From sourceforge-raindog2 at ...19...  Thu Oct  2 16:36:59 2003
From: sourceforge-raindog2 at ...19... (Rob)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:36:59 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-devel] Just a license question...
In-Reply-To: <1064860563.2054.7.camel@...49...>
References: <1064860563.2054.7.camel@...49...>
Message-ID: <200310021036.59007.sourceforge-raindog2@...19...>

On Monday 29 September 2003 14:36, Daniel Campos wrote:
>  Gambas is licensed under GPL, so it seems that no commercial
> "closed" program could be made with gambas, I mean, any Gambas
> program should be licensed under GPL, but by the other said, a
> program written in Gambas-Basic, is just interpreted by Gambas
> run-time, that is, it is not statically or dinamically linked
> with Gambas,instead, you run Gambas to make a program work: it
> is similar to Kaffe , you can run any java program, even it
> has a closed license.

We talked about this around the time I joined the list.  Gambas 
itself isn't what makes Gambas programs GPL; Qt is.

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#IfInterpreterIsGPL

I don't know what the mysql libs' license is but the same could 
apply to non-GUI Gambas programs that use mysql.

Rob




From danielcampos at ...45...  Wed Oct  8 17:09:39 2003
From: danielcampos at ...45... (Daniel Campos)
Date: 08 Oct 2003 17:09:39 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-devel] networking and xml
Message-ID: <1065625779.2062.4.camel@...49...>

Hi Beno?t (and company):

 By now, i'm writing a Serial Port class for networking component,
and I'm planning a XML class(es) fully based on libxml2, which has
a very friendly interface, and it's well tested. The question
is the following:

Networks and XML are very "mixed" today, so... should I create
a different component (may be Gambas XML) or should I mix these
new clasess into networking component?

Ideas, please...

Regards,  

-- 
Daniel Campos <danielcampos at ...45...>




From scott at ...77...  Wed Oct  8 10:27:07 2003
From: scott at ...77... (Scott D. Harrison)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 04:27:07 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-devel] XML Component
Message-ID: <200310080427.07089.scott@...77...>

Daniel,

I would keep the XML component separate from the networking component.  Users
can then combine the two components at a higher level (BASIC) to build
XML+Networking applications.

Also, since the libxml2 library is rather large, I would implement just the
dozen or so most frequently used functions to start with.  I think most
developers only use a small percentage of the libxml2 functions in their
projects.  You can then add more functions over time as needed.  This will
give Gambas users the ability to use a fairly robust XML component sooner
rather than later.  I suggest starting with the functions used in the libxml
tutorial by John Fleck:

http://xmlsoft.org/tutorial/

Let me know how I can help.

Scott

On Wednesday 08 October 2003 11:09 am, Daniel Campos wrote:
> Hi Beno?t (and company):
>
>  By now, i'm writing a Serial Port class for networking component,
> and I'm planning a XML class(es) fully based on libxml2, which has
> a very friendly interface, and it's well tested. The question
> is the following:
>
> Networks and XML are very "mixed" today, so... should I create
> a different component (may be Gambas XML) or should I mix these
> new clasess into networking component?
>
> Ideas, please...
>
> Regards,




From danielcampos at ...45...  Fri Oct 10 20:14:40 2003
From: danielcampos at ...45... (Daniel Campos)
Date: 10 Oct 2003 20:14:40 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-devel] Netwoking 0.0.10
Message-ID: <1065809680.4119.7.camel@...49...>

Hi All!

 This is the first version of networking component I send
to Gambas-User list. Previous versions were only on
devel list a they were pre-alpha. I would like to send
it to gambas-user to allow more people to test it and
begin to report bugs and ideas.

 In this package you will find information to compile and
use it, documentation (yes, alpha) and some examples to learn 
its use.

 This version includes the first step of a serial port 
class. It is very simple now, but you can test it with
your modem using "S1" example at DOC/examples (remember
to use parity "N" unless you have a special (and expensive
) modem with even parity). You'll be able to send some
simple commands like 'ATZ' or make it call a number 
(for instance ATD3453453453453, I hope this number does not
really exists: )

Warning: If you were using previous versions, remember to 
update your ".info" files!

Regards,

 
-- 
Daniel Campos <danielcampos at ...45...>
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From sourceforge-raindog2 at ...19...  Fri Oct 10 22:32:15 2003
From: sourceforge-raindog2 at ...19... (Rob)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:32:15 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-devel] Gambas future
In-Reply-To: <200309200935.39159.gambas@...20...>
References: <1064008026.6283.14.camel@...49...> <200309191819.26126.sourceforge-raindog2@...19...> <200309200935.39159.gambas@...20...>
Message-ID: <200310101632.15350.sourceforge-raindog2@...19...>

Made a few minor updates to the test wiki, I'm away this weekend 
so I won't get it done today I'm afraid.

