned something from every post.
>>>>>>>>>> mikeB
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/13/2017 07:43 AM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the suggestin from tobias are the best for check a specific
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> version string,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> due return a exact result, not an interpretative result
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> good, but only works if gambas are installed, if not return
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "commando not
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> found"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>>>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-13 9:21 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <
>>>>>>>>>>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> gbx3 -V
>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>> gbx3 --version
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Works also...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On my web site, that I offer software programmed using Gambas,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> notice :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ***********
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> VERY IMPORTANT: before installing this app you will need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> install
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gambas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Runtime  v10 files - most systems will not have these very new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> files
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> installed yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do so via the terminal commands:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo apt-get update
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ***********
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now that Gambas runtime 10 files are more common - being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> install by the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Distro - is there a way for the user (terminal command) to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> check if
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installed?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a real newbie question I'm sure but hey.. I'm a newbie!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any all help on this matter and have a GREAT day,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mikeB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> First check if the interpreter gbx3 is found in PATH, using the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "which"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> utility. If not, I wouldn't call Gambas properly installed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (although
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> some people might disagree -- it's their computer -- but then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> they will
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> be able to figure their Gambas version out themselves).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once you have that, the System class has FullVersion which gives
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> you the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gambas version as a string and you can compare it like this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       $ gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >=
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Comp will return the sign (-1, 0 or 1) of subtracting the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> version 3.10
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> from your Gambas version. You want the comparison to yield 0 or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With the above line, you will see either the string "True" or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "False"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> printed to the terminal; you can make the output fancier.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOTE: gb.Natural makes the comparison by natural sort, which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to compare version numbers. Observe:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10")'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10", gb.Natural)'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       -1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because "2" comes before "1" in the alphabet, the default
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> lexicographic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> comparison mode declares the string "3.2" to be greater than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "3.10",
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but gb.Natural gets it right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also never coerce the string version into a float for easier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> comparison
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> because you'll run into nasty bugs caused by float roundoff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tobi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Monk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Salut mikeB,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> reread what Tobi wrote: "which" is the magic command for that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Thu Dec 14 19:40:18 2017
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 19:40:18 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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Unfortunately, fast and well, they do not walk together.
Other people, better than me, give better advice.

Regards
Gianluigi

2017-12-14 19:25 GMT+01:00 mikeB <mb at code-it.com>:

> yes = I'm referring to the "Unbuntu World" and thank you for your fast
> reply!
> mikeB
>
>
> On 12/14/2017 11:19 AM, Gianluigi wrote:
>
>> If you are referring only to the Ubuntu world and derivatives, the easiest
>> thing for you and your customers (Windows way) is to make them install
>> stable Gambas3 from PPA and provide the executable of your program.
>> Taking advantage of the tricks of Tobias and making him eliminate the
>> current Gambas installed if of a lower version of the program.
>>
>> Regards
>> Gianluigi
>>
>> 2017-12-14 18:18 GMT+01:00 mikeB <mb at code-it.com>:
>>
>> mikeB here again (i'm sure that most folks think i should just go away &
>>> figure it out myself- but just maybe others have these same questions?
>>> amd i'm having a heck of a time 'figuring it out myself' ;-(
>>>
>>>
>>> *******************************************************
>>> In comparing a setup file (VB6 to Gambas):
>>>
>>> VB6 INSTALL = the script of almost all M$ Windows install files includes
>>> at the very beginning the current VB runtime files (at least in any
>>> setup I
>>> ever created) to make sure the end users' system is up to date with the
>>> software being installed.
>>>
>>> GAMBAS INSTALL = if an app is developed using Gambas version 3.10 and the
>>> end users system has v3.8 runtime files installed (or none) the program
>>> (end user app) will not install - comes back with the message
>>> that v.10 runtime files are required. Not a peep on how to get them or
>>> offer to do it automatically.
>>> ********************************************************
>>>
>>> So - my question is = would there be a way to include the v.10 runtime
>>> files in the install script - to upgrade if needed - just like a VB6
>>> install? And if so,  would that cause any unforeseen problems?
>>>
>>> For the somewhat advanced Linux user - none of this matters much
>>> cuz they are use to handling these issues - but my concern is the
>>> person that just switched from Wins 10 to Linux 3 days ago - as I have
>>> a large following that I'm trying to help make the switch not only to
>>> Linux but to Gambas programming;-)  I want the end user to have NO
>>> problems
>>> installing a Gambas programmed app - just double click the file (to
>>> install) like they are use to. Not having to check v or anything else -
>>> just double click the file.
>>>
>>> Sorry for the long post as some of it was prob unnecessary,
>>> have a GREAT day,
>>> mikeB
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/13/2017 02:22 PM, Gianluigi wrote:
>>>
>>> Right, not only the runtime is not installed, nothing is installed.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>
>>>> 2017-12-13 20:25 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> That does not install anything. It just adds the repo and updates.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:58 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry maybe I'm wrong, but I know this:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
>>>>>>> sudo apt-get update
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It does not install the runtime but only the libraries and therefore
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> we are saying here is useless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-12-13 19:25 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is standard for exit codes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/exitcodes.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:02 PM, T Lee Davidson <
>>>>>>> t.lee.davidson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [shell-script]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> #!/bin/bash
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> which gbx3 &>/dev/null
>>>>>>>> if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then
>>>>>>>>       echo "Gambas runtime (gbx3) not found in path. Cannot
>>>>>>>> continue."
>>>>>>>>       exit 1 # arbitrary exit code of your choice
>>>>>>>> fi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> if [[ $(gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0')
>>>>>>>> ==
>>>>>>>> "False" ]]; then
>>>>>>>>       echo "So sorry."
>>>>>>>>       exit 2 # also an arbitrary exit code
>>>>>>>> fi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> # Great, do Gambas stuff now
>>>>>>>> [/shell-script]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The line under the "which" statement basically says, "If the exit
>>>>>>>> code
>>>>>>>> from the 'which' command is not equal to zero, then..."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Strangely on my system, this prints, "So sorry," even though my
>>>>>>>> package
>>>>>>>> manager says version 3.10.0 of gambas-runtime is
>>>>>>>> installed. I have to assume that's an issue with the packager.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Lee
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/13/2017 12:33 PM, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OKAY then - I'll try that (what Tobi wrote). I just didn't really
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> understand it but I will after hack'n at it for awhile;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> THANKS - we can put this subject to bed unless someone has
>>>>>>>>> something else,
>>>>>>>>> mikeB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/13/2017 08:44 AM, Karl Reinl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am Mittwoch, den 13.12.2017, 08:26 -0700 schrieb mikeB:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> thats what i was thinking (works only if Gambas is installed) but
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I really would prefer NOT to force the end user to install Gambas
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> only the v10 runtime files that are required to run the Gambas
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> developed
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> software/ program. A terminal command to just check if the v10
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> runtime
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> files are installed is really what I was looking for;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to all that have taken to time to respond -
>>>>>>>>>>> it's highly APPRECIATED! Have learned something from every post.
>>>>>>>>>>> mikeB
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/13/2017 07:43 AM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the suggestin from tobias are the best for check a specific
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> version string,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> due return a exact result, not an interpretative result
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> good, but only works if gambas are installed, if not return
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "commando not
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> found"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-13 9:21 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <
>>>>>>>>>>>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> gbx3 -V
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gbx3 --version
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Works also...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Tobias Boege <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> taboege at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On my web site, that I offer software programmed using Gambas,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> notice :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ***********
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> VERY IMPORTANT: before installing this app you will need to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gambas
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Runtime  v10 files - most systems will not have these very new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> installed yet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do so via the terminal commands:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo apt-get update
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ***********
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now that Gambas runtime 10 files are more common - being
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Distro - is there a way for the user (terminal command) to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> check if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> they are
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installed?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a real newbie question I'm sure but hey.. I'm a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> newbie!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any all help on this matter and have a GREAT day,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mikeB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First check if the interpreter gbx3 is found in PATH, using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "which"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> utility. If not, I wouldn't call Gambas properly installed
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (although
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> some people might disagree -- it's their computer -- but then
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> be able to figure their Gambas version out themselves).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once you have that, the System class has FullVersion which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gives
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gambas version as a string and you can compare it like this:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       $ gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >=
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Comp will return the sign (-1, 0 or 1) of subtracting the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version 3.10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> from your Gambas version. You want the comparison to yield 0 or
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With the above line, you will see either the string "True" or
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "False"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> printed to the terminal; you can make the output fancier.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOTE: gb.Natural makes the comparison by natural sort, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to compare version numbers. Observe:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10")'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10", gb.Natural)'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       -1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because "2" comes before "1" in the alphabet, the default
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lexicographic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> comparison mode declares the string "3.2" to be greater than
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "3.10",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but gb.Natural gets it right.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also never coerce the string version into a float for easier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comparison
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> because you'll run into nasty bugs caused by float roundoff.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tobi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Salut mikeB,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> reread what Tobi wrote: "which" is the magic command for that.
>>>>>>>>>>
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Thu Dec 14 20:23:57 2017
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 21:23:57 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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In Linux world things work via repositories and thus the newest version is
seldom available from them. So, the first question is, do you really
necessarily need newer, than the official repository version?
If you do, then you have to offer PPA for people using your software. You
could write script to uninstall possible old version, add PPA and finally
install latest Gambas. This way your customers do not have to do anything
else than give permission for the script.
Something like (start with the version detection given by Tobi):

sudo apt-get remove gambas3
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install gambas3

Quickly thinking that is the easiest way.


Jussi

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 7:18 PM, mikeB <mb at code-it.com> wrote:

> mikeB here again (i'm sure that most folks think i should just go away &
> figure it out myself- but just maybe others have these same questions?
> amd i'm having a heck of a time 'figuring it out myself' ;-(
>
>
> *******************************************************
> In comparing a setup file (VB6 to Gambas):
>
> VB6 INSTALL = the script of almost all M$ Windows install files includes
> at the very beginning the current VB runtime files (at least in any setup I
> ever created) to make sure the end users' system is up to date with the
> software being installed.
>
> GAMBAS INSTALL = if an app is developed using Gambas version 3.10 and the
> end users system has v3.8 runtime files installed (or none) the program
> (end user app) will not install - comes back with the message
> that v.10 runtime files are required. Not a peep on how to get them or
> offer to do it automatically.
> ********************************************************
>
> So - my question is = would there be a way to include the v.10 runtime
> files in the install script - to upgrade if needed - just like a VB6
> install? And if so,  would that cause any unforeseen problems?
>
> For the somewhat advanced Linux user - none of this matters much
> cuz they are use to handling these issues - but my concern is the
> person that just switched from Wins 10 to Linux 3 days ago - as I have
> a large following that I'm trying to help make the switch not only to
> Linux but to Gambas programming;-)  I want the end user to have NO problems
> installing a Gambas programmed app - just double click the file (to
> install) like they are use to. Not having to check v or anything else -
> just double click the file.
>
> Sorry for the long post as some of it was prob unnecessary,
> have a GREAT day,
> mikeB
>
>
> On 12/13/2017 02:22 PM, Gianluigi wrote:
>
>> Right, not only the runtime is not installed, nothing is installed.
>>
>> Regards
>> Gianluigi
>>
>> 2017-12-13 20:25 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>
>> That does not install anything. It just adds the repo and updates.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jussi
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:58 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry maybe I'm wrong, but I know this:
>>>>
>>>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
>>>>> sudo apt-get update
>>>>>
>>>> It does not install the runtime but only the libraries and therefore
>>>> what
>>>> we are saying here is useless.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Gianluigi
>>>>
>>>> 2017-12-13 19:25 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> There is standard for exit codes.
>>>>> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/exitcodes.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:02 PM, T Lee Davidson <
>>>>> t.lee.davidson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [shell-script]
>>>>>> #!/bin/bash
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which gbx3 &>/dev/null
>>>>>> if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then
>>>>>>      echo "Gambas runtime (gbx3) not found in path. Cannot continue."
>>>>>>      exit 1 # arbitrary exit code of your choice
>>>>>> fi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if [[ $(gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0')
>>>>>> ==
>>>>>> "False" ]]; then
>>>>>>      echo "So sorry."
>>>>>>      exit 2 # also an arbitrary exit code
>>>>>> fi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> # Great, do Gambas stuff now
>>>>>> [/shell-script]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The line under the "which" statement basically says, "If the exit code
>>>>>> from the 'which' command is not equal to zero, then..."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Strangely on my system, this prints, "So sorry," even though my
>>>>>> package
>>>>>> manager says version 3.10.0 of gambas-runtime is
>>>>>> installed. I have to assume that's an issue with the packager.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Lee
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/13/2017 12:33 PM, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OKAY then - I'll try that (what Tobi wrote). I just didn't really
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> understand it but I will after hack'n at it for awhile;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> THANKS - we can put this subject to bed unless someone has
>>>>>>> something else,
>>>>>>> mikeB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/13/2017 08:44 AM, Karl Reinl wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am Mittwoch, den 13.12.2017, 08:26 -0700 schrieb mikeB:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thats what i was thinking (works only if Gambas is installed) but
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I really would prefer NOT to force the end user to install Gambas
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> only the v10 runtime files that are required to run the Gambas
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> developed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> software/ program. A terminal command to just check if the v10
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> runtime
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> files are installed is really what I was looking for;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thanks to all that have taken to time to respond -
>>>>>>>>> it's highly APPRECIATED! Have learned something from every post.
>>>>>>>>> mikeB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/13/2017 07:43 AM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the suggestin from tobias are the best for check a specific
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> version string,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> due return a exact result, not an interpretative result
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> good, but only works if gambas are installed, if not return
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "commando not
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> found"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>>>>>>>>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-13 9:21 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <
>>>>>>>>>> jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> gbx3 -V
>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>> gbx3 --version
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Works also...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jussi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On my web site, that I offer software programmed using Gambas,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> notice :
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ***********
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> VERY IMPORTANT: before installing this app you will need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> install
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gambas
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Runtime  v10 files - most systems will not have these very new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> files
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> installed yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do so via the terminal commands:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudo apt-get update
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ***********
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now that Gambas runtime 10 files are more common - being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> install by the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Distro - is there a way for the user (terminal command) to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> check if
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> installed?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a real newbie question I'm sure but hey.. I'm a newbie!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any all help on this matter and have a GREAT day,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mikeB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> First check if the interpreter gbx3 is found in PATH, using the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "which"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> utility. If not, I wouldn't call Gambas properly installed
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (although
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> some people might disagree -- it's their computer -- but then
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> they will
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> be able to figure their Gambas version out themselves).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Once you have that, the System class has FullVersion which gives
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> you the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gambas version as a string and you can compare it like this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>      $ gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >=
>>>>>>>>>>>> 0'
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Comp will return the sign (-1, 0 or 1) of subtracting the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> version 3.10
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> from your Gambas version. You want the comparison to yield 0 or
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With the above line, you will see either the string "True" or
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "False"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> printed to the terminal; you can make the output fancier.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> NOTE: gb.Natural makes the comparison by natural sort, which is
>>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate
>>>>>>>>>>>> to compare version numbers. Observe:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>      $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10")'
>>>>>>>>>>>>      1
>>>>>>>>>>>>      $ gbx3 -e 'Comp("3.2", "3.10", gb.Natural)'
>>>>>>>>>>>>      -1
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because "2" comes before "1" in the alphabet, the default
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> lexicographic
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> comparison mode declares the string "3.2" to be greater than
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "3.10",
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but gb.Natural gets it right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Also never coerce the string version into a float for easier
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> comparison
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> because you'll run into nasty bugs caused by float roundoff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tobi
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Monk
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Salut mikeB,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> reread what Tobi wrote: "which" is the magic command for that.
>>>>>>>>
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From: taboege at gmail.com (Tobias Boege)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 20:37:40 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
> mikeB here again (i'm sure that most folks think i should just go away &
> figure it out myself- but just maybe others have these same questions?
> amd i'm having a heck of a time 'figuring it out myself' ;-(
> 
> 
> *******************************************************
> In comparing a setup file (VB6 to Gambas):
> 
> VB6 INSTALL = the script of almost all M$ Windows install files includes at
> the very beginning the current VB runtime files (at least in any setup I
> ever created) to make sure the end users' system is up to date with the
> software being installed.
> 
> GAMBAS INSTALL = if an app is developed using Gambas version 3.10 and the
> end users system has v3.8 runtime files installed (or none) the program (end
> user app) will not install - comes back with the message
> that v.10 runtime files are required. Not a peep on how to get them or
> offer to do it automatically.
> ********************************************************
> 
> So - my question is = would there be a way to include the v.10 runtime files
> in the install script - to upgrade if needed - just like a VB6 install? And
> if so,  would that cause any unforeseen problems?
> 
> For the somewhat advanced Linux user - none of this matters much
> cuz they are use to handling these issues - but my concern is the
> person that just switched from Wins 10 to Linux 3 days ago - as I have
> a large following that I'm trying to help make the switch not only to Linux
> but to Gambas programming;-)  I want the end user to have NO problems
> installing a Gambas programmed app - just double click the file (to install)
> like they are use to. Not having to check v or anything else - just double
> click the file.
> 
> Sorry for the long post as some of it was prob unnecessary,
> have a GREAT day,
> mikeB
> 

First of all, there seems to be Docker [1] if you want to distribute a
program with all its dependencies. I have a hard time understanding their
jargon, but the docs [2] contain these sentences:

  Portable deployment across machines. Docker defines a format for bundling
  an application and all its dependencies into a single object called a
  container. This container can be transferred to any Docker-enabled machine.
  The container can be executed there with the guarantee that the execution
  environment exposed to the application will be the same in development,
  testing, and production.

I have no idea how they do that and what is costs. You would hope they don't
throw all the libraries into an image, because that could turn out to be
huge for Gambas, if you tie in the QT libraries, for instance. (Their logo
kind of suggests that.) On the plus side, your customers won't need Linux
anymore :-)

I won't say any more about Docker, because I never used it and others here
may have, and I don't have time to do more research about it now.

> So - my question is = would there be a way to include the v.10 runtime files
> in the install script - to upgrade if needed - just like a VB6 install? And
> if so,  would that cause any unforeseen problems?

It's not clear how to do that. The merit of Docker is probably that
they figured out a way to do this without messing up and it seems to
be intricate. You can't simply ship a native library compiled for your
home computer together with your Gambas program and expect it to work
on someone else's raspberry pi because, for starters, that processor
has a different instruction set.

Besides the feasibility, who *wants* you to ship them their dependencies
with every one of your programs? Assuming they trust you not to put in
anything malicious, it's a waste of space as soon as one gets more than
one of your programs. Let me just say in closing this line of thought
that you're not the first one who thought about that, but it generally
seems to be a mess and people eventually turn to the Right Way.

And that is to install programs with your package manager, which will
take care of installing dependencies system-wide. This raises the question
how you distribute your programs currently and what exactly

> comes back with the message that v.10 runtime files are required

means. If you target Ubuntu, we have a PPA with a current Gambas version,
as you know. You would have to tell your people once that they must enable
this PPA (and nothing more) and afterwards you can give them installation
packages made by the IDE and all components will be installed as they are
needed, automatically on double click -- and it /should/ actually work in
practice, too!

Did you find the "Make installation package" functionality already and
does it fail you?

Regards,
Tobi

[1] https://www.docker.com/
[2] https://docs.docker.com/engine/faq/

-- 
"There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk

From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Thu Dec 14 20:51:40 2017
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 21:51:40 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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Of course, Tobi is right. You do not have to install gambas on their
system, just add the PPA and package manager should pull everything it
needs.
Just make sure possible old gambas installation is removed.


Jussi

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
> > mikeB here again (i'm sure that most folks think i should just go away &
> > figure it out myself- but just maybe others have these same questions?
> > amd i'm having a heck of a time 'figuring it out myself' ;-(
> >
> >
> > *******************************************************
> > In comparing a setup file (VB6 to Gambas):
> >
> > VB6 INSTALL = the script of almost all M$ Windows install files includes
> at
> > the very beginning the current VB runtime files (at least in any setup I
> > ever created) to make sure the end users' system is up to date with the
> > software being installed.
> >
> > GAMBAS INSTALL = if an app is developed using Gambas version 3.10 and the
> > end users system has v3.8 runtime files installed (or none) the program
> (end
> > user app) will not install - comes back with the message
> > that v.10 runtime files are required. Not a peep on how to get them or
> > offer to do it automatically.
> > ********************************************************
> >
> > So - my question is = would there be a way to include the v.10 runtime
> files
> > in the install script - to upgrade if needed - just like a VB6 install?
> And
> > if so,  would that cause any unforeseen problems?
> >
> > For the somewhat advanced Linux user - none of this matters much
> > cuz they are use to handling these issues - but my concern is the
> > person that just switched from Wins 10 to Linux 3 days ago - as I have
> > a large following that I'm trying to help make the switch not only to
> Linux
> > but to Gambas programming;-)  I want the end user to have NO problems
> > installing a Gambas programmed app - just double click the file (to
> install)
> > like they are use to. Not having to check v or anything else - just
> double
> > click the file.
> >
> > Sorry for the long post as some of it was prob unnecessary,
> > have a GREAT day,
> > mikeB
> >
>
> First of all, there seems to be Docker [1] if you want to distribute a
> program with all its dependencies. I have a hard time understanding their
> jargon, but the docs [2] contain these sentences:
>
>   Portable deployment across machines. Docker defines a format for bundling
>   an application and all its dependencies into a single object called a
>   container. This container can be transferred to any Docker-enabled
> machine.
>   The container can be executed there with the guarantee that the execution
>   environment exposed to the application will be the same in development,
>   testing, and production.
>
> I have no idea how they do that and what is costs. You would hope they
> don't
> throw all the libraries into an image, because that could turn out to be
> huge for Gambas, if you tie in the QT libraries, for instance. (Their logo
> kind of suggests that.) On the plus side, your customers won't need Linux
> anymore :-)
>
> I won't say any more about Docker, because I never used it and others here
> may have, and I don't have time to do more research about it now.
>
> > So - my question is = would there be a way to include the v.10 runtime
> files
> > in the install script - to upgrade if needed - just like a VB6 install?
> And
> > if so,  would that cause any unforeseen problems?
>
> It's not clear how to do that. The merit of Docker is probably that
> they figured out a way to do this without messing up and it seems to
> be intricate. You can't simply ship a native library compiled for your
> home computer together with your Gambas program and expect it to work
> on someone else's raspberry pi because, for starters, that processor
> has a different instruction set.
>
> Besides the feasibility, who *wants* you to ship them their dependencies
> with every one of your programs? Assuming they trust you not to put in
> anything malicious, it's a waste of space as soon as one gets more than
> one of your programs. Let me just say in closing this line of thought
> that you're not the first one who thought about that, but it generally
> seems to be a mess and people eventually turn to the Right Way.
>
> And that is to install programs with your package manager, which will
> take care of installing dependencies system-wide. This raises the question
> how you distribute your programs currently and what exactly
>
> > comes back with the message that v.10 runtime files are required
>
> means. If you target Ubuntu, we have a PPA with a current Gambas version,
> as you know. You would have to tell your people once that they must enable
> this PPA (and nothing more) and afterwards you can give them installation
> packages made by the IDE and all components will be installed as they are
> needed, automatically on double click -- and it /should/ actually work in
> practice, too!
>
> Did you find the "Make installation package" functionality already and
> does it fail you?
>
> Regards,
> Tobi
>
> [1] https://www.docker.com/
> [2] https://docs.docker.com/engine/faq/
>
> --
> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk
>
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>
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>
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Thu Dec 14 22:25:34 2017
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 22:25:34 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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Yours is the right way.
We must think that here we are talking about Ubuntu.
Who routinely uses this distro definitely does not lack disk space and 200
GB more or less does not matter.
If mikeB's customers install una tantum a complete Gambas3, then they will
only have to add the few KB of the executables.
It seems to me an acceptable and very very simple solution.

