[Gambas-user] gambas web how to deploy (under construction) but minimal info ready

Sun Apr 2 01:32:05 CEST 2017

tobi, please u can made corrections or whatever, i not a english
speaker, and a web contribution guie its need for MANY users...
Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

2017-04-01 18:22 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege <taboege at ...626...>:
> On Sat, 01 Apr 2017, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
>> continued with the how to and ported to gambas wiki now:
>>
>> http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/howto/getstartedwebgambas
>>
>> with the basic to deploay the app cgi inside the webserver as per user or
>> globally, also minimal knowledge and requirements
>>
>> the article was updates too:
>> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com/2017/03/gambas-como-
>> publicar-web-how-to-deploy.html
>>
>
> To be frank, I don't know what to think of this entry in the wiki. Please
> believe me that new content is always great to have and your effort is
> appreciated, so that I can focus on the things I dislike in this mail with
> a clean conscience.
>
> Naturally, the first point is the spelling. If it wasn't for the spelling
> I wouldn't have bothered to write a mail, but since it has surpassed my
> inhibition threshold, let me also comment on the contents further below.
>
> I strongly suggest you find yourself a volunteer to go over the article
> and produce an actual English text. There are literally as many errors as
> there are lines in the document, maybe more. Of course, I'm not the wiki
> police and I won't dare to delete your article, but, honestly, I want to.
> The whole presentation is a little embarrassing, to the point where I have
> trouble saying "it's better than nothing", averaged over all aspects of
> the document (+ the information, - the presentation).
>
> There are also questionable lines like
>
>> due unfortunatelly ide when runs make a own embebed web erver
>
> Why is that unfortunate? Is gb.httpd a bother and should be removed? This
> sounds either like your opinion or a filler word, and IMHO it should be
> left out in both cases. The part before this reads
>
>> also note that test the webpage inside the ide its not same as called from url browser,
>
> As a matter of fact, you use the same web (url?) browser to access and
> view the output of your project, regardless of whether you run it from the
> IDE or from a proper web server. You seem to be targeting gb.httpd but how
> is it not the same? I mean, yes, I think I've seen some differences in the
> setting of CGI variables across default configurations of web servers, but
> the reader of your article would probably like an example of what you're
> getting at here, because the web browser handles both types of web servers
> the same.
>
> Then I don't get why you discriminate between Gambas scripts and compiled
> Gambas projects. Sure: one is compiled and the other isn't, but both are
> CGI scripts with a shebang, so what's the point? As CGI scripts they are
> not more different than they are as Gambas executables.
>
> There are other things I personally disagree with, like the scope of your
> document:
>
>> second Need understand REALLY the concepts of request Request and response Response
>
> Why is this an "Installation requirement"?
>
>> As general furter info high end production environments must configure as a duple
>> of a server frontend that provides a proxy reverse to the real cgi webserver with
>> the gambas3 cgi program.
>
>> the server GCI standars values, those are very important to understant for high level
>> production webpages.
>
> You originally wanted to write a HowTo for using Gambas CGI on a real web
> server, not about high-level production development.
>
> If I were to start writing such an article, I would make a clear cut between
>
>   (1) Installing Gambas
>       Might as well include a small section about this. I installed Gambas
>       from sources on my CentOS server. Since that naturally goes without
>       GUI, produces lots of missing component warnings and all that, it
>       might be the newbie-friendly way to talk about these things. IIRC I
>       even needed to patch the gb.db.mysql/configure.ac because /usr/lib
>       isn't symlinked to /usr/lib64 on my system, so the configure script
>       failed to find some libraries. Chances are people want to use a
>       fairly recent Gambas version, too, to get new features and fixes in
>       the gb.web.form component, so I think installing Gambas is a relevant
>       topic here.
>
>   (2) Essentials of Gambas CGI programming
>       The relevant components are gb.web and gb.web.form. Choosing a
>       "web application" in the IDE project creation dialog will only turn
>       on gb.web (and gb.util.web). I would write a small application that
>       uses some gb.web classes: parses Request.Path (preferably without
>       producing a directory traversal vulnerability) and uses the Response
>       and Session classes in a non-trivial way -- all this without going
>       into much detail on the HTTP protocol, CGI variables, database
>       connectivity and what else a serious application may require. This is
>       all stuff the user will learn on the side and has no reason to be in
>       the Gambas wiki. I would probably not more than mention Gambas
>       WebPages because I never used them. At the end of this section, the
>       reader would have seen the sources of a Gambas CGI application and
>       knows he can use gb.httpd to debug his own code.
>
>   (3) Installing and configuring the web server
>       Your instructions could have been much clearer. For starters, I would
>       replace the table with subsections in the document, dealing with apache
>       and lighttpd separately, linking to relevant documentation, give the
>       reader an idea where the configuration files could be located on their
>       distro, etc.. This might easily be the most important part of the
>       article for most people which are already familiar with Gambas. Don't
>       just squeeze all the stuff into a table without any discussion at all.
>
> Again, I'm sorry if some parts come off as too direct. It's already past bed
> time here.
>
> Regards,
> Tobi
>
> --
> "There's an old saying: Don't change anything... ever!" -- Mr. Monk
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