On Saturday 20 September 2003 03:35, Benoit Minisini wrote:
> I think you should put this link on the main page of the wiki
> so that people see it.

Done...

> 1) You should put symbols in rows and not in columns.

I tried that, and found it very hard to read.  I compromised by 
making a second column for a given type of symbol when there are 
more than ten of them.

> 2) You should use a clearer image to show static symbol (I
> made a simple 'S' on the main wiki)

I copied yours over to the test wiki, thanks.

> 3) You should remove "(class)" after the title of a class. It
> is not useful, and you see "_(class)_" in the "ReferenceBy"

I did this in the *Export pages, but I'll need to reinstall 
Gambas 0.57 in order to rerun my original .help-based export 
which is where the _(class)_ references you see now are located.

Or maybe I'll just sed all the existing component docs in the 
test wiki, but I kinda hate to think I'll need to do that again 
when it's time to go live with the new component docs.

> 4) .Array is not a "child" class of "Application". See "gb
> core" doc.

None of the lists of components or classes are machine-generated 
yet, they're the same ones I originally started with (written by 
hand back in June.)  I do mean to export those too, but haven't 
got the code written yet.

> 5) Symbol inheritance don't work for Array classes.

Are they special-cased (i.e. can I skip including inherited 
symbols if they come from the Array class) or is this something 
I could run into with other things as well?

> 6) When a symbol has no page, you must create a void one.
> Example: Control.Id

Yeah, I'm generating all this offline and uploading a tarball of 
wiki pages.  I'll have to write a program eventually that 
locates orphaned *Export pages and creates a skeletal class or 
symbol page to include them.

Rob




From danielcampos at ...45...  Sat Oct 11 15:51:42 2003
From: danielcampos at ...45... (Daniel Campos)
Date: 11 Oct 2003 15:51:42 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-devel] A very extrange problem
Message-ID: <1065880302.18088.22.camel@...49...>

Hi Beno?t:

 I was trying to start the work with a xml component, so,
as I did with "networking" component, I took "example" component,
created a new folder called "xml", modified files and Makefiles,
and I began to create an XmlReader class.

 I compiled it and it went all OK, installed new component (OK),
and I began to create an example in Gambas.

 But the problem is that, when I try to execute that example
(a program with xml component referenced) the program fails
showing that message:

QPaintDevice: Must construct a QApplication before a QPaintDevice

 I though It was a problem trying to link libxml2, so I've created
an xml component without any reference to libxml2 (it really
 does nothing), to test if it was the problem. To my surprise, 
still the same message.

 I send you this void component, please tell me somethig as I don't
understand what can be the problem...

Gambas version : 0.70

Regards,

-- 
Daniel Campos <danielcampos at ...45...>
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From danielcampos at ...47...  Sat Oct 11 20:52:30 2003
From: danielcampos at ...47... (daniel)
Date: 11 Oct 2003 20:52:30 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-devel] A very extrange problem
In-Reply-To: <1065880302.18088.22.camel@...49...>
References: <1065880302.18088.22.camel@...49...>
Message-ID: <1065898350.2333.3.camel@...49...>

oops! now it works!

The only change was :

- Changing component name and folder to gbxml

May be gambas-runtime was in troubles due to the
similar names of libxml.so, libxml2.so and gb.xml.so?
That's the only thing I can imagine...

Well, Xml component is now in progress.


Regards,

Daniel Campos


El s?, 11-10-2003 a las 15:51, Daniel Campos escribi?:
> Hi Beno?t:
> 
>  I was trying to start the work with a xml component, so,
> as I did with "networking" component, I took "example" component,
> created a new folder called "xml", modified files and Makefiles,
> and I began to create an XmlReader class.
> 
>  I compiled it and it went all OK, installed new component (OK),
> and I began to create an example in Gambas.
> 
>  But the problem is that, when I try to execute that example
> (a program with xml component referenced) the program fails
> showing that message:
> 
> QPaintDevice: Must construct a QApplication before a QPaintDevice
> 
>  I though It was a problem trying to link libxml2, so I've created
> an xml component without any reference to libxml2 (it really
>  does nothing), to test if it was the problem. To my surprise, 
> still the same message.
> 
>  I send you this void component, please tell me somethig as I don't
> understand what can be the problem...
> 
> Gambas version : 0.70
> 
> Regards,




From Gambasfr at ...4...  Mon Oct 13 01:19:02 2003
From: Gambasfr at ...4... (Fabien Bodard)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 01:19:02 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-devel] About my first complete program in gambas !
Message-ID: <200310130119.02368.Gambasfr@...4...>

Hello all 

This is a first version of My gbIRC in Gambas! (0.0.1)

Not really Stable but a good exemple i think no ?

