Re: openSUSE build service : packages should work now

[Dimitris Anogiatis <dosida@xxxxxxxxx>]

With all due respect, if you haven't used Gambas for a while then you might
not have seen that the language is evolving. Perhaps it does not have the
enterprise features that you require but it does pretty well on most F/LOSS
DBMS systems. The proprietary enterprise DBMS systems you might require
work on might not be available in GNU/Linux unless you would like to take a
crack at the development of a driver or bridge software that can do what
you want it to. We would certainly welcome any F/LOSS software that might
help with that task (BTW Which enterprise DBMS systems are you referring to
cause I'm not entirely clear on that)

If many projects are upstream ruled, and you think Gambas is such a project
then perhaps it might be a good idea for whoever is maintaining the
packages for Debian to actually communicate with either Benoit or any of
the other contributors to resolve whatever issues there are and coordinate
on how the Debian packages arriving in Sid, then testing and finally
landing on Debian stable, do not cause issues when a dist-upgrade is
performed.

This is clearly a miscommunication issue that can be resolved very easily.
No finger pointing is necessary, or getting mad at people who are trying to
incrementally improve and make it easy for any contributions,security fixes
and new features to get from upstream as fast as possible to distributions.

So if there is a way out of this situation that would be for you to nudge
the Debian maintainer for the Gambas3 packages and tell him "Hey, I've
talked to the upstream devs and they can help out with sorting out whatever
issues you may have with packaging Gambas3 in Debian. They also have their
own OBS repository, that you could also check and see if it meets the
Debian packaging guidelines and perhaps exchange ideas on how to make the
process easier to move source code packages and binary packages from their
upstream to Salsa without too many modifications."

Anything sort of that will  just be very unproductive. If you want to help
the project instead of just complaining this is the way to go. And while
you're considering this proposed solution, perhaps you should also thank
these guys cause they are doing a pretty awesome job, especially for a
programming language... you don't use, cause you consider it... not trendy
and behind the times (I wonder what your criteria is for such a judgement).

Respectfully,
Dimitrios



On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 8:16 PM PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> Greetings, I haven't used Gambas for a while, because it doesn't support
> many mayor leage or enterprise-grade databases (ODBC is still very bad and
> it's been 3 years)
>
> Its clear you guys are lost in time: Currently many packages in debian are
> upstream ruled, means that packaging rules comes from original developers
> of the software.. first happened with LXDE packages and now many more.. is
> the only distro with this great feature
>
> The OBS package is functional for installation, but in a dist upgrade it
> breaks everything..
>
> This is because you guys don't try (for eons) to coordinate and follow the
> Debian oficial package on salsa, which I know doesn't comply with Gambas'
> regulations, but they will avoid problems in OBS if they do this... you
> guys can't win everything, sometimes you have to give a bit
>
> OBS is really a system of equivalences between RPM packages and other
> Linux systems, and therefore if you don't follow the distro policies you
> could generate confusing packages..
>
> My Gambas packages were always generated in OBS... by the way... I always
> coordinated them with the Debian ones...
>
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 9:45 AM Benoît Minisini <
> benoit.minisini@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think I have fixed the packaging.
>>
>> I just installed the Gambas IDE on a Linux Mint 21 / Cinnamon, and it
>> worked!
>>
>> Please tell me the result for you...
>>
>>
>> https://software.opensuse.org//download.html?project=home%3Agambas%3Amaster&package=gambas3
>>
>> --
>> Benoît Minisini.
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
>