Regards
Gianluigi

2017-12-14 20:51 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:

> Of course, Tobi is right. You do not have to install gambas on their
> system, just add the PPA and package manager should pull everything it
> needs.
> Just make sure possible old gambas installation is removed.
>
>
> Jussi
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 14 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>> > mikeB here again (i'm sure that most folks think i should just go away &
>> > figure it out myself- but just maybe others have these same questions?
>> > amd i'm having a heck of a time 'figuring it out myself' ;-(
>> >
>> >
>> > *******************************************************
>> > In comparing a setup file (VB6 to Gambas):
>> >
>> > VB6 INSTALL = the script of almost all M$ Windows install files
>> includes at
>> > the very beginning the current VB runtime files (at least in any setup I
>> > ever created) to make sure the end users' system is up to date with the
>> > software being installed.
>> >
>> > GAMBAS INSTALL = if an app is developed using Gambas version 3.10 and
>> the
>> > end users system has v3.8 runtime files installed (or none) the program
>> (end
>> > user app) will not install - comes back with the message
>> > that v.10 runtime files are required. Not a peep on how to get them or
>> > offer to do it automatically.
>> > ********************************************************
>> >
>> > So - my question is = would there be a way to include the v.10 runtime
>> files
>> > in the install script - to upgrade if needed - just like a VB6 install?
>> And
>> > if so,  would that cause any unforeseen problems?
>> >
>> > For the somewhat advanced Linux user - none of this matters much
>> > cuz they are use to handling these issues - but my concern is the
>> > person that just switched from Wins 10 to Linux 3 days ago - as I have
>> > a large following that I'm trying to help make the switch not only to
>> Linux
>> > but to Gambas programming;-)  I want the end user to have NO problems
>> > installing a Gambas programmed app - just double click the file (to
>> install)
>> > like they are use to. Not having to check v or anything else - just
>> double
>> > click the file.
>> >
>> > Sorry for the long post as some of it was prob unnecessary,
>> > have a GREAT day,
>> > mikeB
>> >
>>
>> First of all, there seems to be Docker [1] if you want to distribute a
>> program with all its dependencies. I have a hard time understanding their
>> jargon, but the docs [2] contain these sentences:
>>
>>   Portable deployment across machines. Docker defines a format for
>> bundling
>>   an application and all its dependencies into a single object called a
>>   container. This container can be transferred to any Docker-enabled
>> machine.
>>   The container can be executed there with the guarantee that the
>> execution
>>   environment exposed to the application will be the same in development,
>>   testing, and production.
>>
>> I have no idea how they do that and what is costs. You would hope they
>> don't
>> throw all the libraries into an image, because that could turn out to be
>> huge for Gambas, if you tie in the QT libraries, for instance. (Their logo
>> kind of suggests that.) On the plus side, your customers won't need Linux
>> anymore :-)
>>
>> I won't say any more about Docker, because I never used it and others here
>> may have, and I don't have time to do more research about it now.
>>
>> > So - my question is = would there be a way to include the v.10 runtime
>> files
>> > in the install script - to upgrade if needed - just like a VB6 install?
>> And
>> > if so,  would that cause any unforeseen problems?
>>
>> It's not clear how to do that. The merit of Docker is probably that
>> they figured out a way to do this without messing up and it seems to
>> be intricate. You can't simply ship a native library compiled for your
>> home computer together with your Gambas program and expect it to work
>> on someone else's raspberry pi because, for starters, that processor
>> has a different instruction set.
>>
>> Besides the feasibility, who *wants* you to ship them their dependencies
>> with every one of your programs? Assuming they trust you not to put in
>> anything malicious, it's a waste of space as soon as one gets more than
>> one of your programs. Let me just say in closing this line of thought
>> that you're not the first one who thought about that, but it generally
>> seems to be a mess and people eventually turn to the Right Way.
>>
>> And that is to install programs with your package manager, which will
>> take care of installing dependencies system-wide. This raises the question
>> how you distribute your programs currently and what exactly
>>
>> > comes back with the message that v.10 runtime files are required
>>
>> means. If you target Ubuntu, we have a PPA with a current Gambas version,
>> as you know. You would have to tell your people once that they must enable
>> this PPA (and nothing more) and afterwards you can give them installation
>> packages made by the IDE and all components will be installed as they are
>> needed, automatically on double click -- and it /should/ actually work in
>> practice, too!
>>
>> Did you find the "Make installation package" functionality already and
>> does it fail you?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tobi
>>
>> [1] https://www.docker.com/
>> [2] https://docs.docker.com/engine/faq/
>>
>> --
>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>>
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>> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
>>
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>>
>
>
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From dosida at gmail.com  Thu Dec 14 22:46:02 2017
From: dosida at gmail.com (Dimitris Anogiatis)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 14:46:02 -0700
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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Docker might be a slight overkill for Gambas apps, in terms of storage...
with the introduction of AppImage, Snap, and Flatpak distribution systems,
if I was to approach this problem of one piece of software working on many
distributions or even different versions of the same distribution I would
research on those 3. Now Given that the IDE does not support any of those
3, a bash script might need to be created in order to pack up the libraries,
executable, and resource files, and create the cross-distro-cross-version
package.

Hope this helps

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yours is the right way.
> We must think that here we are talking about Ubuntu.
> Who routinely uses this distro definitely does not lack disk space and 200
> GB more or less does not matter.
> If mikeB's customers install una tantum a complete Gambas3, then they will
> only have to add the few KB of the executables.
> It seems to me an acceptable and very very simple solution.
>
> Regards
> Gianluigi
>
> 2017-12-14 20:51 GMT+01:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:
>
>> Of course, Tobi is right. You do not have to install gambas on their
>> system, just add the PPA and package manager should pull everything it
>> needs.
>> Just make sure possible old gambas installation is removed.
>>
>>
>> Jussi
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 14 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>> > mikeB here again (i'm sure that most folks think i should just go away
>>> &
>>> > figure it out myself- but just maybe others have these same questions?
>>> > amd i'm having a heck of a time 'figuring it out myself' ;-(
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > *******************************************************
>>> > In comparing a setup file (VB6 to Gambas):
>>> >
>>> > VB6 INSTALL = the script of almost all M$ Windows install files
>>> includes at
>>> > the very beginning the current VB runtime files (at least in any setup
>>> I
>>> > ever created) to make sure the end users' system is up to date with the
>>> > software being installed.
>>> >
>>> > GAMBAS INSTALL = if an app is developed using Gambas version 3.10 and
>>> the
>>> > end users system has v3.8 runtime files installed (or none) the
>>> program (end
>>> > user app) will not install - comes back with the message
>>> > that v.10 runtime files are required. Not a peep on how to get them or
>>> > offer to do it automatically.
>>> > ********************************************************
>>> >
>>> > So - my question is = would there be a way to include the v.10 runtime
>>> files
>>> > in the install script - to upgrade if needed - just like a VB6
>>> install? And
>>> > if so,  would that cause any unforeseen problems?
>>> >
>>> > For the somewhat advanced Linux user - none of this matters much
>>> > cuz they are use to handling these issues - but my concern is the
>>> > person that just switched from Wins 10 to Linux 3 days ago - as I have
>>> > a large following that I'm trying to help make the switch not only to
>>> Linux
>>> > but to Gambas programming;-)  I want the end user to have NO problems
>>> > installing a Gambas programmed app - just double click the file (to
>>> install)
>>> > like they are use to. Not having to check v or anything else - just
>>> double
>>> > click the file.
>>> >
>>> > Sorry for the long post as some of it was prob unnecessary,
>>> > have a GREAT day,
>>> > mikeB
>>> >
>>>
>>> First of all, there seems to be Docker [1] if you want to distribute a
>>> program with all its dependencies. I have a hard time understanding their
>>> jargon, but the docs [2] contain these sentences:
>>>
>>>   Portable deployment across machines. Docker defines a format for
>>> bundling
>>>   an application and all its dependencies into a single object called a
>>>   container. This container can be transferred to any Docker-enabled
>>> machine.
>>>   The container can be executed there with the guarantee that the
>>> execution
>>>   environment exposed to the application will be the same in development,
>>>   testing, and production.
>>>
>>> I have no idea how they do that and what is costs. You would hope they
>>> don't
>>> throw all the libraries into an image, because that could turn out to be
>>> huge for Gambas, if you tie in the QT libraries, for instance. (Their
>>> logo
>>> kind of suggests that.) On the plus side, your customers won't need Linux
>>> anymore :-)
>>>
>>> I won't say any more about Docker, because I never used it and others
>>> here
>>> may have, and I don't have time to do more research about it now.
>>>
>>> > So - my question is = would there be a way to include the v.10 runtime
>>> files
>>> > in the install script - to upgrade if needed - just like a VB6
>>> install? And
>>> > if so,  would that cause any unforeseen problems?
>>>
>>> It's not clear how to do that. The merit of Docker is probably that
>>> they figured out a way to do this without messing up and it seems to
>>> be intricate. You can't simply ship a native library compiled for your
>>> home computer together with your Gambas program and expect it to work
>>> on someone else's raspberry pi because, for starters, that processor
>>> has a different instruction set.
>>>
>>> Besides the feasibility, who *wants* you to ship them their dependencies
>>> with every one of your programs? Assuming they trust you not to put in
>>> anything malicious, it's a waste of space as soon as one gets more than
>>> one of your programs. Let me just say in closing this line of thought
>>> that you're not the first one who thought about that, but it generally
>>> seems to be a mess and people eventually turn to the Right Way.
>>>
>>> And that is to install programs with your package manager, which will
>>> take care of installing dependencies system-wide. This raises the
>>> question
>>> how you distribute your programs currently and what exactly
>>>
>>> > comes back with the message that v.10 runtime files are required
>>>
>>> means. If you target Ubuntu, we have a PPA with a current Gambas version,
>>> as you know. You would have to tell your people once that they must
>>> enable
>>> this PPA (and nothing more) and afterwards you can give them installation
>>> packages made by the IDE and all components will be installed as they are
>>> needed, automatically on double click -- and it /should/ actually work in
>>> practice, too!
>>>
>>> Did you find the "Make installation package" functionality already and
>>> does it fail you?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Tobi
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.docker.com/
>>> [2] https://docs.docker.com/engine/faq/
>>>
>>> --
>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>
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>>> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
>>>
>>> Hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
>>>
>>
>>
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From mb at code-it.com  Thu Dec 14 23:42:39 2017
From: mb at code-it.com (mikeB)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 15:42:39 -0700
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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Okay - I think I completely understand what needs to be done and
of course my goal is not "your customers won't need Linux
anymore :-) Was just thinking out load in presenting the
original question. Think that "Docker" is prob doing what
"VB Wrap" did - wrapping EVERYTHING into one executable file.

I am beginning to love the 'Linux way' but folks that have
used Windows for a long time mostly just don't "get it"
and just want to get their stuff done - (also for me it's hard
to erase almost 20 years of programming experience with VB)
At least that's what I'm finding from my following that are
making the big switch - I know how they fell as I am also a
newbie with years of learning ahead of me;-)

Thank you personally to all that gave advise and especially
to you Tobi for your time and expertise.
I will be following your advise.

I'm putting this subject to rest and consider it resolved -
have a GREAT day,
mikeB



On 12/14/2017 12:37 PM, Tobias Boege wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>> mikeB here again (i'm sure that most folks think i should just go away &
>> figure it out myself- but just maybe others have these same questions?
>> amd i'm having a heck of a time 'figuring it out myself' ;-(
>>
>>
>> *******************************************************
>> In comparing a setup file (VB6 to Gambas):
>>
>> VB6 INSTALL = the script of almost all M$ Windows install files includes at
>> the very beginning the current VB runtime files (at least in any setup I
>> ever created) to make sure the end users' system is up to date with the
>> software being installed.
>>
>> GAMBAS INSTALL = if an app is developed using Gambas version 3.10 and the
>> end users system has v3.8 runtime files installed (or none) the program (end
>> user app) will not install - comes back with the message
>> that v.10 runtime files are required. Not a peep on how to get them or
>> offer to do it automatically.
>> ********************************************************
>>
>> So - my question is = would there be a way to include the v.10 runtime files
>> in the install script - to upgrade if needed - just like a VB6 install? And
>> if so,  would that cause any unforeseen problems?
>>
>> For the somewhat advanced Linux user - none of this matters much
>> cuz they are use to handling these issues - but my concern is the
>> person that just switched from Wins 10 to Linux 3 days ago - as I have
>> a large following that I'm trying to help make the switch not only to Linux
>> but to Gambas programming;-)  I want the end user to have NO problems
>> installing a Gambas programmed app - just double click the file (to install)
>> like they are use to. Not having to check v or anything else - just double
>> click the file.
>>
>> Sorry for the long post as some of it was prob unnecessary,
>> have a GREAT day,
>> mikeB
>>
> 
> First of all, there seems to be Docker [1] if you want to distribute a
> program with all its dependencies. I have a hard time understanding their
> jargon, but the docs [2] contain these sentences:
> 
>    Portable deployment across machines. Docker defines a format for bundling
>    an application and all its dependencies into a single object called a
>    container. This container can be transferred to any Docker-enabled machine.
>    The container can be executed there with the guarantee that the execution
>    environment exposed to the application will be the same in development,
>    testing, and production.
> 
> I have no idea how they do that and what is costs. You would hope they don't
> throw all the libraries into an image, because that could turn out to be
> huge for Gambas, if you tie in the QT libraries, for instance. (Their logo
> kind of suggests that.) On the plus side, your customers won't need Linux
> anymore :-)
> 
> I won't say any more about Docker, because I never used it and others here
> may have, and I don't have time to do more research about it now.
> 
>> So - my question is = would there be a way to include the v.10 runtime files
>> in the install script - to upgrade if needed - just like a VB6 install? And
>> if so,  would that cause any unforeseen problems?
> 
> It's not clear how to do that. The merit of Docker is probably that
> they figured out a way to do this without messing up and it seems to
> be intricate. You can't simply ship a native library compiled for your
> home computer together with your Gambas program and expect it to work
> on someone else's raspberry pi because, for starters, that processor
> has a different instruction set.
> 
> Besides the feasibility, who *wants* you to ship them their dependencies
> with every one of your programs? Assuming they trust you not to put in
> anything malicious, it's a waste of space as soon as one gets more than
> one of your programs. Let me just say in closing this line of thought
> that you're not the first one who thought about that, but it generally
> seems to be a mess and people eventually turn to the Right Way.
> 
> And that is to install programs with your package manager, which will
> take care of installing dependencies system-wide. This raises the question
> how you distribute your programs currently and what exactly
> 
>> comes back with the message that v.10 runtime files are required
> 
> means. If you target Ubuntu, we have a PPA with a current Gambas version,
> as you know. You would have to tell your people once that they must enable
> this PPA (and nothing more) and afterwards you can give them installation
> packages made by the IDE and all components will be installed as they are
> needed, automatically on double click -- and it /should/ actually work in
> practice, too!
> 
> Did you find the "Make installation package" functionality already and
> does it fail you?
> 
> Regards,
> Tobi
> 
> [1] https://www.docker.com/
> [2] https://docs.docker.com/engine/faq/
> 

From criguada at gmail.com  Thu Dec 14 23:58:20 2017
From: criguada at gmail.com (Cristiano Guadagnino)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 23:58:20 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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Hi mikeB!

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:42 PM, mikeB <mb at code-it.com> wrote:

> (...)
> original question. Think that "Docker" is prob doing what
> "VB Wrap" did - wrapping EVERYTHING into one executable file.
>

No. Actually you can consider a docker container something like a
VirtualBox disk image. It is much lighter due to the way linux kernel
virtualization works, but it still is a VM image. So, as Dimitris told you,
it would be overkill.

On the other hand, if you want something like "VB wrap", you should really
follow Dimitris hint and look into AppImage, Snap or Flatpak. Wikipedia is
a good start.

Hope this helps
Cris
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From: bugtracker at gambaswiki.org (bugtracker at gambaswiki.org)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 00:01:17 GMT
Subject: [Gambas-user] [Gambas Bug Tracker] Bug #1216: umask ignored by
 gambas while Mkdir command used
In-Reply-To: <BUG1216@gambaswiki.org>
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Message-ID: <BUG1216:20171215010116946@gambaswiki.org>

http://gambaswiki.org/bugtracker/edit?object=BUG.1216&from=L21haW4-

Comment #6 by Damien COTTIER:

Hi i did'nt get answer to my last comment

The /sbin/mkdir command seem to use 0775 by default and not 0755.

Regards,
Damien.

Damien COTTIER changed the state of the bug to: Opened.



From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 01:08:42 2017
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 02:08:42 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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I see that might be useful, but in the long run, it may create problems.
Example who updates/batches vulnerable libraries in the images? Or are they
all run in sandboxes? Or..?
Normally your system does this, now you have to trust to the provider of
the application image.


Jussi

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 12:58 AM, Cristiano Guadagnino <criguada at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi mikeB!
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:42 PM, mikeB <mb at code-it.com> wrote:
>
>> (...)
>> original question. Think that "Docker" is prob doing what
>> "VB Wrap" did - wrapping EVERYTHING into one executable file.
>>
>
> No. Actually you can consider a docker container something like a
> VirtualBox disk image. It is much lighter due to the way linux kernel
> virtualization works, but it still is a VM image. So, as Dimitris told you,
> it would be overkill.
>
> On the other hand, if you want something like "VB wrap", you should really
> follow Dimitris hint and look into AppImage, Snap or Flatpak. Wikipedia is
> a good start.
>
> Hope this helps
> Cris
>
>
>
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From: bugtracker at gambaswiki.org (bugtracker at gambaswiki.org)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 00:15:21 GMT
Subject: [Gambas-user] [Gambas Bug Tracker] Bug #1216: umask ignored by
 gambas while Mkdir command used
In-Reply-To: <BUG1216@gambaswiki.org>
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http://gambaswiki.org/bugtracker/edit?object=BUG.1216&from=L21haW4-

Comment #7 by Beno?t MINISINI:

I see no good reason in allowing by default the group to enter a newly created directory. Just call CHMOD after MKDIR to set the rights you want. What's the problem with that?



From rwe-sse at osnanet.de  Fri Dec 15 08:47:54 2017
From: rwe-sse at osnanet.de (Rolf-Werner Eilert)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 08:47:54 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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Am 14.12.2017 22:46, schrieb Dimitris Anogiatis:
> Docker might be a slight overkill for Gambas apps, in terms of
> storage...  with the introduction of AppImage, Snap, and Flatpak
> distribution systems,


Yes! AppImage - the Scribus guys use this to provide a 
still-not-quite-ready version for the daring. For instance, the new qt5 
version of it ran like a charm on my old, qt4-only system. So I had a 
chance to test it without having the libraries installed.

However, it was an English-only version, and the translations didn't 
run, so there might be limitations.

How does LibreOffice do it? I can install any newer version on any older 
system without hassle. There is just one big rpm, and the language pack 
has to be installed separately.

How does Mozilla do it? Up to a certain level, I could install newer 
Firefox versions. Some day it stopped, don't remember why, but it missed 
some later libraries, probably kernel libs. Today newer Firefox versions 
are provided through the repos of my distro (Suse).

Would it be possible to keep "runtime" and "IDE" parts of Gambas 
strictly apart? For users just installing a Gambas application, the 
installation script would only have to look for the latest runtime part. 
Just like with Python, Java etc.

Regards
Rolf


From taboege at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 09:34:30 2017
From: taboege at gmail.com (Tobias Boege)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 09:34:30 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2017, Rolf-Werner Eilert wrote:
> Would it be possible to keep "runtime" and "IDE" parts of Gambas strictly
> apart? For users just installing a Gambas application, the installation
> script would only have to look for the latest runtime part. Just like with
> Python, Java etc.
> 

But this is what we do, no? There's a package gambas3-runtime and a separate
package gambas3-ide. If your distribution doesn't have these two, it is
packaging Gambas incorrectly [1]. They might provide a package group called
"gambas3" on top, which contains everything, for convenience.

If you make an installation package of your program, the runtime will be a
dependency, but the IDE very likely not. AFAICS, Python and Java don't have
an official IDE for the language. You're free to ignore the IDE to have
the same effect.

Regards,
Tobi

[1] http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/howto/package

-- 
"There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk

From rwe-sse at osnanet.de  Fri Dec 15 13:28:52 2017
From: rwe-sse at osnanet.de (Rolf-Werner Eilert)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 13:28:52 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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Am 15.12.2017 09:34, schrieb Tobias Boege:
> On Fri, 15 Dec 2017, Rolf-Werner Eilert wrote:
>> Would it be possible to keep "runtime" and "IDE" parts of Gambas strictly
>> apart? For users just installing a Gambas application, the installation
>> script would only have to look for the latest runtime part. Just like with
>> Python, Java etc.
>>
>
> But this is what we do, no? There's a package gambas3-runtime and a separate
> package gambas3-ide. If your distribution doesn't have these two, it is
> packaging Gambas incorrectly [1]. They might provide a package group called
> "gambas3" on top, which contains everything, for convenience.

No idea. I know how to install everything from Yast (I am on Suse), and 
maybe I don't care for package names. So I wasn't aware it is already 
done like this.

>
> If you make an installation package of your program, the runtime will be a
> dependency, but the IDE very likely not. AFAICS, Python and Java don't have
> an official IDE for the language. You're free to ignore the IDE to have
> the same effect.

Ok, thank you for the hint!

Regards
Rolf


From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 16:03:14 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 11:03:14 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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hi mikeB

i understand your quiestion.. some disck setupd have in their root
filesystems the dll for VB runtime (take in consideration this only works
for older VB until version 6, for .NET this not works so easyle)

same can work for gambas, but as tobias said docker its the only way due
unless VB its not enought include only a share lib.. also need at least two
or fourt files more for a preliminar gambas windows popup (apart of
detection of the toolkit)

in adition, in nomadays, those VB runtime (the famous DLL file) was only
need and the exec to lauch due the rest of need files was installed by the
OS, due VB was highly integrated in the sub-graphics system

that case its not same in gambas, due gambas firts must detect the toolkit
(windows redenring engine) and then select the proper module to render the
window.

obviously the diocker solution it's too complicated for only detect and
point to users where to do..