Fabien Bodard


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From danielcampos at ...45...  Mon Oct 13 20:46:09 2003
From: danielcampos at ...45... (Daniel Campos)
Date: 13 Oct 2003 20:46:09 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-devel] Networking 0.0.11
Message-ID: <1066070768.5813.5.camel@...49...>

Hi!

 Here's 0.0.11 release of Networking component.

 Now CSerialPort can handle common serial port
signals (DTR,CTS,CD, etc).

 Fabien : good job, it is stable enough to be a 0.0.1 version :)!
I'm very proud looking how this networking component can
help Gambas developement!

Regards,

-- 
Daniel Campos <danielcampos at ...45...>
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From danielcampos at ...47...  Mon Oct 13 22:20:17 2003
From: danielcampos at ...47... (daniel)
Date: 13 Oct 2003 22:20:17 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-devel] About my first complete program in gambas !
In-Reply-To: <200310130119.02368.Gambasfr@...4...>
References: <200310130119.02368.Gambasfr@...4...>
Message-ID: <1066076417.2390.6.camel@...49...>

Hello Fabien:

 I send you a patch for your program, allowing it to be
a little more "interactive" : that is, now, when ClientSocket
is trying to resolve host name, interface is stopped. I've
added a DnsClient in asynchronous mode, to do the "ugly work",
so with this patch, you can cancel connection even when
program is trying to resolve remote host to ip.

(I've commented my code between '<DCAMPOS> and '</DCAMPOS>' tags
to allow you search it quickly)

Regards,

Daniel Campos






El lun, 13-10-2003 a las 01:19, Fabien Bodard escribi?:
> Hello all 
> 
> This is a first version of My gbIRC in Gambas! (0.0.1)
> 
> Not really Stable but a good exemple i think no ?
> 
> Fabien Bodard

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From RudyF at ...78...  Wed Oct 15 01:23:10 2003
From: RudyF at ...78... (Rudy Fehren)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:23:10 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-devel] gambas can not compile under RH 8 and RH 9
Message-ID: <3F8C855E.5080507@...78...>

Hello from Germany,

please excuse my bad english !!! ,

today when I was in school, I went to our mailing list of the gambas-
users on the sourceforge server and had to read that reconcile gamba
users, considerable problems at the compiling of the version
0.70 B talk under the Linux Distrubitionen psyche that is version 8.0
and the newer version 9.0 has had or have.

These users wrote this for her described to the biggest part for gambas
compiling couldn't,
expressed differently this one orders . /configure and Make were the
order as a Root Su C "make install" partly went fault-freely executed
fault-freely even without Warning  of make.

You wanted to call as soon as gambas was missing cooked trifle went
more, she got an error message in the best case the missing told this
one to you then at Shell.

I have followed this Misterium, have talk has installed in the versions
8.0 and 9.0 on our school computers: ;)) and must now what the users
described states this all was correct.


Also the error message appeared of gambas this one for the end in the
call was completely identically with with it, the user (look up in the
mailing list as of September 2003 till October 2003).

I must say this I at home use psyche (RH8.0) myself and no faults
compile except for a warning shown get, but only unite warning note
Access unused and Internalization disabled now.

So I have my System by checked on the whole so well I noticed the following.
I go this for most users RedHat with the graphic one from this for
installation routine
installed have.

This is she only doesn't tie the QT libraries into the system correctly
actually either very well
the error message has closed also on this (who be a Mandrake well !!
calls own)
one rather didn't have influence on it either.
All KDE packages won't for some be missing installed either anyway there
these absolutely are necessary
runs so that gambas.

But thank God one can the problem get a grip on minimal effort.


/////////////////////////////////+++++\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

Solution 1:

One starts his system newly adjusts his disk drive to CD boats in the
Bios, then put the RH
Installalitions CD votes as soon as one the CD booting had and the
installation routine appears
Updating system and selecting packages quite importantly individually.

It simply only will confirm a couple of questions asked like Bootmanager
updated.

This then appears one can Selectionmenue be able to to show all Packets
here,
one chooses Programing and accepts all packages .  (inclusive of
language libraries etc. ).

Man CSPAN then simply chooses the complete sparkle package select everything

Then one chooses desktop KDE and looks whether all Packete are installed
(these aren't the n?mlich; -)) !!)

There is still every lot of system libraries the standards isn't
installed, also here simply everything selects.

The data banks still look the good end whether My-Sql installs packages
(inkls server) select to were, the sparkle Bindings are importantly
simply also everything best here: (((.

Ca ever amounts the totaly of the update to 500 MByte or 750 after what
is missing.

One forces the Packetmanager to feed and to dissolve the Nistakes newly
and the system  with that.

It is, so beautifully is also the RedHat package manager a disadvantage
had also the only opportunity to keep the installation individual he
doesn't see all packages these under the Dektop man installed are also be
Not shown Nistakes therefore.

