Re: gambas very simple updater

[Bruce Steers <bsteers4@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 at 19:19, Jorge Carrión <shordi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hey BruceS,
>
> I think you overestimate the ability of the average office user... at
> least those here, in Spain.
>
> An example: A few years ago I made a crash ticket program for my users on
> their computers. You opened the program (which was in the system menus),
> you pressed print screen, with the error message visible, and you pressed
> send. If necessary, you described in a text what you were doing when the
> error message appeared.
>
> It was installed on all machines, they were sent graphic and clear
> instructions, including a video tutorial...
>
> They used it for a month. The text was always "I got this error" and
> since that generated phone calls asking for explanations, they stopped
> using it.
> Instead, what they did was take a photo of the screen with their phones,
> and send it to me via WhatsApp with a voice message attached... which
> generated dozens of stupid voice messages and an absolute waste of time.
>
> I read, I don't know where a long time ago, "It is useless to program for
> stupid people because stupid people do very intelligent things..."
>
> In the case we are talking about, just telling them "Download the source,
> place this file there, open the console and run it..." would require 6
> months of study.
>
> Sorry for the noise. Retired old man things...
>
> Best regards
>
Haha , don't be so sorry, i laughed a lot reading that :D

I know exactly what you mean  :)
People like us know everything people like that need to know about
computers ;)

I think it's a big issue though for us all, especially those here.
Mostly everybody here has moved away from their os provided gambas version
and updated at least to stable branch.
It's always been a problem for me as it means I am now making software that
so many people will never use it because updating gambas is beyond them.
(I try to stay compatible down to 3.17 but it's a pain doing that)

I think the IDE needs a working built-in online updater.

So upgrading gambas is as simple as updating the help , click a button,
wait a while.....

Respects
BruceS



>
El sáb, 6 abr 2024 a las 17:14, Bruce Steers (<bsteers4@xxxxxxxxx>)
> escribió:
>
>>
>>
>> https://gitlab.com/bsteers4/gambas/-/blob/bruces-patched/Install_Gambas.sh?ref_type=heads
>>
>> Remember that all bells and whistles installer script i made?
>>
>> well i just made a very, very simple one.  only 120 lines, about as
>> simple as i could get it. it probably needs to be a bit less simple with
>> some error handling and stuff.
>>
>> it does no detection and no downloading.
>> It must be run from a gambas source folder
>> (I have placed it in my fork and just used it on neon6 VM and it's
>> working just as expected)
>>
>> it does the following...
>>
>> * Asks if you want to "run" the install commands or just show them.
>> (just showing is good for testing it looks okay first)
>>
>> * Then asks you to select your os from the .gitlab-ci.yml file build list.
>>
>> * Then it will either print the commands you need to upgrade to autotools
>> compiled version or run them all for you.
>>
>> If installing it pauses before running make install to warn to be sure
>> packager installed gambas is removed before the next step.
>>
>> Maybe we could work on something like this to include in the main source
>> to make the old "upgrading is too complicated for some" rhetoric obsolete ?
>> :)
>>
>>
>> Respects
>> BruceS
>>
>>
>>