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2017-12-14 15:37 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>:

> On Thu, 14 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
> > mikeB here again (i'm sure that most folks think i should just go away &
> > figure it out myself- but just maybe others have these same questions?
> > amd i'm having a heck of a time 'figuring it out myself' ;-(
> >
> >
> > *******************************************************
> > In comparing a setup file (VB6 to Gambas):
> >
> > VB6 INSTALL = the script of almost all M$ Windows install files includes
> at
> > the very beginning the current VB runtime files (at least in any setup I
> > ever created) to make sure the end users' system is up to date with the
> > software being installed.
> >
> > GAMBAS INSTALL = if an app is developed using Gambas version 3.10 and the
> > end users system has v3.8 runtime files installed (or none) the program
> (end
> > user app) will not install - comes back with the message
> > that v.10 runtime files are required. Not a peep on how to get them or
> > offer to do it automatically.
> > ********************************************************
> >
> > So - my question is = would there be a way to include the v.10 runtime
> files
> > in the install script - to upgrade if needed - just like a VB6 install?
> And
> > if so,  would that cause any unforeseen problems?
> >
> > For the somewhat advanced Linux user - none of this matters much
> > cuz they are use to handling these issues - but my concern is the
> > person that just switched from Wins 10 to Linux 3 days ago - as I have
> > a large following that I'm trying to help make the switch not only to
> Linux
> > but to Gambas programming;-)  I want the end user to have NO problems
> > installing a Gambas programmed app - just double click the file (to
> install)
> > like they are use to. Not having to check v or anything else - just
> double
> > click the file.
> >
> > Sorry for the long post as some of it was prob unnecessary,
> > have a GREAT day,
> > mikeB
> >
>
> First of all, there seems to be Docker [1] if you want to distribute a
> program with all its dependencies. I have a hard time understanding their
> jargon, but the docs [2] contain these sentences:
>
>   Portable deployment across machines. Docker defines a format for bundling
>   an application and all its dependencies into a single object called a
>   container. This container can be transferred to any Docker-enabled
> machine.
>   The container can be executed there with the guarantee that the execution
>   environment exposed to the application will be the same in development,
>   testing, and production.
>
> I have no idea how they do that and what is costs. You would hope they
> don't
> throw all the libraries into an image, because that could turn out to be
> huge for Gambas, if you tie in the QT libraries, for instance. (Their logo
> kind of suggests that.) On the plus side, your customers won't need Linux
> anymore :-)
>
> I won't say any more about Docker, because I never used it and others here
> may have, and I don't have time to do more research about it now.
>
> > So - my question is = would there be a way to include the v.10 runtime
> files
> > in the install script - to upgrade if needed - just like a VB6 install?
> And
> > if so,  would that cause any unforeseen problems?
>
> It's not clear how to do that. The merit of Docker is probably that
> they figured out a way to do this without messing up and it seems to
> be intricate. You can't simply ship a native library compiled for your
> home computer together with your Gambas program and expect it to work
> on someone else's raspberry pi because, for starters, that processor
> has a different instruction set.
>
> Besides the feasibility, who *wants* you to ship them their dependencies
> with every one of your programs? Assuming they trust you not to put in
> anything malicious, it's a waste of space as soon as one gets more than
> one of your programs. Let me just say in closing this line of thought
> that you're not the first one who thought about that, but it generally
> seems to be a mess and people eventually turn to the Right Way.
>
> And that is to install programs with your package manager, which will
> take care of installing dependencies system-wide. This raises the question
> how you distribute your programs currently and what exactly
>
> > comes back with the message that v.10 runtime files are required
>
> means. If you target Ubuntu, we have a PPA with a current Gambas version,
> as you know. You would have to tell your people once that they must enable
> this PPA (and nothing more) and afterwards you can give them installation
> packages made by the IDE and all components will be installed as they are
> needed, automatically on double click -- and it /should/ actually work in
> practice, too!
>
> Did you find the "Make installation package" functionality already and
> does it fail you?
>
> Regards,
> Tobi
>
> [1] https://www.docker.com/
> [2] https://docs.docker.com/engine/faq/
>
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>
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 16:53:15 2017
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 16:53:15 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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After reading carefully everything written here and of course without
offense to any of you, that you know of Gambas and Linux much more than me,
I think the system that best of all "simulates" the installation of a
program in Windows is a script which, if an old Gambas installation is
present, removes it, installs the one that is consistent with the Gambas
executable and copies the executable by asking the user where.
Then a double click is enough and everything works properly.
What would be the contraindication, the installation of the IDE?
We talk about open source with the IDE the customer can download the code
and read it, change it etc. but it can not alter the executable.
A fantastic thing we give everything and can not mess up anything.

Regards
Gianluigi

2017-12-15 16:03 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:

> hi mikeB
>
> i understand your quiestion.. some disck setupd have in their root
> filesystems the dll for VB runtime (take in consideration this only works
> for older VB until version 6, for .NET this not works so easyle)
>
> same can work for gambas, but as tobias said docker its the only way due
> unless VB its not enought include only a share lib.. also need at least two
> or fourt files more for a preliminar gambas windows popup (apart of
> detection of the toolkit)
>
> in adition, in nomadays, those VB runtime (the famous DLL file) was only
> need and the exec to lauch due the rest of need files was installed by the
> OS, due VB was highly integrated in the sub-graphics system
>
> that case its not same in gambas, due gambas firts must detect the toolkit
> (windows redenring engine) and then select the proper module to render the
> window.
>
> obviously the diocker solution it's too complicated for only detect and
> point to users where to do..
>
> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>
> 2017-12-14 15:37 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>:
>
>> On Thu, 14 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>> > mikeB here again (i'm sure that most folks think i should just go away &
>> > figure it out myself- but just maybe others have these same questions?
>> > amd i'm having a heck of a time 'figuring it out myself' ;-(
>> >
>> >
>> > *******************************************************
>> > In comparing a setup file (VB6 to Gambas):
>> >
>> > VB6 INSTALL = the script of almost all M$ Windows install files
>> includes at
>> > the very beginning the current VB runtime files (at least in any setup I
>> > ever created) to make sure the end users' system is up to date with the
>> > software being installed.
>> >
>> > GAMBAS INSTALL = if an app is developed using Gambas version 3.10 and
>> the
>> > end users system has v3.8 runtime files installed (or none) the program
>> (end
>> > user app) will not install - comes back with the message
>> > that v.10 runtime files are required. Not a peep on how to get them or
>> > offer to do it automatically.
>> > ********************************************************
>> >
>> > So - my question is = would there be a way to include the v.10 runtime
>> files
>> > in the install script - to upgrade if needed - just like a VB6 install?
>> And
>> > if so,  would that cause any unforeseen problems?
>> >
>> > For the somewhat advanced Linux user - none of this matters much
>> > cuz they are use to handling these issues - but my concern is the
>> > person that just switched from Wins 10 to Linux 3 days ago - as I have
>> > a large following that I'm trying to help make the switch not only to
>> Linux
>> > but to Gambas programming;-)  I want the end user to have NO problems
>> > installing a Gambas programmed app - just double click the file (to
>> install)
>> > like they are use to. Not having to check v or anything else - just
>> double
>> > click the file.
>> >
>> > Sorry for the long post as some of it was prob unnecessary,
>> > have a GREAT day,
>> > mikeB
>> >
>>
>> First of all, there seems to be Docker [1] if you want to distribute a
>> program with all its dependencies. I have a hard time understanding their
>> jargon, but the docs [2] contain these sentences:
>>
>>   Portable deployment across machines. Docker defines a format for
>> bundling
>>   an application and all its dependencies into a single object called a
>>   container. This container can be transferred to any Docker-enabled
>> machine.
>>   The container can be executed there with the guarantee that the
>> execution
>>   environment exposed to the application will be the same in development,
>>   testing, and production.
>>
>> I have no idea how they do that and what is costs. You would hope they
>> don't
>> throw all the libraries into an image, because that could turn out to be
>> huge for Gambas, if you tie in the QT libraries, for instance. (Their logo
>> kind of suggests that.) On the plus side, your customers won't need Linux
>> anymore :-)
>>
>> I won't say any more about Docker, because I never used it and others here
>> may have, and I don't have time to do more research about it now.
>>
>> > So - my question is = would there be a way to include the v.10 runtime
>> files
>> > in the install script - to upgrade if needed - just like a VB6 install?
>> And
>> > if so,  would that cause any unforeseen problems?
>>
>> It's not clear how to do that. The merit of Docker is probably that
>> they figured out a way to do this without messing up and it seems to
>> be intricate. You can't simply ship a native library compiled for your
>> home computer together with your Gambas program and expect it to work
>> on someone else's raspberry pi because, for starters, that processor
>> has a different instruction set.
>>
>> Besides the feasibility, who *wants* you to ship them their dependencies
>> with every one of your programs? Assuming they trust you not to put in
>> anything malicious, it's a waste of space as soon as one gets more than
>> one of your programs. Let me just say in closing this line of thought
>> that you're not the first one who thought about that, but it generally
>> seems to be a mess and people eventually turn to the Right Way.
>>
>> And that is to install programs with your package manager, which will
>> take care of installing dependencies system-wide. This raises the question
>> how you distribute your programs currently and what exactly
>>
>> > comes back with the message that v.10 runtime files are required
>>
>> means. If you target Ubuntu, we have a PPA with a current Gambas version,
>> as you know. You would have to tell your people once that they must enable
>> this PPA (and nothing more) and afterwards you can give them installation
>> packages made by the IDE and all components will be installed as they are
>> needed, automatically on double click -- and it /should/ actually work in
>> practice, too!
>>
>> Did you find the "Make installation package" functionality already and
>> does it fail you?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tobi
>>
>> [1] https://www.docker.com/
>> [2] https://docs.docker.com/engine/faq/
>>
>> --
>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk
>>
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From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 17:14:54 2017
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 11:14:54 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] [Gambas Bug Tracker] Bug #1216: umask ignored by
 gambas while Mkdir command used
In-Reply-To: <5a3312a1.c8cd500a.1e139.e882SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
References: <BUG1216@gambaswiki.org>
 <5a3312a1.c8cd500a.1e139.e882SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <63fad87a-4c85-f37f-d46b-f8ee442a1bf4@gmail.com>

On 12/14/2017 07:01 PM, bugtracker at gambaswiki.org wrote:
> http://gambaswiki.org/bugtracker/edit?object=BUG.1216&from=L21haW4-
> 
> Comment #6 by Damien COTTIER:
> 
> Hi i did'nt get answer to my last comment
> 
> The /sbin/mkdir command seem to use 0775 by default and not 0755.
> 
> Regards,
> Damien.
> 
> Damien COTTIER changed the state of the bug to: Opened.
> 

The UMASK should be set in /etc/login.defs or /etc/default/login.

And I don't know about /sbin/mkdir. My mkdir is in /usr/bin and is "mkdir (GNU coreutils) 8.25". This version of mkdir allows
the use of a mode option, ie. "mkdir --mode=755".

-- 
Lee

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 23:03:12 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 18:03:12 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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yeah gianluigi, that's the most closes, but will be a sacrilegie! in linux
admin its not same as user, so as i post, if user dont know nothing, must
learn of ask/paid to the administer.. thanks god and aliens that's the facts

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2017-12-15 11:53 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:

> After reading carefully everything written here and of course without
> offense to any of you, that you know of Gambas and Linux much more than me,
> I think the system that best of all "simulates" the installation of a
> program in Windows is a script which, if an old Gambas installation is
> present, removes it, installs the one that is consistent with the Gambas
> executable and copies the executable by asking the user where.
> Then a double click is enough and everything works properly.
> What would be the contraindication, the installation of the IDE?
> We talk about open source with the IDE the customer can download the code
> and read it, change it etc. but it can not alter the executable.
> A fantastic thing we give everything and can not mess up anything.
>
> Regards
> Gianluigi
>
> 2017-12-15 16:03 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
>
>> hi mikeB
>>
>> i understand your quiestion.. some disck setupd have in their root
>> filesystems the dll for VB runtime (take in consideration this only works
>> for older VB until version 6, for .NET this not works so easyle)
>>
>> same can work for gambas, but as tobias said docker its the only way due
>> unless VB its not enought include only a share lib.. also need at least two
>> or fourt files more for a preliminar gambas windows popup (apart of
>> detection of the toolkit)
>>
>> in adition, in nomadays, those VB runtime (the famous DLL file) was only
>> need and the exec to lauch due the rest of need files was installed by the
>> OS, due VB was highly integrated in the sub-graphics system
>>
>> that case its not same in gambas, due gambas firts must detect the
>> toolkit (windows redenring engine) and then select the proper module to
>> render the window.
>>
>> obviously the diocker solution it's too complicated for only detect and
>> point to users where to do..
>>
>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>
>> 2017-12-14 15:37 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> On Thu, 14 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
>>> > mikeB here again (i'm sure that most folks think i should just go away
>>> &
>>> > figure it out myself- but just maybe others have these same questions?
>>> > amd i'm having a heck of a time 'figuring it out myself' ;-(
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > *******************************************************
>>> > In comparing a setup file (VB6 to Gambas):
>>> >
>>> > VB6 INSTALL = the script of almost all M$ Windows install files
>>> includes at
>>> > the very beginning the current VB runtime files (at least in any setup
>>> I
>>> > ever created) to make sure the end users' system is up to date with the
>>> > software being installed.
>>> >
>>> > GAMBAS INSTALL = if an app is developed using Gambas version 3.10 and
>>> the
>>> > end users system has v3.8 runtime files installed (or none) the
>>> program (end
>>> > user app) will not install - comes back with the message
>>> > that v.10 runtime files are required. Not a peep on how to get them or
>>> > offer to do it automatically.
>>> > ********************************************************
>>> >
>>> > So - my question is = would there be a way to include the v.10 runtime
>>> files
>>> > in the install script - to upgrade if needed - just like a VB6
>>> install? And
>>> > if so,  would that cause any unforeseen problems?
>>> >
>>> > For the somewhat advanced Linux user - none of this matters much
>>> > cuz they are use to handling these issues - but my concern is the
>>> > person that just switched from Wins 10 to Linux 3 days ago - as I have
>>> > a large following that I'm trying to help make the switch not only to
>>> Linux
>>> > but to Gambas programming;-)  I want the end user to have NO problems
>>> > installing a Gambas programmed app - just double click the file (to
>>> install)
>>> > like they are use to. Not having to check v or anything else - just
>>> double
>>> > click the file.
>>> >
>>> > Sorry for the long post as some of it was prob unnecessary,
>>> > have a GREAT day,
>>> > mikeB
>>> >
>>>
>>> First of all, there seems to be Docker [1] if you want to distribute a
>>> program with all its dependencies. I have a hard time understanding their
>>> jargon, but the docs [2] contain these sentences:
>>>
>>>   Portable deployment across machines. Docker defines a format for
>>> bundling
>>>   an application and all its dependencies into a single object called a
>>>   container. This container can be transferred to any Docker-enabled
>>> machine.
>>>   The container can be executed there with the guarantee that the
>>> execution
>>>   environment exposed to the application will be the same in development,
>>>   testing, and production.
>>>
>>> I have no idea how they do that and what is costs. You would hope they
>>> don't
>>> throw all the libraries into an image, because that could turn out to be
>>> huge for Gambas, if you tie in the QT libraries, for instance. (Their
>>> logo
>>> kind of suggests that.) On the plus side, your customers won't need Linux
>>> anymore :-)
>>>
>>> I won't say any more about Docker, because I never used it and others
>>> here
>>> may have, and I don't have time to do more research about it now.
>>>
>>> > So - my question is = would there be a way to include the v.10 runtime
>>> files
>>> > in the install script - to upgrade if needed - just like a VB6
>>> install? And
>>> > if so,  would that cause any unforeseen problems?
>>>
>>> It's not clear how to do that. The merit of Docker is probably that
>>> they figured out a way to do this without messing up and it seems to
>>> be intricate. You can't simply ship a native library compiled for your
>>> home computer together with your Gambas program and expect it to work
>>> on someone else's raspberry pi because, for starters, that processor
>>> has a different instruction set.
>>>
>>> Besides the feasibility, who *wants* you to ship them their dependencies
>>> with every one of your programs? Assuming they trust you not to put in
>>> anything malicious, it's a waste of space as soon as one gets more than
>>> one of your programs. Let me just say in closing this line of thought
>>> that you're not the first one who thought about that, but it generally
>>> seems to be a mess and people eventually turn to the Right Way.
>>>
>>> And that is to install programs with your package manager, which will
>>> take care of installing dependencies system-wide. This raises the
>>> question
>>> how you distribute your programs currently and what exactly
>>>
>>> > comes back with the message that v.10 runtime files are required
>>>
>>> means. If you target Ubuntu, we have a PPA with a current Gambas version,
>>> as you know. You would have to tell your people once that they must
>>> enable
>>> this PPA (and nothing more) and afterwards you can give them installation
>>> packages made by the IDE and all components will be installed as they are
>>> needed, automatically on double click -- and it /should/ actually work in
>>> practice, too!
>>>
>>> Did you find the "Make installation package" functionality already and
>>> does it fail you?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Tobi
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.docker.com/
>>> [2] https://docs.docker.com/engine/faq/
>>>
>>> --
>>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk
>>>
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From bugtracker at gambaswiki.org  Sun Dec 17 03:11:22 2017
From: bugtracker at gambaswiki.org (bugtracker at gambaswiki.org)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 02:11:22 GMT
Subject: [Gambas-user] [Gambas Bug Tracker] Bug #1216: umask ignored by
 gambas while Mkdir command used
In-Reply-To: <BUG1216@gambaswiki.org>
References: <BUG1216@gambaswiki.org>
Message-ID: <BUG1216:20171217031121444@gambaswiki.org>

http://gambaswiki.org/bugtracker/edit?object=BUG.1216&from=L21haW4-

Comment #8 by Damien COTTIER:

Hi,

there is no technical issue except for directories created & use somewhere in a gambas component (the path might be not accessible directly through the user API
ex getting object through hash of a directory/filename path).
ex:
Client1 App => (Component do Mkdir) => Write Files into Dir
Client1 App <= (Component generate Hash and client1 push to DB) => DB
Client2 App => (get Hash from db and give to component) <= DB
Client2 App <= (Component cannot read file into dir) <= Read Files from Dir Fail

i'm just wondering why gambas use different default behavior than standard linux mkdir command.

in gambas i would expect that runing Shell "mkdir foo"
will be the same as Mkdir "foo"

Futhermore, major distribution like ubuntu currently set group autorisation by default on directory,
but create a group for each login allowing by default user isolation.
One can then easily share a directory by changing group owner (using chgrp) rather than playing with chmod after each directory creation. I think this is the reason of the "users" group existance. Indeed, The benefit of groups versus chmod is the use of "s" bit allowing you can progagate group ownership to child directories.

Some system still use umask to propagate more restrictive permissions to child process, but umask can only be more restrictive not less.



From allegfede at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 09:54:32 2017
From: allegfede at gmail.com (Federico Allegretti)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 09:54:32 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] User Digest, Vol 3, Issue 39
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1513422722.30435.user@lists.gambas-basic.org>
References: <mailman.1.1513422722.30435.user@lists.gambas-basic.org>
Message-ID: <CAGUPqz7W9B6YiAD+cSHA_+dLBviy-KB_hV7v21ddf2qV3JR9kg@mail.gmail.com>

Have dive in the thread randomly, but i suppose open source is open.
If you do not whant to release It open, but you are using open source tech,
check if you are making licence infringments.
If the idea is to make open software, but avoid simple user to make
damaged, pur only the executable in the user filesystem area.
Worst thing he Can make is deleting the app.

Il 16/dic/2017 12:15 PM, <user-request at lists.gambas-basic.org> ha scritto:

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> On 12/14/2017 07:01 PM, bugtracker at gambaswiki.org wrote:
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> >
> > Comment #6 by Damien COTTIER:
> >
> > Hi i did'nt get answer to my last comment
> >
> > The /sbin/mkdir command seem to use 0775 by default and not 0755.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Damien.
> >
> > Damien COTTIER changed the state of the bug to: Opened.
> >
>
> The UMASK should be set in /etc/login.defs or /etc/default/login.
>
> And I don't know about /sbin/mkdir. My mkdir is in /usr/bin and is "mkdir
> (GNU coreutils) 8.25". This version of mkdir allows
> the use of a mode option, ie. "mkdir --mode=755".
>
> --
> Lee
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 18:03:12 -0400
> From: PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>
> To: Gambas Mailing List <user at lists.gambas-basic.org>
> Subject: Re: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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> yeah gianluigi, that's the most closes, but will be a sacrilegie! in linux
> admin its not same as user, so as i post, if user dont know nothing, must
> learn of ask/paid to the administer.. thanks god and aliens that's the
> facts
>
> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>
> 2017-12-15 11:53 GMT-04:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
>
> > After reading carefully everything written here and of course without
> > offense to any of you, that you know of Gambas and Linux much more than
> me,
> > I think the system that best of all "simulates" the installation of a
> > program in Windows is a script which, if an old Gambas installation is
> > present, removes it, installs the one that is consistent with the Gambas
> > executable and copies the executable by asking the user where.
> > Then a double click is enough and everything works properly.
> > What would be the contraindication, the installation of the IDE?
> > We talk about open source with the IDE the customer can download the code
> > and read it, change it etc. but it can not alter the executable.
> > A fantastic thing we give everything and can not mess up anything.
> >
> > Regards
> > Gianluigi
> >
> > 2017-12-15 16:03 GMT+01:00 PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>:
> >
> >> hi mikeB
> >>
> >> i understand your quiestion.. some disck setupd have in their root
> >> filesystems the dll for VB runtime (take in consideration this only
> works
> >> for older VB until version 6, for .NET this not works so easyle)
> >>
> >> same can work for gambas, but as tobias said docker its the only way due
> >> unless VB its not enought include only a share lib.. also need at least
> two
> >> or fourt files more for a preliminar gambas windows popup (apart of
> >> detection of the toolkit)
> >>
> >> in adition, in nomadays, those VB runtime (the famous DLL file) was only
> >> need and the exec to lauch due the rest of need files was installed by
> the
> >> OS, due VB was highly integrated in the sub-graphics system
> >>
> >> that case its not same in gambas, due gambas firts must detect the
> >> toolkit (windows redenring engine) and then select the proper module to
> >> render the window.
> >>
> >> obviously the diocker solution it's too complicated for only detect and
> >> point to users where to do..
> >>
> >> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> >> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
> >>
> >> 2017-12-14 15:37 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at gmail.com>:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, 14 Dec 2017, mikeB wrote:
> >>> > mikeB here again (i'm sure that most folks think i should just go
> away
> >>> &
> >>> > figure it out myself- but just maybe others have these same
> questions?
> >>> > amd i'm having a heck of a time 'figuring it out myself' ;-(
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > *******************************************************
> >>> > In comparing a setup file (VB6 to Gambas):
> >>> >
> >>> > VB6 INSTALL = the script of almost all M$ Windows install files
> >>> includes at
> >>> > the very beginning the current VB runtime files (at least in any
> setup
> >>> I
> >>> > ever created) to make sure the end users' system is up to date with
> the
> >>> > software being installed.
> >>> >
> >>> > GAMBAS INSTALL = if an app is developed using Gambas version 3.10 and
> >>> the
> >>> > end users system has v3.8 runtime files installed (or none) the
> >>> program (end
> >>> > user app) will not install - comes back with the message
> >>> > that v.10 runtime files are required. Not a peep on how to get them
> or
> >>> > offer to do it automatically.
> >>> > ********************************************************
> >>> >
> >>> > So - my question is = would there be a way to include the v.10
> runtime
> >>> files
> >>> > in the install script - to upgrade if needed - just like a VB6
> >>> install? And
> >>> > if so,  would that cause any unforeseen problems?
> >>> >
> >>> > For the somewhat advanced Linux user - none of this matters much
> >>> > cuz they are use to handling these issues - but my concern is the
> >>> > person that just switched from Wins 10 to Linux 3 days ago - as I
> have
> >>> > a large following that I'm trying to help make the switch not only to
> >>> Linux
> >>> > but to Gambas programming;-)  I want the end user to have NO problems
> >>> > installing a Gambas programmed app - just double click the file (to
> >>> install)
> >>> > like they are use to. Not having to check v or anything else - just
> >>> double
> >>> > click the file.
> >>> >
> >>> > Sorry for the long post as some of it was prob unnecessary,
> >>> > have a GREAT day,
> >>> > mikeB
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> First of all, there seems to be Docker [1] if you want to distribute a
> >>> program with all its dependencies. I have a hard time understanding
> their
> >>> jargon, but the docs [2] contain these sentences:
> >>>
> >>>   Portable deployment across machines. Docker defines a format for
> >>> bundling
> >>>   an application and all its dependencies into a single object called a
> >>>   container. This container can be transferred to any Docker-enabled
> >>> machine.
> >>>   The container can be executed there with the guarantee that the
> >>> execution
> >>>   environment exposed to the application will be the same in
> development,
> >>>   testing, and production.
> >>>
> >>> I have no idea how they do that and what is costs. You would hope they
> >>> don't
> >>> throw all the libraries into an image, because that could turn out to
> be
> >>> huge for Gambas, if you tie in the QT libraries, for instance. (Their
> >>> logo
> >>> kind of suggests that.) On the plus side, your customers won't need
> Linux
> >>> anymore :-)
> >>>
> >>> I won't say any more about Docker, because I never used it and others
> >>> here
> >>> may have, and I don't have time to do more research about it now.
> >>>
> >>> > So - my question is = would there be a way to include the v.10
> runtime
> >>> files
> >>> > in the install script - to upgrade if needed - just like a VB6
> >>> install? And
> >>> > if so,  would that cause any unforeseen problems?
> >>>
> >>> It's not clear how to do that. The merit of Docker is probably that
> >>> they figured out a way to do this without messing up and it seems to
> >>> be intricate. You can't simply ship a native library compiled for your
> >>> home computer together with your Gambas program and expect it to work
> >>> on someone else's raspberry pi because, for starters, that processor
> >>> has a different instruction set.
> >>>
> >>> Besides the feasibility, who *wants* you to ship them their
> dependencies
> >>> with every one of your programs? Assuming they trust you not to put in
> >>> anything malicious, it's a waste of space as soon as one gets more than
> >>> one of your programs. Let me just say in closing this line of thought
> >>> that you're not the first one who thought about that, but it generally
> >>> seems to be a mess and people eventually turn to the Right Way.
> >>>
> >>> And that is to install programs with your package manager, which will
> >>> take care of installing dependencies system-wide. This raises the
> >>> question
> >>> how you distribute your programs currently and what exactly
> >>>
> >>> > comes back with the message that v.10 runtime files are required
> >>>
> >>> means. If you target Ubuntu, we have a PPA with a current Gambas
> version,
> >>> as you know. You would have to tell your people once that they must
> >>> enable
> >>> this PPA (and nothing more) and afterwards you can give them
> installation
> >>> packages made by the IDE and all components will be installed as they
> are
> >>> needed, automatically on double click -- and it /should/ actually work
> in
> >>> practice, too!
> >>>
> >>> Did you find the "Make installation package" functionality already and
> >>> does it fail you?
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Tobi
> >>>
> >>> [1] https://www.docker.com/
> >>> [2] https://docs.docker.com/engine/faq/
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk
> >>>
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> >>>
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From criguada at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 00:23:44 2017
From: criguada at gmail.com (Cristiano Guadagnino)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 00:23:44 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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Hi Rolf!