So after this is come through and the installation finished lasts
approximately no open update click
half till 1 hour ever after (what kind of computer what kind of Packets
and so on.)

Don't forget to update the Bootloader and case store diskette drive on
diskette availably.

We start our RedHat with the new Packets as now can.
Has absolutely at Shell as Root log in it started after this
then and then simply only find without no preffix enter Su- enter.

Then becomes the system fed now newly similarly under Windows 98 as sc

We then complete Shell with Exit and log off.

After this we then apply at the system as a normal user.

Starting our Session and being able to compile and install  after the
gambas 0.70b quite normally
it should run.

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////////////////////////////////////+++++\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

Solution 2:

It is that one of the KPackage standards the more polished solution for
God so in my opinion unfortunately
you not install with RedHat and even under the Suse rather one had
preferred it there?
these don't offer any solution trial for an individual installation,
though (M of $ lets greetings) properit?e solutions to use the
"Packetmanager" of one's own like the "YaST 2" or under RH.

But one can this remedy one downloads either the Kpackage as RPM packs
down too receivedly
under http://www.rpmseek.com or in Germany under
http://www.easylinux.de/Download/ down from the download side there.

Either we still install him for okay with YaST 2 under the Suse after we
have drawn him or
still with the Packetnanager under RH (we don't need these tools soon
any more).

Or else with the Shell rpm -i  "kpackgage-????"(version number)

We notify this of each other as of and after so after this had opened
at, again this procedure had
standardm?sig isn't the Kpackge the following background in the start strip.

We click under SuSE on the start strip /System/configuration/KPackage in
the K Menue so now
we find this entry there.

We find him under  /Extras/system tools/ under RedHat 8.0
We find him under RedHat 9.0 under /Systemtools/otherSystemtools/KPackage.

First we push F5 around the RPM database newly as now can we start KPackage
we will for everything be astonished to feed of gambas what is so
missing to the business what is necessary.

MySQL sparkle, the complete KDE package, inclusive of Bindings,
therefore absolutely necessarily under RedHat,

SDL is importantly and absolutely advisably also KDevelop, inclusive of
all Bindings desweiteren of the QT designers

It is advisable to install KDevelop also, a set-up also admits the QT
designer to this in the Startmenue
gambas starts and to konfugurieren everything before you compile.

For our needs we adjust this one back to KPackage but now:

Item 1: we open the dialog to this about attitudes/establish Kpackage

Item 2: clicking in the register card types in the category RPM on the
button loft place of Packets

Item 3: Here one can  many places freely define  of also the CDROM disk
drive but later more

Packages are missing we make use of the installation CDs it has
therefore goes to the item 4 there we now know this of talk

Item 4: Either we mounted of the CDROM double-click  disk drive  on the
CDROM icon on this
Desktop, or mounted cdrom adhere by Shell: or else mnt /dev/cdrom ever
after we have what for a Linux.

Item 5 : We still can alternatively make a Folder as / describe and it
and  /inst/  this Folder to mounted and the RPMS of the installation CDS
then copy there or the CDROMS also had at once the whole contents for
the advantage for it the access is faster.

Item 6 : We inform about KPackage now like in it   either so item 3
described this place for it for CDROM
Disk drive or else the new Folder

Item 7: We push "F5"  now the following KPackage includes this new
Packets in his database passed with on it and updates himself.

Item 8: We can present install missing Packets  individually  and also
this one  with KPackage
Dissolving .

Item 9: one can install also many packages on-one time so

We cancel off and at once so after again this all is come through and
the system is updated
as Root though.

We start a Shell and type one "find" without an addition the system is
fed newly, we then end the Sssion with "Exit".

So then we cancel and the same as a normal user at the system?

We can for it start our normal Sssion and gamba kompileren and install,
now mssre run


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Reason for the problems under RedHat is a configuration, talk
there has the main emphasis on gnomes and KDE doesn't put desweiteren of
also therefore Gtk and Qt Toolkit doesn't give the advantage.

I hope gambas to the compile I could help that is with me and one could
on the two test computers and execute.

Many Wishes Rudy: -))






From RudyF at ...78...  Wed Oct 15 23:44:55 2003
From: RudyF at ...78... (Rudy Fehren)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:44:55 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-devel] Gambas can not compile under Red Hat 8.0 and 9.0 second part
Message-ID: <3F8DBFD7.1030105@...78...>

Hello from Germany,

**************************************************************************************************
I ask my English not really the good one for bad luck is again there,
I have translated the text once again since in the original text every
crowd found translation faults has.


