From bogus@does.not.exist.com Thu Oct 26 18:16:52 2017 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 16:16:52 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID:
I had several things in mind (example, getting system data)
Seems most projects could be started read only, values only
(the component simply offers read only properties to the app)

Writing properties and various callbacks could then be added
Depending on the needs of the particular component involved
Is the example compilable as is, and what all is needed for that?

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Using Lindows

--------------010505030805010103070709-- From bogus@does.not.exist.com Thu Oct 26 18:16:52 2017 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 16:16:52 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: 'Voorgrond naar achtergrond' is what I belive is the meaning here(deepnes). 'Voor- naar achter-grond' is the right shorten form for good Dutch or 'Voor naar achtergrond' as relaxed but improper way 'Naar achtergrond' is the one I chose, in English 'To background' The point is I do not know if it is a button, or menu entry and the space it has. It is in the FForm.class file and I can't open it if the translate= =20 form is open to look in what context it is used. See following interview. from interview with Rinse de Vries (http://www.kde.nl/people/rinse.html) [interview] - What are the problems you encounter while translating? There are 3 issues I have to deal with:=20 1) Should the string be translated or not - The Dutch language is lending a= lot of foreign=20 computer words. If we translate too much English terms, we could scare aw= ay the advanced=20 users, but if we translate too little computer terms, the newbe would not= understand them.=20 2) In which context is the message used- some messages can be translated in= 5 ways,=20 depending on its context. To deal with this, I try to determine the conte= xt by=20 reading the other messages around it, or by checking the German translati= on.=20 3) Conflicting accelerators. - this is the hardest one, it is not easy to a= void conflicts=20 between accelerators. Most of the time I can solve this by reading surrou= nding messages,=20 but sometimes the messages don't look related in the po-file, while in th= e real world,=20 they are used in the same menu/dialog box...=20 [/interview] He is exactly telling the problems I find during the translating job ATM. He give a hint that grouping of the parts to translate that are in the same= file in this case will help for the translating and accelerators keys. I have written an email to Fabrice Mous who has done this job in the past to get info if he still do this or give up and where to find appropriate he= lp. I give up to get it working. My last try was as follows: Start new shell and type RC_LANG=3Dnl_NL made a clean directory with the 0.99RC1 unpacked no changes from me , just plain as the file is. made a script as follows ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` #!/bin/sh RC_ALL=3Dnl_NL RC_LANG=3Dnl_NL LC_LANG=3Dnl_NL LC_ALL=3Dnl_NL LC_MESSAGES=3Dnl_NL LC_CTYPE=3Dnl_NL export RC_ALL export RC_LANG export LC_LANG export LC_ALL export LC_MESSAGES export LC_CTYPE #make clean #./reconf ./configure make make install /opt/gambas/gambas # end script ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ env | grep LANG tell me RC_LANG=3Dnl_NL Did run the script. gambas is called from the script to and should get nl_NL Gambas is telling me system.language=3Den_US I get also with verify in the translate form 'Translated string symbols do not match untranslated string ones.' No idea what that means, no hint for the first one that does not match to take care off. Please where and when is the IDE told to run in the language set and by=20 what variable!!!!=20 If I have to send in the po file then I have to wait to the next=20 release to see it is done the right way.=20 I need simple direct preview to prevent that loss of time else=20 I'm afraid it will be gambas version 2.99a till is is correct :( Ron From bogus@does.not.exist.com Thu Oct 26 18:16:52 2017 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 16:16:52 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Str$ String = Str$ ( Expression ) Converts an expression into its printable string representation... From bogus@does.not.exist.com Thu Oct 26 18:16:52 2017 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 16:16:52 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: stupid to me, icm the form can be any widget or simular ncurses=20 construction to give a widget idea of it. Also it make nosense the have a 'gb.form.x11.gtk' without gb.button.x11.gtk or gb.button.x11.qt, is it ? The 'gb.qt/gtk' in fact is 'gb.x11.qt/gtk' or 'gb.ncurses' and gb.x11.qt/gtk. or gb.ncurses. This results in=20 'gb..'=20 where=20 '' is 'x11.qt', 'win.qt', 'x11.gtk' or 'ncurses' and=20 '' is 'form', 'button' or 'listbox'. The gtk component Daniel is making is already gb.x11.gtk. because it is in real life a x11.gtk component. Same for the gb.qt component. If there must be a split in the code for a form it should be a split between the x11.qt and the qt.form part in such way that the binding between these is universal and=20 gb..form gb..form can be changed to gb..form gb..form gb..form gb..form gb..form gb..form=20 and from your list the gb.form.fltk gb..form=20 _-interface>. And that is in fact almost the current situation and >We must make a gb.form component that will be parent of gb.form.qt and > gb.form.gtk. is in my view a wrong statement. It works opposite. |=20 | How about having the gui compenent to use be specified on the command lin= e=20 | or as an env. var, instead of in the project file? |=20 | like GAMBAS_USE_GUI=3Dgb.gtk or something. |=20 |=20 And yes here you can tell to use x11.qt, x11.qt, directfb or ncurses. This make more sense to me, make the program code in x11.qt and run=20 simple with x11.gtk or win.wx based system. Note: By looking in the proposal, I was had some strange feeling about it. I tried to forsee the impact it could have in the wx, gtk and win case and found the first problem with the widgets.