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Rolf-Werner Eilert <rwe-sse at osnanet.de>
wrote:

> (...)
>>
>>
>> But this is what we do, no? There's a package gambas3-runtime and a
>> separate
>> package gambas3-ide. If your distribution doesn't have these two, it is
>> packaging Gambas incorrectly [1]. They might provide a package group
>> called
>> "gambas3" on top, which contains everything, for convenience.
>>
>
> No idea. I know how to install everything from Yast (I am on Suse), and
> maybe I don't care for package names. So I wasn't aware it is already done
> like this.


Actually Suse has Gambas3 split up in 95 packges!! (and yes, it has a
Gambas3 meta-package grouping all of them)
Obviously one of them is gambas3-runtime.

Cris
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From mb at code-it.com  Mon Dec 18 01:46:36 2017
From: mb at code-it.com (mikeB)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:46:36 -0700
Subject: [Gambas-user] Runtime 10 files
Message-ID: <a98befd1-f401-933f-269d-d06f305778dc@code-it.com>

mikeB here again - since there has been so many folks responding to my
first questions about v10 runtime files - I thought it might help(or 
not) some others on what I decided to do with my customers.

First off - I'll say that I tested/ tried several apps that are offered
by AppImage (that wraps everything so that all it takes is a click to
run on most any Linux system - no install process). This is VERY slick
and worked perfectly BUT after thinking about it a LOT - decided it was
too much like M$ Windows stuff (even though I asked if that was possible;)

The notice I HAD on my web site (for Gambas developed software) was:
*********************************************************************
This software was programmed using "Gambas3  v3.10.0"
VERY IMPORTANT: before installing this app you will need to install
Gambas Runtime  v10 files - most systems will not have these very new
files installed yet. You'll only need to do this once!

Do so via the terminal commands:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
sudo apt-get update
**********************************************************************

After all the conversion from you all (and testing on virgin systems)
I find that this is not true = those commands do NOT install v10 runtime
files. MY BAD = did not do enough testing before "speaking" ;-(

I am now it the progress of revising with the following notice (unless
this turns out not to be right - but I tested on 3 different Mint 
systems and worked like a charm) - going to do yet some more testing 
before publishing:

*********************************************************************
This software was programmed using "Gambas3  v3.10.0"
VERY IMPORTANT: before installing this app you will need to have/ 
install Gambas Runtime v10 files - most systems will not have these very 
new files installed yet. You'll only need to do this once!

Do so via the terminal commands:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
sudo apt-get update
gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0'

note: if return value of this last command is "TRUE" then that means
you're ready to go (have the v10 Runtime files installed).

OTHERWISE IT WILL RETURN

"The program 'gbx3' is currently not installed. You can install it by
typing:
sudo apt install gambas3-runtime

Doing so installs the Gambas v10 Runtime files then you're all set.
**********************************************************************

I think this is what was meant by some of you advising to do it
"the Linux Way' - if not please advise - as I'm still adjusting from
over 25 years of doing things the Windows way (and so glad done with that).

Thank all of you so much for the conversion and advise - it is GREATLY
APPRECIATED - it was a good learning experience.
mikeB




From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 06:41:52 2017
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 00:41:52 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] Runtime 10 files
In-Reply-To: <a98befd1-f401-933f-269d-d06f305778dc@code-it.com>
References: <a98befd1-f401-933f-269d-d06f305778dc@code-it.com>
Message-ID: <fb01258b-4dc1-822d-577e-0fa8234206b8@gmail.com>

On 12/17/2017 07:46 PM, mikeB wrote:
> *********************************************************************
> This?software?was?programmed?using?"Gambas3??v3.10.0"
> VERY IMPORTANT: before installing this app you will need to have/ install Gambas Runtime v10 files - most systems will not have
> these very new?files?installed?yet.?You'll?only?need?to?do?this?once!
> 
> Do?so?via?the?terminal?commands:
> 
> sudo?add-apt-repository?ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
> sudo?apt-get?update
> gbx3?-e?'Comp(System.FullVersion,?"3.10",?gb.Natural)?>=?0'
> 
> note:?if?return?value?of?this?last?command?is?"TRUE"?then?that?means
> you're?ready?to?go?(have?the?v10?Runtime?files?installed).
> 
> OTHERWISE?IT?WILL?RETURN
> 
> "The?program?'gbx3'?is?currently?not?installed.?You?can?install?it?by
> typing:
> sudo?apt?install?gambas3-runtime
> 
> Doing?so?installs?the?Gambas?v10?Runtime?files?then?you're?all?set.
> **********************************************************************


You might be able to simplify your instructions if Aptitude (apt-get) works similar to YaST. There is an 'aptitude' executable
installed on my openSUSE system which seems to redirect to YaST.

`sudo apt-get install gambas3-runtime` produces:
**********
Loading repository data...
Reading installed packages...
'gambas3-runtime' is already installed.
No update candidate for 'gambas3-runtime-3.10.0-20.1.x86_64'. The highest available version is already installed.
Resolving package dependencies...

Nothing to do.
**********

If the package is already installed, it looks for an available update. So, you may be able to replace:
gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0'
with:
sudo apt-get install gambas3-runtime

let it automatically search for any available upgrade package, and eliminate about 8 lines from your instructions.

That is, if Aptitude works like YaST.


-- 
Lee

From bkv at mailbox.org  Mon Dec 18 08:33:55 2017
From: bkv at mailbox.org (bkv at mailbox.org)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 08:33:55 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Problem with DataControl
Message-ID: <160427076.6142.1513582435431@office.mailbox.org>

Hi

I have a form with a DataControl. I want to write text (comments) into the control. Unfortunately the Enter key has no effect in this control. I cannot break the line. I can onlyt get one line of text, and if long enough, it will extend out of the visible part. Also, when I type, the text does not come on the upper part of the control, but on the middle.

Strangely, I have an other form where the DataControl works OK.

Help is appreciated

Greetings,

Bj?rn
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From rwe-sse at osnanet.de  Mon Dec 18 08:38:19 2017
From: rwe-sse at osnanet.de (Rolf-Werner Eilert)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 08:38:19 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] check 4 Gambas Runtime files?
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Am 18.12.2017 00:23, schrieb Cristiano Guadagnino:
> Hi Rolf!
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Rolf-Werner Eilert <rwe-sse at osnanet.de
> <mailto:rwe-sse at osnanet.de>> wrote:
>
>             (...)
>
>
>         But this is what we do, no? There's a package gambas3-runtime
>         and a separate
>         package gambas3-ide. If your distribution doesn't have these
>         two, it is
>         packaging Gambas incorrectly [1]. They might provide a package
>         group called
>         "gambas3" on top, which contains everything, for convenience.
>
>
>     No idea. I know how to install everything from Yast (I am on Suse),
>     and maybe I don't care for package names. So I wasn't aware it is
>     already done like this.
>
>
> Actually Suse has Gambas3 split up in 95 packges!! (and yes, it has a
> Gambas3 meta-package grouping all of them)
> Obviously one of them is gambas3-runtime.
>
> Cris
>

Yes :) I know. And I know what to do: You have to scroll down the list 
and check the lowermost two packages. That will activate all the rest.

But Yast has this other filter list where only meta packages appear, 
maybe one should take a look here. But when you type Gambas to be 
searched, it will point you to the looooong list of little packages...

At least somewhat confusing for beginners, isn't it?

Regards
Rolf


From bugtracker at gambaswiki.org  Mon Dec 18 12:50:04 2017
From: bugtracker at gambaswiki.org (bugtracker at gambaswiki.org)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 11:50:04 GMT
Subject: [Gambas-user] [Gambas Bug Tracker] Bug #1218: I can not open any
 project
Message-ID: <BUG1218@gambaswiki.org>

http://gambaswiki.org/bugtracker/edit?object=BUG.1218&from=L21haW4-

Carlo PANARA reported a new bug.

Summary
-------

I can not open any project

Type             : Bug
Priority         : High
Gambas version   : 3.10
Product          : Development Environment


Description
-----------

With commit 2bb285 I cannot open any project.
IDE Msg: Project already open.


System information
------------------

[System]
Gambas=3.10.90
OperatingSystem=Linux
Kernel=4.10.0-42-generic
Architecture=x86_64
Distribution=Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
Desktop=UNITY
Theme=Gtk
Language=it_IT.UTF-8
Memory=3553M

[Libraries]
Cairo=libcairo.so.2.11400.6
Curl=libcurl.so.4.4.0
DBus=libdbus-1.so.3.14.6
GStreamer=libgstreamer-1.0.so.0.803.0
GTK+2=libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.30
GTK+3=libgtk-3.so.0.1800.9
OpenGL=libGL.so.1.2.0
Poppler=libpoppler.so.58.0.0
QT4=libQtCore.so.4.8.7
QT5=libQt5Core.so.5.5.1
SDL=libSDL-1.2.so.0.11.4
SQLite=libsqlite3.so.0.8.6

[Environment]
CLUTTER_IM_MODULE=xim
COMPIZ_BIN_PATH=/usr/bin/
COMPIZ_CONFIG_PROFILE=ubuntu
DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-vCAX6WVLrI
DEFAULTS_PATH=/usr/share/gconf/ubuntu.default.path
DESKTOP_SESSION=ubuntu
DISPLAY=:0
GB_GUI=gb.qt4
GDMSESSION=ubuntu
GDM_LANG=it
GIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE=/usr/share/applications/gambas3.desktop
GIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE_PID=9102
GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID=this-is-deprecated
GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=
GNOME_KEYRING_PID=
GPG_AGENT_INFO=<home>/.gnupg/S.gpg-agent:0:1
GTK2_MODULES=overlay-scrollbar
GTK_IM_MODULE=ibus
GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge:unity-gtk-module
HOME=<home>
IM_CONFIG_PHASE=1
INSTANCE=
JOB=unity-settings-daemon
LANG=it_IT.UTF-8
LANGUAGE=it
LOGNAME=<user>
MANDATORY_PATH=/usr/share/gconf/ubuntu.mandatory.path
PATH=<home>/bin:<home>/.local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin
PWD=<home>
QT4_IM_MODULE=xim
QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1
QT_IM_MODULE=ibus
QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1
QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=appmenu-qt5
SESSION=ubuntu
SESSIONTYPE=gnome-session
SESSION_MANAGER=local/<hostname>:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/1598,unix/<hostname>:/tmp/.ICE-unix/1598
SHELL=/bin/bash
SHLVL=0
SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/run/user/1000/keyring/ssh
TZ=:/etc/localtime
UPSTART_EVENTS=xsession started
UPSTART_INSTANCE=
UPSTART_JOB=unity7
UPSTART_SESSION=unix:abstract=/com/ubuntu/upstart-session/1000/1376
USER=<user>
XAUTHORITY=<home>/.Xauthority
XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntu:/usr/share/upstart/xdg:/etc/xdg
XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=Unity
XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/ubuntu:/usr/share/gnome:/usr/local/share:/usr/share:/var/lib/snapd/desktop:/var/lib/snapd/desktop
XDG_GREETER_DATA_DIR=/var/lib/lightdm-data/<user>
XDG_MENU_PREFIX=gnome-
XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000
XDG_SEAT=seat0
XDG_SEAT_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Seat0
XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=ubuntu
XDG_SESSION_ID=c2
XDG_SESSION_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Session0
XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11
XDG_VTNR=7
XMODIFIERS=@im=ibus



From bugtracker at gambaswiki.org  Mon Dec 18 13:06:18 2017
From: bugtracker at gambaswiki.org (bugtracker at gambaswiki.org)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 12:06:18 GMT
Subject: [Gambas-user] [Gambas Bug Tracker] Bug #1218: I can not open any
 project
In-Reply-To: <BUG1218@gambaswiki.org>
References: <BUG1218@gambaswiki.org>
Message-ID: <BUG1218:20171218130617442@gambaswiki.org>

http://gambaswiki.org/bugtracker/edit?object=BUG.1218&from=L21haW4-

Comment #1 by Beno?t MINISINI:

It should be fixed with commit https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/commit/e3f941c7e2df3796eecee73921679924363609c1

Beno?t MINISINI changed the state of the bug to: Fixed.



From bugtracker at gambaswiki.org  Tue Dec 19 02:56:28 2017
From: bugtracker at gambaswiki.org (bugtracker at gambaswiki.org)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 01:56:28 GMT
Subject: [Gambas-user] [Gambas Bug Tracker] Bug #1219: Gambas IDE - Error
 message during 'Update all Forms' menu
Message-ID: <BUG1219@gambaswiki.org>

http://gambaswiki.org/bugtracker/edit?object=BUG.1219&from=L21haW4-

Olivier CRUILLES reported a new bug.

Summary
-------

Gambas IDE - Error message during 'Update all Forms' menu

Type             : Bug
Priority         : Medium
Gambas version   : Master
Product          : Development Environment


Description
-----------

Hello,
For some own projects, when I want to 'Update all forms' from then Menu 'Tools' I have this error message:
See picture.

Olivier


System information
------------------

[System]
Gambas=3.10.90 0badb09 (master)
OperatingSystem=Linux
Kernel=4.14.5-200.fc26.x86_64
Architecture=x86_64
Distribution=redhat Fedora release 26 (Twenty Six)
Desktop=MATE
Theme=Breeze
Language=fr_FR.utf8
Memory=3948M

[Libraries]
Cairo=libcairo.so.2.11400.10
DBus=libdbus-1.so.3.19.0
GStreamer=libgstreamer-1.0.so.0.1203.0
GTK+2=libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.31
OpenGL=libGL.so.1.0.0
SQLite=libsqlite3.so.0.8.6

[Environment]
CAPP_BUILD=<home>/Packages/Starter/Build
DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:path=/run/user/1000/bus
DESKTOP_SESSION=mate
DISPLAY=:0
GB_GUI=gb.qt4
GDMSESSION=mate
GDM_LANG=fr_FR.utf8
GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=<home>/.cache/keyring-JLO6AZ
GTK_OVERLAY_SCROLLING=0
HISTCONTROL=ignoredups
HISTSIZE=1000
HISTTIMEFORMAT=%F %T 
HOME=<home>
HOSTNAME=<hostname>
IMSETTINGS_INTEGRATE_DESKTOP=yes
IMSETTINGS_MODULE=none
KDEDIRS=/usr
LANG=fr_FR.utf8
LESSOPEN=||/usr/bin/lesspipe.sh %s
LOGNAME=<user>
MAIL=/var/spool/mail/<user>
MATE_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID=this-is-deprecated
PAGER=most
PATH=<home>/narwhal/bin:/usr/lib64/ccache:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:<home>/bin:/usr/local/xaralx/bin
PWD=<home>
QT_IM_MODULE=xim
SESSION_MANAGER=local/unix:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/1171,unix/unix:/tmp/.ICE-unix/1171
SHELL=/bin/bash
SHLVL=1
SSH_AGENT_PID=1286
SSH_AUTH_SOCK=<home>/.cache/keyring-JLO6AZ/ssh
TERM=dumb
TZ=:/etc/localtime
USER=<user>
XAUTHORITY=/var/run/lightdm/<user>/xauthority
XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=MATE
XDG_GREETER_DATA_DIR=/var/lib/lightdm-data/<user>
XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000
XDG_SEAT=seat0
XDG_SEAT_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Seat0
XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=mate
XDG_SESSION_ID=2
XDG_SESSION_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Session0
XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11
XDG_VTNR=1
XMODIFIERS=@im=none
_=/usr/bin/mate-session



From bugtracker at gambaswiki.org  Tue Dec 19 02:56:47 2017
From: bugtracker at gambaswiki.org (bugtracker at gambaswiki.org)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 01:56:47 GMT
Subject: [Gambas-user] [Gambas Bug Tracker] Bug #1219: Gambas IDE - Error
 message during 'Update all Forms' menu
In-Reply-To: <BUG1219@gambaswiki.org>
References: <BUG1219@gambaswiki.org>
Message-ID: <BUG1219:20171219025647040@gambaswiki.org>

http://gambaswiki.org/bugtracker/edit?object=BUG.1219&from=L21haW4-

Olivier CRUILLES added an attachment:

S?lection_183.png



From rwe-sse at osnanet.de  Tue Dec 19 08:45:15 2017
From: rwe-sse at osnanet.de (Rolf-Werner Eilert)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 08:45:15 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Runtime 10 files
In-Reply-To: <fb01258b-4dc1-822d-577e-0fa8234206b8@gmail.com>
References: <a98befd1-f401-933f-269d-d06f305778dc@code-it.com>
 <fb01258b-4dc1-822d-577e-0fa8234206b8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5A38C38B.40105@osnanet.de>

Am 18.12.2017 06:41, schrieb T Lee Davidson:
> On 12/17/2017 07:46 PM, mikeB wrote:
>> *********************************************************************
>> This software was programmed using "Gambas3  v3.10.0"
>> VERY IMPORTANT: before installing this app you will need to have/ install Gambas Runtime v10 files - most systems will not have
>> these very new files installed yet. You'll only need to do this once!
>>
>> Do so via the terminal commands:
>>
>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
>> sudo apt-get update
>> gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0'
>>
>> note: if return value of this last command is "TRUE" then that means
>> you're ready to go (have the v10 Runtime files installed).
>>
>> OTHERWISE IT WILL RETURN
>>
>> "The program 'gbx3' is currently not installed. You can install it by
>> typing:
>> sudo apt install gambas3-runtime
>>
>> Doing so installs the Gambas v10 Runtime files then you're all set.
>> **********************************************************************
>
>
> You might be able to simplify your instructions if Aptitude (apt-get) works similar to YaST. There is an 'aptitude' executable
> installed on my openSUSE system which seems to redirect to YaST.
>
> `sudo apt-get install gambas3-runtime` produces:
> **********
> Loading repository data...
> Reading installed packages...
> 'gambas3-runtime' is already installed.
> No update candidate for 'gambas3-runtime-3.10.0-20.1.x86_64'. The highest available version is already installed.
> Resolving package dependencies...
>
> Nothing to do.
> **********
>
> If the package is already installed, it looks for an available update. So, you may be able to replace:
> gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0'
> with:
> sudo apt-get install gambas3-runtime
>
> let it automatically search for any available upgrade package, and eliminate about 8 lines from your instructions.
>
> That is, if Aptitude works like YaST.
>
>

I have been thinking about this yesterday, and came to the conclusion 
that I would program a script or something around a script which does 
the job just like you proposed.

The script would

1) Find out which Gambas version is on the machine
1a) Find out if Gambas-runtime-only or complete on the machine
2) Find out which install system (deb or rpm / apt or zypper)
3) Install latest Gambas runtime or complete from the repos, if necessary
4) Install included version of your program

There are a lot of clever scripts which do one or more of these jobs for 
other programs, so it should be easy to study and rewrite those to 
create a special Gambas+YourProgram script. One might use a common 
graphical tool to wrap the script and handle root password etc.

But the best of it would be, we might be able to include it as a 
template into Gambas, offering the programmer to distribute the 
application via such a thing. I am sure, many of the folks here would 
help to make it run on every major distro.

What do you think?

Regards
Rolf


From mb at code-it.com  Tue Dec 19 09:40:43 2017
From: mb at code-it.com (mikeB)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 01:40:43 -0700
Subject: [Gambas-user] Runtime 10 files
In-Reply-To: <5A38C38B.40105@osnanet.de>
References: <a98befd1-f401-933f-269d-d06f305778dc@code-it.com>
 <fb01258b-4dc1-822d-577e-0fa8234206b8@gmail.com> <5A38C38B.40105@osnanet.de>
Message-ID: <8febf71d-35a2-245d-45a3-142d5b8a2d7d@code-it.com>

I think thats a GREAT idea and concept! I would look forward to 
learning,and using this type script!
mikeB



On 12/19/2017 12:45 AM, Rolf-Werner Eilert wrote:
> Am 18.12.2017 06:41, schrieb T Lee Davidson:
>> On 12/17/2017 07:46 PM, mikeB wrote:
>>> *********************************************************************
>>> This software was programmed using "Gambas3? v3.10.0"
>>> VERY IMPORTANT: before installing this app you will need to have/ 
>>> install Gambas Runtime v10 files - most systems will not have
>>> these very new files installed yet. You'll only need to do this once!
>>>
>>> Do so via the terminal commands:
>>>
>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
>>> sudo apt-get update
>>> gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0'
>>>
>>> note: if return value of this last command is "TRUE" then that means
>>> you're ready to go (have the v10 Runtime files installed).
>>>
>>> OTHERWISE IT WILL RETURN
>>>
>>> "The program 'gbx3' is currently not installed. You can install it by
>>> typing:
>>> sudo apt install gambas3-runtime
>>>
>>> Doing so installs the Gambas v10 Runtime files then you're all set.
>>> **********************************************************************
>>
>>
>> You might be able to simplify your instructions if Aptitude (apt-get) 
>> works similar to YaST. There is an 'aptitude' executable
>> installed on my openSUSE system which seems to redirect to YaST.
>>
>> `sudo apt-get install gambas3-runtime` produces:
>> **********
>> Loading repository data...
>> Reading installed packages...
>> 'gambas3-runtime' is already installed.
>> No update candidate for 'gambas3-runtime-3.10.0-20.1.x86_64'. The 
>> highest available version is already installed.
>> Resolving package dependencies...
>>
>> Nothing to do.
>> **********
>>
>> If the package is already installed, it looks for an available update. 
>> So, you may be able to replace:
>> gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0'
>> with:
>> sudo apt-get install gambas3-runtime
>>
>> let it automatically search for any available upgrade package, and 
>> eliminate about 8 lines from your instructions.
>>
>> That is, if Aptitude works like YaST.
>>
>>
> 
> I have been thinking about this yesterday, and came to the conclusion 
> that I would program a script or something around a script which does 
> the job just like you proposed.
> 
> The script would
> 
> 1) Find out which Gambas version is on the machine
> 1a) Find out if Gambas-runtime-only or complete on the machine
> 2) Find out which install system (deb or rpm / apt or zypper)
> 3) Install latest Gambas runtime or complete from the repos, if necessary
> 4) Install included version of your program
> 
> There are a lot of clever scripts which do one or more of these jobs for 
> other programs, so it should be easy to study and rewrite those to 
> create a special Gambas+YourProgram script. One might use a common 
> graphical tool to wrap the script and handle root password etc.
> 
> But the best of it would be, we might be able to include it as a 
> template into Gambas, offering the programmer to distribute the 
> application via such a thing. I am sure, many of the folks here would 
> help to make it run on every major distro.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Regards
> Rolf
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> 
> This is the Gambas Mailing List
> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
> 
> Hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
> 

From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Tue Dec 19 18:35:04 2017
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 12:35:04 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] Runtime 10 files
In-Reply-To: <5A38C38B.40105@osnanet.de>
References: <a98befd1-f401-933f-269d-d06f305778dc@code-it.com>
 <fb01258b-4dc1-822d-577e-0fa8234206b8@gmail.com> <5A38C38B.40105@osnanet.de>
Message-ID: <361dd66b-5bb4-bca9-cfa0-d5a3e3919a83@gmail.com>

On 12/19/2017 02:45 AM, Rolf-Werner Eilert wrote:
> The?script?would
> 
> 1)?Find?out?which?Gambas?version?is?on?the?machine
> 1a)?Find?out?if?Gambas-runtime-only?or?complete?on?the?machine
> 2)?Find?out?which?install?system?(deb?or?rpm?/?apt?or?zypper)
> 3)?Install?latest?Gambas?runtime?or?complete?from?the?repos,?if?necessary
> 4)?Install?included?version?of?your?program

Great idea, Rolf.