For this I hereby apologize to and promise recovery

***************************************************************************************************


Now to the e-mail of 14.10.2003

today when I was in school I went to our mailing list of the gambas user
on the sourceforge server and Linux Distrubitionen psyche that is
version 8.0 and the newer version 9.0 had to read that reconcile gambas
users, considerable problems at the compiling of the version 0.70 B
under the talk has had or have.

These users described this for gambas to the biggest part she couldn't
compile,expressed differently for the orders /configure and Make were
partly executed fault-freely even without warnings. The order as a Root
Su C "Make install" also went fault-freely of make.


You wanted as soon as then at Shell nothing at all went more, these got
an error message in the best case gambas told this one to you that
something was missing to call.

I have followed this phenomenon, have talk has installed in the versions
8.0 and 9.0 on our school computers; )) and must now what the users
described states this all was correct.

This one appeared for the end in the call of gambas of Shell, also
the error message it was (to look up in the mailing list from September
2003 till October 2003) completely identically with the error message of
the users.

I must say this I at home use psyche (RH 8.0) myself and no faults
compile except for a warning shown get, but only unite warning note
Access unused and Internalization disabled now.

So I have my system by checked on the whole so well I noticed the following.

I go most users RedHat from this from this with the graphic installation
routine installed have.


This is they only doesn't tie the QT libraries into the system correctly
actually either very well,one rather doesn't have real influence on it
either.


The error message of the users also suggests it.

All KDE packages won't for some be missing installed either anyway there
these absolutely are necessary runs so that gambas.



But thank God one can get a grip on the problem with a little effort.



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Solution trial 1:

One starts his system newly adjusts his disk drive to CD boats in the
Bios, then put the RH Instalations CD as soon as
the CD  booting has and the installation
routine appears and one votes

Updating system and selecting packages quite importantly individually.

It simply only will update a couple of questions asked like Bootmanager
confirm.

This then appears one can selection menu be able to to show all packages
here,

Elects now program and accepts all packages. inclusive of language
libraries etc. (. )

Then CSPAN therefore the complete perl package simply select everything.

Now GUI, desktop, selecting KDE and looking whether all packages are
installed.

As a standard these are everyone "absolutely doesn't therefore select
all KDE packages installed now".

There still is every crowd these aren't installed, also here everything
simply select for system libraries, too.

The data banks still look the good end installed whether My-SQL packages
to (inclusive) the Serverpackges was,
also the Perl Bindings to this is here importantly simply everything
best as had, select

The complete size of the update ever then amounts between 500 MByte or
750 MByte(ore more) after what is missing.

Due to this method one forces the package manager to feed and to
dissolve the relationships newly and therefore to adapt the system now.


It is also the only opportunity to design the installation individual.


He so simply is also the RedHat package manager, has a great
disadvantage,it everyone isn't these are or else necessarily
are shown to package installed,and dependences therefore aren't resolved.

Update open so after this is come through click and complete the
installation,approximately a half ever lasts now till 1 hour after (what
kind of computer, what kind of packages and so on.)


Don't forget to update the Bootloader and case store diskette drive on
diskette availably.


We can our RedHat with the necessary packages for gambas start so now.

Has one should certainly log in at Shell as Root it started after this.

Now Su- enters (as users) and then simply only find without something enter.

Through this is like system fed newly like sc under Windows 98

We then complete Shell with Exit and log off.

After this we then apply at the system as a normal user.


Our Session start and gamba 0.70 can quite normally compile and install
B now it should must be run.



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/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////


Solution 2:

Opinion a little improves this one for solution after mine now.
It is unfortunately God, that one of the KPackage managers default with
RedHat 8.0 and 9.0 and so you don't install co-even under the Suse.


Specific solutions like the "YaST 2" have rather no "it was preferred ", or.

These don't offer RedHat to use the "Paketinstaller" of their own,
though,any solution trial for an individual installation

  (exactly as in the case of Microsoft).

But one can this remedy one downloads the KPackage as RPM packs down.

Get under http://www.rpmseek.com or in Germany under
http://www.easylinux.de/Download/


Either we still install him for okay with YaST 2 under the Suse after we
have downloaded him or still with the Paketinstaller under RH-8.0 / RH-9.0.

  (we don't need these tools soon any more).


Or else alternatively with the Shell rpm I "kpackgage-????"(Version number)


We notify this of each other as of and after so after this has opened
at, again this procedure has background the Kpackage
isn't tied in the start strip (K Menue) yet following.


We click under SuSE on the start strip (K Menue) so now
We find this entry /System/configuration/KPackage there.

We find him under  /Extras/system tools/ under RedHat 8.0
We find him under RedHat 9.0 under /Systemtools/further system
tools/KPackage.


First we push F5 around the RPM database newly as now can we start KPackage

we will for everything be astonished to feed of gambas what is so
missing to the business what is necessary.

