[Gambas-user] Sidepanel handles

[Adrien Prokopowicz]

Le mardi 29 mai 2012 22:42:13 Bruce a écrit :
> On Mon, 2012-05-28 at 19:35 +0200, Benoît Minisini wrote:
> > You find the expand handles usable, but not the closing ones. But AFAIK,
> > there are the same size.
> 
> Yes, I can now measure that they are the same sizes.  I can also find
> the expand handles as long as I know where to look.
> 
> > Can you provide me some screenshots and show me exactly what is wrong
> > with that for you?
> 
> I haven't been able to get a decent example of the difficulty in
> grabbing them.  But today I got two complaints, one from one of my
> developers who couldn't get the project tree back after she dragged the
> h-split all the way to the left and another from a client who wanted to
> know why the (normally hidden) sidebar had been removed from the app.
> 
> The second is probably more relevant, when the sidebar is closed there
> is no visual clue that it exists, unless you stumble over the handle
> area and recognize it for what it is.
> 
> Benoît, what I'm trying to say is, the 5 to 10 pixels for the sidebar
> handles weren't really that much of a cost when considered against the
> beauty of the control.  I have looked at every Qt app (and quite a few
> others) on my system and compared to the way similar features are
> implemented using splits, the gambas sidepanel is a beauty.  pcmanfm,
> evolution, etc etc, all use a variants of
> a) you can't shrink a visible side panel below a certain minimum
> b) or if you do shrink it to nothing, then you have to find some obscure
> menu or config to make it visible again.
> c) "snapping" h-splits, for example vlc probably comes closest to gambas
> sidebars in the way it accelerates the shrinking/expansion of the
> sidebar under a certain width.
> But of all those using the h-split in the a) and c) groups they all
> leave a reasonable sized visual hint that something is there.
> 
> We use sidebars in lot's of apps.  I have included a couple of shots of
> one even though they really don't highlight the above.
> 
> In short the visual clue is really important.  I could go and replace
> the sidebars in everything with h/v splits but that would be such a
> waste.
> 
> Could you please, at least, consider making the invisibility and option
> on the control.
> 
> best regards
> Bruce

Hi,

I find the new thin style nice, it makes the IDE lighter, but I agree that it 
is very difficult to hide/show them now.

I think that, when the SidePanel is shown, it should show the hide buttons 
when the mouse is over the whole handle, not only on the sides (it is not 
obvious at all when you don't know it), and maybe set a gray background to 
them (i find we can't see them very well on white background).

And when the SidePanel is hidden, keep a 5~10px width and the buttons always 
visible, like it was before, because currently it is very very hard to click 
on it (and even more if you have an edge-screen action :-) ).

Regards,
Adrien.
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