However, I think you'd be making it a bit more complicated than it needs to be as I have a tendency to do sometimes.

A complete Gambas installation (ie. with IDE and all its dependencies) is not required for a mere application install. A
developer should be savvy enough to figure out how to do that if desired.

But, a regular user might indeed appreciate some simple installation streamlining as Mike is attempting.

Oh, and don't forget yum. You might also want to be careful of (mis?)representation, eg.:

~> which apt-get
/usr/bin/apt-get

~> which zypper
/usr/bin/zypper

~> apt-get --version
zypper 1.13.38

~> zypper --version
zypper 1.13.38


-- 
Lee

From mb at code-it.com  Tue Dec 19 19:35:25 2017
From: mb at code-it.com (mikeB)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 11:35:25 -0700
Subject: [Gambas-user] Runtime 10 files
In-Reply-To: <361dd66b-5bb4-bca9-cfa0-d5a3e3919a83@gmail.com>
References: <a98befd1-f401-933f-269d-d06f305778dc@code-it.com>
 <fb01258b-4dc1-822d-577e-0fa8234206b8@gmail.com> <5A38C38B.40105@osnanet.de>
 <361dd66b-5bb4-bca9-cfa0-d5a3e3919a83@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60eaafa4-7caa-ce40-b855-e0be59c85154@code-it.com>

mikeB 
here......................................................................................................
Here is what I'm doing at the present:
***************************off web site*********************************
All this software was programmed using "Gambas3  v3.10.0" .

VERY IMPORTANT: before installing any of this software you'll need to 
have or install the newest Gambas Library and  v10 Runtime files - most 
systems will not have these very new files installed yet. You'll only 
need to do this once!

Do so via the following 3 terminal commands:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3

sudo apt-get update

sudo apt install gambas3-runtime

If the above command returns "TRUE" the RUNTIME files are  installed - 
if not, will give you the option to install.
*************************************************************************
If anyone knows how to improve this = that would be great!
mikeB




On 12/19/2017 10:35 AM, T Lee Davidson wrote:
> On 12/19/2017 02:45 AM, Rolf-Werner Eilert wrote:
>> The?script?would
>>
>> 1)?Find?out?which?Gambas?version?is?on?the?machine
>> 1a)?Find?out?if?Gambas-runtime-only?or?complete?on?the?machine
>> 2)?Find?out?which?install?system?(deb?or?rpm?/?apt?or?zypper)
>> 3)?Install?latest?Gambas?runtime?or?complete?from?the?repos,?if?necessary
>> 4)?Install?included?version?of?your?program
> 
> Great idea, Rolf.
> 
> However, I think you'd be making it a bit more complicated than it needs to be as I have a tendency to do sometimes.
> 
> A complete Gambas installation (ie. with IDE and all its dependencies) is not required for a mere application install. A
> developer should be savvy enough to figure out how to do that if desired.
> 
> But, a regular user might indeed appreciate some simple installation streamlining as Mike is attempting.
> 
> Oh, and don't forget yum. You might also want to be careful of (mis?)representation, eg.:
> 
> ~> which apt-get
> /usr/bin/apt-get
> 
> ~> which zypper
> /usr/bin/zypper
> 
> ~> apt-get --version
> zypper 1.13.38
> 
> ~> zypper --version
> zypper 1.13.38
> 
> 

From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Tue Dec 19 19:50:33 2017
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 13:50:33 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] Runtime 10 files
In-Reply-To: <60eaafa4-7caa-ce40-b855-e0be59c85154@code-it.com>
References: <a98befd1-f401-933f-269d-d06f305778dc@code-it.com>
 <fb01258b-4dc1-822d-577e-0fa8234206b8@gmail.com> <5A38C38B.40105@osnanet.de>
 <361dd66b-5bb4-bca9-cfa0-d5a3e3919a83@gmail.com>
 <60eaafa4-7caa-ce40-b855-e0be59c85154@code-it.com>
Message-ID: <a8062155-37fa-9ae3-b1dc-9ef52c57c72c@gmail.com>

Mike,

Is 'If the above command returns "TRUE" the RUNTIME files are  installed' now obsolete?

And, I could very well be wrong, not being on a deb-based system, but shouldn't "apt install" actually be "apt-get install"?

Oh, and it may be a little nit-pick, but to avoid possible confusion on the part of your readers: it's not a "v10" runtime, it's
a v3.10.0 runtime. And, in "Gambas3  v3.10.0" the first '3' is redundant. ;-)


-- 
Lee


On 12/19/2017 01:35 PM, mikeB wrote:
> mikeB here......................................................................................................
> Here is what I'm doing at the present:
> ***************************off web site*********************************
> All this software was programmed using "Gambas3? v3.10.0" .
> 
> VERY IMPORTANT: before installing any of this software you'll need to have or install the newest Gambas Library and? v10 Runtime
> files - most systems will not have these very new files installed yet. You'll only need to do this once!
> 
> Do so via the following 3 terminal commands:
> 
> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
> 
> sudo apt-get update
> 
> sudo apt install gambas3-runtime
> 
> If the above command returns "TRUE" the RUNTIME files are? installed - if not, will give you the option to install.
> *************************************************************************
> If anyone knows how to improve this = that would be great!
> mikeB
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/19/2017 10:35 AM, T Lee Davidson wrote:
>> On 12/19/2017 02:45 AM, Rolf-Werner Eilert wrote:
>>> The?script?would
>>>
>>> 1)?Find?out?which?Gambas?version?is?on?the?machine
>>> 1a)?Find?out?if?Gambas-runtime-only?or?complete?on?the?machine
>>> 2)?Find?out?which?install?system?(deb?or?rpm?/?apt?or?zypper)
>>> 3)?Install?latest?Gambas?runtime?or?complete?from?the?repos,?if?necessary
>>> 4)?Install?included?version?of?your?program
>>
>> Great idea, Rolf.
>>
>> However, I think you'd be making it a bit more complicated than it needs to be as I have a tendency to do sometimes.
>>
>> A complete Gambas installation (ie. with IDE and all its dependencies) is not required for a mere application install. A
>> developer should be savvy enough to figure out how to do that if desired.
>>
>> But, a regular user might indeed appreciate some simple installation streamlining as Mike is attempting.
>>
>> Oh, and don't forget yum. You might also want to be careful of (mis?)representation, eg.:
>>
>> ~> which apt-get
>> /usr/bin/apt-get
>>
>> ~> which zypper
>> /usr/bin/zypper
>>
>> ~> apt-get --version
>> zypper 1.13.38
>>
>> ~> zypper --version
>> zypper 1.13.38
>>
>>
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> 
> This is the Gambas Mailing List
> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
> 
> Hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Tue Dec 19 20:48:43 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 15:48:43 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Runtime 10 files
In-Reply-To: <5A38C38B.40105@osnanet.de>
References: <a98befd1-f401-933f-269d-d06f305778dc@code-it.com>
 <fb01258b-4dc1-822d-577e-0fa8234206b8@gmail.com> <5A38C38B.40105@osnanet.de>
Message-ID: <CALci+FRvH-o=MBDa87TBukihR75NkXDczcBKFzFCObG7-StfAw@mail.gmail.com>

great! that script maybe must be also introduced into the packager wizard
in the gambas ide..  for checks on each instalation in the case ot tar.gz
packagin of the ide options when generate

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2017-12-19 3:45 GMT-04:00 Rolf-Werner Eilert <rwe-sse at osnanet.de>:

> Am 18.12.2017 06:41, schrieb T Lee Davidson:
>
>> On 12/17/2017 07:46 PM, mikeB wrote:
>>
>>> *********************************************************************
>>> This software was programmed using "Gambas3  v3.10.0"
>>> VERY IMPORTANT: before installing this app you will need to have/
>>> install Gambas Runtime v10 files - most systems will not have
>>> these very new files installed yet. You'll only need to do this once!
>>>
>>> Do so via the terminal commands:
>>>
>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gambas-team/gambas3
>>> sudo apt-get update
>>> gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0'
>>>
>>> note: if return value of this last command is "TRUE" then that means
>>> you're ready to go (have the v10 Runtime files installed).
>>>
>>> OTHERWISE IT WILL RETURN
>>>
>>> "The program 'gbx3' is currently not installed. You can install it by
>>> typing:
>>> sudo apt install gambas3-runtime
>>>
>>> Doing so installs the Gambas v10 Runtime files then you're all set.
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>
>>
>>
>> You might be able to simplify your instructions if Aptitude (apt-get)
>> works similar to YaST. There is an 'aptitude' executable
>> installed on my openSUSE system which seems to redirect to YaST.
>>
>> `sudo apt-get install gambas3-runtime` produces:
>> **********
>> Loading repository data...
>> Reading installed packages...
>> 'gambas3-runtime' is already installed.
>> No update candidate for 'gambas3-runtime-3.10.0-20.1.x86_64'. The
>> highest available version is already installed.
>> Resolving package dependencies...
>>
>> Nothing to do.
>> **********
>>
>> If the package is already installed, it looks for an available update.
>> So, you may be able to replace:
>> gbx3 -e 'Comp(System.FullVersion, "3.10", gb.Natural) >= 0'
>> with:
>> sudo apt-get install gambas3-runtime
>>
>> let it automatically search for any available upgrade package, and
>> eliminate about 8 lines from your instructions.
>>
>> That is, if Aptitude works like YaST.
>>
>>
>>
> I have been thinking about this yesterday, and came to the conclusion that
> I would program a script or something around a script which does the job
> just like you proposed.
>
> The script would
>
> 1) Find out which Gambas version is on the machine
> 1a) Find out if Gambas-runtime-only or complete on the machine
> 2) Find out which install system (deb or rpm / apt or zypper)
> 3) Install latest Gambas runtime or complete from the repos, if necessary
> 4) Install included version of your program
>
> There are a lot of clever scripts which do one or more of these jobs for
> other programs, so it should be easy to study and rewrite those to create a
> special Gambas+YourProgram script. One might use a common graphical tool to
> wrap the script and handle root password etc.
>
> But the best of it would be, we might be able to include it as a template
> into Gambas, offering the programmer to distribute the application via such
> a thing. I am sure, many of the folks here would help to make it run on
> every major distro.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Regards
> Rolf
>
>
>
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From bugtracker at gambaswiki.org  Tue Dec 19 21:54:55 2017
From: bugtracker at gambaswiki.org (bugtracker at gambaswiki.org)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 20:54:55 GMT
Subject: [Gambas-user] [Gambas Bug Tracker] Bug #1219: Gambas IDE - Error
 message during 'Update all Forms' menu
In-Reply-To: <BUG1219@gambaswiki.org>
References: <BUG1219@gambaswiki.org>
Message-ID: <BUG1219:20171219215454952@gambaswiki.org>

http://gambaswiki.org/bugtracker/edit?object=BUG.1219&from=L21haW4-

Comment #1 by Beno?t MINISINI:

It should be fixed in commit https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/commit/eff768b3c6348127fe4706a6af576173a4862e6f

Beno?t MINISINI changed the state of the bug to: Fixed.



From mb at code-it.com  Tue Dec 19 22:01:38 2017
From: mb at code-it.com (mikeB)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 14:01:38 -0700
Subject: [Gambas-user] Runtime 10 files
In-Reply-To: <a8062155-37fa-9ae3-b1dc-9ef52c57c72c@gmail.com>
References: <a98befd1-f401-933f-269d-d06f305778dc@code-it.com>
 <fb01258b-4dc1-822d-577e-0fa8234206b8@gmail.com> <5A38C38B.40105@osnanet.de>
 <361dd66b-5bb4-bca9-cfa0-d5a3e3919a83@gmail.com>
 <60eaafa4-7caa-ce40-b855-e0be59c85154@code-it.com>
 <a8062155-37fa-9ae3-b1dc-9ef52c57c72c@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1b23e66-251c-bdeb-e257-bb3283831098@code-it.com>

yep - you're right on all counts. A BIG THANKS.
mikeB


On 12/19/2017 11:50 AM, T Lee Davidson wrote:
> Mike,
> 
> Is 'If the above command returns "TRUE" the RUNTIME files are  installed' now obsolete?
> 
> And, I could very well be wrong, not being on a deb-based system, but shouldn't "apt install" actually be "apt-get install"?
> 
> Oh, and it may be a little nit-pick, but to avoid possible confusion on the part of your readers: it's not a "v10" runtime, it's
> a v3.10.0 runtime. And, in "Gambas3  v3.10.0" the first '3' is redundant. ;-)
> 
> 

From bugtracker at gambaswiki.org  Wed Dec 20 04:40:05 2017
From: bugtracker at gambaswiki.org (bugtracker at gambaswiki.org)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 03:40:05 GMT
Subject: [Gambas-user] [Gambas Bug Tracker] Bug #1219: Gambas IDE - Error
 message during 'Update all Forms' menu
In-Reply-To: <BUG1219@gambaswiki.org>
References: <BUG1219@gambaswiki.org>
Message-ID: <BUG1219:20171220044004670@gambaswiki.org>

http://gambaswiki.org/bugtracker/edit?object=BUG.1219&from=L21haW4-

Comment #2 by Olivier CRUILLES:

It works now. all ok. Thank you
olivier



From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Wed Dec 20 19:09:03 2017
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:09:03 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] Problem with DataControl
In-Reply-To: <160427076.6142.1513582435431@office.mailbox.org>
References: <160427076.6142.1513582435431@office.mailbox.org>
Message-ID: <e56c042f-1b20-f7c9-0918-27e0f5a5018a@gmail.com>

On 12/18/2017 02:33 AM, bkv at mailbox.org wrote:
> *Hi
> 
> I have a form with a DataControl. I want to write text (comments) into the control. Unfortunately the Enter key has no effect in
> this control. I cannot break the line. I can onlyt get one line of text, and if long enough, it will extend out of the visible
> part. Also, when I type, the text does not come on the upper part of the control, but on the middle.
> 
> Strangely, I have an other form where the DataControl works OK.
> 
> Help is appreciated
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Bj?rn*
> 

I don't understand what you mean by, "the text does not come on the upper part of the control, but on the middle." When I type
in the control, the text is filled in left to right and top to bottom.

Are you using Qt or GTK?

Also, I noticed that any text after a linefeed will not be written to the field when using the Save button in the DataBrowser.

It might help if you provided us with an archive of your project or of a stripped down version. Often, isolating relevant parts
of the code will reveal the problem.


-- 
Lee

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 13:57:53 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 08:57:53 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] gambas qt4 depends was changes or still can compile
 in low depends
Message-ID: <CALci+FTT8NxUi_o0zZZaF4J35wcGgL_+zRvFNrVM_9i-tzBbPw@mail.gmail.com>

i see recently many changes in the gambas wiki at the webkit related..

still gambas can be compiled with low depends by examble qt4 4.6?

please dont cut dont my older hardware! older hardware could no more use
recent linux kernels.. (and its non-sense install recent linux in older
hardware)


Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 14:01:52 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 09:01:52 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] v4l deprecated since?
Message-ID: <CALci+FRU3y4XcRcn8hETaJUeo4scKsXKFJjkj-YEfEC0ueCEAg@mail.gmail.com>

i can see in wiki that v4l comp was deprecated .. err since?


if i want to source a camera in my older hardware how can i made? currently
SDL2 and Gstreamer cannot do that with many but very older cameras! there's
no sense in that!


Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 14:09:23 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 09:09:23 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] gambas dinamic packagin.. for debian
Message-ID: <CALci+FQ8K1+kOdbTFDqw9QEmpSi0MB1D0Uw9L_-rNwEPMC-5-Q@mail.gmail.com>

i started a script that based n daily builds can dinamically make debian
packages

for now i have fixed static control file and a script that retrieve the
sourcesand then create the 3 necesary files for made debian packages
dinamically

the idea its the we run a script that search the modules of gambas in
directory structure and then create the control file..


here firts lines:


#!/bin/sh

GAMVER=3.10.0
DEBNAM=gambas3
DEBVER=`grep '^Version' ${DEBNAM}.dsc | tr -cd '[0-9\.\-]'`
DEBTAR="${DEBNAM}_${DEBVER}.debian.tar.xz"

echo "Creating ${DEBTAR}:"

tar -cvJf "${DEBTAR}" --exclude='*.ex' debian

echo "downloading the gambas sources"


wget https://gitlab.com/gambas/gambas/repository/v${GAMVER}/archive.tar.gz
-O ${DEBNAM}-${GAMVER}.tar.gz

echo "Updating checksums..."

ORIGVER=`echo ${DEBVER} | cut -d- -f1`
ORIGTAR="${DEBNAM}-${GAMVER}.tar.gz"
ORIGSIZE=`stat -c %s ${ORIGTAR}`

DEBSIZE=`stat -c %s ${DEBTAR}`

echo " `sha256sum ${ORIGTAR} | cut -d' ' -f1` ${ORIGSIZE}
${DEBNAM}_${ORIGVER}.orig.tar.gz" > checksums.txt
echo " `sha256sum ${DEBTAR} | cut -d' ' -f1` ${DEBSIZE} ${DEBTAR}" >>
checksums.txt
echo "Checksums-Sha1:" >> checksums.txt
echo " `sha1sum ${ORIGTAR} | cut -d' ' -f1` ${ORIGSIZE}
${DEBNAM}_${ORIGVER}.orig.tar.gz" >> checksums.txt
echo " `sha1sum ${DEBTAR} | cut -d' ' -f1` ${DEBSIZE} ${DEBTAR}" >>
checksums.txt
echo "Files:" >> checksums.txt
echo " `md5sum ${ORIGTAR} | cut -d' ' -f1` ${ORIGSIZE}
${DEBNAM}_${ORIGVER}.orig.tar.gz" >> checksums.txt
echo " `md5sum ${DEBTAR} | cut -d' ' -f1` ${DEBSIZE} ${DEBTAR}" >>
checksums.txt

lead='^Checksums-Sha256:$'
sed -i "/$lead/,$ { /$lead/{p; r checksums.txt
        }; d }"  ${DEBNAM}.dsc

rm checksums.txt
cp "${DEBNAM}-${ORIGVER}.tar.gz" "${DEBNAM}_${ORIGVER}.orig.tar.gz"


here now we can do normally debian procedures like "dpkg -x" and then
"debuild"

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 14:27:40 2017
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 14:27:40 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] v4l deprecated since?
In-Reply-To: <CALci+FRU3y4XcRcn8hETaJUeo4scKsXKFJjkj-YEfEC0ueCEAg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALci+FRU3y4XcRcn8hETaJUeo4scKsXKFJjkj-YEfEC0ueCEAg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <13f335d9-8a47-e142-2017-69d66877efcf@gmail.com>

Le 21/12/2017 ? 14:01, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit?:
> i can see in wiki that v4l comp was deprecated .. err since?
> 
> 
> if i want to source a camera in my older hardware how can i made? 
> currently SDL2 and Gstreamer cannot do that with many but very older 
> cameras! there's no sense in that!
> 
> 
> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
> 

Deprecated means "not maintained anymore". Since when does not actually 
matter.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 15:08:53 2017
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:08:53 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] v4l deprecated since?
In-Reply-To: <13f335d9-8a47-e142-2017-69d66877efcf@gmail.com>
References: <CALci+FRU3y4XcRcn8hETaJUeo4scKsXKFJjkj-YEfEC0ueCEAg@mail.gmail.com>
 <13f335d9-8a47-e142-2017-69d66877efcf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFkCsL6zCZZpJjP2zDg+O_x9GcXzQZX0-5h6tTdtuMoMUM2YaA@mail.gmail.com>

Instead you can use gb.media.

2017-12-21 14:27 GMT+01:00 Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com>:
> Le 21/12/2017 ? 14:01, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit :
>>
>> i can see in wiki that v4l comp was deprecated .. err since?
>>
>>
>> if i want to source a camera in my older hardware how can i made?
>> currently SDL2 and Gstreamer cannot do that with many but very older
>> cameras! there's no sense in that!
>>
>>
>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>
>
> Deprecated means "not maintained anymore". Since when does not actually
> matter.
>
> --
> Beno?t Minisini
>
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> This is the Gambas Mailing List
> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
>
> Hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net



-- 
Fabien Bodard

From bkv at mailbox.org  Thu Dec 21 16:27:16 2017
From: bkv at mailbox.org (bkv at mailbox.org)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:27:16 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Problem with DataControl
In-Reply-To: <e56c042f-1b20-f7c9-0918-27e0f5a5018a@gmail.com>
References: <160427076.6142.1513582435431@office.mailbox.org>
 <e56c042f-1b20-f7c9-0918-27e0f5a5018a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1727688696.21464.1513870040054@office.mailbox.org>

Thanks for your response, Lee.
I have attached an archive of my project. The problem is in the form called FMLadelogg and the control is Kommentar. My dekstop is KDE, so I guess I use QT.

The control fills from left to right, but not from top to bottom. I get only one line, and I cannot break it.

Regards,
Bj?rn


> On December 20, 2017 at 7:09 PM T Lee Davidson <t.lee.davidson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> On 12/18/2017 02:33 AM, bkv at mailbox.org wrote:
> > *Hi
> > 
> > I have a form with a DataControl. I want to write text (comments) into the control. Unfortunately the Enter key has no effect in
> > this control. I cannot break the line. I can onlyt get one line of text, and if long enough, it will extend out of the visible
> > part. Also, when I type, the text does not come on the upper part of the control, but on the middle.
> > 
> > Strangely, I have an other form where the DataControl works OK.
> > 
> > Help is appreciated
> > 
> > Greetings,
> > 
> > Bj?rn*
> > 
> 
> I don't understand what you mean by, "the text does not come on the upper part of the control, but on the middle." When I type
> in the control, the text is filled in left to right and top to bottom.
> 
> Are you using Qt or GTK?
> 
> Also, I noticed that any text after a linefeed will not be written to the field when using the Save button in the DataBrowser.
> 
> It might help if you provided us with an archive of your project or of a stripped down version. Often, isolating relevant parts
> of the code will reveal the problem.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Lee
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> 
> This is the Gambas Mailing List
> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
> 
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 19:01:59 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 14:01:59 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] v4l deprecated since?
In-Reply-To: <CAFkCsL6zCZZpJjP2zDg+O_x9GcXzQZX0-5h6tTdtuMoMUM2YaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALci+FRU3y4XcRcn8hETaJUeo4scKsXKFJjkj-YEfEC0ueCEAg@mail.gmail.com>
 <13f335d9-8a47-e142-2017-69d66877efcf@gmail.com>
 <CAFkCsL6zCZZpJjP2zDg+O_x9GcXzQZX0-5h6tTdtuMoMUM2YaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALci+FTt_db52a=WZj_=qKrdbbbFUV-R=eaStArJuWZKEXC3RQ@mail.gmail.com>

gb.media need gstreamer too recent and this does not load/compile in debian
lenny/squeeze very well

what happened with v4l ? why unmantained?