*******************************************************************************

Therefore absolutely necessarily under RedHat version 8.0 and 9.0:

*******************************************************************************
*
* system libaries,
* perl completely including Bindings
* MySQL,server package  inclusive of Bindings,
* KDE package complete inclusive of Bindings,
* SDL complete inclusive of Devel packages,
* and absolutely advisably KDevelop, inclusive of all Bindings
* the complete QT package, inclusive of Bindings,inclusive Devel package
*
*******************************************************************************


It is advisable to install KDevelop also, there is a set-up in the K
menu to this.
The QT designer asks before then to start and to configure everything
before,too gambas is compiled.



For our needs we adjust this one back to KPackage but now:

Item 1: we open the attitude dialog to this about attitudes/establish
Kpackage

Item 2: clicking in the register card types in the category RPM on the
button loft place of packages.

Item 3: One can define several places freely like the CDROM disk drive
of however late more here

Packages are missing we make use of the installation CDs it has
therefore goes to the item 4 there we now know this of talk

Item 4: Either we mounten of the CDROM double-click  disk drive  on the
CDROM icon on this
Desktop, or mount cdrom adhere by Shell: or else mnt /dev/cdrom ever
after we have what for a Linux.

Item 5: We still can alternatively prepare a Folder and as / describe
and then these /inst Folder to mount and the RPM-Packete of the
installation CDROMS copy there or the CDROMS also has at once the whole
contents for the advantage for it the access is faster.

Item 6: We inform about KPackage now like in it   either so item 3
described this place for the CDROM disk drive or else the new folder
for /inst /

Item 7: We push "F5"  now the following happens this takes new packages
away from KPackage in his database with on and updates himself.

Item 8: We can present install missing packages individually  and also
this one  with KPackage Resolving dependences.

Item 9: one can install also many packages so suddenly


We apply off and at once so after as Root again this all is come through
and the system is updated, though.

We start a Shell and type one "find" without an addition the system is
fed newly, we then end the Session with "Exit".

So then we cancel and the same as a normal user at the system?

We can and gamba start our normal Session compiles and installs, it must
run now


/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////


**************************************************************************************

A changed configuration (BlueCurve) is, reason for the problems under
RedHat talk there (Vers.8.0 and 9.0) and also therefore Gtk has the main
emphasis on gnomes and doesn't put KDE
and Qt Toolkit doesn't give the advantage.

The specific installations also cause these problems for one on the real
one there Installation has no more influence and be not set to
relationships of the libraries correctly.

Is say to relieve the user anyway, if it is also on one side of
advantage,all the bigger the problems get this after this.

Everything shouldn't be taken of the Microsoft and the BlueCurve
philosophy also causes for the good end only problems,these have to do
also immediate consequences gambas.

Since company specific solutions (RedHat) aren't actually useful (to SuSE).

**************************************************************************************



I hope gambas I could help that is with me and one could on the two test
computers compile and execute after this.

Best Wishes  Rudy  :-))











From danielcampos at ...45...  Thu Oct 16 17:29:36 2003
From: danielcampos at ...45... (Daniel Campos)
Date: 16 Oct 2003 17:29:36 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-devel] Networking 0.0.12
Message-ID: <1066318176.2243.23.camel@...49...>

Hello:

 Here's a new release of networking component:

--> I've finished Serial Port class interface, and i've also improved
ClientSocket class:

--> Previous versions could handle a maximun size of 1024 bytes
when receiving data, now , memory is allocated dinamically in the
range 1-65536 bytes, so bigger packets can be received at once.
This is valid also for serial port method "GetData"

--> Documentation and examples updated

 Next step will be finish ServerSocket class, and then, a 0.1.0 version,
in which I will make no more changes except bug fixes, as I think
all basic networking tasks are covered with this component. I have
to work now on XML component, and after that, more networking component
work.

By the way, Beno?t , I don't want to be famous :), but I would like
to have a place in "Hall of Fame" as Networking (and may be XML)
programmer as i'd like to let people contact with me to talk about
these components. If you want a brief description of me:

--> Daniel Campos Fern?ndez, 29 years old.
--> Spain, living at Madrid, but I hate big towns.
--> I began "BASIC" programming with a ZX-81 (yes, Spectrum didn't
exists at this time), when I was 9 years old. Then my brother bought a
MSX from sony, in which I began to learn Assembler (Z-80). My first PC
was a gift from my parents, a PC-1512 from Amstrad (512Kb, 8086 cpu,
what a montster!). I began to learn C and C++ (a compiler from Borland
in two 5 1/4 disks, that I had to switch continuosly as PC had no hard
drive)
--> Currently i'm a programmer working with C, C++, Visual Basic, Linux,
Windows, FreePascal, Delphi, C# and all the stuff that costumers can
imagine.
--> Main characteristic : I love imagine how could I make work complex
things in languages that, like Visual Basic, are supposed to be poor and
simple. I love my girlfriend, Montse, too.