=20=20 Instead 1 component with a subclass for the widgets every widget was also divided in at least 2 subclasses for qt and gtk. The hierarchy gb.qt.widget to gb.widget and gb.widget.qt/gtk/wx/... does not look clearer to me. The way it works now with using gb.qt or gb.gtk it is. Using gb.ncurses, that will be missing some of the widgets from gb.qt, shows nice in the toolbox, I don't belive your proposal will do the same as easy it works now. This is my personal view, I did like the brainstorm about it and share my conclusion. Sorry if it is boring and to long. BTW, nice job to make it working with cygwin. Ron From bogus@does.not.exist.com Thu Oct 26 18:16:52 2017 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 16:16:52 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: the Control collection in FForm is getting populated with NULLs=20 instead of CControls for some control types. I assume that=20 there's an error somewhere that's being hidden by a TRY or CATCH=20 with no warning, but I haven't found it yet. (I tried globally=20 commenting out the CATCH command across the entire project....=20 that didn't work so well.... :) ) Diffing 1.9.2 against 1.0.2=20 (eliminating the .lang subdirectory) gives about 600 lines of=20 diff output, and none of it looks like it could be causing the=20 error to me. Rob From bogus@does.not.exist.com Thu Oct 26 18:16:52 2017 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 16:16:52 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: "PeXis offers Pre-employment Background Checks, Due Diligence, Fraud=20 Investigations, Surveillance, Marital Investigations, Asset Searches, Armed= =20 and Unarmed Guard Services, Undercover and Executive Protection Agents and= =20 Expert Witness testimony in all security related issues. " Are you sure I will find a X Server for Windows there ? :-) =20 --=20 Benoit Minisini mailto:gambas at ...1... From bogus@does.not.exist.com Thu Oct 26 18:16:52 2017 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 16:16:52 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: >avoid needing to compile all the gambas stuff (45' minutes in a >poweful PC) whenever a "make clean" is executed Oh, I don't know... My laptop's 3 years old and even Gambas 1.9.3 only=20 takes half an hour to compile.... on battery. On the workstation I=20 use at one of my client sites (a fairly powerful one but not top-end,=20 P4-2800) it takes about 12 minutes. I mean, I agree with you 1000% about needing to be able to make a=20 separate package with just the API-related stuff (I tried in the past=20 to make a gambas-devel package but ended up making a gambas-source=20 package instead) but I think having to distribute a gigantic source=20 RPM with every stand-alone component is a worse problem than compile=20 time. >We spent also a lot of time talking about the ideas that Beno=EEt & >Daniel had about the possibility of using Gambas as a web development >platform. The easiest taking off could be exporting gb.form to HTML + >CSS. Then, if XForms becomes standard that would be the way to=20 follow. I am working on a project for a client that involves recreating a very=20 large Access application as a set of CGI's. The client wants the=20 resulting web forms to resemble the Access forms as much as possible=20 (uggggh....) and in my quest to do this I started working on a Gambas=20 form to HTML+CSS translator, using absolute positioning, just so I=20 could use Gambas' form editor rather than NVU's awkward one or doing=20 everything by hand. I didn't realize anyone else would want to do=20 such a thing, but if anyone else cares, I can try to rewrite in=20 gambas2 (it's in perl now, of course), polish it up and post it. Rob From bogus@does.not.exist.com Thu Oct 26 18:16:52 2017 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 16:16:52 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: From bogus@does.not.exist.com Thu Oct 26 18:16:52 2017 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 16:16:52 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: mrt From bogus@does.not.exist.com Thu Oct 26 18:16:52 2017 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 16:16:52 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: mrt Even the smallest change should be visible in the name or in the archive a = subversion ID. =20 From bogus@does.not.exist.com Thu Oct 26 18:16:52 2017 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 16:16:52 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: > > This was pitty and makes things more complex. > > > > Is it possible to get a couple of function added to the columnview in > > later versions? > > Columnview1.item[number].key > > Columnview1.item[number].selected=3Dtrue/False > > > > or something similar? > > > > Regards Rohnny > > You can't have two keys for an item, only one. If you want a number to be= a > key, just use it as key. > > MyColumnView.Add(number, text, picture...) > > What is the problem with that? > > -- > Benoit Minisini How about next: with MyColumnView .left=3D10 .top=3D10 [0,2].text=3D"hello" 'This can not be done [3,2].text=3D"gambas" 'this also not .border=3Dborder.sunken end with with MyColumnView .left=3D10 .top=3D10 MyColumnView[0,2].text=3D"useless using with" MyColumnView[3,2].text=3D"more useless for with" .border=3Dborder.sunken end with with MyColumnView with [3,2] 'alternative .xxx .Text=3D"stupid way" .yyy end with end with With the .Item property you can do=20 with MyColumnView .left=3D10 .top=3D10 .item[0,2].text=3D"hello" .item[3,2].text=3D"gambas2" .item[3].SubItem[4].text=3D"gambas4" with .Item[3,1] .text=3D"how nice" end with with .Item[1] with .SubItem[5] .text=3DSuper" end with end with=09 .border=3Dborder.sunken end with The example Rohnny Stormo give was a bit wrong > > Columnview1.item[number].key > > Columnview1.item[number].selected=3Dtrue/False I think he means Columnview1.item[row,column] This should be then for control objects being accessed as array