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2017-12-21 10:08 GMT-04:00 Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com>:

> Instead you can use gb.media.
>
> 2017-12-21 14:27 GMT+01:00 Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com>:
> > Le 21/12/2017 ? 14:01, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit :
> >>
> >> i can see in wiki that v4l comp was deprecated .. err since?
> >>
> >>
> >> if i want to source a camera in my older hardware how can i made?
> >> currently SDL2 and Gstreamer cannot do that with many but very older
> >> cameras! there's no sense in that!
> >>
> >>
> >> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> >> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
> >>
> >
> > Deprecated means "not maintained anymore". Since when does not actually
> > matter.
> >
> > --
> > Beno?t Minisini
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> >
> > This is the Gambas Mailing List
> > https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
> >
> > Hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
>
>
>
> --
> Fabien Bodard
>
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From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 19:42:11 2017
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 13:42:11 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] Problem with DataControl
In-Reply-To: <1727688696.21464.1513870040054@office.mailbox.org>
References: <160427076.6142.1513582435431@office.mailbox.org>
 <e56c042f-1b20-f7c9-0918-27e0f5a5018a@gmail.com>
 <1727688696.21464.1513870040054@office.mailbox.org>
Message-ID: <8adc9494-7857-7933-8810-993520a5ce66@gmail.com>

Well I've determined the cause of the different behavior, but I don't know how to correct it.

The DataControls, both named Kommentar, on FMain and FMLadelogg do behave differently because their respective underlying text
controls are different.

Inserting "Debug Kommentar.Control" into the Form.Open Subs of each form yields:
FMain.Form_Open.9: (TextArea 0xe31448)
FMLadelogg.Form_Open.15: (TextBox 0x105ce08)

And as we know, TextArea is a multi-line control, and TextBox is single-line.

Now according to the Wiki, DataControl.Control is read-only precluding programmatic control of the underlying text editing control.

Apparently, that is decided by the interpreter/compiler. And perhaps the difference is because FMLadelogg form is opened as
Modal and FMain would not be.

Someone else, perhaps Beno?t, will need to clarify that.


-- 
Lee

On 12/21/2017 10:27 AM, bkv at mailbox.org wrote:
> Thanks for your response, Lee.
> I have attached an archive of my project. The problem is in the form called FMLadelogg and the control is Kommentar. My dekstop is KDE, so I guess I use QT.
> 
> The control fills from left to right, but not from top to bottom. I get only one line, and I cannot break it.
> 
> Regards,
> Bj?rn
> 
> 
>> On December 20, 2017 at 7:09 PM T Lee Davidson <t.lee.davidson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 12/18/2017 02:33 AM, bkv at mailbox.org wrote:
>>> *Hi
>>>
>>> I have a form with a DataControl. I want to write text (comments) into the control. Unfortunately the Enter key has no effect in
>>> this control. I cannot break the line. I can onlyt get one line of text, and if long enough, it will extend out of the visible
>>> part. Also, when I type, the text does not come on the upper part of the control, but on the middle.
>>>
>>> Strangely, I have an other form where the DataControl works OK.
>>>
>>> Help is appreciated
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> Bj?rn*
>>>
>>
>> I don't understand what you mean by, "the text does not come on the upper part of the control, but on the middle." When I type
>> in the control, the text is filled in left to right and top to bottom.
>>
>> Are you using Qt or GTK?
>>
>> Also, I noticed that any text after a linefeed will not be written to the field when using the Save button in the DataBrowser.
>>
>> It might help if you provided us with an archive of your project or of a stripped down version. Often, isolating relevant parts
>> of the code will reveal the problem.
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Lee
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>>
>> This is the Gambas Mailing List
>> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
>>
>> Hosted by https://www.hostsharing.net
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>>
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>> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
>>
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From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 19:58:03 2017
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 19:58:03 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Problem with DataControl
In-Reply-To: <8adc9494-7857-7933-8810-993520a5ce66@gmail.com>
References: <160427076.6142.1513582435431@office.mailbox.org>
 <e56c042f-1b20-f7c9-0918-27e0f5a5018a@gmail.com>
 <1727688696.21464.1513870040054@office.mailbox.org>
 <8adc9494-7857-7933-8810-993520a5ce66@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <82b540b4-1764-a988-2dea-cef5899c62c4@gmail.com>

Le 21/12/2017 ? 19:42, T Lee Davidson a ?crit?:
> Well I've determined the cause of the different behavior, but I don't know how to correct it.
> 
> The DataControls, both named Kommentar, on FMain and FMLadelogg do behave differently because their respective underlying text
> controls are different.
> 
> Inserting "Debug Kommentar.Control" into the Form.Open Subs of each form yields:
> FMain.Form_Open.9: (TextArea 0xe31448)
> FMLadelogg.Form_Open.15: (TextBox 0x105ce08)
> 
> And as we know, TextArea is a multi-line control, and TextBox is single-line.
> 
> Now according to the Wiki, DataControl.Control is read-only precluding programmatic control of the underlying text editing control.
> 
> Apparently, that is decided by the interpreter/compiler. And perhaps the difference is because FMLadelogg form is opened as
> Modal and FMain would not be.
> 
> Someone else, perhaps Beno?t, will need to clarify that.
> 
> 

TextArea is used when the underlying database field has no limit. 
Otherwise a TextBox is used.

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 20:00:07 2017
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 21:00:07 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] v4l deprecated since?
In-Reply-To: <CALci+FTt_db52a=WZj_=qKrdbbbFUV-R=eaStArJuWZKEXC3RQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALci+FRU3y4XcRcn8hETaJUeo4scKsXKFJjkj-YEfEC0ueCEAg@mail.gmail.com>
 <13f335d9-8a47-e142-2017-69d66877efcf@gmail.com>
 <CAFkCsL6zCZZpJjP2zDg+O_x9GcXzQZX0-5h6tTdtuMoMUM2YaA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALci+FTt_db52a=WZj_=qKrdbbbFUV-R=eaStArJuWZKEXC3RQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFJMe7TPy0LUaqvibbMvx+Ef+DwzYeSSsR+GwvjPqA0J7=1d9A@mail.gmail.com>

It means that original authors Daniel Campos Fern?ndez and Gareth Bult are
not maintaining the component anymore. Volunteers?


Jussi

On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 8:01 PM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>
wrote:

> gb.media need gstreamer too recent and this does not load/compile in
> debian lenny/squeeze very well
>
> what happened with v4l ? why unmantained?
>
> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>
> 2017-12-21 10:08 GMT-04:00 Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com>:
>
>> Instead you can use gb.media.
>>
>> 2017-12-21 14:27 GMT+01:00 Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com>:
>> > Le 21/12/2017 ? 14:01, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit :
>> >>
>> >> i can see in wiki that v4l comp was deprecated .. err since?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> if i want to source a camera in my older hardware how can i made?
>> >> currently SDL2 and Gstreamer cannot do that with many but very older
>> >> cameras! there's no sense in that!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>> >> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>> >>
>> >
>> > Deprecated means "not maintained anymore". Since when does not actually
>> > matter.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Beno?t Minisini
>> >
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>>
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From jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 20:05:20 2017
From: jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com (Jussi Lahtinen)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 21:05:20 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-user] gambas qt4 depends was changes or still can
 compile in low depends
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Gambas wiki says gb.qt4 and the sub components needs all Qt4 libraries >=
Qt 4.5. So, 4.6 should be fine.
Also you can custom build Linux kernel for older hardware. It's just that
distros are unlikely to offer kernel binaries for very old computers,
because they are very rarely used anymore.


Jussi

On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 2:57 PM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard at gmail.com>
wrote:

> i see recently many changes in the gambas wiki at the webkit related..
>
> still gambas can be compiled with low depends by examble qt4 4.6?
>
> please dont cut dont my older hardware! older hardware could no more use
> recent linux kernels.. (and its non-sense install recent linux in older
> hardware)
>
>
> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>
>
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From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 20:20:37 2017
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 14:20:37 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] Problem with DataControl
In-Reply-To: <82b540b4-1764-a988-2dea-cef5899c62c4@gmail.com>
References: <160427076.6142.1513582435431@office.mailbox.org>
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On 12/21/2017 01:58 PM, Beno?t Minisini wrote:
> Le 21/12/2017 ? 19:42, T Lee Davidson a ?crit?:
>> Well I've determined the cause of the different behavior, but I don't know how to correct it.
>>
>> The DataControls, both named Kommentar, on FMain and FMLadelogg do behave differently because their respective underlying text
>> controls are different.
>>
>> Inserting "Debug Kommentar.Control" into the Form.Open Subs of each form yields:
>> FMain.Form_Open.9: (TextArea 0xe31448)
>> FMLadelogg.Form_Open.15: (TextBox 0x105ce08)
>>
>> And as we know, TextArea is a multi-line control, and TextBox is single-line.
>>
>> Now according to the Wiki, DataControl.Control is read-only precluding programmatic control of the underlying text editing
>> control.
>>
>> Apparently, that is decided by the interpreter/compiler. And perhaps the difference is because FMLadelogg form is opened as
>> Modal and FMain would not be.
>>
>> Someone else, perhaps Beno?t, will need to clarify that.
>>
>>
> 
> TextArea is used when the underlying database field has no limit. Otherwise a TextBox is used.
> 

Thank you for that very useful clarification, Beno?t.

However, neither one of the relative underlying database fields has no limit.

The one given a TextBox control has VARCHAR(200) and the DataControl given the TextArea has VARCHAR(500). Is 500 above a
threshold that is considered 'no limit'?

I'm just curious about that for future reference, because I think Bj?rn can solve his problem by simply raising the limit on the
one field.


-- 
Lee

From g4mba5 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 20:33:10 2017
From: g4mba5 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Beno=c3=aet_Minisini?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 20:33:10 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Problem with DataControl
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Le 21/12/2017 ? 20:20, T Lee Davidson a ?crit?:
>>
>> TextArea is used when the underlying database field has no limit. Otherwise a TextBox is used.
>>
> 
> Thank you for that very useful clarification, Beno?t.
> 
> However, neither one of the relative underlying database fields has no limit.
> 
> The one given a TextBox control has VARCHAR(200) and the DataControl given the TextArea has VARCHAR(500). Is 500 above a
> threshold that is considered 'no limit'?
> 
> I'm just curious about that for future reference, because I think Bj?rn can solve his problem by simply raising the limit on the
> one field.
> 
> 

It's just in the source code actually... If the limit is greater than 
256 characters, or not limited, then a TextArea is used. Otherwise a 
TextBox.

Regards,

-- 
Beno?t Minisini

From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 21:07:32 2017
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:07:32 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] Problem with DataControl
In-Reply-To: <8566edc6-bcfd-c8a2-1974-131579e5ea6b@gmail.com>
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On 12/21/2017 02:33 PM, Beno?t Minisini wrote:
> Le 21/12/2017 ? 20:20, T Lee Davidson a ?crit?:
>>>
>>> TextArea is used when the underlying database field has no limit. Otherwise a TextBox is used.
>>>
>>
>> Thank you for that very useful clarification, Beno?t.
>>
>> However, neither one of the relative underlying database fields has no limit.
>>
>> The one given a TextBox control has VARCHAR(200) and the DataControl given the TextArea has VARCHAR(500). Is 500 above a
>> threshold that is considered 'no limit'?
>>
>> I'm just curious about that for future reference, because I think Bj?rn can solve his problem by simply raising the limit on the
>> one field.
>>
>>
> 
> It's just in the source code actually... If the limit is greater than 256 characters, or not limited, then a TextArea is used.
> Otherwise a TextBox.
> 
> Regards,
> 

Yes, I could have looked in the source code. But I,more often than not, have difficulty navigating the code as the structure is
confusing to me, and I cannot figure out where to look. So, thank you for that immediate answer, Beno?t.

To confirm, raising the field defined with VARCHAR(200) to a VARCHAR(300) solved the issue.

Curiously, and just FYI for anyone needing to modify a column, sqlite3 does not support a Modify Column operation for Alter
Table. I had to dump the database and recreate it (with "ladelogg" the name of the db):

echo '.dump' | sqlite3 ladelogg > ladelogg.dump
# Manually text edit the field definition in the ladelogg.dump file
mv ladelogg ladelogg.bak
cat ladelogg.dump | sqlite3 ladelogg


-- 
Lee

From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Fri Dec 22 21:17:38 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 16:17:38 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] gambas qt4 depends was changes or still can
 compile in low depends
In-Reply-To: <CAFJMe7Qo5=Eqfy_12K=ivXn4WxS0PbiLp5AuqgRjQBCrjjq4ng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALci+FTT8NxUi_o0zZZaF4J35wcGgL_+zRvFNrVM_9i-tzBbPw@mail.gmail.com>
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2017-12-21 15:05 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:

> Gambas wiki says gb.qt4 and the sub components needs all Qt4 libraries >=
> Qt 4.5. So, 4.6 should be fine.
>
well remenber that webkit between 4.6 and 4.8 are separated!!!! its not so
easy i ask again! should be fine!?


> Also you can custom build Linux kernel for older hardware.
>
recent kernels removed code for older hardware, the only way its use older
kernels


>   because they are very rarely used anymore.
>
talk by yourself! only the people that pay intenet made a amount of statics
in the internet as "modern hardware", but mayority of them dont use linux,
and gambas only runs in linux so ...

in fact in my country there's very few outsales for modern hardware (very
expense) and many older laptops working..
in fact a old-mom dont pay more only due their hardware are "outdated", she
can see it workiing and dont pay more for a newer

she have a SONY VAIO PCG-Z1VFP recent linux kernels cut the video opengl
support for it as example..


>
>
> Jussi
>
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 2:57 PM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
> mckaygerhard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> i see recently many changes in the gambas wiki at the webkit related..
>>
>> still gambas can be compiled with low depends by examble qt4 4.6?
>>
>> please dont cut dont my older hardware! older hardware could no more use
>> recent linux kernels.. (and its non-sense install recent linux in older
>> hardware)
>>
>>
>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>>
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>> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
>>
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>>
>>
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Fri Dec 22 21:24:42 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 16:24:42 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] v4l deprecated since?
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i revised the code, arrggg there' some C skills need here! ;-(

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2017-12-21 15:00 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen <jussi.lahtinen at gmail.com>:

> It means that original authors Daniel Campos Fern?ndez and Gareth Bult are
> not maintaining the component anymore. Volunteers?
>
>
> Jussi
>
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 8:01 PM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <
> mckaygerhard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> gb.media need gstreamer too recent and this does not load/compile in
>> debian lenny/squeeze very well
>>
>> what happened with v4l ? why unmantained?
>>
>> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>
>> 2017-12-21 10:08 GMT-04:00 Fabien Bodard <gambas.fr at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Instead you can use gb.media.
>>>
>>> 2017-12-21 14:27 GMT+01:00 Beno?t Minisini <g4mba5 at gmail.com>:
>>> > Le 21/12/2017 ? 14:01, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a ?crit :
>>> >>
>>> >> i can see in wiki that v4l comp was deprecated .. err since?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> if i want to source a camera in my older hardware how can i made?
>>> >> currently SDL2 and Gstreamer cannot do that with many but very older
>>> >> cameras! there's no sense in that!
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
>>> >> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Deprecated means "not maintained anymore". Since when does not actually
>>> > matter.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Beno?t Minisini
>>> >
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>>>
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From bkv at mailbox.org  Sat Dec 23 18:20:13 2017
From: bkv at mailbox.org (bkv at mailbox.org)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 18:20:13 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Gambas-user] Problem with DataControl
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Thanks a lot,
 guys. That fixed it.
-Bj?rn
> On December 21, 2017 at 9:07 PM T Lee Davidson <t.lee.davidson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/21/2017 02:33 PM, Beno?t Minisini wrote:
> > Le 21/12/2017 ? 20:20, T Lee Davidson a ?crit :
> >>>
> >>> TextArea is used when the underlying database field has no limit. Otherwise a TextBox is used.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Thank you for that very useful clarification, Beno?t.
> >>
> >> However, neither one of the relative underlying database fields has no limit.
> >>
> >> The one given a TextBox control has VARCHAR(200) and the DataControl given the TextArea has VARCHAR(500). Is 500 above a
> >> threshold that is considered 'no limit'?
> >>
> >> I'm just curious about that for future reference, because I think Bj?rn can solve his problem by simply raising the limit on the
> >> one field.
> >>
> >>
> > 
> > It's just in the source code actually... If the limit is greater than 256 characters, or not limited, then a TextArea is used.
> > Otherwise a TextBox.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> 
> Yes, I could have looked in the source code. But I,more often than not, have difficulty navigating the code as the structure is
> confusing to me, and I cannot figure out where to look. So, thank you for that immediate answer, Beno?t.
> 
> To confirm, raising the field defined with VARCHAR(200) to a VARCHAR(300) solved the issue.
> 
> Curiously, and just FYI for anyone needing to modify a column, sqlite3 does not support a Modify Column operation for Alter
> Table. I had to dump the database and recreate it (with "ladelogg" the name of the db):
> 
> echo '.dump' | sqlite3 ladelogg > ladelogg.dump
> # Manually text edit the field definition in the ladelogg.dump file
> mv ladelogg ladelogg.bak
> cat ladelogg.dump | sqlite3 ladelogg
> 
> 
> -- 
> Lee
> 
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> 
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From owlbrudder at gmail.com  Fri Dec 29 04:43:24 2017
From: owlbrudder at gmail.com (Doug Hutcheson)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:43:24 +1000
Subject: [Gambas-user] What is wrong with my query syntax?
Message-ID: <1514519004.3262.102.camel@gmail.com>

Hi. I'm a new user and I have misunderstood something.

I am trying to establish a connection to a PostgreSQL database.

 At http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/howto/database?ht=database-manager,
point 6, I read the following example of a query:
                Dim $Query As String
               $Query = ?SELECT * FROM Friends WHERE Name = '? &
TBXName.Text & ?'?

However, no matter how I try, I always get a syntax error on the
assignment line. Obviously I am missing something - can you help?

Kind regards,
Doug
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From johny.provoost at skynet.be  Fri Dec 29 11:18:59 2017
From: johny.provoost at skynet.be (Johny Provoost)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 11:18:59 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] What is wrong with my query syntax?
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I always use

$Query = ?SELECT * FROM Friends WHERE Name = ? & "\"" & TBXName.Text & "\""

and use formname.TBXNamer.Text but don't know if that's the problem

By the way, This maillist is changed to 
'gambas-user at lists.sourceforge.net'.? You should use this one.

Kind Regards,

Johny


Op 29-12-17 om 04:43 schreef Doug Hutcheson:
> Hi. I'm a new user and I have misunderstood something.
>
> I am trying to establish a connection to a PostgreSQL database.
>
> ?At http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/howto/database?ht=database-manager, 
> point 6, I read the following example of a query:
> ????????????????Dim $Query As String
> ???????????? ??$Query = ?SELECT * FROM Friends WHERE Name = '? & 
> TBXName.Text & ?'?
>
> However, no matter how I try, I always get a syntax error on the 
> assignment line. Obviously I am missing something - can you help?
>
> Kind regards,
> Doug
>
>
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Fri Dec 29 11:42:03 2017
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 11:42:03 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] What is wrong with my query syntax?
In-Reply-To: <c85b0a5d-7aaa-65e4-40f9-fd016c634b14@skynet.be>
References: <1514519004.3262.102.camel@gmail.com>
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The question seems to be placed in the correct place [0]
Even SQL seems correct, maybe a question of apostrophe?
Dim sName As String
sName = TBXName.Text
sName = Replace(sName,"'","''")
$Query = ?SELECT * FROM Friends WHERE Name = '? & sName & ?'?

[0] https://lists.gambas-basic.org/pipermail/user/2017-December/thread.html

Regards
Gianluigi


2017-12-29 11:18 GMT+01:00 Johny Provoost <johny.provoost at skynet.be>:

> I always use
>
> $Query = ?SELECT * FROM Friends WHERE Name = ? & "\"" & TBXName.Text & "\""
>
> and use formname.TBXNamer.Text but don't know if that's the problem
>
> By the way, This maillist is changed to 'gambas-user at lists.sourceforge.net'.
> You should use this one.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Johny
>
>
> Op 29-12-17 om 04:43 schreef Doug Hutcheson:
>
>> Hi. I'm a new user and I have misunderstood something.
>>
>> I am trying to establish a connection to a PostgreSQL database.
>>
>>  At http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/howto/database?ht=database-manager, point
>> 6, I read the following example of a query:
>>                 Dim $Query As String
>>                $Query = ?SELECT * FROM Friends WHERE Name = '? &
>> TBXName.Text & ?'?
>>
>> However, no matter how I try, I always get a syntax error on the
>> assignment line. Obviously I am missing something - can you help?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Doug
>>
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From d4t4full at gmail.com  Fri Dec 29 12:07:29 2017
From: d4t4full at gmail.com (ML)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 08:07:29 -0300
Subject: [Gambas-user] What is wrong with my query syntax?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2rqFYEH2x_UtLLO0ypHezDi-X6ajgFBdHEGCrzMoGmTQHZ1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1514519004.3262.102.camel@gmail.com>
 <c85b0a5d-7aaa-65e4-40f9-fd016c634b14@skynet.be>
 <CAJ2rqFYEH2x_UtLLO0ypHezDi-X6ajgFBdHEGCrzMoGmTQHZ1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11352897-4c74-cd85-9f77-3ddd45ea4412@gmail.com>

Just a very stupid observation: The query is completed by the contents
of a textbox control (called TBXName) on the form where it's supposed to
be placed.
If the syntax error comes from GAMBAS, this textbox may not exist
(didn't try actually, but a possibility nonetheless).

On the other hand, if the error comes from the DB Engine (PostgreSQL in
this case), then the query may be malformed; maybe a single quote in the
textbox data is screwing the query up.
For example, suppose the textbox has the name "O'Malley". The query
string would become the following:

? ?SELECT * FROM Friends WHERE Name = 'O'Malley'?

As you can see, the WHERE clause becomes "WHERE Name = 'O'" and the
"Malley'" excess string post-clause will trigger the syntax error at the
DB Engine level.
You MUST escape all apostrophes at the very basic level or, better, use
StoredProcedures with Parameters. Google up "SQL Injection" for (lotsa)
more info.
Try with "' OR 1 --" in the textbox data to see some unwanted effects
abused by database attackers...