Regards,

 
-- 
Daniel Campos <danielcampos at ...45...>
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From danielcampos at ...45...  Sat Oct 25 22:52:03 2003
From: danielcampos at ...45... (Daniel Campos)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 22:52:03 +0200
Subject: [Gambas-devel] networking 0.0.13
Message-ID: <1067115122.2589.5.camel@...49...>

Hi!

 Here's 0.0.13 release of networking component. ClientSocket now
uses internally a DnsClient object to translate Host Name to IP,
asynchronously, so, you will be stopped no more while ClientSocket
was performing this operation.

 Now "SocketError" event returns an error code to allow you know
what has been the problem.
 
 There's a new event "HostFound", that raises when host name has
been successfully translated to IP, providing a more interactive
interface.

 Remember to update you projects if you were using this class, as
this little changes can make your program fail if you do not
adapt it.

 Documentation and G1 example have been updated to reflect these
changes.

Regards, 
 
-- 
Daniel Campos <danielcampos at ...45...>
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From danielcampos at ...45...  Mon Oct 27 22:21:15 2003
From: danielcampos at ...45... (Daniel Campos)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:21:15 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-devel] About Watching and Wait()
Message-ID: <1067289675.3944.23.camel@...49...>

Hello Beno?t (and company):

 I was trying to create a little program using my "networking"
component, but without using "QT" component. I could see that watching
process was not working at all, and then I saw at Gambas Wiki that
Wait() works only if "QT" component is present. The code is very simple:

...
Socket.ConnectSocket("localhost",7)
While Socket.Status <> 7  ' while connection is not completed
	Wait (0.1)
	Print "Connecting..."
Loop
...

Using this code, with QT all works OK, without QT loop never ends,
as networking needs callbacks provided by GB.Watch().

So I tried to use hooks in main file. Watch hook seems to do nothing
(I don't know if it is really implemented), but then I used Wait hook,
and calling "by hand" to the methods I use to control socket status
all worked fine.

 However, I have a question : It seems that gambas runtime only calls
my Wait function when QT is not used in the program, so if in
the future another component is using a watch hook, and gambas runtime
decides to use the other's watch hook instead of mine, network component
could not work at all... It sound like incompatible components in
gambas!

 Please tell me something about this as I don't understand it very well,
I would like to make work with networking possible even if there's
not any graphic library installed.

Regards,
  
-- 
Daniel Campos <danielcampos at ...45...>




From gambas at ...20...  Mon Oct 27 23:04:25 2003
From: gambas at ...20... (Benoit Minisini)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:04:25 +0100
Subject: [Gambas-devel] About Watching and Wait()
In-Reply-To: <1067289675.3944.23.camel@...49...>
References: <1067289675.3944.23.camel@...49...>
Message-ID: <200310272259.23550.gambas@...20...>

Le Lundi 27 Octobre 2003 22:21, Daniel Campos a ?crit :
> Hello Beno?t (and company):
>
>  I was trying to create a little program using my "networking"
> component, but without using "QT" component. I could see that watching
> process was not working at all, and then I saw at Gambas Wiki that
> Wait() works only if "QT" component is present. The code is very simple:
>
> ...
> Socket.ConnectSocket("localhost",7)
> While Socket.Status <> 7  ' while connection is not completed
> 	Wait (0.1)
> 	Print "Connecting..."
> Loop
> ...
>
> Using this code, with QT all works OK, without QT loop never ends,
> as networking needs callbacks provided by GB.Watch().
>
> So I tried to use hooks in main file. Watch hook seems to do nothing
> (I don't know if it is really implemented), but then I used Wait hook,
> and calling "by hand" to the methods I use to control socket status
> all worked fine.
>
>  However, I have a question : It seems that gambas runtime only calls
> my Wait function when QT is not used in the program, so if in
> the future another component is using a watch hook, and gambas runtime
> decides to use the other's watch hook instead of mine, network component
> could not work at all... It sound like incompatible components in
> gambas!
>
>  Please tell me something about this as I don't understand it very well,
> I would like to make work with networking possible even if there's
> not any graphic library installed.
>
> Regards,

The aim of the WATCH hook is to watch file descriptor by calling select().

In a GUI library like QT, the event loop is in fact a select() that watch the 
file descriptor that points to the X11 socket.

In the Gambas QT component, the WATCH hook simply asks QT to watch other file 
descriptors.

The interpreter should already have a select() loop in its own WATCH hook, but 
as a lazy man, I didn't implement it yet ! Mmmm... It might be urgent, now 
:-)

The aim of the WAIT hook is to wait a specified time by calling the WATCH 
hook.

In the QT component, this is simply done by using a Qt timer. These Qt timers 
are internally managed by using the 'timeout' parameter of select().

I must implement the same thing in the interpreter, so that you can watch file 
descriptors AND call the WAIT instruction without using the QT component.

I will do that as soon as possible, so that it is in the next version.

Only ONE component can implement the event loop, i.e. the watch and the wait 
hooks. So the last loaded component implementing them wins.

This event loop is the ONLY one function that can block the interpreter by 
calling select(). So your networking component, for example, must not call 
accept() directly for example. It must instead watch the socket file 
descriptor by calling GB.Watch(), return to the event loop, and call accept() 
at the beginning of the watch callback.

It seems that you already did the good thing in your code :-)

But I see that you raised an event into a callback : never do that ! Because 
it can lead to infinite loops. The event can call a gambas event handler that 
may return raise the same callback. You must use instead GB.Post() to post a 
function that will be call at the return of the event loop.

Was I clear ?

Regards,

-- 
Benoit Minisini
mailto:gambas at ...1...


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From sourceforge-raindog2 at ...19...  Tue Oct 28 23:43:14 2003
From: sourceforge-raindog2 at ...19... (Rob)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:43:14 -0400
Subject: [Gambas-devel] About Watching and Wait()
In-Reply-To: <200310272259.23550.gambas@...20...>
References: <1067289675.3944.23.camel@...49...> <200310272259.23550.gambas@...20...>
Message-ID: <200310281743.14270.sourceforge-raindog2@...19...>

On Monday 27 October 2003 17:04, Benoit Minisini wrote:
> I must implement the same thing in the interpreter, so that
> you can watch file descriptors AND call the WAIT instruction
> without using the QT component.

Does this tie into the ability to go

SHELL "somecommand" WAIT

and still get output back without having to redirect output to a 
temp file and File.Load it?

I'm looking for something like the backtick operator in other 
Unix interpreted languages.... e.g. perl :)

By the way, I finally uploaded Gambas to Mandrake Cooker contrib 
today.... so, maybe it'll be in contrib for the next Mandrake :)

Rob




From danielcampos at ...45...  Wed Oct 29 09:34:47 2003
From: danielcampos at ...45... (danielcampos at ...45...)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:34:47 CET
Subject: [Gambas-devel] About Watching and Wait()
Message-ID: <mnet1.1067416487.338.danielcampos@...45...>

>I must implement the same thing in the interpreter, so that you can watch file  
>descriptors AND call the WAIT instruction without using the QT component. 
> 
>I will do that as soon as possible, so that it is in the next version. 
--------------------------------- 
OK, l'll "Wait" a little :) 
------------------------------------ 
 
>Only ONE component can implement the event loop, i.e. the watch and the wait  
>hooks. So the last loaded component implementing them wins. 
> 
>This event loop is the ONLY one function that can block the interpreter by  
>calling select(). So your networking component, for example, must not call  
>accept() directly for example. It must instead watch the socket file  
>descriptor by calling GB.Watch(), return to the event loop, and call accept()  
>at the beginning of the watch callback. 
> 
>It seems that you already did the good thing in your code :-) 
> 
>But I see that you raised an event into a callback : never do that ! Because  
>it can lead to infinite loops. The event can call a gambas event handler that  
>may return raise the same callback. You must use instead GB.Post() to post a  
>function that will be call at the return of the event loop. 
------------------------------------ 
I'll implement it on next version on "networking" component. 
 
Thanks for you reply! 
 
Regards, 
 
Daniel Campos 
 

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From wizardmansite at ...7...  Fri Oct 31 09:31:17 2003
From: wizardmansite at ...7... (Devilyn)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:31:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Gambas-devel] SDL Component
Message-ID: <20031031083117.56437.qmail@...15...>

Hello,
Just wondering how things are going on the SDL
Component as far as playing MIDI and WAV files.. I am
the guy with plans to program a RPG game.. I know it
will take a long time and a lot of work but I am ready
for it. Also I noticed some messages about internet
apps.. Will it be possible to make a internet playable
game with SDL? 
               Devilyn


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From danielcampos at ...47...  Fri Oct 31 20:50:16 2003
From: danielcampos at ...47... (daniel)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:50:16 +0000
Subject: [Gambas-devel] SDL Component
In-Reply-To: <20031031083117.56437.qmail@...15...>
References: <20031031083117.56437.qmail@...15...>
Message-ID: <1067629816.2240.5.camel@...49...>

El vie, 31-10-2003 a las 08:31, Devilyn escribi?:
> . Also I noticed some messages about internet
> apps.. Will it be possible to make a internet playable
> game with SDL? 

Yes, it will be possible. I'm writing a network
component since september, and in few time there will
be a stable version, may be next month it will be part
of the official distribution (at least If I can continue working
one hour at day on it, like now).

Regards,

Daniel Campos
>                Devilyn
> 
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