Regards,
zxMarce

*On 29/12/17 07:42, Gianluigi wrote:*
> The question seems to be placed in the correct place [0]
> Even SQL seems correct, maybe a question of apostrophe?
> Dim sName As String
> sName = TBXName.Text
> sName = Replace(sName,"'","''")
> $Query = ?SELECT * FROM Friends WHERE Name = '? & sName & ?'?
> [0]
> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/pipermail/user/2017-December/thread.html
> Regards
> Gianluigi
>
> *2017-12-29 11:18 GMT+01:00 Johny Provoost **<johny.provoost at skynet.be
> <mailto:johny.provoost at skynet.be>>**:*
>
>     I always use
>     $Query = ?SELECT * FROM Friends WHERE Name = ? & "\"" &
>     TBXName.Text & "\""
>     and use formname.TBXNamer.Text but don't know if that's the problem
>     By the way, This maillist is changed to
>     'gambas-user at lists.sourceforge.net
>     <mailto:gambas-user at lists.sourceforge.net>'.? You should use this one.
>     Kind Regards,
>     Johny
>
>     *Op 29-12-17 om 04:43 schreef Doug Hutcheson:*
>
>         Hi. I'm a new user and I have misunderstood something.
>         I am trying to establish a connection to a PostgreSQL database.
>         ?At
>         http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/howto/database?ht=database-manager
>         <http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/howto/database?ht=database-manager>,
>         point 6, I read the following example of a query:
>         ????????????????Dim $Query As String
>         ???????????? ??$Query = ?SELECT * FROM Friends WHERE Name = '?
>         & TBXName.Text & ?'?
>         However, no matter how I try, I always get a syntax error on
>         the assignment line. Obviously I am missing something - can
>         you help?
>         Kind regards,
>         Doug
>

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From: johny.provoost at skynet.be (Johny Provoost)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 12:35:23 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] What is wrong with my query syntax?
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Fri Dec 29 13:03:42 2017
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:03:42 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] What is wrong with my query syntax?
In-Reply-To: <ccba6219-5151-1e66-d444-47d55608b3aa@skynet.be>
References: <1514519004.3262.102.camel@gmail.com>
 <c85b0a5d-7aaa-65e4-40f9-fd016c634b14@skynet.be>
 <CAJ2rqFYEH2x_UtLLO0ypHezDi-X6ajgFBdHEGCrzMoGmTQHZ1g@mail.gmail.com>
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AFAIK, it works only with SQLite it does not work with MySQL and Postgres.

Regards
Gianluigi

2017-12-29 12:35 GMT+01:00 Johny Provoost <johny.provoost at skynet.be>:

> Thats why I always use
>
> ?SELECT * FROM Friends WHERE Name =" & "\"" & TBXName.Text & "\""
>
> to avoid that.  In Belgium we got a lot of names with a ' in the name.
>
> Op 29-12-17 om 12:07 schreef ML:
>
> Just a very stupid observation: The query is completed by the contents of
> a textbox control (called TBXName) on the form where it's supposed to be
> placed.
> If the syntax error comes from GAMBAS, this textbox may not exist (didn't
> try actually, but a possibility nonetheless).
>
> On the other hand, if the error comes from the DB Engine (PostgreSQL in
> this case), then the query may be malformed; maybe a single quote in the
> textbox data is screwing the query up.
> For example, suppose the textbox has the name "O'Malley". The query string
> would become the following:
>
>   ?SELECT * FROM Friends WHERE Name = 'O'Malley'?
>
> As you can see, the WHERE clause becomes "WHERE Name = 'O'" and the
> "Malley'" excess string post-clause will trigger the syntax error at the DB
> Engine level.
> You MUST escape all apostrophes at the very basic level or, better, use
> StoredProcedures with Parameters. Google up "SQL Injection" for (lotsa)
> more info.
> Try with "' OR 1 --" in the textbox data to see some unwanted effects
> abused by database attackers...
>
> Regards,
> zxMarce
>
> *On 29/12/17 07:42, Gianluigi wrote:*
>
> The question seems to be placed in the correct place [0]
> Even SQL seems correct, maybe a question of apostrophe?
> Dim sName As String
> sName = TBXName.Text
> sName = Replace(sName,"'","''")
> $Query = ?SELECT * FROM Friends WHERE Name = '? & sName & ?'?
> [0] https://lists.gambas-basic.org/pipermail/user/2017-
> December/thread.html
> Regards
> Gianluigi
>
> *2017-12-29 11:18 GMT+01:00 Johny Provoost **<johny.provoost at skynet.be
> <johny.provoost at skynet.be>>**:*
>
>> I always use
>> $Query = ?SELECT * FROM Friends WHERE Name = ? & "\"" & TBXName.Text &
>> "\""
>> and use formname.TBXNamer.Text but don't know if that's the problem
>> By the way, This maillist is changed to 'gambas-user at lists.sourceforge
>> .net'.  You should use this one.
>> Kind Regards,
>> Johny
>>
>> * Op 29-12-17 om 04:43 schreef Doug Hutcheson:*
>>
>>> Hi. I'm a new user and I have misunderstood something.
>>> I am trying to establish a connection to a PostgreSQL database.
>>>  At http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/howto/database?ht=database-manager,
>>> point 6, I read the following example of a query:
>>>                 Dim $Query As String
>>>                $Query = ?SELECT * FROM Friends WHERE Name = '? &
>>> TBXName.Text & ?'?
>>> However, no matter how I try, I always get a syntax error on the
>>> assignment line. Obviously I am missing something - can you help?
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Doug
>>>
>>
>
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>
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>
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From bagonergi at gmail.com  Fri Dec 29 14:16:08 2017
From: bagonergi at gmail.com (Gianluigi)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 14:16:08 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] What is wrong with my query syntax?
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References: <1514519004.3262.102.camel@gmail.com>
 <c85b0a5d-7aaa-65e4-40f9-fd016c634b14@skynet.be>
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What an idiot I am, miss the ";" final.
To avoid mistakes I write the queries like that:

  sMySql = "SELECT *"
  sMySql &= " FROM Friends"
  sMySql &= " WHERE Name='" & sName & "'"
  sMySql &= ";"

Regards
Gianluigi

2017-12-29 13:03 GMT+01:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:

> AFAIK, it works only with SQLite it does not work with MySQL and Postgres.
>
> Regards
> Gianluigi
>
> 2017-12-29 12:35 GMT+01:00 Johny Provoost <johny.provoost at skynet.be>:
>
>> Thats why I always use
>>
>> ?SELECT * FROM Friends WHERE Name =" & "\"" & TBXName.Text & "\""
>>
>> to avoid that.  In Belgium we got a lot of names with a ' in the name.
>>
>> Op 29-12-17 om 12:07 schreef ML:
>>
>> Just a very stupid observation: The query is completed by the contents of
>> a textbox control (called TBXName) on the form where it's supposed to be
>> placed.
>> If the syntax error comes from GAMBAS, this textbox may not exist (didn't
>> try actually, but a possibility nonetheless).
>>
>> On the other hand, if the error comes from the DB Engine (PostgreSQL in
>> this case), then the query may be malformed; maybe a single quote in the
>> textbox data is screwing the query up.
>> For example, suppose the textbox has the name "O'Malley". The query
>> string would become the following:
>>
>>   ?SELECT * FROM Friends WHERE Name = 'O'Malley'?
>>
>> As you can see, the WHERE clause becomes "WHERE Name = 'O'" and the
>> "Malley'" excess string post-clause will trigger the syntax error at the DB
>> Engine level.
>> You MUST escape all apostrophes at the very basic level or, better, use
>> StoredProcedures with Parameters. Google up "SQL Injection" for (lotsa)
>> more info.
>> Try with "' OR 1 --" in the textbox data to see some unwanted effects
>> abused by database attackers...
>>
>> Regards,
>> zxMarce
>>
>> *On 29/12/17 07:42, Gianluigi wrote:*
>>
>> The question seems to be placed in the correct place [0]
>> Even SQL seems correct, maybe a question of apostrophe?
>> Dim sName As String
>> sName = TBXName.Text
>> sName = Replace(sName,"'","''")
>> $Query = ?SELECT * FROM Friends WHERE Name = '? & sName & ?'?
>> [0] https://lists.gambas-basic.org/pipermail/user/2017-December/
>> thread.html
>> Regards
>> Gianluigi
>>
>> *2017-12-29 11:18 GMT+01:00 Johny Provoost **<johny.provoost at skynet.be
>> <johny.provoost at skynet.be>>**:*
>>
>>> I always use
>>> $Query = ?SELECT * FROM Friends WHERE Name = ? & "\"" & TBXName.Text &
>>> "\""
>>> and use formname.TBXNamer.Text but don't know if that's the problem
>>> By the way, This maillist is changed to 'gambas-user at lists.sourceforge
>>> .net'.  You should use this one.
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> Johny
>>>
>>> * Op 29-12-17 om 04:43 schreef Doug Hutcheson:*
>>>
>>>> Hi. I'm a new user and I have misunderstood something.
>>>> I am trying to establish a connection to a PostgreSQL database.
>>>>  At http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/howto/database?ht=database-manager,
>>>> point 6, I read the following example of a query:
>>>>                 Dim $Query As String
>>>>                $Query = ?SELECT * FROM Friends WHERE Name = '? &
>>>> TBXName.Text & ?'?
>>>> However, no matter how I try, I always get a syntax error on the
>>>> assignment line. Obviously I am missing something - can you help?
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>>
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>>
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>>
>> *Johny Provoost*
>>
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>>
>> *mailto: **johny.provoost at gmail.com* <johny.provoost at gmail.com>
>>
>> *Website:* http://www.jepe.be or http://www.johnyprovoost.net
>>
>>
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From bugtracker at gambaswiki.org  Fri Dec 29 16:06:19 2017
From: bugtracker at gambaswiki.org (bugtracker at gambaswiki.org)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:06:19 GMT
Subject: [Gambas-user] [Gambas Bug Tracker] Bug #1220: error select case
 (format code)
Message-ID: <BUG1220@gambaswiki.org>

http://gambaswiki.org/bugtracker/edit?object=BUG.1220&from=L21haW4-

V?ctor PEREZ reported a new bug.

Summary
-------

error select case (format code)

Type             : Bug
Priority         : Low
Gambas version   : Unknown
Product          : Bugtracker


Description
-----------

Public Sub cbxBuscar_Enter()
  
  Select Case cbxBuscar.Index '25 dic 2017
    Case 0 'Todos
      cbxBuscar.Tooltip = "Buscar? en todos los libros de las Escrituras"
      
    Case 1 'Nuevo Testamento
      cbxBuscar.Tooltip = "<b>Buscar? en los siguientes libros:</b><br>" &
        "Mateo, Marcos, Lucas, Juan, Hechos, Romanos, 1 de Corintios, 2 de Corintios, G?latas, Efesios, Filipenses," &
        "Colosenses, 1 de Tesalonicenses, 2 de Tesalonicenses, 1 de Timoteo, 2 de Timoteo, Tito," &
        "Filem?n, Hebreos, Santiago, 1 de Pedro, 2 de Pedro, 1 de Juan, 2 de Juan, 3 de Juan, Judas y Apocalipsis."
      
      Case 2 'Antiguo Testamento
      cbxBuscar.Tooltip = "<b>Buscar? en:</b><br>" &
        "G?nesis, ?xodo, Lev?tico, N?meros, Deuteronomio, " &
        "Josu?, Jueces, Rut, 1 de Samuel, 2 de Samuel, 1 de Reyes, 2 de Reyes, 1 de Cr?nicas, 2 de Cr?nicas, " &
        "Esdras, Nehem?as, Ester, Job, Salmos, Proverbios, Eclesiast?s, Cantares, Isa?as, Jerem?as, Lamentaciones, " &
        "Ezequiel, Daniel, Oseas, Joel, Am?s, Abd?as, Jon?s, Miqueas, Nahum, " &
        "Habacuc, Sofonias, Hageo, Zacar?as y Malaqu?as."
      
      Case 3 'La tora
      cbxBuscar.Tooltip = "<b>Buscar? en los 5 primeros libros del antiguo Testamento:</b><br>" &
        "G?nesis, ?xodo, Lev?tico, N?meros y Deuteronomio."
      
      Case 5 'Profetas Mayores
      cbxBuscar.Tooltip = "<b>Buscar? en:</b><br>" &
        "Isa?as, Jerem?as, Ezequiel y Daniel.<br><b>(Antiguo Testamento)</b>" 
      
      Case 6 'Profetas Menores
      cbxBuscar.Tooltip = "<b>Buscar? en:</b><br>" &
        "Oseas, Joel, Am?s, Abd?as, Jon?s, Miqueas, Nahum, " &
        "Habacuc, Sofonias, Hageo, Zacar?as y Malaqu?as.<br><b>(Antiguo Testamento)</b>"
      
      Case 7 'Cartas de Pablo
      cbxBuscar.Tooltip = "<b>Buscar? en estos libros:</b>" &
        "<br>Romanos, 1 de Corintios, 2 de Corintios, G?latas, Efesios," &
        "Filipenses, Colosenses, 1 de Tesalonicenses, 2 de Tesalonicenses," &
        "1 de Timoteo, 2 de Timoteo, Tito y Filem?n." &
        "<br><b>(Nuevo Testamento)</b>"
      
      Case 8 'Los Evangelistas "Mateo, Marcos, Lucas, Juan"
      cbxBuscar.Tooltip = "<b>Buscar? en los libros:</b><br>Mateo, Marcos, Lucas y Juan.<br><b>(Nuevo Testamento)</b>"
      
    Case 9 'Libros historicos
      cbxBuscar.Tooltip = "<b>Buscar? en los siguientes libros:</b><br>" &
        "Josu?, Jueces, Rut, 1 de Samuel, 2 de Samuel,<br> 1 de Reyes, 2 de Reyes, 1 de Cr?nicas,<br> 2 de Cr?nicas, Esdras, Nehemias y Ester. " &
        "<br><b>(Antiguo Testamento)</b>" 
      
      Case Else
      cbxBuscar.Tooltip = "?"
  End Select
  
End


System information
------------------

Gambas=3.9.2
OperatingSystem=Linux
Kernel=3.19.0-32-generic
Architecture=x86
Distribution=Linux Mint 17.3 Rosa
Desktop=MATE
Theme=Gtk
Language=es_UY.UTF-8
Memory=1950M

[Libraries]
Cairo=libcairo.so.2.11301.0
Curl=libcurl.so.4.3.0
DBus=libdbus-1.so.3.7.6
GStreamer=libgstreamer-0.10.so.0.30.0
GStreamer=libgstreamer-1.0.so.0.204.0
GTK+2=libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.23
GTK+3=libgtk-3.so.0.1000.8
OpenGL=libGL.so.1.2.0
Poppler=libpoppler.so.44.0.0
QT4=libQtCore.so.4.8.6
QT5=libQt5Core.so.5.2.1
SDL=libSDL-1.2.so.0.11.4
SQLite=libsqlite3.so.0.8.6



From bugtracker at gambaswiki.org  Fri Dec 29 16:42:05 2017
From: bugtracker at gambaswiki.org (bugtracker at gambaswiki.org)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:42:05 GMT
Subject: [Gambas-user] [Gambas Bug Tracker] Bug #1220: error select case
 (format code)
In-Reply-To: <BUG1220@gambaswiki.org>
References: <BUG1220@gambaswiki.org>
Message-ID: <BUG1220:20171229164204838@gambaswiki.org>

http://gambaswiki.org/bugtracker/edit?object=BUG.1220&from=L21haW4-

Comment #1 by Gianluigi GRADASCHI:

I think you must use the Change event.

Regards
Gianluigi



From owlbrudder at gmail.com  Sun Dec 31 02:26:37 2017
From: owlbrudder at gmail.com (Doug Hutcheson)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 11:26:37 +1000
Subject: [Gambas-user] What is wrong with my query syntax?
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References: <1514519004.3262.102.camel@gmail.com>
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Hi everyone.
I solved that syntax error: it was due to some invisible character(s)
being brought across when I cut and pasted from the wiki. When I typed
the code by hand, the problem went away.
Many thanks for all your help.Doug
On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 14:16 +0100, Gianluigi wrote:
> What an idiot I am, miss the ";" final.
> To avoid mistakes I write the queries like that:
> 
>   sMySql = "SELECT *"
>   sMySql &= " FROM Friends"
>   sMySql &= " WHERE Name='" & sName & "'"
>   sMySql &= ";"
> 
> Regards
> Gianluigi
> 
> 2017-12-29 13:03 GMT+01:00 Gianluigi <bagonergi at gmail.com>:
> > AFAIK, it works only with SQLite it does not work with MySQL and
> > Postgres.
> > 
> > Regards
> > Gianluigi
> > 
> > 2017-12-29 12:35 GMT+01:00 Johny Provoost <johny.provoost at skynet.be
> > >:
> > >   
> > >     
> > >   
> > >   
> > >     Thats why I always use 
> > > 
> > >     
> > >      ?SELECT * FROM Friends WHERE Name =" & "\"" &
> > >       TBXName.Text & "\"" 
> > > 
> > >     
> > >     to avoid that.  In Belgium we got a lot of names with a ' in
> > > the
> > >       name.
> > > 
> > >     
> > >     
> > > 
> > >     Op 29-12-17 om 12:07 schreef ML:
> > > 
> > >     
> > >     
> > > >       
> > > >       Just a very stupid observation: The query is completed by
> > > > the
> > > >       contents of a textbox control (called TBXName) on the
> > > > form where
> > > >       it's supposed to be placed.
> > > > 
> > > >       If the syntax error comes from GAMBAS, this textbox may
> > > > not exist
> > > >       (didn't try actually, but a possibility nonetheless).
> > > > 
> > > >       
> > > > 
> > > >       On the other hand, if the error comes from the DB Engine
> > > >       (PostgreSQL in this case), then the query may be
> > > > malformed; maybe
> > > >       a single quote in the textbox data is screwing the query
> > > > up.
> > > > 
> > > >       For example, suppose the textbox has the name "O'Malley".
> > > > The
> > > >       query string would become the following:
> > > > 
> > > >       
> > > > 
> > > >         ?SELECT * FROM Friends WHERE Name = 'O'Malley'?
> > > > 
> > > >       
> > > > 
> > > >       As you can see, the WHERE clause becomes "WHERE Name =
> > > > 'O'" and
> > > >       the "Malley'" excess string post-clause will trigger the
> > > > syntax
> > > >       error at the DB Engine level.
> > > > 
> > > >       You MUST escape all apostrophes at the very basic level
> > > > or,
> > > >       better, use StoredProcedures with Parameters. Google up
> > > > "SQL
> > > >       Injection" for (lotsa) more info.
> > > > 
> > > >       Try with "' OR 1 --" in the textbox data to see some
> > > > unwanted
> > > >       effects abused by database attackers...
> > > > 
> > > >       
> > > > 
> > > >       Regards,
> > > > 
> > > >       zxMarce
> > > > 
> > > >       
> > > > 
> > > >       On 29/12/17 07:42, Gianluigi
> > > >           wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >       
> > > >       
> > > > >         The question seems to be placed in the correct
> > > > >           place [0]
> > > > > 
> > > > >           Even SQL seems correct, maybe a question of
> > > > > apostrophe?
> > > > > 
> > > > >           Dim sName As String
> > > > > 
> > > > >           sName = TBXName.Text
> > > > > 
> > > > >           sName = Replace(sName,"'","''")
> > > > > 
> > > > >           $Query = ?SELECT * FROM Friends WHERE Name = '? &
> > > > > sName
> > > > >           & ?'?
> > > > > 
> > > > >           [0] https://lists.gambas-basic.org/pipermail/user/2
> > > > > 017-December/thread.html
> > > > > 
> > > > >           Regards
> > > > > 
> > > > >           Gianluigi
> > > > > 
> > > > >         
> > > > >         
> > > > > 
> > > > >           2017-12-29 11:18 GMT+01:00 Johny
> > > > >               Provoost <johny.provoost at skynet.be>:
> > > > > 
> > > > >             
> > > > > > I always
> > > > > >               use
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >               $Query = ?SELECT * FROM Friends WHERE Name =
> > > > > > ? & "\""
> > > > > >               & TBXName.Text & "\""
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >               and use formname.TBXNamer.Text but don't know
> > > > > > if that's
> > > > > >               the problem
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >               By the way, This maillist is changed to 'gamb
> > > > > > as-user at lists.sourceforge.net'. 
> > > > > >               You should use this one.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >               Kind Regards,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >               Johny
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >               
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >                Op 29-12-17 om 04:43 schreef Doug Hutcheson:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >               
> > > > > > >  Hi.
> > > > > > >                 I'm a new user and I have misunderstood
> > > > > > > something.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >                 I am trying to establish a connection to
> > > > > > > a PostgreSQL
> > > > > > >                 database.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >                  At http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/howto/data
> > > > > > > base?ht=database-manager,
> > > > > > >                 point 6, I read the following example of
> > > > > > > a query:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >                                 Dim $Query As String
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >                                $Query = ?SELECT * FROM
> > > > > > > Friends WHERE
> > > > > > >                 Name = '? & TBXName.Text & ?'?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >                 However, no matter how I try, I always
> > > > > > > get a syntax
> > > > > > >                 error on the assignment line. Obviously I
> > > > > > > am missing
> > > > > > >                 something - can you help?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >                 Kind regards,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >                 Doug
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >               
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >             
> > > > > 
> > > > >           
> > > > >         
> > > > >       
> > > > 
> > > >       
> > > > 
> > > >       
> > > > 
> > > >       
> > > >       
> > > > 
> > > >       --------------------------------------------------
> > > > 
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> > > > 
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> > > > 
> > > >     
> > > 
> > >     
> > > 
> > >     -- 
> > > 
> > >       
> > >       
> > >       
> > >       
> > >       
> > >       
> > >       
> > >       
> > >       
> > > 
> > >       
> > >       
> > >       Vriendelijke
> > >             Groeten
> > >       Johny
> > >             Provoost
> > >       mailto:
> > >           johny.provoost at skynet.be
> > >       mailto:
> > >           johny.provoost at gmail.com
> > >       Website:
> > >           http://www.jepe.be
> > >             or http://www.johnyprovoost.net
> > >     
> > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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From owlbrudder at gmail.com  Sun Dec 31 02:44:24 2017
From: owlbrudder at gmail.com (Doug Hutcheson)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 11:44:24 +1000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Extracting fields from a Result
Message-ID: <1514684664.12546.82.camel@gmail.com>

Hi everyone.
I have successfully connected to my PostgreSQL database and the field
count in the Result from my query is correct, but all my attempts to
extract data from the fields have failed. I am cobbling together code
from the wiki and from other posts here, but I am still missing
something.
The table I am reading from has exactly one row and 35 fields. The
first field is named txtMasterDatabase.
My code declares a Field and a Result as follows:          Dim $Field
As ResultField          Dim $Result As Result
The query works correctly:           $Query = "Select * From
abpa.tblParameters"           $Result = $Con.Exec($Query)
The field count is correct - 35:           Message("Fields count = " &
$Result.Fields.Count)
Now I try to loop through the fields in the result:           For Each
$Field In $Result.Fields            Message($Field.Name)           Next
The problem occurs on the For Each line in that the Basic IDE displays
an error at this point:	Unknown field: txtMasterDatabase in
FRMStart:41
As I said above, the first field in the tuple is named
txtMasterDatabase, so Gambas is at least seeing it. Why is it telling
me the field is unknown?
Thanks for any help and Happy New Year,Doug
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From owlbrudder at gmail.com  Sun Dec 31 03:00:24 2017
From: owlbrudder at gmail.com (Doug Hutcheson)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 12:00:24 +1000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Extracting fields from a Result
In-Reply-To: <1514684664.12546.82.camel@gmail.com>
References: <1514684664.12546.82.camel@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1514685624.12546.84.camel@gmail.com>

Darn. Still getting used to the conventions. I should have said I am
running Gambas 3.10.0 on Fedora 28 Linux.

On Sun, 2017-12-31 at 11:44 +1000, Doug Hutcheson wrote:
> Hi everyone.
> I have successfully connected to my PostgreSQL database and the field
> count in the Result from my query is correct, but all my attempts to
> extract data from the fields have failed. I am cobbling together code
> from the wiki and from other posts here, but I am still missing
> something.
> The table I am reading from has exactly one row and 35 fields. The
> first field is named txtMasterDatabase.
> My code declares a Field and a Result as follows:          Dim $Field
> As ResultField          Dim $Result As Result
> The query works correctly:           $Query = "Select * From
> abpa.tblParameters"           $Result = $Con.Exec($Query)
> The field count is correct - 35:           Message("Fields count = "
> & $Result.Fields.Count)
> Now I try to loop through the fields in the result:           For
> Each $Field In
> $Result.Fields            Message($Field.Name)           Next
> The problem occurs on the For Each line in that the Basic IDE
> displays an error at this point:	Unknown field:
> txtMasterDatabase in FRMStart:41
> As I said above, the first field in the tuple is named
> txtMasterDatabase, so Gambas is at least seeing it. Why is it telling
> me the field is unknown?
> Thanks for any help and Happy New Year,Doug
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From owlbrudder at gmail.com  Sun Dec 31 07:26:01 2017
From: owlbrudder at gmail.com (Doug Hutcheson)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 16:26:01 +1000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Extracting fields from a Result
In-Reply-To: <1514685624.12546.84.camel@gmail.com>
References: <1514684664.12546.82.camel@gmail.com>
 <1514685624.12546.84.camel@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1514701561.12546.114.camel@gmail.com>

This just gets more interesting.
The For Each ... Next loop fails on the first line, as previously
described.
After some bashing and hacking, I found a simple loop works
fine:              For intLoop = 0 To MyResult.Fields.Count -
1                Message(MyResult.Fields[intLoop].Name & ": " &
MyResult[intLoop] & ": " & MyResult.Fields[intLoop].Length & ": " &
MyResult.Fields[intLoop].Type)              Next
Given a field named txtMasterDatabase, should the following work?	
	Message(MyResult!txtMasterDatabase)... because it throws
'Unknown field txtMasterDatabase ..."
Many thanks for help on this.
Kind regards,Doug
On Sun, 2017-12-31 at 12:00 +1000, Doug Hutcheson wrote:
> Darn. Still getting used to the conventions. I should have said I am
> running Gambas 3.10.0 on Fedora 28 Linux.
> On Sun, 2017-12-31 at 11:44 +1000, Doug Hutcheson wrote:
> > Hi everyone.
> > I have successfully connected to my PostgreSQL database and the
> > field count in the Result from my query is correct, but all my
> > attempts to extract data from the fields have failed. I am cobbling
> > together code from the wiki and from other posts here, but I am
> > still missing something.
> > The table I am reading from has exactly one row and 35 fields. The
> > first field is named txtMasterDatabase.
> > My code declares a Field and a Result as follows:          Dim
> > $Field As ResultField          Dim $Result As Result
> > The query works correctly:           $Query = "Select * From
> > abpa.tblParameters"           $Result = $Con.Exec($Query)
> > The field count is correct - 35:           Message("Fields count =
> > " & $Result.Fields.Count)
> > Now I try to loop through the fields in the result:           For
> > Each $Field In
> > $Result.Fields            Message($Field.Name)           Next
> > The problem occurs on the For Each line in that the Basic IDE
> > displays an error at this point:	Unknown field:
> > txtMasterDatabase in FRMStart:41
> > As I said above, the first field in the tuple is named
> > txtMasterDatabase, so Gambas is at least seeing it. Why is it
> > telling me the field is unknown?
> > Thanks for any help and Happy New Year,Doug
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From gambas.fr at gmail.com  Sun Dec 31 14:22:31 2017
From: gambas.fr at gmail.com (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 14:22:31 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Extracting fields from a Result
In-Reply-To: <1514701561.12546.114.camel@gmail.com>
References: <1514684664.12546.82.camel@gmail.com>
 <1514685624.12546.84.camel@gmail.com>
 <1514701561.12546.114.camel@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFkCsL5NLDMXW=R7K4WZM0NO-wEB4-cvTQr0C0rO-4t39q0+8w@mail.gmail.com>

It seem the field txtMasterDatabase does'nt exist.

I think i need the whole source hto understand the problem




2017-12-31 7:26 GMT+01:00 Doug Hutcheson <owlbrudder at gmail.com>:
> This just gets more interesting.
>
> The For Each ... Next loop fails on the first line, as previously described.
>
> After some bashing and hacking, I found a simple loop works fine:
>               For intLoop = 0 To MyResult.Fields.Count - 1
>                 Message(MyResult.Fields[intLoop].Name & ": " &
> MyResult[intLoop] & ": " & MyResult.Fields[intLoop].Length & ": " &
> MyResult.Fields[intLoop].Type)
>               Next
>
> Given a field named txtMasterDatabase, should the following work?
> Message(MyResult!txtMasterDatabase)
> ... because it throws 'Unknown field txtMasterDatabase ..."
>
> Many thanks for help on this.
>
> Kind regards,
> Doug
>
> On Sun, 2017-12-31 at 12:00 +1000, Doug Hutcheson wrote:
>
> Darn. Still getting used to the conventions. I should have said I am running
> Gambas 3.10.0 on Fedora 28 Linux.
>
> On Sun, 2017-12-31 at 11:44 +1000, Doug Hutcheson wrote:
>
> Hi everyone.
>
> I have successfully connected to my PostgreSQL database and the field count
> in the Result from my query is correct, but all my attempts to extract data
> from the fields have failed. I am cobbling together code from the wiki and
> from other posts here, but I am still missing something.
>
> The table I am reading from has exactly one row and 35 fields. The first
> field is named txtMasterDatabase.
>
> My code declares a Field and a Result as follows:
>           Dim $Field As ResultField
>           Dim $Result As Result
>
> The query works correctly:
>            $Query = "Select * From abpa.tblParameters"
>            $Result = $Con.Exec($Query)
>
> The field count is correct - 35:
>            Message("Fields count = " & $Result.Fields.Count)
>
> Now I try to loop through the fields in the result:
>            For Each $Field In $Result.Fields
>             Message($Field.Name)
>            Next
>
> The problem occurs on the For Each line in that the Basic IDE displays an
> error at this point:
> Unknown field: txtMasterDatabase in FRMStart:41
>
> As I said above, the first field in the tuple is named txtMasterDatabase, so
> Gambas is at least seeing it. Why is it telling me the field is unknown?
>
> Thanks for any help and Happy New Year,
> Doug
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
>
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> https://lists.gambas-basic.org/listinfo/user
>
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-- 
Fabien Bodard

From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Sun Dec 31 18:49:43 2017
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 12:49:43 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] Extracting fields from a Result
In-Reply-To: <1514701561.12546.114.camel@gmail.com>
References: <1514684664.12546.82.camel@gmail.com>
 <1514685624.12546.84.camel@gmail.com> <1514701561.12546.114.camel@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8c776eb0-44f9-bf27-ddbf-a671ea9774d2@gmail.com>

Yes, MyResult!txtMasterDatabase should work. (Did you copy/paste that name, or type it in directly?) The For Each loop should
work as well.

I tried a simple command-line application on a MySQL data table with just one row. All the application does is, first connect to
the database, and then 'MyResult = hConn.Exec("select * from users")'

A For Each loop prints the field names just fine. And, 'Print MyResult!id' displays the correct value.

Perhaps there is a bug in the Gambas PostgreSQL driver. Can you test on a MySQL table to see if that works for you?


-- 
Lee


On 12/31/2017 01:26 AM, Doug Hutcheson wrote:
> This just gets more interesting.
> 
> The For Each ... Next loop fails on the first line, as previously described.
> 
> After some bashing and hacking, I found a simple loop works fine:
> ??????????????For intLoop = 0 To MyResult.Fields.Count - 1
> ????????????????Message(MyResult.Fields[intLoop].Name & ": " & MyResult[intLoop] & ": " & MyResult.Fields[intLoop].Length & ": "
> & MyResult.Fields[intLoop].Type)
> ??????????????Next
> 
> Given a field named txtMasterDatabase, should the following work?
> Message(MyResult!txtMasterDatabase)
> ... because it throws 'Unknown field txtMasterDatabase ..."
> 
> Many thanks for help on this.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Doug
> 
> On Sun, 2017-12-31 at 12:00 +1000, Doug Hutcheson wrote:
>> Darn. Still getting used to the conventions. I should have said I am running Gambas 3.10.0 on Fedora 28 Linux.
>>
>> On Sun, 2017-12-31 at 11:44 +1000, Doug Hutcheson wrote:
>>> Hi everyone.
>>>
>>> I have successfully connected to my PostgreSQL database and the field count in the Result from my query is correct, but all
>>> my attempts to extract data from the fields have failed. I am cobbling together code from the wiki and from other posts here,
>>> but I am still missing something.
>>>
>>> The table I am reading from has exactly one row and 35 fields. The first field is named txtMasterDatabase.
>>>
>>> My code declares a Field and a Result as follows:
>>> ??????????Dim $Field As ResultField
>>> ??????????Dim $Result As Result
>>>
>>> The query works correctly:
>>> ???????????$Query = "Select * From abpa.tblParameters"
>>> ???????????$Result = $Con.Exec($Query)
>>>
>>> The field count is correct - 35:
>>> ???????????Message("Fields count = " & $Result.Fields.Count)
>>>
>>> Now I try to loop through the fields in the result:
>>> ???????????For Each $Field In $Result.Fields
>>> ????????????Message($Field.Name)
>>> ???????????Next
>>>
>>> The problem occurs on the For Each line in that the Basic IDE displays an error at this point:
>>> Unknown field: txtMasterDatabase in FRMStart:41
>>>
>>> As I said above, the first field in the tuple is named txtMasterDatabase, so Gambas is at least seeing it. Why is it telling
>>> me the field is unknown?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help and Happy New Year,
>>> Doug
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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From mckaygerhard at gmail.com  Sun Dec 31 20:03:46 2017
From: mckaygerhard at gmail.com (PICCORO McKAY Lenz)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 15:03:46 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-user] Extracting fields from a Result
In-Reply-To: <8c776eb0-44f9-bf27-ddbf-a671ea9774d2@gmail.com>
References: <1514684664.12546.82.camel@gmail.com>
 <1514685624.12546.84.camel@gmail.com>
 <1514701561.12546.114.camel@gmail.com>
 <8c776eb0-44f9-bf27-ddbf-a671ea9774d2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALci+FTF15myn8p7_RRSW7qrZZPsg4kxY2Bc_07QSRXANpsxKQ@mail.gmail.com>

its a bug in the rest of drivers, i confirmed some time ago... due "too
much mysql-like" development, its like ms-like only tests and assume all
are done..

the odbc module also has this if a sybase table with utf8 like proxy tables
made are in use

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2017-12-31 13:49 GMT-04:00 T Lee Davidson <t.lee.davidson at gmail.com>:

> Yes, MyResult!txtMasterDatabase should work. (Did you copy/paste that
> name, or type it in directly?) The For Each loop should
> work as well.
>
> I tried a simple command-line application on a MySQL data table with just
> one row. All the application does is, first connect to
> the database, and then 'MyResult = hConn.Exec("select * from users")'
>
> A For Each loop prints the field names just fine. And, 'Print MyResult!id'
> displays the correct value.
>
> Perhaps there is a bug in the Gambas PostgreSQL driver. Can you test on a
> MySQL table to see if that works for you?
>
>
> --
> Lee
>
>
> On 12/31/2017 01:26 AM, Doug Hutcheson wrote:
> > This just gets more interesting.
> >
> > The For Each ... Next loop fails on the first line, as previously
> described.
> >
> > After some bashing and hacking, I found a simple loop works fine:
> >               For intLoop = 0 To MyResult.Fields.Count - 1
> >                 Message(MyResult.Fields[intLoop].Name & ": " &
> MyResult[intLoop] & ": " & MyResult.Fields[intLoop].Length & ": "
> > & MyResult.Fields[intLoop].Type)
> >               Next
> >
> > Given a field named txtMasterDatabase, should the following work?
> > Message(MyResult!txtMasterDatabase)
> > ... because it throws 'Unknown field txtMasterDatabase ..."
> >
> > Many thanks for help on this.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Doug
> >
> > On Sun, 2017-12-31 at 12:00 +1000, Doug Hutcheson wrote:
> >> Darn. Still getting used to the conventions. I should have said I am
> running Gambas 3.10.0 on Fedora 28 Linux.
> >>
> >> On Sun, 2017-12-31 at 11:44 +1000, Doug Hutcheson wrote:
> >>> Hi everyone.
> >>>
> >>> I have successfully connected to my PostgreSQL database and the field
> count in the Result from my query is correct, but all
> >>> my attempts to extract data from the fields have failed. I am cobbling
> together code from the wiki and from other posts here,
> >>> but I am still missing something.
> >>>
> >>> The table I am reading from has exactly one row and 35 fields. The
> first field is named txtMasterDatabase.
> >>>
> >>> My code declares a Field and a Result as follows:
> >>>           Dim $Field As ResultField
> >>>           Dim $Result As Result
> >>>
> >>> The query works correctly:
> >>>            $Query = "Select * From abpa.tblParameters"
> >>>            $Result = $Con.Exec($Query)
> >>>
> >>> The field count is correct - 35:
> >>>            Message("Fields count = " & $Result.Fields.Count)
> >>>
> >>> Now I try to loop through the fields in the result:
> >>>            For Each $Field In $Result.Fields
> >>>             Message($Field.Name)
> >>>            Next
> >>>
> >>> The problem occurs on the For Each line in that the Basic IDE displays
> an error at this point:
> >>> Unknown field: txtMasterDatabase in FRMStart:41
> >>>
> >>> As I said above, the first field in the tuple is named
> txtMasterDatabase, so Gambas is at least seeing it. Why is it telling
> >>> me the field is unknown?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for any help and Happy New Year,
> >>> Doug
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> >
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> >
>
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From taboege at gmail.com  Sun Dec 31 20:55:50 2017
From: taboege at gmail.com (Tobias Boege)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 20:55:50 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] What is wrong with my query syntax?
In-Reply-To: <11352897-4c74-cd85-9f77-3ddd45ea4412@gmail.com>
References: <1514519004.3262.102.camel@gmail.com>
 <c85b0a5d-7aaa-65e4-40f9-fd016c634b14@skynet.be>
 <CAJ2rqFYEH2x_UtLLO0ypHezDi-X6ajgFBdHEGCrzMoGmTQHZ1g@mail.gmail.com>
 <11352897-4c74-cd85-9f77-3ddd45ea4412@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20171231195550.GA21012@highrise.localdomain>

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017, ML wrote:
> Just a very stupid observation: The query is completed by the contents
> of a textbox control (called TBXName) on the form where it's supposed to
> be placed.
> If the syntax error comes from GAMBAS, this textbox may not exist
> (didn't try actually, but a possibility nonetheless).
> 
> On the other hand, if the error comes from the DB Engine (PostgreSQL in
> this case), then the query may be malformed; maybe a single quote in the
> textbox data is screwing the query up.
> For example, suppose the textbox has the name "O'Malley". The query
> string would become the following:
> 
> ? ?SELECT * FROM Friends WHERE Name = 'O'Malley'?
> 
> As you can see, the WHERE clause becomes "WHERE Name = 'O'" and the
> "Malley'" excess string post-clause will trigger the syntax error at the
> DB Engine level.
> You MUST escape all apostrophes at the very basic level or, better, use
> StoredProcedures with Parameters. Google up "SQL Injection" for (lotsa)
> more info.
> Try with "' OR 1 --" in the textbox data to see some unwanted effects
> abused by database attackers...
> 

Doug, you should listen to this advice about SQL injection. Code which
puts unchecked user input into an SQL query string is easily exploited
and gives the perfect security hole. A user can make the program crash,
bypass filters in the rest of your query hence leak data, delete all
the tables or add unwanted data -- everything that SQL can do, provided
the executing user has the required privileges.

Gambas can quote SQL queries for you:

  hConn.Exec("SELECT * FROM Friends WHERE Name = &1", "O'Malley")

Better yet, use hConn.Find() if you want to do SELECT queries, like so:

  hConn.Find("Friends", "Name = &1", "O'Malley")

If you need complex queries and have Gambas >= 3.8, you should use the
SQLRequest class:

  Dim hSql As New SqlRequest(hConn)
  Dim sQuery As String

  sQuery = hSql.Select().From("Friends").Where("Name = &1", "O'Malley").And().Where("Age >= &1", 32).OrderBy("Age DESC").Get()
  hConn.Exec(sQuery)

SQLRequest knows how to build a proper SQL sentence for the underlying
database driver. Note how your Gambas code, if it uses Find() or SQLRequest,
is free of SQL strings of a specific dialect. You can use the same Gambas
code with MySQL, PostgreSQL, SQLite3, etc. (provided that the drivers work
correctly). This is of course desirable: if you want to run unit tests,
SQLite3 might be a good choice, but you might want to use Postgres for
production and someone else might prefer MySQL.

Regards,
Tobi

PS: when did this become a top-posting mailing list?

-- 
"There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk

From taboege at gmail.com  Sun Dec 31 21:16:44 2017
From: taboege at gmail.com (Tobias Boege)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 21:16:44 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-user] Extracting fields from a Result
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 <1514685624.12546.84.camel@gmail.com>
 <1514701561.12546.114.camel@gmail.com>
 <8c776eb0-44f9-bf27-ddbf-a671ea9774d2@gmail.com>
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On Sun, 31 Dec 2017, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
> its a bug in the rest of drivers, i confirmed some time ago... due "too
> much mysql-like" development, its like ms-like only tests and assume all
> are done..
> 

Are you nuts? A nonsensical error from the postgres driver is not a bug
in all the other drivers, just because you suspect us to conspire with
MySQL and Microsoft.

And I, for one, think it would be a great step forward already if Gambas
got a comprehensive test suite for everything that is in the source tree.

On Sun, 31 Dec 2017, T Lee Davidson wrote:
> Yes, MyResult!txtMasterDatabase should work. (Did you copy/paste that name, or type it in directly?) The For Each loop should
> work as well.
> 
> I tried a simple command-line application on a MySQL data table with just one row. All the application does is, first connect to
> the database, and then 'MyResult = hConn.Exec("select * from users")'
> 
> A For Each loop prints the field names just fine. And, 'Print MyResult!id' displays the correct value.
> 
> Perhaps there is a bug in the Gambas PostgreSQL driver. Can you test on a MySQL table to see if that works for you?
> 

I agree that the original code should have worked. See the attached
script which uses an in-memory SQLite3 database to demonstrate that
it works with another driver.

A (minimal!) project and database dump, just enough to reproduce the
behaviour, would be helpful.

Regards,
Tobi

-- 
"There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk
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#!/usr/bin/env gbs3

Use "gb.db.sqlite3"

Public Sub Main()
  Dim hConn As New Connection

  ' Connect to a temporary in-memory database
  hConn.Type = "sqlite3"
  hConn.Name = Null
  hConn.Open()

  ' Create test table
  With hConn.Tables.Add("test")
    .Fields.Add("txtMasterDatabase", db.String)
    .Fields.Add("numRandom", db.Integer)
    .Update()
  End With

  ' Add some data
  With hConn.Create("test")
    !txtMasterDatabase = "abc"
    !numRandom = Rand(0, 100)
    .Update
  End With
  With hConn.Create("test")
    !txtMasterDatabase = "xyz"
    !numRandom = Rand(100, 200)
    .Update
  End With

  DoQuery(hConn)
End

Private Sub DoQuery(hConn As Connection)
  Dim hRes As Result
  Dim hField As ResultField

  ' XXX: Better use Connection.Find(), or the SQLRequest class for
  ' more complex queries. They keep your Gambas code independent of
  ' a choice of DBMS.
  hRes = hConn.Exec("SELECT * FROM test")

  ' Result.Fields contains objects representing the fields present
  ' in the result, from a table schema point of view.
  Print "Fields:"
  For Each hField In hRes.Fields
    Print Space$(2); hField.Name
  Next
  Print

  ' The actual result data is held by the Result object itself.
  Print "Values:"
  For Each hRes
    Print Space$(2); hRes!txtMasterDatabase, hRes!numRandom
  Next
End

From t.lee.davidson at gmail.com  Sun Dec 31 22:23:56 2017
From: t.lee.davidson at gmail.com (T Lee Davidson)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 16:23:56 -0500
Subject: [Gambas-user] Extracting fields from a Result
In-Reply-To: <20171231201643.GB21012@highrise.localdomain>
References: <1514684664.12546.82.camel@gmail.com>
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On 12/31/2017 03:16 PM, Tobias Boege wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Dec 2017, T Lee Davidson wrote:
>> Yes, MyResult!txtMasterDatabase should work. (Did you copy/paste that name, or type it in directly?) The For Each loop should
>> work as well.
>>
>> I tried a simple command-line application on a MySQL data table with just one row. All the application does is, first connect to
>> the database, and then 'MyResult = hConn.Exec("select * from users")'
>>
>> A For Each loop prints the field names just fine. And, 'Print MyResult!id' displays the correct value.
>>
>> Perhaps there is a bug in the Gambas PostgreSQL driver. Can you test on a MySQL table to see if that works for you?
>>
> I agree that the original code should have worked. See the attached
> script which uses an in-memory SQLite3 database to demonstrate that
> it works with another driver.
> 
> A (minimal!) project and database dump, just enough to reproduce the
> behaviour, would be helpful.
> 
> Regards,
> Tobi

I installed a PostgreSQL server. PostgreSQL does not appear at first glance to be as easy to work with as MySQL.

After finally figuring out how to configure and use it, I was able to run a simple command-line application to successfully
print the field names. (Interestingly enough, even without the gb.db.postgresql database driver component enabled! Beno?t?)

It does work as you expect it should, Doug.

You will find my code and the output below.


-- 
Lee


P.S.

On 12/31/2017 02:55 PM, Tobias Boege wrote:
> PS: when did this become a top-posting mailing list?

I've never known it to be either a top-posting or a bottom-posting list. People seem to post as they prefer.

I prefer top-posting because I dislike having to scroll through quote after quote after quote. It would be okay, I guess, if
people would trim quotes that do not add to the context. But, that doesn't always happen.

Beno?t prefers bottom-posting, and apparently so do you. When those who prefer bottom-posting do so, I follow along in like manner.


P.P.S.
[code]
' Gambas module file

Public Sub Main()

  Dim hConn As New Connection
  Dim rField As ResultField
  Dim MyResult As Result

  hConn.Type = "postgresql"       ' Type of connection
  hConn.Host = "localhost"   ' Name of the server
  hConn.Login = "postgres"       ' User's name for the connection
  hConn.Port = "5432"        ' Port to use in the connection, usually 3306
  hConn.Name = "postgres"      ' Name of the database we want to use
  hConn.Password = "mypgpass" ' User's password
  hConn.Open()               ' Open the connection
  If Error Then
    Print "OUCH!!"
  Else
    Print "Connected."
  Endif

  MyResult = hConn.Exec("select * from users")

  Debug MyResult.Fields.Count
  Debug MyResult!id
  For Each rField In MyResult.Fields
    Print rField.Name
  Next

End
[/code]

[output]
Connected.
Main.Main.24: 3
Main.Main.25: 1
id
password
email
[/output]

From owlbrudder at gmail.com  Sun Dec 31 23:56:36 2017
From: owlbrudder at gmail.com (Doug Hutcheson)
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2018 08:56:36 +1000
Subject: [Gambas-user] Extracting fields from a Result
In-Reply-To: <8c776eb0-44f9-bf27-ddbf-a671ea9774d2@gmail.com>
References: <1514684664.12546.82.camel@gmail.com>
 <1514685624.12546.84.camel@gmail.com>
 <1514701561.12546.114.camel@gmail.com>
 <8c776eb0-44f9-bf27-ddbf-a671ea9774d2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1514760996.12546.131.camel@gmail.com>

Good idea Lee - I will fire up MySql on my machine and try a similar
approach.

Using PostgreSQL, the For loop using a loop index works perfectly,
showing the field names and the data, but the For Each loop fails on
the 'For Each ... ' line.

I will get back to the list about MySql.

Doug

On Sun, 2017-12-31 at 12:49 -0500, T Lee Davidson wrote:
> Yes, MyResult!txtMasterDatabase should work. (Did you copy/paste that name, or type it in directly?) The For Each loop should
> work as well.
> 
> I tried a simple command-line application on a MySQL data table with just one row. All the application does is, first connect to
> the database, and then 'MyResult = hConn.Exec("select * from users")'
> 
> A For Each loop prints the field names just fine. And, 'Print MyResult!id' displays the correct value.
> 
> Perhaps there is a bug in the Gambas PostgreSQL driver. Can you test on a MySQL table to see if that works for you?
> 
> 
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